So, what does /pol/ think of this? Recently, the US has also begun to develop small scale nuclear weapons on fighter aircraft, as well. So, is the US/NATO justified in this, or are we now closer to a NATO v Russia conflict turning hot? Who is more likely to escalate tensions with Russa? Hillary, who hasn't seen an intervention she doesn't like? Trump, the inexperienced figurehead of the "New" GOP, as much of a misnomer as that is? Or, an anti-Russia NATO member, like Poland?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/14/nato-to-send-combat-ready-battalions-near-russian-border/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/science/as-us-modernizes-nuclear-weapons-smaller-leaves-some-uneasy.html?_r=0
It could be anybody. And this anybody can pull the reason for a war out of thin air.
>http://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/news/nato-agrees-cyber-attack-could-trigger-military-response/
>>77553224
Remember two sides are playing this game. The Russians could have their own rogues looking to escalate tensions.
Alternatively the catalyst could come from an entirely unexpected direction like Serbia in WW1.
All we know is that sides are firming up, and battle lines are being drawn in the South China Sea and in Eastern Europe.
I suspect that things will become more dangerous in a couple more years after better ICBM defense systems have been brought online.
>>77553224
Putin's Russia could "steamroll" NATO forces in just five days, winning a quick victory in the Baltics that would drag Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania — and perhaps even Poland — kicking and screaming behind a new Iron Curtain.
>>77553224
This is what EU wanted, to fight the bear
>mfw Cold War 2 = Space Race 2
they can have all the artillery and tech in the world. the only issuee is what the fuck are they fighting about. whats the casus belli
kek
>>77553224
>Recently, the US has also begun to develop small scale nuclear weapons on fighter aircraft, as well.
havent we had that for years?
anyway, proofs, etc.
>>77553224
Remember, Estonia.
If something happens there with Russia, it's WW3. Just trust me.
Michael Carpenter, deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia, told Congress he agreed with a think tank study that concluded NATO could not currently defend the Baltic States against a lightning Russian military campaign. The report says the three tiny countries, which collectively muster 11 battalions of mostly lightly armed troops, are no match for the 46 battalions of tanks, mechanized infantry, paratroops, marines, artillery, surface-to-surface missile, and attack helicopters Russia has stationed in the region.
>>77553224
Is this not the military excersise Cuckmany was moaning about because it coincided with the 70th anniversary of Barbarossa? In other words no big deal.
>>77554058
>nato-agrees-cyber-attack-could-trigger-military-response
>we could meme a war
what a wonderful world we live in
>>77554302
>I suspect that things will become more dangerous in a couple more years after better ICBM defense systems have been brought online.
This. It's gonna be glorious, and probably very similar to pic related
>>77554772
What's Estonia gonna be? Another country whom the US promised protection, but then dumped as soon as any real threat from Russia emerged?
Keep peddling your 2nd hand weapons to the butthurt-belt, but I'm pretty sure even the most retared people there know nobody's actually going to war over them, if they provoke Russia.
>4k troops
Holy shot thats massive, real happenings about to happen... not
>>77554770
yes we have, it's called the B61.
they must be referring to make it a smart bomb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L14GMtf8Vwk
>>77554899
We could meme the war to end all wars.
I look forward to it.
>>77554691
Global economic control via military power. China, the US and Russia are all in the same game.
Russia is heavily burdened with economic sanctions at the moment because the US fears an increase in their power. Simultaneously this is a source of tension between the US and Russia. China sees itself as future global hegemon. The conflict over the South China see is partly about China projecting force over South-east Asia and also about extending their economic exclusion zone.
The same tensions exist here as in virtually all conflicts.
>>77555097
>We could meme the war to end all wars.
I'm counting on you on this one Australia
>>77553224
They're making sure that when martial law is declared there's no one here to help us.
I think it's time we stop children what's that sound everybody look what's goin' round
>>77554916
There is nothing glorious about war.
>>77554788
>>77554528
I don't doubt Russia could steamroll the Baltic states. I doubt it would draw them behind another Iron Curtain though. More likely it would immediately escalate to WW3 with the first, small points going to Russia.
>>77554058
And of course a reason to block internet communication between us. Let's hope it never comes to that.
>>77553224
>Abrams, Leo 2s, Challys, and Leclercs facing off against T-90s and T-14s
>F-15s, Eurofighters, and F/A-18E/Fs going toe to toe with Flankers
>F-16s going toe to toe with MiGs
>Los Angeles Subs going against Soviet Subs
>A-10 vs Su-25 comparisons
>Apaches killing everything in sight
MY BODY IS ABSOLUTELY READY
>>77554770
Yea, but they're planning on modernizing the nuclear arsenal. Things are getting so old that it's very expensive to produce specialty parts to maintain old hardware that goes back to the 60's.
The big worry is that if we start developing smaller and more accurate nuclear weapons, then they might conceivably be put into action.
It's kind of dumb though, because if they become small and accurate enough to actually be used, their yield will be so low that you may as well just use conventional bombs.
>>77555440
Nice proxy you got there, leaf.
>>77555850
I don't understand where you're getting the implication that I'm Canadian. What I said was genuine.
