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Christians post here
In particular, those who are part of the One Church Christ founded (Orthodox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiemtHphY3w
Here is a reading list for those interested in Orthodox, along with FAQ to objections from atheists...Catholics...Protestants...Jews...liberals...Muslims
>>79645656
>Here is a reading list for those interested in Orthodox, along with FAQ to objections from atheists...Catholics...Protestants...Jews...liberals...Muslims
Forgot the actual pastebin
Here: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>79645656
I dig that M2TW:Crusades theme song too man.
>>79645656
>>79646072
Man, fuck the crusades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZPgGbUuX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MibOaCzrNEo&index=1&list=PLQedE7y1tHfclTkGYc7o8UWq-txxDUVrX
>>79645656
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
What did he mean by this?
How did the authors of the "Bible" know that Heaven and Hell exists?
>>79647202
He means women are to be able to by on the ground with the men (instead of having to sit in cordoned balconies, as was the prior Jewish custom), and that Jews and Greeks are not to have separate parishes, and that slaves and free are not to have separate places of worship.
>>79647294
You can experience them on earth
>>79645656
Galatians is the best book.
Through the Law, I died to the law.
>>79648204
>You can experience them on earth
You're making Christians look even more retarded than they normally look.
>>79648808
That's Orthodox doctrine, dude. Heaven and hell are just being permeated by God, we're already in them. When you become fully conscious, the permeating is either light (bliss, heaven) or fire (agony, hell). That's the source of light for things like halos, it was so strong for Moses he had to wear a veil
I'd be Christian if Jesus wasn't such a pushover
>>79648989
The fedora meme just shows that Christians can't argue against Atheists.
>>79647140
>Posting commie propaganda.
>>79649048
What argument? You just made a snarky comment against a whole group of people.
>>79649169
Depicting something that actually happened.
>>79647140
Crusades would have been cool if it had been the church leading the armies instead of various nobles going of their own volition.
Anyone familiar with this Bible? I'm thinking about getting it.
>>79649563
I'd get the RSV if you're going that route. It avoids the shitty inclusive language and, imo, reads a lot better. I've got a pocket sized bible with apocrypha that's RSV, I can't recommend it enough.
>>79649373
I asked a question and got a retarded answer.
Praise the almighty pasta with meatballs, for it is the true savior. Mmmhhh
>>79649538
The Church did sound out their own sometimes, like the Templars, who were certainly better than the secular armies.
>>79649563
What he said
>>79649680
If you're intent on that, go for the RSV, the NSRV is terrible and changes the translation of words all the time to push their agenda
>>79649910
>The Church did sound out their own sometimes, like the Templars, who were certainly better than the secular armies.
That's what I'm saying homie. The schism might not be a thing any more if the nobles hadn't gotten involved.
>>79649839
t. ahmed mohammed
>>79645656
Christfags need to dies and stop spamming their shitty threads, true kekhold will reclaim this board.
>>79649839
t. Mahmoud Salam Hussein al-Berliner
Praise Christ! We are the silent majority!
>>79650224
>unironically worshiping idols
>>79650052
I think once the Donation of Constantine became a meme, schism was inevitable, unfortunately. But there would have been a lot more of a chance of reconciliation if it weren't for secular soldiers in the crusades, that's true.
>>79649473
I really liked that part when teutonic order started use the cross as a weapon.
>>79650363
>Donation of Constantine
When I learned about that it was my first inkling that something was rotten in Denmark. They sure didn't mention that in RCIA.
>>79650453
Good reflection of "let God sort 'em out" theology.
>>79650333
Silent? I hear little boys crying every time I walk by the church.
>>79650664
t. achmed achmed bin cockhead
>>79650606
The RCC is right, Peter is the rock (but all Apostles are also rocks, as per Saint Jerome, and Revelation 21:14, but Peter is the rock of rocks). However, there seems to be a confusion as to what that means: it has to do with Peter's role in *founding* the Church, obviously a role that isn't passed on. And it is not an office Peter holds distinction from bishop, in 1 Peter 5 he appeals to other bishops merely as "a fellow bishop", not as any other office.
tl:dr Peter's person is the rock, not Peter's chair.
>>79650350
>Unironically worshiping a kike Rabbi that teaches you to be a cuck and that pride is a sin
>>79645656
Her face clearly says don't talk to me or my son ever again.
>>79650641
It was an irony. This movie is a propaganda.
>"let God sort 'em out" theology.
You know it's a myth, right?
>>79650842
>using the word cuck in a context that makes no sense
At least make an effort to learn the language.
>>79650809
Yeah I'm way beyond that now, I'm that dude who was talking to you about converting.
>>79650961
I don't think so, since it is recorded by a contemporary, not hundreds of years later.
>>79650980
Oh, well that's great! Hope it's going well for you.
>>79645656
>In particular, those who are part of the One Church Christ founded (Orthodox)
Ha ha ha ha. But seriously, repent.
>>79651197
Priest had an emergency come up so there was no liturgy at the time I was in town. Gonna have to wait until next week for my first Liturgy of St. Basil.
>>79650785
whoah all these christian "arguments" just keep coming, WTF
>>79651315
I don't argue with muslims, there's no getting through that kind of indoctrination.
>>79651299
Enjoy your modernism.
>>79650980
It makes sense, you are just Autistic.
>>79651530
It really doesn't. Jesus teaches us to let other men have sex with our wives? I've never heard that before in my life.
>>79651302
Liturgy of Saint Basil is great
My priest was out as well, but we had a replacement come in from a nearby monastery. My parish is Greek Orthodox, but he was a Romanian who didn't speak English that well, let alone Greek, but he gave a great sermon on how we in America often focus so much on freedom we forget that obedience is a virtue, whereas freedom is not a virtue, but a gift. He talked about how important obedience is in the family and the Church and society in general, but he was smiling the whole time and was very lighthearted about what would otherwise sound like a stern homily. He even said how when his mother sees him she tells him always to "be good", and thinks for a moment how ridiculous that she would tell him that since he's a monk and a priest, but then he remembers obedience and that she is his mother, and tries to apply her command.
>>79645656
Fuck off neojews.
>>79651315
>SCIENCE IS THE TRUTH AND THE WAY
>TRUST ME. IT'S LIKE THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW ANYTHING
one holy catholic apostolic church>>>>>>>>>>>>orthodox, protestant
>>79651299
The Patriarch doesn't attend any "Muslim friendship dinners", what on earth are you talking about? We've had several patriarchs put to death by the Turks, and to this day the Patriarch still clashes with the government over there very openly.
>>79651197
I don't get it. But lets drop this topic. Tell me, why easter orthodox church is so irrelevant. They didn't make any progress in christanization of other nations since XI century. Catholic church become signifigant power in the whole world not only becouse spain colonies, but also becouse he sent missionaries (like in Korea, China). Second question what is the thing with icons? Don't you worship them a little too much? Isn't that idolatry?
