Daily reminder none of you belong to a organized militia unless you are a member of the National Guard.
Also btfo or whatever. Can't wait for pol tears when we impose scary legislation to restrict the sale of 15's. Oooga Booga.
>>77704664
Bernie lost and your salty post won't change that.
>>77704664
>Daily reminder none of you belong to a organized militia unless you are a member of the National Guard.
The organizations we use to protect ourselves from government tyranny are run by the government!
And if we try to organize militias outside of the government-sanctioned ones, we get vanned by the ATF!
Yay freedom!
>>77704664
Isn't the AR15 essentially just a semi automatic m16? Doesn't that make it specifically for civilians?
>>77704720
FPBP
>>77704664
You know the Militia Act still makes every able-bodied male part of the Reserve Militia, right?
>>77704664
Who gives a shit what his butthurt kids think?
>>77704664
>Terrorists care about the law
Yeah, sure.
doesn't matter what the intention was from the creator of the rifle, the constitution guarantees the right for every America citizen to own one.
>>77704664
>Daily reminder none of you belong to a organized militia unless you are a member of the National Guard.
stop forcing this meme
>>77704768
The Militia Act of 1903 was benchmark legislation that repealed the antiquated Militia Act of 1792 and converted the volunteer militia into the National Guard. In simplest terms, Guard units received increased funding and equipment, and in return, they were to conform to federal standards for training and organization within five years. The law recognized two classes of militia; the Organized Militia (National Guard) under joint federal-State control and the Reserve Militia, the mass of18-45 yearold males otherwise available for military service.
Reserve militia is also referred to as the "unorganized militia" and as such not immune to gun control legislation.
:)
>>77704664
If you own a gun you are part of a militia.
>>77704664
>>77705078
Translation:
>"I'm a huge fucking faggot please rape my face!"
>>77704818
yes but you cant speak logic to liberals.
>>77704664
Jokes on you, I already own 2. Come try and take them.
>>77704664
>The creator of latex wanted it to be used for dominatrix sex
>Einstein wanted his equations used to be the basis for the atomic bomb
>The inventor of glass wanted you to wear a couple lenses in front of your face to see better
Nothing in the Dick Act or any other item of U.S. legislation states that all members of the unorganized militia have an "absolute personal right to keep and bear arms of any type." The term "unorganized militia" simply refers to a subset of private individuals (i.e., men between the ages of 17 and 45 who are not part of the National Guard or the Naval Militia), and those persons are subject to the same legislative limitations on firearm ownership and possession as any other private individuals. The existence and enforcement of modern laws limiting the ownership of certain types of firearms isprima facieevidence that those laws have not been "invalidated" by a piece of legislation enacted back in 1903. (And even if such a claim were true, then the unfettered right to keep and bear arms would not apply to men over the age of 45 or to any women, as neither of those groups falls within the legal definition of "unorganized militia.")
>>77704664
I don't know how anyone could think the Attack Rifle 15 Rounds Per Second could be meant for civies... should be in the hands of trained professionals like myself ONLY. Otherwise we have these tragedies
>>77704664
On the other hand, Bernie lost, so that's good news.
>>77704664
>SAGE
This beaner keeps shitposting this thread
>>77704664
>take m16
>remove automatic mode
>muh it was never my intention
>>77704664
Why? Self made militias brought together by pure hate would be much more effective than weekend warriors
That entire story is bullshit.
>Eugene Stoner invents AR-10 using 7.62 NATO in the mid-1950s
>Army doesn't want it
>Fairchild designer Jim Sullivan takes AR-10 and scales down the design to use 5.56 NATO
>This become the AR-15
>Begins selling select fire versions to law enforcement while still trying to sell it to militaries
>Money troubles, ArmaLite sells rifle to Colt
>Colt begins selling semi-automatic AR-15 to civilians in 1963
>US military adopts M16 in 1964, becoming the standard issue rifle in 1969
>Eugene Stoner dies in 1997, having lived to see his rifle in the hands of civilians and see a few misuse it (and other firearms) in mass shootings
>>77704664
>>77705001
"It has historically been used to describe all able-bodied men who are not members of the Army or Navy"
I'm signed up for Selective Service.
I'm forced to sign up for Selective Service in order to vote.
By definition, I AM in a militia.
>>77704664
I don't want to be the grammar nazi, but...
