Most red-pilled folks, and even normies, recognize the importance of the nuclear family. Having a strong family growing up is correlated with higher education, financial success, low crime rate, more successful marriage, etc. The problem is that post WW2 the nuclear family has been collapsing.
Female liberation, although not inherently bad, has been bastardized by feminists in-order to convince women that having kids and being a homemaker is the worst thing they could do.
With the decline in stigma of casual hookups and the rise of hookup apps like Tinder female hypergamy has been let loose. Women now spend their prime years having sex with a small minority of men. Meanwhile most other men have nothing. In the end they usually end up with a 30+ year old women who settles for them when she can't lock-down a Chad.
The problem is that these women do not make good wives. The husbands resent being settled for. The women blame their husbands for their lack of a Chad. The kids suffer from the inevitable breakdown of the marriage.
This obviously is a huge threat to western society. There's a reason almost every society in history East,West, old world, new world has seen marriage as important and punished adultery seriously.
I don't see a solution. Is there one? What are the long term consequences of this
>>80623496
This is the opinion of someone who hasn't talked to very many women. It reads like someone who learned everything they know about women from television and 4chan.
>>80623881
What's wrong about it?
>>80623881
who could be behind this post
>>80623989
>>80623881
Roastie bitch
>>80623989
>>80624298
Women: No. Women aren't like that at all. Stop being misogynistic
Proceeds to Instagram cleavage for obvious attention whoring.
>>80623881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lhjYzbfco
>>80623496
>Females want to breed with the biggest, strongest, most desirable males
>This is somehow a bad thing.
If you're small/weak/autistic, your genes don't deserve to be passed on.
>>80625668
>Females want to breed with the biggest, strongest, most desirable males
The problem is you can't have a functioning society when most women are aiming for 20% of men.
>>80625668
Proton: this does not happen
>>80626277
inb4 300 replies
>>80626277
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>>80623881
Yeah, you've really got to go out and make your own mistakes to be a real human being :^)
>>80626277
SO RARE
>>80626277
Super rare!
>>80623496
lower the drinking age to 18 to remove things women do for fun. Instead of frat bro parties have wine and a steak at a dinner table
the king is coming, this is but one flavor of judgement...seriously, ya'll probably should go talk to someone who knows about HIM...
>Tinder
>Random hookups
>Twitter/Facebook
>Selfishness
>Unconditional trust
>Personal information public domain
I tell you all, this modern cyber age is a serial killers wet dream. It's so easy to meet people, trick them and have a way to "update" their status to throw their loved ones off the trail of their sudden disappearance. I've never felt safer doing my hobby.
t. Serial Killer
>>80623922
Nothing
destroy the Internet and TV
only solution
>>80623496
Yeah I feel you girls have been fucked in the head for awhile now.. don't know who's to blame.... public school? The media? Jews? Combination of all? Who knows.. had a bad experience while back, me and my girlfriend (now ex,) had an amazing relationship, great sex, our political views were the same but we still could talk about shit without yelling "white male" or "communist cunt".... great sex... but I started noticing that she had been distancing herself and I got a little worried you know, and then like 3 weeks of not talking she hits me up with we need to talk tezt, apparently last time we had sex the condom broke and she was pregnant, at first I was a little awe struck. I mean I've always wanted to be a dad bUT I was young and before I could even tell her how I felt about it she told me she already aborted it... I've never trusted women ever since then...
>>80625668
Darwinism is the big lie that got us where we are now
>>80628624
you're to blame, or rather your fathers and grandfathers for giving women too much rights and free time around the house
>>80628663
Evolution is true. The problem is that evolutionary principle do not function well when trying to build a modern society.
>>80628741
I don't think female liberation can be completely to blame. The original feminist of the early 1900's still believed in gender roles and felt women should be homemakers and mothers. They just wanted the vote and better legal protection. The problem is that original feminist were (((co-opted))) and now we have modern misandry based femenism
>>80629269
it's not just that. Men are guilty too, for supporting "Free love" in the 60's as much as women. Mysandry 3rd wave feminism is only the tip of the iceberg. The biggest problems (such as normalization of premarital sex) started in the 60's and 70s in colleges and in the music industry
>>80623496
It's not always the woman who fucks it up, you know. Everyone I grew up with who's parents divorced, myself included, their parents divorced after the dad fucked up in one way or another (fucking another woman, losing money in some stupid business venture, being drunken cunts).
The thing is that while women are less inclined to be "homemakers" and housewives, they're also being pushed to go into the business world and make a name for themselves.
Maybe I have a better view of F E M I N I S M because I grew up with a proper empowered woman, like heavily individualist. Proper 80's business woman takin names and gettin her money. Not some privileged broad who wants more money for less work.
Anyways! As much as it may seem shitty, I think it wil eventually make marriage better. The driving force of true feminism is making some incredibly bad bitches. Good marriage in the 21st century will most likely be based on full mutual partnership,
>Pre-nup will be the norm
Both people have their own financial lives and understand that if it doesn't work out, they'd rather not have their financial health tied up in it.
>Nobody is the "bread winner"
Both parties have a better understanding of financial standing, and both can be a team going forward to ensure future financial health of the family because they both know how to handle themselves.
>Both parents responsible for teaching the child
Child is exposed to more values, possibly conflicting. More likely the child will get the best of both of their parents since they'll learn from both. Children grow up emotionally and cognitively better off than their parents.
>Both parents, having been responsible for themselves in business and careers and the like should be better at critical thinking, hopefully smarter.
Smarter future generations.
>Both parents were not brought up to "save themselves for marriage."
You and your wife gonna get mad freaky with eachother, shits tight.
>>80629597
cont.
But still, fuck marriage.
