Shlomo loves MGTOW because it degenerates people who could have contributed. Instead their 'red pill' sends people down the selfish path of individualism.
Those people end up taking pride in ending their heritage, sometimes even complaining about other degeneracy, despite their actions leading to the same goal.
They believe in retarded shit like
>world is overpopulated anyway
>sperm donations
>vidya + porn = good life
And on top of that they even claim to be redpilled.
MGTOWs aren't better than the trans-shits, at best, they look a little better and begin indoctrination later on.
How do we cure those faggots and prevent them from claiming more innocent young men?
>>79815542
>driving down the value of pussy
>bad
No. The price of pussy is the driver of Feminism. It's not a choice I hope anyone here makes, but they're useful allies in forcing the pendulum to swing to the Right.
i grew out of my mgtow phase once i realized those fuckers are just bitter man children. that said they do have some valid points about women, but identifying as mgtow is just autistic.
>>79815896
It's about more than just pussy. Monogamy should be the ideal anyway.
Also the right is only our ally for now because they use logic. They will not make the sacrifices needed to end globalism because they are too caught up in (((money)))
>we're working on driving down the price of pussy
>NEETS paying millions to girls for ONLY streaming games and talking
good luck with your hopeless bullshit. nature always wins over desperate men and there will always be betas who only talk big online.
>>79816116
That's why they have to be shown that there is more to life than just sticking their dick in a hole and looking at boobs
>>79816086
>Also the right is only our ally for now because they use logic. They will not make the sacrifices needed to end globalism because they are too caught up in (((money)))
Well yeah, there is a reason /pol/ used to like Ron Paul.
>>79816116
That's fine. The more in the flesh relationships recede the more people will be willing to demand commitment and monogamy.
>>79815542
Well they're not wrong about marriage. It's a trap.
>>79816421
no, you still get nothing but 25% of men fucking 75% of women while betas now pay into their pocket getting no sex at all
>>79815542
>world is overpopulated anyway
100% right. We could really dispose of blacks, mexicans and kikes with no consequences.
>>79816421
didn't think about it that way. But I feel like it creates more wizards because they keep telling each other how good it is to be alone, just like a tranny convinces itself that it should really be some other gender.
>>79816576
If you make a poor choice, yes.
>>79816687
Your living standard is based on those slaves. This includes immigrants. Our system depends on importing cheap labour/products.
You're still right, though. The real issue, however, is that they think this applies to whites as it does to native americans or dindus. There are differences to be made
>>79816842
Welp, it is a problem if it is so.
And for slaves kikes are way too united. You can't really effectively use slaves if they plot behind your back and try to manipulate you. And I think that erasing them as nation is way easier than splitting and enslaving.
>>79815542
Make dating and just existence in general not so fucking awful.
Basically stop the Marxists and MGTOW will cease.
>>79817062
yeah, no I wasn't referring to them. It's quite the opposite of course with some.
I was talking about the poor nations. If you want to preserve your culture and heritage, and don't want your country flooded with migrants, you have lower your standards considerably. people who grow up in the wealthy system (natives and children of immigrants) are much less likely to take the 'dirty' jobs, so you have to keep bringing in more people. This becomes much more significant if you stop multinationals from abusing them in their homelands, because everything becomes even more expensive here then.
>>79816700
>didn't think about it that way. But I feel like it creates more wizards because they keep telling each other how good it is to be alone, just like a tranny convinces itself that it should really be some other gender.
Hmm. Possibly.
>>79816608
As opposed to, what? Becoming a meal ticket? You're kind of arguing about your own point here, man.
>>79817421
The latter is just a bit more difficult to achieve.
To control MGTOW would be a great help to do that though.
Wanting to cure MGTOW is like asking the world to be rife with cuckoldry, divorce rape, and white knights as far as the eye can see. The only cure for MGTOW is to make women less shitty, and that's not happening in our lifetimes.
>>79817895
You'll just have to not go with the shitty women. The problem is that MGTOWs advocate quitting them altogether.
See >>79817610
Why do you want to cure them? Let them do their thing. Do we have to cure nuns too?
Society profits if there are less men than women availably on the sexual market.
>>79817610
reminder Donald Trump's on his third marriage
>>79816576
>Well they're not wrong about marriage. It's a trap.
You need to treat them like an Arab.
Put a trap at the kitchen exit!
Women want to be controlled, it's your own fault if you act like a beta!
>>79815542
Finally a group of /pol/ocks that agree with me on this issue.
I fucking hate MGTOW and their worship of that mustard yellow manlet choad monkey called Elliot Rodger.
They did more damage to the Men's Rights movement, despite MGTOW not being an equal rights movement, than any Feminist cunt could ever dream of doing.
>>79815542
as with all social problems they can be cured by STOPPING FUCKING WELFARE
if women cant just get on child assistance or alimony they'll stop acting so horrible
>>79815542
>literally a virgin
>cant find a woman
>achmeds are raping his women
>muslim is great
>MGTOW are the evil people
>(((ID: J8W...)))
>>79817610
>>79818070
>The le traditional woman meme
Where will people see that this is just a lie? Woman no matter how good or how pure she will may seem will turn the second she finds something better.
>>79818203
Because it kills our heritage, Hans!
I can't get a million babies by myself
>>79818244
>>79818392
>>79818431
Here come the cucks celebrating their cuckoldry
>>79818392
>>79818431
(((You)))
>>79817429
You seem have similiar thoughts than I do.
Got any book recommendations? I decided to start solving this puzzle.
> implying autists like myself can just go out and get a wife if they tried
Let Achmed impregnate all your women hans.
>>79818604
>implying you are actually autistic and not just a lazy fuck
>>79818542
Didn't even read books on this. I just listen to presentations of different perspectives and opinions and have discussions. Check out Varg Vikernes on youtube, he has a lot to say about traditionalism, though I do not agree with him on quitting society entirely
>>79818070
>MGTOWs advocate quitting them altogether.
no they don't.
>>79818760
maybe not all, but that's what most take away from it.
hence the image of women as the devil and all the crying others not showing responsibility, when they themselves are genetically wired to do it for them
>>79815542
I'm not MGTOW but the current situation regarding women is irreparably shitty. We'd need a do-over on the last 100 or so years of women's rights in order to get back on the right track.
>>79815542
It's simple: men have to have high standards for themselves.
The problem with MGTOW is that western women in general have devolved into a generation of whores, but the solution isn't abstaining from whores, but going after the solely non-whores in society.
If western men adopt these values, women will look upon themselves as they approach 30, realizing the extent of their own failures, and will either ship up and change their ways or fade into obscurity.
If you want to break a horse, you don't kill it. You starve it for a few days until it becomes open to suggestion.
>>79818741
I've been following his channel also. Great stuff.
I'm in a situation, where all the great perspectives, opinions, ideas and truths (redpills) are getting a bit heavy. I need to enhance my self deeper in to the core of information, so I can handle and refine it all to one distilled, ready product to enjoy and share it with others.
>>79819091
You're asking men not to go after cheap, easy pussy. That's like telling a dog not to eat the steak after you leave it in your bowl.
Most dudes don't realize they're being taken for a ride until it's too late. What we really need is some good ol' fashioned shame and ostracism. If it's becomes unpopular for women to act like whores, they'll stop, because to them being ostracised is worse than death.
>>79819091
I agree. So you have to take away their fake red pill somehow.
Also getting to the younger women would be ideal since 30 is getting a little old. Many just turn bitter
>>79819216
Yup, I try to keep things as simple as possible by setting nature and honor as base for all thought, which puts me either in some sort of tribalism (for nature) or a form of national socialism (for society and modern times) although these are of course only the ideals, unrealistic ones at this point.
>>79819225
Men aren't dogs. They have the capacity to reason that goes above and beyond mere instinct.
I'd say it's more akin to telling a man to go after healty foods, rather than going after cheap, tasty fast food that'll kill them slowly when they eat it.
And yes, social shaming and ostracism is badass, and I think it goes in line with what I hope to accomplish.
>>79819225
>You're asking men not to go after cheap, easy pussy. That's like telling a dog not to eat the steak
More like a pile of shit, not a steak.
Your talking of boys, not ''men''.
Minority of males really understand that what is it really about to be a man. This worries me.
>>79815542
Fix women. Good luck with that.
>>79818507
Yes you can. This is what we men are designed for, this is why we shoot millions of these fuckers at once.
Our heritage is not killed by us men who won't fuck to procreate, it is killed by our government.
>>79819518
Regardless of how attractive a woman might be, the street value of pussy drops sharply at age thirty.
