What are the pros and cons of national socialism?
>>78091235
pros - whites get killed
cons - they become muslim countries afterwards
>>78091386
>pros - whites get killed
That's not how that works fake straya
>>78091549
um, yeah, the last time they tried it 50 million whites died
pros:
good for war
cons:
bad for peace
>>78091235
pros: no jewish influence
cons: remainder of the jewish influenced world wants to kill you
>>78091675
>baiting us into thinking it wasn't purely a jewish war on a rival economic system where they couldn't profit
kek
>>78091917
blah blah blah joooos, 50 million whites died.
Well, I hope the jooos kill a lot more of you than 50 million if you try it again.
>>78091235
Pros: Better than communism
Cons: Literally just basicbitch socialism+LARPing
>>78092008
0/10
Here's your (You)
Nazism is modern liberalism. Look up their social programs and government/business structure. The only pro is military might. I'd choose 2016 SJW America over Hitler's Germany any day of the week. At least here we still have a chance of passing conservative legislation.
>>78091235
Pros - nationalism
Cons - socialsim
>>78092008
>detecting a shitskin / self-hating white in fake straya
I bet you think the only reason Europe's rich is because we "stole it all from Africa".
>>78092111
just mad cos natsoc is gay and you can never beat the joooooooos
I sincerely hope you stay mad. Heres your (((you)))
>>78092163
no its because you based your culture on the Jewish Bible of course. No one is as successful as the Jews, and it burns your ass
>>78092159
/thread
Socialism without nationalism is fucking retarded, but nationalism without socialism is slightly less retarded.
Democratic libertarianism is best ism.
Pros: nationalism
Cons: socialism
>>78091235
Pros: no kikes
Cons: no freedom
>>78092394
So what's so bad about us decoupling from the jewish lore and finding our own path?
That's what Hitler was ultimately doing.
>>78092592
the good thing about it is that it wipes out whites, and the bad thing about it is that it turns formerly white countries into islamic stans. I think I've said this already.
>>78091235
Freedom rip
>>78092311
Don't post people from my country you disgusting diaspora filth
>>78091235
Seriously?
>>78092724
white people are either disgusting liberals or disgusting national socialists. Its about time we fired up the ovens, achi
>>78092673
>the good thing about it is that it wipes out whites
And as I said earlier, either you're a self-hating white or a non-white.
Besides, if getting rid of whites is your goal, what is bad about white countries turning into mudslime shitholes?
>>78092880
Nah fuck off cunt, don't call me brother if you aren't posting with an Israeli flag
White people are the reason we're here, the reason we have a country, and they created the culture that inspired ours , here in Israel. The fact that some krauts tried to kill their jews is not a reason to whine and bitch forever.
>>78093093
if theres one thing worse than white cuckhole countries, its islamic countries. This place is only tolerable because the local Maori refuse to be cucked liberals and import muslims en masse. Theres only 1% muslims here.
>>78093339
> Ashkenaz plate licker detected
>>78091235
Pros: Consolidation of power, unity of society if done "right", less dissent between members of society if done "right", unwavering support for the collective majority and of the system in place. Potentially can result in purely goal-driven societies that achieve things without trifle or strife if done "right".
Cons: It can never be done "right", because most people are stupid and do stupid things, especially when given near-total power over all affairs.
It breeds unquestioning, unwavering bastions of ignorance that act as resource sinks, and stratifies the useful/intelligent/capable members of society.
It often lapses on it's "us versus them" sentiment, and usually ends up with infighting of the greatest degree.
The variable ways you can instil National Socialism means that, regardless of whether you worship a religion or worship the state, you cannot easily introduce concepts or ideologies that would greatly benefit the society as a whole without modifying it such that it can be digested by the majority, alongside the existing ethical fibers (that may line up with encouraged moral compasses); you must commit some very stupid, very unfortunate historical revisionism in order to keep things running smoothly, or risk insurgency/cognitive dissonance and subsequent power struggles.
Most outsiders will also chide this system, especially because if it is done wrong or done by example, it will be likened to past mistakes (rightfully so).
Pros- Nationalism
Cons- Socialism
>>78093339
>The fact that some krauts tried to kill their jews is not a reason to whine and bitch forever.
Why can't more jews be like this? Seriously it would go a long way instead of just screaming racist like a child.
>>78093456
>Diaspora parasite detected
You live in a white country, you literally deserve to be killed. If all Jews were like you pre WW2, I really don't blame the German people
>>78093509
Six million is nothing compared to other massacres
And anyway, Israeli aren't diaspora cucks, so it's mostly a problem with your Jews
>>78093468
you know that Nazi 'socialism' wasn't socialism in the normative (read: Marxian) sense.
The use of the word socialism was to elucidate solidarity among all people and opposition to Jewish banking, as well as to drum up support among trade union types by using familiar rhetoric.
>>78093695
>the redpilled Jew takes to pol
what on god's green earth is fucking happening?
>>78093093
Petty sure hes a filthy kike, so no surprise hes against National Socialism, but he doesn't have any actual arguments against it so he just claims it will fuck us over to try and keep us from redpilling
Pro: Good for ethnic cleansing
Con: The country be guilt tripped and self loathing ever after
>>78093695
Oh my god, I never thought that I would see one of the tribe I didn't hate
>>78093855
Watching his discourse with the Israeli flag (presumably a jew) made this quite obvious.
I want them to meme at eachother more.
>>78091235
>>78093848
>>78093983
This isn't so rare on here 2bh
Israelis are just better than your jews
>>78093339
>White people are the reason we're here, the reason we have a country, and they created the culture that inspired ours , here in Israel. The fact that some krauts tried to kill their jews is not a reason to whine and bitch forever.
Thank you based Israeli.
>>78091235
Pros: anti-Communist
Cons: Keynsianism, racial division between Nordic and Anglo-Saxon, Catholicism, cult of personality, gun confiscation
>>78093695
>And anyway, Israeli aren't diaspora cucks, so it's mostly a problem with your Jews
I mean I have no problem with Israel as long as they aren't hypocrites. I'm actually pretty pro israel, but the hypocrisy of Benny criticizing Trump for not wanting to let in refugees is fucking stupid.