I plan on finding a woman I love, making a baby, and raising the shit out of that kid. Marriage not required. If she wants to fuck off she can, I'll raise my baby solo. Me and the babe, takin on the world. Sit-com style.
>>80629368
It's not really most men. It's the top 20% of men. Most men can't get sex easily unless they are Chad's. In fact when you look at the average age of males losing virginity it has gone up steadily over the last century. Most men still can't get sex outside of relationships. I do agree though. College. Neo-liberalism, the media are all to blame as well.
>>80629794
kek
>>80629873
yes but the other 80% still strive to fuck outside of marriage and support it in other ways via things like porn ,prostitution and general sexualized media, not to mention they still VOTE for liberals
>>80629597
>Pre-nup will be the norm
The problem is that pre-nups only cover pre-marriage assets. Also it's very easy with a good lawyer to get one thrown out.
>Both parents were not brought up to "save themselves for marriage."
Sure, but chances are the women got a lot more sex pre-marriage unless the dudes a Chad. Sexual liberation has only benefited women and top tier men. If anything regular men are having less sex now. Sure they might have more partners, if even that, but those partners are so few and far between that in the end a traditional marriage would have allowed for more sex.
>>80623496
This OP is basically saying don't trust anyone ever.
Dont thousands of people get ripped off every year from marriage? of course, but the also get ripped off from nigerian email scams.
If you are a gullible idiot you will be getting ripped off one way or another.
>>80623496
When you dedicate your life to another person to raise a family, you would die for them and you would kill for them, not even a question.
The State wants that power for themelves. Never going to happen or humanity's finished, but they just keep trying.
Until eventually we get new leaders and the cycle happens about every 250 years or so.
Happy belated 240th birthday America! Keep on trucking!
https://youtu.be/sjczwQOnMqg
>>80630118
Mainly because of media propaganda. Most guys still buy into the nice guy meme. They still believe easy sex is eventually available for them. I think if most normie men realized just how fucked the system is against them they would change their minds.
>>80623496
>tfw this hits too hard for home
>>80629794
Speaking of raising children in the 21st cent, whats /pol/s opinion on adoption?
I think if I was ever going to raise a child I'd have one of my own and adopt another. I'd want to invite a kid into a family who otherwise wouldn't have one. Seems like the right thing. It's not the kid's fault his parents were trash people.
>>80630238
>If you are a gullible idiot you will be getting ripped off one way or another.
Just world fallacy. There are smart and trusting people out their who get swindled out of no fault of their own. The problem with divorce and family courts is that it doesn't matter if you were the one that was tricked. You still get fucked over.
>>80630487
The picture I mean
>>80630209
If you're not a "Chad" then you're gonna get a shitty wife regardless of sexual liberation. High value women want high value men. Not talking on the sexual market, I mean life-market. If you don't have your shit together you ain't gonna get a woman who has her shit together. Even today you generally marry your equal.
>>80630517
I think adoption is great. What doesn't make sense to me is a married couple using a sperm or egg donor. Like what's the fucking point. The main reason you would want a natural child is because it's your own genes. With a donor that's not their anymore. You are pretty much cucking yourself.
I also think single women who get sperm donors are fucking retards.
>>80626128
Of course you can.
>>80626277
>Asia/Pacific Region.....
WTF ARE YOU
>>80623496
I'm glad i live in India, at least it isn't that bad here. Arranged marriages are good, i think they have it in Israel too.
>>80630757
people do have too high expectations.
There's nothing wrong with getting an average or ugly wife if you're average or ugly, this is how it's always been
>>80626277
>Click on flag
>404
>>80630757
>If you're not a "Chad" then you're gonna get a shitty wife regardless of sexual liberation.
Depends what you mean by shitty. Before sexual liberation a 5/10 man could get a 5/10 women in her prime. Nowadays that same man either has to settle for a 4 or below in her 20's. Or get the 5/10 once she's old and ridden the cock carousel. Pre-sexual liberation paired people in an egalitarian fashion. The irony is almost too rich.
>>80630813
How. Good luck controlling an unruly disenfranchised sexless population of men that large.
>>80623496
Why do you characterize women's liberation as being taken over by its founders?
>>80630997
India will follow soon once globalization takes full affect.
>i think they have it in Israel too.
In the orthodox communities. Liberal jews not soo much
>>80631190
sadly they are already controlled, they're pacified by the Internet and porn
aka you and all of 4chan.
If you want the control to go away you have to destroy the net
>>80626277
GOTTA CATCH'EM ALL
ITS SO TRUUEEEEE
>>80623881
You haven't used Tinder or had sex with many females have you?
Cuckolding is rampant. Girls do not stay loyal and their ability to have sex with low risk of abortion has caused them to go around fucking tons of guys.
A 19 year old girl having fucked 19 guys is a low number on average.
Girls are having sex with tons of guys, and they are cheating more than ever before.
>>80631005
>people do have too high expectations.
This meme is so stupid.
Most men do not have ridiculously high exceptions. Does the 5/10 dude want a 9/10 chick. Sure. Who wouldn't The thing is though he is more than happy to be with a 5/10 chick. IF anything it's women that have exceptions that are too high.
>>80631193
I don't understand the question
>>80631121
Dude if you haven't been in the pussy parade before you settle down, thats your own fault.
Fucking is free if you're smart.
>>80631311
>sadly they are already controlled, they're pacified by the Internet and porn
That's because they still buy into the lies. If a majority of them were to become red-pilled shit would get serious real quick.
>>80623881
You nailed it, these people are even worst than /r9k/ faggots.
>>80631591
are you shitting me?
even the "redpilled" people on /pol/ are still addicted to porn and the internet.
It would take something like feminists actually taking it all away for that to happen
>>80625668
>trusting women's judgement
Considering how they're nearly completely swayed by simple emotional responses this seems like a misplay.
