>THREAD THEME:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9WoX_8sbs
>NIGEL'S FULL RESIGNATION SPEECH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-QwY0mZzuA
>When we founded Ukip, Brexit was a lost cause. Nigel Farage changed all that
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/04/when-we-founded-ukip-brexit-was-a-lost-cause-nigel-farage-change/
>LEADSOM IS POLLING AHEAD OF MAY
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/750008876850900994
>FASCIST MAY FORCES TELEGRAPH TO PULL ARTICLE TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HER RECORD
http://order-order.com/2016/07/02/telegraph-pulled-article-critical-theresa-may-campaign-pressure/
>ANDREA LEADSOM: "FREE MOVEMENT WILL END", VOWS TO TRIGGER ARTICLE 50 "AS SOON AS SHE BECOMES PRIME MINISTER"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/tory-leadership-andrea-leadsom-says-she-can-be-the-new-margaret/
>THERESA MAY: TRADE WITH EUROPE "MUST BE A PRIORITY", WILL NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 50 BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-30/theresa-may-launches-tory-leadership-bid/
>LEAVE.EU BACKS LEADSOM FOR TORY LEADER
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/arron-banks-and-nigel-farage-s-leave-campaign-back-andrea-leadsom-for-tory-leader/story-29466185-detail/story.html
>TORY LEADERSHIP ELECTION: SENIOR MPS PLANNING ON FORCING REMAINER CRABB INTO SECOND PLACE AND THEN CONVINCING HIM TO LET REMAINER THERESA MAY RUN UNOPPOSED
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/senior-tories-plotting-bring-quick-end-leadership-contest/
>KEKWELL "WILL NOT STAND FOR LEADERSHIP AFTER NIGEL FARAGE"
https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/749942344498151424
>SCARED ANGELA EAGLE: "C-CORBYN PLEASE QUIT"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36693835
>CHILCOT: "BLAIR WON'T BE PUT ON TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES BUT SOLDIERS MIGHT BE"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/02/outrage-as-war-crimes-prosecutors-say-tony-blair-will-not-be-inv/
>CHRIS EVANS ABANDONS TOP GEAR
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36707266
It's over lads. Britain is dead. The once beautiful and lucid dream has morphed into a nightmare and a once roaring fire has been wavered down into meagre flicker. The British population is now full of self hating lefty's who want to sell out our country to foreign powers. It is guaranteed that Scottish Independence will happen now, and our sacred isle will once again be divided.
I'm sorry lads, I love you all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYpTvaKdC4s
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686146/Strain-family-life-death-threats-Nigel-Farage-Ukip-leader-resignation
'Death threats have really got to Nigel', Farage insiders reveal after shock resignation
>>79794098
if scuckland wants to leave, we'll be better off and won't be spending more per head on them than ourselves, whilst they pay less per head in taxes than do we
they also have the largest deficit in the entire EU, too large even to meet the rules for joining the EU
>>79794424
aww, you concerned?
just answer the question positively and you will cure me
corporations only exist on paper, like fictional characters, they are even listed on wikipedia nad elsewhere as "LEGAL FICTIONS"
you do know what a fiction is?
This is an odd request, but I distinctly remember a few years ago seeing a paparazzi photo of Nige in the back of a car with his head in hand(s?) crying or on the verge of tears.
It was during one of the last election campaigns and it was because of his chronic back pain and stress.
Does anyone have it or can link to an article with it? I've tried finding it on Google with all sorts of attempted hits without any luck at all. I know it's an odd thing to ask for, but at this point I want to prove to myself I haven't just made it up.
>>79793961
Article 50 is trying to be blocked by a firm of lawyers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishcon_de_Reya
>>79794098
Scotland relies on gibs. If they leave you, they lose the welfare. Spain has already stated that they won't let them join the EU. Scotland won't do shit.
8th for fuck May
>>79793961
Karen a shit
Funny this comes out in the papers once he steps down presenting
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/chris-evans-being-investigated-over-8346066
>>79794832
Futile desperation.
https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2016/06/30/brexit-on-why-as-a-matter-of-law-triggering-article-50-does-not-require-parliament-to-legislate/
Help me out brit/pol/, I need the image macro of the pink haired feminist saying "my theories will always be right, wrong side of history"etc
Conservative party leader preference, May v Leadsom:
T. May: 63%
A. Leadsom: 31%
(via YouGov, Con members / 01 - 04 Jul)
I know, polls are retarded, and we shouldn't listen after BREXIT, but could we be fucked here lads? It's a pretty huge lead.
>>79795769
Mummy literally only launched her campaign yesterday. They'll all come round eventually just like we did.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10655530
>>79795769
It was always going to be a hard sell for Leadsom to win, May has always been third in line after Osbourne, and a rabid Remainer like him can't take over
I'll always blame Gove for depriving the world of the finest man who could have been PM
>>79795993
>that featured poll
Oh boy
>>79794832
they're going to sue the government? good luck with that
>>79794098
Not everyone in Scotland wants it...it's the SNP who keep on getting voted in who force this independence rubbish down peoples throats.
They even rigged the EU vote there to make it so those who wanted independence to vote to stay IN the EU...even though that makes no sense at all. You can't be independent under the EU.
What Scotland needs is a new party to oppose the SNP clowns, or the sheep to stop crying about Maggie Thatcher and go back to an existing party for the sole purpose of getting rid of Sturgeon, Salmond and the likes.
Lads, how many fingers afe you supposed to be able to fit in your foreskin? I only ask because I used to have phimosis and stretched it because I disn't want a Jew circumcision, but I can still only fit 6 fingers in.
Anti-trump people on twitter are hilariously incensed by anything you say that isn't exaggerated defamation of the man. I don't even support Trump really, though I support Hillary less and understand why people do. I make one comment about them being a bit overzealous and this guy's been sending me shit all night. He's been calling me an anti-semite and racist because I thought this whole furor over the star of David thing was overblowing a not very significant oversight. I hate this sort of politics.
The rabid leftist meme is a reality. I see the light.
Who /NEET and been up all night/ here?
>>79796914
I stretched mine too lad. The GP said I might need a circumcision, but I can retract it now, feels good. Still have an appointment at the urologist coming up and I'm still a virgin so it's not like it matters but oh well.
I can't imagine the UK without Scotland. Not for economic or democratic reasons or anything like that, I just think that a schism between the two closest national brothers over petty leftist political complaints would be too much for me. Scotland is British, and Britain is Scottish, to divide the two is to undo history and heritage that every Anglo and Celt should be proud of.
>>79797645
That's great, lad, can you answer my question?
>>79797530
You can't even mention Trump in civilized conversation in the US. Nothing short of calling him the next Hitler will suffice. You can't even come off as "well I wont be voting for him". That's not enough. Unless you want his head on a pike, you're a racist and evil.
>>79794098
Scotland leaving would be great, it would mean lefty fuckers who want to sell the country to mudslimes get that much less power
>>79797789
That's surprisingly not the case with are nige. Leftists dislike him but most people just think of him as right wing.
>>79797654
What's your excuse for pic related?
