https://next.ft.com/content/b2d07188-441f-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d#axzz4DnjUnwOB
how will unioncucks ever recover?
>>80253270
we hate the EU
you hate the EU
we should have sex
>pays for online news
>calls others cuck
the mountainjew must align with the other financial forces.
>>80253739
The Swiss bankers’ association has proposed an alliance with London and leading non-European international financial centres to help thrash out deals on access to EU markets.
Switzerland, London, Hong Kong and Singapore would pool ideas and resources under a plan put forward by Patrick Odier, chairman of the Swiss association.
The proposal to create a “F4” alliance follows the British vote last month to leave the EU, which would mean London joining Switzerland as a financial centre operating outside the bloc.
Financial services in the UK may face difficulties serving customers in the EU following the separation, raising fears about the long-term future of international banks using London as a base.
“Co-ordinating our efforts would make it easier and quicker to discuss issues and come to solutions over challenges with the EU,” said Mr Odier. Switzerland has about a quarter of the global cross-border asset management business, with its banks specialising in the management of the wealth of rich families and entrepreneurs around the world.
The country voted against EU membership in the early 1990s and since then Swiss businesses have secured access to EU markets via a web of bilateral contracts.
But the future of those contracts has been thrown into doubt by a Swiss referendum in 2014 demanding quotas on immigration from the EU. If implemented, this decision would violate an agreement with the EU on the free movement of people. As a result of the stand-off, negotiations with the EU about a deal on financial services have been shelved.
The Swiss bankers’ association first suggested launching a “F4” financial centres group in 2012. “It is now time to relaunch the initiative,” Mr Odier said.
>>80253897
The UK’s planned break with the EU would make an alliance with Switzerland more attractive to London, he said, adding that it would also be welcomed by the EU which would rely heavily on the two financial centres to finance future economic growth.
“Together, they [the UK and Switzerland] would be even more important in contributing to the development of a European capital market and financing European industry than they were separately before. That is where I see a huge and interesting area of collaboration,” Mr Odier said.
Under his proposals, a “F4” group would co-ordinate positions on global financial regulation and access to the EU market. The aim would be to establish international standards, to avoid the duplication of efforts, to pool expertise and to speed up dealmaking.
The UK vote has led to turmoil in European financial markets, but Swiss bankers believe they could benefit as investors seek havens to invest their money.
“Switzerland’s financial centre...generally benefits from any type of uncertainty — with the caveat that an unstable relationship between the UK and Europe and an unstable Europe are not beneficial for neighbouring financial centres,” Mr Odier said.
Uncertainly about Switzerland’s future relationship with the EU was a “big unresolved challenge”, he added
>>80253897
>>80253933
>can't screencap
>calls others cucks
>>80254043
kek as i said unioncucks will NEVER recover from the brit-swiss humiliation
>>80253382
Yes Please Mr cheese
>>80253270
Toplel
>>80253270
Based Mountain Jews
I guess Nigel praising Switzerland paid off.
Godspeed bong/cheese alliance.
>>80254322
just bend over slowly
Are you guys really surprised by this?
>>80255235
>Update
i'm not
>>80255235
union cuck media is obsessively telling them the uk is fucked
contrary evidence scares and confuses them making it funny to post
>>80253382
Kinky.
In a few years Europe will be ruled by the Anglo-Swiss alliance
>>80255776
This tbqh.
I'm surprised the FT is even covering it, they were stupidly pro-Remain.
>>80253270
you mean the same swiss that accept freedom of movement and pay contributions to the EU? the same swiss that have a """""""""""""free trade""""""""""""" deal with china that allows china to assrape them as they wish?
>mfw the UK becomes a giant tax haven on Europe's border if they don't grant us no-tariff access to the single market
Can't wait for Deutsche Bank to collapse.
>>80257410
this would cause a global recession worse than 2008.
>>80257607
i can't wait
>>80257607
Exactly.
First you must destroy the old before you can start anew.
>>80255235
Yes, because the media has constantly been feeding us stories of fear and doom since the vote. Currency is crashing and they are saying we won't prosper outside EU, I'm seriously starting to doubt my vote.
>>80256950
the moutainjew is plotting for the next step to more money.
Free trade toblerone and Omegas when?
>>80257607
Yes.
And the exciting thing is, it is defiantly happening.
>>80256950
With the UK out we can form a formidable counter-bloc and bend the EU over on free movement. The Swiss don't want it, we don't want it, and the Norwegians probably don't want it. I suspect we'll be able to force the EU to cave on the issue. Time will tell. But you're up against world dominating jews here.
>>80258081
I'm frankly rather looking forward to all these possibilities. We're headed straight off the cliff as things are, so we might as well see if we can't shake things up and come up with something even slightly more sensible.