If a woman's still single by that age, she'll break down and change her game if she doesn't want to hit 40 and single, which will forever eliminate her from the market of hot young guys and render her a cumdumpster for the desperate and divorced.
Either way, we win. They either get scraped from society and the gene pool or they get back in touch with their femininity and start acting like ladies again.
>>79817610
>MGTOW
>any single mother I want
>>79819596
The (((government))) creates men who don't value their heritage. In that sense yes, but ultimately it's about the people being greedy, selfish and ignorant. The governemnt won't change by itself, it first takes people to want that change
>>79818070
They provide no additional value to life and pairing up with one is a financial deathtrap with an emotional trigger. Do you, bro, but I'm fine by myself.
>>79815542
>I dont like men who do what they wanbt, spend their own money instead of buying me drinks and enabling my ego so I can turn them down and fuck better looking men.
K.
>>79819760
Single mothers are whores. Please don't fuck whores; it only adds to their whorishness.
>>79819911
lol I don't. That's not even her kid in the photo.
>>79819735
>at 20 you pick and chose
>at 30 you are on sale
>at 40 you take what you can
>at 50 nobody wants you
If it takes to long for them to realize this, we lose too.
>>79819818
They are vital for our people's survival. Stop your individualism bullshit and think beyond your own body.
same goes for >>79819887
why are you even on this board if you are just going to be a puppet for the kikes
It's just fat neckbeards who finally realised that being nice won't attract women. So instead of bettering themselves and trying again, they delude themselves into thinking avoiding all women is enlightened.
>>79815542
When betas stop putting pussy on a pedestal. When the courts stop discriminating against men. When women significantly reduce their demands OR they start making the first move . When age of consent laws become sensible. When women start getting married again instead of pursuing "education".
>>79815542
Most MGTOW have no idea how to socially function.
Sure they can 'manage', but they generally act autistic and are like the socialists who think that theory translates into reality.
I don't know many MGTOW who identify as MGTOW when they actually learn how to get laid.
>>79820031
Not if we spend our time pursuing good women. They exist, even if you have to travel far outside your immediate social circle.
Anyone can change their ways, even whores. Especially a lonely, aging whore.
>>79820228
How many have you met?
>>79815542
Completely agree
Mgtows are hopeless manchildren
Just listen to this salty mgtow who makes videos every 6 hours to respond to his loser clan. Yes he does talk like a complete sperg in every video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Xs5XWcoNM
>>79820146
>>79820228
>>79820322
I say they poison people who could have become good. You aren't born beta, you become beta. maybe some have a predisposition but it's not all destiny.
>>79820279
of course. I understood this, bringing it to the people is the issue. If those lonely ageing whores would contribute to educate others with this.. ooh
>>79815542
It's just retards trying to justify how women arent interested in them.
They either get some game and get out of the rut, they exclude themselves out of the gene pool, dont reproduce, and die, or they kill themselves.
The issue will handle itself.
>>79819792
Strip women of their vote and you'll preserve your heritage. This is the only option.
It is womens nature that ruins our heritage and without violence you can't reverse it. Just have a look what women are voting for. Just have a look what outcome our elections would have if we ingore the womens vote.
>>79820456
you wouldn't say the same about regressive feminists though, would you? They afflict the young and take a part of our people with that.
Combine all those movements, especially with the mainstream, and your shit goes downhill.
>>79820460
It's true but we are not in the position to do so. There is no king, and it's not me.
You have to make people understand and to end such deep 'equality' is nigh impossible for now.
>>79820630
Hmm. You've got a point there.
>>79820322
He talks like a faggot because he's dyslexic or something. But some of his videos are really good. Don't judge a book by its cover.
>>79817610
That subtle interracial couple.
divorce proceedings are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US
why would you marry? the woman would get either half your money of get reimbursed by tax dollars
just travel to thailand and pump and dump some SE asian whore if you care so much about the gene pool
>>79821409
>race mixing
>preserving genes
to care about your people, not yourself.
>>79815542
its too late
whites are finished
enjoy your one life before the world burns
dont let some sjw bitch ruin your only chance to live free
>>79821610
your people supported the importation of 2 million arabs alongside the 1.5 million turks already in your country at worst, and were apathetic about it at least
your people are the ones who chant "refugees welcome"
your people are the ones who vote for socialists
the people who care about preserving the gene pool are, at best, a minority
there isn't a single european country where you wouldn't get fucked over by the court of "equity" (another jewish term) or whatever the fuck court takes care of divorce cases
unless a fascist government which pushes for family values takes over, there will be no reason to ever marry
>>79815542
Starve them from their supply of Bleached Asian Waifus
>>79821746
defeatism is failure
+what makes you think I'd fall for an SJW bitch
>>79821812
My people was brainwashed, what you see in the news is not the german people.
As for the last point: We tried it once, but too many outside were just as brainwashed. These days we have the means to enlighten people globally through the internet and prevent the forceful breaking down of such a government.
Everyone who fights for their own people is an ally (unless there is imperialism of course)
>>79820031
If these whores are "vital" to anything except rising STD rates, you're in for a fucking disappointment. I'm not giving up half of what little I have because somebody has a mood issue. You wanna get took in the Divorce Olympics, have at it. But I'm out.
Well, the type of men who are MGTOW werent ever really going to get a wife in the first place, so we shoudl just let them be. They wouldnt have been married even if they werent MGTOW.
>>79822136
marrying and having children now is counter-productive
divorce proceedings will be paid by either you or the taxpayer
bureaucratic social services will push for more diversity propaganda in kindergarten and schools, again, funded by the taxpayer
you working to maintain that family will have to pay like 70% tax to maintain the broken system which supports the sand niggers more than it does germans
now is not the time to have families, and even if you do, you're poison to fall to the jewish propaganda machine
>not marrying a white homely girl and living in the countryside where the locals look in disgust at a dark skin
My Mrs once had a single Pakistani friend and is now disgusted by anything not white.
>>79822138
Women haven't always been like that. They aren't inherently evil creatures.
I will not get divorced because I am capable of looking ahead. Obviously you don't go for the whores, then gradually the whores will disappear, and younger generations don't grow up to become whores. Such is the ideal
>>79822229
see>>79820630
>>79822335
if now is not the time, when is it? Things won't better themselves without anyone to force change. You are asking to give up now, which is to immediately surrender to the machine
>>79815542
Generally they are right. But whenever something becomes a conceptual lifestyle with a fucking acronym, it is officially cancer.
Also fuck them, just like any other social movement, bunch of faggots in denial.
>>79822513
women will age until they're 30+ and no longer desirable
men will continue to get richer until their 40s, 50s and when the time is right marry a 20 year old girl
When you sort the quality of women out the problem will sort itself out and give betas an excuse to actually sort their shit out and chase them again. Although I'd stay as far away from any self appointed MGTOW sperglord as possible, I'm probably one by definition now.
I used to date a lot when I was younger and had a long-term partner I got engaged to but dumped her because she turned to shit and got the same bug corrupting young women. It's not the slut issue because there's always going to be sluts but the rest of it, the false sense of ambition, the attitude, the restlessness. I've seen the same across all the younger generations. Used to be a decent person and then got it into her head that she 'needed' a career and to go to uni and to keep chasing a lifestyle she thought she wanted from seeing it on TV. The last year of that relationship was just a car crash in slow motion until I couldn't take any more of it and got out of it.
I dated around but with younger women in my mid twenties but they're just crap. Selfish, have the attention span of a child, don't get off their phones and are about as rude and blunt as it gets. There's just nothing attractive there any more for the amount of time put in. I've just lost the desire to chase them anymore now and have been single for 4 years with no interest in changing it anymore. Might just go fuck about with some foreign whores and get them pregnant for the sake of continuing on my bloodline but I just can't see what can be changed or will make most western women worth the effort again.
We're not going to be able to get rid of MRA/MGTOW types until we've dealt with that issue and I just can't see a realistic solution.
>>79822587
there will be no/not enough 20yo girls who aren't degenerate by that time. It is our responsibility to make them
>>79822671
your own government does everything in its power to stop that
the whole world is heading towards a giant human farm
![1316817517158[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BgNZwi0.jpg "1316817517158[1].jpg")
>>79820322
>robots will one day wipe out the need for women
>why people say MGTOW are crazy???
:/
>>79815542
I made a thread about this a few nights back, but the mods found it "off-topic" and banned me over it, despite the fact that I was addressing cultural Marxism, the cultural revolution of the 1960s, and various sociopolitical movements. I'll try and summarize the point I was making.