Baltics, Balkans and the other Slavic Countries are Russian and rightful Russian land. Siberia is useless
>>77555742
>Mass casualties as commanders aren't ready or experienced for conventional war with this technology
>WWI all over again
no thanks
Its cold war posturing. We took a break for a little bit, but were back at it. Ukraine and Syria are cold war proxy wars. Expect this to go on for the rest of your life.
>>77554772
Imagine, a sudden incursion of "Russian speaking" men in green uniforms popping up in Estonia.
Ignore the fact that they are Ukrainians, Georgians, Poles, and assorted US mercs, they will be paraded through the media as "little green men".
The shitstorm will be unbelievable. The casus belli undeniable.
The question is when? After the NATO summit in Warsaw next month? October to give Hillary a bump to the top? Next year, during the Russian election, when they think their leadership is distracted like they have done before?
This war is practically here. Its just a matter of timing.
>>77556029
Sure, buddy.
>>77556076
>Shock and Awe campaign dismantles Russia fairly quickly
>Just like Iraq
>>77553224
Russia would destroy NATO troops in less than 60 hours
>>77556076
Soldiers will never be massed in the field like in WW1 again.
>>77554528
>Putin's Russia could "steamroll" NATO forces in just five days, winning a quick victory in the Baltics that would drag Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and perhaps even Poland
Russia would have to do something to try and force a peace treaty after taking the Baltics, because once NATO forces mobilized it would be just a matter of time before Putin's army got its asshole reamed by a cactus.
FUCK RUSSIA
FUCK RUSSIA
FUCK RUSSIA
FUCK RUSSIA
FUCK RUSSIA
FUCK
RUSSIA
>>77554679
Don't vote Trump anymore. Hillary is our only chance to step foot on Mars
>>77553224
>Recently, the US has also begun to develop small scale nuclear weapons on fighter aircraft
What
This is literally nothing new
>>77556298
>You'll be home before the leaves have fallen from the trees
>>77556771
>Hitler says "the war will be over before Christmas"
>>77556889
everyone knows Willy's better
If reports of millions of men start popping up ill worry. Germany crossed with 4 million. Id want at least 10 to cross that line.
>>77553224
Us military are a bunch of dumb faggots. Go kill white Christians and let the niggers swarm your nation goyim
>>77556298
Russia>>>>>Iraq in geographic size, numbers, and weapons
Besides, they'll just blitzkrieg back
>>77556482
I'm not saying they'll be mowed down by machine guns, but what about all these advanced aircraft and cruise missiles? And I bet soon drones will have a much larger role on the battlefield, not just in the air.
>>77553224
Mmmm, I forgot how good Abrams look in woodland paint.
Sexy.
>>77556029
Moscow is rightful Ukrainian clay.
>>77554899
>These memes, so terible and awesome were like none the world had ever seen before. Truly, this was the face of Modern Warfare 4: Cold War ++
Who cares, we have Naruto.
https://kissanime.to/Anime/Naruto-Dub/Episode-001-Enter-Naruto-Uzumaki?id=103868
>>77554899
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eF4Hcr7XX3c
>>77553224
>totaling 40,000
Because we all know 40k soldiers is the magic number to soak up the blast of a nuclear explosion
Russia can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants because its the only country willing to pull the nuclear trigger
>>77556476
This.
People don't realize that 40k in the tiny regions of eruope is literally fucking nothing.
It's PR, nothing more. Hope russians stay calm and don't react to this bullshit.
>>77557096
>>77557064
>but what about all these advanced aircraft and cruise missiles?
It would make more sense to target the aircraft and missile launching systems than troops on the ground.
>>77557013
This is an entirely antiquated viewpoint.
I could see sides fighting for aerial dominance and then bombing the other into oblivion. I guess if Surface-to-Air defense systems are effective enough though ground troops may have their place.
>>77553224
ww3 imminent
>>77554058
Thank god there isn't a wall, I can escape to Mexico if they declare war.
>>77557310
>Russia
>calm
You better hope Poland can hold
>>77554672
Nobody really cares about a bear who is getting gored from below by whatever animal mexicans use for a Pinyata and from above by a bunch of moosefucker leafs lol.
>>77553224
40k is nothing
Anyone that has a vague, even wikipedia-tier timeline in their head knows every century has at least one major, large-scale war. Race-war alarmists are dumb because there is no central organization to any particular race, but WW3 isn't unlikely because all it takes is the will of someone at the head of a superpower to illegally expand/invade. Considering Putin's irredentism up until now, it wouldn't even be surprising if Eastern Europe sincerely is where WW3 starts. It'll be that, East Asia, or both.
>>77554772
Why estonia, latvia is much shittier and easier to deal with
>>77553224
It's literally fucking nothing.
This is still a tiny fraction of the forces we had in Europe during the Cold War.
If anything this decreases the chance of war by increasing deterrence, although Russia could probably still push all the way to Berlin without meeting much resistance if they wanted to.
>>77553224
The jew is so arrogant it risks nuclear war just to create it's vision of a unified jew controlled world. China and Russia aren't having it though. This whole situation wont end well.
>>77558676
How popular is Winny Puhh in your country?
