How cucked is your country when it comes to nuclear power? Who is to blame?
It's obviously the future of energy.
>>70603894
pretty cucked and pants shitting environmentalists who also double as liberals in general.
in ontario our crumbling nuclear power plant was supposed to be taken offline and shutdown, however our libshit government for the last 10 years had absolutely no foresight and thought by now le green energy meme would have saved us all. instead we are going to spend a metric fuckton of money refurbishing the shitty old nuclear power plant so that it can run for another.. 4 years. with no plan after that.
anyone who has objectively studied policy knows that power will have to come from a variety of sources if it is to meet demand and stay relatively cheap, that includes new nuclear power plants.
it'll be countries like china, india and south africa who aren't hobbled by muh green energy politics that will benefit from clean, safe, abundant and cheap nuclear power.
>>70603894
>Who is to blame?
Greenpeace and Big Coal
They've been spreading anti-nuclear propaganda for over 40 years now.
We have it and we will never shut it down?
The stupid cucks in the Labor party
They tried to ban Uranium mining completely in the 80's but the leader of the party at that time didn't support it and compromised on limiting the number of Uranium mines in the country to 3 but the party has always been and still is opposed to Nuclear power in Australia.
John Howard wanted to change to Nuclear but he decided to be an absolute retard and destroyed workplace laws and then got blown the fuck out in the 2007 election.
Why must the Liberal party be based most of the time and then do something so utterly retarded that pisses off 80% of the country? They do it all the fucking time.
>>70603894
Never because malayshit or indog terrorists will keep trying to sabotage it and there's hardly any land to build
It might completely solve our electricity bill but greenfags will never let the government build a fission reactor
>>70603894
>Future of energy
No it not, international community is so immature towards nuclear technology that Japan had to learn Chernobyl errors from the scratch. And Americans knew it and didn't say a word.
If we had a basic protocol of security measures and technology standard and equipment collective experience... maybe. Until then we are just monkeys playing with fire.
With all the workforce and human minds why should have achieved commercial fusion and fast breeders 1 decade ago.
Cucked af thanks mostly to this fat fuck :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lange
>In 1984, Prime Minister David Lange barred nuclear-powered or nuclear-armed ships from using New Zealand ports or entering New Zealand waters
>The Act prohibits "entry into the internal waters of New Zealand 12 miles (22.2 km) radius by any ship whose propulsion is wholly or partly dependent on nuclear power"
>New Zealand’s three decade anti-nuclear campaign is the only successful movement of its type in the world which resulted in the nation's nuclear-free zone status being enshrined in legislation
>>70606533
>If we had a basic protocol of security measures and technology standard and equipment collective experience... maybe
do you honestly think that there are no protocols or safety guidelines when operating nuclear power plants
>>70606533
Fuck off, moron.
![koji-nakui-agency-for-natural-resources-and-energy-role-of-ccs-and-the-future-direction-of-energy-policy-in-japan-22-728[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LjjImdD.jpg "koji-nakui-agency-for-natural-resources-and-energy-role-of-ccs-and-the-future-direction-of-energy-policy-in-japan-22-728[1].jpg")
pretty uncucked
also the renewables section is 95%+ hydro
and we are building new reactors
>>70606533
Yeah there got to be better way of doing this than cooking this piece of uranium over the fire.
>>70606738
Be sure you have a long lasting metal.
>But why kind of steel I should use?
>No, that a secret.
>I am using the same steel as you. Whats the difference
>No, that a secret.
>Ok, I found out it was the way it was produced the one that make difference. That steel has the same composition but was cooled so fast that had another array of distribution with X properties.
>You got it. Be sure to change them periodically because those properties only last for a period.
>How long is that period
>No its a secret.
That over a hundred details over equipment x1000 of exchange knowledge sanctions its how the nuclear international community reacts today. There are protocols yes, but no one gives you advice and experience.
>>70606490
Becuz once nuclear meltdown happens, the whole country will be gone. Unless we annex Malaysia and build it there
>>70606825
That's the only thing to be proud of at this point.
I do not welcome the inevitable south africanisation of France tbf
>>70607056
but the only reason those few meltdowns happened is because people skipped safety protocols, not because of the type of metal they used?
>>70603894
>nuclear power
>future of energy
fukushima or chernobyl anyone ?
>>70607169
>Ivan and Vladimir dicking around when they shouldn't have
>a fucking tsunami
>>70607155
The type of metal was an example. Americans scientists knew Fukishima was a time bomb, and they did say a word.
Russians are pretty ahead in fast breeders and they remain silent on their equipment.
I am not blaming the players, I am blaming the game. We are not plausible to reach a global dependence on nuclear energy if we keep approach a serious business with that kind of mentality.
>>70607309
so it seems to be, that nuclear power plants are not 100% safe. I dont know how much you can fuck up the environment with solar panels or wind machines
also it was not only a tsunami, it was an earthquake too
>b..b.b.b.but its so clean!
Best at nuclear power there is
>>70603894
>future of energy
>non renewable
>only enough reserves to last 100 years
>tfw all your subs and aircraft carriers are nuclear powered
>>70607398
Still less deaths per megawatt hour than coal, wind, solar or hydro
>>70608035
how can a solar or a hydro kill someone ? How ?
0 nuclear power in this shithole
>>70605568
Still get 60% of our power from Nukes.
>tfw hydro rates keep going up and only 10% is from renewables
t. https://www.cns-snc.ca/media/ontarioelectricity/ontarioelectricity.html
>>70608184
>solar
>drains the energy from the sun
>Sun blows up
??????
>Hydro
>Dam breaks
>6 Gorillian die in chingchongistan
>>70608184
>Solar
The chemical industry that provides the products to get the final product isn't clean.
>Hydro
Climate change, earthquakes and ecosystem balance disruption.
>>70608304
>>solar
>>drains the energy from the sun
>>Sun blows up
Please be kidding Aussie.
>>70603894
It is far from the future of energy or power.
>But a profit can still be made on it
>They won't release shit that is free
Look into magneto hydro dynamics, zero point energy, and pezio electricity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLRKDlE8c4
John Searle and other scientist including tesla have had this cracked since the early 1900's
>>70608384
Yeah that post was a shitpost but Nuclear is by far the safest energy sauce because the production of solar panels is some shady shit
>>70608184
Manufacturing of solar panels is extremely toxic and dangerous.
Destroy environment and lives.