You guys obviously don't let in a ton of muslims, why should anybody in your country have a problem with if we don't want to?
>>78091235
>pros
>national socialism
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Whatever kiddo
>>78094107
What makes your Jew better than our Jews?
>>78091235
Pros: it lets bland, edgy zeroes have a bit of kitschy fun dressing up and marching around pretending to be relevant.
Cons: it's a failed idea barely still in living memory, kitsch presented as culture, from a time where many reasonable people were convinced that Nietzschian villainy was a better alternative to proletarian revolt. Savagery dressed up in silly clothes as epic.
>>78094107
Or Israelis wish they could genocide the Arabs.
>>78094299
They actually live in their own country
>>78094147
>gun confiscation
retarded you are.
>>78094107
How much do some jews dislike other jews, and is there any group of jews which openly points the finger at those jews who try to actively get the whole tribe killed by meddling with other nation's affairs?
Or do you all sort of huddle up and stay silent while the internationalists are cucking some money out of Germany?
>>78092159
>>78092427
National socialism doesn't involve marxist socialism
>>78091235
Pros: Racial societies for every race, not just white people.
Incredible cultural homogeneity.
Freedom from globalist empires
Cons: The jews will lose all their money for some reason.
>>78094390
and how has proletarian revolt worked? The more left-wing proletarian a country is the worst it is.
>>78094166
because ashkenazis are crybabies wherever they are, and they are the ones you really hate. They want some gay liberal israel, and they treat palestinans better than religious Jews. Its no wonder Tel Aviv which is where they like to live, is filled with gays.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088319/Tel-Aviv-trumps-New-York-named-worlds-best-gay-city.html
wtf Joshua would have burned it to the ground and killed everyone
>>78092433
>>78092724
>>78093695
>>78094107
You are officially nullified from this discussion.
>>78094654
haha ashkenazi plate licker BTFO
>>78093722
I'd go further: the plebs were told everyone would be equal and everyone's job would be valued as it pushed for the Fatherland. The elites and officers were told they would be a top tier of planetary masters with victory granting them the right to swagger around fucking and fighting any time they want (the edgy teen dream).
The inner circle were told they would exploit the stupidity and greed of the rest and enrich themselves beyond their wildest fantasy, raised up above all others by virtue of their Will, protecting their ownership with force and fraud.
Basically a cataclysmic return to prehistory, but with science applied to industry and arms. We can talk, but if you win i will shoot you in the face, bitch.
>>78091235
Pros
>nationalism
Cons
>socialism
>>78094166
Bib will do anything to make us look good and survive diplomatically. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, like the Trump thing.
I support your sovereignty and oppose foreign influence on the US for the record.
>>78094299
The Jewish identity had developed a range of problems, most of which can be fixed by transforming the Jewish religious-ethnic identity into a national identity. Diaspora has always viewed themselves as separate from the rest of their nation, while an Israeli understands the value of patriotism and loyalty.
>>78094403
Also true
>>78094445
We generally view those who stay in diaspora as cowards, and we know a lot of them are leftists. We are simply not the same people, they are separate from us as much as the Germans and the Japanese are. They talk about Zionism as if they have a right to mention our founding national idea.
Nobody is openly going against them, yet, but most people here don't even know that much about it. Hopefully it'll change soon.
>>78094636
But even the conservatives in Israel criticize western countries that don't want to take in millions of "harmless women and children"
Regardless they shouldn't play as much of a role in politics as they do in our country. Israel that is.
>>78094562
Cuba is one of the best Caribean nations.
>>78092159
Essentially my entire argument. Although, I'm starting to think that a move toward authoritarianism might be a good thing.
>>78094860
Do you ever have fears of being conflated with evil jews and then suffering for no good reason just by association?
>pros
Nice aesthetics
You'll get more rich if you're an industrialist since lol no labour laws
>cons
no labour laws
everything you do is for the state, no time for yourself goyim, work fur das Vaterland
absolutely no legal protection
constant fear of war
eventually you'll get raped by soviets
>>78094786
>The inner circle were told they would exploit the stupidity and greed of the rest and enrich themselves beyond their wildest fantasy
And they did, bro, they did. Check out the art plunder carried out by Goring
>>78094860
My father is a doctor in this country, but if we were in Israel, he'd be a street sweeper or a labourer due to ashkenazi racism towards Mizrahi. I'm going to move to Israel, but now is not the time. I'll wait until all the stabber colonies are wiped out.
>>78092008
maorifag detected
>>78094562
>implying the failure of Nazism meant the success of socialism
WWII was a choice between tyrants, not a victory of freedom over tyranny. International fascism thought warfare should solve everything, more democratic societies were basically owned and run by merchants (inb4 ze jooze).
Democracies don't fight each other much though, they just sell weapons to the poor bastards actually fighting in the 40 odd small scale wars that have been running non-stop for the last 60 years.
This will probably be multiple posts, but as an actual economist I'll try to answer this succinctly and seriously. First in order to understand fascism's economic aspect you must understand corporatism. No, not corporatism that you are probably thinking of with people protesting about today(when most people say corporatism, they mean corprotocracy but that doesn't sound quite right).
Corporatism as a theory is simply the government delegating an activity to a private group; it is not necessarily "left" or "right" to use common political dichotomies (side note: This is a huge reason why fascists claimed to be revolutionary and post-partisan and why some left wing elements folded into fascism) For example one could have the government delegate accreditation of lawyers and doctors to private groups, then use the forces of government to support those decisions. The government could put trade unions in charge of all safety regulation, or it could delegate the minimum wage to whatever a peak association of employers and unions agree upon. (These are all examples of corporatism in existence today).
While corporatism is not necessarily "right" or "left" the very act of delegating out responsibilities to private groups, and then being anti-left (you know, due to being fascist) meant that various right-wing conglomerates were empowered in the a fascist economy. Large economic conglomerates, corporations, the upper-middle class, and other "traditional elites" were the largest beneficiaries of the fascist economy.