>a organized
>>77704664
Fun fact: The AR 15 is illegal for use in deer hunting in many jurisdictions because it does not have enough power to reliably bring down something the size of a deer.
>>77705167
The preferred term is "boot-licker".
Don't worry, the real soldiers aren't as loyal to their masters as the Guard faggots.
>>77704664
>the National Guard
the national guard isn't a militia
>>77705343
No, you are not part of any active militia. Please read the thread
>>77705356
Source?
>>77705343
bingo
>>77704664
The inventor has absolutely no say whatsoever when it comes to the 2nd amendment and what civilians can and cant own.
This is the most ridiculous appeal to authority that I've ever seen.
To begin with, spending any time on this issue is bloody stupid when you look at the big picture.
>>77704664
>it was never for civilians
Then why isn't it select fire?
SHALL
>>77705394
I can be called upon to serve at any time.
I cannot decline such a call.
That is the definition of a militia.
Please read a dictionary.
>>77704664
The word is well-regulated which means an upstanding citizen. And militias are often ad hoc.
>>77704664
>>77704664
>militia means the national guard branch of the official US armed forces
lel, what a stupendous lack of knowledge on what a militia is. Protip: militias are civilian-organized. Not part of the professional armed forces. The national guard is not a militia.
nigger nigging in a negro thread
>>77705239
>Nothing in the Dick Act or any other item of U.S. legislation states that all members of the unorganized militia have an "absolute personal right to keep and bear arms of any type."
Why the fuck would a piece of federal legislation need to contain a verbatim copy of the Second Amendment? To refute an idiotic argument some cuck makes a century later?
We need control for black people.
>>77704664
>you dont belong in the opposition forces if you are not a part of the goverment.
liberal logic.
if a snow jew on the ass end of the world knows your constitution better than these mouthbreathers you guys need to take away their voting rights.
vote trump.
>>77705510
Two distinct classes of militia senpai. If you are only a reserve you have no inalienable rights to own any firearm of any kind. Sorry senpai.
>>77704664
Yet he had no problem selling them to civilians after the military turned his origonal design down, dumbass. He sold them to fucking sears.
>>77705672
Lmao sorry senpai you can be mad all you want, law is the law jeb
>>77705602
According to the NYT 73% of mass shootings are done by black males.
>>77705395
State hunting laws, dumbass. Look them up. AR-15's are almost exclusively used in coyote, varmint and hog hunting. The round used is not big enough and does not have enough velocity to use against deer. That's why you use .308 during rifle season or deer slugs during shotgun season.
>>77705841
Yes, the Constitution is law. I'm sorry that you thought you had a point.
>>77704664
Didn't know you had more legal knowledge on the subject than the supreme court that decided repeatedly that you are wrong.
>>77704818
the AR15 was the step before the M16
>>77705748
The Bill of Rights do not grant rights. They reaffirm them. They come from God (Or whatever creator you believe in) and are beyond any government on this Earth.
Every free person is guaranteed certain rights from birth, and if the country they live in tries to suppress those rights then those people are justified in installing a government that will not infringe on them.
The people are the militia. The citizenry. Not some government-controlled entity.
>>77704664
>none of you belong to a organized militia unless you are a member of the National Guard.
Good bait but the Supreme Court disagrees. :^)
>inventors family
Oh so it wasn't the inventor himself? Who the fuck cares what they think?
>>77706012
You have no idea what you are talking about
>>77705672
Additionally, the phrasing used in the second amendment implies it's a fundamental human right to bear arms. The second amendment is there just to say this intrinsic right won't be infringed.
>>77704664
>1993
>National Guard incinerates American children in Waco because Lord Clinton sez so
>1970
>SJWs just being idiot SJWs get shot at Kent State because the national guard is a bunch of half-trained retards, they become SJW martyrs and fuck up our plan in Vietnam
>1957
>Schools can't be segregated even though its permitted in state law, and the people and their representatives don't want it because Supreme Commander Ike sez so
>"join the National Guard, true defenders of the people!"
They're what gets sent in when the police can't do their jobs or the people tell the feds to fuck off, so the government's just like "fuck it martial law!".
God the National Guard suck so much.
>>77705748
The right of the PEOPLE...
>>77704664
And Bill Ruger never intended for his firearms to exceed 10 round capacity
After that faggot dropped dead they released BX25 magazines for the 10/22
SAGED
HIDDEN
STARVE THE SHILLS OUT
STOP REPLYING
>>77704664
well its a good thing that faggot ass family didn't make the MCX
>>77705973
"I don't know what clarifications are" the Constitution just like every legal document is continously being interpreted due to poor language used by the founding fathers.