>>79651788
Oh and
>>79649473
You have completely bowed down to Muslims and they didn't even occupy you! Yet we continue to resit them even under the enormous pressure of their rule.
How sad is that?
>>79651393
I believe in the flying Spaghetti Monster, that should've been clear.
I bet that you would never even consider that your belief comes from indoctrination too. Only what "I" believe is right, right? You should read a psychology book. But be warned, it could open your eyes.
Kekism has replaced Christianity. Give up your worship of false jew gods.
>>79651717
Science is for facts.
Religion is for feels.
Learn the difference.
Life nees both to survive.
>>79651836
We sent plenty missionaries to China, they were wiped out in the Boxer Rebellion
Icons are to us like reflections or widows. So obviously very important. We don't worship them as things in themselves though anymore than kissing a skype screen with someone you love on it is worshiping the screen
>>79651900
>I believe in the flying Spaghetti Monster
Right, Allah, like I said.
>implying the FSM isn't allah
>implying atheists aren't just muslims
>>79651874
All the ass kissing of JP2 Catholics do even after the horrors he spawned at the world day of prayer in Assissi was the last straw for me, I knew when I read about it I could no longer be a member of that church.
>>79651592
>Words only can be understood literally
There's your Autism.
>>79651299
>catholics thinking they are superior
you fucking nerds
>>79651984
>[Only] science is for facts
Prove it
>>79651504
>Implying that Gates of Hell prevailed our doctrines'n'shit
Nigga, you have no idea what are you talking about. We still have FSSP, anit-modernist encyclicas and what is best we have Salvation. Ark of Peter may go through storm and She may capsize by I will not trade my Soul for a """based""" Orthodoxy that I can "enjoy" for next x years on Earth.
>>79645656
Christians are closet homosexual all horny about the faggot named Jesus
Prove me wrong.
>>79652128
Are we redefining words now? Are we leftists?
Stop raping me, shitlord.
>>79652233
Go apologize to some gays.
>>79652171
We are the humble servants of each other. We just like to laugh at """Christians""". Laugh is good. But even when we laugh at you, we know that Schematics>>>>>>>>>Heretics.
>>79652331
Cuck has be redefined for a long time now, are you new here?
>>79652040
I didn't heard of any succesful orthodox mission even before boxer revolution. Russians even didn't try to convert siberian people. Easter Orthodox just stopped in IX century. They didn't gain any new followers.
>>79652424
Well, I didn't have internet for a few years when I lived in the holler. I may be a little out of touch with the memes.
>>79652434
Wrong, there were a ton of missions all the way to Alaska (which is 5% Orthodox to this day).
>mfw a schismatic says they are "the one true church
>mfw schismatics cannot directly draw all ordinations back to St. Peter, the rock upon which Christ built his church.
>mfw schismatics do not embrace the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
>mfw I have no face.
>>79652084
>Right, Allah, like I said.
I didn't think the arguments could get any better, but look at this masterpiece.
Did your local preacher scream propaganda while he fucked your tiny ass?
>>79645656
The One Church ?
The Ortodox Church is not unified, what are you talking about?
>>79652659
And an Allah Akbar to you too my muslim friend.
Keep making these threads, anon. Ignore the militant atheist shills
>>79652692
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
It goes on from there, but it's pretty similar to what the Orthodox people say.
Schismatics Repent! You may even keep your customs like the Eastern Churches in Communion with Rome, all you must do is submit to the the primacy of the bishop of Rome! Rejoin the one universal Church and be redeemed in Christ! Rejoin your brother Christians and rejoice and be glad! Is it not time to reject the sins of your forebears and come as a lamb back to the flock of Christ?
>>79653237
>accept the primacy of men who kiss korans and tell us to say sorry to the gays
Enjoy your modernism.
>>79652692
God from God, Light from Light
True God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father;
through Him all things were made.
For us and our salvation, He came down from Heaven.
>>79652498
>5% in Alaska
Oh, I was wrong. Orthodox missions really are effective. The point is, Eastern Orthodox just stucked in XI century.
>>79651788
Dunno, I am not person that wrote this. Nor am I historian. Ask on /his/ or something. And that doesn't change a fact that Patriarch was a vassal of sultan.
>>79652331
>>79653361
>He doesn't know that we have a demon worshiping Pope once and we still recovered
You really think, that we must obey Pope, did you?
Is this a serious topic, like, reading relevant material on the subject or just guessing ?... I'm a monkey but I can guess...
>>79653439
>member of a schismatic sect that emphasizes the need for submission to the pope
>doesn't obey the pope
wew lad
Pathetic believers.
This is the worst mass ever
For the homily, the priest is FUCKING CORRECTING GOD'S PRONOUNS
I SHOULD HAVE GONE TO AN ORTHODOX MASS AAAUUGH
>>79653711
Come home, Christian man.
What's the best way of experiencing as much Orthodoxy as possible without physically attending an Orthodox church?
Orthodoxy makes a lot of sense to me. I've read books from a strong proponent of their theology (despite the author himself actually being protestant just like me). I was also impressed by one book by Vladimir Lossky I read and his way of explaining the differences between western and eastern churches. Orthodox doctrine seem to fit my personality the best. I tent to get annoyed and disappointed in people whenever I attend protestant churches, even though the experience is far from 100% negative. But the focus on people seem to be a bit too strong, whereas in orthodoxy the focus seem to be on the liturgy. Thing is, there's no orthodox churches available close to where I live. What tricks do you recommend.. I don't want to move . I also want to more or less stay the recluse basement dweller I am. I'm not talking about a full substitute, I know there's no such thing.. but getting as close as possible so to speak.
>>79653237
>Rejoin the one universal Church
>A unified church
Is there really any current movement or something there to "unify" all the churches? Cant imagine something like that to happen (unless there are so few believers left that keeping all the branches apart doesnt benefit anyone anymore)
>>79652692
I think you're conflating "unified" with "centralized"
>>79653436
Pretty effective considering the conversion was before Alaska was sold. We're obviously not going to be as effective at converting other Christians.
>>79653439
>Patriarch was a vassal of sultan.
In Turkish law, that doesn't mean the Patriarch accepted that, which is why several were killed by the Ottoman state.
>>79653513
here
>>79645746
>>79653711
Episcopal Church I guess? Why the hell any sane person is still there?
>>79653850
I'd email your nearest priest and ask him if he could set up a mission nearby.
>>79654029
>"All-male images of God are hierarchical images rooted in the unequal relation between women and men," she writes. "Once women no longer relate to men as patriarchal fathers, lords, and kings in society, these images become religiously inadequate. Instead of evoking the reality of God, they block it."[8]
>She is a Distinguished Professor of Theology at Fordham University, a Jesuit institution in New York City.
>>79653850
go to church mang
Some guy sent me a youtube of an Orthodox mass and it was pretty kickass. Then again, I have many Orthodox churches near me if I wanted to give it a shot. And also beautiful cathedrals with yuge church organs, high IQ priests, and everything else a person could want.