>>79797854
Scotland is identical to South Africa. A lot of the area is legitimately deprived and that's being taken advantage of by socialist "nationalists" to perpetuate their single party state. Does Scotland need more funding? Perhaps. Are the SNC the way to get it? No.
Can't find any pics of mummy when she was in her youth. :(
>>79798210
Same
>>79797931
That's a Hongi, it's like Maori handshaking, you rub noses, it's awkward and hilarious.
Fun fact though, ever heard of Malignant Hyperthermia? It's basically an allergic reaction to common anesthetics, and it's a Scottish mutation. Not very common, even in Scotland. But a town called Palmerston North here has a HUGE number of Maori with the gene. It turns out a Scottish whaler or whatever the fuck was desperate enough to rape (or god forbid consensually make love to) some natives and spread his genetic malfunction all over the place.
Funnily enough I am British, born and bred, and tested "uncertain" for the mutation (mum has it).
>>79798380
This isn't the place to post your medical problems, lad.
>using 'mummy' literally ever
>>79796087
It is all a bit deflating. Had my head on for Boris.
>>79798773
The term you're looking for is unironically, lad. And everyone is doing it ironically.
Andrea's blog, goes back to 2006.
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog
If you find anything that could be dragged up to hurt her, email her and let her know, don't post it here.
>>79798708
You wanted to know about Maori race mixing m8, I thought this slow thread might appreciate the anecdote
>>79798180
Still, if the Scots legit have a referendum and actually vote to leave the UK just for the sake to suck on the nipple of the EU for the love of taking in rapefugees and take up the Euro, and fighting English "intolerence" they are better off out
>>79798862
either was is just dreadful
>>79798907
>asking us to cover up her misdemeanours covertly
Are you her PR manager?
I mean, I still will, but it's all very Jewish.
>>79798947
Is that how you feel about Que "should have been mssacred in 1759" bec?
>>79798909
I enjoyed it. Bit of local flavour.
FREEDOM
How the fuck long will it take the Cons to whittle it down to two then?
>>79799120
Quebecers are all right, most of the independence stuff was mostly a 90s thing
And in terms of finance, they're doing much better than the rest of Canada
Twitter really needs to stop including people's tags in the letter count.
>>79799502
The UK is an absolute shambles in terms of GDP. We used to produce the worlds finest steel in Sheffield, not long ago, now it's been torn down and everywhere north and west of Birmingham is derelict.
The bizarre thing is if any labour politician, particularly Corbyn ran on a promise to reopen all our industries they'd be PM by the end od the year.
>>79797654
tell that to the fucking porridge jockeys mate
>>79799775
>get rid of extremely popular right wing presenter over a disagreement with a fucking busboy
>Import new presenters and rebrand it diversity gear
>wonder why the show isn't as popular
gg bbc
This American has resorted to every leftist meme in the book. There really has to be a manual for this stuff. A Dummy's Guide to Shilling.
>>79800179
I doubt many body watched it for Clarksons politics.
>Can't Dread the Lead
>>79800179
It's not really political. It's just Clarkson was an entertaining twat while Evans is an annoying twat.
>>79800347
t. head of the bbc cultural understanding department
>>79800441
Lefties didn't watch it because it was too "laddish".
>>79800504
And yet they trained to retain that. They cleaned it up and it didn't work but the format was largely the same.
Nothing about it made sense.
>>79800463
I don't provide citations, but I never ask for them either.
>>79800643
Clarkson was literally the only right wing person the BBC had left.
>>79800621
Chris Evans literally did impressions of Clarky in an attempt to be liked.
BBC got a hold of it now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36710783
>Donald Trump's use of a blatantly anti-Semitic image from racist websites to promote his campaign would be disturbing enough," Mrs Clinton's campaign team told US media.
>>79801135
U
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INDEPENDENT
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>>79801135
So we can't use 6 pointed stars now? Fuck the jews.
>>79796914
what?
>>79801385
Can you read?
>>79801135
It's pretty clear he or his campaign team just did something a bit stupid. That's as far as any criticism should go. Suggesting it's indicative of anything more is intellectually dishonest and they all know it.
>>79794307
stop anon youre making me cry T^T
Can't get enthused about May vs Leadsom at all. What a shitshow.
>>79801314
>>79801550
You are right. However the media will just nitpick anything to make Trump look bad. I bet he would be labeled as a Satan worshipper if they had used a pentagram instead.
Well that was a complete waste of a couple hours but watching that guy go off on one because I said he was a social tyrant was pretty amusing.
I'd post it all but Im on my phone and can't be bothered to edit out names.
Why does this image seem so pensive? He's got a fairly normal expression on, and yet this image seems to invoke a really meaningful reaction from me.
>>79802436
Lighting & eyebrow
me mum might make spag bol for tea tomorrow lads
>>79802436
Just one of those photos init. A good brilliant picture that capture true emotions.
>>79803063
yeah, init.
>>79803137
That looks so comfy. I like it.
I hope I get to experience that kind of scenery sometime in my life.
>LEADSOM IS POLLING AHEAD OF MAY
Feels good to be a #LeadsomBullet
>>79802436
Nigel just has one of those faces that a great man has, someone who has the appearance of a great leader, which can't be bought
UKIP might keep nipping on Labours vote share, but the party is just so much the worse without him
HANG HANNAN
>>79803311
beautiful
>>79795114
Somone saved my OC
:DD
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/05/nicky-campbell-interracial-adoption-creates-extra-layer-of-ident/
>Nicky Campbell, the BBC presenter who was adopted as a baby, has warned that interracial adoption risks creating “an extra layer of identity problems” for children, after changes to the law that make it easier to place children with parents of a different ethnicity.
>Campbell, who also hosts the ITV show Long Lost Family, which reunites relatives after years of separation, said that he no longer believed that “love is love, whatever colour or race the adoptive parents are”, adding that he now thought the issue was more complex.
>The presenter, who was adopted when he was four days old, told Radio Times that adopted children already faced an “identity crisis” because of differences with their adoptive family.
This man was just redpilled
>>79797789
You might get a "shy Tory" effect with him then. People who won't admit they're voting for him in public so the polls look really skewed. Worth it for the eternal asspain from lefties on election day.
>>79804001
It doesn't really matter what Trump's national numbers are, as long as he wins the battleground states (Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania; all of which he's polling within 2 points) while holding every expected Republican state, he'll win.
Did Liam Fox pull out?
Also Cuntless Carswell on BBC 1 in 3mins
Snibbity Snab I'm Stephen Crabb :DDDDDD
I still can't believe there are people protesting democracy out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3Q5hHeb6k
YOU'RE OUT OF TOUCH
I'M OUT OF TIME
BUT I'M OUT OF MY HEAD WHEN YOU'RE NOT AROUND
>>79804947
that gril is a qt 3.14
Carswell
>I send smiley pics all the time on twitter
>I send out lots of smileys on twitter
fuck this cunt
Cuckswell going full cuck
>>79805284
Such a shame she was born with no brains.
>>79805322
>>79805327
Indeed, Carswell needs purging.
B)
>nativism
when did this cancer word become so pervasive?
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/749255548344885248
holy shit did you guys know about this?
>>79805726
Filthy kike is a fifth column informant. Who'd have guessed?