Try getting an education and you might learn about our legislative processes.
>>77706182
God bless their souls.
>>77704664
>national guard
>militia
Pick one
>>77705356
It does if you can shoot worth a shit.
>>77704664
daily reminder that no one gives a single shit about your opinion, stick it up your arse!
Does anyone have the scatter plots with gun ownership vs homicide compared with black population vs homicide?
>>77704664
How many times has the estate of an individual said something that might be at odds with the person after they died?
Shall not be infringed.
>>77706026
Where, in any religious doctrine, does it say civilians are allowed to have guns?
Checkmate,
Atheist
>>77705297
didnt he at some point fund a company that made/sold the ar15?
Everyone on pol is basically a high school student or the mentality. Why would you expect them to understand complex issues like gun control
>>77705958
I don't think that's the reasoning behind them being illegal for deer hunting.
They're illegal because using an AR15 to hunt deer is unsportsmanlike and results in meat that probably won't even be usable (i.e. they're outlawing killing just for the sake of killing).
>>77704664
Why should any citizen be able to own an ASSAULT RIFLE 15???
>>77706257
>i don't understand simple English
>therefore the second amendment doesn't say what it actually says
Kill yourself, retard.
>>77706476
>gun control
>complex
It's very simple.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
>>77706476
Not an argument
>>77706182
Bill Ruger was good designer, but foolishly made "compromises" with Congress to try to save his ass. His kids realized their dad fucked up and once they controlled the company started undoing that image of being clueless Fudds.
This is the opposite where Eugene Stoner (Even if he didn't entirely make the AR-15, as I explained earlier) did a fine job, but his kids are being asshats. Dead men can no longer speak. Unless he left a written or recorded message detailing his beliefs, they are just projecting their own politics onto a corpse.
>>77706495
FUN FACT: THE 15 MEANS 15 ROUNDS PER SECOND
ABSOLUTELY DEADLY
>>77706514
If I had an image of straws on my phone I'd use it now. Keep grasping homie hoping scary gun control laws won't get passed.
Lmaooooooo
>>77704664
out of my cold dead hands faggot
>>77706481
I don't think you should talk when you have no clue what you're talking about.
An AR-15 creates a hole the diameter of an icepick. It doesn't make the meat "unusable" or create a hamburger.
>>77706632
LOL ok Jeb. The govt isn't coming to take your guns away just restrict access. Surely you aren't that retarded
So liberals want organized militias now?
>>77706257
You are right, this should fix a small part of your greater stupidity. English is hard....
>>77705244
Here you go, faggot. This should be worth about as much as one of your dollars by the time Trudeau gets out of office.
>>77706707
the ar-15 is banned for hunting in some places because a .223 is fucking inhumane to hunt large animals with
at least go .308 or larger, christ
>>77706143
>>77704664
> it was never for civilians
It literally was. The ar15 predates the m16 and any military applications
>>77706613
Damn it, my ak-47 must be broken.
>>77706863
In America we hunt deer, not kangaroos and drop bears.
Every deer I've ever shot with my AR has gone down. No deer is going to get very far with a bullet in their heart or lungs, and using a bigger bullet won't make up for you being a shitty shot.
>>77704664
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force
>>77704664
>> AR-15 Inventor's Family: It was Never for Civilians
>> AR-15 Inventor's Family:
>> Inventor's Family
Sure bud
>>77706431
Just glancing at his Wikipedia page says he worked for/ was involved with: Fairchild (ArmaLite), Colt (Where he designed the Stoner 63), TRW helped found ARES, and then finally Knights Armament.
Those companies sold AR pattern rifles to military, law enforcement, and civilians. Stoner fully knew who was getting his rifles and there's no record of ever disagreeing with it..
>>77707110
>Every deer I've ever shot with my AR has gone down.
I hope you're an extremely good shot, because otherwise if it somehow gets away, a .223 is going to cause it massive amounts of pain until it eventually collapses after 12 hours or so.
Just bring a shotgun to it or something.
>>77707109
Ah, the Assault-Killer 47 rounds per minute... a little outdated, sure.. but still a reliable killing machine.
>>77705293
No anon
> take ar15
> add auto fire
> sell to army
>>77704664
>Daily reminder none of you belong to a organized militia unless you are a member of the National Guard.