A guy could be highly intelligent and fit but boring and women would not breed with him because he doesn't excite them enough. Is it really better that Jamal breeds with her rather than the boring guy?
>>80631328
>A 19 year old girl having fucked 19 guys is a low number on average.
It's funny because 19 girls for a guy at 19 would place him into the top 10% of men. A women doing this means she was just willing to open her legs enough times.
>Girls are having sex with tons of guys, and they are cheating more than ever before.
True. The cheating rate is almost equal at this point.
>>80631600
While I am in agreement with you in general. threads like these are still better than r9k. r9k just spergs and says that all women are whores and should die for their crimes of not touching their unwashed sperg cock.
This at least has the pretense of being a discussion about changing gender roles, identities, and behaviors in modern 1st world countries.
>>80631571
>Fucking is free if you're smart.
Fucking is free if you are attractive enough. Most of the average dudes I know having a lot of sex are usually doing it with women way below them.
>>80623881
>1 post by this ID
Why do you do it?
>>80623496
The post ww2 model was basically unmaintable and only existed.. well post ww2. before that it wasn't like the woman stayed home, they usually actually worked in most countries and only the wealthy woman were allowed to solely take care of the kids. The nuclear family is myth, stop starving for something that is economically impossible. You will only be disappointed.
It is hard to find good women out there. I have been done with being a nice guy because of it. I would treat a good woman like a good woman should be treated, but there are not many out there. When I was younger I thought Chads were assholes, but now it is apparent that they are doing exactly what women deserve.
>>80631673
You can be addicted to porn and still rise up.
>>80623881
>>80625668
>>80631600
post an argument anytime
>>80631983
This is somewhat true
the real traditional family is the extended family. Women worked on farms or at family businesses in harmony with the rest of the family.
really it's industrialization and capitalism that destroyed the true traditional family, and the 50's nuclear family was a temporary false utopia
>>80631600
>>80631706
thats why you need the free market, so that traits like intelligence get the adventage they deserve.
>>80632230
>free market
this really is what led to the destruction of traditional families in the first place. I mean REAL traditional families, centered on local communities and the land.
>>80631875
>attractive enough
memes, my friend. You can be painfully average and still fuck upwards, again, if you're smart. Make a girl think you're above them in the sexual marketplace. Not that PUA garbage. Just be smarter, funnier, and a better person than your average Chad. Mix in some confidence and you'll be fine.
>>80631190
A society does not benefit from the weak.
>>80632030
There's a quotes by a famous female anti-feminist that goes something like," Women should stop complaining that men are assholes. If women slept with nice guys then most men would be nice."
>>80631933
>t. someone with a good father and issues with women
Men can be just as shitty. Narcissism has no gender, friend.
>>80632174
I agree with you to some extend but I would argue that if we just not implement social welfare we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.
See it this way, its being said that the XIX century was the most brutal age of capitalism.. yet the traditional family was doing great, why? because it was mutually benefitial to both. if you were to be a single mother, you were fucked, if you didn't made enough kids to take care of you when you were older, you were fucked.. and so on. My point is - we kinda replaced the family with the state.
>>80631933
This is painfully true
>>80632323
>>80632230
The free-market does not value intelligence. It values who ever can create more capital.
>>80623496
>I don't see a solution. Is there one?
Abolish alimony and allow gender discrimination of labor. It will make true occupation for fair woman great and profitable again (and only it). Capitalism m8, google it.
>>80625668
>Implying chads contribute anything to humanity
>Implying weak unnatractive geniuses aren't beneficial to humanity
LOL nice try kike
>>80623496
I've been doing ok. Wife walks the dogs, cleans the house, and will be home schooling the kids in all areas except for Math, as well as taking them to their extra-circulars to socialize them.
Online dating is actually one of the worst things to ever happen. It really fucks with women's heads when the gets 100s of messages per day despite being only average looking, it puts them in a 'I am going for the best I can mode' which results in them never being satisfied.
The only solution would be to get men to leave online dating en mass, cut off the attention and return them to normal.
>>80629597
t. roastie
tits or gtfo
>>80626277
Gotta catch 'em all.
Thanks whatever you are
>>80632460
>calls my comment a meme
>proceeds to post memes as serious argument
The whole funny smart thing doesn't make you more attractive to women. Maybe as friend, but not as a sexual partner. Those things only help if the women already saw you as attractive.
>>80632818
To be fair, in a lot of ways the greatest geniuses were celibate, and marriage can be a distraction to them.
The quality of philosophy and academia declined ever since they stopped valuing celibacy
>>80632506
Just because you can't get sex doesn't mean you are weak.
Tesla and Newton were virgins. The geniuses at MIT who have a male virginity rate double the national average contribute a lot to society. Much more than the Chad who goes laid every other day and does nothing but look good.
Virgin and losers from r9k and /pol/ complaining about women is the equivalent of fat ugly bitches complaining about how men don't fuck them.
If nothing else a man's job is to attract women. If you fail at that then you are the faggot and you have no right to complain as it always was in history. Both demographics exist out there but they don't breed or interact due nto an unwarranted sense of their own importance. It's also nice you fags don't even get to breed in general desu.
Tesla was a virgin autist and so was Nietzche were they faggots? no You're the faggots.
>>80623496
>I don't see a solution
everyone here knows the cure, the only cure but you dont want it.
the answer is : Islam. Sorry lads, admit it or stay cucked with whites women trying take control over men.
>>80626277
Shiny Moldova
>>80632614
I agree. The problem is the court system protects against shitty men. Shitty women not so much. If anything it actually incentivizes shitty women because it tells them there aren't any consequences for your actions.
>>80632837
It isn't just women. Employers too suffer from the same syndrome. They become extremely picky and some would rather leave the job position vacant rather than hire someone that isn't the PERFECT FIT.