DP back to 60mins. 11.30
What cigarettes does Nigel smoke? I tried looking through pics of him smoking but i just couldn't tell.
Has he ever said?
>>79806091
>>79805726
Comrade Corbyn will send her to gulag.
>>79806091
So we just let MPs openly spy for other countries now? Even if they are an ally this is unacceptable.
>>79806134
He doesn't actually smoke, they're all photo-ops, or photoshopped.
>>79806209
Don't lie to me Burger, I know that's not true
>>79806276
I refuse to believe he smokes Marlboro Golds, surely not
>>79806276
>Are Nige is a Marlboro Man
nice
>>79805726
does strictly protect mean "her identity is strictly protected by the US government"?
>>79806698
It means her identity should be strictly protected.
>>79806091
>>79806311
>A Scottish Jew spying for our """"Closest Ally""""
>>79806698
It means she's an informant (i.e. spy) and the fact that she's an informant must be a tightly held secret.
>>79800927
Apart from when it counted and then it turned out he was a massive remainer cucklord...makes you think really. Was he controversial just to drum up media hype most of the time...thought on voting day he'd be on a float clad in Klan outfit complete with burning crosses throwing nazi salutes.
t. concerned taxpayer
>>79806091
Can a brit explain what happened?
>>79807349
She is a strictly protect (keep her identity secret at all costs) asset to the US government. In this document (we don't know how many documents like this may exist) she was giving the US inside information on when a General Election will be held following Tony Blair (Iraq War criminal) leaving office mid term.
>>79807533
>>79807533
thanks for the explanation, anon.
>>79807533
Arent this State Treason?
>Andrea Leadsom, "Our future and that of our children and grandchildren will be so much better outside the EU. We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
>>79807841
jewish people are above the law
they don't even have to agree to nuclear inspections like every other country because MUH HOLOCAUST
>>79807841
>>79807616
I used to think so. I mean a fucking Scottish Jewish left-wing Blairite purposefully leaked top secret information to the Americans for personal gain (Her husband is exec. of the British American Project) and our government didn't do shit, in fact 6 years later she got elected as an MP.
>The telegraph reported her treason in 2011 but nothing was done
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8304495/WikiLeaks-cables-Gordon-Brown-forced-to-scrap-plan-for-snap-election.html
Where were you when you lost faith in your country /pol/? I thought it was getting better too.
>>79808029
Sadly,no such thing
>>79808128
She said it mate... some of it. I just included subtext for ease of understanding.
There is no meeting between Tom Watson and the big four unions today over Jeremy Corbyn, say union sources.
What does that supposed to mean......
And when they finnally anounce their great challenger for party leadership?
>>79808346
A challenger has emerged.
And she will take Corbyn's head and lead Labour to victory against the bankers and their much maligned bonuses.
>>79808485
Why does she look so repulsive?
So I'm not one for conspiracies, but I'm left wondering.
In the 2007 Scottish parliament election, around 100,000 ballot papers were spoiled. That election was won by the SNP by a single seat.
Do you think the effect of the spoiled papers, had they been done properly, would've been to tip the balance to Labour, or to the SNP?
If I was one for conspiracy theories, I would say it was clearly Labour trying desperately to get one seat ahead of the SNP and stay in power. If I was one looking otherwise, I might say the balance was tipped to the SNP by the spoiled papers because of prejudice to those who could continue voting Labour for so long.
Such a tight election result with so many spoiled ballots is fascinating, especially given that it became a political hand-grenade under the Labour party in Scotland.
>>79808655
She's related to gollum.
>>79808078
Well it's espionage under the official secrets act. Worth a complaint to the police I think.
>>79808655
I don't know what you mean, Anon.
She's an English petal.
>>79808828
Her head is really deformed
How can they put a spinless dyke in charge of coup?You cannot win anything with "that"
>>79808078
Just another one for Comrade Corbyn's purging list.
>>79799898
>if any labour politician, particularly Corbyn ran on a promise to reopen all our industries they'd be PM by the end od the year.
Nah. They'd win all the areas Labour already win in (and maybe some of Scotland back), but they'd lose where it really matters: the marginal seats full of middle-class folk.
You'd end up with something like the last election all over again.
>>79801135
Oh fuck me. It's literally one of the default shapes in MS paint.
>>79809124
Will he adopt Union of Britain flag as his own?
>>79793961
I would usually talk shit to you Britbongs, but after Brexit, you fuckers have gained a lot of respect from me. Congrats, bros.
i feel like death in the morning
>>79809436
oi just drink a cup o tea and youll be good m80
Nige was just on LBC. He sounded very happy and was positive about our situation. Going to miss him terribly.
>>79809312
As long as it has the hammer and sickle on it.
>>79809574
Comrade Corbyn will one day crush Europe under his iron socialist fist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjHMYNM46Fw
i don't get it
is corbyn a communist?
>>79809574
How does one seize the means of production in a service economy?
>>79809574
it has hammer and torch.....
>>79809758
In hearth - yes
In actuall politics - no,he is social-democrat at best
>>79808078
>Scottish
So here's a question for you all
Can the one area that Scottish Nationalists and the majority of Brit/pol/ agree on that Blairite Scots are the worst plague both in British history as a whole and Scottish history in particular?
It's something that's always interested me. For as much as is made of "Hate the English :^)", some of the worst people I can think of are Scots. (Admittedly, a lot of them are pretend-y "Proud Scots" who ran away from Scotland as fast as British Rail could carry them.)
Maybe that's why Scottish nationalism isn't ethnically based. It lets you write off people like Anthony Charles Lynton Blair and David Cameron for their links to Scotland for reasons of residency. :^)
i miss him lads
Lads, would it make sense to call using immigration to increase left-wing voters 'cultural gerrymandering'?
Imagine if Chilcott AND Hillary's indictment happened on the same day.
I wouldn't be able to contain my excitement.
>>79809929
who took their toilet paper
>>79809966
It would make sense to call it bloody idiocy to be honest.
It's one of the many Blairite stunts that have exploded in their face, because now poor native Britons hate the Labour party for being so keen on immigrants. Instead of building up the left-wing vote, they've split it beyond repair.
>>79809881
Well Scots are Anglos so it would be weird for it to be ethnically based.
>>79810095
Except that they're Celts.
Reminder, Scotland need to fuck off, and fuck off soon.
>>79809881
Watch the first clip in this video and you will know why everyone in England is saying fuck Scotland after the BREXIT vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaTxBPmikRY
>>79793961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3RvsBnxTEY
and to think I used to like this guy
>>79806276
I had him pegged as a Benson & Hedges man
>>79810289
(((Waltz)))
>>79810289
actors think they are as smart as the characters they play
tehy are corny and dead inside normies
>>79810289
>le scrunched up face of remainer bitterness
Never gets old, senpai
>>79810227
Reminder that Scotland was fiscally balanced until very recently.
>>79810238
They've been saying it for long enough before that. Honestly from a cynical perspective, I kind of like the "Fuck Scotland" attitude. It's ultimately advantageous to point and go "Look, they don't like us anyway."
Furthermore, that justification was entirely sound - and the UK did vote to leave. So all is well.