And?
>>77704664
DC v Heller (2008)
Educate yourself.
>>77704818
Origonal ar-15 was full auto. It failed testing and the military demanded about 130 changes made and the subsequent rifle to meet those demands became the m-16. Later changes of the design to meet changing laws became the civilian ar-15 we now have.
Militia act of 1903 - we are actually all part of the militia.
>>77704664
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
The law says otherwise, that all men 17-45 are in a militia.
>>77705244
I read it in his voice.
I'm beginning to not care about all of this. Let them ban the sale of AR-15s. The people who will defend their country when the time comes already own AR-15s or weapons appropriate for such an endeavor.
When the 'paranoid delusions' become reality, these morons will be the ones stuck with their dicks in hand languishing in FEMA camps.
>>77704664
Doesn't the Constitution state that any able bodied American citizen is already past of the militia?
Stop twisting your country's Constitution Americuck
>>77707258
I need to get my CZ455 worked on then.
>>77707212
Why are you lecturing me on how to hunt when you've never hunted in your life?
ANY bullet that doesn't hit a vital area is going to have that effect. Using a big bullet can't make up for you being a crappy shot.
There are some game animals that have bones, hide, muscle and fat so thick that a .223 wouldn't be able to consistently penetrate into their heart or lungs. A whitetail deer isn't one of them.
>>77704664
>a civilian variant of a military rifle wasnt meant for civilians
>>77705061
>doesn't matter what the intention was from the creator of the rifle, the constitution guarantees the right for every America citizen to own one.
It's also a lie, because the people claiming 'it was never his intention' got rich of of Armalite selling the AR15 to civilian markets since BEFORE the US militairy adopted it..
If Stoner really didn't want his gun to be sold to civilians, he shouldn't have fucking sold them to civilians. But he did. Leaving the people that delivered this quote VERY well off, I might add..
>>77704664
No need to be in an organized militia retard
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
I, too, can't believe Bernie lost
>>77704664
>inventor's family
>"my wife's son" of legacy
>>77704664
The right belongs to people, not militia. And anyway a militia is a group of citizens coming together to defend their community. Well organized implies they don't need the gov't for food/supplies.
>>77704664
>Daily reminder none of you belong to a organized militia unless you are a member of the National Guard.
Except the Supreme Court has already ruled multiple times that all able bodied men of 17+ are part of their state militia
fuck off faggot
>>77704664
>Inventor's family
What the fuck do they know?
They were probably paid by the Obama administration to make this statement.
>>77595759
>not using sage when replying to this low energy bait
>>77704664
AR-15 is a modular rifle. The only thing that makes it different from any other rifle is that it can be adapted to any caliber, including a small ass 22 pea shooter. Why the fuck are liberals so obsessed with this
A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
>>77704664
>we impose scary legislation to restrict the sale of 15's
And it does absolutely nothing to stop crime, just like the last awb?
>>77707734
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
>>77707825
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
Sage goes in all fields, faggot.
>>77704664
Who cares what Eugene Stoners' family says.
The Founding Fathers of our Country expected every man to be a killing machine. On the Seas, It was Privateers who helped win the war. Any man with enough money could buy a battleship with cannons and tons of guns and basically go pirate on Brittish ships...
Badass!!!!!
>>77707887
These are beautiful.
>>77704664
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/12120761/Poland-to-establish-46000-strong-national-guard-in-the-face-of-war-in-eastern-Ukraine.html
The plan worked fine and since then no western media talks about our new shiny national defence. All they do is bitch how we are worse than Hitler.
>>77707887
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789
"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788
>>77704664
>Inventor died a long time ago
>family speaking for dead person with their own agenda
Really makes you... question whether or not they want to disarm the US?
>>77708079
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
>>77706772
Most liberals have never shot with a gun. If they would, they'd feel very differently about them. I like to shoot guns, but I still think people who are "open carrying" are weirdoes
>>77708455
>>77708322
This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England,
1803
>>77708269
funny how when the man was alive we never heard such views
>>77707454
The Cop Zapper 455-rounds-per-fifteen-minutes is a fucking killing machine
>>77707154
>family
it was his hippy daughter who said it
>>77707316
>people say the AR-15 is "military grade"
>the army had 130 reasons to not use it
Kek
Even Norway got some sort of militia, but your argument is still shit because you can't spot the comma in the 2A
>>77705297
It's very hilarious when you consider Eugene Stoner made the ar system for a hunting rifle
https://www.google.com/patents/US2951424
and that the deadly tumbling 5.56 round was made without any ballistics in mind at all just an attempt to make full automatic more controllable (which failed by the way, even the m16 is not fully controllable which is why we moved to burst fire)
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2434
http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/M14_RHAD_Online_Edition_061010.pdf
>TLDR this statement is factually bullshit, stoner not only made the system for civilians first, but also in a much larger more damaging caliber.
