Should the AR-15 be banned? YES
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Another one of these threads.
So why do you faggots think you're entitled to an AR-15?
>Muh second amendment
The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
Give me one good reason why you should be able to own an AR-15.
>Muh self-defense
There are other guns you can choose faggot
>Muh "shall not be infringed"
Regulations =/= infringement
Seriously give me a reason. Just one
Pro-tip: you can't
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>1 post by this id
>>77537922
What difference would it make? They'll just buy a different semi-automatic rifle, like the Orlando killer did.
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
Actually, it does, dipshit.
How do you propose to take my guns away from me?
Because we need them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OhBBC_Cyeo
All guns should be banned from civilian use.
((((YOU))))
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
Why not?
>>77537922
You're right. Going to trade mine in for a life preserver and safety helmet tomorrow.
>all these single post ids
leave shill
>>77537922
So go for the 2/3 states required to repeal it.
Oh wait, you can't.
Bye, Felicia.
>>77537922
Actually, regulation necessarily means infringement. Also give me your plan for firearm confiscation if you are so against them.
I just cranked out 500rds of 300blk on my dillon xl650, just because you anti gun faggots are making me nervous.
Because our founding fathers decided civilians needed to protect themselves from a tyrannical government
Which is still very possible.
>>77537922
You have to go back.
>>77537922
Sage
>>77537922
>Ban =/= Infrigement
Saged.
>>77538171
i like that
banning the ar-15 limits my 2nd amendment. So banning any weapon is infringing on my rights. [See Bill of Rights amendment II]
>>77537922
>There are other guns you can choose faggot
So a SIG MCX, or an SKS, or an AK, which would make banning ARs purely symbolic, and very fucking stupid then?
>>77537922
how about we shoot you instead.
>>77538156
>Teh 2nd amendment is an unlimited right
Retard
>>77538299
Why does it? Because you want to act like a big man and stroke your ego.
>>77538153
True he'd probs just get like an ARX
>>77537922
Gas the shills
Meme war now
>>77537922
>1 post by this ID
Sage
>>77537922
>So why do you faggots think you're entitled to an AR-15?
Because I'm an American citizen and i have the power to arrest you if you're breaking the law, and kill you if you're on my personal property and/or endangering me/the public at large. Fuck you faggot OP you're too weak to kill or defend yourself so not only do you want the police to protect you, but you want the strong to be made weak. Be greateful a lot of your countrymen are armed to the teeth and have taken up the responsibility that comes with owning a gun. We are here to protect each other as fellow citizens, we dont need the state protecting us in our own country, theyre supposed to protect us from foreign dangers not domestic ones. Theres ppl out there right now that would gun down a stranger trying to hurt others in public and would defend you, a complete stranger. You're an unamerican piece of shit fundamentally opposed to the american spirit of freedom and self reliance
>>77537922
>Let's just ignore than most gun crimes are done with handguns, and not assault rifles.
>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
It actually does though.
>>77537922
What part of:
SHALL.
NOT.
BE.
INFRINGED.
Don't you understand you pinko commie faggot?
>>77538709
LEGALIZE AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLES DON'T INFRINGE ON ME RIGHTs
>>77537922
nice numbers
>>77537922
an ar-15 is just an m16 used in vietnam
it's an outdated weapon, fires very slowly, takes a few shots to kill, and omar mateen wasn't alone
>one post by id
fuck off
>>77538439
After 'ol Sandy Panic I started buying AR15 stripped lowers like crazy. I've accrued so many that I've started stashing them like Escobar with his money. I've bought so many Pelican cases it's absurd.
>>77537922
>the 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle
>I believe that if it were necessary to raise the militia, arms would be dispensed by the rifle fairy
In other words, you don't understand the thing you're pontificating about to begin with, so no one cares.
>>77537922
>Regulations =/= infringement
um sage
>>77538507
Trump was a draft dodger. Image is hardly appropriate for a coward.
>>77538709
I'm not deciding what citizens should be able to own. But you won't have the right if Congress defies the NRA and does something to ban AK 15s and other high capacity assault rifles or at least the add-ons and high capacity bullet clips. By the way about 80% of Americans, in numerous Polls, think Military Assault Rifles should be banned again, so you are not in a majority opinion. Also don't be so high and mighty, my family has been in America since the 1740s, and fought in the Revolutionary War and every war since too, not that it anoints me with more rights than later arriving immigrants have. The chances anyone would need to be able to shoot as many as 700 to 900 rounds a minute to defend themselves is almost nil. Thinking anything different in my opinion is paranoia, especially if the add-ons clips and bullets are banned as they were in the 1990s until the law expired. Also... the shooter in Orlando who killed 50 people, was radicalized, mentally ill, and violent and was not properly vetted at all, even though he was investigated and on a terrorist watch list at one time. He bought his AK 15 in just a few days, his gun was apparently modified, and at times he was shooting at the rate of 700 bullets per minute according to the authorities. I am of the opinion that Congress should make common sense limits on the firearms citizens can own, and make them much harder to purchase. You and I disagree and there is no reason for cussing and disrespect. I have probably been around a lot longer than you, I'm 65 and while I won't play the "age card" I believe I may have some perspectives and experiences in life that you may not have. When I was a kid it was illegal to own Military Grade Automatic Rifles, what we used to call machine guns. WWII vets in Congress saw the horrors of war with machine guns and they were banned my friend. Now all hell has broken loose and America in general is multiple times more violent. It is very sad.......