>>70607398
Chernobyl wasn't a result of normal operation of the plant, idiot Soviets were conducting experiments that lead to the meltdown. Fukushima was a result of flooding caused by the tsunami, yes there was earthquake but that was not a contributing factor to the meltdown. TEPCO cut corners and ignored their tsunami study that recommended the pant needed to be protected better from flood waters. It was easily avoidable had they decided not to be cheap.
>solar panels or wind machines
will NEVER meet the entire demand for electricity in any country. realistic and objective energy policy recognizes it will have to come from a variety of sources, yes that includes biomass, fossil fuels, gas and nuclear.
the risk from nuclear power can be mitigated to almost nil if the proper guidelines and strict rules are enforced. there is always risk when it comes to progress, waiting for something to be 100% safe will just cuck you, it is regressive.
>>70607821
>only enough reserves to last 100 years
>If the Nuclear Energy Agency (NEA) has accurately estimated the planet's economically accessible uranium resources, reactors could run more than 200 years at current rates of consumption.
not including what we will be able to do with recycled nuclear waste in the future.
>>70608234
are you in ontario? how about those cancelled gas plants?
>>70608488
and the manufacturing of nuclear material and the nuclear waste are 100% clean ?
>>70608304
Well the sun will blow up eventually.. but you're still autistic
>>70608557
>are you in ontario? how about those cancelled gas plants?
Rather not talk about it desu. My doctor says I have high blood pressure already.
>>70608477
Take a look at this >>70608457 and then repeat that statement
>This is free
>Tesla had a car that ran on "Aether" they have that documented to a speed of 60 mph in the 1920's based on the power source
There are more than "4 great forces" (The strong nuclear attraction, the weak nuclear attraction, electro-magnetism and gravity.....as far as we are aware or led to believe)
>The reality is there are actually 6 "Great Forces"
I just don't think that we are ready as a species for the next 2 until there is some major calamity that eradicates a vast amount of bad people who "Would" abuse it.
>'use nuclear energy' they said
>'it's the future of energy' they said
>>70608567
100% clean yes.
Also, there's no nuclear waste, the only reason the plants capable of using it as fuel aren't being built is irrational women like you that don't want any new plant whatsoever to be built.
We really need to slaughter the women and replace them with artificial womb, pic related.
I have no doubt you find the same thing with GMOs, eugenics and others technologies that aren't bettering Humanity because >muh feelings.
>>70608925
What happens when you do stuff you're not supposed to do
>>70606229
Wow. Never realised the trend. Poor tones, they never let him forget that one budget
>>70608925
The retard dind't follow protocol.
Any faggot with even the barest understanding of how criticality happen would have expected what happened.
WITH A FUCKING BUCKET TOO, FOR FUCK'S SAKE !
>>70609025
Relevant to the thread bro
>It is dealing with power plants, and the "Future" of power plants
>And what I posted is already proven, it just can't be capitalized upon based on it's self reliance and sustainability....there no profit in free anything
>>70603894
If it doesn't run on pic related you are cucked. (so basically everyone)
>>70608567
Have you seen some of the new designs for the molten salt reactors? They're meltdown-proof, and not only do they produce almost zero nuclear waste themselves, but the waste they do produce is only radioactive for a hundred or so years rather than the thousands of years for the older designs we still use now. That's not even the best part, as these reactors can actually use the radioactive waste we already have lying around from current reactors as fuel. Solve energy problem, and nuclear waste problem in the same go.
>>70603894
Nuclear power is the PRESENT of energy. Fusion is the future.
To dig in your heels and say it is unsafe today is to outright lie, either through ignorance or malice. I've worked in Nuclear plants. In order to make a modern one go critical, it would take a team of men DAYS of working around the clock in order to force it to go critical.
Anyone who pushes green energy, but has an aversion to Nuclear, is either evil or a fool.
>>70609395
How'z about...
>>70609049
>100% clean
you do realize depleted uranium is and thing and not to mention plutonium...
I do believe nuclear power is the most promising form of energy and the way of the future but if we don't share a mind set that it can be improved upon then we won't get anywhere
we need to focus on making it cleaner but saying that it is perfect isn't going to solve shit
>mfw I voted no to nuclear in 2009
>>70609542
4th generation power plants run off the waste of the first three. It's as clean as its going to get until fusion becomes viable (still decades off).
and only the based russians who actually build and testing fast breeder reactor which can utilize used nuclear fuel
>>70609519
>I've worked in Nuclear plants
>use of the word critical
fucking kek
>>70608747
completely understandable
>>70609519
>Anyone who pushes green energy, but has an aversion to Nuclear, is either evil or a fool.
this is what it feels like to be held hostage by politics
>>70609542
There's nothing wrong with depleted uranium, studies have shown it to be perfectly safe. Try mixing some into your dinner.
>>70609721
Using common nomenclature to describe what happens when the reactor's control is lost, risking a meltdown, is not inappropriate.
>>70603894
You know the world is pants-on-head retarded when Iran is investing in nuclear power and England is investing in solar panels.
The government is trying to build a single nuclear plant, but despite billions invested by the government and the Chinese, it is still expected to bankrupt the French firm building it.
We have two nuclear plants, Temelín and Dukovany. Construction of those triggered Austrians who were all "muh safety risks, muh environment" (despite the fact it's actually more ecosystem-friendly than other powerplants if you don't count solar ones etc. which can't really generate enough electricity) went on rallies to stop us from building them, but we ignored them.
And the result? The Czech Republic is one of the few energetically independent countries and since we create more electricity than we need, Austrians actually BUY our energy, kek.
>>70609673
>(still decades off)
From being available to the public
I assure you these things are already completed and functional. But "If" lets say your version of fusion were released.
>With a cost of near zero.....you can't sell it
>Which in return fucks with oil companies, electric companies, and global economies
How can you "Release" something that has near zero profit (Same as the S.E.G.) without angering the true beast of the planet? (The power companies that control EVERYTHING, including governments)!
>yfw fucking Ukraine and to a lesser extent Japan ruined nuclear power for everybody forever
>>70609536
Uup is so unstable, that we've only ever managed to make it exist for a few seconds before it decays out of existance
>>70609716
The also just as of 2014 I believe completed a revised version of tesla's "Wardencliff Tower" (Free energy plant) (Pic Related)
>>70609907
Sure thing kid
>>70610039
>more ecosystem-friendly than other powerplants if you don't count solar ones etc. which can't really generate enough electricity
Solar, whether thermoelectric or photovoltaic damages the environment through the production of the generation system (particularly photovoltaic) because it consumes so many resources per MW of generating capacity.