>>77704664
If the national guard didn't exist until over a century after the 2nd was written, which people and militias were the founders referring to, I wonder?
Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution states that Congress has the following power:
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
A letter of marque is a kind of a naval hunting license. It allows a private citizen to fight on behalf of the government in wartime, stopping and capturing enemy vessels on the high seas. This is called privateering. In order to wage war at sea the said private citizen would have to have a warship. That would be something like the frigate in the picture, a ship armed with cannon.
Since one cannot be a privateer without a warship, the fact that this is in the Constitution demonstrates that it's authors fully expected armed warships to be in private ownership. A warship was basically the WMD of it's day, the most destructive weapon in existence. A ship's battery could level a coastal city.
If the family believes the sale of these weapons are immoral or unethical, and is also in conflict with the father's wishes, I offer that they make amends by donating any money made from civilian sales to charities and relief efforts.
>>77709788
The Brown Bess muskets used by both sides fires a .75 caliber round. Today anything over .50 is restricted by the government as a destructive device.
-Cannons (Weapons of the American Revolution) were legal to own. There are some notable private artillery organizations still in existence today. Many early naval vessels were also privately-owned and were outfitted with cannons.
-Swivel guns were smaller cannons with fixed mounts that could be quickly aimed in any direction. They were more efficient with multiple crew members, but this time period marked the beginning of when they could be effectively manned by a single person.
-Mortars were indirect fire weapons. Smaller mortars were sometimes used as grenade launchers.
-The ammunition for cannons and similar heavy weapons was not limited to large solid metal balls. There were exploding cannon balls, case shot, grape shot, bar shot (two balls chained together), and even hot shot (when the metal projectile was made red-hot just prior to loading in order to set structures on fire).
-Hand grenades. Though not as prevalent as in later periods, yeah we had hand grenades then.
-The Puckle gun was the first known revolving cannon. It fired a 32mm round, had a 11-round revolving cylinder, and was invented in 1718. It never saw mass production but demonstrations were performed and it was covered by the newspapers. What killed it was the fact that the parts for it could not be easily produced at that time.
-The Girandoni Air Rifle fired a .46 caliber projectile and had a 20-round magazine. It was invented in 1779 and was used by the Lewis and Clark expedition.
-The Belton flintlock was offered to Congress in 1777. It was capable of firing up to either sixteen or twenty rounds within either sixteen, ten, or five seconds. There are no known surviving examples but it was believed to function similar to a roman candle. Congress wanted a slower rate of fire but balked when they learned how much it would cost
>>77704664
The design was modified from the original to make it acceptable for the civilian market, today's civilian AR15 is not designed to be a weapon of war. In fact it was redesigned to not be a weapon of war. The military rifles have very different internal components which function in a completely different way from the civilian variant. But I wouldn't expect an anti gun liberal to know that.
>>77704818
Liberals see the "AR" part of AR-15 and they immediately think it's short for "assualt rifle" or "automatic rifle". It doesn't. It stands for "ArmaLite Rifle". When they see "semi-automatic", they immediately focus on the "automatic" part and scream "Oh my god! So, you can just hold the trigger down and spray 500 bullets anywhere you want with ease!"
For a bunch of faggots who always boast about smart and educated they are, they sure don't do any research on their own.
>>77706481
You are handsomely retarded.
>>77708517
Them prices.
Militia is civilians
btfo in three words who wants some coffee ice cream this is the smoothest treat ever
>>77704664
Daily reminder that he fucking sold it to Colt and his opinion is invalid.
Also I can't fucking find these anywhere after Orlando, I live in Palm Beach. Went to a gun store today that told me they've sold nearly 2,000 since the shooting. Keep crying, and they'll keep selling like crazy.
>>77707379
If you bring this up then people will start crying for you to turn in your guns on your 46th b-day. I am pro gun
>>77706143
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. The national guard is literally the fucking army. Ownership and command is just shared with the states.