However what I just described is a "base" fascist economy. Germany had the added aspect of a complicated administrative system with more central planning than any other fascist economy in Europe (Italy, Hungary, Spain, Portugal, etc...)
>>78095031
>Nice aesthetics
SS uniforms were god tier, absolutely awesome.
>>78095199
Firstly a bit about administration in Nazi Germany. While we have the image of a perfect machine of efficiency for Germany during WWII this efficiency had rather counterintuitive sources and wasn’t from its bureaucratic setup. In a traditional bureaucracy you have a chain of people that report to others, that eventually folds like a tournament bracket until you reach somebody in charge. In Nazi Germany there were intentionally vague and competing offices of power with overlapping jurisdictions, unclear responsibilities, and unclear power relationships, not to mention sometimes you had people either holding multiple positions or hopping from one position to another with alarming frequency as their personal relationship with Hitler changed. (If you want examples of this I encourage you to just look at a basic trajectory of the careers of Goering, Speer, and Bormann. Goering lost very few of his “offices” even as he lost favor with Hitler, but his titles quickly amounted to nothing.) To further complicate things the entire country’s bureaucratic implementation was split into two parallel bureaucracies with the Gau system of the NSDAP as a party and the Governmental system of the states of Germany. (This split between the state and party is seen across Germany during Hitler’s rule, for example in the Court System with the normal courts and the “People’s Courts”, the Army and the SS, etc…)
>>78095253
From 1933 to 1937 Hjalmar Schacht was Germany’s minister for the economy. He oversaw a fairly orthodox economic program with high military spending as part of the economy (over 10% spending in 1935). Heavy borrowing to fund infrastructure and reduce unemployment. Reduction in reparations repayment. Currency manipulation to boost consumer spending. At the same time Germany banned all independent trade unions and folded them into a new corporate structure, began conscripting young men (thus removing the need for them to find employment, and note for German statistics when men were on rotation and training the reserves, they were counted as employed, meaning you had a sort of carousel of employment which altered statistics ), and moved women out of the work force (In 1933 they were approximately 1/4 of the workforce, by 1937 they were 1/9) By 1935 Germany had a universal “labor service” where people were (sometimes) conscripted for employment purposes. German companies and conglomerates (empowered by corporatism) achieved almost unbelievable returns on capital investment despite real production barely increasing. Everyone loves to point to unemployment, but it is one of many factors of an economy, one that would have spiked again if this house of cards fell without war. Then this is to say nothing of underemployment. Professional and middle class jobs shrank from 1929 until 1938 (outside of the military) , but I’m not aware of any statistics measuring this specifically other than Nazi Gau memos mentioning it might be a problem.
>>78091235
pros: good economy, no poverty, no degeneracy, safety, nationalism, no jews
cons:no freedom of speech, can't own guns.
>>78095301
By 1937 Germany had to choose. Either reduce military spending, increase trade, and attempt to save the economy from overheating (which is what Orthodox economists and Keynesians were suggesting) or fully “commit”, and prepare for war. That combined with Nazi ideologies and the idea that economic autarky could be achieved via new conquests in the east meant the German economy continued to overheat from an already dangerous level. Price controls were intensified to control inflation and wages totally stagnated. The recovery that began in 1931 (before the Nazis came to power) which had been overseen by actual economists like Schacht was either squandered due to the confusing German bureaucracy, or been made unsustainable through military rearmament. Price controls, labor “conscription”, currency manipulation, propaganda, and unsustainable spending kept the economy afloat and people employed until war and eventually total war in 1942, when Albert Speer managed to rationalize this mess of an economy for war production (but while an interesting story, it is another one).
Just to give an idea of how “shallow” the Nazi economic recovery was;
From 1928 to 1939:
Government debt increased 400%
Real Wages rose 6% from 1932-1939.
Despite this marginal increase Germany’s GDP nominally increased by almost 60% (this should set off alarm bells)
Wages as a part of the German economy fell form 68% in 1928, to 56% in 1933, to 52% in 1939.
Turned a substantial trade surplus into a negative balance of trade.
Domestic consumption in food staples (meat, milk, bread, etc…) reached 1928 levels only in 1937, where it promptly crashed again until the end of the war.
I could probably fill a full post with this, but I’m not inclined to and hopefully I made my point.
>>78095054
The art plunder is famous, but his shiny uniforms and jodhpurs and general wacky posturing around is a part of the whole bland-thug-in-the-high-seat phenomenon.
>>78095028
Dude he lives in a Jewish country. That's like saying if you were living in a traditional western country if you're worried about SJWs.
>>78095028
Yes, another reason I dislike them. ell it's happening everyday on /pol/
At some point you guys will begin talking about it, and then Israelis will recognize that those people are not our brothers, but just a greedy group using our name to get privilege points and shekels, and that they do nothing but harm us while bribing our politicians.
>>78095077
You don't deserve Israel, and your father doesn't deserve NZ for raising a traitor.
>>78095323
>socialism
>good economy
WHEN WILL THIS MEME FUCKING DIE ALREADY?
>>78095031
>since lol no labour laws
What was the 40 hour work week?
What was giving your employees a vacation?
What was having a cafeteria and toilets for your employees?
Wew lad.
>absolutely no legal protection
Their laws were pioneering western civilization and went as far as to include animal rights, which many countries use today.
I'll read and respond to your posts in my next reply.
>>78095362
His reply below yours seems to imply otherwise.
>>78095370
Do you think we ever have a chance to regain our self-determination (both yours and ours), or are we totally fucked?
Does Israel's economy suffer from international jewry as well?
How does morale stay high when you're locked into constant war?
>>78094817
>>78095509
why are americans so retarded? socialism of nazism have nothing to do with all other kinds of socialist(marxist socialism)
Pro: We have the best ovens. They have supernatural efficiency.
Con: Jews make up a bunch of shit about our ovens, claiming they have supernatural efficiency.