MGTOW is inherently bad for western society, birth rates are plummeting and history shows us what happens when sexual promiscuity becomes the norm, divorce becomes easy, and men start opting out of marriage in general.
Despite the fact that nobody SHOULD want men opting out of marriage, the MGTOW crowd is right in most of their criticisms.
Women have become whores, women do initiate most divorces, divorce does screw over men, etc.
To "cure" MGTOW, we have to fundamentally address what they have accurately identified as problems in society.
We need to address promiscuity and the de-stigmatization of adultery. We need to start advocating for the repeal of no-fault divorce laws, family court reform, and speak out against the dismissal of prenups.
While doing that we should extend an olive branch to some of the MGTOW crowd. We should speak out against marrying non-virgins, while condemning PUAs and the "dude casual sex lmao" crowd.
>>79822523
>Generally they are right. But whenever something becomes a conceptual lifestyle with a fucking acronym, it is officially cancer.
Basically, this.
They turned the natural response men were having to changing societal standards into a fucking "identity." Over time, if this had just been a growing natural trend, society would have slowly responded with corrective action to alleviate the suffering of men. However, this is not what happened. No.
Some assholes decided to confiscate this trend so that they could turn it into a fucking "movement." The result of this is that a previously powerful force has now been neutered and trivialized into irrelevancy why some fucking neckbeards who hate women.
>>79822618
This is why we need traditionalism.
>>79822748
Again, you are calling for surrender, which means failure
>>79822786
read the thread
>>79821812
>unless a fascist government which pushes for family values takes over, there will be no reason to ever marry
>tfw it's happening in my country RIGHT NOW
>>79822897
I call for radical reform by means of a fascist or reactionary revolution
supporting the current system adds fuel to the degenerating fire
>>79822786
>>robots will one day wipe out the need for women
>A Japanese sex festival was over prematurely as herds of virtual porn fans caused overcrowding fears. Streams of locals were looking to get their hands on the latest inventions from the adult entertainment industry in the first festival of its kind -- the Adult VR Fest 01 in the Akihabara region of Tokyo. But fans of virtual reality porn, which re-enacts sex and other acts using a blend of simulation headsets, male-friendly sex toys and other gadgets, were left disappointed as the event was shut down due to unprecedented popularity.
A Japanese reporter told VR Talk: "For those who did get to go inside, excitement ran wild. I'm not entirely sure if the same thing would happen in the U.S., but VR porn enthusiasts rushed to have a go at some of the latest virtual reality gadgets." About 20 fans were able to make it inside, but the event was reportedly called off due to the unsettling crowds gathered outside. VR Talk also reported that Google searches for the phrase 'VR Porn' have soared nearly 10,000%.
You think things are bad now? Well, you're right....
Only, things are worse than you know....
>Premature evacuation: Sex festival (Japan robot-sex show) is forced to shut down early because too many people arrived to try out virtual reality porn
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673579/Virtual-reality-porn-event-Adult-VR-Fest-01-Akihabara-Tokyo-postponed-overcrowding-premature-evacuation.html#ixzz4DT5gUSF3
>>79822513
I'm not dating bitches from the 1800's, bro. I have to deal with today's average whore and it's always a losing hand. You'll get divorced when every other man does; as soon as your wife feels like it. And you won't be able to say shit about it.
>>79822953
wish you well
The only answer is a wide, systematic change though because even if you retain a few 'good' or 'traditional' ones their value gets inflated to massive levels and half the problem fuelling the current generation is an inflated sense of self worth. If even bottom tier women and sluts feel like they have power to pick and choose then how do you think it's going to end with the ones that are genuinely highly desirable? Their value goes through the roof and they have more power and sense of being in a buyers market than ever before.
Creating market bubbles like that is going to make the problem even more extreme, not cure it.
>>79819225
>If it's becomes unpopular for women to act like whores, they'll stop, because to them being ostracised is worse than death.
But they already think that "society" hates women for having sex. They talk about it 24/7, 365 days a year. They genuinely think they are persecuted.
Yes, we need to shame women for being sluts and whores again, but I can't see it happening - especially since "alpha males" and traditionalist keyboard warriors vehemently disagree with me that we should shame women in the first place. Young males cannot comprehend the concept of holding women accountable for their actions.
>>79815542
MGTOW is a symptom.
The disease is feminism, from Cultural Marxism.
Cure the disease, the symptom goes away.
>>79822846
exactly. On an individual level they are right, but individualism is the death of nations and virtue. They call selfishness 'smart' and pretend that that is a good thing.
I like your ideas.
>>79823009
Right. But getting children does not support the system if you raise them correctly. The upcoming european civil war might allow us to build that state.
>>79823062
Why are you so settled on choosing the average slut? And why are you projecting
I'm MGTOW and don't believe any of those things
>>79815542
The world IS over populated you moron.
Do you really want to live in a world that looks like a never ending metropolis and you cant be alone anywhere for just a second?
>>79823228
Maybe you have all day to search high and low for perfect pussy, or live next to a virgin princess factory, but I have things to do, like earn a living. I'm settled on not choosing and, for some reason, you can't handle that. Let me know how that divorce goes.
>>79822846
I agree for the most part, but mgtow have nothing to do with low birthrates. Those have been plummeting ever since feminism made an appearance. MGTOW is just a reactionary movement that ultimately doesn't change much. MGTOW is an individual decision, you can be an ugly guy who's just sick of constantly being rejected so he's like "you know what, I'm not gonna chase them anymore, I'm just giving them an ego boost without getting anything in return", or you can be a handsome guy who saw how superficial women are and decided that relationships are a lie.
>>79823188
Yes, but once that change happens (and to make it happen you need as many people as possible, so to at least educate them is important) that system has to run as well. People need to accept the change.
>>79823315
not by my people. If trends continue, it will be underpopulated by my people.
Equating humans in general with any culture is the flaw of the overpopulation statement.
>>79823363
then what is your purpose? Do you have no other goal than surviving in the system and feeding it?
There are 2 main problems that cause MGTOW to exist:
1.Legal\social system being feminist and giving women the upper hand in any conflict particularly if they are married. Some men are willing to knowingly stick their dick in a grinder (proverbial or literal) hoping its off but most are too smart for that.
2. Ideological emptiness (and worse) of western world. In the world of normies and mainstream politics, there is just no reason to have children. And i don't just mean the stupid overpopulation meme. I mean that no one cares about the country's future, nationalism is evul, white guilt is good, and you don't need children to support you when old because welfare state will pay you regardless if you have any, housing is expensive, economy is bad, you need to pay for housing and jizyabucks for rapefugees and so on.
And without a reason to have children, there is little reason to marry. Especially without good marriage material, and bad marriage material being willing and able to legally ruin you.
Get rid of 1, MGTOW loses its favorite argument.
Get rid of 2, MGTOW loses all its other arguments.
Most of 2 also applies not just to men but also women and lowers their desireability for men regardless if the men are affected by 1 or 2 themselves.
>>79823449
I'm trying to fix the system before we have to destroy it.
>>79823379
MGTOW are contributing by placing the individual over the people. This is very simple
>>79823379
Oh, I'm not blaming MGTOW for low birth rates, they've been below replacement rate level for a while.
I do worry a bit about what birthrates and marriage rates will look like in 5-10 years assuming current trends continue (Feminism in courts, women being whores, and MGTOW gaining steam) though.
>>79823617
>MGTOW are contributing by placing the individual over the people.
>MGTOW are contributing to Westernism by doing what is quintessentially Western in nature.
>>79815542
Women are enormous spenders. No matter how you shame me I'm not opening up my wallet. That's the true goal of trying to attack mgtow. Women and jews/corporations are shit terrified of millenial trends away from big ticket items like new cars and mortgages.
Hold strong my friends, don't get in a relationship with any woman who is a shitty consumerist whore. Go for one who doesn't want things that you can buy and wants things you make together. Memories, happiness and children. Strong moral and religious foundations are the way.
>>79815542
I would have children, but I'm not gonna become pussywhipped to get there
I'm a Hikki shut in so I never had a chance anyway but why would any man go be cannon fodder for this RNG game?
>th-there are good women out there!
Then surely there aren't enough good women for everyone, why waste time and why bother?
I know it's horribly depressing, I used to dream of having a loving wife when I was younger too, I had it all pictured out in my head.
I can only hope I get some salvation in the next life because this one is so horribly corrupted.
The way women can be manipulated like a switch is quite horrifying.