>>77558419
Russian Chinese alliance wins. Europe is occupied and divided into satellite states. Iran is the big winner in the middle east. US implodes Austria Hungary style.
>>77556618
Putin would just point his 7500 nukes at the EU and America and demand they stand down. If they refuse, his alliance with China could overpower NATO forces with their nuke count.
Strategically the east is more powerful. Financially the west is. The jew owns our societies and it has vast sums of wealth, but the Russkies have power. They have more nukes than anyone, and they have an extremely powerful ally in China, which is rapidly approaching the financial power of the US.
Underestimating Putin's Russian and China will be fatal for the jew.
I can't wait to kill some ruskies. Hopefully chinks too.
Thread reminder to watch Threads.
https://vimeo.com/18781528
NObody gonna fight russia over estonia.
>>77557310
>"strong deterrence is the best way to prevent a war.”
If this is nothing but PR, I would rather there be training exercises in Canada, than along Russia's border. After all, Russia has nothing to lose; their economy is in complete shambles and is only still functioning because Russia is a major natural gas exporter.
>>77555068
And how many troops do you think the pro-Russia separatists have? They've allegedly only been getting material support from Russia, but have been able to fend off against the Ukrainian military for quite sometime. If that's a similar story with the Baltic states, Russia could easily stride into striking distance of Warsaw or Berlin, should they start escalating as well.
>>77559188
Serve your jewish masters well burger, maybe they'll throw you a bone. Worthless slave, our countries are completely overrun by the parasite. Why would you fight for them?
>>77559210
>what is article five
once Trump restructures NATO, Russia will annex the Baltic and Belarus
>>77556618
Here's how most wars would work nowdays:
1. One side quickly captures lots of land and then goes into peace talks.
2. One side attacks and neither side backs down until there's a limited nuclear exchange. Both sides go into peace talks.
3. Full on nuclear war.
Source: My ass
>>77559021
China is smart enough to stay out of it and let two rivals clobber each other.
>>77554058
Russia looses its spagettis and invades litva.
Russia cyber war division fucks up a nato member country.
Russia spildieres once again enter a country by acident.
Russia murders once again civilians useing a comrcial airliner. Mh 17.
Russia murders again civilians in a baltic state.
>>77559210
Yeah we will. NATO member. If we don't defend Estonia, NATO will be dissolved at that time.
Even if Obama decided to be a chickenshit, you know all those Eastern Euro countries would band together and fight. And in all seriously, Ukraine + Poland + Romania + Estonia + Bulgaria + Latvia + probably Norway and Netherlands (and maybe even Finland now that it's not an official NATO op) would be more than enough to deal with Russia.
Russia can barely handle Ukraine. With oil prices down, Russia doesn't have a lot of cash and their military is kinda in shitty shape.
>>77553224
Well if I'm being honest I'd rather have russian rule than than hundreds of thousands of "refugees" in my country. The refugees rape more and have a bigger army.
>>77559374
>>what is article five
A meme, no one gonna move a finger over butthurt belt .
>>77559021
Wouldn't Russian forces just disable the European military, leaving US by itself ?
>>77554528
A vatnik dreaming.
More like the NATO units alrady stationd in poland would fight a reatreat battel while russia gets it ass handet by incursions on its on soil from the north, south and east.
Vodka niggers can barrly field 400.000 troops now. Far outnumbrd by nato forces.
Vodka niggrs are btfo.
Can't wait until the war kicks off so I can join Russia and kill some cuckmericans
>>77559807
Yes. Britain might be saved by the US Navy unless I'm underestimating the capability of Russian airborne logistics.
The US would be forced to fight Russia and China in multiple theaters. The US would essentially be Germany in the previous world wars. The best part is Europe has no capability of mounting a partisan force so Russian occupation is largely unopposed.
>>77559881
Get the fuck out of my country.
>>77559618
Plus you can count on the russians to leave eventually. Same can't be said with traitors and islam.
>>77554672
U mean germany
>>77559823
... why is a german writing such bad english?
>>77555527
I don't think who gets points matters once WWIII is initiated. If it comes to dad, we are all dead.
>>77556022
Genuinely gay.
MUH RUSSIAN AGRESSION
>>77559240
Russias economy in shambles? That is funny.
Back in 2009, when Oil was low, Russia had no sanctions on it at all, and was trading as is, its economy dropped by close to 9%. Last year, after heavy sanctions, no access to foreign capital in borrowing (biggest point here) and low oil prices, it dropped by 3.7%. Oil and gas account for only 20% of Russias actual GDP. Oil rent is only 14%. Russia's economy is now transitioning away from simply exports to local demand, hence import substitution. Since Russia, like US, is a heavy consumer of goods. Which, also not so surprisingly enough, is the major reason for Russias economic drop - its spenders were witholding spending and lack of investments. This hurt them quite a bit. Rest is simple BS since they still operate at a positive trade balance.
>>77559380
No, cause China knows they would be next. So they will provide what is needed to Russia to extend the war, if Russia ever needed it. Partisan fighters from China could flood.
>>77553224
I swear to fucking god if we go to war again over fucking Poland...