>>78095253
Also rosenberg and Goebbels
>>78094484
I'm aware, Hitler at least was opposed to communism, but mostly because of the jew's stranglehold of it. Socialism still puts the state and it's people before the market/economy and that is fine, but having that without also being strict on who you let in is the dumb part.
I think of it like a gym membership:
>You make a gym that is awesome with the best equipment and trainers.
>There are a bunch of programs and systems you can use to your benefit.
>You make the gym membership cost a lot to gaurantee that the users treat the equipment right, or else they can't get in and use the gym. That's sort of like National Socialism.
Socialism without Nationalism is like a really nice gym but anyone can use it despite their membership status. It sounds good at first, but eventually the pajeets and Muh Hammuds start shitting on the bench press and pissiang on the treadmills. Libertarianism/Free-Market states is like using rocks and fallen trees to get swole, and anyone who doesn't think creatively enough to get swole will get their shit pushed in.
>>78091675
yeah but that's just how war goes, if the nazis won the white race would've dominated the world by now.
>>78095775
Don't you ever read?
F.A. Hayek conclusively had proven that there is no difference between socialism and nazism when it relates to the economy, or what it degenerates into
https://mises.org/library/road-serfdom-0
>>78095716
I have hope, nationalism is a basic human drive, especially ethnically driven one. What they are trying to do is to pervert human nature for the benefit of their global system, while we are responding to our instincts and to the fire that always burns within us. Their resistance is almost futile, they are fighting against the natural way of things in almost every way.
When war will come to your lands, true war, your people will wake up whether they want it or not.
Don't know about the economy but we do have moral degeneration just like you.
And morale is high because of the war, I think, we were molded by war(as europe was) and it made us strong. There's very little panic in times of war, everybody knows the deal, we trust our army and we want to survive.
>>78096156
the difference is that it works
>>78095199
>>78095253
>>78095301
>>78095343
post more senpai.
>>78096261
nice try scholomo
>>78096287
>digging ditches
>>78095716
>What was giving your employees a vacation?
The only really popular gov program in the third reich. But it was used mostly by the ss and nazi party officials
>absolutely no legal protection
He his right. Unions were quickly dismembered. Not to mention the working conscription, wich i doubt the 40 hour workweek applied.
>animal rights
>muh animal rights
>muh smoking studies
>>78095199
>>78095253
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>>78095343
Anyone can claim to be an economist. Link sources.
>>78096433
because germany was not shit after ww1 and it didn't became a world power during ww2 right?
>>78095343
>>78095301
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>>78095199
Hitler didn't borrow any money. He printed his own and set one Reichsmark equal to one unit of labor.
At the end of the war only states had debt, the national government very little.
Also, I think you need some sources to back up those figures.
>>78096261
That was inspiring.
When do you think the "great awakening" will come, and the war will ensue?
>>78096156
>using mises as a source when talking about socialism
So workers owned the means of production in Nazi germnay?
>>78096038
>I'm aware, Hitler at least was opposed to communism
So was Poland
>>78093695
What are the tribes of jews and which are the cool ones?
>>78096579
>it didn't became a world power during ww2 right?
No it didn't, lol. Very far from it.
They took a pretty masssive beating from USSR
>>78096261
>There's very little panic in times of war, everybody knows the deal, we trust our army and we want to survive.
Tragic citizen reduced to trusting pigs implicitly on the basis of survival anxiety.
Congratulations, you're basically a germ.
>>78096701
>Workers own the means of production
You don't actually believe that Marxist meme do you? Don't you mean (((workers)))
>>78096646
>Hitler didn't borrow any money.
He "borrowed" from the bank of Greece
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_occupation_of_Greece
>>78096701
are you just one guy posting as left/pol/ or are there several of you guys?
I see you talk about communism and socialism, but haven't heard you talk about Nationalism. What is your opinion on nationalism?
>>78096949
I'm not personally a socialist, but the workers owning the means of production is a pretty basic defenition of marxist socialism.
>>78097043
>Because none of that money was stolen
Lefty pol following the Jewish tradition. Nothing new here.
>>78097127
Just one bro.
>but haven't heard you talk about Nationalism
I am nationalist myself
>>78096874
>They took a pretty masssive beating from USSR
after rekting them easily without resistance
the ONLY reason the USSR got its territory back its because USA and UK helped them giving them tanks, guns, oil , food and jeeps.
>>78096646
It already began, see Trump, brexit and the establishments need to rig your last elections.
From here it'll only grow and grow, and in addition more people will rediscover the absolute joy of being proud and loyal to your group and to your fatherland.
If the islamic uprising will continue to grow as well, and I think that it will, I don't see a reason for the process to stop. If Trump wins and/or brexit happens, it'll only accelerate.
>>78096828
Cool ones are the ones who have a national identity that is stronger than their religious/ethnic identity.
>>78096898
And you're a germ who thinks he's an individual, even more pathetic
I am a part of a group and I have always been, and only will be, like any person to ever exist.
>>78097191
What are you trying to say?
>>78096701
Do you know why Mises said "If Socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists"? Because he anally rekt socialism. You must read his socialism book.
>>78096828
Good goy its tribe of shekelstein.
>>78091235
>pros: nationalism
>cons: socialism
>>78097184
Except it's "workers". It is the government's definition of a worker, which is central party member. If you have any kind of disagreement with the collectivists, then you are no longer a worker, you are a bourgeious capitalist.
The workers are only tricked into thinking they own the means of production, in reality it's just the government.
>>78097245
Oh good, so you aren't completely retarded.
Next question: do you even lift?
>>78097277
I see you also are waiting for the day we take back our birthright.
Did you serve in the military?
>>78097291
German revolution of 1919
The Treaty of Versailles
The French stealing money from the Weimar Republic in the 20's
>>78097264
>after rekting them easily without resistance
Only becasue they hitted them when they weren't expecting. Once the Soviets reorganized, developed their logistics, coordinated their plans, they wrecked the germans.
>the ONLY reason the USSR got its territory back its because USA and UK helped them giving them tanks, guns, oil , food and jeeps.