My body is ready for it if that means the Jews get cranky and knock the economy around really badly. It's absurdly misallocated and overleveredged as it is anyhow.
>>80253270
So just kick the Swiss banks out of the EU market. Big fucking deal, they arent selling services anyway. The entire Swiss banking model is focused around managing other peoples money so that they can evade taxes. Switzerland has literally no fucking leverage. In fact, they heavily depend on the EU because more and more people are abandoning Swiss banks and get their money to Singapore and Hing Kong because either is less likely to be bullied by western authorities to give up information.
>>80253270
God damn that's brilliant.
>>80258532
>mfw the Germancuck doesn't know banking is only like 7% of our GDP
>>80258081
>With the UK out we can form a formidable counter-bloc
You already tried that 50 years ago with the EFTA, and you were so successful with it that you had to leave it and join the EC.
>>80259189
Our politicians have been EU cucks since the beginning. They still want to be in, the problem for them is the people don't and free movement is a big part of why.
>>80259107
I dont see what this has to do with my post. I simply pointed out that the Swiss banks have no leverage to pull underhanded shit like this. Nowhere did I imply that Switzerland goes to shit if we cock-block its banks. Besides, the term 'only' is not really what you want to use when its 7% of your GDP. Would also appreciate if you were to provide a source for that claim.
>>80259428
>>80258532
mad because your parents moved away from eastern anatolia and you now have to live among cucks in berlin? lol özgür is mad.
>>80259428
>turkmany 10 times the size of glorious switzerland
>same number of banks in the top 50
kek özgür
>>80259428
but little did he know https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_global_systemrelevanter_Banken
>>80259347
>Our politicians have been EU cucks since the beginning
Actually, no.
You guys set up the EFTA in the 1960's to act as a counterweight to the EC, and it was a major failure.
You then decided to join the EC so you could push your agendas from within.
Your politicians aren't cucks, they knew what they were doing, and most importantly, 67% of you voted by referendum to remain in the EC in 1975.
>muh democracy
Ever since, and especially since Thatcher, the UK have been fucking up the whole thing, blocking every step toward a unification, even though you willingfully joined an ongoing process whose goals were crystal clear to all its founding members.
You're one of the reasons the EU is being heavily criticized nowadays: you did your best in the last 30 years to take it off tracks and turn it into a hollow neoliberal heaven.
Most Europeans are glad you're out tbfh, because you won't be able to do that anymore.
You want to keep living in a time long passed and prevent the Hasburg invading Britain, be my guest.
The rest of us will just move on to secure our common values in a globalised and diverse world.
See you back in 30 years.
>>80261672
>>80262015
What exactly is either of these posts supposed to tell me? And how are they related to what I said?
>>80253382
>>80253270
can i join?
>>80263217
that you can't cock-block banks that are too big to fail
>>80263422
What are you even talking about? Cock blocking them from under-handed shit like this doesnt lead to them going bankrupt. In fact, it simply encourages them to stop trying shit like this or else they'll lose a shit ton of their revenue.
>>80262623
EFTA was a success, it just wasn't as successful as the EC. It only started to falter after we and some of the others joined the EU.
> 67% of you voted by referendum to remain in the EC in 1975.
Because in 1975 the people were told it was a purely economic arrangement. Pic related was the actual ballot. The people would never have agreed to political union.
> Ever since, and especially since Thatcher, the UK have been fucking up the whole thing, blocking every step toward a unification
I don't deny we're been the most eurosceptic nation in the union, we were always in this for the money. But Tony Blair was just as into this European project as the most insane people in Brussels.
> You want to keep living in a time long passed and prevent the Hasburg invading Britain, be my guest.
I simply want to live in a country where my politicians are accountable to me and our local interests are a priority. More democracy, more freedom, less centralisation of power is always better.
> The rest of us will just move on to secure our common values in a globalised and diverse world.
Somehow I don't envy the cultural enrichment going on in France these days. I look forward to seeing how that works out for you.
>>80262623
>crystal clear to its founding members
Too bad they forgot to tell their voters and had to bring a million shitskins to prevent them from stopping them.
>>80263892
yeah but if they lose a shit ton of revenue, guess what will happen.
>>80253382
I like swiss stance on Eu, also want wife.
Swiss is better Germany.
>>80253270
faggot OP. make an archive here: Archive.is
>>80257761
You're either stupid or a shill then.
>>80253382
y-you too
>>80263892
>özgür thinks the fact that the BIS is in switzerland is pure coincidence
einmal machen kebab mit scharf
Daily reminder that the cucks that voted leave because of financial reasons should get their voting rights revoked.
The leave/remain referendum was a matter of principles and what future direction the country should take. Not a matter of financial direction.
If it were a matter of finances a public vote is retarded and should not be allowed.
