Gun-grabbing shitlibs have no answer for this.
>>77710678
Racist justice system!!1
>>77710822
oh right, forgot
that's why people of lightness do well in tests & don't murder.. explains everything magically!
It's systemic racism obviously.
Wtf happened in 2002
>>77710678
Is there a source? I know it's true but you can't really use a graph without citations
(((Mike Bloomberg))) actually argued that we have to disarm black men until they're 25
There was a small dust-up, the video of him speaking was suppressed at his request and (((the media))) quickly forgot he ever said it
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/07/bloomberg-suggests-banning-young-minority-males-from-gun-ownership/
>>77710678
Here to BTFO you just like in the last thread. Let me state again. London has the population of Norway, significantly more Blacks as a percentage than the US and all of this contained within a dense urban area. Guess what their homicide rate is? 1.6/100,000. What is the difference between the US and London. Let me say two words: gun control. Also, the UK has far more generous welfare, but most gun nuts are against that as well, unless they're realllly scraping the bottom of the barrel for arguments. Also, the overall non-Hispanic white homicide rate is still 2.5/100,000 aka still easily the HIGHEST IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD BY FAR. Burgers are just violent, and that's primarily due to their sycophantic gun worship.
>>77711570
*non-Hispanic white rate in the US, I should clarify
>>77711034
Recession
>>77711561
i don't have source for that graph but I do have for similar
>>77711567
Das racist.
They'd probably just stab each other instead.
>>77711570
>the overall non-Hispanic white homicide rate is still 2.5/100,000
No it isn't; it's like 1.5.
>>77711793
"based on the CDC WONDER data.3 From 2010 through 2012, the annual rate of homicide deaths among non-Hispanic white Americans was 2.5 per 100,000 persons"
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/
That little picture showing an annotated Wikipedia page that always circulates these threads is wrong lel, I'm guessing that was your source.
>>77711570
>homicide rate is still 2.5/100,000 aka still easily the HIGHEST IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD BY FAR
BTFO again, and this is still counting Hispanics as white
>>77710678
it's called white supremacy
>>77711570
America has the most niggers in the developed world and we have 3rd world muds pouring over the border which is why we're becoming more like the 3rd world and you didn't BTFO me, I wasn't gonna start writing a long post when the thread was dying on page 10 you stupid reddifugee.
>>77712053
The stats are there and you can literally do the math yourself nigger.
>website called fivethirtyeight is correct but gov statistics aren't
REAAAAACHHHHHH
>>77712210
I prefer pale privilege & patriarchy because according to IQ & Crime data, East Asians benefit too.
>>77712206
An annotated wikipedia page IS NOT A SOURCE! And note how the page I linked specifically states "non-Hispanic whites". Find a source that isn't an annotated Wikipedia page, then we can talk. Your image also explicityly states it includes Hispanic whites btw you absolute RETARD, making it's conclusion even more hilariously wrong.
If you're not racist yet for some reason, this should do it.. see the result of not suspending black kids from school for fighting
https://twitter.com/ThirtySecFights
(damn, my captcha was pizza and now i'm starving lol)
If a red pilled black went on stage and said
I agree we are violent and mostly in gangs. Now to stop the occasional white and often black homicide. Help us not kill ourselves. All blue states shall have a total gun ban. Will you accept?
>>77711570
>>77712596
He gives you the source right at the bottom, it's the FBI crime stats and basic math.
>>77712693
https://twitter.com/ThirtySecFights/status/742460321864912896
>Ya'll want us to post all white schools acting like animals but there are none being submitted. This speaks volumes
>>77712596
USA Population (2013)
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=USA+population+2013
White *Population 2014
http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/demographics_profile.html
White* Arrests % (Murder) (2013)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
White* Arrests (Murder) (2013)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
BTFO retard, let me know if you don't know the basic math required to adjust the population accordingly then come to the final figure, and i'll walk you through it in crayon
>>77712298
You didn't even read the Wikipedia screenshot, did you? It specifically states it includes non-white Hispanic, yet somehow the rate is 1.55/100,000. It is blatantly false. Please prove me wrong by finding another source; pro-tip, YOU CAN'T. Your entire """"argument"""""" is based on a random Wikipedia screenshot that some spastic has extrapolated demonstrably false """""statistics"""""" from. Is this all you have?
>>77712053
I have no idea where these numbers come from, but it's not correct. According to this FBI page, there were 4396 white homicide offenders in 2013 (that includes hispanics) and at least 1096 of them were Hispanic. So that means there are at most, 3300 white homicide offenders in 2013.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2013.xls
According to the US census, there were 62.1% non-white hispanics in 2014. The total population was 318,857,056 that year, so that means 198,010,231 non hispanic whites that year.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
So doing the math, the homicide rate among whites ends up being 1.7 in this estimate. The true number is likely much lower since there are almost certainly some more hispanics included in those arrests.