Battle of Stalingrad was won before any of the lend lease reached the front, bro. And by then the war was decided
>>78097445
Unfortunately no, and it was a stupid decision. I was raised a leftist and was influenced by the wrong people, among other more serious stuff.
But I am already in the process of beginning volunteering, so I'll still serve my country.
>>78097502
I hope you realize the US climbed itself out of he great depression by selling weapons and the means to manufacture weapons to the Soviet Union. The same country that send millions to the gulags?
>>78097502
>Only becasue they hitted them when they weren't expecting.
of course they were, peace would not last long
> Once the Soviets reorganized, developed their logistics, coordinated their plans, they wrecked the germans.
LMAO
>just send millions of soldiers until it works
>logistics,plans
>Battle of Stalingrad was won before any of the lend lease reached the front, bro. And by then the war was decided
so what? doesn't mean that they didn't got helped. More people from URSS died in ww2 than all the other countries involved in the war combined.
>>78097445
>Did you serve in the military?
Military service is mandatory in Israel.
>>78097440
What? lol go talk to facebook girls, not me.
>>78097496
So because other did, they can do it?
And the treaty of Versailles is fair, it only hurted the >muh german superiority germans nationalists fee fees
>The French stealing money from the Weimar Republic in the 20's
No, the german niggers stoped paying the reparations
>German revolution of 1919
What has this got to do with anything?
>>78097805
It's not hard to get out, as I said, we also have moral degeneration
>>78097750
>Unfortunately no, and it was a stupid decision.
Well how did that happen? Did you file as a conscientious objector or something like that?
>>78096537
>>78096646
Burleigh M,. Wippermann W., The Racial State - Germany 1933-1945, Cambridge Uni Press
Caroll B.A., Design for total War. Arms and Economics in the Third Reich, Mouton, The hague
Howlett Peter, Fighting with Figures. A Statistical Digest of the Second World War, HMSO, 1995
Kershaw Ian, Nazi Dictatorship: Problems and Perspectives of Interpretation, London, Oxford UP
Leon P. Dupeux G. (dir.), Histoire economique et sociale du monde. Tome 5: Guerres et Crises 1914-1947, Armand Colin, Paris, 1977
Macksey K., Why the Germans Lose at War, Greenhill Books, London 1996
>>78091235
Stormfags out in force tonight on our board - not interested in your obvi shilling.
>>78097885
Nope, psychological reasons. For the record I really was unfit for service, and I might have done something stupid(although I don't think that I would have), but I should have insisted.
>>78097857
Aaaaaaaand filtered
Thx tripfag
>>78097750
Good to see you are making amends and rectifying that.
Better late than never.
Also, like someone else mentioned, how did you manage to get out of that?
>>78097776
Ok, sure. Why do you think i give a fuck?
>>78097785
>of course they were, peace would not last long
They say Stalin only ever trusted one man in his life. Hitler.
>just send millions of soldiers until it works
k:d ratio near the end of war was 1.4:1 . The germans only had advantage becasue they were on the defensive. The red army had huge operational capability near the end of war.
>doesn't mean that they didn't got helped.
They did, but the help wasn't decisive in any way.
>More people from URSS died in ww2 than all the other countries involved in the war combined.
Because the germans decided to genocide. Employed people in occupied lands in slave work. Plundered the local economy.
>>78097857
Holy fuck.
Sometimes I forget just how brainwashed liberals are.
The money that was stolen from them was redistributed all around Europe by international bankers. The German Revolution was an attempt by these same (((bankers))) to have a communist takeover of Germany. If you knew anything about the Treaty of Versailles then you'd know that it was an attempt by globalist bankers to permanently cripple Germany. They asked for more money because otherwise Wilson wouldn't have been able to form the League of Nations.
Germany was the good guys. Get over it.
>>78098049
np ;)
>>78092132
>At least here we still have a chance of passing conservative legislation.
I give it literally 2-3 years before shillary has opened the 'path to citizenship' for millions of burritoniggers followed swiftly by the whole beanstalk coming with them.
Good luck negotiating with that senpai.
>>78098029
I'm on the same boat m8, I regret not serving but with every passing year it's getting harder and harder to see myself going through this ordeal.
>>78098208
Because I would've assumed that you knew your moorish ancestry wouldn't be tolerated in a Marxist society.
>>78097909
Milward Alan S., War, Economy and Society 1939-1945, University of California Press, 1980
Also some works by Schnetzler and Sheridan I can't remember the titles of.
>>78098208
>They say Stalin only ever trusted one man in his life. Hitler.
source:your ass
you are a retard commie cocksucker, not even going to reply anymore
>They did, but the help wasn't decisive in any way.
yes it was, they had nothing, thats why they got destroyed when they first got invaded, they didnt had any war equipment.
>Because the germans decided to genocide.
>The civilians were often sent into battle without rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
>>78092427
>Democratic libertarianism
Lel no, fuck off m8. Considering how retarded the vast majority of libertarians are it will turn into a nation of pot smokers who will be taken over by all the mexicans and muslims that will come pouring in because having borders would "Violate the NAP maaaaan" until they reach the numbers to overthrow the democratic system.
>>78098566
Appreciate it. Now I can filter out the Talmud niggers.
>>78098170
Psychological reasons that were legit at the time, but no excuse.
>>78098391
Save some money to have for spending, send them a mail, go do it for a year. You don't need the fact that you didn't do your duty on your conscience. How do you feel when soldiers are being killed? I know I feel like shit.
You can even do it for a year or something as far as I know, and you can refuse if they send you to a shitty place. easy peasy compared to the real thing.
Do you have some degree or something? like, programming for example?
Where did this national socialism is not socialism meme come from a liberal friend told me that and I read the same thing on wikipedia. Then I started to read a book and Hitler imposed socialist policies left and right. Is there a reason they deny it? It's even in the fucking name
>>78098318
>bankers
>funding a communist revolution
Do you know how stupid you sound?
>reaty of Versailles then you'd know that it was an attempt by globalist bankers to permanently cripple Germany.
Take the globalist bankers and it's right. Every peace treaty is always about making the enemy crippled, so he won't attack you again.