>>79653850
Listen to our hymns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
>>79654189
Jesuits are the cancer of catholic church.
>>79653850
Read the classics, and Scholaticism, I can recommend Tertulian, Boethius, Saint Thomas Aquinas, you'll realize other stuff.... also the answer to most of your questions.
>>79654029
Jesuit Catholic church at my university. ..
The priest even called himself a "crazy liberal jesuit", in the homily
This is what I get for not waking up early and going to the good mass
>>79654509
Why do you still put up with it brother? I put up with it for as long as I could but enough is enough.
you guys are just retarded pseudo muslims
i hope you realize that
>>79654309
This is beautiful.
I didn't get a minor in music because of one of the prerequisites, but taking music history courses almost ever semester was worth the money.
>>79654670
*teleports behind you*
*inserts banana*
Pssht, fear my enlightenment, kid.
>>79654691
There's plenty more, but many are in east European languages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLwutElZ-s
>>79646322
jesus looked like a fucking palestinian dude, not like that
>>79654509
Fucking jesuits. Once this order was shut down, I hope in future it will also happen.
>>79654468
Tertulian and Aquinas are definitely not Orthodox, although Aquinas did write some good stuff.
Boethius is a great philosopher, but he won't teach you anything about Orthodoxy
>>79654691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
>>79653098
>>79653377
Ok, this I understand
>>79653928
Ortodox Church is not unified (doctrine) or centralized.
Since the very beginning the Bishop of Rome was the leader of the Church.
Mt XVI, 16-19
Even Jesus said that
Jo XXI, 26
>>79654874
>>79654691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9LdHm7RFC8
I'm saving up for a visit to mount Athos. I'm scared
https://youtu.be/5D8OxrSZZU8
>>79654874
Thank you.
It breaks my heart that music is no longer seen as an important part of a child's education. Maybe it's not for everybody, but I believe it exemplify a high calling.
Do you like Bach at all?
>>79654874
better version of 135 psalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9L7_59PE_A
>>79647294
because they literally saw them. Nice try though, I'm sure your religion is shit (fyi atheism is more of a religion than any religion)
>>79655041
We're not centralized, but was are 100% unified on doctrine.
I've already addressed Peter here
>>79650809
Don't conflate Peter's special place with the Donation of Constantine
>>79654907
False, Romans described Jesus as having light brown hair and light eyes, Scientist that made that model are Mexican intellectual tier retards. they made an average Arab and assumed that Jesus looked like that. Today still exist people that are genetically close to ancient Jews, like the cohanim and Samaritans, google Samaritans tons of them are light and don't look like half negro Arabs.
>>79645656
Got into an argument with a Muslim about Trump. He said trump is racist because he wants to ban all Muslims. I told him only temporarily so that they can be vetted before being let in. I have him the example that Israelis would be banned from Saudi Arabia and would have to go through vetting before being let in for tied to Mossad.
Then he said that 90% of the world has to be Muslim because his said so in the Quran. He said that Europe will be Muslim and then he said that there are 56 million Muslims in Western Europe now and that Europe will be eradicated by Muslims. He said this with a smile on his face and great joy.
I told him he's calling for holy war and he said yeah and that the west was losing and that we deserved it for Israel and our involvement in the Middle East.
This guy is a westernized, moderate Muslim and he is calling for the destruction of Europe and western civilization. No Muslim can be a friend.
What do you guys think? Is the west doomed?
>>79655032
What I meant by my answer was mostly against what other people were saying against religion itself, those men were examples on an Era when Christianity was still becoming what it was supposed to be regardless of any ideology and if you read their works you can understand and overcome all the bs people are spitting around, but I appreciate you taking notice of me, senpai
>>79655359
Hey, if you like Bach, you might enjoy some of the compositions by His Eminence Hilarion, who is a *tremendous* fan of Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kC13O-GdMw
>>79654309
Are there many Orthodox churches in the UK? It's the only Type of Christianity that really draws me, protestantism and catholicism just don't appeal to me at all. How do you choose which church to join, i.e. eastern/oriental etc?
>>79655359
I appreciate what the whole Baroque period meant for music, but I don't know more Bach than the Toccata and Fugue in D Minor
I like early Renaissance music though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrFvp1xOdA
>>79655718
>How do you choose which church to join, i.e. eastern/oriental etc?
It was easy in my case, the only Orthodox Church within driving distance is an Oriental Orthodox.
>>79647199
how funny it sounds when these prayers are sung in any other language than Old Church Slavonic
>>79655270
I heard monks in Athos described last council in creta as brigandish. I guess Orthodox also have hard times.
>>79655718
Yes.
Eastern and Oriental are both fully valid and One Church. The anathemas are mainly a political divisions, we already fully recognize each other's formulas and both as equally valid, and if your either, you can take communion at both, generally speaking.
There are plenty of Orthodox parishes in the UK
>>79655718
As an ethnic east European, I was born in my faith
We are pretty much exclusively Eastern Orthodox (rather than Oriental)
>>79655908
*you're either
>>79655761
Ever heard this guy? Modern classical compositions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od1ZbV9rutI
>>79655761
>Fugue in D Minor
This guy interprets it in my favorite way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgDMxs4aHZU
I remember being a little kid playing with legos or whatever else on the floor and my parents would have various kinds of music on in the background. And then Bach would come on and it lasted for what seemed like hours and it felt like I'd just got run over by a train and I didn't know what had happened.
Based Bach.
And they also bought me any kind of musical instrument I wanted to play. Based parents.
>>79655842
Monks in Athos are self-sufficient and can't leave the area unless their elders tell them, generally for visiting of founding a new monastery.
>>79655619
>Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev: I do not know anything in classical music more sublime, meaningful, profound and spiritual than Bach’s works. Bach is a colossus; his music contains a universal element that is all-embracing. As the poet Joseph Brodsky said, “In every piece of music there is Bach. In each of us there is God.”
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/an-interview-with-metropolitan-hilarion-alfeyev
>>79656048
Pompous as FUCK
I like it
>>79645656
>Christian General
>It's an Orthodox shill thread
We need a comfy Catholic General without all these heretics desu senpai
>>79656436
I found him through /mu/ of all places. That board is a cesspit but the sharethread there is a font of good things.
>>79656708
Why aren't you out apologizing to gays? Follow your leader.
>>79655941
So are most of the Services given in Eastern European languages? There's one in my area and I'm seriously considering going to the liturgy but I'm worried I'll be the only Brit there. No hate towards eastern Europeans, I just don't want to come across like a tourist.
>>79656190
Good stuff. Saving it on my computer
I'm getting into the more religious side of pre-Modern music myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxp74hB-4Zw
>>79656823
Bach literally invented even temperment, spent his life writing things like mere fugues just for practice while he was paid to write church music, and cranked out like two dozen kids.
There were many madmen in history, but J.S. was definitely one of them.