>>70605568
>shitty old plants
meh, they are better than GEs shitty BWRs that we otherwise would have built (like the one at fukishima)
The newest reactors built at Bruce B are the best performing CANDUs we have and they aren't bad
Ya of course we should probably decommission the prototype CANDUs and build the next generation, ideally competitive bid with foreign direct financing
but the nuke industry will shill for ACR-1000s (never built) and we will spend 50 billion trying to build them for the first time
What new nuclear design should we build?
>>70603894
>It's obviously the future of energy.
t. The 1950s.
Somewhat cucked, at this point we seem to be maintaining existing power plants but not building any new ones. Too bad, it'd better than coal and natural gas.
Anti-nuclear activists + accidents like Three Mile Island and Fukushima being much scarier than accidents with other sources of energy + proponents who say radioactive waste and contamination aren't big deals or that meltdowns won't happen because new technology means it totally wouldn't happen are all partly to blame.
uncucked. we are planning to build more. austrians are butthurth about our plants and blocking roads sometimes, meanwhile they are buying our energy because they are not selfsufficient like we are. lol.
>>70603894
We are surrounded by Germany and Austria. Both countries are bunch of cucks when it comes to nuclear power. Austrians also blocked border crossings when we wanted to expand one of our NPP.
Ecotards on the left and Coal Shills on the right. Luckily there's a lot more pro-nuclear support from the right because even an idiot can see how economically advantageous nuclear is.
>>70610158
That we admit....I assure you that that is also a fable
>You don't go bragging about having supplies of the one of the worlds most valuable mineral compounds that can do some crazzzzzzzzzyyyyy shit
We learn about things that have been "PERFECTED" 30 years minimum after not only their existence but full development and field usage. (Food for thought, the F-117 was out in the early 70's....we were allowed to know about it in the early 90's "Desert Storm")
>>70610041
What you are saying isn't true. It still needs operators, it still needs maintenance, and it still needs supplies.
Just because the cost is low doesn't mean you can't make a profit from it.
I'll give you an example: Let's pretend what you are saying is true. Let's say that there are no costs. Why not still charge 5 cents per kwh? You're beating out the prices that everyone else charges, and you could gain a virtual monopoly, with a shit ton of money, even presuming that you never need to maintain your infrastructure or need people to run them.
It's win/win. Cheap, clean energy, plus no costs, so you can afford to keep every single penny you charge.
Pretty much fucked.
We barely have any active reactors anymore because:
>muh windpower
>muh waterpower
>>70603894
Solar & wind + batteries is sufficient for baseload power going forward. Nuclear is not worthwhile unless you have the plants built already.
>Be Albertafag
>A couple years ago in the height of the oil boom
>Hay guis breddymuch the whole province runs on coal and the oil sands are a major consumer of electricity, what do you say we build a nuke plant up north where there are few people and lots and lots of water?
>Also the oil sands producers will help fund it
>Thoughts, everyone?
>OH MAI GOD NOT IN MY BACK YARD WTF R U CRAZY NO NUKES IN ALBERTA WE LOVE OUR COAL DRILL BABY DRILL
>tfw
>>70610364
neet
Literally typing a paper about France's energy insecurity during the 70s and why they went nuclear. Check out the book The Impact of the Fifth Republic on France if you want a picture. My own research is hindered by my inability to speak/read French because the frogs hate to write in English.
I still love them, though. They've given hippies the collective fuck you for 40 years now and export energy to Germany for a profit (that now produces 50% of its electricity from coal, FUCKING COAL because idiots don't know what really powers solar panel and wind turbines).
Plz France, fix your current issues with Areva. Get that shit together because you're the shining example for all of us to look towards in regards to energy policy.
>>70609049
>100% clean
thats stupuid
>>70610039
we dont buy your energy. it seems like you have no idea about the european energy market.
>>70603894
>the future of energy.
>a fossil fuel
>after Three Mile Island, Tshernobyl and Fukushima
How can anyone be so retarded?
>>70610487
>He fell for the renewable energy meme
Have fun paying double the price for half the reliability.
>>70610678
Shut your whore mouth, Austria. You're one to fucking talk with all the oil, coal, and natural gas you burn up to survive.
>>70610469
I agree, but the cost of operation would be minimal at best.
>A small handful of operators
>Plant runs on water (Fusion)
>Less "Moving Parts" to break
>Cost of production would be way lower that 5kwh and people would realize that quickly
>With S.E.G. it runs on it's own the only thing that would need "Occasional Replacement" is the neodymium magnets
As a result people who were resentful would move to solar
>You can go off the grid completely (RIGHT NOW) for around 30-40k in solar panels and 2 Tesla Batteries at 3600 a pop
>Zero electric bill
And people are starting to realize that right now
tl'dr we've excelled quickly and fusion would be redundant quickly
I honestly just think they are waiting for a shit ton of people to die before they release what they really know. Where people are more manageable
>>70606229
Like with Baird and the whole #casinomike business, the left is always waiting for an opportunity to discredit Liberal politicans. Look at how the BAKA and ABC lulled Turnbull into a false sense of security before almost immediately attacking his lack of action after he became PM.
>>70610857
Thank you, based cunt.
Why do you let the greens have so much power over your energy policy? With all the uranium hiding in aboland and Australia's propensity for not giving a fuck, you all should have reactors all over the place.
>>70607398
>>so it seems to be, that nuclear power plants are not 100% safe. I dont know how much you can fuck up the environment with solar panels or wind machines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiNRdmaJkrM&nohtml5=False
>>70610865
any source on this or are you just shitposting ?
>>70610792
>>a fossil fuel
u wot m8?
>>70610678
Yeah i know, you'd have to be a complete retard to claim any energy source is 100% clean. Like you did.
The facts are the following :
-nuclear beat everything except hydro where CO2 is concerned.
-nuclear beat everything except hydro on human lives cost
-nuclear beat everything on environmental pollution
-NUCLEAR PRODUCE LESS RADIATION THAN COAL. TWICE LESS. AND COAL RADIATION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING SINCE IT'S IN THE SMOKE. BUT IT'S OK SINCE IT'S "NATURAL" RADIATION
YOU CUNTS ARE FUCKING SCARED OF NUCLEAR AND REJECT IT IN FAVOUR OF
you know what, i surrender, i'll fuck off from this thread too much angering.