My personal online experiences have been absolute shit, but I was able to score a few 8's in real life. Says a lot.
>>80632947
the "friendzone" is for guys who waited too long (aka pussies)
>>80623496
Do you know what serial monogamy means?
>>80623881
>All there information from tv
Where do you think women get there information on how to act?dumbass.
>>80632895
I'm a man you dip
you can catch a pic of my hairy taint
>>80623496
I am almost certain that the meme that "kids and homemaking is the worst" was first pushed by ugly unfuckable goblin feminists like Andrea Dworkin that no reasonably attractive male would touch with a 10-foot-pole.
>>80633071
>Just because you can't get sex doesn't mean you are weak.
Sex is nature's way of say good job nigga. If you can't get sex it means there's something wrong with you.
>>80632963
The point is, sexual ""value"" does not represent actual value. With more Chads, our society does not advance
>>80633285
the Internet in general presents too many choices.
Too much choice is bad for your brain and for society. Physical limits (the village, small communities etc vs the large city) are what keep us sane and moral.
GK Chesterton has a good explanation of this.
>>80623881
Typical cuck idiot. I bet you even think women should be able to vote. Laughable.
>>80632818
And most women don't care about that. They see chads, they want them, they see nerd money, and they want that too.
>>80623881
There's a large nose protruding from this post.
>>80633097
>If nothing else a man's job is to attract women.
>Tesla was a virgin autist and so was Nietzche were they faggots?
According to your logic they were. Have you read the comments on women by Tesla and Nietzsche. Tesla is a fucking prophet. The shit he wrote about 100 years ago about women and the western world has come true.
To fix this problem while maintaining egalitarian values would probably require sex becoming an aspect of group bonding, similar to Bonobos.
We humans share a basic internal mental structure with Chimpanzees, hierarchal and competitive. However Bonobos and chimpanzees are almost identical except for their social structure, its entirely possible we could emulate it.
>>80633134
You don't need Islam per-se, you just need what Islam prescribes. Islam does not see women and men as equal. IT values the family and marriage above all else. It punishes degeneracy and adultery seriously.
>>80626277
ANDORRA???!
Someone needs to popularize family values, loyality and love. A master brander.
Trump is the answer.
>>80623496
If you think it's just feminism, you are a tool.
The problem is alienation caused by living in technologically advanced society.
>>80629597
this
By realizing this stuff, you can take active steps towards surviving well in it.
Ideally, I'd be fine with both parents working part time to have leisure, enough money, and time to raise the kid ushering in correct checkpoints that stave off cultural marxism.
>>80633296
Most friend-zoned dudes are genuinely nice and successful guys who's only mistake was buying into the memes that society pushed on them.
>>80631420
This, plus a 5/10 man will take a 3/10 woman who makes him feel like the ultimate Chad. Women think we only want super hotties, when an OK chick who is always D2F is just as good if not better.
>>80633884
this.
If you want tradition and the internet, you're the problem. You have to abandon the Internet
>>80633401
>tl;dr "people are snails"
thanks for your invaluable input, faggot.
>>80633683
We already are becoming like bonobos. Single mothers everywhere supported by the state. Men paying more of the taxes and women taking all the welfare. Children raised by single mothers are worse off.
>>80633320
yeah. Why? It's having a chain of short monogamous relationships.
>>80633401
>>80628030
Please teach me your way through anonymous, public message boards with absolutely no exchange of personal information.
>>80634014
I'm saying engineer society based on those principals.
>>80633097
I only agree with one thing, people here should stop thinking about women at all and consider celibacy, real celibacy and actually try to live like Tesla and Nietzche if they want that.
You could potentially fix the family unit by simply enforcing laws against the degeneracy women (and men who would cheat) do, they won't step out of line if you can really beat it into their heads.
>>80634289
This would require heavily controlling the Internet, or better yet getting rid of it as a home service entirely
>>80633285
I've done better than your average male online but I had to improve the living shit out of myself to do so. However in actually getting attention I discovered then next layer which is 'I'll date you but fuck up in any way and you're done' despite me being far about average. So even if you can pull it off any relationship from it will be ramshackle because of the 'well I can always do better' mentality.
I miss dating in the mid 00s, shit was so much easier.
>>80633636
I mean they never complained about women. They just did their thing and didn't concentrate on getting women. Even if they couldn't get women because they were awkward and autistic they channeled their energies into something productive and accepted that they were different.
>>80633865
>Trump is the answer
>yidd
>>80634236
Im saying it already is and its shit
>>80633976
>You have to abandon the Internet
if only it would let you
But it's so convenient to use, isn't it? You can use it for everything, order goods and services you couldn't get at the town store.
And you basically need it to interact with government in modern countries like Belgium.
Modernity is non-negotiable, citizen.
>>80634406
I agree that most people here should seriously consider celibate life and completely removing sex from their goals, and actually pursuing something different.
>>80628624
This story is almost believable, but no woman would ever pay for an abortion. She would nag you for money first for something unrelated, then abort your kid with it. Fact.
This accomplishes two things
>she doesn't pay out of pocket
>she shifts all blame to you
This maintains that women are greedy, untrustworthy, and irresponsible. Brings the reality level of the story way up.
>>80633961
Yeah, like being fucking nice.
Fuck being nice. Be good instead.
Good men prosper, love, and fight.
Nice men get by, get cucked, and avoid conflict.
>>80634366
Limiting it to certain people should be a thing, make it illegal for kids to use it without parental permission and women shouldn't use it either.
That gets rid of two extremely fucking cringecore groups and the "social media" type of people (and hipsters) at least.
>>80634236
Bonobos evolved to have the mentality to act the way they are. If you try engineering a bonobo like society without fundamentally changing human genetics you are going to have a bad time.