>>77556618
Mobilized what? Russia currently outnumbers in equipment everything else in Europe, so the only credible thing would be if an Aussie, American force tried another D-Day. Europe is hollowing out it's defense to pay for it's social programs in ways that are simply ridiculous. The idea that Russia could reach France before the USA could amass troops to counteract them is perfectly possible.
>>77559823
Russia's forces is roughly 800,000 with NCO corps counted. Russias paramilitary (including national guard now) is higher.
Russia's military is divided up between 4 areas. Western district, eastern, southern and northern. Western district is heavily fortified. Recently there was a move of 3 divisions (so roughly 30,000) in short period to west to assist the already current 60,0000 units. In time of war, due to conscription that exists in Russia, 2M can be drafted quite quickly. Since conscription exists, these guys would already have some basic training which says a lot more than us.
>>77553224
Consistent with the Customs Agent Note about using deployment to prevent the military from stopping an out-of-control government.
>>77559778
So, you figure Russia is going to go largely unopposed as America struggles to make any actual commitment toward its allies?
If it comes to that, I would assume that the US would remain semi-neutral, like in WW2, and only start putting troops on the ground when we inevitably get attacked on American soil.
>>77560976
Our military is fucking gutted as well, I think it's safe to say Russia would be essentially unopposed if they decided to invade Europe.
>>77560796
Russia, you needs plan to stop being such shit.
-Introduce Georgist LVT and a VAT Fairtax system with good benefits if children, with demographs find ideal number per women to recover population and then lead to stabilization so that the number provides most tax benefit. Make it by racial group so that muslims keep breeding like rabbits they get hit harder by tax, and make it so more benefits comes to subdivisions with small densities.
-Repeat Worgl experiment and make a bunch of local currencies for each sub-division of Russia, making rubles be only inter-local currency exchange tool. Let value float vs Ruble so ruble trouble means little to local people.
-Increase taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. Introduce health and addiction initiative, like propaganda and needle exchange program.
-go industry by industry which make up the imports of Russia and begin to reinforce, or outright form them as to reduce Russian dependence on them.
-Stop prosecuting bribe-givers and instead protect them so that bribe-recievers get whacked. Additionally, make the bribe-reciever get stuck with a fine equal to 1.25 the amount asked, with the bribe money being given back to the bribe-giver. Give immunity or otherwise reduce liability to anyone that reports and proves corruption, regardless of involvement (Hong Kong being perfect example).
-Streamline all the processes and make mandatory maximums for certain decisions. Corruption in Russia, comes mostly from the ability of officials to arbitrary fuck people over.
-Putin must begin to spread out his political power as wide as possible and as soon as possible, otherwise the oligarchs will take over again and his corporatist gamble to make Russia rise again will have failed. Corruption as an acceptable sideffect of making Russia not be meat for vulture is no longer a valid strategy. Liberalize and decentralize power, or Russia will collapse like the USSR did once the political shocks comes.
>>77553224
of course cant have those goys leaving the EUSSR
>>77561133
I would argue against that. The USA is still the most powerful military in the world, hands down. Russia would likely be able to fight and resists American advances, but it's doubtful they could make effective gains once there are enough americans on the battlefield. Thing is, Europe's military is essentially gone (I speculate as part of a plan to make sure the EU army has no effective counter once they clamp down, but that's just me) and Russia rushing to the atlantic will not be pretty.
>>77556298
"Shikinah glory" Jew magic memetics.
>>77561282
>I would argue against that
>didn't provide a single argument
>>77561133
wut? Our military is as capable as ever, we have about 50k less active bullet catchers, but who gives a fuck.
>>77555742
>apaches killing everything in sight
Forgetting about the mi-28 and Hind. They , unlike the apache are actually armored and can take a beating.
>>77560976
Russia has a shit ton of non-functional soviet shit that was designed for defense battles only. The soviets knew they could never win a protracted conventional, that's why they never attacked..
No ruski pls
>>77561623
Oh so that's why apache's rarely get taken out but hinds get btfo constantly? Armor doesn't matter when you don't put yourself in a situation to be targeted.
>>77559380
China would gobble Asia and try to enact its long awaited revenge on Japan.
>>77561699
China wouldn't do shit but try and make money. They are asian jews. Wars are not profitable.
>le ebil russland strikes again T_T
>murica plz gibe maney ;_;
>nato plz we need more military infrastructure and investitions
pathetic
>>77561896
Baltics are our central asia.
>>77560976
>Europe is piss weak, again
>Anglos literally need to save these wine drinking faggots, again.
Who thrust this burden on us? Literally every Aussie, Canadian, American and Brit of fighting age on this board is going to die to a Russian nuke because the Europeans are about as scary as a litter of kittens.
>>77556298
>Shock and awe.
Meh. This may work against arabs , i highly doubt that you could repeat this in russia. Pretty sure we still have warehouses of weapons hidden in our forest that can be used to arm partisans. We also have a lot more places for those partisans to hide and strike from.
>>77561987
Any war with Russia would be one in which Russia is the aggressor. NATO doesn't have to invade Russian soil, just defend eastern Europe.
Which kinda fucks Russia as their entire airforce is based around defense except for a small handful of jets.
That's why this entire thing is nonsense.
>>77561694
>Armor doesn't matter when you don't put yourself in a situation to be targeted.