"Leave the UK first" is the most rational Scottish Nationalist position because it allows you to convince voters the EU will act as a stabilizing mechanism, making independence less risky (this is why the SNP took up Pro-EU stances in the first place, after being anti-EEC in 1975. Amusingly, they tried to make it a referendum on the UK then as well, although they failed.), After that you can look at getting Scotland out of Europe.
Within a devolutionary context this is also the same. Westminster is the harder one to escape because you have to get Westminster's permission for a referendum. Meanwhile, the UK can hold a referendum of it's own accord.
>>79810289
love it when actors talk about politics.
>for heavens sake man, GOVE
What did he mean by this?
>>79810685
>love it when actors talk about politics.
I do when it's Mel Gibson.
>>79810227
Also
>Source: Kevvrage
>https://www.kikebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/videos/10154352135343872/
Corbyn made a video asking for Labour Party Unity. Hr's not going anywhere, he's going down with this ship.
>wake up
>still no true conservative party
>go back to sleep
>Bush: But you know, Tony, the American people will never forget what you are doing. And people say to me, you know, is Prime Minister Blair really with you all the way? Do you have faith in him? And I say yes, because I recognise leadership when I see it. And true courage. He won’t let us down.
>At this Blair laughs again, seeming unsure how to respond.
>Blair: Well, it might be my epitaph.
>Bush [laughing]: Like … RIP here lies a man of courage, you mean?
>Blair [nervously]: Yeah, right.
Oh Mr. Blair. So perceptive.
Now get to the Hague.
>>79809931
We all will, just watch how his mere presence makes May shit herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPtwD5AV9o
The guy was a walking weapon.
Would you buy this guy a pint, brit/pol/?
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/685800/SAS-hero-ISIS-Gurkha-knife-Islamic-State-terror-Iraq
>>79796852
Start a party then?
>>79810989
It's a shame nothing will actually happen to him. Best we can hope for is his legacy being completely ruined.
>>79811033
She's surprisingly small. I thought she would be tall.
>>79811253
Wouldn't have been so bad if Ruth hadn't come out for Remain.
£ not looking great today
>>79811586
atleast i do
>>79810933
no true conservative
no true scotsman
fuck off
>>79811691
>American education
>>79811259
I have a strong hope that should Scotland get independence, historians will primarily lay the blame at his feet. While things had been brewing for a while, without him and without Iraq there's no way we'd be where we are now.
>>79811253
New parties usually don't go anywhere or fold into extant parties.
Even UKIP took over a decade to start getting serious attention.
Better off reforming an existing one. I'm pretty sure if you could get two mates together you could stage a coup in the Scottish Liberal Democrats, although you'd need to be as heartless as Tony Blair to coup poor Willie Rennie.
Friendly reminder that Theresa "Anyone But" May is the choice for butthurt remainers.
https://twitter.com/THAT_Jane/status/750081478868996096
David Davis backing May.
>>79811827
>that pinned tweet
kek
>>79811080
The Express makes up stories about military escapades.
They claimed that a Russian bomber carried a nuclear missile over the channel, when the aircraft photographed wasn't even a nuclear-capable variant. I asked the author for his source and his response was "We got word from Top Guys and they heard the Nuclear Codeword on the Walkie Talkie blah blah blah'
>>79811881
No surprises there
>>79811935
Kek so the Express are Skyking thread regulars then?
>>79796852
SNP logo is literally a noose for the scots to hang themselves with.
>>79811935
I've been thinking about making some sort of media watchdog group to try and deal with this shit because it's unelievable how full of shit the press is allowed to be
>>79811827
I'm honestly filled with terror at the prospect of May being PM.
I'd advocate for an independent St. Kilda and move there if I thought it could save me from living in a country governed by May.
Is there a Tory vote today?
>>79811935
Well the story claims he's 27 years old with 15 years of experience, so he joined the army at age 12.
Seems legit.
>>79811827
> Also, I actually like being a member of the EU. A 'sovereign' UK is not as important to me. Free movement is a positive to me.
No hope for these people.
>>79811803
I don't think independence for Scotland is very likely at the moment. There's too many stars that'd need to align.
>>79812114
That's when you can join the cadets.
>>79812050
It's a thistle.
If you want a more amusing story, in the late 80s and early 90s it was a more angular variant of the same logo.
Which as well as being a PR nightmare for looking vaguely fascist, was coincidentally also identical to an upside down Odal rune. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_%28rune%29 )
Now, apparently an inverted rune has negative connotations. So you've got the negative version of the rune for heritage...
>Scotland go independent.
We are so fucking broke.
>waking up to a world without Nige as head of a political party
>you will one day wake up to a world without Nige at all
SWEDEN
>>79812330
>It's a thistle.
I regret starting with that to tell my story now. It comes across as a genuine connection, and it bothers my need for technical accuracy because it's not just a thistle, it's also a saltire, and a clootie dumpling (which is what it's named, incidentally.)
Regardless of your views on the SNP, it's a remarkably clever design for being able to work all that symbolism into such a memorable symbol. Compare Labour's "We'll use a rose because other social democrats use a rose" and the Conservatives "Fuck you, it's a tree."
>>79812394
They said the same about Brexit Britain.
One should not base long-term decisions on short term financial outlooks.
Farage LBC show when?
If Katie Hopkins can get one. Lets get him in
>>79812758
>what is farage fridays
>>79812637
How do they do that? That's pretty scary
>>79812758
Based Katie has her own show? When is it on?
>>79812061
i wonder if the express will hire me i've clearly got what it takes
>>79812637
Interesting.
I thought the Swedes had a filter of their own, but that looks like it's being done on the Daily Mail's end.
>>79812969
Media collusion with government.
They might have article main HTML body on a different domain, to make it easier for IP/DNS blocking. I don't know, but trust me it's easy to do.
>>79813230
They're probably being paid by the swedish government to do it
>>79812965
cant see it on the schedule. When he has done phone ins on LBC he gets respect and i get the sense he enjoys it. Think he would fit in very well
>>79813094
10-12 on a Sunday. Shes actually really good. Talks a lot about education but doesnt like teachers or unions.
The best thing about the Labour party isn't that they have an unelectable leader, it isn't even the fact that the next most likely leader is even more unelectable; it's that the labour members are happy to vote for them.
Just woke up
Anything new happening?
>>79813387
Nah the UK is still royally fucked.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ocP1ilHVWlAJ:speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2446/daily-mail-blocks-sweden-for-legal-reasons.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Interesting. (opened in cache because the fucking bastards use an anti-adblocker.)
>>79813377
Who is even more unelectable than comrade corbyn?
>>79813377
Try explaining to a Corbynite why their little movement has already reached critical mass. And that just because their feels are out of control doesn't mean the electorate will go the same way. Its aneurysm inducing. Never seen this level of delusion before
>>79813480
Diane Abbott.
>>79813480
They really have nobody good anymore.
Has anyone noticed that Corbyn didn't really seem bothered about Jo Cox dying?
>>79813480
eagle has landed
>>79813633
He probably heard about it happening before it did through the rest of the Remain campaigners who arranged it. Already dealt with it.