>They asked for more money because otherwise Wilson wouldn't have been able to form the League of Nations.
Germans were granted consistently debt alleviances.
>Germany was the good guys. Get over it.
HAHAHAHHA, what next, the poles were genociding Germans?
>>78092159
I came here to post this. You beat me to it.
>>78092008
Wow, not Australia?
>>78091235
>Pros
All of them
>Cons
None
>>78098608
>yes it was, they had nothing
But they beated back the apparently all powerfull german war machine before second grade equipment arrived. Like i said, all lend lease arrived after the battle of Stalingrad. And after the battle of Stalingrad the war was pretty much over.
>>The civilians were often sent into battle without rifles.
source? COD 2 is not a source
>>78098725
np man
>>78098775
That's alright.
>>78098779
>Hitler imposed socialist policies
Such as? Did he abolishe capital gains? Did he took the means of production out of capitalist hands and gave them to the workers?>>78098566
Post more of the redpills please
>>78098806
You mean (((bankers)))? With the echo meme?
It was the Bolshevik jews trying to pool money in preparation for a global communist takeover. Lots of evidence that the USSR was gearing for a total invasion of Europe Like Russia had been trying for centuries.
>Apologizing for the jews who woukdve sent you to the gulags for defying their authority
Fuck
>Debt allegiances
You know how those work right? Here goyim take this money with no strings attached. No goyim, you can't have your lands back, Schleswig Holstein and Danzig are ours.
>The poles were genociding Germans.
>Inb4 brainwashed fuck
Actually they were genociding jews. And beating up people in Danzig because hat is how nationalism works. The only way for that area to become polish was to kick out the Germans. The Germans didn't want that , so instead of leaving their lands they stayed and fought with the locals. That's how war works, there are no innocents.
Maybe if you bothered to actively search for proof of racial tensions between polish and Germans you'd know. It's not like 30 years prior they killed each other
>>78099684
*Cuck not fuck
>>78098775
No degree, I've spent my time working for my father and getting more and more responsibilities. He's getting real old and I would feel guilty if I disappeared for a year and dump this extra pressure on him.
>>78099932
Damn. Well, you could go do some jobnik shit near your house, but family always comes first.
>>78091235
Pros: winning af
Cons: not enough humor/light heartedness
>>78091235
pros: anti-communism
cons: everything else
>>78099197
Well what do you want to know?
>>78100309
Actually pic related
>>78099684
>It was the Bolshevik jews
So first it was the internationalist bankers, now they were the bolshevik jews?
>inb4 IDS DE SAME xD LOLOLOL
>Lots of evidence that the USSR was gearing for a total invasion of Europe
Their goal was to spread global communism, and it wasn't any kind of secret, but can you give me a proper source of a planned military invasion?
>And beating up people in Danzig
No they weren't. It was a staged scenes by the Danzing nazi party, wich was in power there. Also Danzing wasn't Polish, it was under mandate by the League of nations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
>Maybe if you bothered to actively search for proof of racial tensions between polish and Germans you'd know.
I do. I don't get my knowledge out of /pol/ memes. I actually read WW2 literature made by serious historians
>>78091675
churchill and fdr, the original cucks are dead and were all on the same page this time.
>>78100660
>Well what do you want to know?
Everything you can teel me.
>>78092008
we are allied with the actual aussies, they want us to carpet bomb the whole southern coast.
i bet a faggot like you lives there.
>>78091235
National Socialism was a reactionary movement in response to Bolshevism.
Germans were backed into a corner with no way out, so they unsheathed their claws and fought like a rabid animal.
That is fascism
It doesn't work in the long run, because of the age old question: "how do we pick the next leader?"
Eventually it will dissolve into a hereditary dictatorship, the leaders won't care about the people, and it will collapse in on itself
The entire motivation behind democratic elections was thinking up a scheme to get a good ruler in charge
>>78092433
>>78092724
Isralianons
you might like uncle adolfs book
NS would work well there because if the leftists ever get control you almost immediately get crushed by your neighbors.
don't read the versions translated by jews though they get it very wrong on purpose....
actually im sort of interested if there is a translation into hebrew that is in any way accurate, since your elites lie to you as much as everyone else.
>>78101624
I really should read it to be honest(for educational reasons mossad don't worry). And no, I doubt there is a hebrew translation at all.
>>78093456
lol jealous because they don't look like trolls, and can pass for euro, and served in the reich, and are the only tribe with enough loyalty to fight beside and not worry.
>>78101129
>National Socialism was a reactionary movement
No it wasn't. It was a futuristic movement that seeked to "combine the old with the new". Nedless to say that the old was pretty much forsaken.
>Germans were backed into a corner with no way out
Yeah, like they were backed in the corner into annexing Czechs. Do you guys even believe the things you say?
>It doesn't work in the long run, because of the age old question: "how do we pick the next leader?"
They never got to that part
>>78102226
He said it himself, he'll move here when palis aren't a problem. He's a coward by his own admission.
>served in the reich
Source?
>>78093901
not ever after; just till they take their first big red pill; which they are really resistant to doing.
and they wake up realllllly angry
>>78094214
the eternal portugal
have we gone to war with you yet?
you will be added to the list.
911 is portugals fault
i saw 4 of those creepy fuckers dancing on the george washington bridge.
>>78094489
the reason involves central banks
the top monkeys leech off of every country.
there are only 2 left that don't have one.
iran and N korea. that is why the lying press says they are dangerous every so often. and why isreal has said they are 5 months away from a nuke every 5 months for the last 30 years.
>>78103024
Dancing to Quim Barreiros and eating codfish
National Socalism is the surface of a good idea with a set of inconsistencies at its core.
The pros are irrelevant because its built on a foundation of sand and will eventually fall.
If you can push a society of values as the Nazis did without having to resort to xenophobic hatred, then you might have something
>>78100754
>Be mobile fag
Sadly if I was on the computer I could spam the thread with sources. But I can't.
WW has no serious historians, however, only people which the establishment deems correct. The single greatest war in history has millions of different perspectives. Your perspective is the one of the jew.