>>79655105
holy balls, this is straight up in Serbian lang
>>79656796
It really depends. Ethnic churches will sometimes do it in the native language but the liturgy is translated into every language. I'd just call the priest and ask.
>>79656796
Dude it's your country. You're more than welcome to come in our churches
Services are usually conducted in foreign, but here's the postcode of a VERY good monastery that does Greek AND English for whenever you have some more time: CM9 8EZ
It's called Monastery Of Saint John The Baptist and I've heard quite a few Brits there
>>79656796
Service language varies heavily, it depends on the crowd. If you are looking for one sure to be in English, consider Antiochian, converts are their meat and potatoes
>>79657141
Serbs are Orthodox brothers in faith ;^)
>he worships jews
yeeees, good goyim
>>79657086
Sounds like a pretty based guy
>>79657204
>Dude it's your country
I know, I'm just aware of how insular Eastern Europeans can be and I can't be fucked sitting through a service in a language I can't understand being surrounded by people who don't want me there. Cheers for the adress but I'm way up in Scotland.
>>79657277
My God, this must have happened after I took all the Catholic feeds off of my RSS. I feel so justified in my decision to become Orthodox.
>>79645656
>God has blessed war
>God blessed slaughter
Fuck off you piece of shit, and stop breaking canons.
>>79657518
Trust me, Orthodox want you there. It may take a few times of you coming for them to realize you're serious and not just trying to be a religious hipster, but once you've made it clear you are interested in the faith for it being the One Church, you will be extremely welcomed.
>>79655440
Based as fuck. Thanks!
>>79657482
No, you jews will worship US.
>Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Rev 3:9)
>>79657607
Okay, I I'll go to the next liturgy. Every other religion/sect has seemed off but Orthodoxy just seems comfortable to me, I can't really explain it. Initially I was drawn to Catholicism but I felt it was too indulgent and self-obsessed.
>>79657570
See the Orthodox opinion of the EU here
http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/on-conquering-nationalism-and-globalism/
>>79657855
You will love it!
>>79653518
Since when we are schismatics? YOU were excommunicated (well, not really you). YOU broke out from Church built on Peter. And WE are schismatics? You are Arius tier.
Also, if you have no idea how Papal supermacy works do not speak about it. Go, find Vaticanum I documents and read them. Or Catheism, that will do too.
>>79653928
But he did it. Those killed patriarchas was a
exception. Good exception but still an exception.
>>79654189
>>79654509
>Not going on Latin Mass
You are here too blame
>>79654907
Ha ha, No.
>>79657518
>I know, I'm just aware of how insular Eastern Europeans can be
In general, and in Orthodoxy especially, we need to keep ourselves away from corrupting influences
>Cheers for the address but I'm way up in Scotland.
Holy Shit I've got nothing for you in Scotland
Best thing I can offer you is: Matthew 6:5-6
I don't really go to Church that much anyway. Try to make your life a lot more about your faith than about your Church or denomination
>>79658019
>Since when we are schismatics?
When you forged the donation of Constantine and took it on yourselves to crown a new Roman Emperor.
>>79656796
Pretty much yes, Church is very anti-intellectual and for now as it is has little interest to spread or adapt - if it goes in a country - it tends to stick up for decades to same old eastern languages.
Even within countries that been orthodox for as long a sit was possible, the bible is not treated as an important translation - most orthodox countries today including Greece use a protestant criticaul study based translation - and ever since 1500 - with one exception for a small period of time, every single translation was pretty much based on protestant texts, there was once a print that was based pretty much entirely on codex alexandrinus.
With the exception of gospols which in 1904 were written as a "majority text" from some scrolls Mt. Athos had - there''s nothing official.
And even that, it's just there as a museum piece for now - because orthodox countries ignored it and still based their new testament translation of protestant versions.
Eastern Orthodoxy is mostly a money shitting machine at this point, people are not genuinely interested in it, world wide a great deal of clergy is just power hungry and interested to gain more for them and do as little as possible ( amazingly corruption within Church is smaller than corruption within other institutions ) - but it's still there.
At least Catholic church as corrupt as it is - handles its infrastructure and everything else much better.
I don't know what to believe anymore - there are two contemporany saints in Mt. Athos - St. Porphyrios and St. Paisios - they both contradicted each other, and pretty much had different philosophical approach over the whole scheme of things.
Paisios spoke about war, and it being blessed by God - he showed up on a tv show and done lots of questionable things...
>>79658078
>Matthew 6:5-6
Thanks mate, all the best. There's a church in my town and I might go to check it out but atm I'm going to just keep reading.
Is it okay to racemix with a maronite lebanese girl?
>>79658227
Take care my friend
>>79649688
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
It's the way you ask as well, if you walk into a church already thinking you're morally superior, no one is ever going to want to talk to you.
Just like that pretty girl from your class, we'll brush you aside or ignore you
>>79658227
You should check it out. I'm not a regular like I should be, but it's always comfy when I go.
Definitely read, but there's no comparison to the experience of it.
>>79657878
>orthodox opinion
No, orthodox opinion is Jesus opinion and the words saints said they got from the Holy Spirit.
Also very importantly the canonical decisions of holy councils.
Lots of priests today give their un-orthodox opinions about situations that happen.
Our Church is not not of this world - it just looks fancy and seems to have an complex administration because people still hang on the Byzantine tradition, when they had a king to persuade into forcing with his army some canonical facts, and other state founded projects like art, architecture of Church.
Look where at the countries where orthodox is the majority - they aren't prosperous most of them, in some cases the suicide rates are higher than other places. Our Church again is not of this world and never was - just being orthodox does not make you a better citizen, you yourself make a better citizen.
Church opinion on such political matters and should be simply ignored from the start, don't waste your time with anti-intellectual opinions of some pseudo-smart priest
>>79658456
>Just like that pretty girl from your class, we'll brush you aside or ignore you
Honestly it's the only way to handle atheists. It's fun to see them getting flustered when you won't take them seriously.
>>79658543
Nationalism and globalism are still shit, though.
>>79658220
Don't listen to this guy >>79658227
He's a fedora who things our Orthodox Church is the same as our Orthodox Faith
The former can be easily corrupted, while the latter cannot
>>79658638
Yea they're both shit, but the world is moving into a globalism stage, and it can be good - after one / two generations of sacrifice and hard work - at least for our offspring's.
>>79658162
>When you forged the donation of Constantine and took it on yourselves to crown a new Roman Emperor.
Then why you waited 250 years to announce it? And how 100% political decision have any power in the matter of faith?
>>79658726
Are you actually FOR globalism? Holy shit I am disgusted by what my fellow co-nationals think
>>79658726
>he world is moving into a globalism stage, and it can be good -
No.
>>79658785
>And how 100% political decision have any power in the matter of faith?
The bishop in Rome succumbed to the third temptation Christ faced in the desert.
>>79657482
>Christ is a jew
>he created everything
how can this be?
>>79658726
In ce sens ar putea fi globalizarea buna?