The national guard is 1/2 the infantry force of the entire army, and a decent chunk of it's light artillery. Entire units that never provide disaster relief and get deployrd to combat.
The national guard branch also has Armor, fighter wings, drone wings, special forces units ffs
For all intents and purposes it's what the Army Reserve wants to be but cant because the army reserve doesnt have combat units, has dickall for posts whereas the nat guard has posts EVERYWHERE
>>77711414
>Sig Sauer
>Eckernförde
oh shit
i suppose that means another 1mil niggers for us as reparation
>>77706863
AR 15 come in different calibers. including 308.
>>77708517
What vintage catalog is this? I love buying these old "I wish" books.
![Old-Come-and-Take-It[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/niIF8j2.gif "Old-Come-and-Take-It[1].gif")
>>77711847
From 17 - 45 you have them.
On your 46th birthday you put up a flag of pic related in your yard. I'd say there's enough gun owning 45+ year olds that it'd instill a perpetual patriot revolutionary machine.
>>77704664
Actually my state makes, by defacto law, any male age 18 to 50 militia members.
So yes....actually...I am militia.
What now faggot?
>The media the past couple days
>>77712244
is that a telescope?
The shooter didn't us an AR15 thought.
>>77712495
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it
>>77705836
It's like the creator of k-cups he complains it's bad for the environment. Yet he still got rich off of it.
>>77711414
not as sexy as the 516 though
How many deaths were from the handgun? How many death were from the Rifle?
when will we know this?
>>77712725
How many deaths were there from trampling?
>>77704664
I'm in the Reserves, so if I show my mil ID does that mean I should be able to buy an AR in your book?
You're probably answering "no" because what you really want is to grab every citizen's guns, bootlicker.
>>77707722
It's popular. They always attack the center. AR's are basically the beating heart of the american gun culture. It's the one rifle that has a growing demographic of owners. It's the exact same reason Obunga had holder illegally snuff out 7n6 importation and he tried to get rid of M855. It's purely to reduce proliferation. AR's are increasing the number of new gun owners. Before the AWB sunset-ed the number of owners was going down and the demographics were stagnating. They don't give a flying fuck about our safety. They want a monopoly on the right to violence .I.E tyranny. Gun owners tend to defend their own property both legislatively and physically. The more of them there are the harder it is to take them. It's not about reducing attacks they need those to justify the police state. It's all about getting rid of the law abiding gun owners that can vote against their bullshit.
>>77705395
If you only had a giant database of easily searchable information.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+i+hunt+deer+with+ar15
>>77710381
Fucking this. I had to unfollow a particularly dumb yet loud liberal recently, because she was arguing with progunz and it kept showing up on my fb feed. Shortly after posting "It's my argument, I think I know what the fuck I'm talking about", she then posted the question "if assault weapons isn't a real term, what the fuck do you think the A in AR-15 stands for?"
Side note: someone recently doxxed her on /b/. I felt a little sorry for her. less sorry when I read that bullshit
>>77713385
>guns will save us!
how's that working out for you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Armed_standoffs_in_the_United_States
>>77713930
cucks still don't understand that tyrants hate an armed populace
>>77706252
>MCX
Daily reminder that the MCX is just another fancy AR with a piston upper.
Picture related, nothing but a bunch of nogunz dildos in this thread.
>>77704664
GPS was never for civilian use, but here we are all using it.
>>77704664
The AR-15 was designed by Eugene Stoner to meet the us military's "M-16" specification for a new infantry rifle, and so it was specifically designed to be a weapon to sell to the US Military.
So in that sense you can say that the claim is correct, from a certain pedantic point of view.
>>77704664
>intention
Relevance?
>>77713930
Way to miss the entire fucking point retard. They are trying to ban whats popular to stifle the growth of a voting demographic that acts against the statist agenda.
>>77708079
None of that is law idiot. Nice autism. Post you fucking neckbeard
>>77712850
No you idiot you have the right too bad on my opinion post idiot
>>77704664
> So the government can control who is in the construct of "the national guard"
> People HAVE to be a paid employee.
> Only a limited, select number of people.
You can used that to then strange the national guard (as is being done in Norway apparently) and then "outsource" them.
> No decisions will be made by you at that point. Democracy + autonomy gone.
The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.
— Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania continental congress delegate, 1786.
>>77714825
It is law, it is called the second amendment. The quotes in question clarify the intentions of the founding fathers, and demonstrate that your "reinterpretation" of the words is incorrect.
