What will happen once the American middle class disappears?
Good for the economy.
More money for rich people, more Jobs for all
>>55432184
The welfare state will be solidified.
Currently, 50 percent of Americans don't pay taxes. In order to keep funding programs and government spending, the government will be forced to tax the highest earners.
The highest earners current pay 85 percent of the taxes. With the imminent event of more taxation, the highest earners in America will pack their bags an leave, leaving the economy to fend for itself.
When the top earners leave the country, our dollar will be worthless. When the dollar becomes worthless, people start to go hungry.
The poor will vote for more govt assistance, creating a perpetual state of debt and we will default.
Welcome to the welfare state.
>>55432311
Reminds me on an Ayn Rand book.
>>55432360
Never read anything by Ayn Rand. You don't need to to understand how fucked this situation is. America is plagued by a population that has been conditioned to only be motivated by things that give them instant gratification.
The worst part of this is that it seems utterly hopeless. Voting democrat or republican won't matter when the people have lost sight of their values.
The only way to combat this degeneration is to get politically motivated and vote on a public level, but this is near impossible because:
1. Young people are conditioned to live an individualistic lifestyle.
2. 50 percent of the population will inevitably vote for more uncontrolled spending.
>>55432184
the jews are gonna bury their sheckels and watch as 200 million white people clamour for survival killing each other.
>>55432184
middle class is just a meme for americans to pretend most of them aren't filthy rich compared to everybody else anyway
>>55432744
Hopefully we can look past race or religion in the upcoming default. The worst thing we can do in that situation is point fingers and shift the blame. That won't solve any problems.
What would give the majority the highest chance of surviving would be to educate people on how to be self sufficient and to be friendly to your neighbors.
There is a culture arising in this country that shuns neighbors and creates hatred and fear towards one another. When shit hits the fan, it will hurt to be all alone. We need to learn to communicate and be friendly towards one another. Neighbors need to stick together and learn how to farm and be self sufficient.
>>55432744
>giving me a huge hard on
Thanks for the boner, one can dream :)
>>55432915
>We need to learn to communicate and be friendly towards one another.
We did that for thousands of years in our communities in America and Europe.
It's a completely new phenomenon that people are so toxic to each other.
Killing niggers is probably just an added bonus of the civil war. If you're really worried then get some farmland out in buttfuck nowhere and an AR15.
If Europe does not have a nationalist revolution and a civil war by 2026-2030 I will abandon ship and come to America to see if the struggle for the white race can be continued there, however I believe that going to the Baltic will be even safer than that.
>>55432982
>We did that for thousands of years in our communities in America and Europe.
I can't figure out what the reason for this is. I want to say that it is a product of our increasingly individualistic society, but I feel that that alone does not explain it.
>Killing niggers is probably just an added bonus of the civil war.
I would prefer not to kill anyone. The struggle will not discriminate between races, and violence will only cause harm. In a SHTF scenario killing others should be limited to self denseness of the acquiring of essential resources.
Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate niggers and jews, but I would rather seek a peaceful relationship rather than a violent one.
> If you're really worried then get some farmland out in buttfuck nowhere and an AR15.
There's not much farmland in NJ, but I'm definitely getting something bigger than a .22.
>If Europe does not have a nationalist revolution and a civil war by 2026-2030 I will abandon ship and come to America to see if the struggle for the white race can be continued there.
You're welcome with open arms brother. I ask only that you exercise your first and second amendment rights frequently when you get here.
>>55432184
The middle class brought this on themselves by voting against the poor. Now it's their turn to be poor.
>>55433219
No, the middle class brought this upon themselves by voting for more government spending and programs. Why do you think the middle class is disappearing? It's because the middle class has to foot the bill for fucking everything, because no one else pays taxes in this country.
>>55433167
Of course it is engineered. Who wants to destroy the cohesion and homogeneity of white people?
It's the hook nosed merchants.
> getting something bigger than a .22
As a European I really only know about "military weapons" so shit seen in video games, I'm not too up to speed on what you can get as a civilian in America but it does feel like you can get nearly everything. A .22 sounds fine (and is better than any sort of manual weapon mind you) but I want to remember seeing an AR15 rifle that was chambered in 7.62 and that's probably a world better than a 5.56.
>I ask only that you exercise your first and second amendment rights frequently when you get here.
Given Austria's colorful free speech laws if anyone can pin my internet persona onto my real name I am in prison for 500-600 years.
As for second amendment rights, that's probably a big pull factor here. Austria is actually relatively relaxed: I can go to the gun store and request purchase of a long rifled bolt action .22 at any point in time (there is a 3 day waiting period to keep angry people from doing rash things) and if the authorities can agree that my home is "safe for storing guns" e.g. I have a working door lock + there is a gun safe with a solid lock on it then it's all mine.