>>79657586
bro, is this Romanian language?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSK5ibE4-9g
>>79659375
Yes.
i am catholic, but i really like the orthodox church so much
>>79659375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGH8CoQuCb4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_in_excelsis_Deo
It's called the Greater Doxology
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew:6:7
The Bible just called every Catholic on earth a heathen... How will they every recover?
>>79658989
>The bishop in Rome succumbed to the third temptation Christ faced in the desert.
...By giving a civil power to some king from the barbaric north.
>>79659792
There's nothing vain about saying "I love you."
>>79659792
I think that the best way to pray is in private, not in Church
The Church can act as a community gathering, but if it's become corrupted, then it must be abandoned
>>79659873
Are you saying there was no power to be had whatsoever from that arrangement?
Naive.
>>79659911
Meanwhile at Catholic confession:
>That was very bad of you, Timmy. Now go and do 50 'Our Fathers' and 100 'Hail Mary's'.
>>79659944
Best way to pray is to never stop doing it. In public, private, in sleep.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
>>79660039
>it's wrong to pray the prayer Jesus taught us
>It's wrong to remember the incarnation
Protestants, ladies and gentlemen.
>>79660039
I once asked a nun what would happen if we were to murder. She said, well, maybe the priest would have you say a few rosaries, but then you would be forgiven.
I thought that was a bunch of bullshit. But you will be forgiven, even if she didn't explain it right.
>>79660101
Amen
So you're not a fedora?
>>79660262
Kys.
>>79659944
This isn't about praying a prayer out loud in Church, this is about Catholics repeating Hail Mary and Our Father thousands of times in their lifetime.
They even repeat the prayer that is stated RIGHT UNDER the verse where it says you shouldn't repeat prayers. I am seriously thinking 99% of Catholics don't actually read the bible.
Matthew 6:7 : Don't use repetition
Matthew 6:9-13 : the prayer Catholics repeat all the time.
>>79660316
You're an idiot. Why claim sola scriptura when you can't even interpret it right?
>>79660125
>Takes all meaning out of the words and uses them as a punishment for doing something wrong
>Idolatry
Catholics ladies and gentleman
>>79660294
I've never understood the hostility we randomly have for our co-nationals
We do have a lower on average IQ to Westerners but it still surprises me to this day
>>79660125
He gave an example of how to pray. By praying a full paragraph from your heart.
You are saying it does not say not to repeat prayers 2 verses above the verse you repeat?
>>79660487
Dumb frog poster.
>>79660449
Thanks for pointing out where I misinterpreted a very clear verse.
Oh wait you didn't
>>79645656
The real miracle of Jesus was not that he was god in the flesh, no there had been many who were believed to be gods in human form before and after him.
The miracle that Jesus showed was that a Man could live a life free of sin, for no one but him has done such in all of time.
>>79660499
It says not to pray in vain repititions. There is nothing vain in the Our Father. There is nothing vain in the hail mary. You want to hear a vain prayer? Here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOlO3S6HGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tf8D6ogBg
>>79660316
>This isn't about praying a prayer out loud in Church, this is about Catholics repeating Hail Mary and Our Father thousands of times in their lifetime.
>They even repeat the prayer that is stated RIGHT UNDER the verse where it says you shouldn't repeat prayers. I am seriously thinking 99% of Catholics don't actually read the bible.
>Matthew 6:7 : Don't use repetition
>Matthew 6:9-13 : the prayer Catholics repeat all the time.
I think it's the way our faith got Hebrew-ised back into Pharisaic practices as it institutionalised into The Church
The best way is to keep it simple, down to earth, and a straight to the point approach to the Bible
Greetings brothers, how are you all doing tonight?
>>79660547
Go to sleep mate. It's already 02:30 back home
>>79660690
>The real miracle of Jesus was not that he was god in the flesh
muslim shoo shoo
Is there any good crusade movie which displays the actual life during crusades?
>>79655619
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
>>79660819
sup brother, good just reading on exorcisms and trying to take RCIA classes for september with university
>>79660724
> for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
You seriously don't see the connection?
>Dont repeat prayers mindlessly like heathens, they think they shall be heard because they said it so many times.
>Oh man I really want this promotion, better say my Hail Mary 100 times.
It IS vain to think you are doing God a service by praying the same thing over and over, not putting effort or heart in it.
>>79661023
Kingdom of Heaven wasn't bad. Before someone butts in about how it portrayed Saladin as dindu nuffin remember that Saladin was seen as a chivalric ideal even at that time.
>>79661124
>It IS vain to think you are doing God a service by praying the same thing over and over, not putting effort or heart in it.
I'll agree with you there. But if you mean the words when you say them, what is vain about it?
>>79656048
Lully is great and possibly underrated, but Bach is the most sublime composer in my opinion. Talking of orthodox music, Bortniansky and some of the authentic Byzantine chants are amazing, as are some works by Rachmaninov, Gretchaninov, etc.
I get the feeling a lot of you guys are larping and love the church more than christ, especially the tripfag who makes these threads, very spergy.
>>79661237
Same way the protestants love the bible more than Christ. We're all capable of falling into idolatry, what is your point?
>>79645656
I loved the Orthodox Church before it turned mainstream. Nowadays I find I don't need religious faith, I prefer to explore various possibilities of the human life, body and language.
The Church wasn't there when my life turned to shit some years ago. I lost faith then.
>>79661237
Christ gave us the church and the sacraments inside of it. Of course we love the church, but we love christ the most
>>79661212
Because you are not telling God why YOU think He is great. How YOU are thankful for your good fortune or how YOU need His help to get through bad times.
Would your rather get a handcrafted #1 dad mug and a letter for Fathers Day or a Hallmark© card with no writing?
>>79661237
If there's anything that separates me from the church more than anything else these days, it's the pope.
But I had some rough times well before that happened, and that's why I won't be swayed based on the failings of the church.
>>79661385
>Because you are not telling God why YOU think He is great. How YOU are thankful for your good fortune or how YOU need His help to get through bad times.
You don't think there's room for both personal prayer and the words of Jesus Christ the Son of God made flesh?
Fucking protestants, I swear.
>>79661370
what did they mean by this?
>>79661547
>son
*word
But you knew what I meant.
>>79661341
>putting your faith in any Church, not solely in God
>>79661587
Late medieval times people were really edgy.
>>79661719
Which God?
>>79661547
(I'm not a Protestant)
If God CLEARLY said to make your prayers personally and with love and DONT repeat prayers like HEATHENS. Why can you not accept that?
Do you call up your parents and play a recording of your last conversation?
>>79661793
Are you a muslim then?
Either way, Jesus said it, I say it, it's good enough for me. You go and be creative if you want, see where it gets you.
>>79661763
I believe in the God of the Christian Bible
>>79661793
>>79661547
Our Father was an EXAMPLE not an instruction
>>79661928
You know this how? On one hand I have the people who knew Jesus believing otherwise. On the other hand I have a man with a book written by these people claiming that he /really/ knows what it means. Not a hard decision to make.