>>80634575
It should be illegal as a home service, period. Make the PC and smartphone illegal.
Only for libraries schools and companies
>>80626277
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova
>>80633961
nah they're just socially awkward and haven't got the balls to actually take a shot at being rejected. I know several guys who IMO are ugly, unfit and dumb but get a ton of pussy just because they TRY ALL THE TIME
>>80634240
Tesla and Nietzsche weren't really celibate out of choice. The problem is that sex is very important to a man. Celibacy just isn't an appealing solution.
>>80634467
We've got all the shitty parts. Not the free sex for everyone, and the social cohesion through sexual bonding from this. This part is key to it actually working.
>>80628030
Good luck.
>>80629794
How the fuck can anybody on 4chan be this goddamn naive in 2016?
>>80634695
I only think adult "males" should be authorized to use it in any way, it's useful for spreading ideas in any case, but the state should still have control over it in some form.
Onto the real problem though, women have the mind of fucking children sometimes, they don't have to deal with consequences because they are supported by the state. You have to find that sweet spot between discipline and "freedom"
>>80634796
I seriously hope you don't see that kind of behavior is in line with Christianity
>>80623881
I was that guy. The handsome guy.
I hate justifying /r9k/, but I also hate the lies girls make to make it seem like everything is fine
>>80626277
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra
>>80623496
>end no-fault divorce
>reform the family court system and encourage mediation as an alternative
>end federal matching subsidies to states for child support awards
>eliminate alimony
>end women & children specific entitlement programs
>dispel the wage gap myth and end affirmative action programs in hiring and education
>accept that these differences are deeply related to sexually dimorphic signaling displays seen across history and cultures and that, ironically, they probably developed to help with mate selection
Yes, there is a way to fix things. The rub is that many (((lawyers))) and (((social workers))) have a vested interest in keeping the current shitheap running because it exceedingly efficient at legally siphoning all your shekels until there are no more to take.
>>80634514
We can keep the internet. Just get rid of anonymity. Without anonymity degeneracy, cheating, etc would all decline rapidly.
>>80634661
Their environment changed them.
In bonobo areas there are no lowland gorillas and therefore enough resources for the entire troupe.
>>80634574
Part of being a good man/person is being nice.
>>80634991
how would we talk here?
>>80634991
by get rid of anonymity do you mean to the government, or to every other person who sees your comments online?
>be millennial
>have female family members my age
>they all bounce around from boyfriend to boyfriend and only chase after tattooed roided dudebros with shitty jobs that will take them nowhere, all these guys do is get drunk/high and party
>female family members' female friends (also my age) are notorious for dating successful guys just to use them for their money and leave them after a few months
>my family literally cannot comprehend why I've never had a gf
I WONDER WHY
HMMMMMM.....
>>80634821
>Not the free sex for everyone, and the social cohesion through sexual bonding from this.
Because we didn't evolve to have this mentality. Bonobos probably don't have strong sexual selection like humans do. They see sex as no more special than shaking a persons hand.
>>80634983
Women shouldn't go completely free either, their degeneracy is a result of their almost boundless freedom and them being exempt from consequences.
>>80634853
Because fuck your 50s white picket fence, Leave it to Beaver, just bought a new microwave, 3 bedroom house outside Green Bay, 1 car garage, 2 kids and a dog, wife in an apron, tuna casserole, key party havin, necktie wearin, shoulder pad lookin, factory workin, family values, "real music," ass-blast-to-the-past wantin, when men were men, pre sexual liberation fantasy havin bullshit.
Marriage sucks and usually fails. I got no problem lovin a woman till the day I die. But fuck your piece of paper, why do I need my love to be legally binding. If one of you NEEDS your relationship to be a fucking contract, that person is insecure in your partnership.
>>80630517
Orphaned kids are almost entirely trash. The asian ones are usually fine because they'll be heartless automatons regardless of what happens to them, but the others are nearly guaranteed to be trash.
>whites are meth babies who will kill you in your sleep to fuel their crippling addiction to weed
>mexibabies are driveby survivors who will either draw more salsamen to your home or go join a gang themselves
>blacks are black
All other races need not apply, they're only human by semantics.
>>80633865
>Someone needs to popularize family values, loyality and love.
Will not work unless it has financial incentive. Capitalist society. How the fuck do you expect things to wok in it if they don't have profit behind them? Are you even merchant?
>>80630517
Adopt white kids and then you are A-Okay.
>>80629597
>fundamentally altering the natural dynamic between man and woman is a non-issue and will actually bring about better results
This is liberalism. Liberalism is suicide.
Protip: Women can work without sacrificing their role as women. Here in Russia, the women manage both extremely well (the discrepancies in outcome come as a result of many of the children here growing up on the streets, rather than in the household).
>>80634533
Right. But there is a bigger problem here. If you really wanna be celibate then you have to actually be celibate. The Christian saints and monks didn't become celibate because they couldn't get any pussy. They became celibate because they wanted a relationship with god and were honest about that. Do man-children have the same priorities? No they want to fuck and can't. If you wan't to be celibate go join a fucking monastery and put your money were your mouth is.
Sorry manchildren but you won't give up your destructive hobbies when you become celibate. You will still use the internet you will still watch porn and play video games where the first set of titts will trigger you. You don't have the willpower of a monk or a saint.
Admit that you want women and you want to fuck and work towards that. You don't want to be closer to god you want to fuck some slut and fulfill your pornagraphically induced fantasies. So go to the gym and become something those sluts would want to fuck with or else keep rationalizing your failures and keep engaging in self-destruction nobody gives even the tiniest fuck about you there is plenty of human scum on the earth just like you.
>>80635101
When it's deserved. A "nice person" isn't necessarily good. Being inherently nice doesn't work out well.
>>80635151
We could still do it just not anonymously. 4chan is pretty degenerate so it would one of the things this policy would cure.