So Apaches are pretty much meant to be used only against sandniggers with manhandled 23 mm cannons at best? Got it.
>>77561623
So how many operational Mi-28s and Hinds does Russia still field
because America has at least 800 Apaches and Cobras still in service.
>>77554691
>when you want to declare war but no casus belli
Hate those feels desu
>>77562110
Hinds are getting btfo all over the middle east, but apaches operate freely....
India is buying apaches for a reason.
>>77554528
>Haha, fucking Westerners...Mom, no, there's nothing behind my Orthodox Crucifix
>No, no, no, that's not weed
>>77562185
Wait, they are? Because I only keep seeing pics of they getting hit and shrugging that shit off.
>>77559380
China and Russia have a complicated synergy. They're both revisionist powers that want to redraw the maps of their respective parts of the world, and the US is their shared opponent.
The glaring problem is that China is insanely resource-hungry, and has been eyeing Siberia for a long time. They have similar objectives, but neither can ever fully trust the other.
>>77562285
https://theaviationist.com/2016/05/14/intense-video-shows-turkish-ah-1w-cobra-helicopter-getting-shot-down-by-sa-18-manpad/
>>77553224
The US will finish what Poland started; the complete and utter destruction of the Russian state.
>>77562402
That's very clearly not a Hind, pastanigger.
>>77560171
We can airlift a couple VDV divisions with armor and gear. Anything more would require an actual foothold or and airbase in Britain.
Are this really just war games?
>>77562478
The soviets lost at least 70 of them in afghanistan in the early 80s. All it takes is one rocket from a manpad. Just like any attack helicopter
>>77562478
I never claimed it was.
>>77553224
>40,000 troops
NATO STRONK RORORORO
>>77562593
Which is why every Hind sense was redesigned. You are the kind of guy who thinks the Humvees are still immediately killed by IEDs.
>>77554528
I want to see them try.
>>77558676
Fucking mongol smdh
>>77562090
Not only our airforce. Our tanks up to the t14 all were tailored to defence. They had built in doser blades, very strong turrets and bad gun depression. All of these features are perfect for defence in a flat environment - something that we have plenty of. They could still be used in offence but just not as effectively as in defence.
>>77562729
The hind is still less maneuverable, has weak counter measures and is an easy target for manpads. Which is why India bought the apache.
>>77562593
>implying we still use the same models from the 80s
>>77562995
>implying you don't.
>>77562298
China would just get glassed if they tried to take Siberia and they know that.
>>77562587
Ask this question again when Russia doubles the number of troops they have along their own border in response to increasing tensions with NATO. Do you really think this all just a farce in the name of "national security".
>>77562990
Whatever you need to tell yourself, americuck.
>>77563136
It's dick waving, no leader on either side is stupid enough to fuck over business.
Even the current sanctions are very minimal. The real money making trade is not sanctioned.
>>77553224
>1 post by this ID
>>77563258
I'm on mobile and keep hoping between networks. I don't really understand what you're trying to say, though. Are you implying I shouldn't have made this thread? Or, by contrary are you trying to say that I should be more involved?
>>77559618
+ Rossija has vodka and cheeki breeki
>>77563108
I'm fairly sure they don't
>>77560932
Nah we just help them conquer your shitty nigger island
>>77560932
I'd die defending Poland before I'd lift a finger for you Western European cucks.
>>77559474
>butthurt belt country rents server in Russia
>1 day later NATO responding militarily to Russian cyber attack
>>77560993
Still dreaming. Noto in full normal mobilisation is rufly 1 mio.
At maximum count with all nations at war its 8 mio.
So kek on russia. Out numberd out gunned. Outmanuverd and surroundet.
With nukes at there borders pointing at there homes.
West will take some loses but russia gets crushed.
>>77562990
>The hind is still less maneuverable
To a MANPAD there is virtually no difference.
Helos aren't known for pulling multiple gs when maneuvering.
>has weak counter measures
Both have MAWS and flares, and thats it.
>is an easy target for manpads
Both are easy targets for modern MANPADs
>Which is why India bought the apache
Nah, its all because the Russians didn't bother upgrading the Mi-28N (can't blame them when the Ka-52 is superior all around and a much better investment in terms of upgrades anyway).
Turns out the Indians want the shiniest shit out of the box and are willing to shell out for it; btfo Mi-28Ns prospects which relied on its cost-effectiveness (as in it could BTFO Pakistani and Chinese tanks just as well as the Apache with its weapons while costing less) as well as its commonality with other Mil helos.
>>77564052
You have my sword
>>77561373
Its a vodka nigger with no clue.
>>77562155
>Ukraine join NATO
>DEMAND UNLAWFUL TERRITORY FROM MOSCOV
>Casus beli ready
>>77561983
> australia
> country
Hows the domestic r&d?
>>77564220
You didn't learn anything from last time, did you Hans?
>>77557013
Russian defense doctrine authorizes nuclear weapons if Russia faces an existential threat. Russia would tactical nuke any armoured advance it could not repel.
>>77553224
>Not content to reinfoce the consulate in benghazi
>soldiers die
>fast forward to russia
>no direct threat made, issued, implied
>leaders content to spam unit stacks immediately.