>>70606925
Ville Niini_stöö bresidentiksi 2018 :DDDDDD
>>70608925
because nobody dies in oil, gas or coal production am i right ?
>>70610924
>30-40k in panels and 2x3600 in batteries
Dude that's 38-48k. Even if everything lasts 20 years that's still over 2 grand per year (about $180 a month).
How goddamn much is your energy bill for that math to make any financial sense??
>>70611022
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/austria/electricity-production-kwh-wb-data.html
Your life is shitposting, Adolf. I'm sure there's some source from your own energy department you can look up, but I'm not fluent in German so I can't help you there.
>>70610924
So somebody knows what to do, and could get filthy rich, but refuses to, because he wants people to die?
Also, the average US household uses 10,932 kwh per year. At 5 cents per Kwh (which would be highway robbery for fusion), it would be a bill of $546.60/year. Meaning that, by your own calculations, the break even point for solar would be around 55 years, presuming that nothing EVER went wrong.
So your reasoning is poor. There's a market for fusion.
Pretty fucking good.
Third generation nuclear plants can recycle nuclear waste.
Fukushima is a plant 5 years older than Chernobyl.
Chernobyl kept delivering energy until 2000 (14 years post disaster)
>>70610661
>Fucking Fukushima
>Time to close to plants
>France please help
The real problem is women's suffrage since the majority of men support nuclear power.
Also coal lobbies too.
>>70610661
We couldn't be arsed to sell as many plants as we could to China, and have to face tremendous losses due to pharaonic engeneering dreams (look up "EPR"). The "CSPP", a "solidarity" tax on electricity, is rising up so quick that we'll lose the advantage of a cheap and relatively clean energy (if handled properly). This tax is made to finance renewable energies, but in the meantime we need money to renew our existing plants, which are 40 to 50 years old. Half-assed "Energetic transition".
And don't forget we need an energetic mix to supply power according to demand peaks. You can't turn on a "power up" button in a nuclear plant to face the daily demand peaks, that's what hydraulic is for.
TL;DR: we developed nuclear power for strategy purposes initially, but now we're cucked.
>>70611093
i never said that nuclear power plants are not good at the current situation. Since there are not much energy sources which are more reliable and cleaner than nuclear power plants, but it is not the energy of the future. I only said, that they are not 100% safe and that there is a problem with the waste.
and one thing about the radiaton that coal produces. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene this is the reason why coal is producing more radiation than nuclear power plants. In this sense you also have to say we should ban the space because the most radiation material is coming from the space
>>70611262
30% of oil and gas and the rest are from renewable energy, whats wrong with that
>>70611237
Electricity is expensive bro 350-400 a month
Math time :)
350 x 12 = 4200 yr x 10 years = 42k -------- x 20 years = 84k (Saves ALOT)
40k in solar is kinda overboard and not really needed 30k is more than fair and still "Stores" more than needed with the 2 tesla batteries
Thats 1/2 the cost of a house it saves in 20 years bro....a good investment and makes life alot easier
>>70606719
Sure it'd make energy cheaper, but we don't really need it. Tfw 60% hydro and growingggg (fuck windfarms)
>>70603894
FYI your pic is not a nuclear plant
Batteries aren't really very viable for a whole country.
You can use dams, but pretty much everywhere where dams are viable there are already dams.
>>70611561
Waste is an issue of the past.
Newer plants can also recycle waste.
It's those 50/60 year old designs that had a waste problem.
We're already way past the 1st gen of nuclear plants.
>>70611284
Im not saying that theres not, there is.
Just also saying that there are other ways, that cost even less, and are much safer to people and the enviroment
http://humansarefree.com/2015/09/teslas-legendary-tower-built-and-tested.html
>>70603894
http://enenews.com/nuclear-engineer-alarm-bells-going-fukushima-radioactive-plume-west-coast-people-will-die-radiation-flowing-across-pacific-weve-contaminated-biggest-source-water-planet-stop-video
>>70611755
And I'm saying that your argument of solar and wind aren't viable in comparison to current nuclear reactors. And fusion will blow nuclear out of the water, efficiency-wise.
>>70611766
Fukushima is older than Chernobyl
Modern Nuclear plants are 100-1000 times as safe as the 1st generation plants like Fukushima
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/safety-of-nuclear-power-reactors.aspx
>>70606229
>>70609107
Liberal party is like that one friend you know who always has your back, but sometimes he goes off on one of his ultradrunk rampages and you get pissed off at him.
But you can't stay pissed at him.
>>70606719
>also concurrently tell momma and her giant big...naval fleets to fuck off
Reminder that during the Chinese conflict, when the time comes to liberate Australasia, we'll have to skip New Zealand because our naval taskforce cannot close in.
>>70611717
if the waste problem is solved and the security concerns, which are there and which are real, are solved, then nuclear power plants are a good solution for the next 50 years. But we have to look for something which is better than nuclear power plants
>>70611841
Looking at getting a masters in Energy (hydro/gas/geothermal) to go with my geology degree, how long do I have until I'm made redundant by affordable fusion?
>>70611284
Also, and I've been thinking about this for a long time now (I used to get soooo mad because of shit being held back)
Say that there is "Another way" but in that "Other Way" it also opens up "new tech" that could be used for bad. What if that tech could be manipulated to hurt people.
Muslims will make bombs out of fucking sand, some jalapeño peppers and a fuse and kill indiscriminately. Imagine if bad people had even more lethal ways.
Im actually kind of happy that "Some shit is kept in the dark
tl:dr some shit "People" really just aren't ready for yet, imagine if mohammed could transport a boom boom anywhere in the world in seconds.....not good, I've grown to realize that now
>>70612044
As of last November, a minimum of 30 years.
>>70611561
Those renewables are propped up by natural gas when they can't meet demand. You're going to reach the same problem Germany is having right now where the majority of their energy comes from burning coal. Fuck, 23% of it is just burning lignite, the dirtiest shit you can imagine.
I'm impassioned and angry because I don't like seeing it happen, nor do I like environmental groups leading people on about what's really happening. No one tells them that they're actively supporting coal, gas, and oil, companies that make easy money because there's no way in hell a wind turbine or solar panels will ever reach peak demand at the right time. It's all a game.
>>70612004
They're already testing nuclear fusion.