>>80635208
The second. Which by definition would also make it so the government could see it as well.
>>80635351
It won't be perfect immediately. But its not like we don't have social problems right now. Human behaviour and psyche is very malleable given the right reward system.
>>80635566
which group are you in? the saints or scum just like everyone else?
>>80632772
>It values who ever can create more capital.
The intelligent do, though.
>>80635466
I agree. Marriage should be a stateless ritual. Do it in a church or a mosque or in a pagan ritual. Do a secular marriage. The state should not be involved. If you want to make your own private contract fine.
>>80634991
That is like the ultimate totalitarianism. It would be hell on earth, where peoples lives would be dictated by moral fads roiling the culture. If you want your first taste of that, look at all the firings being caused by SJW for facebook posts.
>>80623496
>2016
>Not dropping women and finding true love in a boi
>Not pounding boipucci for the rest of your life
When will /pol/ learn?
>>80623496
>I don't see a solution. Is there one? What are the long term consequences of this
Possible solutions:
-Killing all Jews involved in promoting degeneracy.
-Killing all degenerate whites
-Resetting society
Sadly, there is not much that can be done. Western societies have fully embraced decadence, so non-white, more traditionalist cultures and races are meant to take over.
>>80634991
Make the internet men only and only for adult men at that, shit like porn should fuck off but sites like 4chan should be around, mostly only because they're so fucking entertaining.
>>80630759
>>80630517
I placed my first child for adoption--not because of drugs, but because I was young and in the military. Didn't want her to grow up speaking Filipino because she was raised solely by govt. daycare providers.
The family I chose was comfortable, but middle income. They had waited seven years on a list for a baby, and were unspeakably overjoyed when I gave them mine. It's a fucking shame that so many women abort when there are 36 families on waiting lists to adopt babies for every one child aborted.
>>80623496
Sean Connery was right about women. but we didn't listen.
>>80635566
>The Christian saints and monks didn't become celibate because they couldn't get any pussy. They became celibate because they wanted a relationship with god and were honest about that.
A lot of saints and clergy still had sex just with prostitutes.
>>80635747
Definitely not a saint
>>80634965
Of course not, I didn't say I did that myself. The desperation a lot of men go through in their pursuit of physical pleasure is just a glimpse of the suffering they will know in the other life according to HIM.
>>80635936
sometimes i wish i was gay. Fuck the dating game and it's rules.
>>80634235
You'd be surprised what % of /pol/ are actual serial killers.
And i mean proper slaughter room ones, not "stab you in an alley" retards.
>>80631121
Exactly what I think when I hear cucked men talking about how feminism "won it" for them. Why the fuck would a bunch of dimepiece women compete for a 5/10 dude when the 8 is perfectly willing to fuck all of them anyway?
The problem was when women were encouraged to compete against one another for men, and men were encouraged to sit back and hope these women would hop on their dick at some point. Niggers have always been this way, but whites only recently switched to this mating strategy and we're suffering for it.
>>80635716
>Human behaviour and psyche is very malleable given the right reward system.
To a degree. Could you incentivize a man to have sex with a 3/10 man. Sure, but only with some men. Also the incentive would be cost prohibitive on a mass scale. Bonobos and humans had a million years of evolution to get where they are. That's not something you can really change in decades or even centuries.
>>80623496
Basically it works like this.
The top 30% of the nation's women sleep with the same 1% of men.
So you'll have 1% of guys athletes, huge guys, rich guys sleeping with over 100 hot women easy. Why the remaining 99% of us even the better off ones it's 50 to 10. Median id guess 15 by 25. Women however simply fuck the 1% as much as they can and the best they can until they get fat. So median women is like 22 by 25.
Anyways. Whole point is because of birth control women can be sluts and size queens and no one cares.
Shotgun wedding used to actually mean that. "You knocked my daughter up, you are going to marry her and I have a shot gun."
Now one cares
>>80632090
No. You can't.
>>80636239
do you plan on marrying or celibacy?
>>80634991
>Just get rid of anonymity
>>80635754
The intelligent do create capital, but they don't contribute. Top tier bankers are smart and create capital, but in the end what have they actually contributed to society. In fact to get all that capital they probably had to fuck a lot of shit up.
>>80635870
All the shit sjw's do in private would also be exposed. Which would definitely fuck them over.
>>80636072
>fuck degeneracy unless it's degeneracy I like.
>>80632947
Forgot this.
Ugliest son of a bitch on TV.
Cute wife.
She says she married him for his brains.
Married before big deal with HBO, back when he was just an ugly goofy brit.
>>80636345
We are already moving away from the alpha male hierarchal patriarchy model which has worked for humanity for the past forever.
Its going to be worse... we are heading to a feminism dominated cuck hell. Culture reinforcing that refusing sex is taboo would fix many of our current gender problems.
>>80635466
It blows my mind that you actually exist.
Seriously what fucking year do you think this is?
Key parties?
Seriously, fucking key parties?
You're bringing up fucking SWINGING as an inseparable part of traditional marriage?
You're fucking broken dude, and you need to stop getting your perspective on reality from TV.
>>80636490
Do you even capitalism?
The banking sector provides services that are vital to the functioning of civilization.
Suppose i need to pay my suppliers and don't have the money in hand, oh gee, guess its bankrupcy time.
Sad day when america has to be lectured on capitalism by HUEs.
>>80636712
You should realize she married him because of his financial success, not because he's a great lover or a very attractive male.
>>80623496
>not posting the full one
>>80636101
So was Sanders
>>80636751
I heard the WHOOSH from my house
>>80623496
THE SOLUTION IS KEK'S HOLY WAR! THE WEAK WILL BE CLEANSED! PRASIE THE HIGH LORD OF MEMES KEK!