>>80253270
Wow, you have now have a free trade agreement to the ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE Swiss market. How can we ever recover?
>>80264940
From the immigrants? Not at all I guess.
>>80264742
>cucks hating democracy when something they don't like is democratically passed
can uk cuck thinks we need him? all we need is strong germany and france. you are merely passanger in europe. your economy is dependand on rest of europe and if we decide to destroy your little country econimicaly we will fucking do it in 2 weeks. just shut the fuck up idiot and fuck off. nobody cares about you. you will regret your decision to leave, enjoy being hungry cunt.
>>80262623
>You want to keep living in a time long passed and prevent the Hasburg invading Britain, be my guest.
>The rest of us will just move on to secure our common values in a globalised and diverse world.
Is this your future globalized and diverse world? You're welcome to it.
>>80265821
Forgot pic
>>80257607
Yeah. Congrats on inviting mehmet over to enjoy the scarcity that is to come.
>>80264940
This is the thing I don't get either. Supposedly leaving EU fucks them up economically, but wouldn't leaving EU restrictions and allowing your own country to trade with whoever you want with your own agreements be better for the economy?
Not sure why there is so much doom and gloom.
>>80265383
Oh don't get me wrong. I think leave was the correct choice. I'm just getting triggered by all these crybabies whining about the economy for a choice that should be made regardless of the outcome on the economy.
>>80258015
DEFINITELY
>>80266326
The economic arguments are mainly from remain. Leaving is certainly not good for our short term economic health. The refutation is better long term prospects with freedom to arrange trade with the world.
>>80266025
>>80266326
All of the "Oy vey leaving the EU will ruin your economy!" is just fear mongering from the globalist kikes. Short term England will take a hit, long term they will be better off.
>>80253270
Gott strafe England
>>80265975
Leave the eu senpai
Or you will be ultimate cucks forever
>>80266828
Er strafe es
>>80264228
i dont think you can its behind a paywall
i posted the full text tho read the thread
>>80254043
still salty that we've sunk your union? Jeezo lad, get over it.
>>80253897
>Switzerland, London, Hong Kong and Singapore
How can the rest of the world even compete?
>>80263944
>EFTA was a success
EFTA was established as a counterweight to the EC, it failed at this purpose.
There's literally no arguing to be had about that.
It still serves a purpose for those still in it, but it didn't achieve its original goal.
>Because in 1975 the people were told it was a purely economic arrangement.
Well it wasn't, and everyone knew it.
I refuse to believe the British people in the 70's would be as gullible and uneducated as you imply though.
I rather think that the turning point clearly is Thatcher and the rise of neoliberal policies and the cultural and societal impacts it had on Britain's society.
Even though England have always been more culturally insular, from that moment and on, the English people truly became hostiles to the European project they joined.
>I simply want to live in a country where my politicians are accountable to me and our local interests are a priority. More democracy, more freedom, less centralisation of power is always better.
You don't burn down Westminster and secedes from the Crown every time something's wrong in the country, do you?
You rather reform it and fix the problem.
The main problem though is that the UK is precisely the one that have been blocking any kind of political reform in the EU that would've granted more democratic control over its institutions, because it inherently implies to deepen the unification process, for several reasons.
Considering this, that the British people would complain about the lack of democratic control is just plainly illogical and/or hypocritical.
That truly is my main grief about Brexit: it's intellectually retarded.
>Somehow I don't envy the cultural enrichment going on in France these days. I look forward to seeing how that works out for you.
Immigration is a whole different topic, I'm talking about key societal and cultural layouts.
Closing borders is easy, securing your society against a dominant superpower is not.
>>80263980
>Too bad they forgot to tell their voters
They didn't, it's written black on white in treaties, and everyone was aware of it in the 50's.
If you're uneducated, it's your own dumb fault (well, partly).
>>80265821
>Is this your future globalized and diverse world?
My future is not letting my culture and way of life be either dictated or altered by global powers such as the US, China and a couple more potential emergent powers.
If you don't believe Europeans are sharing fundamental values and principles about society, individuals, the economy, the role of the State and much more, I'd urge you to spend more time travelling the world then coming back.
Europeans have a very specific socioeconomic fabric.
>>80268794
>It's written in treaties we were going to usurp your political powers by means of future treaties which we will make you vote again and again until you agree
Yeah, nah, nigger.
Also
>My future is not letting my culture and way of life be either dictated or altered by global powers such as the US, China and a couple more potential emergent powers.
Instead, shitkins will do that. Sounds like the EU was a success.
>>80268794
>If you don't believe Europeans are sharing fundamental values and principles about society, individuals, the economy, the role of the State and much more, I'd urge you to spend more time travelling the world then coming back.