You need a weapon license here to get anything semi-automatic (pistols are unfortunately in this category, but I don't think certain revolvers are). It's more bureaucracy and regulatory garbage than anything else. Automatic weapons and sadly pump-action shotguns (curiously repeater shotguns aren't banned) are all banned and classified as military material.
My biggest want is a Mossberg 590 or similar pump action shotgun as it more or less solves any problems in a given direction.
>>55432184
Mexico.
Padrones and peones.
That's the plan.
The real basis for amnesty.
>>55433352
The gun laws here in New Jersey are pretty strict, but from what you say not as strict as Austria. Here are the steps.
You have to go to your local police department and as for the gun purchaser forms. Included with the forms are forms for a 3rd party fingerprinting appointment and a background and mental health screening. After getting fingerprinted, you are allowed to hand in your gun purchaser application. On your application, you need to give the names and addresses of two references that are not family. In some towns, you are required to have your references notarized.
After all that the wait to get your permit is 1-4 months. If you want a handgun you have to apply for a separate permit. It's pretty ridiculous considering America is home to some of the most lax areas in terms of gun control.
I'm currently in the process of getting my permit, but its taking so long. I plan to get a chinese SKS for my first gun, but I also really want a Mossberg 500. For some reason Americans have a special place in their heart for pump shotguns, especially the Mossbergs and the Remingtons.
You said the regulation was rough, but I heard that there has been a drastic increase in firearm sales there. Any truth to that?
>>55433656
>You said the regulation was rough, but I heard that there has been a drastic increase in firearm sales there. Any truth to that?
70,000 shotguns were sold this year, with a sharp increase in all weapons in October as the siege started to really take effect.
Women have sold out all pepper sprays in the country and they are on backorder for weeks now. Similar situation is developing in our neighbour countries.
The people have realized that this government is treacherous and has no interest in protecting the population, so it's time to take up arms.
If I ran the country I would allow all white people and homeowners in the countryside immediate purchasing rights to a massive catalogue of weapons. At the same time I probably would've started building a fence back in June if I had any say in the matter, but right now defence of the people is highly important. I would make white-on-non-white crime much less punishable because the niggers have terrorized us for so long here. I got mugged not too long ago and boy do I wish I could've capped those chechens.
Mexico 2.0.
>>55432512
so honestly we just wait for the fire to rise
>>55432915
>Hopefully we can look past race or religion in the upcoming default
nice try mr shekelberg
>>55433802
If your government refuses to protect you and refuses to do whats in the best interest for you, then you have every right to take up arms and defend your household and homeland. Its very motivating to hear that the people there are taking steps to arm and protect themselves. The government is nothing without the people, and they have no right to try to take away your natural right to self defense.
When the people finally realized their sovereignty is being threatened by third world niggers, your government will regret not disarming you.
>>55433934
ron?
is that you?
>>55433860
The thing thought is that I don't want to HAVE to wait for the fire to rise. I want to be able to fix this problem right now in a way that is nonviolent. Unfortunate that possibility gets smaller and smaller with every kike we elect and every nigger thug we glorify.
>>55433928
Having a level of tolerance and compassion is something human. Jews are not human.
>>55433321
Since you can't drain blood out of a rock, why not make the rich people pay, instead of dodge their taxes. While we're at it, lets cut their subsidies. Wouldn't want a welfare state, now, would we?
>>55433963
No, but I did go through a brief libertarian phase. I respect Ron for getting me into the political and economics realm but I can't necessarily say I agree with some of his beliefs and policies.
>>55433934
I'm buying things that could be used as weapons, sledgehammers and wood splitting axes are going to have to do I guess.
>>55434043
This isn't the solution. The rich in this country already pay 85 percent of the taxes. In order to pay down the debt you would have to tax them to a degree to where it would be unprofitable for them to do business here. Taxing them more will only drive more money out of the country.
You If you did tax them more, the middle class will still continue to decline because anyone who is middle class won't be able to move up into the rich class due to very high taxes.
>>55434108
God created man but Sam Colt made them equal. Axes and hammers can be used for self defense, but I urge you to get a gun. It will be easier that way.
>>55434164
Don't own my own place and don't have a car either.
It's a bit difficult to have a weapon right now.
I might see if I can get my underworld contacts to bring me something.
>rename the top 5% to "political bureau"
>achieve socialism
Liberals should love this.
>>55434218
I wouldn't resort to getting a gun illegally unless your life or livelihood is in immediate danger. Hopefully the migrant situation there doesn't get too drastic too fast.