>>79661897
Senpai you were born Orthodox right? What happened? Became protestant? Secularized so much you have broken opinions about Church?
>>79661763
Why will you not believe in God?
>>79662082
Have you not read the Bible?!
>After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (Matthew 6:9)
AFTER THIS MANNER. He did not say: Pray these words. He did not say change it around a little bit. He gave an example of a prayer and you should make your prayers AFTER THIS MANNER.
Do Catholics seriously just listen to what the priest says on Sundays and never read the Bible themselves?
>>79662265
I don't think we serve the same God.
>>79662252
I guess so. Born orthodox and was an atheist for a while after that
There is nothing that can even come close to the importance of God
Church included
>>79662357
My bible doesn't say "After this manner."
>>79661719
Well, I can use other words than God (karma, nature as lived and witnessed, etc.) and muse around with philosophy, poetry, etc.
>>79662082
You really believe the words passed on by hundreds of generations of corruptible man over the Bible?
Man you need to find Christ.
>>79662435
I don't even have a denomination to be honest. If anything, I'm more all-encompassing than any particular brand of Christianity would be
I just follow the Bible in the best way God chooses to reveal It to me
>>79662514
does it say the same prayer word for word in each of the gospels?
if he really wanted you to repeat it word for word, the authors really bungled that.
>>79662583
Fuck off, heretic. I'm done talking with you. If I wouldn't get sent to prison for it I'd burn down every fucking heretic church I see.
>>79662607
So you're a protestant in disguise.
Heretic nonetheless.
>>79662651
Sounds like you got some Satan in you.
>>79662576
I've mused around so many philosophies that they have led me literally nowhere
Only Christ can deliver peace
>>79662738
Personal interpretation of scripture is satanic.
>>79662514
And what Bible do you have? A Catholic one? That is your problem.
Check this out: http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-9.htm
The only version that says to pray it literally is the Douay-Rheims Bible. You don't find that suspicious at all?
>>79662757
He doesn't. PTSD and disabled for years, religion doesn't do shit.
>>79662851
Everybody is free to do w/e he wants. Aren't you sharing democratic values pall?
>>79662701
A Protestant is someone who historically separated from the Catholic Church
I have separated from the Orthodox Church
Would you have the balls to call me a heretic after you have read this? - James 1:26
>>79662651
You need God more than you realise, try praying like a conversation today, not repeating someone else allready told God.
>>79662894
They all say some variation of "pray this." Anything beyond that is your (satanic) interpretation.
>>79662957
Democracy is idolatry.
>>79663059
The day I take advice from a protestant is the day I take a bullet to the roof of my mouth.
Is it true that the Vatican owns the biggest gay bathhouse in Rome?
Joe Rogan keeps talking about it but he is a fedora
>My parents were raised muslim but they chose to be atheist after the Islamic "Revolution" in Iran
>I was raised atheist
>I want to be christian
How do I join up guys? I am not thoroughly convinced that God is real, but I respect Jesus and his teachings. Is there like a starter package or something?
>>79663218
Do you believe that Jesus-Christ is God born of God?
>>79663111
Again, not a Protestant. The all either say "like this" or "in this manner". Only the Catholic Bible(s) say "you shall pray:".
This isn't interpretation, this is reading what is on the pages. Some people bend scripture around so it suits them and that is a terrible sin, but just reading the Word of God isn't.
I am trying to help you, don't you see?
What type of wood should I carve my crucifix pendant from?
>>79663218
>Is there like a starter package or something?
The Gospel basically :)
>>79663218
You need to put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation
Read Romans 1
John 3
Romans 10
>>79663218
If you heard the good news and you don't believe them - why bother to become a Christian, do you have time to waste and want to annoy people?
If you have faith questions - you can read catechism online in today's age.
http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/10/1.aspx
Once you believe, simply present yourself at a Church.
>>79663334
For not being a protestant you sound like a born-and-bred backwoods baptist.
>>79663218
Check out the catholic catechism, read books that are entry lvl and dont ask these questions on 4chan go to a church and ask and take classes
>>79663443
Okey but do you understand my point? Don't you see that only your Bible says to pray the prayer and the rest says pray LIKE the prayer that was shown in the verses afterwards.
Combine that with the fact that it states that you shouldn't repeat prayers just above that.
>>79663218
go to church.
tons of people will welcome you with open arms and be more than willing to walk you through everything.
>which church?
that's the hard part.
>>79663765
No. I see you playing word games and semantics with translations. Fuck off with that shit. I trust the tradition of the church more than that, especially since my (Orthodox) priest proscribed me the Our Father in my rule of prayer.
>>79663324
>>79663385
That's just the thing, I was raised skeptic so it's hard for me to take a leap of faith and wholeheartedly believe in the holy trinity. But I guess the foundation of the belief is trust in the trinity eh?
>>79663385
>>79663384
>>79663474
I will do this, thanks a lot christbros
oh yeah, and how do I choose a branch of Christianity? Do I choose default to Catholicism, or Orthodox? Or do I read up on every single one until I agree with everything?
>>79663933
>oh yeah, and how do I choose a branch of Christianity?
I have my problems with the Catholic Church but at least they're apostolic. I don't think God will judge you too harshly for choosing Catholic or Orthodox one over the other, invincible ignorance plays a part here, just don't go protestant and you'll be fine.
>>79663933
I'd say you go for purely the Bible. Treat the Church as a community that may or not may in best concordance with the Bible
Ask God the Holy Ghost to clarity the Gospel for you as you read it (John 16:13)
and always pray!
>>79663933
Since you don't actually believe it - you can approach it intellectually.
Read history - read events, comprehend them yourself without influence from one side or another.
>>79664164
Technically speaking yea catholics were apostolic - but your church got anathematized by the Church long time ago, the succession was broken.
There are dogmatic differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, it is quite important if you're in communion or not.
>>79664313
Heretic.
>>79663933
>oh yeah, and how do I choose a branch of Christianity
apolstolic church, one where the eucarist is the blood and body of christ too
>>79645656
>For the first time in 85 years, the Hagia Sophia mosque reverberated to a muezzin's call to morning prayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQuJUMNpmck
CHRISTKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>79645656
>In particular, those who are part of the One Church Christ founded (Orthodox)
daily reminder: orthodoxy is a meme being spread by russian subversion agents who are trying to make the alt-right obedient to russia
if you are born non-russian, non-greek american you belong as a protestant, simple fact
>>79663911
You trust a priest (man) and the translation he and his fellow minded priests wrote over the Word of God.
You are the heathen here my friend. You put trust a faith in man, not in God. I trust God that he made the Bible perfect, you trust mankind that they did it better than God.
You don't see anything wrong with that?
>>79664374
Proof?
>>79664470
>gimmicky shit pulled by edgrogan to incite conflict
>>79663377
>nobody answers your question or checks your triple doubles
>>79664329
>your church
I'm only Catholic until my priest gets around to my Chrismation. I dropped that hot mess.