>>77537922
the second amendment entitles you to the same fucking weapons a tyrant would be using to impose their authority.
>>77537922
The 1st ammendment does not protect Islam. It only protects Christian denominations. Prove me wrong, libtards.
I would never own one, but I think it's important that people have the right to purchase them.
1. Our country is being divided by the powers that be. There could very well be a civil war in our lifetime, why the fuck should we be disarming the citizens? Fuck that.
2. We are in an ideological war with Islam. Why would we disarm our citizens when the terrorists won't disarm?
3. We've all seen the attacks that liberals made on conservatives at Trump rallies. You think those faggots would talk shit if he got a pistol put in his face?
>but muh mass shootings
People do terrible shit. That's not gonna change without guns.
Although I do think that to purchase there should be a better process to look into you. Backround checks, etc.
>>77537922
So boring.
Earned your $0.15 yet?
It's a military weapon, there's no reason civilians should own this shit. If you want to shoot it, join the fucking army.
>>77537922
Other than its low recoil depending on cartridge , shooter friendly and just fun?
People can get into competing and participating in them depending where you are can give you a scholarship for college , helps taking out invasive species and hunting in general , perfect for self defense if used with the right round lastly just to have great fun.
Also the rare chance your in a horrid situation like Katrina or the recent riots it helps deter mobs and people along with having the firepower to back it up because like those scenario's cops were not able to help.
So fuck you , I like my rifle so here's a pic of my baby.
THIS IS A SHILL THREAD
SAGE AND IGNORE PEOPLE
>>77537922
the 2A specifically exists so that civilians are as well-armed as infantry soldiers.
that means assault rifles, machine guns, APCs, RPGs -- all of it.
>>77537922
I think they should make a semi auto only, civilian version of the Ar15 military assault weapon.
That seems reasonable.
>>77539183
>and America in general is multiple times more violent
except thats not true yamamoto
In general, violence not just in the Us but globally is decreasing.
>>77539412
the AR15 IS semi automatic.
>>77537922
>Seriously give me a reason. Just one
>Pro-tip: you can't
Anyone who whines about an AR15 being some kind of bad ass assault rifle doesn't know the first thing about guns.
Pro-Tip: You're an idiot
>>77537922
Lead the confiscation, you pussy ass nigger.
I'll be waiting.
>>77539372
>it's a military weapon
>that no military in the world uses
>>77538947
>Leaf
>Handguns
I can't stop all gun crime leafy.
>>77538897
>Fuck you faggot OP you're too weak to kill or defend yourself so not only do you want the police to protect you, but you want the strong to be made weak
So if I take away your AR-15 your just a little kid? Figures.
>We are here to protect each other as fellow citizens, we dont need the state protecting us in our own country,
WOT
>>77539218
You want a fucking drone?
>>77539387
>opinions I don't like are shills
Kill yourself Trumpfag
>>77539483
Even if this were true (it's clearly not), you shouldn't go around spreading pro-gun, racist propaganda like that.
>>77539183
>I'm 65
>When I was a kid it was illegal to own Military Grade Automatic Rifles, what we used to call machine guns.
Unless you're fucking Benjamin Button, no, it absolutely wasn't.
Pro tip
single post ids are shills
>>77538281
Edgy
>The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
2nd Amendment protects use of all weapons in common use for lawful purposes
tfw the AR-15 is literally the most popular rifle platform in the country and is literally the most protected firearm under the 2nd amendment.
>>77539183
Dericious
>>77537922
(((VGZ+Jltv)))
The second amendment exists ENTIRELY as a threat to the government itself. The fucking thing entitles you to aircraft carriers, fighter jets, drones, tanks, and even nukes.
Why the fuck do you retards interpret this shit without even looking into what the founding fathers themselves felt?
its there to give the govt something to reconsider if it starts overstepping its bounds.
you need a populace to be similarly armed to an infantryman to make that work.
>>77537922
No, but it shouldn't matter because 7.62 all day every day
>>77538281
>All guns should be banned from civilian use.
>>77538800
>Can't make a counterargument
>resorts to ad hominem (see: retard, you want to stroke your ego)
>admits his opinion is fundamentally flawed (see. He'd just get an ARX)
2/10 bait made me reply
>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
yes it does.
>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
Where does it state that it does NOT give me the right to own a 30 round rifle?
Do you leftist cunts even understand that it's not the fucking RIFLE that has 30 rounds, but the MAGAZINE?!?
So, what you're REALLY about is magazine size control. I have hunting rifles that would do much more damage at much greater range, but you don't seem to be calling out for any legislation against them, so it's a magazine size issue. Got it. You're just too dumb to even know what you want, because like any leftist cunt trash, you're about incremental reduction toward an end goal of nothing, and that's not going to happen.
t. guy who is buying his Ruger AR-556 with 4 extra 30 round magazines tomorrow because he hates your type so much, I'm buying it out of sheer spite for your ilk.
anyone else personally anti gun and pro 2A?
I don't like them but I support law abiding American's right to own.
0/10
SAGE
>>77539506
>Anyone who whines about an AR15 being some kind of bad ass assault rifle doesn't know the first thing about guns.
When did I say it was an assault rifle?
>>77539662
If we got one semi-auto rifle off the market. I'd feel good.