>>77712949
>Please prove me wrong
>Can't provide statistics to counter them
Nothing wrong with being embarrassed you can't do the math m8, ask and we'll help
>>77712839
But it's not, obviously he got the """maths"""" wrong. He says he includes non-White Hispanics. Blacks commit around 45% of homicides. Take away 45% from the US' homicide rate (4.8/100,000) and you do not get 1.55/100,000 lel. Proving retards wrong never gets old.
>>77711570
All arguments boil down to race.
That's the truth that the Left cannot face up to.
If you let the niggers secede from the United States , gun crime will plummet by about 80%. And America won't need to change the 2nd amendment.
>>77710678
Gun control: The only time liberals give a shit about white men committing suicide is when they can whitewash black crime as gun violence
>>77713182
I demand you suck my dick
>>77713269
>how do proportions work
wew lad
>>77713269
>Blacks commit around 45% of homicides.
over 50% and they're 13% of the US pop you nigger
>>77710678
It's called abortions.
Unfortunately, as retarded liberals are about grabbing guns, conservatives are about not wanting to kill millions of baby niglets every year
>>77713269
Go to the links listed, use the numbers you find on the FBI websites and then post the equation you use to come to a significantly different number
>>77713563
Here's the paper.
Legalizing abortion has caused the murder rate to drop by over 40%.
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf
>>77713269
>He says he includes non-White Hispanics. Blacks commit around 45% of homicides. Take away 45% from the US' homicide rate (4.8/100,000) and you do not get 1.55/100,000 lel. Proving retards wrong never gets old.
You don't actually understand what per-captia means do you?
>>77713563
White people should be classified as an endangered race and only black/hispanic/arab/asian abortions should be legal.
Not even joking.
>>77713269
>He dosen't know there are other races within the United States beyond whites and blacks
>>77713031
The Department of Justice disagrees with you. It shows that 45% of murders are committed by whites, and with 12,000 murders occurring per year, that is close to double the figure you claimed. The FBI stats you linked are utterly irrelevant, as they record only offenders (quite often multiple people can be charged with a single murder) and 4000 of the 14,000 offenders races aren't even recorded. My DoJ stats are far more accurate and relevant; they also show that a rate of 1.7/100,000 for Whites and Hispanics is impossible.
>>77714121
>2008
That's almost 10 years old
>>77714121
>>77714121
>1980-2008
Come on Straya get it together.
>>77710678
Homicide dropping has alot to do with the advance in medical equipment and our ability to keep most anyone 'alive'. Homicide rate would be 5x higher today if not for that. A typical Chicago weekend is about 66 shoot and 6 killed.
I'm not anti gun, that's just a fact.
>>77714121
>>77714121
>>77710678
What are hispanics counted as?
>>77713243
Please learn to read, see here:>>77712053
Note how my source isn't a random annotated Wikipedia page lel. And is actually corroborated by the data. In order for a 1.55/100,000 rate for Hispanics and Whites to be accurate, 75% of ALL murders would have to be committed by blacks and Asians alone. Whoever made that pic must be laughing pretty hard, he's duped /pol/tards for years now.
>>77714352
Your data is 10 years old
FBI started separating whites and Hispanics in 2014
>>77714352
There are multiple FBI statistics linked in this thread that contradict that article. You can't weasel out of this.
>>77710678
>>77711567
any sources for these charts? i ask not because i doubt but because i know that the first response of doubters will be to go
>citation needed
>>77714178
It actually shows an average from 1980-2008 aka including the crack epidemic. So the numbers for Blacks would be far better now, thanks for bringing that to attention lel. It's somewhat telling that even including the crack epidemic, the numbers are nowhere near what the wikipedia screenshot claims.
>>77714121
Forgot the *
Notice Hispanics are not listed?
Weird isn't it, government grouped Latinos with whites almost as if they're trying to inflate white murder rates...
>>77713839
In the US blacks abort at 4-5x the rate of white people.
Abortion is the strongest force preventing whites from becoming an immediate minority.
In canada Its different though I believe. Since asians and muslims almost never get abortions
>>77711570
I really want to just ignore you on account of the flag, but i'll bite.
Check out statistics of violent crimes -other- than homicide. The numbers are up in almost all relative categories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Violent_crime
and thats just london.
>>77714612
>the number would be far better
Speculation
Meanwhile in reality, we have the numbers:
1.0 for whites
3.2 for Hispanics
10.0 for blacks
This is for the year 2014, published by the FBI, table 43
>>77714678
>>77714352
You really don't understand what per-captia means. This is kinda incredible, I thought Ausland schools were suppose to be pretty good.
>>77714560
No, no there isn't. There's FBI stats that have "unknown" for almost a 3rd of their race date, and don't record murders themselves, but the total number of offenders charged (more than one person can be charged for one murder). Please learn to read.
>>77714900
>FBI stats that have "unknown" for almost a 3rd of their race date
unsolved crimes duh
>>77714900
Unknown means unsolved crimes. You don't know the race of the offender, so you can't assume anything about them.