If you want some evidence look up Soviet military inventories and tell me they weren't preparing for an invasion.
>The Danzig false flag meme
Disproven on multiple occasions.
>Get my info from /pol/ memes
Kek. I see you don't understand the point of the memes do you?
>The Bolshevik jews were not the bankers
True. They were some of the bankers. It was as much of a war between eastern and western jews as anything else. Germany, as usual, was in between. Same reasons why the Germans had 150,000 Jewish soldiers.
Pros:
>Nationalism
Cons:
>Socialism
>>78095343
copy/pasting (((wikipedia))) huh kike
slovenia is now officially worse than the leafs
>>78103702
Poor Germany... getting in the middle of a war they started :(
>>78103790
kek
>>78103790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpTWKKWQ1o
>>78103995
The same hitler who said it was okay to emotionally manipulate people and pander to their ignorance?
huh... really makes you think
>>78103848
>They started
The leaf is really trying to take aussieland's place huh?
Hitler tried to take back German lands from the bankers and wanted nothing else. Britain started the war after Hitler entreated them over 20 times with armistice. Which would've , of course, allowed them to build up their military and colonial empire. But the French and British were rules by cucks. So they went to war anyways.
>>78095775
jews run the education system
used to be good then after they killed jfk in 63 it has been an acceleration to hell
>>78095853
also master woodworkers that can make supernaturaly airtight doors for gas chambers
>>78104115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn4mVDtqi7g
>>78095775
Pure coincidences hue monkey
>>78104126
>If you're against me you must be a banker!
He was trying to take it back from the countries who defeated them. Germany got a shit deal and France was basically asking for it, but at the same time, they went about it in completely the wrong way
>>78104258
okay?
>>78103702
>Sadly if I was on the computer I could spam the thread with sources.
Sadly you are a anon, so your word means nothing.
>WW has no serious historians
But you got it all figured out. What are your sources?
> look up Soviet military inventories and tell me they weren't preparing for an invasion.
And why aren't there any plans that survived? Inventories mean nothing.
source?
>Disproven on multiple occasions.
source?
>Same reasons why the Germans had 150,000 Jewish soldiers.
?? That is almost the amount of german jews. 12.000 jews fought for germnay in ww1, a higher rate then that of the germans themselves.
>>78103846
>pic related
There are no cons.
>>78104262
>If you disagree with me you must be a banker
>Projecting this hard
Neocon detected. I suppose you don't know that French forcefully stole gold from the German banks after the Weimar Republic experienced hyperinflation? There was no other way.
>>78097805
the ones who wear goofy hats and fuck that wall don't have to
>>78104570
Well they shouldn't have lost so bad.
But as I said, France was asking for it. Poland was being kind of a bitch too, but again, that still doesn't make what Germany did in response any more valid.
Almost as if politics don't boil down as simply as the NatSocs would have you believe... huh
>>78092505
What makes you believe there's no freedom? What do you even want freedom of?
>>78104884
One of Hitler's last edicts was total control over the life of every German citizen. Maybe he want's freedom from a government that could at any moment consider you unworthy of life and act on it
>>78104126
>Hitler tried to take back German lands from the bankers and wanted nothing else.
So Moravia and bohemia were german lands?
And let's us completely forget about lebensraum, seing that we are in a doublethink thread.
>Britain started the war after Hitler entreated them over 20 times with armistice.
Hitler peaces were more of a propaganda action by Hitler ("Hurr durr we offered peace, but the anglos warmongers wanted blood"). Hitler was never intent on peace. Read this
> On the night of 30/31 August, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop read a 16-point German proposal to the British ambassador. When the ambassador requested a copy of the proposals for transmission to the Polish government Ribbentrop refused on the grounds that the requested Polish representative had failed to arrive by midnight.[40] When Polish Ambassador Lipski went to see Ribbentrop later on 31 August to indicate that Poland was favorably disposed to negotiations, he announced that he did not have the full power to sign, and Ribbentrop dismissed him. It was then broadcast that Poland had rejected Germany's offer, and negotiations with Poland came to an end. Hitler issued orders for the invasion to commence soon afterwards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland
>>78104477
>You are an anon.
Yup. At least you're not completely retarded. Much of it comes from German newspapers (those run by jews and those not). Multiple documentaries and public speakers. A few censuses and some authors (mein Kampf without he Jewish edits included) I think I have a sheet of a few of the speeches lying around somewhere.
>Stefan molymeme
You know he is ethnically Jewish.
>12,000 jews fought
>Higher rate than the Germans
Surely you tried to look at a census that didn't echo?
>>78104570
>French forcefully stole gold from the German banks
After refusing to keep up with the reparation payments
>>78105035
>That doesn't fit my narrative so I'm just going to call you a Jew.
>also don't forget that Jews are bad because they ignore your argument and rephrase responses into completely irrelevant statements :^)
>>78105101
>Much of it comes from German newspapers (those run by jews and those not)
During war?
>Multiple documentaries and public speakers
>The greatest story never told
kek
>You know he is ethnically Jewish.
I just use the meme. I don't care for the man
>Surely you tried to look at a census that didn't echo?
My bad, that was the number of jews killed in the front
>>78105035
>Citing kikeapedia
Kek.
You don't look up you sources past the first ten links on Google don't you?
Look. Historians over the centuries have the incredible habit of lying for the benefit of money. If you had the decency to look past that you'd find yourself having been lied to.
>>78105552
>Historians over the centuries have the incredible habit of lying for the benefit of money.
But the Nazis? No, they were on the level, full stop.
>>78102389
http://www.jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitler_jewish_soldiers.htm
there are a few books on this too.
Funny that it's only brainwashed Americans supporting capitalism like the good goyim they are.
>>78105552
>Citing kikeapedia
Wikipedia as sources of it own.
> Historians over the centuries have the incredible habit of lying for the benefit of money.
That is why i don't read pop books. But you are tryong to say this negotiations never happened? That things that are very well documented are somehow a fabrication?
>you'd find yourself having been lied to.
And you know the truth just because you saw a shitty 6 hour doc called the greatest story never told.