>Can't make a counter argument
No right is unlimited. Look it up
Oh and
>1 post by this ID
If you don't think my right to own a weapon is inviolable then please, try to violate it. I can hit you in the pupil at a mile. And I have thousands of rounds of ammo.
>>77539506
They can be badass. Hush ya queer
>>77538947
There is no such thing as an 'Assault Rifle'. It a made up term libels use to scare stupid people and other liberals.
But I repete myself.
Its like calling Camaros 'Assault Vehicles' becasue a couple of them have run down some kids
>>77539036
>an ar-15 is just an m16 used in vietnam
Not even close.
M-16's can go full-auto
>>77539677
>So, what you're REALLY about is magazine size control
If I said magazine control you'd bitch and whine too so STFU. Besides "ban the AR-15" is the big thing going around.
>guy who is buying his Ruger AR-556 with 4 extra 30 round magazines tomorrow because he hates your type so much
K have fun jerking yourself off thinking you're a big guy
>>77539744
You're a unicorn m8.
>>77539183
Gun control doesn't work. Most mass shootings happen in "gun-free" zones where everyone is fish in a barrel
>>77537922
>Give me one good reason why you should be able to own an AR-15.
so i can shoot people
fuck off
>>77538411
Check'd. Agreed. And saged.
>>77537922
>the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.
Shall not be infringed.
Putting a limit on the types of arms, or on features like round capacity is infringing that person's ability to bear those arms.
Infringing the ability to bear certain arms is infringing the right to bear them.
Would banning assault rifles even do jack shit in the U.S? The sheer amount of firearms available along with the massive love of guns that their culture possesses makes it seem like this shit wouldn't do a damn thing besides piss off roughly half the population and give the other half smug boners.
>>77537922
Fuck off, reddit.
>>77537922
The 1st amendment does not entitle you to posting on 4chan faggot. If you want to shitpost get yourself a printing press.
>>77540376
Hello Ivan. Show your nugget.
>>77540521
Are you the same Romania guy who I was arguing with earlier? I was arguing with like 4 of you and you told me to name features of the AR-15 I don't need
The Militia Act of 1903 requires all able bodied men between the ages of 17-45 to be able to serve in the reserve militia (formed as necessary, different from national guard).
US militias are also expected to arm themselves.
Therefore to participate as an effective militia, citizens should be able to purchase weaponry comparable to military army (ar15s)
Sure, why not. The only features it has over semi-automatic hunting riffles is a hair trigger and the fact that it LOOKS like a military weapon and has modular military features that aren't actually any use in a mass killing situation or any situation outside of a covert military one and so are only there to make the owner feel like a bad ass. So why not.
>>77537922
There is no logical argument for banning assault weapons, only emotional.
>B-BUT MUH GUN CRIME
Less than 1% of gun homicides are committeed using rifles. The Assault Weapons Ban enacted from 1994-2004 had 0 effect on gun crime.
>B-BUT MUH MASS SHOOTINGS
During the time period the AWB was in place, numerous mass shootings occurred including the infamous North Hollywood Shootout and the Columbine shootings. In addition, the second deadliest mass shooting in US history was committed using only handguns (Virginia Tech). Not to mention the fact that there are numerous other ways terrorists can kill large numbers of people without using a firearm (Boston Bombing, Oklahoma City, etc.)
>B-BUT YOU DON'T NEEEED IT
Does the Westboro Baptist Church NEED to hold up signs that say God Hates Fags and God Hates Dead Soldiers? Does the Nation of Islam NEED to say that white people are the devil? Of course not, but it's there constitutional right to do so.
>>77540692
>gyppos laying down the bantz
Who knew
>>77540471
That depends on what you mean by "assault rifle." In military terms, that's a selective-fire long arm, which are already so heavily regulated as to make to difference.
If you mean "semi-automatic rifle," then banning the sale of such would only piss people off.
Banning their possession would literally start a civil war.
>>77537922
> Be OP
> Want AR-15 banned
> Not realize that there are literally hundreds of different rifles of equal capability
#CheckYourIgnorance
>>77540244
It takes a trained user < 6 seconds to reload, how far can you run in 6 seconds?
>Hint: For 99% of people, not very far.
What's stopping a terrorist from carrying 3x as many magazines? The weight will be approximately the same, and the reloading time negligible.
You need to educate yourself.
>>77540974
>to difference
Or even NO difference.
>I shall continue to drink post and you can't stop me!
>>77538411
KEK WILLS IT
>>77538495
the implication that the founding fathers were aware of the weapon is not necessarily true
:^) just saying
>>77540927
That's exactly what liberals are though. All feels and no logic
>>77537922
shill thread. There are two of these literally one after another on page 1 right now.
>>77528531
>>77540927
>Less than 1% of gun homicides are committeed using rifles
Citation needed
>>77540927
>The Assault Weapons Ban enacted from 1994-2004 had 0 effect on gun crime.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/guns-like-the-ar-15-were-never-fully-banned/
>>77541248
You'd be deluding yourself if you said you didn't act on feels. What do you think the "degeneracy" meme
>>77537922
If there's another shooting i hope you're gunned down, fucking sage faggot. How much is that kike soros paying you btw
>>77541152
The founding fathers fought against the British army. The 2nd amendment was written with the intent of allowing citizen soldiers to overthrow a tyrannical government as they just had.
Why the fuck would they ever purposely handicap their militias to using inferior weapons to that of their enemies?
>>77537922
OP, do you have any actual arguments, or is it just adhominems and muh feels?