KEK. You seriously believe that whole of Europe shares French values Liberty, egality, brotherhood? There are fundamental differences for example how Germans, Scandinavians, Poles view society. Poles are pretty liberal and in general are against any gibmedats, and want minimal government (mostly), Scandinavians believe in government providing all social needs and that they are part of the government. Germans want free choice, but well regulated (look up german healthcare system). Government is to provide order nad ensure smooth sailing of society. What I'm saying here there are fundamental differences how each nations in Europe view role of the government. Thus we can speed up to a conclusion that forcing views of larger EU nations how democracy and society should look on other nation is not going to work. Eu has to respect these differences or it will fail like any other union that did same mistakes (Kalmar union etc.)
>>80253382
>>80253270
you both have pluses on your flegs
>>80269179
>>80269319
Please refrain from wasting my time if you've got the education of a 11 year-old Bengali.
>>80269791
Go promote the establishement of something similar to the NHS in the US along the societal idea that no one should be left out because he's out of cash, and tell me how it goes for you.
You obviously haven't studied and/or travelled much, Szymon.
>>80267784
no, icefriend
we ARE the eu
>>80270436
You obviously don't know Polish NHS, it's basically if you don't fight with your arms and legs you gonna get left behind (and possibly dead).For example, survivability in cancer is one of the worst ine Europe, you simply die before you get a term for a surgery or chemo. Only option often is to go private.
There is no NHS in US just different healthcare programs targeted at specific socioeconomic group such as Veteran affairs, Medicare, Mediaid etc.
>>80254043
This is what you have been reduced to.
>>80270436
Nobody in the US who shows up in the ER goes without care except in shitty places where the hospital can't keep up with demand or you have shitty people don't triage properly. Payment isn't even discussed up front unless you're bored and want to do more paperwork while you're waiting.
What most people are really against is loss of control, profiteering, the cost if it when you're trying to be a decent person and not a welch, having to pay jew lawyers to jew your money for you so the hospital jew can't take it, etc.
>>80262623
That's one beautiful map.
Makes me damn proud.
>>80271173
I'm obviously grossly generalizing to illustrate the very foundations of societies: the US are individualistic by nature and personal responsibility is the cardinal virtue, Europe has a more collective approach, while England is inbetween.
>>80270992
I'm not talking about efficiency but about the very idea behind it.
See above.
Incidentally, regarding efficiency, I can't tell about the Polish healthcare as I never had to use it, but most of Europe is doing quite okay, see pic, bottom table.
Is switzerland the best country in the world right now?
>>80272887
we've always been friend
>>80256718
I love you based medkit
>>80272668
It's not entirely true, if you've been to states you would see that there are quite huge differences regarding individuality and collectivity. You can't lump US into one big basket, althrough US is more ideologically uniform as it is one state and interstate mobility has been much higher than mobility between different EU countries for far longer.
In Poland (mind you this is generalization), we believe that we should help others and provide very basic healthcare safety net. It should be last resort you use, before exhausting other options. Primarily responsibility lies on the individual, then family, societal organisations such as charities and after that it is responsibility of the government.
Regarding Finland (I'm also half-finn), the approach is that the nail standing down will be hammered down, this leads towards extreme collectivism, not even seen in France or Germany. Finns are more like asians in this regards. Althrough instead of Family the burden goes more first to the state and after that to the family, and as last resort to the societal organisations.
>>80274113
Your description of Poland is a lot like how the traditional European-stock Americans think. I make more money than I need to survive, and I'm more than happy to help pay for some safety nets because sometimes fucked up things happen. A friend of mind wound up with a $100k emergency that wasn't his fault, and neither he nor his family could pay for that, so he had to apply and quality for government assistance, and it pretty much all got taken care of.
But you're right that there are plenty of other groups of people here who think differently about how to run things. A lot of people either think that free stuff is free, or that it's not your responsibility to voluntarily lend a hand to those in need, or whatever else.
This has been a good year.
>>80272668
Also I would add perception of democracy as something different in each EU country.
In Poland we like strong leadership, we are more american in this way, and more likely two party system would work better in Poland, (perhaps voting system more similar to that in the UK). In Finland you can see unimaginable amount of collective thinking, which doesn't always turn out to be best. For example previous government (PM Jyrki Katainen) was leader of government coalition of six parties. Six!! From left to right, this is something impossible to imagine in French politics etc.
What Finns value on the other hand is consensus-politics meaning that everyone's voice needs to be heard and we modify laws according to everyone's wishes, thou everyone will have to make compromises.
In Poland more European style is followed, meaning that the majority will force it's view on minority, however if majority so wishes it will listen to the voices of opposition.
I'm just comparing two countries, but it's case and point each European country is very different and you can't force values of different country over another, we must stick to the lowest common denominator, otherwise EU will fail.