>>78105512
>During war
And before.
>Greatest story never told
Meh. It was alright. At least it's babies first redpill for a lot of people. A better one for new babies is Goy's guide to world history.
>12,000 died in the war
And the rest of them led to the Zimmermann telegram dragging the US in the war. Not every jew is Zionist, but Jewish nationalism was a massive, sweeping movement. It's written by a new but Chaim potok's "the chosen" describes it fairly well.
>>78106093
>And before.
After '33?
And when will you post a argument?
>>78106093
Right, the documentary that markets itself as "Too Hardcore for YouTube" after getting pulled for stealing IP is in anyway a redpill, right.
>>78105940
>Wikipedia has sources of its own
Of course. Do you ever try and confirm if those sources were bad as well? A lot of times they will just leave out important info and get away with it by claiming "well we just weren't aware of this new information" and change nothing.
>>78105739
neat af
>>78106421
Got any sources to confirm that?
>>78106709
>Sources to confirm the sources from a single Wikipedia page
Kek
>>78106421
Whatever man. I see you are here just to shitpost. Come back when you have actual arguments
>>78107255
>I-its okay if I do it!
nice try
>>78091235
pros:
>ethnic homogenity leading to high trust societies
>all the pros of Keyneseanism
>full employment
>living wages
>little need for welfare, but it exists for the rare occasions
>national pride and sense of national destiny
>not being ruled by shadow government of globalist bankers and "investment capitalists"
Cons:
>hated by world jewry and their proxies
>inevitably the target of both the marxist left and the "finance capitalist" liberals
>Jews wont permit a nation to exist free of jewish influence
>basically signing yourself up for constant war unless you achieve clear military and economic dominance
>>78097857
>treaty of Versailles
>fair
Serbian rebels started a war in Austro-Hungary, then Russia chimp-out because the Austrians were killing slavic terrorists; Germany allied with Austria because they were Germanic bros and wanted to form a German alliance. France and the UK ganged-up on Germany because they were jelly of their newly-forming empire. So when the war was over, Germany having to pay so much was fair?
>>78103848
>they started
The Soviets were eager to cuck Poland as well.
The Germans getting Austria and Sudetnaland were relatively peaceful, and it makes sense, IMO. Germanic peoples needed to unite, since the CommIntern was trying to cuck everybody and destroy their culture back then. The Bongs and Frogs already had huge empires and resources to defend themselves with, the Germans lost their relatively small amount in WWI. It was time for them to get swole.
>pros: national
>cons: socialism
>>78091235
Pros:
>everything
Cons:
>the world will unite against you
>>78111221
>implying they didn;t redefine socialism to mean Germanism
It's embarassing that it's always a burger saying this dumb shit every time this is discussed. We're so cucked by zionist media in this country, its fucking sad.
>“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency.
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”
-- Adolf Hitler 1938
>Against the Mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930's Germany (Germa Bel)
http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf
>http://townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/2004/01/16/hitler_and_keynes
>http://www.jstor.org/stable/4401913?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>https://mises.org/library/three-new-deals-why-nazis-and-fascists-loved-fdr
https://youtu.be/pKnFN8P21-0
>>78091235
pros: you get rid of the jews
cons: dude you got rid of the jews
>>78110762
>Germany having to pay so much was fair?
The reparations were not very high.
Versailles treaty was fair. Much fairer then german niggers deserved.
>>78104477
>And why aren't there any plans that survived?
70 years of KGB controlling documents and media?
They got away with spamming the 6 gorillian meme, so it's not unfeasible that they could hide alread-classified military documents from the 1930s.
>>78111643
Not an argument.
>>78111643
>The reparations were not very high.
Sure, they just had to pay 2 billion marks annually until 1987.
>Versailles treaty was fair.
Considering Britain was a month from starvation and surrender, and German soil had never actually been invaded or controlled by a foreign army, I'd say Versailles was an example of German naivete and magnanimity, which was taken, forged into a spear, and used to stick the Germans with. If you think that's fair, you're obviously a moral hypocrite.
>Much fairer then german niggers deserved.
Kike detected.
>>78111726
Any non-tinfoil theory?
>>78112147
>Sure, they just had to pay 2 billion marks annually until 1987.
Cmpare that to germany GDP
>>78112147
Why are the Federal Reserve Chairmen always Jews?
Damn, the memes are real.
>>78111643
Also, on your calling the Germans niggers. Germans were the best culture on mainland Europe. They had the best universities and medical schools, and they had government-assisted healthcare for poor people since Bismarck's days. If you look at the Nobel prizes from the late-1800s to WWI era, the majority of them are German.
WWI and WWII was just an effort to contain the massive Slavic chimp-out; but greedy cucks in the UK and France were too dumb to realize that Slavic gommunism would be a bigger problem later-on.
>>78112449
>Cmpare that to germany GDP
Compare it to the inside of this fucking oven, Shlomo.
;^)
>>78112449
Post-Marshall Plan Germany. Weimar Republic Germany was a doomed state that would have collapsed and fallen to Bolshevism trying to pay back the debt had Hitler not come along.
>>78112449
>Stalin could make people disappear, but secret military documents that he had direct control over were just too much.
>Stalin cumming in his pants at the chance to attack Poland and Finland isn't a sign that he had been planning for such things.
>m-muh GDP
Jews always mention GDP.
49 billion marks wasn't the extent of the reparations, there were also massive terrotorial losses, disarmament, being vulnerable to every predatory neighbor, and the looming threat of the Soviet Union. Every other nation on the planet wanted to carve Germany up, didn't think it had any right to exist. Germans should be a minority in states controlledby every other ethnicitiy in Europe. So much for universal, liberal humanist values. What a fucking joke the last century was, what a moral vacuum it turned into. Endless hypocrisy and lies, and none more so than from the supposed "victims" of the last two wars, the supposed "winners" who won nothing but their own slow ethnocide and democide. The synogogue of satan controls this world, this is its dominion.
I sometimes wonder if this world is actually hell...why would God tolerate such wickedness to rule his creation?