Give me a reason firearms should be banned, and I'll give you a reason you're a moron whose opinion is based on lies, half-truths, or propaganda outright.
>>77541326
>What do you think of the degeneracy meme
It's a meme and is only used by edgelords. What's your point?
>>77541326
Homicide table 8 on the FBI website
>>77541326
>Citation needed
Here's FBI statistics.
>>77537922
Why should the AR-15 in particular be banned?
Despite your flag, you might as well be A FUCKING LEAF
The AR-15 is extremely restricted in Canada, yet the T-97 is not, despite them being functionally the fucking same gun - the AR-15 just "looks scarier".
Fuck off cunt.
>>77541442
A lot of these retards think its real. Same with gay marriage that's an idea that's just based on feels. Everyone acts on feels that's my point
>>77540719
Not me but you're free to go ahead and explain why an AR pattern rifle is so much more dangerous than some gas, fertilizer and a spark. Or an SKS/PSL with a drum made by Bubba in his shed.
>>77537922
How do you know what the constitution entitles us too fag? Kys
>>77537922
Sop abbreviating it, call it what it is/ ASSAULT RIFLE 15!!
>>77538897
ITT: the cringe is real
>>77537922
Fuck off shill
>>77537922
>give me one good reason why you should be able to own an AR-15
S H A L L
>regulations =/= infringement
If something is regulated out of existence, it is a violation of the right
>>77537922
I believe we should keep them legal but make all these little minor laws that will get you thrown in jail for life if you break one and have an ar-15.
>>77537922
OP doesn't know what an AR-15 is.
>>77541535
If we could save just even 5 lives I'd do it
>>77541654
>you're free to go ahead and explain why an AR pattern rifle is so much more dangerous than some gas, fertilizer and a spark. Or an SKS/PSL with a drum made by Bubba in his shed.
When did I say it was? But we can't just ban fucking fertilizer. And we can't stop all people from making drum magazines
>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
sure it does
why not?
ITT OP doesn't know what going to the range is.
>>77541424
Thank you, based leaf
>>77541584
Being for marriage equality because you believe the government has no right to be in charge of marriage isn't based on feels though
>>77538304
don't forget your mouth guard
>>77541326
Furthermore, here's the effects of firearm bans in australia, which occured in 1996
You can see the clear effect it didn't have on the homicide and crime rates.
That's because -and I know it's difficult for retards like you to comprehend- firearms do not make people go out and commit crimes.
People who want to commit crimes look for tools that let them do that. If there are no guns, they use something else.
>>77538964
People can buy NFA regulated items if they submit fingerprints, gain approval from the local sheriff, and pay an additional $200 tax.
>>77541851
>If we could save just even 5 lives I'd do it
So why aren't you arguing in favor of banning pools, or cars? Or kitchen utensils, or anything else?
You want society to live in prisons. Go fuck yourself.
>>77537922
>Give me one good reason why you should be able to own an AR-15
So I could potentially harm the government that can also field such weapons and more.
>>77541424
>The founding fathers fought against the British army.
don't forget they had the help of the French, and that the cocksucking British were undermined because of their commanders gambling debts
>>77537922
>Seriously give me a reason. Just one
STATISTICALLY
IRRELEVANT
>>77542054
Spotted the scared Juden
>>77542054
thank you for this image, a good friend of mine was in that movie, he survived the camps
>>77541326
>Citation needed
I misspoke, the actual number is around 1.5%.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls
>http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/guns-like-the-ar-15-were-never-fully-banned/
The article clearly states that the AR15 and similarly styled rifles were banned, which both I and the article points out had no effect on gun crime. There were still some semi auto rifles available, but again, even in the 90's, homicides committed by semi autos was less than 5% of all gun homicides.
>>77537922
We arent entitled to one. We are able to buy one if we have the money
>>77541972
I DONT WANT TO BAN ALL GUNS! WHY CAN'T YOU FUCKERS GET THAT!?
>>77541928
I didn't elaborate my bad. I meant conservatives who were against gay marriage were just acting on feels. Everyone acts at least in part on feels
>>77539183
thas some good ramen
If ar-15 gets banned, mass shooters will choose the next best rifle.
>>77542284
>I DONT WANT TO BAN ALL GUNS! WHY CAN'T YOU FUCKERS GET THAT!?
Because people like you are nothing but liars. Now you're trotting out the "muh compromise" trope.
Pic related.
>>77541654
This
If someone wants to kill a lot of people, they do not need a gun to do it. Creating explosives is easy. Creating chemical weapons is so easy people on /b/ troll people into accidentally creating mustard gas. Hell, one of our oldest tools, FIRE, is also one of our deadliest.
If you somehow manage to fully remove all guns, potential explosives, potential chemical weapons, and potential firestarters - a criminal will still just beat the shit out of the victim.
>b-but you can defend yourself more easily against an unarmed attacker!
No you fucking can't. A criminal will almost certainly have more experience in fighting than a civilian. The criminal might also be bigger than you.
Let's say a 6'3" criminal male is attacking a 5'2" civilian female. Do you seriously think she'll have a better chance of self-defence if she's unarmed, or if they're shooting at each other? Shit, if they're shooting at each other, the female probably has a better chance since she's a smaller target than the criminal, and if the shootout is happening at her home, she also knows the terrain.