>>77704664
Daily reminder that the goat fucker used a Sig MCX, not and AR.
>>77715269
Lmao
Wrooooong
>>77715546
>>77714342
Daily reminder faggot that the MCX comes as a drop on "upgrade" for any mil-spec AR lower. So yes, it is in fact an AR platform.
>>77704664
All able-bodied 17-45 year old American males are legally classified as unorganized/reserve militia who will bear arms in defense of the country and Constitution.
>Title 10 USC 311:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
> - - - - - - - - - -
Note that "well-regulated" did not mean "organized". "Well-regulated", a term in common use long before 1789, and remaining so for a century thereafter, referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd Amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
It is quite clear that the Founders used the phrase "well-regulated" to denote that militia forces should be skilled with arms of contemporary military utility and relevant military tactics, so that they can serve in the defense of Republic against both foreign invaders and the threat of domestic tyrants commanding a national army against the liberty of the citizenry.
> - - - - - - - - - -
http://bearingarms.com/well-regulated/
> - - - - - - - - - -
Also, the Supreme Court has already ruled that firearm ownership is unrelated to one's status in any militia.
>>77715866
No, and furthermore, your attempt to eliminate the second amendment by redefining the words to something different from their original meanings is literally the exact same thing Prince did when he changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol because he incorrectly assumed it would free him from his recording contracts (which were signed "Prince").
Which is to say that you are basically as stupid as the Littlest Gay Nigger who recently died of AIDS.
>>77704664
>National Guard.
>Militia
No you idiot thats a branch of the armed forces, aka not a fucking militia BY DEFINITION
>Working directly for the federal government
>government issued paycheck, gear, food, heatlh care
>militia
>>77716401
Lmao someone's an angry beta lmaaooo
>>77716449
Didnt read the thread lmao
>>77707734
>>77707825
>>77707887
>>77708079
>>77708322
>>77708455
>>77708512
The founding fathers were BASED as fuck
>>77716564
>doesnt into basic logic
I read the thread. But most of these arguments defy basic yes/no logic
Even the wikipedia jew knows you're full of shit:
>Militia has historically been used to describe all able-bodied men who are not members of the Army or Navy (Uniformed Services).
>>77705061
The constitution does not grant our natural rights it protects them as a safeguard against people like OP who would try to infringe upon those rights.
>>77716523
Actually it appears that you are in fact even more stupid because at least Prince could comprehend the reality that he was wrong.
>>77716829
this
>>77704768
only americans think they can do shit against drones and super sonic airplanes with missilers, with MUH GUNS.
what a dumb population
>>77704664
If the AR-15 wasn't made for civilians, then why is it semi-auto only? Sounds suspicious to me.
>>77704664
Intention was money and really not caring about who gets killed.
>>77716849
Nah I'm just baked and I'm not about to argue with a weeb beta lmaaaooo
>>77716980
Didn't realize we were fighting americans in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria
>>77716980
Sure we can.
Find out who is piloting the drone and put a gun to his wife's head.
>>77716980
Iraqi's seemed to have no issues.
>>77704664
>>77704664
... the right of the people to keep and bear arms...
>>77717181
Nice meme lmao are you my dad on Fb. Do. You always post wrong memes
>>77716980
I don't know, you have mirage fighters and Exocet missiles and supposedly even a bunch of nukes and look what a couple of sandtards with guns did
what a dumb population
>>77705394
>my opinions are more important than those of the SCOTUS
>>77704664
Daily reminder you have no idea what the inactive militia is.
>>77704664
Daily reminder that 4chan is 100% trolls and paid shills. Fuck off and die.
>>77716980
This is the ultimate government cuck mindset.
"THE GOVERNMENT HAS BETTER WEAPONS! I GUESS I SHOULD JUST ROLLOVER AND SPREAD MY ASS FOR THEM"
>>77717486
Looks like your dad's genes are as shitty as his memes
>>77705748
Fun fact faggot: The Illinois State constitution explicitly states that all able bodied men are the State Milita. Our rights to bear arms are also guaranteed and shall not be infringed.
Anyone here actually IN the guard?
I have a friend in Oklahoma who says his unit is doing the same thing we are in Maryland, that is, the past 4 drills have all been urban combat training and crowd suppression shit.
We're both mechanics, it's not that this isn't slightly better than what we usually do, it's just weird.