Actual arrest data is available with no unknown categories. Not surprisingly, blacks are arrested the most for homicide despite being a small portion of the population. You can't fight the facts.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
>>77714900
Also, as of 2015, DOJ separates Hispanics and whites, so you can get the latest data instead of posting 1980 stuff
>>77714678
You do realise that violent crime stats in the UK includes any offence against the person, even something as small as spitting on or pushing someone, whereas violent crime in the US is recorded by the FBI as only aggravated assault, murder, rape and manslaughter aka only crimes that result in death or serious injury.Thus the discrepancy between "violent crime" rates. Did you really think a place with a 4x higher murder rate (The US) is actually less violent?
>>77712220
source for an updated & very similar version of this graph can be found here, page 11 of the pdf.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2221
>>77710678
I got this graph from 4chan, Asian might include curry & kebabs, have no source, just needed something to start a new thread as the old (gun-grabber shill) thread was dying.
>>77714572
only have the source I just posted, making better memes as we speak
>>77714686
Nice source you have there. Oh wait, it doesn't exist, LOL.
>>77710678
More abortions = less niggers = less crimes.
>>77715296
What the fuck are you arguing about?
Pro-gun control? Pro-black people?
>>77714746
Yet their murder rate is still 3x lower than the US, and that's with MORE Black people as a proportion. (there's actually 16% black people in London if you include mixed race, as US stats would.)
>>77710678
>>77715357
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
????
>>77715448
I'm dispelling the ridiculous notion that somehow the UK has more violent crime than the US. If you could read you'd be able to tell that.
>>77715539
You don't need to defend niggers in the process to do that
>>77715453
>16% black people in London if you include mixed race, as US stats would
That's a lie; two or more races is a separate category on US census.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
The city of London is not comparable to the entire US; that's absurd.
>>77715539
Probably because they sweep those under the carpet like those goatfuckers raping children all across albion
>>77714686
Wait, I found it!! Except it says literally the opposite to what you said. It states that 69% of arrests for murders are Whites. What made you think you could lie so blatantly?
>>77715507
nice one, m8
post moar if you have, my memes are stale
GOD DAMN
I always forget how fucking hard crack hit the streets in the Mid 80s - early 90's.
>>77715775
wew lad
Surely you can troll better than that.
>>77715508
????? indeed, seeing as all those charts say is that the vast majority of those arrested for murder are white? Were you hoping I wouldn't open the link or something?
>>77711570
Twelve per cent of London’s men are black. But 54 per cent of the street crimes committed by men in London, along with 46 per cent of the knife crimes and more than half of the gun crimes, are thought by the Metropolitan Police to have been committed by black men.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856404/Police-statistics-shed-fresh-light-on-link-between-crime-and-race.html
Blacks are 5 times more likely to commit violence against the person. Blacks are 4 times ‘more likely’ to commit sexual offences. Blacks are fifteen times ‘more likely’ to commit robbery. Blacks are over six times ‘more likely’ to commit fraud and forgery. Blacks are over twice as likely to commit criminal damage. Black are five times ‘more likely’ to commit drugs offences. In 2007, after a series of murders committed by black people, prime minister Tony Blair attributed them to a distinctive black culture: "the black community (...) need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids. But we won't stop this by pretending it isn't young black kids doing it."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1548329/Blair-Black-community-must-oppose-gangs.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3637720/It-is-time-to-be-honest-about-black-crime.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html
>>77710678
I have an answer. Deport apefricans to their motherland.
>>77716054
well done shitposter, yes well done
HOWEVER
>>77715775
You're not even looking at the murder / manslaughter field you fucking retard
>>77711680
Could you please post it anyway. I want to save the file, but it could be some nonsense that anyone could throw together and label in excel. Thanks.
>>77715974
The retarded Argentinian claimed that that chart showed a non-Hispanic white murder rate of 1.0/100,000, when it does nothing of the sort. The 45% of homicides committed by whites is exactly the figure I've been quoting the whole time from the DoJ stats I posted at the start of the thread lel. So he literally posted stats that repeat what I said. And 45% of 4.8/100,000 most certainly isn't 1.55/100,000 LOL.
>>77716344
Straya that's not how proportions and ratios work. You don't just halve the homicide rate.
>>77716344
>>77716213
(7posts)
>>77716344
(17 posts)
Aussies shitposting up a storm but nigs are still savage
>>77716326
>>77715304
>source for an updated & very similar version of this graph can be found here, page 11 of the pdf.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2221
>>77716213
Are the figures even adjusted for population? If not, whites are 64% of population vs 12% black.
>>77716344
>he thinks you just find 45% of 4.8/100,000 and subtract
H O L Y F U C K
>>77716153
HOWEVER, my initial assertion was that whites had a homicide rate of 2.5/100,000, higher than the rest of the developed world. Retarded burgers and Argentines produced an image of an annotated wiki page claiming a rate for whites and hispanics of 1.55/100,000. The charts they then proceeded to post literally contradicted their own claims, as 45% of 4.8/100,000 is NOT 1.55/100,000, even without adjusting for not including any black people in the population. Thus I win :^).
>>77716577
It's just percent of total arrests. Really makes you think.