This is why we cannot have nice things.
>>77563899
They do.
well today, nato asked Canada to join them in declaring war against russia ... still waiting on a reply
>>77564570
what the fuck does benghazi have to do with this?
We have had dozens of embassy's attacked over the last 16 years. No one gives a fuck.
>>77554302
>unexpected direction like Serbia in WW1.
>unexpected
plenty of treaties were created between Serbia and the Austro-Hunagrians. They weren't enough, but Serbia being a catalyst for war is far from unexpected
>>77564503
>Hans
More like Hassan. One of those tanned Germans gallivanting around in search of Aryan women to rape and welfare cheques to collect.
Lock me up. I'm not killing anything or anyone for globalists in the next culling.
>>77564503
Last time we fougth against the world, with your pathetic asses joining happely. lost with a much better k/d and come on top out in the end.
Russia is on its own.
No a americans gibs me landlease.
Oil.
Yeah. Russia is fuckt.
All you faggots don't understand how expensive it would be for Russia to occupy Baltics, even one of them. People here are not going to comply with kremlin, economy would stop in the region. Why would Russia need a new 5 million people who will actively work against them.
>>77564687
It was a US installation that fell to foreign fighters. Something that hasn't happened since the 70's. And the US military did nothing.
>We have had dozens of embassy's attacked over the last 16 years. No one gives a fuck.
How many of those times were a sitting ambassador and navy seals killed?
You're full of shit mate.
>>77554058
oh russia its back
>>77564811
True russia barly strugels with its 170 million vatniks.
>>77553224
Guys, my friend in military is being sent to train in bridgeport and getting deployed afterwards(doesnt know to where yet). He said this is really unusual
>>77564799
unfortunately if you think America can win against russia, you don't know anything about electricity let me break it down for you, sadly when Nicola tesla came out with improvements to our electric grid, only Russia implimented the Pulse shielding necessary to prevent the entire country from blacking out from one EMP wave (which a massive one is generated by a nuclear blast) America would crumble with one Nuke on the soil, as every fuse/electric grid on the west or east cost depending on which grid they hit first blows. Russia on the other hand could take multiple nuclear strikes without this happening.
>>77553224
This is the wrong war we need to be fucking up Chinks and Blacks not eachother.
Yes good white goyim go off and kill more whites you'll need more Black/Asien immigration after to recover
the problem is in a real world war, America would tear itself apart when it lost electricity.
>1 post by op.
This niggers are still circlejerking nato vs russia.
>>77564992
With multipel hits they will take. And only one america. Again child. In war there are loses. As long the russkis take more and lose its ok. Its ww3. Nobady gets spared.
>>77564992
Good thing all the cities are separated by vast swaths of tundra. Easy to disconnect, easy to nuke and isolate. Russian infrastructure has many issues, and with their population problem, couldn't sustain anything more than a cold war.
>>77564687
Benghazi was noteworthy because there was intelligence suggesting an attack long beforehand, the embassy staff was petitioning the State Department and DOD for increased security, and Hillary was refusing to even discuss the matter.
And then of course the embassy is sacked, the ambassador is killed, and the cunt blames it on white men and their Islamophobic videos.
There's a difference between embassies being attacked and deliberately allowing embassies to be attacked.
>>77557348
why is the gun on backwards?
>>77565089
We shouldnt fight with other christians, youre country should be part of an alliance. We should unite in these hard times.
>>77565179
brah, you are unhinged, what the fuck does any of that nonsense have to do with NATO.
>>77564981
Are you typically informed of where you're being shipped off to before training? Or, does he find this whole thing unusual?
>>77556644
>>77556644
Hillary is guaranteed World War 3
Its good
Russia is a piece of shit country that not only actively invades other but keeps meddling in western affairs, constantly through the use of spies and clandestine activities
They are also funding very harmful organizations like FN in france
The more soldiers come here the better and it makes faggot shit putin mad
mfw russian tears
despite all the talk that we don't matter to them at all, the butt pain is just obvious
Don't poke the bear you dumb niggers.
>>77565243
Remember how the Russians murdered several million of your people?
They'd do it again just for shits and giggles.
>>77565421
>yfw Russia is afraid of Estonia
> more tension created against russia
> my country will continue barking how Russia occupied it
> Russia is evil
They took the strategic opportunity and did it. If the roles were switched, anyone would do the same. I dont get this artificial tension being created. And why should other countries be forced to defend our oligarch vilas if russia does attack. I can guarantee if it does happen, its because we rather hide behind others and bark at russia, rather than try and have a dialogue.
If they do get aggressive for no reason, we already fought them in the woods before. Then again, who will want to die for our oligarchs treasure, when they will be the first ones to board planes and fly for the US when russia as much as sneezes.
USbros and EUbros. Do not fight for our overlords and globalists.
>>77555527
At the absolute bare minimum without delay, in a full scale war with Russia it would take about 2 weeks to even amass a force able to counter and attempt to push back the initial russian wave.
Any type of major war with russia would become nuclear once they begin to lose, all their defensive strategies rely on the mass launching of nuclear weapons.
>>77565243
>We shouldnt fight with other christians, youre country should be part of an alliance. We should unite in these hard times.
You only talking like that because you are weak.