TL;DR version - even if you could 100% remove all guns from a country, gun control STILL wouldn't make sense
>>77537922
http://www.assaultweapon.info/
fuck off
>>77541972
None of this matters. We hve guns as a check to goernment power and because we belive in the individuals right to defense and to stand on ones own, and not disarmed collectivist cuckery
>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
show me the part where it says "No AR-15s"
>>77542388
>>77542284
And here's what the politicians really think about guns.
Gun owners aren't blind and stupid liberals. We see through your lies, your propaganda, your obfuscation of statistical evidence.
When you say, "w-we j-just want to ban AR-15's to make everyone safer!" what you really mean is, "We want to ban AR-15's today, All semi-autos tomorrow, and all handguns the day after. And if we can't get those bans through, we'll just force you to store them in secure facilities and use brinks security trucks to move them to licensed ranges"
You disingenuous lying leftist shits can all go fuck yourselves.
>>77541851
>But we can't just ban fucking fertilizer
It's a lot more dangerous when used for the "other" purpose.
>And we can't stop all people
But you can eliminate all the millions of ARs....ok
>If we could save just even 5 lives I'd do it
Creme de la fucking creme. How about over tens of thousand of lives from car crashes m8? Would you ban cars also? How about millions of lives from cardiovascular diseases fag? Would you ban spoons?
>>77542284
>I DONT WANT TO BAN ALL GUNS! WHY CAN'T YOU FUCKERS GET THAT!?
You want to ban one gun for no fucking reason other than "muh feels"
If anything, you're fucking worse than someone who DOES want to ban all guns. At least they're consistent.
>>77542244
>The report noted that several semi-automatic rifles were functionally equivalent to the AR-15 and untouched by the ban.
WOT looks like they were still there lad.
>>77542388
You can't call me a liar when you're literally a fucking leaf. I'm not compromising with you I'm fucking taking half of your cake whether you like it or not
So because of this shooting, does this mean sig rifles go on sale? I would mind picking up one. Especially on such a well proven and reliable weapon system that takes this man into 3rd place
Rifles are used in less than 300 murders a year in the US. Less than knives, on par with bludgoning weapons
>>77542637
>Can eliminate all of teh ARs
Well probably not
>How about over tens of thousand of lives from car crashes m8? Would you ban cars also? How about millions of lives from cardiovascular diseases fag? Would you ban spoons?
Really nigga? This fucking meme?
Fine /pol you fought well
>>77542284
That makes more sense but I don't consider myself conservative or liberal. I try to take feels out of my political opinions as much as possible
>>77542667
>I'm fucking taking half of your cake whether you like it or not
I have a gun, millions of other people like me also have guns.
YOU aren't taking half my cake, you're trying to get the government to take half my cake. A government who will have to use guns to do it by force.
You're nothing but a coward.
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Dammit these threads are just making my shopping list longer. Also: saged
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I prefer a saiga 12 for domestic dindu defense™.
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>>77541152
There were repeating gun designs and prototypes during the revolution, moron. They were just too expensive and unreliable at the time to purchase, mass-produce, and arm themselves with. It doesn't mean that they didn't foresee a day when they were possible.
>>77542882
more people die from drinking fucking bleach
>>77542667
>I'm not compromising with you I'm fucking taking half of your cake whether you like it or not
No, you're really not. You have neither the support nor the manpower.
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>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
SHALL
I shall post this again
>US bans "assault rifles"
>government spends millions confiscating guns from people
>gun companies lose tons business due to the ban and the new social stigma of buying any kind of weapons
>they go under and thousands lose their jobs
>liberals go to bed smiling because they feel that they saved the country
p
>>77540149
Assault rifle absolutely is a real term. Assault rifles are automatic, use an intermediate cartridge and have 'high capacity' magazines. This doesn't apply to civilian AR-15s.
'Assault weapon' is the made up term with no definition that liberals use to scare soccer moms.
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>>77542895
ban assault swimming pools you stupid faggot
more children drown in them than people die to semi-automatic rifles annually
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>>77537922
reeli maykes yew thinck
>>77542895
So ~600.000 is just a meme. But saving 5 is worth infringing on the rights of over 300 million.
>>77537922
everyone report and sage this shitty bait thread
>>77537922
I have a right to possess whatever weaponry the government has. PERIOD.
kkk
>>77542653
Why does that foreigner have any input on what America does or does not do with her firearms?
hhh
>>77537922
Communist nigger faggot, tell me where you live so I can skin you alive.
Give me one good reason why you have the right to live
>Pro-tip: you can't
>>77537922
> 1 post by this (((ID)))
>2nd ammendment doesn't entitle you...
The constitution doesn't create rights, it ensures them; your creator gave you thr right to be armed, sufficiently, for self-defense against all who might violate your innate human rights, including the government. How is that so controversial, or difficult to comprehend?
>>77537922
Ok, ban the AR-15, it's to scary.
Next week, a mall gets shot up by two people with shotguns
>omg look at that destruction! Nobody should own a item that can create such gruesome wounds!
ok we ban shotguns they're scary
Next week, a man with an long rifle that has a scope and is of higher caliber with the same capacity as the origional AR-15 kills a bunch of people from on top of a building
>That gun had a scope! nobody should be able to kill people from so far away! Ban the sniper rifles!
Since you gun grabbers know nothing about guns, effectively all rifles that CAN be fitted with a scope are banned
Then, finally, some badass quick draws his pistol and kills 5 people before anyone knows whats going on.