OP this is a nice damage control thread ;^)
>>79823608
Awesome. Then the world needs more of you before the good die out and no one is left to uphold it.
>>79823599
Agree 100%
>>79823792
>implying western is good
>>79823879
>>implying western is good
Of course you Germans would find it bad. That is why you replaced Westernism with Sharia Law.
So progressive. So tolerant.
>>79823817
Agree. I just feel like mgtow mostly ignore the second part
>>79823859
>>79823867
wake up fellow Hanses, the fight is not over
>>79823955
i say every people for itself, no imperialism, no ownership of foreign ground
your western warmongering is what brought prosperity, then potential death to our people
>>79823879
Then be one and get to fixing. I can't train kids to do this shit. I have a hard enough time training somewhat rational adults. Modern women are fucking worthless wastes of skin with no sense of shame or loyalty. I'll avoid.
>>79823864
>Then surely there aren't enough good women for everyone, why waste time and why bother?
yeah but there are bad men out there too and bad women and men often find each other
>>79822873
Yes fucking goy, be LGBT, TRANS, MGTOW...
I WILL GIVE YOU CORRESPONDING ARMBAND WHEN TIME COMES.
HERE IS SHITTER, FB SUPPORT FOR YOU. JEWTUBE FOR PROPAGANDA.
COME AND GET YOURS GOY.
I'm not MGTOW but i'm 24 and im too busy boiling denim and banging whores to care about "m-muhhh gf" so please mind your own business. We will get into relationship shit when we're ready
>>79823449
"Equating humans in general with any culture is the flaw of the overpopulation statement"
German: "we need more Germans"
Any other culture: "We need more of us"
Result: overpopulation.
I guess you just can't see where the flaw really is.
>>79823617
what's better for the individual is ultimately better for society most of the time
>>79823955
Westernism is hell on earth to be honest
Everyday I plan my escape and everyday westernism takes a bit of my soul away. I'm withering away with the pit of hopelessness getting deeper and deeper. Sometimes I fantasize about sneaking away to the EU and posing as a muslim refugee
>>79824074
I hope you find it in your heart to see beyond the shallow bunch
>>79823864
when they see good men and what they want, they will change over time
>>79824201
I say we need enough of everyone, IN THEIR HOMELAND, just about replacement level.
Right now the poor people keep shitting out more poor people and the rich people fall into individualism and lose all honor
>>79824280
but not for the people/your heritage
>>79824134
yeah no.
>>79824316
>when they see good men and what they want, they will change over time
Not good enough, they can also revert.
What a complete waste of time and energy.
I am 24, I go out every single day, I see how the whole situation is, it discourages me greatly. These threads have a lot of femanon and traditionalist shills lurking in them, but still. I feel incredibly demoralized as a young male in western society seeing how women are, and how everything has degraded.
I don't think people really realize how hard it is these days to be a young male and fight an uphill battle. The Chads, women, the traditionalists, older people, none of them understand how truly hard it is to compete in a society and to want to contribute to a society that fucking hates your guts.
>>79824410
what are you fighting for? what's you purpose?
>>79824311
>sneaking away to the EU
>Every previous generation, every one of your forefathers, forged an identity for themselves and their nation out of the opportunities afforded by rugged individualism.
>Manifest destiny.
>2016: Men feel to disjointed and despondent to put in any effort to create anything for themselves or others. "Someone else will do it," they say.
Holy fuck are you are defeatist piece of shit. Everything that made the West great came from contrarian assholes who stood alone against the tide of bullshit they were adrift in during their age.
>"Maybe I should just run away. Having to pay a price for something I believe in is too difficult."
>>79815993
Who the fuck calls themselves mgtows?
That's like revealing your power level.
>>79824201
Stop saving the dindus from starvation, disease and themselves, and their population will stop going up.
>>79817421
your problem with dating is your brain is crippled by anxiety, introversion, hyper sensitivity to rejection, and addiction to instant gratification, because you are a perfect little goyim slave to the interjew
>>79824623
we are causing the starvation though. If they could live in peace without our retarded abuse and intervention things would stabilize.
>>79824738
good.
>>79815542
>people should live how I want them to
Typical of Germans and leftists. We really need to purge you.
>>79824410
>I am 24, I go out every single day, I see how the whole situation is, it discourages me greatly.
Your forefathers were discouraged when they heard about all the people who died before reaching the New World, but they still got on that fucking boat.
Your forefathers were discouraged when they landed, knowing that they had to effectively build a colony from scratch, but they still built it.
Your forefathers knew how hard it would be not only to build a nation, but also to exploit its vast riches.... but they did it anyway.
Your forefathers knew they were incapable of designing a glorious flag, so they settled on a fucking leaf.
>>79824786
when you were born, you were given something, you did not earn. It is not yours to give away. You ought not to be free but to preserve your heritage, because you do not own it. You are just holding it for a moment, and then give it to your children. The circle of life, my friend.
My only problem with them is that they openly encourage you to kill your children while they are still inside the womb of their mother, that's pretty sick.
>>79815542
I laugh so hard when virgins on /pol/ think sandman is MGTOW and not a faggot.
MGTOW puts himself first, he is the ultimate alpha, doesn't pander to women. I get laid and I legit don't care about women and dump them as soon as they become too needy and serious. I live my life, will never reproduce, will get laid, spend my money on my own and enjoy my life, no responsibility, no stress, I am 25 and look like I am 18, thank god I chose this life style, best decision of my life. When I see how broken down fathers are and older men in general, in a society that really doesn't give a fuck about them, I will make the superior choice. Go waste your future for retarded and irrelevant shit like nation, race, progress, whatever. After death comes oblivion, my experience is all that matters, I'll fuck, kill and abuse anyone that gets in my way and I couldn't give a fuck about the label of MGTOW or other MGTOWs, they were just useful information spreaders for me, the weak deserve to suffer.
>>79824623
If you are talking about Africans, there's no stopping them right now.
If you think they are growing on foreign aid mostly, you have an infantile vision of the world.
>>79824396
>yeah no.
what no?
there aren't bad men?
bad men and bad women don't find each other?
you never seen couples that make each other's lives miserable?
never seen couples where both the man and the woman are utter shitheads?
you can avoid a lot of bad ones just be by reasonable and using your brain
not saying you will never run into a bad one, but you can eliminate a lot of bad experiences just by trusting your instincts
just be superficial
judge a book by its cover
if a chick is fat, she probably doesn't take care of herself and doesn't have her life under control
if she dresses like a slut, she probably is one
she will have fucked tons of guys and might have STDs
avoid girls that take drugs, or smoke or drink too much alcohol or have any other bad addictions
avoid girls with sick fetishes like scat or diaper or some other shit
don't date chicks with any kind of mental illness, bipolar or some shit
learn to see the signs
if you have the feeling that the person you are dealing with is dishonest or unreasonable or unfair to you or in way malicious, get the fuck out of there and cut your losses
we human beings are all somewhat broken, so have some tolerance, but if the damage is too great, save yourself the trouble
some people are just shit
There's two types of MGTOW, one is guys who know women are shit and refuse to be fucked over by them. They live their lives the way they want to, damn what society tells them is ''the right thing to do''.
The other is angry virgins who haven't even so much as tried asking a girl out. These are the loud, obnoxious faggots who are terrified of rejection so they avoid it altogether and pretend they're ''enlightened''.
Still, they have the right idea. Western women are beyond salvation and anyone who goes into a relationship without knowing the uncomfortable truths about female biology and psychology, deserves to get fucked by his missus and Big Daddy Government.
I am not going to pursue long term relationships until things start to change for the better. Bringing a child in this cucked world is tantamount to abuse, not to mention that your child can be taken away form you because YOUR A FUCKING WHITE MALE.
Oh, and anyone fantasizing about finding a ''pure'' Easter European waifu to raise little soldiers for the future race war, don't be stupid. All women are the same, it's only how much society lets them get away with it.
>>79824316
I'm done trying. I must have flirted with hundreds of women and they were all entitled brats, no matter the age, socioeconomic status, beauty, and even family background etc.
Do you have any idea how time consuming that whole ordeal is? Or are you just an autist that has never dated in his life? That shit ain't worth my time. If women want to come to me and seduce me I'm all for it, but I'm done wasting my time and money on a rigged game. At this point in time, men like me are nothing more than an ego boost, if even that. My people chose to make me like this, so I'm just going along.
>>79824931
>I'll fuck, kill and abuse anyone that gets in my way
heh.. nothing personnel kid.