>>79813480
Eagle. Watson. Basically anyone who'd replace Corbyn is just as unelectable. Labour is completely devoid of talent and will inevitably elect another funny looking weird who's sole life experience is being the chief departmental fellator to some Blairite scumbag minister before getting a safe seat in 2005.
The best they've got is Dan "All I know is that he was a soldier." Jarvis, and he actually polls behind Eagle and Watson inside the party, demonstrating forever that Labour deserve their oncoming death.
>>79813486
Blairites are just as infuriating, under the illusion that by replacing Corbyn and moving right on policy they can actually win an election again.
I pray UKIP stay in the game after the UK leaves the EU, so that Wales and the North go UKIP and leave Labour to the dustbin of history.
>>79799398
That Eldritch Horror Germany poster is so great
>>79813633
When he had to stand next to Dave at her memorial he looked very uncomfortable. I think he knows something we don't, finds the whole thing disgusting but of course has to go along for the ride.
Scottush born British citizen here, is there any hope for the repatriation of Scottish Parliament to Westminster?
> you all laughed at me
>>79803723
Why did someone so capable have to turn out to be such a bloody libertarian traitor
>>79796914
mine's never given me any problems, and I can't really fit more than six, so you are probably alright m8
>>79805284
Would you give her a spanking to straighten her out, brit/pol/?
>>79813820
Legally, it can happen.
Politically it's (a) insanity and (b) relatively stupid given that Holyrood has demonstrably been rather competent.
In a fight between the UK without devolution and independence, independence would now win heartily. There's a reason that even in the mid-90s, Labour's George Robertson refused to concede what his "Second favourite" option was (Salmond was Independence > Devolution > Status Quo. George was "Call the audience member a SNP plant, then go on about how you have no second option whatsoever because admitting it's the then-status-quo would be politically harmful")
>>79813772
And she literally died for nothing too
>>79813820
The only way to do it politically is to elect a party in Holyrood who would do it or hold a referendum on it.
Why though? Just stop electing retards in there. More localised power is generally better.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/686048/EU-referendum-Brussels-Britain-pay-12billion-budget-Brexit-vote Is this right? Or just shit peddling.
>>79814354
Isn't that the normal fee we'd just pay until we leave
>>79814354
We're still bound by the treaties, so yes. We have to continue all our current EU obligations. We've been paying around £10Bn net every year since we joined.
>>79814354
"Demands" is overly emotive wording.
It's basically "because we've not Article 50'd, Brussels has made another budget just like it's any other year."
Never trust a headline.
>>79814015
>given that Holyrood has demonstrably been rather competent.
>>79814409
No, the EU occasionally lumps huge bills out of nowhere on us to fill their deficit.
>>79813772
>Without a single bullet being fired
Based Raheem confirmed standing for UKIP leadership
>>79814409
Yeah it is, but given our current "in limbo" status I'm not sure how it works. Whether it's akin to going to a restaurant and saying this is shit I'm not paying you froggy cunts fuck all and the EU is happy to fuck us off just to get rid of us or they want some tips before they send us on our way.
>>79814458
Since the SNP took power, they've reallocated budgets to restore free tuition, realized prescription charges cost almost as much to administer as they earned in revenue, stopped using Labour-style PFI schemes that bleed money, all in alignment with what voters wanted.
These policies are a marked improvement on what we'd have if things were left with the Scotland office, because they align spending priorities with what people actually want instead of what the Scotland office wants.
Power without accountability is not a good thing, and running Scottish affairs from Westminster is about as close to power without accountability as you can get.
Based Hopkins
http://www.lbc.co.uk/katie-hopkins-rages-at-safety-pin-campaign--133251
>>79814525
This lad is based. He's a Pakistani who knows about white replacement, instead of jealously furthering it he stands against it because he knows that British culture and history isn't interchangeable with others and doesn't want it subsumed by rapefugee hordes.
>>79814451
>"Demands" is overly emotive wording.
so we have a choice on whether to pay it or not?
>>79814525
kek, that'll go down with the rest of the angry nativists
>>79814665
omg, your serious? top kek m8
what about scuckland's 10% deficit? the worst in Europe? worse even than Grease?
wow, good job scuckish racist party
>>79814862
>take your safety pins and fff.. prick 'em in your eye!
Based af. Can't wait till she grows her hair back
>>79794488
What a coward.
>not being ready to die for the people
Pathetic really.
>>79795457
fookin saved M8.
>>79815086
TNK if you ask me
>>79814964
>what about scuckland's 10% deficit? the worst in Europe? worse even than Grease?
This isn't under Holyrood's control. Nor was it under Holyrood's control when Scotland was ahead of the UK financially around 2012. Holyrood is allocated an essentially fixed budget to allocate at will. Even with the receipt of income tax powers, varying the rate up is essentially not possible within the union for obvious reasons (people will move to Berwick).
"Scotland's 10% deficit" is a projection of the financial state of an independent Scotland based on huge amounts of guesswork because Scotland isn't actually independent.
For a simple example that cropped up in the white paper, Scotland gets assigned £3bn defence spending, but only about £2bn of it actually occurs in Scotland. Scotland also gets assigned a population share of UK debt repayments, even if a notional independent Scotland historically wouldn't have had those debts (because of muh oil in the 1980s and 90s, Scotland would've been running a surplus, but that's not factored in because the UK as a whole did not. Thus, Scotland gets a population share of debt from the entire UK.)
Scotland isn't, as you know, an independent country, and the status of a hypothetical independent Scotland has nothing to do with Holyrood's competence within the UK.
>>79814451
Spoiler alert: we're never going to article 50.
The leave campaign leadership never expected to win, have no plan, and are scattering like cockroaches after the light has been turned on.
Cameron stepping down instead of pushing the button politically checkmates brexit by making the tory party leadership is a poison chalice of bullshit that no competent person wants to drink from.
Nobody has the balls to article 50 when they actually look at all the work and risk that it would put on their shoulders. And there's no legal obligation to do so because referendums are not binding in any way.
/pol/ got cucked again. Enjoy your blueballs.
>>79815258
The UK will almost certainly article 50 when there's the option of a Norway Style "wow it's nothing" deal that technically meets the aspirations of the populace.
>>79815086
If she removed a lot of the attention-seeking crap she could be a valuable ally and voice of reason. However she's done too much hypocritical shit, that her genuine moments of brilliance are largely ignored because of her reputation.
>>79815296
So never?
*HAHA COLONIAL BRITAIN GETTING WHAT IT DESERVES*
*Conveniently forgets every civilisation ever has had a territorial past*
>a territorial past
what did he mean by this
>>79815322
It'll happen.
If they're going to try and lock people in, they'll hold another referendum to overturn this one, which they'll most likely lose. Simply ignoring it is not politically viable.
>>79815095
they were threatening his kids
you're shitposting on /pol/
kys gypo
>>79815350
>>79815383
what are we watching?
>>79815414
>they were threatening his kids
>taking twitter death threats seriously
>>79810289
Guy's he has been trained at acting school, we should probably listen to his views on economic and political matters.