>There are dogmatic differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, it is quite important if you're in communion or not.
If God expects us to all be experts on church councils and theology then we're all fucked. For most intents and purposes the churches believe mostly the same things, if you squint. It's not as sharp a divide as protestantism from Christianity.
>>79664555
You just trust different men than I do.
>>79664637
Sorry brother. Checked, and olive wood.
>>79664647
Yes, I trust the apostles and people of the Bible and God that he protected what they passed on.
>>79664621
fuck all orthodox shits
>>79664853
I trust the apostles, too. That's why I joined the church they spread. That's why I trust the interpretations of that church.
>>79664895
Im catholic, and not only was that used to create division in Muslim christian but also within the muslim community itself
>>79654907
There is no reason for them to make him so ugly. The point their making here is hes not white, but how do they know how wrinkled he was? why does he have short hair? jews dont look like that that dude is an arab whoever the fuck he was.
>>79664960
So now you suddenly do trust interpretations?
You need to open your mind and read Romans from a different Bible. That book alone is enough to show you that what you are doing is wrong.
>>79665210
>So now you suddenly do trust interpretations?
I never said I didn't. I don't trust /your/ interpretation.
>>79664990
dude, we dont even have muslim unity, you think we give a fuck about uniting with christians? especially those who kill us? fuck off
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. 5:51
>>79665050
like a good christcuck
>>79665352
>pic
Muslims are such barbaric creatures. Lord have mercy on your soul
Can we prove God exists?
>>79665352
I never said to become friends at all. But this is the christian disposition to love all. Unlike the 'humility' and 'charity' of islam.Either way you can still love all of humanity without wanting to be friends or associates and wanting to better them through prayer and pennance
>>79665350
The fact that 99% of bibles say it is "like" or "in this manner" and your says "do it literally like this" is not an interpretation. And only your version contradicts the verse above it about not repeating it. If you take your version you should pray that one prayer once, and that is it. No more praying for you. But then it contradicts the rest of the Bible.
Face it, it is an example of a prayer.
>>79665713
Keep interpreting translations heretic. I'll stick with what my priest tells me based on his knowledge of Greek.
>>79665583
says the anglo imperialist
>>79665656
Can you prove you love your mother? Or your father? Your children? Your wife?
God wants us to love them and you can't prove love. If God would give us evidence it won't be love, it would be acknowledgement.
>>79665837
Putting your faith in men. Do you believe in Christ or in your priest?
>>79665863
>Can you prove you love your mother? Or your father? Your children? Your wife?
Irrelevant.
>God wants us to love them and you can't prove love.
Irrelevant
>If God would give us evidence it won't be love,
Irrelevant.
>it would be acknowledgement.
Elaborate.
>>79665844
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
It's still true..
>>79665973
You're asking me to put my faith in you, and in what you think the bible says. Fuck off, protestant. You can deny it all you want, but your theology is soundly protestant.
>>79666004
why are you falling for such obvious bait
>>79666093
It's late and I need to wake up early tomorrow
>>79665975
If you entered in your dna in a computer and it would show you who is going to be your wife, will you love her that second? No. Will you love God the second he proved He exists? No. And the fact that He wants to be loved, not acknowledged to be existing, is very relevant since He will be the one to prove Himself to us.
>>79666162
You do this every day.
>>79665656
can you prove anything?
what qualifies as sufficient evidence is subjective to the individual making the appraisal.
some people are less demanding than others.
>>79665975
You can't prove you love your wife, you'll have to believe it. Same with God.
>>79666090
Cuck off and worship some pictures
>>79666202
Tomorrow's a special day
>>79666277
Go and worship the bible, you "not" muslim.
>>79666162
go pray and than go to bed, and when tomorrow comes thank god for giving you another day to live
>>79666189
>If you entered in your dna in a computer and it would show you who is going to be your wife will you love her that second? No
Irrelevant.
>Will you love God the second he proved He exists? No.
Irrelevant
>And the fact that He wants to be loved, not acknowledged to be existing, is very relevant since He will be the one to prove Himself to us.
Irrelevant.
Stay on topic. You're rambling.
>>79666214
>can you prove anything?
Learn mathematics.
>what qualifies as sufficient evidence is subjective to the individual making the appraisal.
Elaborate.
>some people are less demanding than others.
If you say so.
>>79666235
Completely irrelevant.
>>79666362
i ain't a muzzie.
here's some iconography you idolater
>>79666370
That's a very nice thing to say anon, God bless you
>>79666090
So because I give you 20ish versions of the Bible and 19 agree with my argument, I'm a Protestant? Is everyone who is not in your Church a Protestant? I'm not asking you to trust me, I'm asking you to trust God.
Why would He only give your priest the power to be right? He created the Bible (or made sure it was made and preserved at least) so if 19/20 say to not take it literally I will trust God in the fact that at least 1 of those 19 have it right. If only yours waa right it would mean God did not protect His word enough to let it be corrupted 19 times. And I do not doubt Him to think that.
>>79666485
Are you taking the piss? I'm confused right now.
>>79666544
You can go and worship the bible too, "not" muslim.
>>79666544
Catholics and Orthodox are tradition-tards.
>>79666393
>As long as I ignore what he says and say that it is irrelevant I will win this argument.
The world is not made of yes/no answers. I gave you the tools to come to a conclusion yourself.
>>79666524
good night friend
>>79666721
Everything you have said is completely off topic drivel. Nobody could understand what your delusional brain wants them to.
>>79666668
I'm baptist.
Didn't want to say because it was hard enough to get a response to my actual argument in the first place.
Bring on the ad hominens
>>79666924
>I'm baptist.
I was raised baptist. You think I couldn't recognize baptist rhetoric?
>>79666924
me too.
>>79666910
I am painting a picture why we can't prove God and why that is the whole idea of a faith/love-based relationship. If you can prove it isn't love anymore but acknowledgement.
>>79645656
You are literally wanking on an imaginary character. How does it feel to be a moron?
>>79667000
Why did you go from a baptist to a tradition-based denomination? You don't see that very often.
>>79667141
You haven't done any of that but ramble about nonsense.
False equivalency and dishonest intellect don't sell yourself so fucking high.
>>79667141
prove it, it isn't***
>>79667291
I always hated it. It drove me away from Christianity as a whole at age 12. Much, much later (some 20 years) I came back into the church through C.S. Lewis's high church anglicanism. It was just a hop skip and a jump from there.
Everything about Protestantism makes my skin crawl. I can't stand it. It's a religion of a book, exactly the same as Islam.
I can't stand Christianity anymore.
My entire life I've been trying to live up to the impossible Christian standard and it has done nothing good for me. I'm sick of hearing about tolerance and self-sacrifice and praying for your enemies and turning the other cheek and shit.