>>79825122
>just be by
just by being*
jesus
>>79815542
MGTOWs are all either men that have gotten divorced or virgin faggots that were never going to get married there's no point in trying to cure them because they don't offer anything
>>79815542
lel and the disadvantage of mgtow is what exactly? I'm not saying to make it a stupid religion like TRP is but subscribing to the idea? Not that I condone fags that spends all their time chasing the "relationship theory of everything" - see Leddit.
>>79824931
That's like saying feminists just want equality. Or ISIS aren't muslim.
The rest of what you said is just dishonorable and sad.
>>79825153
You're not supposed to sign up on tinder & co. Hold yourself to a high standard and surround yourself with good people. going out for a dinner and 'date' is bullshit
>>79822846
sounds like you were unpopular in school, and jealous of chad, but had to deflect your own weakness as "it's my choice I'm a kissless hand hold less internet addict virgin"
>>79825165
Meme on virgin, unlike you I've been in heavy physical confrontations before, I don't fear shit anymore. If muslims start acting like they run the show in the future, I will kill them. If you nationalist racial moralfags start acting like you know shit and try to force your shit on me, I will kill you. If Jews get too greedy and start squeezing more and more sheckels from society and if it starts directly affecting me and my wealth, I will kill them. Anyone who interferes with me doing what I want to do, I will kill.
>>79825354
I'm not talking about tinder faggot, I've never even used tinder. I spent two years of my life trawling bars, striking up conversations with random women, etc. I'm talking about the real world here, and the real world sucks.
>>79815542
MGTOW is the cure of a homogenous society. The masters did not even need to anticipate this "movement" by already importing 3rd world competition for the native females so essentially all MGTOW's are cucks and dead ends anyway.
The only real cure to our problem is government and welfare. The native male of a country now, rather than any other time, must compete against the 3rd world underclass for the same girl or otherwise face extinction.
A white male supporting MGTOW is a useful idiot, a tool, and a loser from all fronts. He is the coward. Women will always be shitty, but it isn't them you take up arms with. Women are spoils of war and always have been since forever. Your true enemy is the one supplying them with 3rd world cheap cock they can settle with if the native doesn't want to give it to them.
Your masters are your enemy. This is the real redpill.
>>79825313
see>>79820630
>>79825330
It contributes to destroying your heritage
>>79825354
No, it isn't. Half of these so called MGTOWs are faggots, bitching 24/7 on YouTube. True MGTOWs go and improve themselves after they get the information from the MGTOW work and history. This sandman is a faggot and wannabe jew that spams YouTube repeating the same shit and commercializing his cancer so he can earn sheckels, he is beta trash and a loser.
>>79825405
Sounds like you didn't read my post.
I’m so glad that data can be refuted character attacks spawned from nerds LARPing as alphas on the internet. I hate to break it to you, but having sex in the year 2016 isn’t an accomplishment.
While I’m sure that there’s an overlap between people who hold this opinion, and male virgins, that’s completely irrelevant. Nothing, in the reasoning outlined above, comes close to resembling “bitterness.”
Furthermore, the male virgins might just see what you don’t. It’s a fairly common trope in Western Literature that those steeped in society can’t see what’s causing the social ills, and that sometimes it’s only those outside or on the fringes of society that can recognize the problem.
So what you’re really implying is that not only do you derive your sense of self-worth from the inflated commodity of bedpost notches, you’re also too steeped in a culture of degeneracy to see the quantifiable corrosion caused by the sexual revolution.
>>79825107
Not aid, access to markets, interventions when shit happens, and so on.
Make them pay tariffs, don't take their rapefugees, and just quarantine them the next time some disease strikes, Africa will go Mad Max and lose 90% population fast.
>>79825411
I know it's only LARPing, but you should probably dull that edge just a little bit. You wouldn't want anyone to get hurt.
>>79825471
>sacrifice your life fighting for a race/nation/people that doesn't give a fuck about you
That is the true cuck, go on, fight against the Jews/thirdworldinvaders, waste your life and enter oblivion, I'll enjoy my life instead.
>>79825471
>cure for a homogenous society
are you implying that is a good thing?
Of course it's about the elites but I can't just walk up to them and put a bullet in their head.
>>79815542
>implying mgtow is bad
>implying women are nothing but valueless parasites who try to fuck your life up
qt trap boifus it where it is at
>>79825700
Then enjoy being actively displaced by your masters either way. Yes. Let's subject ourselves to the eternal catch-22 meme and placate our egos on 4chan 24/7 with our dead end conspiracies as non-whites conspire against us openly and act upon their ideas.
You win by breading and pushing our the foreign invader back by force and policy, not by being passive and docile. We've been docile for too long now. Action and proaction determines strength.
>>79815542
I'll get married when women stop being whores and having children doesn't bankrupt me
>>79815542
I agree
This seems to be an American problem. They repost the same "women hate" threads every day.
>>79825788
For the prospective of the master I will see homogeneity as a barrier. I mistypes a few times in that post so forgive me.
>>79825651
Whatever you say lol
>femishits: spoiled angry women
>mgtow: spoiled angry men
It's no ones fault but yours that you fail at life. You can hate women and retard normies all you want but in the end only you are responsible for creating a better life for yourself.
>>79825153
Honestly it seems like you're
>unattractive
>beta
>poor
Don't blame the object of your desire (woman) for your own shortcomings
Also PAY BACK YOUR DEBT Rastapopolus
>>79826026
In fairness, it's rather difficult to convince the MGTOW crowd of that, partly because there are factors outside of their control.
They can learn to not act autistic, start working out/losing weight, get a better job, etc. However, that won't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of women simply aren't marriage material, nowadays.
>>79826047
I am ugly. That's my point. Too much effort for too little reward considering my predicament.
>>79825921
but that means killing culture and killing heritage
aka part of the puppet masters' plan
>>79825814
read the thread
>>79826124
If it is that bad, I feel sorry for you. Now the least you can do is not stand in the way or maybe even encourage others, even if you won't/can't eat your own words
>>79825907
Actually, you see many threads from Americans about anything because they are the majority here.
If there is anything you need to specific about, it is how fucking cucked Swedish men have become. That of course will require it's own thread or 50.
>>79825865
I told you, I don't care, all of your pol buzzwords don't mean shit to me, I get laid, I spend my money on myself, dump women which you beta fags worship and want to impregnate, I don't have stress and enjoy my life. You do your thing, I do mine, couldn't give a fuck about the future after I am dead.
>>79826262
>>79826121
The biggest way to spite women is through unrequited love. You become better but never reciprocate the emotion or sentiment back. Then you only go after the one most loyal to you, but remember that no women is truly loyal.
>>79826215
Fighting to preserve one's self is not killing your heritage. That's the exact opposite. Life has always been about the existence of mono-homogeneity aka the existence of a single tribe. You destroy your enemy and you destroy them completely.
>>79826262
You are a pathetic loser who had not the choice to give his seed to begin with. Then you sin against your fellow man by perpetuating the lie that you did and others should follow your route. You gave yourself away when you said
>sacrifice your life fighting for a race/nation/people that doesn't give a fuck about you
Doing things because others like you is pure omega male status. You NEVER do anything for the approval of others. This is why you're a MGTOW because you're a tool and a slave for a female and they smell this off of you.
You do things out of duty to yourself or others that you like. Preserving your white heritage is the only hope you have.. or maybe you're more fond of
"if you kill them, they win."
>>79826121
Life doesn't guarantee you a good woman, and maybe you wont find one. The idea that you should start a support group to validate your failure is laughable and easily comparable to the third wave feminists.
If you're a mutant with a face not even a mother could love, disgusting pusfilled growths all over your body, and horrible social skills, you still don't need MGTOW, you need a purpose in life that doesn't include women, or a rope.
>>79815542
Why do you care? Let them live and die being the last ones to carry their genes.
Natural selection dipshit, men are disposable.
>>79824563
>sneaking away to the EU
Yes. Illegally too
It reminds me of an old movie called 'tres veces mojado' which translates to '3 times a wetback', being illegal in three different countries. It takes a group through a treacherous journey evading the law, crooks, the elements, death to find a better life and then living it illegally here in the states. It's something of a merit, a badge of honor that proves your determination, courage and the right to live here. I guess you can call it a sacrifice, you have to give in order to feel worthy to receive.
It's something my dad used to hang over my head, saying how easy I had compared to him. I even contemplated crossing over the mexican border through the sonoran desert just to prove him wrong, this was before the cartels got out of hand. It's not as long as his journey but it would have been enough
>>79826601
I'm not saying that life guarantees a good woman, I'm saying that, unlike feminists, MGTOW actually managed to find something to bitch about.