>if the waste problem is solved and the security concerns
They're already solved
Modern plants are 100-1000 times as safe as the 1st gen ones like Fukushima.
They don't need backup generators like Fuku, they'll keep cooling as long as gravity works.
>>70612044
Maybe in a few decades
Maybe never
>>70611567
>350-400 a month
What the FUCK? Man I remember paying like $140 (CAD) a month when I was living with my ex. That's absolutely insane.
>>70612004
Are you retarded nigger? The guy you're replying to actually said that waste problems are solved and you are talking about waste.
> next 50 years
Next 500 years. There's nothing better than nuclear power plants.
>>70611766
Are you an idiot or something? You're not even trying, nigger. Read some of the shit in the thread. People actually know about nuclear energy here.
>>70612130
>They're already testing nuclear fusion.
They've been testing it for decades. I'd be amazed if we have more than one or two commercial plants running by 2040.
>>70612085
Once again, the failsafes of Nuclear are so extensive that it would take a team of men working 24/7 (and knowing what they were doing) days, if not weeks, to dismantle them all.
One can safely presume that the failsafes of fusion would be similar. You also seem to think that every nuclear plant is a potential nuclear bomb. It's not. A meltdown is not a nuclear/atomic explosion. It's just a meltdown.
>>70603894
I live in VA, I know a lot of the miners in the Southwest of the State want the General Assembly to open up the Uranium deposits we have down there. But environmentalists have blocked it.
If you ask me, I understand a few of the concerns, like it getting to water supply, but the risk doesn't really seem much greater than the coal mining we were doing for decades.
>>70611841
What I posted was "Wardencliff" re-manufactured by the russians.....yes, it IS completed, and active.
>But I just think that solar, wind and h20 are good fall backs.
>We have an abundant amount of all of the above
>>70612156
you should learn to understand english properly.
>>70612130
if there are new types of reactors, its very good, but that wont change the fact, that the majority part of the power plants are not those type of reactors and wont be those types of reactors. So it does not make the situation ,we have now ,better only because there is a new technology. This would the same thing if i would say, cars are not polluting the air, because we have electric cars.
http://world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/safety-of-nuclear-power-reactors.aspx
>>70612243
It's a lot less damaging than fracking or coal.
Radiation is also the easiest thing to spot since you only need a geiger counter.
No need for lab tests, everybody can handle a geiger counter.
Production process of solar panels isn't the cleanest business either.
>>70608333
>Hydro
>Climate change, earthquakes and ecosystem balance disruption.
More like a damn breaks and washes 20 million people out to sea.
>>70612114
This is true. Every single MW produced by "green" means needs to be reinforced with "on demand" energy production. This means that they usually take the cheaper option to back it up, so wind and solar are typically backed up with natural gas, coal, and diesel, which are the 3 dirtiest ways to produce energy.
Mean while, nuclear is MUCH cleaner (nearly 100% clean, since new gens can run on the waste of older gens), as well as on-demand. How about you privately use solar/wind, and publicly back it with Nuclear, if you REALLY want to save the world?
>>70607152
Good job, my radioactive Henri.
Seriously though, am pretty jelly.
We invent so much of this shit, and then let it just goto shit because of greenies. Gen 3+ reactors, some which are literally physically impossible to melt down, and still no build.
Fuck greens, seriously.
>>70612252
It was 2 years ago when they managed to produce more energy than they consumed. That does NOT mean its viable as an energy producer.
>>70612393
The reason the majority of power plants aren't those types is because "greens" keep blocking the production of new plants.
And yes, new plants that are being built are all generation 3.
The ones 100-1000 times as safe as the ones from Fukushima.
>>70612435
That show had such potential. Too bad it went off the rails by the end of Episode 2 or 3.
What is the process called that they're working on that turns radioactive waste into fuel?
>fission
>future of energy
>actually producing tons of waste
Wew lad
>>70612534
but the problem is, that also in 20 or 30 years, the majority of the plants will be older plants because its not in the mind of companies, building new reactors, if the old ones work.
>>70612239
See, you have to learn to look at shit like "They Do"
>They try to find the worst in EVERYTHING fist
>Every fucking thing has to be weaponized
You see what a "Nuclear Fission" bomb can do.....image what a "Nuculear Fusion" bomb would do.
Also, imagine the "Next Gen" of not just weapons but everything that would come with that as well....our "Species" is too fucking violent to have nice stuff.
>>70612627
Gen 3/3+ nuclear plants are already the safest form of energy.
And the things you said can also be said of solar panels whenever there's a new type of solar panel or an older one is updated.
>>70612435
>>70612537
Sauce on the anime?
>>70607821
>100 years or less of energy meme
>refusing to see the higher estimates
>forgetting that reserves of uranium keep getting put upwards
>forgetting that there aren't just uranium plants
>forgetting breeder reactors exist
>forgetting technological leaps and bounds
>forgetting that greens have always been wrong
Goddammit.
>>70607398
Nothing is 100% safe doofus.
Also, solar in general is terrible for wildlife, especially heat concentration type (literally roast birds in midair, causing them to fall to earth and possibly start fires) and also raises the ambient temperature around the plant, wind slices birds to ribbons. Besides the fact that none of these are economically feasible.
That's also besides the fact that both take more energy to make their materials than they will give back for at least 3-5 years, and solar panels construction is quite toxic.
Thank you, poor engineering, planning and massive earthquake and tsunami!
>>70611224
why do they have to use such a scary unit like "terrawatt"
>>70612489
I think you are a little bit off there bro
>Did you read the article?
>It can power ALL of the current facilities running right now
You really should check it out man. Google it. "Russian Wardencliff Tower"
>>70606719
the nuclear ship ban is a bit pointless however NZ is not the place for nuclear power
far too many earthquakes
>>70612741
No, I don't. If you want to think like "they," do, that's your call. If you want to be afraid of Fusion, after all the progress that's been made on fission to make it safe, then you are falling into the fear mongering that began in New York, decades ago, all due to the coal and natural gas industries.
Oh, and a Steam Turbine can destroy entire city blocks, and doesn't have NEARLY the amount of safeguards that Nuclear has. The entire boiler (which is 3-4 stories tall for a 20MW turbine) is essentially a giant bomb.
>>70612813
Total eclipse.
>>70603894
We have our only plant, at Ris Island, closed and our government forced the Swedes to close their plant, Bärsrbak, as well.