>nobody should be able to have a gun that can be drawn so quickly!
Ban pistols
We know have only muskets and weird old foreign rifles that can't be properly fitted with scopes.
>these relics of the past have no place in modern society! Why would you even want some old gun from WWI or WWII? Are you a Nazi or something?
And then, because liberals know nothing about history nor do they value it, we would lose those too.
Come take mine.
One of us will die.
>>77541851
>If we could save just even 5 lives I'd do it
Then why not ban knives as well? They're responsible for over 1,500 deaths every year, far more than the ~200 caused by rifles.
Also, as already stated, banning AR15's had "no discernible effect" on gun crime/homicides according to the FBI.
>>77543377
Because Clarkson can't punch for shit.
>>77539560
If you don't like being called a shill, perhaps you should make yourself distinguishable from one.
Because you present points in line with Hillary shill's stated agenda, argue in an uninformed and only-financially-invested fashion, and your vernacular just really puts cement in the post-hole dug for the massive red flag.
>>77537922
t. an enormous faggot
>>77543050
It's irrelevant anyway - the commercially available AR-15s in the USA are not full-auto.
Getting a fully automatic weapon in the USA is very difficult due to all the regulations
Which is kind of weird since full-auto isn't very useful in combat situations and especially not useful for mass shooters. Hell, I wish more mass shooters would use a fully automatic weapon, because then they'd just dump their ammo faster, hit less people, and ultimately kill far fewer people. Unfortunately, most mass shooters have a basic understanding of guns, and thus know that using a fully automatic weapon would be counter-productive to their goals.
Fuck, even some of the loudest SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED people don't really give a fuck about the restrictions on fully automatic weapons, because they know it's not really all that useful. It's best use is for suppressing fire, and even then semi-auto can do that too.
Restricting full-auto is retarded. If anything, more fully automatic weapons would mean less gun deaths.
This is OP speaking I have officially decided to concede to the gunfags.
I now realize that banning AR-15s will do nothing considering you can just by the next best thing. Magazine limits won't do much either, considering you can just buy a 30 round magazine that's already in circulation or you could just make one yourself.
The only possible way I could see this working is if all 11+ round magazines were banned nationwide and maybe in like 60 years there won't be many left in circulation. And if all semi-auto military-styled rifles were banned nationwide and again like with magazines the circulation could be stopped.
First argument I've lost on /pol
>>77543309
Except this nigga here I need to kick your ass first. If you get in a car you accept the risk thats the fucking rule. Fuck off and die with these shit arguments.
>Infringing on muh rights
You don't have a right to own a semi auto military-styled rifle shithead. We're preventing your stupid ass from shooting up another nightclub.
>>77543682
Full auto is definitely overrated. Not accurate, just a waste of ammo. Way more prone to jamming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU
>>77538281
Painu sivari vittuun
>>77538947
>Let's just ignore that most crimes correlate to the rate of niggers, not the rate of guns
>>77537922
>entitled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
>>77537922
You can cause just as much damage with two semi-automatic pistols. It doesnt matter which guns you ban what matters is you can make sure you know who is buying them and for what purpose.
>>77543731
>Except this nigga here I need to kick your ass first. If you get in a car you accept the risk thats the fucking rule. Fuck off and die with these shit arguments.
I found the nigger guys, it was OP all along
Fucking absolute nigger, 100%
Good job OP, I'll murder a few niggers in your honor
>>77543731
Banning large magazines still won't stop shit, it's easy as fuck for criminals to either make their own or just tape two together for a quick-swap
>>77543633
>argue in an uninformed and only-financially-invested fashion
More informed than you. How would you possibly know if I'm financially invested anyway?
>>77543988
A magazine is just a little plastic box with a spring inside. That's it - people that harp on "high capacity assault clips" are ignorant and hysterical.
>>77543731
Don't think of discussions as arguments to be won or lost. Think of it as trying to find a mutual understanding.
THIS IS AN ORGANIZED SLIDE BY OUTSIDE FORCES TO PROVOKE /pol/ AND SLIDE OTHER TOPICS!
>>77537922
>Regulations =/= infringement
>Put into law a regulation that limits all civilian owned magazines and clips to holding a single bullet
>Legal guns are now effectively worthless
There is a point where regulations do indeed infringe upon a right.
>>77537922
yawn
ggg
>>77543945
>I'll murder a few niggers
You're gonna get fucking killed lol
rt
>>77537922
The second amendment guarantees that citizens should be able to own arms equivalent to the government.
If US soldiers are issued automatic weapons, then citizens are entitled and obligated to own such weapons.
ree
>>77543731
Since I'm a romanian you're right, I don't have the right. But even her in RO I can have the privilege of owning anything that is semi-auto and as far as I know there is no law in RO limiting the magazine capacity.
>We're preventing your stupid ass from shooting up another nightclub
No, if I was a murican you would be 1st infringing on my rights then 2nd disarming me in front of the PEACEFUL MUSLIM FAGGOT that actually shot those other fags.
>If you get in a car you accept the risk thats the fucking rule
If you LIVE you accept the risks AND the responsibilities and I'd think that's the actual rule. And I can't help but notice that cars kill a lot more while not being specifically made to kill while a firearm that's made to kill somehow can't do the job as good as a car...or a spoon.
>>77537922
So the question basically goes "Give me reasons to keep laws the way they are". It's your job to give argumented reasons not our's cuck. Your the fag trying to stick your hand into other man's pants.