I'm not validating their support group, I'm just saying that they've accurately identified a couple of societal problems that are contributing to Western decline.
Don't be disingenuous and try to synonymize feminism with MGTOW, or pretend that it's only the horribly ugly men that can see things haven't been working well since the Cultural Marxist revolution of the 1960s.
>>79826821
They found a problem but honestly they are attacking a symptom. The real problem is the masters. Remove welfare first and see how everything else falls apart.
>>79826579
I don't see what you are getting at. Do you support globalism? The merging of all cultures is also their death. Now this concerns me especially because this merging is taking place in my homeland.
I believe that every people could live for themselves, there may still be trade and immigration (in moderation to facilitate assimilation). No imperialism, no ownership of foreign land, no dependency on superior or inferior nations. The individual right of peoples over the individual rights of people.
>>79826757
see>>79820630
Our heritage is at risk just as theirs is
>>79824623
>be starving african
>no food
>muh dik
>go and ooga booga some young women in next village
>make more starving africans
>white devils send food
>muh dik is restored
>go and ooga booga some more women and girls
>even more starving nigglets
>>79826924
Welfare is just a symptom of Cultural Marxism. Change the narrative, start shaming poor behavior, and everything else will follow suit.
>>79826579
>Doing things because others like you is pure omega male status
Logical fallacy you low IQ mongrel. I don't refuse to a thing, because others don't like me, I refuse to do a very big thing (sacrifice my life) for the BENEFIT OF OTHERS (who don't give a fuck about me). You do, you promote that kind of cuck behavior, I am not having any of it. I do what I want for myself, regardless of what others think, but I am not going to safeguard the interest of others, when they don't give a fuck about me. Race and nation are obsolote, they are no longer needed, you are a philosophical and intellectual dinosaur fossil, stuck in the past, refusing to see the world for what it is, and you want to shame me because of your incapability of moving on, hahaha, keep trying, won't work.
>Preserving your white heritage
You don't preserve shit dumb fuck, once you die, it is over, your dead, your opion means nothing, you mean nothing, oblivion awaits. The only thing that matters is your own life, accept this you dumb fuck. Back in the day white people didn't have 8 children to preserve or spread white genes, they did it because it was beneficial and needed, now it is not, so fuck off.
You must live a sad life, hating on mudshits and jews, thirdworlders, idolizing white women, while being a virgin, hahaha you can do anything you want, that is why you keep shitposting and complaining, while I pump and dump and enjoy my life. Stay cucked and keep counting the years until "le day of the rop xXDDD" comes.
>>79827103
Not even /r9k/ is as autistic as this.
>low IQ mongrel
>you are a philosophical and intellectual dinosaur fossil.
>hahaha keep trying, won't work
>oblivion awaits
>the only thing that matters is your own life
>hahaha you can do anything you want.
>>79826939
It's pretty easy to see what I am saying. Look at my post. I have it spelled out.
Fighting to preserve yourself is the opposite of what they want. They want the removal of homogeneity because it is a barrier to essentially neo-slavery. The merging of cultures is no one's death but whitey. There will exist a greater culture in the super culture they will bring whether it's islam, stateism, or corporatism.
First you remove the welfare income supplying foreign people and their powers. How do you believe these social movements last long enough to gain traction? It's unofficial astroturfing. Remove welfare and soon these imported problems, or domestic, will evaporate as companies now have to foot the bill for the people they brought in instead of the tax payer. Soon they'll vouch for a system like indentured servitude which will breed slavery so don't let this pass either.
You hit the masters where it hurts: their profits. They can't win if they don't profit from you.
>>79827061
Read above. This applies to you as well.
>>79827103
>shitty autistic nihilistic atheist cuck
>still believing that good women exist
>still believing that getting laid is about game and personality
>still believing that wealth can genuily attract women
>still believing sluts can be changed
>still believing that MGTOW is relevant
oh blue/pol/
>>79826821
I'm not saying that marriage isn't fucked. I complete agree with MGTOW on that point.
What i was saying: Whining and creating a support group to validate failure will do nothing for you or anyone else for that matter.
No one needs MGTOW, it will not bring societal change. No one cares except the people unfortunate enough to be caught in the cult of negativity.
If MGTOW grew to have substance i would respect it. Instead of whining they COULD have been doing the following:
>actively lobbying laws
>creating a support network for people whose lives have been ruined by divorce
>fitness, business, and career programs for the NEETs to help them into society
>most importantly: develop a clear and non-retarded mission statement
MGTOW is a cult of despair, just because they're right about the huge societal issues caused by womens suffrage over the last decades it does validate their existence.
>>79827414
I am just confused about your position. The wording sounded like you approve of the masters' plan, and the outlook sounds rather neutral, though I have a feeling you are opposed.
>>79827414
>shitty
Factual
>autistic
Getting laid more than you, sure is autistic.
>Nihilistic
Realistic.
>Atheist
Wrong, don't care about gods and religion, couldn't give a fuck if they were real or not, wouldn't worship them even if they were real, I do what I want, let god do what he wants if he is real, send me to hell, idc.
>cuck
Pump and dump white women that you virgins want to marry and reproduce with, lmfao, such a cuck :^)
>>79827647
I am neutral. I am just giving the perspective of what they would want. Most masters, if not all, are psychopathic career liars. All narcissistic psychopaths need co-dependents (the useful idiots, which explains why they are very sociopathic too) to grease the operation. You make the psychopath care for his underlings (he doesn't) and soon the system collapses.
A religion is nothing without its worshipers.
>>79816086
Monogamy is ideal in a times of peace
In times of war having multiple wives is superior, because men can be killed in war and smaller number of men can get all women pregnant without much demographic problem
>>79827756
>broken cuck on cognitive dissonance mode
2/10 because I'm replying. Try harder.
Pussy is devalued, taxes on the rise, nation in decline.
MGTOW is a symptom not a cause. Fix the nation and men will follow. Feminism destroys nations.
You messed up the world. Now accept the consequences as the displeased are leaving.
>>79827445
>still believing that good women exist
right, the xx chromosomes deny you all sense of goodness. wtf
>still believing that getting laid is about game and personality
Having a good family is about personality. What peasant is so concerned about just getting laid?
>still believing sluts can be changed
Most no, but you can prevent future women from becoming slults
>>79827859
the ultimate goal is peace. Children without fathers or without a proper family (having kids with several women isn't) does not create functioning adults for the future. The following lack of stability is a danger to the peace you worked so hard to achieve.
>>79827871
Can't refute anything I said, claims I am a lying cuck.
Nice projection cuck.
>>79815542
What I've noticed is that the majority of MGTOW have no interest in settling down because why would they? They already know what women are thanks to feminism. Feminism told women that being a walking Petri dish is empowering when it isn't. You wouldn't buy a 20 year old junker with 500k for the same price it was when it was new. It's easy enough to say "HURRRRRR BALEM D WOMYN!", but the fact of the matter is that's the problem. You notice that before women were told to be whores people actually did settle down and get married, so what changed between then and now? Women. Therefore if you want to get rid of MGTOW you go to the source of the problem and fix that. If you have a leaky roof there's only so much water a bucket can hold before you realise that if you patch the roof the bucket is retired on its own.
>>79815542
>tfw 32
>tfw great job
I am still single. I am not MGTOW however. I have had good relationships. Ultimately i just don't want to commit to anything. I see people with kids and I see married people and it's fucking exhausting looking.
When I leave my office all I want to do is go home and relax and have myself a drink or two. Perhaps go to the shooting range or if I choose... spend some time with my parents or my niece or maybe go to a movie, whatever strikes me at any given moment.
The completely lack of control is what keeps me single. I see what it does to freedom. Even independent married men are taken along for a ride to some extent.
>>79828033
It's internal danger.
It gives boost in population regardless of wars
That population is mostly uneducated, but still can be cannon fodder in upcoming wars or work in worse jobs
Polygamy is just situationally better for countries that have greater outside danger than internal one
>MGTOWs aren't better than the trans-shits, at best, they look a little better and begin indoctrination later on.
>they look a little better
The beautiful ones?
OP doesn't think the world is overpopulated but makes a couple of unbknowing references to Calhoun.
You don't. Mgtow IS the cure, you cuck. Once you swallow the large red pill, there's no going back.
>MGTOW
>still have two chicks i fuck casually
If you're MGTOW but not actively still having sex then you're just justifying your virginity/ineptitude
>Even MGTOW cannot escape the inherent human value placed on sexual ability
>>79815542
>the selfish path of individualism
What a crock of shit, my life is my own to dispose of as I see fit, and I don't owe anyone a damn thing.
