The TPP and TTIP are comprehensive treaties which are meant to standardize regulations across all signatory countries. The TPP has been released in full, but good luck reading through all 6000 pages of it.
http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.php
Just a few of the concerns, so far:
>all these countries will have to adopt US-style copyright laws and enforce them
>they will also have to enforce longer patents for drugs - say goodbye to generics
>easier movement of jobs overseas
>allow importing of food which doesn't necessarily meet local regulations
>allow investor-state dispute settlements (ISDS) - basically, allow foreign companies to sue governments for profit losses (which in many cases, includes "potential future profits") due to government actions; this is already part of certain trade deals like NAFTA
Note how none of the above has anything to do with tariffs. As for the last point about ISDS, check out some cases and claims that have happened over the years (thanks to the Anon who posted it in the other thread):
http://www.citizen.org/documents/investor-state-chart.pdf
The next couple posts will be a few news articles on the TPP.
>ctrl-F
>tpp
>"no results found"
Goddammit, /pol/.
Critics cry foul as new Trans-Pacific Partnership details emerge
>Among its provisions, the deal looks to make e-commerce easier by protecting "cross-border transfer of information ... including personal information," for business purposes.
>But critics say that wording may override laws like those in B.C. and Nova Scotia that keep government information such as health data and other personal details on servers within Canada to keep people's information safe.
>"These are rules that create restrictions on a country's ability to establish privacy safeguards."
>The TPP deal also extends copyright terms from 50 years after an author's death to 70 years without expanding fair use; the limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission. This will keep works out of the public domain for decades, a consequence Geist calls a "massive loss" for Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trans-pacific-partnership-details-1.3308248
TPP text raises concerns over regulation of temporary foreign workers
>Provisions of Canada’s new Pacific Rim trade deal are prompting concerns over credential recognition in light of a section that says there will be no limits and no testing of foreign skilled workers.
>“This text confirms our worst fears,” said Gill McGowan, president of the Alberta Federation of Labour. “This deal will allow foreign companies to bring in what could be an unlimited number of temporary foreign workers in certain broad occupational categories … while bypassing all measures to protect Canadian jobs.”
>Supporters of the deal are playing down union concerns, arguing that Canada will still be able to ensure foreign workers meet local standards for training.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tpp-text-raises-concerns-over-control-of-temporary-foreign-workers/article27165905/
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>>55265813
Why drug companies and Hollywood love the TPP
>In 1998, the United States Congress granted a 20-year extension of copyright terms — from the life of the author plus 50 years to the life of the author plus 70 years. Economists like Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman were incredulous, arguing that such long terms couldn't possibly increase the incentive to produce creative works.
>Now, through the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, the US is trying to force nations ranging from New Zealand to Vietnam to do the same.
>And it's not just copyright terms. The US also has legal protections for digital rights management technologies that are designed to prevent piracy of movies and music. These protections, though, are loathed by the open source movement, and have had a wide variety of unintended consequences, from restricting cellphone unlocking to limiting people's rights to repair their own cars. Nevertheless, the TPP requires other countries to adopt similar provisions.
>The stakes are highest in pharmaceuticals, where industry groups are seeking new regulations to limit competition from generic drugmakers, including extended patent terms and longer terms of exclusivity for a class of drugs called biologics. Critics say this will lead to higher prices, depriving millions of patients of access to lifesaving medicines. But defenders predict that drug companies will plow their profits into research and development, creating new drugs that will benefit everyone in the long run.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/6/9680898/tpp-intellectual-property-explained
3 Times longer than the Christian Bible.
Since I never read the whole Bible, I'm sure it is too Complicated and Designed to Obfuscate the many systems involved.
Careers can be made for any Lawyer or Banker or Trade Expert, IF you learn to be an Expert on TPP.
Answer: Limit the Power of the Power Players.
Term Limits on Politicians in Washington DC.
Limit the Powers of Corporations, completely build a new system, and break up the Monopolies.
man i hate these maps where Australia is in the center of the world
Corporate Welfare. Corporate Socialism.
Marriage BTW National Govt & Big Corporate Power = Fascism
Zaibatsu?
>>55265766
Hoping the US senate can fix this shit
>>55267790
I notice a lot of movies in youtube have been removed and replaced by a company advertising a fee based movie.
I wonder how much this is related to TTIP, TPP, TISA, TAA, TAP, Fast Track, WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA-DR, ?
Looks like 100%.
But that is in the USA. Not sure if Latin America or Portuguese Countries have seen this yet.
>>55267956
One guiding Principal of Systems Design and Maintenance is to Simplify, Streamline, and Standardize.
This is true for Tax Systems, Regulations, Rules, Laws.
US Govt has failed to do this.
This is Deliberate.
Lawyers, Bankers, Wealthy Powers corrupt all government bodies. So there must be checks and balances to prevent systems from getting complicated and for good simple rules to endure over time.
Truth.
But I don't think the US Senate is capable of Fixing Anything. Seems all major legislation or Reforms would be Written by Lobbyist (sight unseen).
>>55267956
I doubt it. If the senate starts monkeying with it other countries legislatures will monkey with it and no one will get anything.
>>implying the controls the governments create and implement will be bad.
it's almost like you read the cia subversion strategy for middle managers yesterday.