>>77565595
You seem frustrated, why is that?
>>77553224
on the bright side, a straight up war will enable us to sneakily kill muslims
and create incidents where we make it look as if Daesh was responsible
making more muslim die
also a war means less people at the end, which is something europe needs.
>>77553224
In all honesty they wouldn't be there if Russia wasn't acting up like some SJW on crack. Fucking triggered by every small move NATO makes.
>>77559021
You are an idiot that has no idea about actual usefulness of nuclear weaponry, let alone the fact that eu and us are far more likely to have more actually working nuclear arsenal than russia.
>>77556644
i didn't read the email leaks the post
>>77565823
Russia aren't the ones who go crying to the world media like pussy little bitches every time one of their boats or planes gets intercepted.
>>77565251
The point was that we have a fucked up government that is eager to rattle sabers at Russia unprovoked but won't make any effort to defend its people when they're actually threatened.
>>77562122
Russia has some of the best missile tech in the world, the U.S military over the past 30 years is geared to go against and enforce it's policy on third world countries.
all those unstoppable apaches to third world sand niggers would be shot down immediately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEZccL-1k4&spfreload=10
>>77564811
Why would Russia need a new 5 million people who will actively work against them.
Russia knows so they would genocide and deport the local population and bring in more vatniks.
If there is a conflict with Russia it's until the last blood drop. There is no such option as to lose.
>>77565823
>In all honesty they wouldn't be there if Russia wasn't acting up like some SJW on crack. Fucking triggered by every small move NATO makes.
Nigger you what.
We cant even send tank brigade to field tests with out baltshits start crying about imminent annexation.
>>77565008
>Russia isn't making plans to steamroll the remaining white areas of Europe
>>77565465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2u4dlZBHE
>>77565466
This too
Any European, particularly East European supporting Russia's actions is retarded or Russian.
>>77566132
Because Russia did actually annex territory from one of its neighbors. NATO hasn't done shit in years, it was even hardly relevant until Putin made it relevant again. Remember how nations like the UK were even debating if they should get rid of their nuclear weapons before the invasion of Ukraine?
>>77566410
>Because Russia did actually annex territory from one of its neighbors.
Proofs?
> Remember how nations like the UK were even debating if they should get rid of their nuclear weapons before the invasion of Ukraine?
Do they even had "they own nuclear arsenal"
I thought that uk renting nukes from you.
>>77560715
you guys are really fucked.
>>77565595
Youre soldiers will never step their boots on the Atlantic ocean. Youre people are racial mixed just like USA and west Europe. Youre country is giant on weak legs, you can throw youre thousands of asians peasants, because they will be weak at combat.
>>77565924
Yeah but Hillary Clinton was selling uranium to the russians. Then Obama gave a ton to iran with schematics and a few billion dollars.
Theyre arming our enemies, disarming us and pulling our fangs and cutting out our tongues, and purposely antagonizing russia over the ukraine in which they had schemed up and started the conflict.
>>77553224
who is paying for this..?
>>77558676
Focken dipshit, eat russian dicks for all i care
>>77566834
dude, we have 7000 nukes.
seven fucking thousand.
which, in a few hours, could be on planes and boats and everything else and fucking shit up.
just active forces, we have 500 minuteman-3 ICBMs in the tubes ready to go right now.
each missile has 3 MIRVs. each MIRV is 550kt yield.
yeah, we aren't the big bad bear we were of the cold war.
but make no fucking mistake, americas nuclear arsenal is ready.
Russia would do the west a favor by starting a war, all the sjw and tolerance shit would end when people would have real problems.
Just do it igor
>>77566410
>Because Russia did actually annex territory
yet you seem surprised that Russia
>Fucking triggered by every small move NATO makes
while NATO countries did actualy started bunch of wars under bullshit reasons, go figure...
>>77566763
>poleshit bein annaly ravaged again
Alteast something in this world are still stable.
>>77554528
why do you people do not think beyond the initial invasion
russia has enough of the baltics and poland and they know what it costs to hold unto them not to mention the hostile elements would just seep into russia and start sabotaging any other efforts
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>>77567059
>but make no fucking mistake, americas nuclear arsenal is ready.
Is it though? If you've lived through the floppy disk era you'd know they're horribly unreliable, plus usa is manning their launch sites with the worst of the worst it's like a dumping ground for their army.
>>77567206
You people are fucking autistic. He has a dynamic ip
>>77567259
>usa is manning their launch sites with the worst of the worst
what meme is this?
yeah sure in the cold war the pot smoking hippies in the titan 2s were shit but modern day missile crewman spend hundreds of hours in training.
also, the failsafes within the system mean that if the retards unnaground are dead or are traitors and don't fire, america can still fire all the missiles remotely.
it really is a beautiful thing, how it all works together.
>>77567059
Doesnt really matter when the outcome of a full nuclear exchange between russia and the U.S is basically the end of the world.
there is no winner or better, only takes so many to poison the earth for the next 1,000 years.
>>77566585
Look up the Minsk II agreements, Russia admits that it is in Ukraine.
"Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres (31 mi) apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70 kilometres (43 mi) for multiple rocket launchers (MRLS) and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems:"
MLRS Tornado-S is only produced and operated by Russia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_II
How can Russian diplomats be so stupid?