Why should I sacrifice my time and a substantial amount of money on a gamble that has a 40% chance to fail? We all look after our own interests first and foremost and marriage is, by and large, a sucker's bet for men.
Furthermore, why buy the cow when the milk is free? The sexual revolution means we can just go out and fuck sluts at will so why deal with a nagging wife that can walk off with the house and half your fortune because she's bored in 7 years?
>>79817610
>i have a hilarious amount of money and a comfy ass 3 bed bungalow just because
>my parents want me to marry
>my grandparents want me to marry before they die
>some retards on an anonymous image board want me to marry
>will never marry because i'm selfish and don't want to sacrifice my freedom
>feels surprisingly satisfying making you all so salty and break my grandparents' hearts
why pole? why does it feel so good to be bad?
>>79829071
>virgin shaming
spotted the blue pilled retard
>>79815542
They cure themselves by not breeding.
>>79815542
I'll go back to the plantation when the social contract is restored. Nor before. I won't lay my life down for an ungrateful whore.
>>79829551
Because youre a cuck
You find joy in that which should cause you the most pain.
Have a black man fuck you and then kill yourself as you cum from the anal orgasm
>>79818244
Yes, that's true. Unfortunately the government is involved in personal relationships and we have things like divorce that are far too easily granted. It also generally benefits the woman more than the man.
>>79819225
It's one thing to fuck whores, but men are trying to turn a whore into a housewife.
Once traditional women become the most sought after for relationships, more women will fall in line because the most important thing to them is to be attractive.
>>79829728
people have different tastes in what brings them joy
and making other people so mad makes me very joyful for some reason
>>79815542
>implying MGTOW is not the Freien Arbeiterausschuss für einen guten Frieden of the modern age.
There is nothing with the MGTOW mindset when you're not doing it out of spite, bitterness, or justifying your own faults as a person.
The problem with MGTOW and red pillers is they get infiltrated with angry and mentally weak guys who want an excuse for being losers. Not just in sex but in life.
You have very successful men who think like MGTOW but for the right reasons. We live in a society that does not value men or men's efforts in daily life. Being Mr. Nice Guy gets you walked over by everyone not just women. The MGTOW way of living is I'm no ones door mate or tool. So you do what makes you happy and you live life the way you see fit. It should have anything to do with aggressive attitude towards women because MGTOW fuck too and enjoy female companionship, but they just don't make commitment to women because when you make commitments to women that's where you fuck yourself over.
People like OP and pic related try to shame men into certain roles when it's not every man's calling or not his time to do them.
Men are always rushed into being providers and what not while women are told to take their time and wait for the "perfect" scenario. The MGTOW goal is to find his own near perfect life scenario. It's a movement about self improvement and betterment of life.
So MGTOW it's self isn't a bad thing but it can be executed very poorly by guys with the wrong ideas.
>>79828851
when I think of a trans-shit I see a trans-shit who thinks ugliness is beauty
when I think of a mgtow I see a neet loser who thinks he is a supreme gentleman with suit and all
They are both deceiving themselves, but one at least has healthy ideals.
>>79828926
men and women are not equal. You are going against nature and shit on your heritage. If that's your pill, fine, I won't bother trying to convince you, read the thread maybe
>>79829100
the chances of failure are as high as you choose (or are allowed to choose for that matter, in which case you should raise your own standards)
for the philosophical part, see this >>79824885 . The above applies to you as well
>>79829601
see>>79820630
>>79829683
make better choices then. Telling a good person and a slut apart is not that hard. Stop trying to go for the half-degenerates
>>79830153
and the death of nations
>>79827583
Nigger, you are proposing MGTOW become MRAs. You can't effect change by feeding a corrupt system. You fix it the same way you treat cancer. Make shit so radioactive that the disease just gives up and kills itself. /pol/ shitting on MGTOW is a pretty significant example of cognitive dissonance if I ever saw one.
>>79830269
I wanna see a before and after picture of that cuckold. I wanna see his face when his wife divorces him to go back to the carousel.
>>79815542
>How do we cure MGTOWs?
what caused mgotw shit?
feminism.
once you cure women of feminism, the whole mgtow idea will fade into obscurity and eventually disappear.
other than that, there is no way.
>>79815542
>How do we cure MGTOWs?
Start making better women. Literally the only way. MGTOW are not the problem, btw. And converting them will do nothing but increase the value of pussy.
"MGTOW" is a movement targeting bitter divorcees.
Check my privilege.
>>79815542
Cant cure someone who is smarter than you and we are by far, pussy slave
>>79830269
>it can be executed very poorly by guys with the wrong ideas
that's the problem
a neutral (still sane) female could hear about the 'fight for equality' and get indoctrinated to turn useless, even contra-productive.
The same happens with men and mgtow
I am not talking about people who don't date, I am talking about people who quit women altogether
also
>shaming
The use of this word reminds me way too much of the feminists again.
>boohoo I am a victim why cant you just let me live my life in peace
>>79830474
>>79830538
Things are a little more complicated than that.
The reason I targeted MGTOW is that they must have some kind of openness since they run around swinging their own redpill. To end all the crap you need as many allies as possible, and mgtow is a potential source at that.
>>79830685
read the thread, before badmouthing me and putting things in my mouth
OP is a faggot who wants women to continue ruling over men.
>>79830269
i guess i'm one of those people who live the mgtow lifestyle for the 'wrong reasons'.
just seeing how much people pushed me to get married and settle down it felt so satisfying to say fuck you to them and live a comfy as fuck life like i wanted while everyone i knew was constantly wailing i wasn't a man and i was a commitment phobe (like being afraid of not having the option to go back on choices is bad).
and i didn't even have any bad experiences in the past, i'm just selfish and don't want to share or give up my free time
>>79830845
How is MGTOW women ruling over men? If anything you faggots who do anything and go out of their way to 'impress' women promote them ruling over men.
You faggots who willingly go to women to flirt, or message women on dating websites are your own worst enemies. Keep giving all the power to the woman, you fucking cucks.
>>79830581
But ultimately, lets take a look at the reasons why I should become an "MGTOW".
>fat
>boring
>plays video games
>bitter toward women
>depressed
>disenfranchised
>victimized
>submissive
If I didn't know it was just a bunch of losers trying to rationalize and justify their failures I would actually believe that it was a subversive attempt at turning men gay.
>>79831109
>>fat
>>plays video games
>>depressed
yup, that's me all right!
>>79825411
You won't do shit you fucking slack jawed faggot. Stop telling lies to make yourself seem hard on the internet. It's not a good look.
>>79831109
I feel the need to add to this irony by admitting that I'm transgender.
So by all means, keep it up, and when you come over to my corner of the room and start chatting me up, don't take it personally if I'm uncomfortable receiving compliments.
>>79831079
>OP blasts mgtow
>I call OP a faggot
>this anon thinks that I'm against mgtow
>>79830771
>shaming
>The use of this word reminds me way too much of the feminists again.
Abuse of words take their power away I will agree.
But this is the real use of the word. Another term might be guilted. If you aren't dating people assume you are a loser or gay. If you aren't willing to get married or have children you are called selfish, childish, less of a man, afraid of commitment, or gay. I think a lot of the responses to a man not wanting to commit himself to a woman and live his life the way he wants is assumptions of his worth as a man and a person and his sexuality. Either you are insulted or have guilt force upon you for not falling in line.
>>79830269
>selfish
I love it when people for selfish reasons try to tell you to be less selfish
>>79832901
Did somebody say trap?
>>79815542
I am not obliged to walk into a buzzsaw for you no matter how much you think it will help society
If you're against MGTOW, then you're a feminist. What's the point of getting married and having children if your children will spend most of its time being raised at a degenerate public school while you go out and work? You're foolish to think that you raise your children. That is a lie. Your society raises your children.
>hate MGTOW
yet you ignore the people living in endless gf/bf relationships, who never marry, and will never have children.
kek
>>79832714
It's a form so subconscious jealousy and being a pandering shit.
Last time I checked he constantly makes little remarks about how any man wouldn't want what he has. Obviously it's not that great because if something is good other people will want it without coercion.
Deep down he wishes he had the freedom the men he wags his finger at have. As soon as he has a falling out with the misses he probably turns into a bitter and regretful little piss because he doesn't have the freedom to just up and leave now. He's stuck.