>>77716428
Indeed, you have to take out the black population (30 or so million) as we're not counting their crimes, which would make the per 100,000 rate EVEN WORSE. I just try to simplify things for retarded burgers, too much info causes them to melt down.
>>77716650
>as 45% of 4.8/100,000 is NOT 1.55/100,000
Rused by my own flag, unreal
>>77716650
>>77716344
>people are literally still replying to this IP
>>77714121
>Homicide, by race
>White
>Black
They really covered all the bases here.
>>77716774
Okay, I'll take the bait. Let's walk through the math.
Using the FBI numbers, there were 3,807 arrests for whites in 2014. That includes Hispanics, but luckily they include ethnicity numbers as well. 1308 murder arrests were hispanic, so we can safely take that number out of the white population. That makes it a total 2499, non-hispanic white arrests in 2014. Using the census numbers here >>77713031, there were 198,010,231 non-hispanic whites in the US in 2014.
To get the homicide rate among whites, the formula is (2499/198010231)*100,000. That comes out to be 1.26 per 100,000. Perfectly on par with Europe.
>>77711570
The UK has double the US rape rate, assault rate, robbery rate and more car thefts.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime
Our homicide rate is higher because we have roving bands of niggers in 85% black cities that are constantly at war with each other.
>>77716827
Let's to the math, I've just looked it up. Sans black people, there are 277 million people in the US. Sans Black murders, there are roughly 6300 murders per year in the US. 277 million divided by 6300 = 43,000 aka 1 murder per 43,000 people. That equates to a rate of well over 2/100,000, far higher than Australia and London, and indeed any other developed nation in the world.
And you call me the shitposter? I actually provide stats, all you retards provide are memes and non-arguments.
>>77716344
Yes, the homicides are reduced by 50%, but the population is only reduced by 13% if all the blacks are gone. So you have half as many homicides in a population that's 87% that size. That comes out to a murder rate of 1.57, you dumb cunt.
>>77717524
see
>>77717296
kek
>>77717296
3,807 arrests for murders. You realise there are 14,000 murders per year in the US, right? So blacks commit 80%+ of them then? Even though we just established 45% of those arrested for them are white? Please kill yourself.
here's a fresh screenie taken from here: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2221
>>77717822
There are over 14,000 murders per year in the US. White people DO NOT only commit 3000 of them.They are arrested for 45% of them. So his entire premise is false, and is infact, a shitpost. I actually prefer to stick to facts, see here:>>77717524
>>77715775 (the arrest rate for whites is actually 45% though, misread the chart initally, however the 45% figure is what I used for my calculations.)
Your future, whiteboy:
>>77717612
You really are fucking retarded. That would be correct if your current homicide rate was 3/100,000. It's not, it's actually 4.8/100,000. Please, finish elementary school before posting. BTFOing spastics gets old after a while.
>>77717844
In that year, there were 8,230 arrest for murder made.
>>77718242
>White people DO NOT only commit 3000 of them
So you have the statistics on unsolved murders? Share please
>>77718265
Yours
>>77718412
60% of murders are indeed solved, and that is a massive sample size, so we can very accurately extrapolate the figures to encompass the full amount. 45% of those arrested for murder are white. 45% of 14,000 is 6300. The burger who "walked through the stats" was literally pretending the majority of murders that occurred in the US didn't even happen. That's what you call a shit-post.
>>77718412
If anything the unsolved murders are even more skewed towards blacks or hispanics.
>>77718812
I'm not a nigger (look at my other posts) but great bantz dude
>>77718864
In 2014, there were a total of 13897 offenders and 8230 arrests. That means about 40% of murders go unsolved.
>so we can very accurately extrapolate the figures to encompass the full amount. 45% of those arrested for murder are white. 45% of 14,000 is 6300
No you can't. This is an unfounded assumption.
>>77718394
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/murder-topic-page/murdermain_final
"In 2013, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 14,196."
If you go by arrest rate, you're literally pretending that 6000 murders didn't even happen, thus calculating a "murder rate" based on that is ridiculous. It is highly likely that the trends for the 8000 solved murders hold true for the rest however, (for example most political polls only have a sample size of 500-1000, yet they accurately predict elections for a country of 300 million.) Thus, 45% of those 14,000 murders are committed by whites, making my calculations >>77717524
FAR more accurate than the pathetic excuse for maths this burger produced >>77717296
.
>>77718864
>that level of extrapolation
You would have instantly just failed any statistics or math unit beyond high school
If the 40% unsolved followed the same trend warranting the same outcome as the 60% then they wouldn't be unsolved, they are completely different.
Tl;dr your white homicide rate claim is literally you assuming, or shall we say *hoping* that whites are generously represented in unsolved murders
No real stats, :^)
>>77719174
It's literally the best you can do with the stats available. Far better than literally pretending 6000 murders didn't even occur like this spastic lel:>>77717296
>>77719399
I'm calculating a homicide rate based on only what is known (arrests).
>>77719556
No it isn't. You know nothing about those unsolved murders. There is no reason to pretend those are 45% white.