>>77544409
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>>77543988
>>and everyone else who i can't be bothered to put here
i hope you guys are fucking sageing this shit
Anyway what do you niggers think about Obama's executive order on guns
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/01/04/fact-sheet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence-and-make-our
>>77544232
Oh look, the miserable, stupid fucking nigger has severe difficulty with reading comprehension.
>>77544533
Sageiiiiiiing ooooover the rainbow.
Hmm, rainbow....makes you think...
>>77538411
OP blown the fuck out.
>>77544596
Wot? You said you'e going to murder a few niggers. All you faggots do is complain about how violent niggers are. So you're brilliant plan is to go fight them? You will die. Good luck though Mohammed
EVERY GUN LAW IS AN INFRINGEMENT!
OP GO EAT A DICK
sagey sage
>>77537922
I'm gungendered and you can't deny my right to be myself.
>>77544975
Bump. You're a little too late btw
>>77539744
Right there with ya
>>77539183
you could buy military grade automatic rifles up until the 80s
>>77539744
I'm pro gun, pro 2A, anti carry. the average person is just too fucking stupid to have a loaded firearm in a public place.
permit to carry just serves as a 5 year permit to purchase for me.
>>77539183
Don't you have somewhere to glow.
>>77542054
Actually, gun control in Germany was only for the jews
Citizens could own firearms
>>77537922
I dont get to have a gun because im a felon. Seems stabbing a nigger is frowned upon here in america.
>bAn ThEm
Dude I just put together a rifle out of an 80% lower reciever, it has all the fun shit the mommy state of commiefornia says I can't have and its completely unregistered and I have 30 round mags I bought from an old friend from my Muhreen days.
I could've gotten on Gunbroker and given a cousin in a free state money to buy for me, have him sell it to me privately.
We will always find a way since its a right, whether it be an AR-15, a .22 squirrel gun, a bolt action or a fucking flintlock musket.
>>77537922
Yes. It's a meme-tier gun. Get a bullpup instead.
>>77537922
FACT: Omar Mateen didn't even use an AR-15
>>77537922
If you ban one of the most popular and most customizable rifles, then there will be a movement to ban them all.
>>77537922
>Regulations =/= infringement
Wrong
Infringment is the action of limiting or undermining something.
>>77537922
the second amendment exists to protect us from oppressive governments, them trying to ban weapons like that just shows why we need them
>>77537922
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
[citation needed]
Why do the people need to be specifically allowed a certain gun by the constitution when the government doesn't?
>>77537922
911 was performed with box cutters.
>>77538281
>All guns should be banned from civilian use.
Because governments have proven themselves to be the only ones who can responsibly kill people.
>>77537922
Want to stop crime? Ban niggers.
Want to stop terrorism? Ban sandniggers.
Any other argument is a red herring.
regulations == infringement
>>77538800
>guns scare me don't have them anymore please!
>>77539372
>It's a military weapon, there's no reason civilians should own this shit.
I'm a member of the unorganized militia according to the militia act.
>>77539372
>It's a military weapon
By the way, the ar 15 (ar stands for armalite not assault rifle) is the civilian version of the m-16 meaning it is by definition NOT a military weapon.
>>77546978
Until white people fuck their 2 year old sons and daughters and rob banks and shoot up schools.
>>77537922
>30 round rifle
>implying the magazine is one size
>implying pistols don't have drum mags
>implying the magazine is tied to the gun at all
>>77537922
If the 2nd amendment entitled Jefferson to a 20-round semi-automatic air rifle, I can own an AR-15 you stupid trolling shit.
>>77537922
You´re not even trying, senpai
>>77539183
>When I was a kid it was illegal to own Military Grade Automatic Rifles
It still is.
AR 15s aren't automatic or military grade they are semi-automatic (one bullet per trigger pull) civilian versions of the m-16.
Assault weapon was a term coined by a psychologist with the purpose to manipulate pussy ass hysterical women into being scared of black rifles with plastic on them.
>>77548169
the m-16 is a military adaption of the ar-15
>>77539931
>If we got one semi-auto rifle off the market. I'd feel good.
So its about your feelings and not about reality? you must be a woman.
>>77538800
>>Teh 2nd amendment is an unlimited right
>Retard
They could have outlawed the Puckle Gun, they did not. They could have outlawed rifled barrels, they did not. They could have outlawed the Belton flintlock, they did not. There was no limit on how many cannon your merchant ship could carry, but if you fired on NYC you were getting sunk, probably by other merchantmen and claiming Islam wouldn't help
>>77540863
not an argument
>245 replies
>>77537922
Because I want one and you're too much of a pussy ass nu male bitch to come take it.
>>77541049
Not to mention the fact that many people killed at the bataclan and the pulse night club simply laid down on the floor and cowered until they were shot.
Shooter could have used any gun and killed just as many people when they are such helpless sheep they lay there and wait to get shot.
One victim was on the glenn beck show today and talkied about how he laid on the ground for twenty five fucking minutes before he was shot 4 times. While he was laying there he notice the shooter was shooting people in the head so you know what he decided to do? he put his head under a fucking couch to protect it. This is a level of helplessness and stupidity that is beyond comprehension.
>>77537922
>Give me one good reason why you should be able to own an AR-15.
Because we have faith in our fellow man and as part of society understand the risk that comes with it. It is up to us to look after one another and if something bad happens it is not the guns fault it is that persons fault and the influences surrounding him.