Democracy would truly die. Whether America becomes a populist or ogliarchy state is a toss up. Probably ogliarchy with lobbying, CU and TPP being a thing
>>55434267
>Hopefully the migrant situation there doesn't get too drastic too fast.
>120,000 niggers in all of 2014
>1.2 million expected in Germany alone by Dec 31st 2015
>too drastic
all my keks m8
>>55434060
like what?
you sound like a possible me in the near distant future.
I discovered Ron Paul through this somalian site and it was instrumental in my "redpilization"
Which of his beliefs and policies do you disagree with and what made you stop being a libertarian?
you still sound like one afterall
>>55432184
This is retarded.
Both the average and the median purchasing power of USA are pretty high.
YOU'RE NOT POOR! CAPITALISM WORKS!
JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE FILTHY RICH IN YOUR COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE REST POORER!
Even niggers who have 66% of median income still have a purchasing power equal to median person in Italy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income#OECD_Statistics
>>55434534
>Which of his beliefs and policies do you disagree with
Well for one, I don't believe in the gold standard. I feel that Ron is really adamant about it, but I feel that having a solid backed currency can be a terrible thing.
By having your currency directly tied to gold, you limit the money supply. Limiting the money supply will devalue the dollar to some extent.
The current system we have now is a fiat system. The only thing our money is backed by is by our GDP and trust. Our ability to earn gives our currency its value. Currently our GDP is number one if you exclude the EU. This makes our currency very valuable.
It is a fact that a fiat currency is less stable and more volatile than a gold backed currency, but currently our dollar has more purchasing power due to our ability to earn and produce. Another problem with the gold standard is that when you switch to gold, your currency can be targeted by gold market manipulations.
Most of the other things I disagree with are about regulation. Being a libertarian means you have to take a stance that is opposed to alot of regulation. While I think our society is a bit too over-regulated currently, I believe that I can take a stance where we can cut regulation and government while not conforming to the more radical libertarian notion of cutting.
>What made me stop being a libertarian.
When I started getting into politics, my knowledge of how policy and economics work was quite limited. What Ron was saying at the time made sense, but I had to rethink my stance when i fully understood the implications of getting rid of programs like medicare and institutions such as the federal reserve.
One incident in particular is what really changed me. My father got laid off from a high paying position at an insurance company. He had to go on govt. assistance for a year because he could not find a job. He had a quadruple bypass surgery done shortly after and he needed the money.
>>55434917
yes, he and everyone like him gets bailed out in their health and career, while our entire generation has record suicide rates, lower standard of living than previous generation for the first time EVER, and way below replacement birth rates.. good trade off
>>55435380
My father has probably paid more money into the system in taxes than you'll make in your whole career. He earned that unemployment. And guess what? He's back paying MORE money into the system now because the fucking taxes go up every year.
Getting rid of medicare or unemployment for those who contribute to the system is wrong. Getting rid of welfare and programs for niggers and lazy degenerates is the right thing to do.
>>55435380
he works in insurance as well.. insurance is how baby boomers transformed the free market into neo-feudalism.
Have you noticed that insurance is mandated by gov for two of our major industries? what a fucking joke, I'm glad a 50 year old insurance CEO got bailed out with enough money for 3 millennials to live on for a decade so he can go back and fuck us over more with ridiculous 'products' so he and his generation who should have been out to pasture in 2000, can continue to eat at red lobster while his children work in the dishroom
>>55435494
>professional usurer
>earned muh benefits
pick one idiot
but muh daddy! muh successful man in suit!!
>>55435494
by the by... previous generations actually died and retired in their old age.. if staying in your senior position until you're 75 becomes the new thing, it will break the entire economy. This is WHY the oldsters pay more in than their children will ever earn... they wrecked the goddamn economy
The Middle Class is probably the most worthless class in society anyway.
They live in the suburbs, one of the dumbest creations of the 1950s
They live primarily off credit and not any actual income, perpetuating a lifestyle of oneupmanship so you don't look poor to your neighbors
Most of them have shit professions outside of the doctors, lawyers, and engineers. many of them take up shit professions like Human resources or middle management.
>>55435792
exactly: insurance, sales, marketing, advertising, salaried 'non-profits' (huge tax loophole for money stealing under guise of 'muh cancer research' etc).. and they still take huge gov. handouts if they get sick in their 50s, since they have NO SAVINGS it then becomes their children's problem to make a new economy from the ashes of their crumbling scams. I'm actualyl surprised insurance CEOs have to pay for medical care, since insurance is the reason they can charge over an average year's salary for a routine procedure and 3 days in their unsanitary, understaffed hospital
>>55432184
meanwhile in europe