>>77719399
>be statistician
>don't base numbers off actual stats
>extrapolate with margins as high as 40% rate of unknown
SEE GUYS I'M RIGHT
>>77719509
Whereas the 1.55/100,000 "White murder rate", which was the genesis of this whole investigation, is based upon pretending almost 50% of annual murders literally do not occur. My numbers FAR more accurate than that.
>>77719941
>My numbers FAR more accurate than that.
No they aren't. Your numbers are literally making up shit.
>>77710678
Yes they do.
"Ban guns."
It won't work, but it's their answer.
>>77719633
You're calculating a homicide rate based not upon the total murders, but on arrests which constitute only 60% of total murders, then trying to compare it to European rates that include EVERY murder, not just arrests and claiming it looks good for your country (fyi Australia still has a lower rate, even with your retarded """maths skills""" . Hope you realise how retarded you look.
>>77720156
>European rates that include EVERY murder
Do you know that?
Again, when breaking it down by race, I'm only using numbers that are known not making up shit.
>>77712206
>Andorra
>1 homicide victim
how cute is that
>>77720028
Dude, stop trying to save face. You literally calculated a country's murder rate that didn't include 40% of the murders that actually occur in said country, then claimed your "number" proved the US was as safe as Europe. WHAT THE FUCK.
>>77718093
the aussie has no answer to this, he just tries to baffle you with bullshit and it works! But at least you dummies aren't bumping a thread with an anti-gun OP so that's progress
redditors man, we need to get y'all up to speed on meme warfare
bbl if this thread is still up & googling the source for the image in this post:
>>77711567
>>77710678
well since it is declining it will fix itself. Other races will simply stop shooting people before blacks stop, and then after a while that stops too.
>>77720409
>claimed your "number" proved the US was as safe as Europe. WHAT THE FUCK
Nope.
>>77720267
>Only using numbers that are known
We KNOW that there are 6000 more murders than you claimed, yet you didn't think to mention is lel. Then you claimed that your number was representative of an overall murder rate. What we CAN know is that even your """rate""" of 1.2/100,000 is still higher than most Western European countries, and thus we can safely assume that including the other 40% of murders would increase this difference massively. Ergo, the US is still a dangerous shithole, even without any black people.
>>77720422
You realise that pic claims that the white murder rate is 3.4/100,000? That's way higher than even I claimed lel. What do you expect me to say, thanks? It hurts how stupid you are.
>>77720481
>To get the homicide rate among whites, the formula is (2499/198010231)*100,000. That comes out to be 1.26 per 100,000. Perfectly on par with Europe.
Why must you lie? "Perfectly on par with Europe" only if you ignore 40% of total murders LOL.
>>77721072
go to bed, you're drunk/trolling, not going to bother with you
>>77720935
In terms of victims, there are more black victims than white ones. Black people are typically killed by other blacks (93%) and interracial black on white crime is more common than white on black.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_1_murder_victims_by_race_ethnicity_and_sex_2014.xls
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls
Unsolved crimes are mostly black by far. Notice how there are 3021 white victims and under 3000 white offenders. Whites rarely murder; much less outside of their race, so all of the unsolved black victims likely have black offenders.
>>77721255
Nope, I only said the white homicide rate was on par with Europe because it is.
not sure if I ever read this one, hope it's good
>>77721518
Woops, wrong offender table.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2014.xls
>>77721403
Did I trigger you? You're the one trolling, a rate of 3.4/100,000 is literally on par with parts of Africa. And the pic you just posted has no relevance to the discussion at all. Of course blacks offend at a far higher rate than other Americans, that is news to no one. However it is also a fact that WHITE Americans also offend at a far higher rate than EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION. If that 3.4/100,000 figure you provided is to be believed, white Americans murder at a rate over 300% higher than Australians. I deal in facts and figures, you deal in memes.
>>77721875
>WHITE Americans also offend at a far higher rate than EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION.
No evidence to support this claim.
>>77721518
>unsolved crimes are mostly blacks by far
>provides no citation
>White homicide rate is on par with Europe
Only if you calculate the rate pretending 0 of the 6000 unsolved homicides are committed by white people, even then it's still higher than most Western European countries.
You lost, son.
I hate the media but I'm still amazed they put this on guns while ignoring this homo:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643430/Orlando-survivor-admits-trapping-club-goers-inside-escaped-claims-thought-doing-right-thing.html
>>77721875
yes, your shitty argumentation triggers me but not as much as the idiots who take your bait and accept your premises.
I am not going to be disarmed so that the niggers in my country can more easily kill me.
fuck you. faggot.
>>77711570
>Also, the UK has far more generous welfare,
that's because America makes you put in at least a little effort. I know in Idaho if you're on food stamps and work under 30 hours you have to show up to a office once or once every two weeks. And if you miss it you can have them taking away
>>77722098
>>77718093
The linked chart claims a murder rate amongst whites of 3.4/100,000, and it was posted by someone who's arguing against me lel. Not a single other developed nation has a rate over 2/100,000. Personally I think the figure is closer to 2.5/100,000, but seeing as you retards provided me with that figure, I may as well go with it.