>>79815258
I don't see why nobody would want to invoke article 50. 52% of the country want them to do it, after all. They'd go down in history as a British legend. It's not even a surprise anymore. Nobody can rage at the fact they are doing it - it is assumed that they will do it.
Maybe Leadsom has the willpower to do it. She's practically come from nowhere, it's the perfect scenario for her. If it goes tits up she can bail and we'd all forgive her friendly granny face.
CHILCOT TOMORROW LADS
Get your popcorn fucking ready
>>79815513
Nothing will happen. Nothing.
>>79815513
To be honest I'm just practising saying "Whitewash" in my most indignant voice.
Anything short of "Tony Blair should be tried for war crimes" isn't good enough.
>>79815494
No they actually attacked him when he was in the pub with is kids
If I remember correctly Britain First retaliated
>>79815557
>>79815583
We got Brexit to actually win, lads!
Kek is on our side for now, if we will Chilcot to be a blowout it shall be so.
>>79815606
Ah yeah, missed that when skim-reading the article.
The article spends more time focusing on "Someone said to shoot him on Twitter!" The sooner the press learn that people can find out what people are saying on Twitter themselves, the better.
Britain 'will remain in the EU': Austrian minister
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Jul-05/360640-britain-will-remain-in-the-eu-austrian-minister.ashx
>by the time Nigel revealed he really was a fascist, the nation was ready.
So UK buddies, what do yall think is the likelihood of either Gove or Crabb getting to the final ballot?
Not winning, but just getting to the final 2.
>>79815634
>In recent days, it has been reported that “senior figures” from Labour and the Scottish National Party are considering an attempt to impeach Blair - which could theoretically see him banned from holding elected office and even being sent to prison - if he is strongly criticised by Chilcot.
I can't see it succeeding, but that would be a wonderful thing to watch in process if it even got remotely under-way.
>>79815835
Crabb is a non-person imo. A total cuck on QT, I'd be surprised if Joe Public had ever heard of him.
>>79815227
>Even with the receipt of income tax powers, varying the rate up is essentially not possible within the union for obvious reasons
oy vey, ya dobber. och aye, we dinna din naffin
>based on huge amounts of guesswork
you mean how much tax revenue they earn minus how much they spend? seems pretty complicated, I'll give you that
>historically wouldn't have had those debts
scots being tight with money? nah, I dinnae believe it. anyway, the law is clear on these things, if you have a joint account and your missus runs up a hefty bill, you still have to pay
>Holyrood's competence
a useless pile of shite. look at old fishmouth sturgeon strutting around the EU pretending she's important and the EU should just be DIEING to keep the huge asset that scuckland is in their club
chances of scuckland leaving the uk, slim to none, and if they do go, it'll make the rest of the UK richer, as they pay more per head for scucks than any other country
>>79815258
not activating article 50 is pretty much treason and an act of war on the people
>>79815309
I like her a bit
>>79815498
kek
>>79815513
slippery b liar will get away with it
>>79815835
I have no respect for pubic crabs, gove might be ok though
also lads i'm looking for an old electric sewing machine in shropshire area
could you give ur mums a ring and ask if shes got one going, thanks x
>>79815835
Not at all.
Gove is too hated nationally, Crabbe is a nobody.
>>79815583
Don't you mean Anthony Blair?
Redpill me on Leadsom, I know nothing of her. Is she better than Gove? And is she a statist like May?
>>79815933
>>79815916
Again, not talking about winning the public vote.
Just winning the MP vote to get on the final 2 ballot that goes to the public.
>>79815977
She's a thatcher that has socialist bones m8, cant go wrong?
>>79815966
LAWFUL GOOD HITCHENS IS SUPERIOR TO CHAOTIC NEUTRAL HITCHENS
So a shitskin paki will be running for UKIP leadership?
>>79816014
Well unless somebody here is a backbench insider you won't get an answer.
>>79815508
>I don't see why nobody would want to invoke article 50.
Besides dumpstering the markets, the pound, ensuring Scottish independence, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, reissuing of all passports at home and abroad, rewriting all of our legislation, and negotiation of all new trade deals with neighbours who now hate us. Only a political moron would push that button.
>52% of the country want them to do it, after all.
Even Boris said 52% isn't a resounding endorsement. And it isn't when you see interviews with people who voted leave saying shit like "oh fuck I didn't think my vote mattered".
>>79815977
>May
>statist
explain?
I know you can't trust her, but last week in her announcement of leadership bid she said she wants a minimal government.
I get that she wants to snoop around in my laptop for CP but as far as economics is concerned she is the opposite of a statist (in her own words)
>>79815916
All I know is he replaced IDS
>>79815513
What is this, and why does it constitute a happening?
Fill me in Bongos.
>>79816097
Maybe statist isn't the right word. I just don't really want to support someone who wants more government spying and a ban on encryption and the like
>>79816088
>Even Boris said 52% isn't a resounding endorsement. And it isn't when you see interviews with people who voted leave saying shit like "oh fuck I didn't think my vote mattered".
That's just media lies. Fuck off concern troll.
>>79815933
>you mean how much tax revenue they earn minus how much they spend?
"They" do not exist as a coherent entity in many policy areas.
Again, let us take defence. How do you calculate Scotland's portion of the "Defence" bill? Do you assign them a population share per head, or do you go digging in the Army's accounts? Will the army let you scrutinize their accounts? Do you have time to repeat this over all reserved policy areas? If not, you're going to have to guess, which opens up inaccuracies.
Similarly, in many revenue areas: How do you calculate how much VAT is earned in Scotland? You don't. You guess.
>the law is clear on these things, if you have a joint account and your missus runs up a hefty bill, you still have to pay
Actually, the law is less clear on these things in creating an independent state. In some circumstances, an independent Scottish state would have no legal obligation to take on any of the UK's debt and would sttart with a clean slate. This would immediately cut the Scottish deficit by eliminating any funding for debt servicing.
>look at old fishmouth sturgeon strutting around the EU pretending she's important and the EU should just be DIEING to keep the huge asset that scuckland is in their club
None of this is relevant to policy competence. Furthermore, it is spelled "Dying"
>chances of scuckland leaving the uk, slim to none, and if they do go, it'll make the rest of the UK richer, as they pay more per head for scucks than any other country
None of this is relevant to policy competence under devolution.
>>79816158
Slippery Ex-PM will be told what he "should" have done before going to war, rather than what he actually did before going to war.
Faces no legal consequences, shrugs, gets on with his life.
>>79815966
Excuse me, it's pronounced "Anthony Charles Lynton Blair"
>>79816158
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Inquiry
>>79816088
>And it isn't when you see interviews with people who voted leave saying shit like "oh fuck I didn't think my vote mattered".
thats the media for you. One poll showed that more Remain people were HAPPY with the result that Leave voters were UNHAPPY, by about 3%.
I think that if there was a second referendum, Leave would win even more, because none of the armageddon scenarios are transpiring - and the main reason people voted to Remain was to avoid the economic risk of leaving (which is being proven every day to be unfounded).
Also remainers have completely let themselves down since the result (especially in London), turning people away from their cause.
>>79816088
>Passing off a media narrative a reality
Fuck off
>>79815258
> checkmates brexit by making the tory party leadership is a poison chalice of bullshit that no competent person wants to drink from.