>>77567107
No point in arguing with him, for Westerns everything Russia does = bad, and even the good things Russia tries to do always get called out as having some ulterior motive.
Americans are so self-absorbed, they think they won WW 2 by themselves, all they teach in the history books for high school here about the great patriotic war is Hitler, muh Holocaust, D-day and the nukes on the nips.
>>77565466
>several million people
Just don't talk about things you have no idea about.
>>77567385
personally I doubt that it would be a full on MAD thing.
probably would be a hundred or so either side at the start. then conventional war, then a few more, then conventional war, repeat.
kinda like the sandbox, it would be one gigantic attack, then a massive war, then every now and then a few medium attacks, and then a bunch of absolutely insane attacks from both sides.
>>77567411
Not everything Russia does. Everything Putin does. It is only designed to serve him and his little mafia within the government. This includes the invasion of Ukraine.
>>77560766
Gee, why doesn't anybody trust the Russians?...
Why is it every army chair general knows how WW3 will plan out.
You all think it would be this great WW2 reenactment.
Guys it will be a nuclear exchange. IT will be MAD. LITERALLY M.A.D.
Mutually Assured Destruction. The earth will cease to exist. FUCKING IDIOTS.
>>77567584
You're just upset that your country has basically become evil incarnate and russia are the good guys now.
>>77567766
ironically, by saying that, you yourself become that what you despise; an armchair general
well done
>>77553224
Putin knows that there's a weak fag in the white house and he has just 6 months, which is too much temptation for him and his revanchist regime.
"If you want peace prepare for war" has never been truer. NATO is doing the only right thing to avoid war.
>>77566834
gave a ton to Iran? Are you talking about the conditions that Iran accepted to lift off the sanctions. Iran gave all its enrich source of Uranium to russia and in turn recieved yellowcake, which is unenriched form of uranium. Iran also disable the facilities it has that was used to process uranium, filled the channels with cement making it inoperable.
Iran has no way to make nuclear weapons what so ever. According to the deal.
>>77567819
No, It is understanding geopolitics. Something a lot forget about.
>>77567309
((((JEW)))
>This thread not understanding how NATO's Aegis countermeasures work.
>This thread not realizing that all conventional forces in Europe will e rendered useless with the use of tactical nukes.
>>77567819
This crippled observation is lame and unnecessary in the face of the fact he stated. Your insinuated sentiment makes you seem childish for demeaning something as critical as said post.
>>77567785
You are just upset that the best Australia could do is threaten to shirtfront Putin and you didn't even deliver there.
How disappointing, like your wildfires.
>>77567407
>Pull-out of all heavy weapons by "both sides"
>and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems
>MLRS Tornado-S
Do you actually have pictures of that on ukrainan territory.
Or this claims are from "Anonymous super classified twiter informator" ?
The only thing that separatist have is BM 21.
>>77568200
Your diplomats admitted to it, get used to having shit leaders.
>>77563131
>Glassing one of few potential allies
Ivan, that's not how wars work
>>77565588
That's a problem here
Does Russia get immense butt hurt if they're pushed back to their borders?
They should be good sports and let that happen without resorting to le nukes.
I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to cross Russia's border after their forces have been pushed back.
>>77554959
Don't forget we don't even need to provoke them, they may just decide to show up one day without any sort of warning.
>>77567973
>"I don't understand how unique IDs work"
>>77568289
>Your diplomats admitted to it
You have no idea how this work, dont you?
>>77568503
nice edit schlomo
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>Published in January.
>>77568525
I don't think your diplomats did, it's why they admitted to Russian equipment being in Ukraine. And it does count even if they were "drunk".
>>77567373
have you been following your news lmao
you guys have so many nuclear mishaps im surprised we're not all dead already
Those armies aren't to fight Russia, they're to subjugate Poland for refusing to cultural enrichment by the jewish banker's mudslime/nigger horde.
Anyone else thinks the clusterfuck of the middle-east was so that the west don't have to worry about an invasion from the south (migrant crisis don't count) and just focus on the east.
>>77553224
An EU army narrative would have a great effect if Russia were to attack or if an "accident" were to occur in the following weeks. They're afraid of the EU fragmenting due to the Brexit and are will try anything to rally the member countries under a common cause. In this case, the preservation of their sovereignties due to a threat that no one country could manage to contain on its own - Zombie Commie Ivan.
NATO doesn't have a reason to exist without a common enemy. That's why they're trying so hard to provoke Russia into war. A war against a common foe would further serve to unify the countries of the EU, keep NATO relevant, and make a lot of money for the rich folks behind the curtains. It must not happen.
>>77559374
>implying Trump wins election
Trump already lost
>>77569200
Nah, it's much easier to pay off dictators who are in charge of very little. Like Saddam or Gaddafi. It was stupid to take them out, dealing with radicals is almost impossible.
>>77569200
>migrant crisis don't count
AYY LMAO
>>77561146
Nnnooo fuck you, whack both the bribe giver to the tune of 25% on top of what you confiscated from the bribe itself, and literally whack or exile the accepting party.
Is Poland in the book of revelations?