>>77722640
i hope you die in your sleep faggot
>>77722467
Not one single fact or refutation in your post there m8, what's wrong? Did getting BTFO so comprehensively impair you already sub-normal brain capacity? Another little fact for you: gun owners in the US are almost 1000x more likely to have their guns stolen by criminals than use said guns to kill a criminal (200,000 annual gun thefts vs 250 justified homicides). So, you're actually helping them kill you, by providing their guns for them lel.
>>77722825
Tfw when statistically I'll live 4 years longer than the average American. I'm also 400% less likely to be murdered, feelsgoodman.jpg.
>>77722961
>250 justified homicides)
You just lost what little credibility you had citing kellerman a "study" with methodology so bad that it was debunked before the ink dried when it was published 30 odd years ago and even kellerman himself retracted it because he knew it was done so bad.
You're openly saying that stuff like gif related which accounts for 99% of defensive gun uses isn't actually using a gun for defense You are quite simply.
A faggoy
The real number is between 150k-350k dgus a year
>>77723403
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_15_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_private_citizen_2008-2012.xls
Nah, I actually use FBI stats. It's up to 300 now though, only around 800x more likely to have your gun stolen lel. Fyi in percentage terms 800x is 80,000%. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
>>77722961
Because I'd rather be talking about the faggot that doomed a whole bunch of other faggots even though that faggot would have lived any way if he just ran and how the faggots in the media are ignoring him and going after guns. I'm ignoring your arguments because you're just shiposting.
A nigger president is not going to disarm me over nigger crime while ignoring muslim terrorism and christian genocide.
Other people can waste their time with your bullshit but i'm not going to. Good night, subhuman scum, get some sleep
>>77723616
>Nah, I actually use FBI stats. It's up to 300 now though, only around 800x more likely to have your gun stolen lel. Fyi in percentage terms 800x is 80,000%. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Again
>Justified homicides
Is not the only way to defend yourself with a firearm
You are literally arguing that that previous gif is not a defensive use of a gun because the clerk didn't blow the guys head off.
Leave out enough of x and exaggerate y and you will get any answer you want in stats
>>77723757
Arseblasted burgers are hilarious. Pic related, it's you.
>>77723925
Funny how the only actually peer reviewed study on Australian gun control showed that it had zero effect on crime and homicide rates.
As well as 95% of the just under 40 studies on gun control that are peer reviewed show the same thing.
>>77723925
whatever nigger, hope they pay well to shill this hard
>>77724132
What do you expect from.someone openly arguing that cases like gif in
>>77723403
Aren't defensive gun uses
>>77722961
>>77723142
Somebody get this hothead out if here.
>>77710678
>gun violence
>uses generic homicide
>>77723801
Please actually read my original post. I said you are many thousands of times more likely to have your gun stolen than use it to kill a criminal. That is entirely true. For a country that has 300 million firearms, they're only used 250-300 times per year to actually kill "bad guys". That's a pretty shit conversion rate, especially when most people's express aim when purchasing a gun is to shoot "bad guys", and there are multiple states where you can shoot even petty thieves with no repercussions under castle doctrine. Literally the way people talk on here, you'd think people would be cooking crims left right and centre. Instead, most gun owners just aid crims, no wonder you have so many black market guns.
>>77714121
Let's not forget.
White people are 65% of the population while black people are 13%.
if 13% of the population is committing almost the same level of crime as 65% of people then there is something wrong.
>>77724080
http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=1502
Oh rlly?
>>77710678
BAN NIGGERS WTF
>>77724462
>I said you are many thousands of times more likely to have your gun stolen than use it to kill a criminal.
A nd killing a criminal isn't the only way to defend yourself it isn't just. Non point you're making it is lying through omission
What is the crime statistics on Canada guys?
I can't really find a good resource to find this. American government data are so easy to find.
>>77724080
>http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=1502
"From 1996 to 2003, the total number of gun deaths each year fell from 521 to 289, suggesting that the removal of more than 700,000 guns was associated with a faster declining rate of gun suicide and gun homicide," said Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers, also from the School of Public Health at the University of Sydney. "This was a milestone public health and safety issue, driven by an overwhelming swing in public opinion, and promptly delivered by governments."
LOL
>>77711570
You dumbass.
The black here were and are treated different that the blacks in London.
>>77711034
Ja Rule
>>77724596
Yes really
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths
>>77724080
"the decline in overall gun deaths accelerated to twice the rate seen before the new gun laws," says study lead author, Professor Simon Chapman."
LOLOL
>>77710678
how manypolitical parties does the US have in office? is it really only two?
>>77724736
>From 1996 to 2003, the total number of gun deaths each year
Biased methodology anon
>>77723757
>the faggot that doomed a whole bunch of other faggots even though that faggot would have lived any way if he just ran
It's amazing to me that nothing happened to that guy. Instead of thinking of his own safety he instead chose to hang around a dangerous situation just to keep others from escaping.
I think deep down all fags want all fags to die. Like they realize that they are an abomination and are so wrapped in self hatred that they want to die. Because they are frilly cowards though, they instead choose to endanger the lives of all other gays.