I want my enemies to die and I don't want to make sacrifices for no good reason, I want to have money and not feel guilty about having money, and to be able to brag about being good at something instead of remaining humble while everyone treads all over me and tries to take advantage of me. Maybe Christianity would work if I wasn't surrounded by evil people all the time, and I wasn't constantly having to defend myself from being swindled and attacked.
I don't want to be a fucking victim my entire life but Christianity makes absolutely no room for defending oneself for the sake oneself, the only time you are allowed to ever take action is if God, the almighty creator and ruler of the fucking universe, is being disrespected. Why must I act on behalf of God, spread the gospel, give alms, etc... when he is able to do it himself? He doesn't need me at all, he doesn't need me to suffer for him, he just wants me to.
>but ur suffering is so insignificant
Well I didn't ask to be born for fucks sake, even a mote of suffering is unjust to someone unwillingly tossed into this shithole of a world.
There is literally nothing "good" about being a Christian, it's awful, it's degrading, it's the most unholy, ungracious, dishonest life I can possibly imagine. God has done not one thing for me, I can not recall once my prayers ever being answered, or myself experiencing a growing of faith, it's almost as if every tiny thing I've ever wanted has been intentionally kept away from me solely because I wanted it. God makes every effort to throw me into the dirt and ruin whatever faith I had.
>>79667293
How am I supposed to provide evidence-based arguments to a question where there is no possible definitive answer? You are asking an abstract question, you are getting an abstract reply.
Don't be a fedora and instead of actually debating and moving the conversation forward you throw a tantrum because I didn't use your rules perfectly.
You still haven't brought any argument to the table btw, great debat so far...
>>79667602
To be fair, this is exactly what the bible says will happen. Jesus doesn't promise an easy life, no matter how much Osteen and his ilk want to make it seem that way.
>>79667647
>You are asking an abstract question, you are getting an abstract reply.
False.
>Don't be a fedora and instead of actually debating and moving the conversation forward you throw a tantrum because I didn't use your rules perfectly.
Oh nice, assumptive insults.
>You still haven't brought any argument to the table btw, great debat so far...
Wasn't an argument, it was a question.
Reading comprehension.
>>79667453
But how can you trust corruptible man and verbal passing of scripture over written documentation? Especially since the Church went through a power high during the Middle ages and said everything to the people to keep them obedient and their Church rich and powerful?
>>79667737
And that's exactly why I can't be Christian anymore.
>>79667141
>>79667293
I believe both of you love God. But why are you trying to judge the other? Only God may judge which way of worship is right, and it is questionable whether He cares. I will say this: the baptist practice, far as it is from the apostolic ones, is certainly closer to God than atheism. In this time of cultural decadence, why do we waste our energy on intra-Christian quarrels?
>>79667805
Yes and I replied to tour question that you will never get a definitive answer and that that is the whole point.
Have a great day.
>>79667945
I'm agnostic.
>>79667829
>But how can you trust corruptible man and verbal passing of scripture over written documentation? Especially since the Church went through a power high during the Middle ages and said everything to the people to keep them obedient and their Church rich and powerful?
The Roman Church and the Eastern churches all agree on the essential bits of doctrine. It's really pretty easy to follow once you get it in your head that Jesus founded a church, he didn't write a book.
>>79667835
You know, you might like Joel Osteen. He's a heretic, and absolutely shit, but I think you'd like him.
>>79668013
>Yes and I replied to tour question that you will never get a definitive answer and that that is the whole point.
Could have said this instead of ramble about your nonsense. Rorschach psychology doesn't work the way you used it.
>>79668017
Wanted to quote this guy >>79666668
Sorry
>>79667945
>why do we waste our energy on intra-Christian quarrels?
I don't view protestants as Christians. They're idolaters on the same level as muslims.
>>79668260
Mormons are worse.
>>79667945
Because I love my Christian brothers and want to help them and warn them. Catholics are disrespecting God, Orthodoxys are idolators, Protestants are cherrypickers, (most) Baptist are way to judgemental.
We all need to fix this if we want to enter the narrow gates of Heaven and some denominations have bigger problems to fix than others. (Looking at the Catholics who changed the spine of Gods word: the Ten Commandments, so they could keep their riches). I am willing to judge myself the same way as I judge others.
>>79668318
Mormonism is simply the logical conclusion of protestantism. If the church does indeed need refounded, then God will send angels or something I dunno it's all shit.
>>79668383
>We all need to fix this if we want to enter the narrow gates of Heaven
Evidence?
>>79668396
Mormonism is a cult
Protestants don't believe dinosaurs existed.
Might have better luck arguing with holocaust deniers.
>>79668087
If I said that the first time you would ask me to elaborate and then you would habe gotten the reply I send you first.
No idea what that psychology thing is you mentioned
>>79668530
I can't be bothered with your rambling anymore.
>>79668318
Mormonism is literally
Islam volume 2: white power boogalo
>>79668500
I'm in a foul mood today, this has helped to keep me from being an ass to my wife, who does not deserve my ire. I've sequestered myself in my basement cave to argue religion on 4chan as a means of venting stress.
>>79667602
hahahaaa what a stupid statement! >There is literally nothing "good" about being a Christian, it's awful, it's degrading, it's the most unholy, ungracious, dishonest life I can possibly imagine.
Seriously? Welcome on Earth.
>>79668639
My basement is a batcave.
>>79668383
But don't you think it is vanity which pushes you to argue with others? How can you be certain that what you preach is right? But being absolute in your beliefs of Canon (not Dogma) is certainly not in the spirit of Christ.
>>79668639
>>79668383
In fact, I owe you something of an apology. I may not view you as a Christian, but you are acting as my brother in doing something that you think is good for me. According to the parable of the Good Samaritan, I shouldn't have been such a dick to you.
You're still wrong, but I'm sorry I was an ass.
>>79668437
If you believe than man is greater than God you are not saved from the hellfires. If you don't follow all of Gods law you are not saved.
Not everyone who think God is real will go to heaven.
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew:7:14
>>79668723
wow that really makes me think dude wow thanks
>>79668884
I hope at least one of us is on the right path, whoever that may be. Have a blessed day.
>>79668890
>If you believe than man is greater than God you are not saved from the hellfires.
spooky
>If you don't follow all of Gods law you are not saved.
2spooky
>Not everyone who think God is real will go to heaven.
3spooky5me
>Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
>Matthew:7:14
Maximum spooks achieved.
>>79668759
>How can you be certain that what you preach is right?
I have put trust in the Lord that what He made the most-read book on Earth is true. If it were not he would have intervened. I don't think He would do nothing when 6 billion people are heading away from God because of a book. God wants us all to be saved so He would have made it easily available to know how one gets saved.
>>79669341
And what is more easily available? The most read, most translated book that has ever existed. Or the teachings of the easily corruptible mind of a select few?
>>79669341
While I agree the bible is absolutely true, the interpretation of it is not. Presuming that you, a mere person, can understand the will of the lord is vane at least, if not heretical.
>>79669593
Do you deny the apostles were blessed by God?
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