>>79820159
I don't identify as a "MGTOW" since that would be autistic as fuck. I do get where they're coming from though. As someone who is probably in the bottom 25% personality wise, I'm going to have to struggle to find a wife/gf. Even if I do, I've seen what kind of relationships men like me can look forward to. Being bitched at all day, being pussywhipped as shit, being forced to be the provider for the rest of my life. I'm not a 10/10 who can get away with doing his own thing.
Relationships are good for the most outgoing men, not for people like me. I just need to figure out how to pick up girls at clubs.
>>79830845
read the thread
>>79833174
perhaps one day you will find out the meaning of honor
maybe you have not seen or just can't imagine what good society could be to see the value in fighting for it
>>79832650
what ways of convincing a MGTOW does one have anyway?
The issue I am pointing out is the lack of virtue. Which means people not being 'good'. To say "You are not doing the right thing. You are not good" is shaming. I don't really see a problem here.
We say it's manly to show responsibility, even for others. We say manliness is strength and honor.
What happened to manliness?
>nu-males
>people like beta MGTOW faggots complaining about how hard it is to be a man
in both cases you have males who aren't truly manly
We have a saying here which goes sort of like this "the more wise/intelligent submits", might sound a little bit like cuckdeau, the difference is that a nation can't always take blows, a man however should be able to take it.
Now come the crying manchildren
>waaah they are just leeches and I could have it so much nicer
shut up. just be a fucking man. take some PRIDE in your superiority. give her that fucking coat when it's cold.
>>79834193
Tradcons are funny when they desperately try to supprot their holy tradition in todays age. Thanks for the laughs op.
>>79834587
>in todays age
>>79834663
>We have the same culture today as 100 years ago
What is cognitive dissonance
>>79815896
It's driving down the benefits of the traditional family unit too, goy.
>>79834871
>it's pointless to try and change culture now that culture has been changed
This is cognitive dissonance
>>79834587
>Valuing nature and honor
>ooga booga pray to god, may magical unicorns and blessings come to this place
If that is the kind of comparison you are making, I don't see how they are the same
The solution is encouraging celibate life.
Not every man is fit for marrisge and
there needs to be a monastic revival.
It comes to show how degenerate society is today that sex is used to define a man and celibacy is the singlw most for idden lifestyle. Both left and right wing look down upon it but celibates contributed greatly to western civilization.
The solution is not to pressure MGTOW to marry but encourage rejection of the the carnal entirely and encourage ascetic life as a real worthy alternative.
>>79815542
mgtow is a coping in-group for the virgin and the severely burned and/or severely cucked male out there that bought into the hollywood happily ever after story.
getting women to come to you isn't a bad idea. but some people take this mgtow way too far.
>>79816576
That just means you and several others are godawful at selecting a mate for marriage. Coming from a small traditional town, you wouldn't believe the number of pure, happy marriages out there.
The main problem right now is that the usual things that punish single mom breeders like low income and hardship are mitigated by welfare.
>>79834193
>What happened to manliness?
You have to ask the question of what is manliness first. To a lot of people manliness is some macho Hollywood nonsense. Or to generations of American men raised by single mothers and in female dominated education system it's some women's idea of being a man which varies from each female to the next.
As for you reply to me about guys who need to "man up" it's laced with bias and your own ideal of being a man. When being a man, a provider, a protect, and so on is devalued, ridiculed, a misunderstood by both male and females why should men give to those who do not appreciate his efforts? You have men who do the "right thing" and they are betrayed by the people they've aided. Some men who "did the right thing" end up dying alone and for what?
>>79835214
This.
Ultimately the idea of 'dating' and romance is degenerate. It's a complete lie and there is a reason arranged marriage or at least sr form of formal courtship was the norm foe millenia in most cultures.
Pursuing a woman used to involve approaching her parents but now that's 'uncool' and everyone is brainwashed into searching for a non existent ''soul mate''.
>>79834193
I don't identify as MGTOW, but hail or high waters be damn am I going to get fucked in divorce court or stuck with someone elses' vagina trophy. Lemme break some things down.
Within the first few weeks these guys learn about "female shaming tactics" which is what most of this is going off of. On top of that, most of the guys like the "reverse feminism" of it. The last bit is kinda the image and ego people have when they do this.
You're not really going to shame them or convince them with "manliness" or calling their masculinity into question. They've seen Back to the Future with the one faggot who couldn't back down if called a "chicken". They don't wanna be him, so they'll take any perceived attack and assume its shaming language.
They also like being told "oh poor men, blah blah". They enjoy their victim complex. Now, there are disparities in things such as divorce law and shit where we can get fucked, but they like to turn the dial to 11.
I'd start with something like "If you can see this, you know what steps to take to prevent it right?" or "Now that you understand the problem, you can raise the next generation to fix them.".
Another problem is there are some guys who were celibate and got rich or god divorced before they had kids and now have money in their 40's. They wanna be some high flying money burning hedonist to "burn" the girls who rejected them in their 20's. Imagine, you're a guy who has money and power over most the people your age, and you see the cracks forming on these women's faces when you go to the high school reunion. It's part of the ego of the whole thing. Plus you can be 4/10 and get girls at bars just for flaunting money.
A potential solution to this is pander to ego and tell them how having children will ensure that the MGTOW's wisdom lives on. On top of that, ask them how hedonism makes them a more refined person.
>>79834193
>perhaps one day you will find out the meaning of honor
yeah about that, i served in the military for almost 10 years, got out now graduating with a EE degree this year, summa 3.98 gpa, and i serve three volunteer organizations
but i have NO HONOR until i find a girl, cum inside her, then pledge my income to her, nothing else I do matters
>>79834978
Your reply is pretty incoherent. Please try again.
If you don't comprehend my post please say so.
>>79834972
Obviously "just man up bro" is pretty useless advice. And stop putting words into my mouth.
>>79815542
No they don't need to be treated
Women need to understand we men are not perfect like Jacob from those shitty twilight movies and they need to open that pussy more.
>>79835766
I didn't point out your <current year> statement because I disagreed with you ideologically, I just remarked about <current year> being a shitty argument.
Basically all of this is can be broken down by knowing the same graphs and stats they do and asking them if they know this why they don't do better than those around them.
Or sum to sum it up with an analogy
"Well, bomb techs know all about bombs and diffuse them out of passion or for fun."
Otherwise, go full socratic on them and break it down until they start showing the shitiness of their hedonistic life styles. Once that door is open show them they are being no better than their leech counterparts.
"So you're burning through money for surface level pleasures? You're being a woman lacking most of the parasitism. How is this any different from being a woman?"
>>79835723
Embrace celibate life.
Quit fapping and quit bothering with women too and dedicste yourself to something better than the carnal.
Believe it or not this is more important than reproducing. OP is completrly wrong tjat only reproduction makes you a man. He ignores the sacredness of celibacy
This all started when /r9k/ became politicized.
Not so long ago, the fucking virginal losers on there knew that the reason they could never get laid was because they were weirdo aspie shut-ins who didn't go out at the weekend and shitposted and played vidya instead. At some point about a year ago, they got it into their heads that there were structural societal and political reasons that made them like this and all of a sudden, it takes the burden of being a loser off their shoulders - all of a sudden, it's someone else's fault they can't get laid and they don't have to consider how to fix their predicament.
And then the faggots came on here posting their shit, polluting this hallowed portal with their horseshit. /pol/ used to be a crossover board with /fit/; now look at the fucking place.
Basically, what I'm saying is fuck off back to /r9k/ or fuck off to the gym, get a job and sort your fucking life out.
>pic related - even Chinamen are getting laid these days because you clowns are checking out
>>79836221
The solution is to show them the value of a real celibate life rather than pressuring marriage as the only path to being a man.
>>79836147
Not a stupid argument if I was referring to a empirical difference between then and now. Are you not interested in taking the concept into account?
>>79815542
I'm generally curious to see if dating women outside Ireland really is that difficult. I'm a tall, decent looking guy and I sure as shit cannot get women here.
However, I just came back from the UK and Englishwomen are sure friendlier. If I stayed in the UK I don't think I would be single for too long. And that was just over a weekend I noticed the huge difference between the UK and Ireland (not exactly completely different cultures at that).
Irish women look exclusively for a certain kind of Irish guy: a socially dominant man in his group who plays sports and/or works a job that provides instant income. Chad thundercocks need not apply; looks and personality alone don't attract women here.
Tl;dr if you are not Irish are your women really that hard to get?
>>79836334
Well duh, all they had to do was latch onto anti-feminism rhetoric and co-opt it into their own.