I think this self hatred and wish for death is behind their disgusting bug chasing/gifting behavior and their promiscuity which goes far beyond being just an addiction to sex.
I think that fag wanted those other fags to die and I think deep down they all kind of feel that way to some extent.
>>77724829
That is just false based on raw data
>>77724949
>>77724949
>if there's less x, there'll be less death by x
who would have though
>>77724704
Don't pretend that the ability to kill intruders, mass shooters and other assorted criminals isn't trotted out as the primary reason to own guns in America at every opportunity. Indeed, the poster I was originally responding to was butthurt and said something along the lines of "at least I have my guns so I can kill niggers who break into my house". I was merely demonstrating was several thousand times more likely to end up having said "niggers" steal his guns, than he was to kill them.
>>77724828
That's literally an opinion piece. Not a peer reviewed study. Get the fuck out of here you spastic.
>>77724596
Riding a preexisting decline in homicide is not the same as decreasing homicide. The fact that researchers are looking into gun deaths instead of homicide is itself a subtle admission that the Australian NFA had no measurable effect on homicide.
>>77725187
>Don't pretend that the ability to kill intruders, mass shooters and other assorted criminals isn't trotted out as the primary reason to own guns in America at every opportunity
It is actually to defend against.
Which again doesn't require killing.
Tell me how that gif which represents 99% of dgus isn't actually defense with a firearm
>>77724949
In the 8 years to 96, the rate went down from 674 to 516 aka like 20%. From 96 to 04 they literally halved. You're retarded and you should feel bad, the methodology was perfect.
>>77724829
>Gun deaths
>>77725305
>That's literally an opinion piece
The study is linked the article merely summarize it retard
>>77711570
yeah, I will have to see that data on London,
BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT LONDON NIGGERS are a different breed than US NIGGERS?
>>77725524
See>>77725466
You're literally putting the cause after the effect and claiming it did something
>>77710678
worth pointing out, that "white" likely includes non-black hispanics
Trying to ban guns just makes us want them more and also notice who be doing the shooting, ma nigga.
Obama has fucked himself unless the cucks cave which is a concern
>>77725016
it's a total redpill on faggots b/c you have to realize how self-obsessed and cowardly they are
I don't know if they're consciously chasing death, I think it's more porn + drugs + isolation + internet = furries, bugchasers, trannies, etc
Louie_B3 on twitter, disgusting excuse of a human being, I've searched his name, he gets some abuse but not much considering
>>77725466
It continued a trend that the US could not. In the 90s, US homicides halved from over 10 to 5/100,000. Since 2000, they've dropped to a staggering low 4.5/100,000, almost as low as Mozambique! Australia's kept declining at the same rate, wayyy after the US started to stagnate. If it were not for the laws, it is incredibly likely that the trend downwards would have stopped, just like the US. The 90s, were a time of massive crime drops globally, and could not be expected to be maintained long term. Except we did manage to, and the US haven't. Hmmmmm.
>>77725549
God I'm sick of living next to a third world nation full of savage retards. Mexico, with their 88 average IQ is barely 5 points ahead of some of the most inbred arab countries in the world. That means they're that fucking dumb without having inbred themselves into retardation (as the arabs have).
They're dumb, violent, entitled, demanding, coked out of their gords and they are the worst fucking neighbors to ever exist. We should be allowed to nuke them for the well being of the planet.
>>77710678
Since the Supreme Court ruling on the 2nd Amendment in the 90's, gun ownership has increased.
Unless the Supreme Court reverses its own interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, nothing will change.
I'll keep my legal guns and my open carry laws tyvm.
>>77711570
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics
Black Population aged 10 and over (2009) 2.7%
Black Prison population (including foreign nationals) 13.7%
RACE FACTOR = 5 to 1
> MUH LONDON NIGGERS LOW CRIME RATE
>>77726079
You could find evidence in favor of any policy if you only compare two data points.
>>77725853
It literally doubled the decline that existed in the 8 years prior. You little NRA meme only contains selectively-chosen data up to 2000, aka before the full effects of the new licensing and storage requirements were felt. The decline after that has been far more dramatic, especially in the wake of the 2002 handgun laws.
Is 300 BLK over-rated? I really like the idea of a shorter barrel and noise suppression in a home defense situation.
>>77711570
>correlation=causation
O-ok trollypop
>>77711570
>Guns cause violence
>Objects influence behavior
Wew
>>77726785
Multiple studies found no causal link between the Australian NFA and the continued decline in homicide which is why researchers are currently looking into gun deaths to keep receiving grant money.
>>77726785
>It literally doubled the decline that existed in the 8 years prior
And you're literally lying with the raw data right in front of you
>>77726785
>S-stupid A-Americans, it's not possible that I gave up my freedom and got nothing in return!
It's ironic that your country still treats you all the same way we treat convicts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs&ab_channel=StefanMolyneux
>>77712943
Very noice work Ausbro. I haven't seen anyone so thoroughly BTFO on /pol/ in months. I'm crying from laughing at that faggot so hard.