They have a political gun to their heads. They either push the button or the Tories are never elected again, because 17.5 million people would never forgive them, and most of the remainers weren't Tory voters to begin with. If the referendum was applied to FPTP the Tories would lose almost every seat in Parliament.
You're in the "bargaining" stage. Progressing nicely.
>>79816088
>ensuring Scottish independence
omg, we get to rid of those deadbeat scucks too!?
get it done!
also, betraying the will of the people is an act of civil war
New thread for when this one hits limit lads.
>>79816433
>>79816433
>>79816433
>>79816433
>>79816433
>>79816433
>>79810334
I thought he smoked Bennies as well
>>79816183
Source on banning encryption?
That'd never make it into law, businesses would lose their nut
>>79816229
>it is spelled "Dying"
aah, a newfag
welcome newfriend
the point I was making is that scuckland is a burden to the rest of the UK, and the estimates of this deficit is around 10%
in order to join the EU you have to be under 3%, not to mention that Spain will veto their application(and has already said they will) due to fears that some of it's regions may secede and join.
Scuckland has a choice of lots of UK gibsmedats or full independence, they may even be vetoed from joining NATO
>>79816343
>>ensuring Scottish independence
>omg, we get to rid of those deadbeat scucks too!?
It'll never happen. They had one referendum.
It's fine to rub their noses in staying in the uk though.
>don't_forget_you're_here_forever.jpg
>>79815933
>not activating article 50 is pretty much treason and an act of war on the people
Lel. Not really tho. Also how is not acting an act of war? Who's going to jail for not pushing the button?
Plenty of people are going to campaign on this issue. If a government is elected after running on the promise of keeping us in the EU, they'll have a valid democratic mandate to ignore the referendum result. Or we could simply ignore it anyway because we don't have the leadership who is willing to do it. So again you'd have to elect new leaders who would do it. So no matter what, the non-binding referendum is and always has been mostly meaningless.
Democracy is an ongoing process, it isn't about making irreversible decisions through referendums.
>>79810018
Not the Indians that's for sure.
>>79809772
Nationalise banks, transport and utilities
>>79816511
>Source on banning encryption?
absolute morans, even if they did ban HTTPD/TLS/VPNs etc, it's not like any actual crims would stop using
>>79816541
it's hilarious how butthurt they are
a cuntry of 6 million dictating to a country of 50ish?
>>79816573
>Lel. Not really tho. Also how is not acting an act of war? Who's going to jail for not pushing the button?
disregarding the democratic will of the people is treason, as well as war. they won't be going to jail, they'll be getting shot and stabbed by mental brillopad blokes
>>79816325
Tory votes were split on brexit, they'd be hurt either way. It's politically safer to sit on their hands than do anything that would obviously fuck the economy.
>>79816528
>and the estimates of this deficit is around 10%
And those estimates aren't relevant to Holyrood's competence, which is the point I was making. Stop trying to change the subject to independence.
>not to mention that Spain will veto their application(and has already said they will) due to fears that some of it's regions may secede and join.
This argument, if none other, needs to die.
If Scotland holds a referendum recognized by the UK government, they will allow Scotland to join. Spain's legal position is that Catalonia leaving would be unconstitutional. If the UK considered Scotland's secession to be constitutional, Spain would have to follow. Otherwise, it would be clear to everyone that they don't care about constitutionality one bit which would inflame, not calm, the Catalan situation.
Spain have never explicitly stated "We will veto Scotland joining the EU even if the UK recognize the referendum result", they've either made vague statements ("oh, it would be very hard for Scotland...") to discourage facing the issue at all, or made irrelevant statements (Scotland doesn't have the power to negotiate with the EU independently, they have to leave the UK first!)
But this is irrelevant, because we're not talking about independence, we're talking about the competence of devolved administrations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adl7O6DWQSs
>>79816705
Okay well you keep waiting for the beta uprising that will carry us out of the EU. But the political reality is that short of that, it's never going to happen.
>>79799398
Did your seaside towns really look like that back then? if so you really fucked yourself up worse than we ever could have
>>79816727
> It's politically safer to sit on their hands than do anything that would obviously fuck the economy.
I don't think you fully appreciate the consequences this would cause them in 2020.
In the meantime, imagine 17 million people rioting. Not protesting, rioting. It could lead to domestic terrorism. You've just gone and told all the legitimate hardcore BNP type nationalists out there that they will NEVER get their way through the democratic process. How do you suppose those people are going to react?
Internationally Britain's reputation would be destroyed, how's that going to help business confidence? Who is going to invest in an economy so politically unstable and untrustworthy?
The EU might even seize the opportunity to strip us of all those pesky perks we've secured over the years which hinder their integration progress. We'd be getting banter from dictators at the UN.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
>>79816736
>And those estimates aren't relevant to Holyrood's competence
really? running a huge defecit isn't incompetent?
and yes, there are a few EU cuntries that won't want scuckland to join
>>79816896
but that's teh beauty, once the first MP murder happened, it was a paradigm shift. I wouldn't be surprised if they were going to cheat to get remain before that
>>79816925
seaside? that's a river mate, possibly london
>>79817001
>running a huge defecit isn't incompetent?
Holyrood has incredibly limited revenue raising powers and by law must run a surplus.
The deficit comes from elsewhere. (Spending assigned from Westminster, and revenues raised by Westminster.)
Learn how devolution works before you talk about it.
>>79816925
Looks like a river
>>79816049
At least he isn't a mudslime, ex-muslims are a growing demographic here. If we can't DOTR or expel them then the best we hope for is they're diluted into the wider population. Plus, ex-muslims are pretty based compared to normie kikebookies, they know the enemy better than anyone.
>>79796214
Mental health issues innit.
>>79815966
Would it be churlish of me to point out that PH drinks half a bottle of wine most nights?
>>79817049
so what are the top ten things they've done? and the ten worst
>>79817210
only a half? what a lightweight
>>79799398
Remember that the powers that be are trying to pin everything on Merkel too. She was foolish and led astray, but she isn't the force behind it all.
>>79816992
>In the meantime, imagine 17 million people rioting. Not protesting, rioting.
Lmao imagination is wonderful isn't it? Daily Express readers aren't the rioting type, not many are.
>You've just gone and told all the legitimate hardcore BNP type nationalists out there that they will NEVER get their way through the democratic process. How do you suppose those people are going to react
Probably by watching Jeremy Kyle while drinking a tin of special brew in their trackies at 1pm, as usual.
>Internationally Britain's reputation would be destroyed, how's that going to help business confidence? Who is going to invest in an economy so politically unstable and untrustworthy?
Staying in the EU is the stable and trustworthy thing to do for business. You'd have to be a moron to not realise that.
>>79817424
Fuck off concern troll.
>>79817424
> Daily Express readers aren't the rioting type, not many are.
Did you miss the riots 2011? That was thousands of people. Imagine millions.
> Probably by watching Jeremy Kyle while drinking a tin of special brew in their trackies at 1pm, as usual.
I suppose you're too young to remember the IRA.
> Staying in the EU is the stable and trustworthy thing to do for business.