>>80623496
>>80636751
This x10,000. Men (white men/Asian men that is) only think the dating game is slated against them because of stuff they see on television and read on their PUA forums. Their apathy is the result of tactics from Marxists trying to destroy the nuclear family.
>>80636803
they got married when the best thing he had was a failing Comedy Central show.
just order a mail bride and piss off white women.
A man's value doesn't decrease with age. A woman's does. Take your fucking time and use your time to learn crafts and skills.
>muh white race
Sorry. I won't bring children to this world. I took a gene test and it's frankly horrifying. I don't want to have on my conciousness to bring up a child that's going to get fucked.
I'm positive for adoption. Having children is NOT a human right. I work in psychiatry and 100% of all patients have a history of fucked up family.
>>80623496
> I don't see a solution. Is there one? What are the long term consequences of this
Sharia law...
(the better parts thereof...)
a pitty, that it's context was spoiled in the West by intentional spoiling in the mid-east...
>>80623496
>female liberation
>although not inherently bad
into the trash it goes, faggot
>>80637012
again.
whoosh
>>80636459
>implying mossad doesn't already know who all of us are.
>>80623881
the one who hasn't talk to women on their 20 something is you probably, I live around these kind of people and believe, my female friends who live in stable old school families rarely cheat on their boyfriends and they seldom sleep around, it's the ones coming from broken families or families where they were given little to no attention that became sluts the moment they hit college, if you call them out on their bullshit or just tell them that cheating on their boyfriend is wrong they'll always answer "he would never find out" "He probably has already cheated on me" "I'm just having fun" etc...
>>80637088
Would have ignored, but dubs press me to ask you for an explanation.
>>80632323
If that's your definition of traditional family then I'm pretty sure it was actually done in by the industrial revolution and urbanization famalam.
>it's a /pol/ blames women for all their problems episode
Sometimes I really do think this entire board is satire. Like I highly doubt that any of you are a catch for a chick and your inability to find a good relationship is your fault.
>>80637012
In terms of finding a virgin wife it is, it's just that nobody deserves a virgin wife anymore, that was already destroyed by public schooling for everyone both men and women.
>>80635377
That's true. Most of those things I listed either actively or passively reward that behavior in women. If you decrease the contingencies rewarding destructive behavior, you decrease the behavior. This is what femishits don't understand. It's not about getting some moral retribution in seeing them suffer for being sluts. It's about actually fixing whats broken. This is much more readily achieved by rewarding different, socially constructive behavior than punishing existing behaviors.
Also, men are hardwired to fuck as much as they can. The only thing that prevents women from exploiting this fact for personal gain is a reasonable sense of sexual shame reinforced by her shaming other women who are sluts. Female culture is groupthink incarnate and this is really all that was reigning things in by the early 00s after degeneracy had destroyed religious participation and family life.
The worst thing to happen in this society occurred when it became uncommon for girls to criticize other girls for putting out too much or too quick.This is a relatively recent occurrence and has only really been in full force for the past 6 years or so. Legbeards and liberal arts college fags have been shilling it longer, but it was only the Dumblr crowd that spun it into mass consciousness.
>>80634991
Fuck off to reddit.
>>80636790
>The banking sector provides services that are vital to the functioning of civilization.
>>80628624
something similar happened to one of my friends, when he got the news he was happy to be a dad (albeit a little awestruck since we were 21 at the time) but before anyone knew the bitch already aborted the baby
>>80637221
>he didn't read the thread
>>80637259
Exactly.
You have to put them back in line, learn them some discipline, the man must have control again and then the family can be kept together once more.
>>80623496
Pic fixed.
>>80637259
>men are hardwired...
Women are hardwired to find as suitable a mate to give them children as possible. That's evolution, anon. If you want to argue nature, then it's only nature that's preventing 3/10 men from snagging any mate at all--most women would rather fuck an attractive, but dumb and poor man than a man who may have cash and brains, because these women know the endgame is ultimately to produce healthy offspring who can claim more resources.
>>80637022
She's probably one of the few decent women that actually cares about a dude for something beyond his looks. Good women exist it's just that they are rare.
Also Jon isn't ugly. He's a solid 5/10. He just has shit teeth and always looks frumpy
>>80634235
It's more or less up to you to determine for yourself who will be your victims. For myself, its mainly sociological patterns that my choices exhibit. I spend most of my time watching their patterns of day to day activity and how they communicate to others about their lives. The more "Charity" these people feel they are giving back to a community, or work they do towards "Educating" others they deem less than themselves are ones I target. So many of these feel so superior to others despite their hidden, dark desires. They would in most cases, bend to the will of another in almost an instant. No regard for human life. All they want is to be worshipped and help up on a pedestal like they all mighty.
I thought about doing something to a less fortunate soul, but I feel sadness for people. Not in a pitiful way, I generally see them living a better life than me without fault but I am saddened that they do not work towards self improvement. Truly disgusting people in my opinion and not worth the time of my work.
So I target those that feel they are superior in their own ignorance. It's a really uplifting experience.
>>80637384
Right. Because 100% of it is wrong.
I'm not defending fractional reserves, just saying getting rid of the banking sector would collapse civilization faster than the sandniggers ever could.
>>80637489
No, anon. The man *does* have control today, and that's why things are so fucked up--when men have control, women are encouraged to be sluts, they're encouraged to put out easily and to the highest bidder, because ultimately the most viable men *will* have control over the other men.
When relationships were a partnership, a woman knew that the optimal outcome for her family was to show deference to her man when it came to things like money, politics, and education of their children, but the man showed deference to the mother of his offspring when it came to household matters. Sad fact is that most of the loudest SJWs are men who are holding out hope that if they encourage women to be whores, they might just get some tang.
Shortsighted thinking.