We got cucked during the 70s when the hippies protested against nuclear power. My father, who is 76, told me that the protests were pushed by arabian oil owners and that you can't trust people from the middle east. I'm not sure wether he has actual evidence to back it up, but I thought it sounded plaussible.
>>70613000
>far too many earthquakes
Oh, that's sissy talk!
>>70612936
Because that is the common nomenclature used in many things. Watt, Kilowatt, Megawatt, Terrawatt, Petawatt.
>>70613035
Thank you, desu.
>mfw Belgium had to close half their Nuclear reactors because there were cracks in the core walls.
fucking Belgs at it agaiin
>>70612936
Because the niggawatt can't power enough to support a family.
>>70613013
Im NOT saying that nor am I afraid of Fusion lol
>Im just saying were already passed it, and have been for a long time.
Russia just capitalized on it
>>70612955
That is some Fallout: New Vegas shit right there.
>>70612745
yea for sure you can say that, i never argued about wherever nuclear power plants are evil or not. Its just a method to gain energy. The only thing i said, or tried to say, is that the most power plants are not up to date.
>>70612815
there is for sure a problem with those solar panels, but for example, there is a solar park in the dessert of marokko, which is a pretty good project.
>>70613124
It's really not worth the watch. The story doesn't even end in the Anime. It ends via a video game, and the vast majority of people say both the story and the game itself sucks.
>>70613152
>>70608557
>what is Magna BSP
Hate to break this to you anon, but the tsunami, the fukushima meltdown... all artificial...
>3/11/11 never forget
>>70613072
>>70613152
Kek. Pokémon's bringing the bants!
>>70603894
Uncucked, but once again those retarded germans are trying to push their green shit on everyone they can.
>>70613013
You realise that nuclear reactors also use superheated steam to drive giant turbines too, right?
>>70613293
Frexit when?
>>70608567
mostly yes, because reactor cores aren't made by 12 year old malnutriced chinese girls, like solar panels
>>70613183
>>70613276
Non-thumbnail.
>>70613176
>is that the most power plants are not up to date
Because "greens" are blocking the production of newer plants.
It's not our nuclear reactor I worry about,
it's the one sitting right across the border mismanaged by those perpetually inept retards we call our southern neighbors aka the Belgiums.
>>70613334
I do. And those nuclear reactors have WAY more failsafes.
>>70606533
causes of Fukushima and chernobyl accidents were completely different, one was power spike that overwhelmed the cooling system and other was loss of power to cooling system due to badly designed fail safes.
>>70613478
Emergency generators in the basement. Genious.
Onagawa had theirs on the roof and people evacuated TO the plant because it was a known safe point.
I gotta go home now though.
>>70613419
this is not an argument, you are mixing empiric and normative arguments.
>>70603894
Completely uncucked. We've told you lot to get fucked, for example.
>>70611900
Maybe you didn't notice or you don't care because youaren't in the immediate path of the flow from Nippon but the largest body of water on Earth is now and will be for well after you're gone a dead-zone the marine life which sustained thousands of millions is gone and cancers are everywhere.. .. its a m00t question because this Planet is already doomed
>>70603894
It was all going perfecly untill those fucking japs decided not to maintain their reactors for 40 years and lo-and behold they crashed due to an earthquake. Set the whole nuclear business back to 0. Whole countries shutting them down and going back to coal. FUCKING JAPS.
the biggest problem with nuclear power is the highly dangerous radioactive waste it produces.
once we find a permanent solution for it it will be the power of the future
>inb4 bury the waste and let it be a problem for future-anon is a valid solution
>>70606719
That's not cucked, its the opposite in fact.
>>70613363
>Fukushima
>operating
>>70603894
The future is Fusion Power. It's literally what's happening inside of Stars such as our own Sun. But it's gonna take a few more decades until the first reactor is going to be built. Until then, yes nuclear power plants are extremely important.
>>70613339
A Gerxit would be preferable tbf, they are the one poisoning this union because the try to assume leadership when obviously they are not fit to be leaders.
>>70613692
>Believing this
>>70613744
Yeah, won't someone please think of the people of the future who will be living under ground in a desert.
>>70613613
Not at all. That would be the people pushing green energy. Simply observing what they are doing isn't using their arguments.
A favorite one of mine is Nantucket. There was a unanimous vote for wind turbines to power the island. But for years, they could never actually break ground, because nobody wanted to see the Wind Turbines, and every proposed location was protested by these rich fuckers who wanted to appear progressive, but didn't want to sacrifice anything in order to appear that way.
There is no pleasing the greens. Coal, diesel, and natural gas is too dirty. Nuclear is dangerous. Wind is unsightly. Solar doesn't work that far north without a backup.
>>70613744
The newer generations can already use nuclear waste to produce power.
>>70613707
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_%28Japan%29
Wonder why some investments weren't done in Japan those last 25 years? Wonder why TEPCO enven exists?
>>70610516
>tfw ontario has no coal at all
WE PROGRESSIVE NAO
still have some gas tho
>>70613781
The ENTIRE Russian Wardencliff shot by RT via a drone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tcTwW2_WrU
This is the future of energy ladies and gents
>>70606825
goddamnit murica, still burning a fuckton of coal for power
>>70613949
Our attempts at transitioning from coal are blocked by hippies on the Left and corporate donors on the Right. We're just fucked when it comes to energy.
>>70610661
There was an article about a green energy movement in Germoney in Natgeo last November. It was interesting but the author was either ignorant or lied in it about some things.
>>70603894
We're just building our first nuke. :)
>>70613949
Coal's like 80% here. We also export a shit tone of it.
>cucked countries primary energy source is usually coal
>they are literally burning coal
Pottery
>>70614179
>Pottery
I don't think coal is the best material to make that out of.
>>70610487
Wind is fucking trash, still requires energy off the grid to run when no wind. Need to be replaced every 10 years barely breaking even.
All the equipment for Solar? Where do you think thats made? Coal powered work sites.
We should of went Nuclear 30 years ago. We have the largest reserves in the world, safest country to build one. Fucking does my head
>>70612537
>thinking Yui and her classmates being a bunch of retards and getting slaughtered for it was the epitome of the show
Come on senpai. The first two episodes were a prequel as it was. The whole point of that was to set up Yui.
Meh, Stella a best anyways.
>>70612813
Total Eclipse, a Muv Luv show.
>>70612917
Im sorry Japan...