Not at the expense of democracy. Nobody will invest in an unstable country, and ignoring the referendum would make the country unstable for decades.
Luckily the political class isn't as idiotic as you.
>>79817258
Giving you a comprehensive list would start to get hilariously boring. Holyrood is a remarkably administrative institution, it's hard to get excited about "They found the money to give nurses a slight pay rise they were entitled to, unlike in England where they had to maintain a pay freeze", but it's a demonstrably competent administrative policy when you're operating on a fixed budget.
Free tuition would be the headline grabber. Holyrood found money by cutting other budgets that people don't care about, whereas governance from Westminster would've seen the same Blairite garbage policy of fees introduced.
(Bonus: from 1999 until 2007 there were stealth tuition fees in Scotland via the graduate endowment even though it was completely unnecessary as Holyrood had billion-pound surpluses on their fixed budgets.)
>>79817636
any refutation of the claim that more is spent on the scucks per head? i.e. that they are a net drain on the rest of the UK?
>>79818094
More is spent per head, but that follows naturally from being a more rural area.
They also generally earned more per head before the oil price crash. In 2012 Scotland was outperforming the UK financially.
(None of this is within Holyrood's competence, however.)
See, pic related.
Currently Scotland is a net drain (as is the UK as a whole, interestingly, given it runs a deficit.) but that's not worth much in terms of the wider picture of the union, both historically and in the future.
>>79817630
>Did you miss the riots 2011?
The ones that didn't change or affect anything.
Imagining millions of rioters is meaningless. I can imagine anything. I can imagine an alien invasion but it's not going to happen.
>Not at the expense of democracy.
Democracy isn't about making irreversible decisions through referendums. It's a process and this is all part of it.
Threatening imaginary riots and terrorism actually isn't part of that process.
>>79818366
>Currently Scotland is a net drain
yup
so if they want to leave, they'd be doing us a favour, and shooting themselves in the foot
not to mention they will not be able to join the EU with that defecit, and against the wishes of at least 2 other members
>>79818400
>Democracy isn't about making irreversible decisions through referendums
kek
it is! the majority rules over the minority, we won, so they must give us our prize
>>79818506
>they'd be doing us a favour, and shooting themselves in the foot
In isolation.
If the price of oil spiked to $1000 a barrel next year, then the UK would've shot themselves in the foot letting them go.
Furthermore, their deficit is a non-factor if they aren't joining the Euro (they aren't, because they'd have to join ERM2, which is (a) voluntary and (b) they don't qualify because of the deficit anyway.) and Spain isn't going to veto their entry unless their exit from the UK was unilateral (in which case nobody would recognize it and British tanks would head to Edinburgh, so not getting into the EU would be the least of their worries.)
>>79818400
I'm not threatening anything. I work on a tropical island moving money around for exceedingly wealthy people. I'm just telling you the consequences of what you're banking on far outweigh any consequences of leaving the EU. People would die. People died in 2011 over looting and "fuck the police" riots.
> Democracy isn't about making irreversible decisions through referendums.
The Conservatives were elected on the manifesto promise of holding a referendum on the issue of EU membership and honouring that result.
Parliament voted to commission the referendum.
The referendum was held.
Now you want to ignore the result because the people didn't vote the way you wanted? It would piss on the process and kill any semblance of British democratic legitimacy forever.
Good luck attracting foreign investment after that. I can tell you foreign capital investment would be non-existent.
>>79818622
>If the price of oil spiked to $1000 a barrel next year
top kek mate
>Furthermore, their deficit is a non-factor if they aren't joining the Euro
do they still pretend they can keep our pound?
>>79818712
>top kek mate
It's a hyperbolic, hypothetical example.
Making long-term national decisions such as whether or not a nation should leave the UK on the basis of this year's balance sheet is not a good idea.
>do they still pretend they can keep our pound?
They can. Sterlingisation is almost impossible to prevent, and doesn't require a currency union.
Furthermore, just because Scotland can't use the pound doesn't mean it has to use the Euro. Most likely, in all circumstances, a new currency will be proposed. (Or Sterlingisation followed by a new currency.)
>>79818853
>It's a hyperbolic, hypothetical example.
also a ridiculous one as fracking has caused a glut in the market
>They can. Sterlingisation is almost impossible to prevent,
how can they unilaterally decide to use our money?
>>79818973
>also a ridiculous one as fracking has caused a glut in the market
This still assumes that it was intended to be remotely possible, instead of generally indicative that Scotland's financial performance could improve in other ways and that in those circumstances it would be a net drain to let them go.
>how can they unilaterally decide to use our money?
How are you going to stop them? March into Scotland and take the pound notes out of everyone's hands?
Lots of countries use other nation's currencies. International currency controls are very lax.
>>79797854
They'd lose the north sea oil though
>>79819109
>How are you going to stop them?
I presume we'd ship any plates they have back to england and make it a condition of them leaving that they don't use our currency
>Scotland's financial performance could improve in other ways and that in those circumstances it would be a net drain to let them go.
well, their fishing may improve absent the common fisheries crap
>>79819457
>I presume we'd ship any plates they have back to england and make it a condition of them leaving that they don't use our currency
It's really not that simple. (Or worthwhile. It would be damaging to sterling to do so.)
Ultimately it isn't worth the trouble preventing it. It's remarkably common, albeit usually in smaller countries. (See for example, European microstates that use but do not issue Euros or have any say in Euro interest rates, etc.)
>>79819593
I don't believe you, anyway, they won't leave, because they'd be doing us a favor if they did
>>79819334
they'd lose the tax on it, as it is owned by the oil companies anyway, who would still sell it us as it's cheaper to sell tous than transport halfway round the world
>>79819716
>I don't believe you
It's a well known phenomenon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_substitution
Whether it's a good idea or not in a state the size of Scotland is another matter, but it's a policy option that's out there.
>>79818665
>Now you want to ignore the result because the people didn't vote the way you wanted? It would piss on the process and kill any semblance of British democratic legitimacy forever.
So who is going to push the button, and how are they going to do it? As I originally said, there is no plan, brexit never expected to win, and the leave camp has pretty much all resigned and wants no part in implementing any of this shit.
Short of your imaginary millions of rioters and the UK turning into the Balkans, article 50 is way too much of a liability to be enacted by anyone on the basis of a non-binding referendum with 2% margin.
>>79820079
Push the button. Give the EU whatever they want to maximise stability for both parties - most likely, a norway-style agreement where things essentially carry on as normal but Nigel Farage loses his MEP job. Sit back, relax.
>>79820171
Good start, now you just need to do several years of work to turn this vague fantasy I to an actual useful plan and find someone to impement it. Get cracking.
>>79820344
It's not a vague fantasy. It's an approach.
At every hurdle, concede, and Brexit becomes trivial. Stability is in the EU's interests, so they'll be open to a Norway-style agreement. At every hurdle, to obtain that agreement all the UK government has to do is concede. (i.e. on free movement, which is the big one.)
Because it is also in the EU's interests, they will follow.
I'm not even particularly interested in Brexit, but it's inevitably going to happen because it's so trivial to meet the technical requirements of it while actually changing nothing.
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