>>80637259
>Also, men are hardwired to fuck as much as they can. The only thing that prevents women from exploiting this....
Are you kidding me. Women exploit this shit all the time. What do you think a women is doing in a relationship when she threatens to cut off sex if her male partner doesn't do what she wants.What do you think virgin-shaming is.
>>80637619
Quit roleplaying with clichés.
Watching documentaries on serial killers doesn't give you a clue on reality.
>>80637268
>>80637566
Rare, yes. However, keep in mind a good woman is often made, not born.
>>80637489
I know what it's about. It's always a bunch of sad ugly and socially retarded losers rationalizing why they can't find a girlfriend and blaming everyone and everything but themselves. That's what it always is.
>>80628983
>Evolution is true.
there is no poof for that
>>80637821
Parents (including mothers) should have more control over the mating process. There's a reason arranged marriage worked.
>>80637909
The funny things is, a lot of them are MGTOWs who spend most of their time thinking about women despite swearing them off.
>>80637662
I agree. I'm just trying to say that the researcher who survives off of government funds probably contributes more to society than banker.
>>80636916
Sorry I'm not hip to your rootless cosmopolitan references shill.
Here's the deal.
Your attempt to justify your statement by appealing to the insecurity of others is not an argument.
The fact remains that marriage has been a contract for thousands of years in every successful culture, and contracts exist for clearcut reasons that no amount of "y-you're just insecure" can logically undercut. Any agreement between sovereign individuals is inherently insecure and you're a naive fool to claim that sexual relationships are somehow the exception.
>>80637892
I totally agree. The problem is that society is no longer conducive with producing good women.
>>80623989
>>80636712
>>80637208
He made fun of my liberal views on marriage, so I took a stab at traditional ones.
I asserted that he was the type of person to complain about how "men aren't men anymore" and "nobody makes real music." Basically portraying him as a "born in the wrong generation" memester.
I did this by listing a bunch of bullshit that came from "traditional" America.
>Because fuck your 50s white picket fence, Leave it to Beaver, just bought a new microwave, 3 bedroom house outside Green Bay, 1 car garage, 2 kids and a dog, wife in an apron, tuna casserole, key party havin, necktie wearin, shoulder pad lookin, factory workin, family values, "real music," ass-blast-to-the-past wantin, when men were men, pre sexual liberation fantasy havin bullshit.
I threw in key parties as a reference to the dysfunction and degeneracy that still took place back in the "good ol days" even though many people romanticize the family values that shows like "Leave it to Beaver" portray, the reality was very similar to today. People cheated on their spouses, hit their kids, failed, and sucked at being a family.
Not saying all families had key parties and beat eachother back then, not saying it's perfect now. Just drawin attention to the fact that both Traditional and Liberal views on the concept of family are flawed.
>>80637930
WEW LAD
>>80638044
Arranged marriage prevented all of this. When marriage was treated like a job / business partnership and just a fact of life, rather than competitive.
Men who believe in the "competitive" shit and see dating as a "game" are regressing back to animals.
>>80635566
Monks were about the most horniest and lewd people around during Middle Ages, there are surviving reports and stories of this.
>>80623496
the nuclear family is a joke, why the fuck would i give a woman my shit for free? why the fuck would i want kids? what kind of autist believes in this shit still?
>>80637969
I actually agree with this. Arranged marriages encourage k-selection...however, I doubt society will ever return to this method (funnily enough Jews still do this). Also, mothers were traditionally more involved in arranging for a husband or wife than the fathers were.
It was enough for many years to encourage people to enforce taboos on "tainted goods", be those goods male or female.
>>80638182
God you are fucking autistic. Arranged marriages with no love?
>>80638324
Love is something that develops over a long period, it's not the feeling of infatuation people say is 'love at first sight'
>>80638274
I can almost smell the degeneracy.
>>80638324
Women aren't able to love, you dumb goy faggot. Kill yourself.
>>80638149
Green Bay is a shit hole. No one would want to live anywhere near there.
>>80623881
not really. spot on.
as a 30 year old man, i can attest that there is mostly nothing but single mothers and fucked up women who have been with either too many guys are a few guys a long time. both of which make any future relationships with them terrible.
>>80638044
I really don't want to be on this board anymore. The exposure to this level of social retardation is probably bad for mental health.
>>80638324
You assume those in arranged marriages are all loveless. Those in arranged marriages report higher marriage satisfaction and happiness with their partners compared to "love" marriages.
>>80631770
>It's funny because 19 girls for a guy at 19 would place him into the top 10% of men
Really? Fucking a lot of girls is respected in USA?
I've never met anyone here who brags/is respected for fucking different girls left and right.
It's the opposite. Finding a partner and being in a good long term relationship is looked up to.
>>80638182
Eh, competition is a good thing among men. Note the cultures in which the women, not the men, typically competed with each other for mates: most tribal African cultures, islander cultures, etc.. When women compete, they use their highest sexual value: their looks, which fade. When men compete, they can't use their looks--they have to use things women are attracted to, such as their intelligence, humor, strength. In societies that encouraged competition among men, art, literature, and science flourished. In societies that encouraged competition among women, nothing flourished but STDs.
>>80638510
it wasn't BACK IN THE GOOD OL DAYS
>>80634970
wow what the fuck? this little speck is a country?
>>80638427
That's why you date someone for years before you marry them.
>>80638482
Autism.
>>80638560
No they don't.
>>80638298
>>80638324
>>80638298
>>80631285
>>80638182
Indians have arranged marriages too.
read this to know how it works - https://www.quora.com/Do-arranged-marriages-in-India-really-work/answers/1599238
>>80638541
Fuck off yidd.
>>80638599
well I should stop posting in this thread because I'm a half-jew with actual high-functioning autism. I'm just genetic trash and should stop even thinking about reproducing.