>>77704664
Good thing being in a militia is not a requirement for bearing arms OP.
Rather it is a requirement that citizens be armed for militias to exist according to the constitution.
>>77717859
Hey I'm in IL too, wanna meet. Up. And suck me. Off?
>>77716980
Damn nigger you sure are fucking stupid
>>77706391
none say they aren't, fuck off
>>77717831
Try to remember who you're talking to
>>77717556
That image is fake. There's surprisingly little blood from all those people.
>>77713697
>someone
You're probably the type of guys that lost all their guns in the horrible boat accident, right? :^)
>>77718324
negro there is fucking blood everywhere where are you looking
>>77718505
Why are their clothes so clean?
>>77718130
BTW, can someone explain what's so special in texas grid?
>>77718179
Kek I meant to add to my post:
>see flag
Ah that's why he doesn't understand
How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion – mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, and an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun. It makes more sense to do this with young men and guns than with women and health care, right? I mean, no woman getting an abortion has killed a room full of people in seconds, right?
>>77718179
I also respect the fact that it took two atom bombs for your countrymen to surrender. No dishonor in Japan. Fight till the end.
>>77718910
>Australia
That figures.
>>77718910
>Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun
That only makes me more erect
>>77718130
Until enough of the normal population rises up, and not just the wing-nuts and preppers, arned government personnel will be able to fight and defeat them, seeing them as criminals and crazies.
>>77704664
Where's the problem, can't you just get another full automatic rifle? Why the focus on the AR15?
>>77718662
I don't think their clothes appear particularly clean but if you mean why aren't they soaked with blood it is probably because spilt blood flows downward due to something called gravity and thus the blood would be soaked into their clothes underneath them but not so much on top.
>>77718344
>implying someone from /pol/ would post in the sad joke that is 2016 /b/
>>77718675
Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with Feds, I don't see why it wouldn't be as vulnerable, but maybe the point is since Texas isn't connected federally, the grid is better hidden from potential saboteurs.
>>77704664
I sure hope my kids aren't cucks after my death
>>77704664
Bernie out dude gtfo go to reddit and sulk for 4 more years
Aren't all male Americans part of a militia because we register for military draft when we turn 18?
>>77719251
They all landed bloody side down?
>>77717486
>not an argument
>>77719211
AR-15s are not full automatic. They are semi-automatic like dozens of other modern rifles sold in the US, even in the very same .223/5.56 caliber (i.e. Ruger Mini-14).
>>77719577
even without registering you are still the militia because your constitution recognizes the right and duty of citizens to defend themselves and their nation
>>77719767
The underlying question though is why do they focus on the AR-15. Is it cheap? Why not focus on actual fully automatic weapons?
>>77704664
Why does it have civilian protection ammo
>>77706481
Please refrain from speaking from now on. Also consider suicide you retarded leaf.
>>77719594
Yes, because the bloody side is heavier because of the blood
>>77719862
Because it looks like the weapon our military uses. It's "scary"
>>77719862
Fully automatic weapons are extremely rare in the USA because they're heavily restricted
>>77717078
lmaooooo!!
Haha!!!
>>77707734
>"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
I like this one.
>>77719926
Looks like everyone fell on their wound then.
>>77710381
That's why you need to ban high powered high capacity assault clips
>>77720460
No, they probably didn't fall on their wounds, looks like you watch too many movies where people die with geysers of blood. Watch some liveleak videos instead, gunshot wounds bleed much more slowly than you realize
>>77704664
>Can't wait for pol tears when
Thus proving every BTFO poster is a massive raging assmad faggot shitting up the board because someone anal fisted him with an argument once. That someone was probably me, and it's deeply satisfying to see you so traumatized.
>>77720922
Never mind I'm an idiot. It's clear that they were dragged.
>>77718910
Wow, all you had to do was keep your legs closed or successfully use birth control, boohoo, its fucking nothing.
>>77704664
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
All males ages 17 and 45 belong to the milita
But I've got a bump fire stock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29evY77S13M
>>77706481
you fucking idiot, AR15's are literally high velocity BB guns.
>>77719185
geg, THEY will just want protection from the niggers. which the government never did and never can offer.
>>77704664
>it was never meant for civilians even though we sold and advertised it to civilians
>>77704664
Come on, this is like sakichi toyoda crying about how sand niggers mount MGs onto flatbed toyota pick-ups in the middle east and shitting on his fathers grave for it.