>>70613072
>local New Zealand man found in house, having cut his entrails out from the wreking he got from an anonymous Japanese poster
>>70613142
When will you take back what is yours? I'm sick of seeing them exist.
>>70613176
Yes and you're arguing a circular argument. You say most nuclear power plants are not up to date, and then say it's a logical fallacy when people point out to you greens have blocked construction of new ones (i.e. replace old ones, since old plants can't simply be "just" demolished).
We have reactor designs RIGHT NOW that are literally, physically, impossible to melt down.
And as for that solar "project" in Morroco that is going nowhere, theoretically it's a good one. Of course, they don't tell you the enviormental harm it does (you can't just build the panels in the middle of the desert with sand tornadoes and such constantly coming) - even if it is the Sahara, there is wildlife there.
And on top, they don't tell you the cost of MAINTAINING solar plants, which is another huge one. Whether it's photovoltaic or heat concentration panels, they have to be maintained very regularly, and have a spit shine polish to get maximum energy efficiency. Now tell me how you're gonna do that in the Sahara (no water sources nearby lol).
>>70614179
t. Queen of Spades.
>>70614024
Why is "This" not a relevant topic? The shit isn't "Fable" watch the video. And are more productive and cost effective than any other power plant on earth.
"Fairy Tale" just became reality man and it deserves a look just as much as fission, fusion, solar, wind, water, geo-thermal, and the S.E.G.
How is it off topic or not pertaining to the threads original post?
>>70613949
Why? It's cheap and efficient.
Nuclear or bust.
>>70613934
stop this bs already
it's a fuckin' ussr-era DC generator for testing high voltage insulator and aircraft's
>>70613744
Only the oldest and most inefficient reactors gave off the highly toxic, long long lasting stuff. The newer reactor's that have been up and running for a bit now, their reactions produce not only way less waste but are also of less long lasting isotopes too.
New generations have virtually none
>>70614367
Lead compounds are toxic bruh
>>70614464
As opposed to lead compunds in fossil fuels?
>>70614362
XD it's AC and was built in 2015
>Got funded in late 2014 and is in no way a USSR-era anything.
Does this offend the powers that be?
Blame Russia ;)
>>70614516
Twas just ironic my friend
Nuclear is great
Except when Belgians run it
That makes me kind of nervous
>>70607821
That's because traditional lightwater reactors use U-235, which is the rarest uranium isotope. U-238 is the most abundant isotope, but it's not fissile. A breeder reactor however can use either U-238 or Th-232 as a starting point, which decay into Pu-239 and U-233 respectively through neutron capture - both of which are fissile.
Aside from breeder reactors being able to extract far more energy from the fuel than current lightwater reactors, both U-238 and Th-232 are also relatively common. There's enough U-238 to fulfill mankind's energy needs for anywhere from tens of thousands to perhaps billions of years, and there's enough Th-232 to last for hundreds of thousands of years.
>>70609462
Why dont we put that thousand year shit on the moon?
![case-gfted[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xG0ORDK.jpg "case-gfted[1].jpg")
>harvest solar energy
>don't just skip to creating your own stars for kicks
>>70614815
B-but what about the people who will be living on the moon in the future?
>>70603894
ultra cucked, leftists.
>>70605940
I remember when people went apeshit about it because if a Chernobyl-tier disaster were to happen, the entire country would get blown up.
We barely have any earthquakes and even the ones we do have are negligible, aren't they? So what're people worried about other than MUH COAL JEW TOLD ME SO?
>>70614815
If you build a space elevator that might be a plan
>>70614815
Cuz it's really expensive to launch crap into orbit or beyond. Not to mention, when one of those rockets explodes, it's gonna rain down all kinds of nasty crap.
>>70614815
Dunno if you ever noticed, but nuclear waste is extremely fucking heavy.
>>70614815
it costs like a minimum of $2200 to put a single kilogram of material into orbit
get that down to $22 and we might be talking solutions
>>70614626
marx generators - DC
There was talk of building a nuclear power plant but retards protested too much because muh scary radiation
so absolutely cucked
>>70613707
Leave it a Finn to talk like a retarded Mongoloid.
Read up on Fukushima and you'll see it was the stupidiy of putting the cooling system's emergency generators in the basement that led to this, not poor maintenance.
Go jerk off to a refugee raping Moomin. Than do your homework.
>>70616000
>Fukushima happens
>world freaks out
>Japan still doesn't give a shit and only briefly pauses nuclear expansion
Is Fukushima dai ni online yet?
>>70603894
Fusion is the future of energy, Fission is just a stepping stone, just like coal, oil, and natural gas.
>>70615279
Thats an interesting find jew-bagle. I've been reading up on marx generators since you pointed that out.
A few uses
>1 to transfer AC ---> DC (Fucked up if they take free AC energy and then convert it to DC to be able to sell and make a profit.
>2 Used in the conversion of DC ---> AC
>3 without it the load would let the capacitors charge
>4 uses in x-ray machines
>5 uses in charge expulsion as you stated (But charge expulsion is what the tower was based upon)
You did your research, and have me cross-eyed trying to figure this out. But looks to be DC -> AC conversion (which IS fucked up)
>>70612540
Fast breeder reactor and theres already functioning ones. but they are just a gimmicks because they are way more expensive than normal ones and we have plenty of regular fuel left for hundreds of years.
>>70616283
Fukushima 1 and 2 are done, already decided. Other reactors continue to brawl with local municipalities to restart, some have already.
>>70616871
it's consumes DC voltage
it's produces one pulse per charging cycle so no fucking AC in here
the shit pointed in the above pic generates lightning strikes 200-300m long to emulate real atmospheric lightning strikes on air and space crafts
>>70618894
And yet they claim that it will provide the charge of EVERY power station available???
>Yes it does produce an "expulsion" as per Teslas design.
>But that is not the point of it and nor does any article make it out to be just that
There are facilities that test for that......but this is NOT one of them
I can see you know at least something about electricity, but this facility was created as per the 2 scientist.....to produce energy
I can site that if you need
>But do appreciate the input in retrospect
>>70619202
>provide the charge of EVERY power station available
bad translation i suppose
the meaning is that output PULSE voltage is equal to sum of all powerplants
>but this is NOT one of them
it's a BS
http://designzdes.ru/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,print,0&cntnt01articleid=54&cntnt01showtemplate=false&cntnt01returnid=15
to bad for you if you can't into russian :3
>>70613478
Chernobyl was not a power spike, it was a catastrophic failure of an experiment
Nuclear is the most efficient, wish Denmark would have it instead of constantly talking about those garbage windfarms.