>>77710989
People of palor*
>>77728003
around minute 12
>before 2014, hispanics were grouped with whites
murder rate for niggers seems low compared to
>>77718093
>>77728232
not bad, people of paleness works too
>>77710678
Black incarceration goes up, gun violence goes down -- absolutely no one could have predicted this!!!
>>77710678
Lines up exactly with the introduction of the 1994 crime bill where clinton decided to lock up all the niggers.
Fuck Stefan mollynukes.
Dude is dangerous and unhinged and a white supremacist.
Everything he has ever said is a lie.
>>77729996
rally mkes u thonk eh?
>>77730319
Stefan is our white brother. Take a hike kike.
fresh, low-effort OC
>>77726785
Bullfrogs are actively reducing murder/manslaugher in Australia.
>>77710678
That graph is misleading in that black crime is underrepresented.
>>77731112
i know it's a shitty graph, I had to start a new thread and had used up my good memes
>>77718093
this is my go-to meme now, taco is counted with white but it's simple, easy to verify and when they try to jew you down with endless bullshit, I just niggers=crime, I'm not letting you justify making it easier for them to kill me
>>77724815
MO MURRRRDAA
>>77724815
I blame 50 Cent.
>>77710678
Asians have the highest rate?
>>77710678
So basically the crime bill of 1996 was a good start but wasn't enough.
>>77711570
African Americans are not the same as black Britfags.
better meme, now with source link in the meme!
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2221
comments welcome
>>77711570
UK NIGGAS BE SOFT AS FUCK THAT'S WHY YOU FAGUETTE
>>77733145
Just saying these arguments will only hurt the gun rights debate.
>>77711570
>Comparing my glorious United States to your brown worshiping tyrannical province of the European Union
Ha
Ha
>>77733595
if you want to ignore race, you can watch NRA News.
I think it's really important that whites know that gun control is anti-white, 4chan is one of the few places I can inform them of that
shitlibs already think gun owners are all racist & would happily see all whites die tomorrow, why bother ingratiating yourself to them? granting them moral authority?
>>77734308
>I think it's really important that whites know that gun control is anti-white, 4chan is one of the few places I can inform them of that
That doesn't really matter.
Especially when this viewpoint is wrong.
Real life isn't Tumblr and the full retard antigunners are very few
The silent on the fence majority is huge and is what needs convincing.
We don't need race arguments to win no matter if they're true or not will only give leftist more ammo
>>77714352
>>77713243
>>77712949
That's victimization you retard, not the race of the offender but the victim. 2.5/100000 whites are the VICTIM of homicides
If you do the math yourself using FBI crime statistics the non-hispanic white homicide rate is about 1.3/100,000. For reference, Canada is 1.4, France is 1.2, Australia and the UK are 1.0.
>>77734863
anything whites do to prevent their genocide is called racist, arming themselves is just one aspect
I did ask for feedback but I'm not going to stop sticking up for my people because it will be used against me
whatever dude, muslim terror is blamed on white gun owners because the shitlibs don't fear us. I say we punch people in the face when they talk anti-white or gun-grabber shit IRL
make them fear us like they fear muslims
>>77710678
Asians had a higher gun murder rate than blacks in 1993? Graph not credible unfortunately.
>>77736206
bad graph but you still read it wrong Asian (which might include kebab) murder is just the purple bit (it's like layers of a cake: sweet & sour frosting)
brb, don't let my thread die plz
thanks for the molymeme screenshots mate
>>77735882
>anything whites do to prevent their genocide is called racist, arming themselves is just one aspect
Again you're spending waaaaaaay to much time on this website bro
The average person that can go either way isn't some full retard Tumblr moron
Bringing up race based arguments in any form will only allow the lefts lies regarding gun control be accepted as truth because "racism".
It is directly falling into their trap card and it is entirely avoidable.
>>77738120
I haven't been spending much time on this website at all, it's full of fucking redditors
>>77738042
yw m8
>>77711570
And what was London's homicide rate before stricter gun control? Protip: It was very low, just like now.
You're comparing apples to oranges. An apples to apples comparison would be comparing the same country, the same demographics, etc. And it's pretty clear there are a ton of other factors at play considering homicide rate has dropped significantly in the US over the last few decades despite the fact that gun laws are becoming more lax (shall-issue and permitless concealed carry becoming more common, for example) and there being more guns in the country than ever before.
>>77711567
>black females almost as likely as white males to shoot someone
>>77738120
is it good for whites to become a hated minority in every country in which they live?
ignore appealing to normies for a sec & explain why i shouldn't be concerned, if you don't mind
why can't i be a zionist but for white people?
are you anti-trans-semitic?
big black cock.
>>77739991
lol
>>77739927
they're not like us
https://twitter.com/ThirtySecFights
>>77729813
source?
I love how when shitlibs go off on the NRA, it sounds like they're explaining Jewish influence on America
>shadowy group, all they crave is money & power & they don't care who dies
Gonna go outside, will check in later, cya faggots
>>77741437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90kmUbEv7c