Why came first Taxes or Usury?
Seems like Global Warming Legislation is related to this kind of Trade Agreement where a Bank is set up by a Wealthy American or European who get rich collecting taxes or running a carbon credit market.
Anyway, did you see where they also want to control your property in your bank account. They want to eliminate 'cash'.
But barter systems are older than cash. I hear tradesmen often trade with other tradesmen for work around their houses to avoid taxes and the need for cash.
1. Usury
2. Taxes
3. Window Tax
4. Property Tax
5. Value Added Tax
6. Credit Cards/Health Insurance/Auto Insurance/Home Insurance
7. Housing Price Inflation/Housing Bubbles
8. Copy Rights Tax/Price Inflation
9. Carbon Tax/TPP Tax/TTIP Tax
This is all Wealth Extraction.
Check GINI Index or GINI Coefficient Wealth and Income Gaps. Usury has Extracted more and more wealth each year in OECD Countries.
digital currency will reduce so much crime - except for the bribers and well connected.
> there will be no limits and no testing of foreign skilled workers.
OP you have done more reading that I have.
But in the USA our History tells us that the Military was used to put down strikers in the USA. Companies committed massacres in the USA against Strikers. So it took 150 Years to get Worker Rights, the Right to Organize, and to get Work Place Safety.
Fast Track WTO, Fast Track NAFTA, TPP, TTIP and Globalism all overturn worker rights in North America.
We no have 3 Billion in the Labor Force to complete with for low wages, lower compensation, lower work place safety, and ... human trafficking, human slave labor, human sweat shops, locked factories with women and children working for .10 cents an hour.
If the Nazi Party had designed this Globalist System they could not have done a better job.
- This is what Communism was accusing Capitalism of
- This is the Capitalist enslaving the workers
Now I understand the to many in North America, the Communists and USSR are life long enemies. I just think the propaganda for war and cold war was put on so thick people can't see straight.
>>55265766
>fan fiction
>pornographic fan art
>fan remixes of music
all gone, literally nothing of value would be lost, make your own unique creation instead of trying to "fix" a TV show. It's not your property.
>piracy has tougher punishments
This is already illegal, dumbass. Everyone walks all over it though and current methods of suing downloaders barely makes a dent.
>>55269627
Who do you think is getting rich? And who are the losers in the USA?
- Small Business is getting shafted, business closing outnumber the business opening
- US Business Dynamism is collapsing, older bigger firms dominate
- Total Number of US Banks is collapsing for like 40 years now (monopolies rule)
- Black Market Labor and Consumption is not really the problem, but you can see hotel, restaurants, meat packers benefiting
- US dollars are sent to home countries of people working in the USA, but no one thinks this is a problem
Wealth Extraction, Expensive Universities (Corporations), Expensive Health Care, Expensive Housing (planned bubbles), Central Bank Monopolies (Global), complicated government that requires common man to hire experts in taxes, accounting, auditing, finance, banking, legal/law, civil suites, government.
The winners are in Government, law, Banking, FIREs, National Politics, MIC-Security-Prison Industry.
The winners are the private executives and the wealthy who write the rules and pay themselves based on cutting US Jobs, US Benefits, Raiding Pensions and Retirements, Buying other companies and extracting the wealth/destroying the wealth.
Yep. The 1% or the .01% are the winners.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gundlach-webcast-presentation-december-9-2014-12
Yep. Drug company Patriarchs make out big in TPP.
>>55269825
Slide it, right, shill?
Fuck off.
If you Negotiate with a Corporation or any Business... as Donald Trump will tell you...
You assume they are planning for greater success than you know about. They don't tell you everything even when they are acting nice.
Any Trade deal is going to be a Coup for Corporate Power, Corporate Wealth, and reduce Corporate Responsibility.
The proof is clear since Robber Barons materialized in the USA after the US Civil War.
We have to assume that property rights and copy rights rules will be strengthened for corporations and the wealthy. They would not give up advantages, rather they negotiate for further advantages.
No Dumb Questions about TPP & TTIP.
Notice the Gini Coefficient Wealth Gap progressively grows wider.
>>55270779
yes yes, go draw more porno art based on kid's cartoons and genuinely believe your amateur story "fixes" that last episode of a TV series, while you listen to thousands of MP3s you didn't pay for.
>>55265766
>Goddammit, /pol/.
if none of the sheep care about the global jew shadow government writing their laws, what exactly are we going to do..
>>55273350
>>http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/index.html
dat bucket list
i did a hiv / std test friday, waiting on results. dat stress
>>55265766
Oh shit one of these autistic threads where redditor lurkers post for the first time by shitting on free trade.
> Le TPP is controlled by eeevill corporations XDXDXD
> I don't know what ISDS is so I'm going to assume it's suing over lost profits
> I get all my points from Bernie Sanders, so you can't argue with le ssmart politicssans, unless they are REPUBLICAN ahahhah
>>55273802
Fuck you xi. The TPP is not good for a vast majority of citizens. In case you need a reminder the government is supposed to be made up of and for the people.
>>55269825
>>55273350
>>55273802
So much shilling. Fuck off kikes.
>>55274169
>>implying humans dont benefit from the technologies produced from corporate earnings and mergers.