>>70619555
Im reviewing your do right now
>Oh, im not a fucking idiot and know how to use "Google Translator" as well as any moron with common sense and a computer
I do my research
>>70620414
so as you can see it has nothing to do with "build in 2014" bullshit
for more info and cool pics
http://svintuss.livejournal.com/39301.html
http://www.stepandstep.ru/catalog/your-tape/126134/ustanovka-tesla-v-istre.html
>>70613744
Oh please, the waste in dry storage is barely radioactive, its the material itself that is dangerous.
>>70611224
Can't reverse google image that. Care to provide a link? This sounds like it can assblast most of the "nuclear is dangerous" greentards.
Green energycucks are fucking ruining my country
>protest all new nuclear plans
>coal plants come instead
>demand coal plants to be shut down
And then what you fucking green idiots
Renewable energy can never generate enough energy for the Dutch as we do not have the surface
>>70611766
Oh shit I forgot we and all living things on Earth died because of some radiation diluted across the entire ocean. RIP.
>>70619555
Although it does discharge an electrical charge in the form of lightning, and can be used to test electrical components on air and spacecraft.
It's not ment as the design and is a byproduct as per the 1st translated statement I posted.
It was stated as even in the screener of the translation as a power station, to pwer the whole country.
>But I do see your point of view
>And my wheels are definitely spinning right now trying to figure this out
You got me thinking there jewfriend....hard too
I just don't understand the statement by the scientist, RT, the media, and other scientific journals
There's more to it and I will be digging deeper until I get to the bottom of it
>Keep an eye on /pol/ I'll sporadically post what I find from time to time if it's interesting or of value.
Oh I enjoy the other side brought with intellectual standards facts and sighted sources man.....it def. makes me think though
>>70603894
After chernobyl a fuck ton of fear mongering was done by the left (maybe some lobbyists, but we dont burn oil or coal for power) and after a while a referendum was done, with the option to continue with nuclear power, shut it all down immediately, or replace is slowly by something else. The latter and not the second won thank god.
But here we are, 30 years afterwards and still using the same plants built in the 60s and all are going to close in 10-20 years and the politicians cant decide on wether to build replacements or not.
Our current government also raised the tax on nuclear early in their mandate so they all announced they would close earlier than expected as well, so we are pretty fucked.
>>70620881
Just search for death per watt, there are plenty of studies done.
>>70605817
Communists too. They fed disinformation to the hippies, and it spread among liberals.
>>70621064
bad translation on other media's
it was designed and build for UHV testing purposes only
you wouldn't believe what /x/ shit i have seen on russian tv
Olkiluoto 3 soon guys
right?
right?
On the bright side at least it shows our government's commitment to nuclear. They recently approved for a new nuclear plant to start construction even though pic related is over a decade late and billions over budget.
>>70603894
Cucked to oblivion, we're never getting nuclear here at this rate.
We're getting nothing but subsidised MUH WIND energy here.
We've got to be the most cucked.
We have huge Uranium resources and companies ready to propell us and the world into an era of affordable efficient energy and unlike the US with its 3rd party being Libertarian our politics is controlled by the fucking watermelon Greens which are nothing but the remnants of the Australian Communist party using a grass roots green facade.
I haven't seen anyone as cucked as us but maybe you could argue France has it worse with propaganda leaning towards reversing their investment in nuclear because people actually believe it produces CO2 and contributes to global warming.
We shouldn't use reactors built in the 70s as a case against nucular power. Modern reactors are quite safe and the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
That said... Thorium Reactors
>>70621434
>Finns build new gen reactor as an example to Europe
>8 years overdue and massively over budget
At least you tried
Can't say we did
>>70621409
Huh, I mean I can see how it "Can" be used for that.....there are way cheaper and efficient ways of accomplishing UHV electrio static shock as well.
>None of this makes sense
I do believe you but also know that when it comes to shit like this.....they want to bury it as fast as possible
>So I do have to remain open to the idea that it is factual.
But based on your doc and input I will be dig dig digging as deep as I can get....learn everything I can, analyze the info given then come to a full conclusion. Tesla IS my idol though....a true renaissance man, I have to give credence to his ideas....the man was a genius way before his time, and really knew some shit others would prefer to keep buried *Cough cough* JP Morgan Chase
>>70621811
Thorium reactors won't be a thing until 2025
Still sounds great though
>>70607169
Scientifically illiterate anyone
>>70621933
>there are way cheaper and efficient ways
in 1968? don't think so
>they want to bury it as fast as possible
you know m8, it was ussr..., everything had dual purpose (military) that time :3
>>70603894
We are nuclear free.
Goddammit people here are so delusional when it comes to nukage. To the point that our faggot Navy won't allow nuke powered ships into our coastline.
Seriously dumb.
Ernest rutherford is on our biggest fucking bank note, Fallout 4 is one of the best-selling games here, niggas love dat atom power, yet as soon as someone mentions fission, people cry and whinge and run about decrying it is evil.
>>70621639
Ahem...
>Ernest Rutherford.
>Perpetual nuclear free nation.
Who is the most cucked?
>>70622219
Started in 1921 as stated by the doc....or at least the "Corp" who started it did
Im sure the USSR was daveling in the tech around that time everyone was....the Russians....the US, the Nazis
>But keep in mind....things are ALWAYS bigger than they seem, and there are ALWAYS unexpected byproducts.
They discovered Viagra by accident fiddling with nitric-oxide
But like I said I do appreciate the input in a literally educational fashion
>>70615057
So? Just compress it into smaller blocks with one of those hydraulic presses before shooting it up.
Britts and their lack of vision. Pathetic
We did build a nuclear power plant. When it was finished, we had a national survey about the future of nuclear power in Austria. Now we have a museum about nuclear power.
> get rid of nuclear power basicly over night
> huge costs for tax payer
> But it's good for the environment!!
> build more and more wind turbines destroying whole forests in the process
> meanwhile nuclear plants in belgium and france at the german border are completely unsafe
idiots fucking everywhere
>>70622705
What a shitty comic, where are the coal plants and mines?
>>70622808
it's cheaper to import coal at this point i guess
>>70622914
Just like immigrants right
>>70603894
Pretty cucked. Greenpeace, the EPA, and the Communist left generally cucked the US hard back in the 70s.
>>70622952