Banning a gun is like saying, "Well I got Zika but I really like the feeling of mosquito's sucking me off"
>>77537922
it's called a level playing field faggot, Because when you need to defend yourself and your country you aren't going to use a pitchfork , you use whatever technology you can to win. But a bootlicking collaborator like yourself wouldn't know anything about that.
>>77538515
Holy Fuck, I didn't know this. Thank you based anon.
>>77537922
Regulations literally do equal infringement
>>77537922
>Another one of these threads.
So why do you faggots think you're entitled to spout your dumb ass opinions?
>Muh first amendment
The 1st amendment does not entitle you to spread your dumb ass opinion over the internet.
Give me one good reason why you should be able to use modern communication devices to spread your worldview
>Muh freedom of expression
there are other ways you can spread your opinion faggot
>Muh "free speech"
Hate speech=/= free speech
Seriously give me a reason. Just one Pro-tip: you can't
>>77538800
>Because you want to act like a big man and stroke your ego
Whoa whoa whoa, ease up on the projection there sonny. Just because guns represent manliness and are in a way phallic, doesn't mean you need to cry out from your lack of aforementioned masculinity.
>>77545062
Answer me this
Why should we ban the ar15?
You do know that ithe isn't even that powerful of a rifle and BTW "muh 30 round clipazines" is not an argument
Are you aware of the power of hunting rifles and how much more deadly they are compared to the AR? Do you understand that not all hunting is big game hunting alot of hunting does not need a 30+ caliber or the power of bigger cartridges the AR is a perfect gun for small game hunting
>>77540863
>1865
So the 13th amendment shouldn't apply as well?
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle.
Let me read the 2nd amendment to you. Like most of the amendments, it's pretty long, so get ready.
>A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
I don't think that said "right of the people to keep and bear arms unless they're dangerous."
>>77537922
/pol/ I don't know know how to feel.
Cop here.
Canadian Police are now issued C8 (M4) Carbines for most patrol vehicles. That being said, I'd take a local yokel with a AR-15 over 80% of my co workers in a fire-fight. Not to mention the LA robbery of 1996 had bros in guns shops offering LAPD guns for free to stop the threat.
Guns are either the best or worst thing in a stable western country.
Would Ameribros take the pigs' back in a firefight against kebab or an autist school shooter?
Why are leftist jimmies so rustled with the idea of a militia backing the cops up at a gay bar?
You were given them for a reason and you still haven't used them for that reason. Of course they'll take them away.
>>77537922
Because I'll fucking kill you if you try and take my freedom to defend myself from a tyrannical government?
I'm not entitled to shit.
How do yoy stop the cartels from stepping in and creating a rifle black market? They smuggle 15 billion in drugs a year, they could easily arm someone plotting a mass murder.
>>77543526
Then tons of women get raped and liberals blame white men again.
>>77549983
As an Ameribro, I would help cops shoot haji babas and little school-shooter shits so fast. I don't own an AR-15, but all this nonsense makes me want to buy one.
>>77540818
>hair trigger
Wtf are you talking about? Sure if you get a Geissele trigger group or something, but Mil-Spec ARs have pretty heavy triggers compared to just about every hunting rifle I've ever shot.
>>77543682
I've been telling Liberals this all week and getting called a racist Trump supporting gun nut for it.
>>77537922
>So why do you faggots think you're entitled to an AR-15.
I don't. Until I spend my money that I made with my time on one tomorrow. After that, I'll be entitled to an AR-15. Not just any AR-15, though. My AR-15.
>>77541820
lel is that a polymer lower? looks like it was milled out in one of those high-school autocad machines.
I just got done milling an 80% lower last weekend, can't wait until the rest of my kit comes in.
SHALL
>>77537922
Down the list:
>The 2nd amendment does not entitle you to a 30 round rifle
Yes it does.
>Give me one good reason why you should be able to own an AR-15
Because there is literally no functional difference between the AR-15 and any other intermediate cartridge rifle.
>There are other guns you can choose faggot
There is no difference between those guns and the AR-15, except that most of them are used more often in crimes.
>Regulations =/= infringement
Except when they literally = infringement, such as saying that I can't own something.
>Seriously give me one reason. Just one.
Don't have to. You have to give me a reason why I can't that isn't emotional rhetoric. Explain to me the difference between an AR-15 and an SKS, or an M14, or any other of a dozen rifles that can accept magazines of variable size.
What special magical quality makes the AR-15 more dangerous than those, and why should that allow you to directly infringe upon my right to own one?
>>77550562
You should get a pistol too, if you're going to do it. They're always really cheap during these times.
>>77537922
>What is a "gun-free" zone?
>>77538800
why do you want to take rights away from lawful gun owners?
people never convicted of a crime and with probable better standing in the community than you?
>>77537922
limiting the rights and the will of the people to choose only certain approved weaponry is already done. they told us banning automatic weapons would solve the gang problem. it didn't. banning single shot long-guns, likewise, is not going to solve the problem of how dicked up islam is. islam should fix islam. besides, if they really wanted to make a dent in 'gun violence', according to statistics, they should just disarm the black community. care to dispute?
>>77537922
I know this is bait, gun control doesn't work, coming from a guy who lives with strict gun controls. It only benefits criminals who doesn't care about the law while the civilians gets jacked at gun point or killed.
I already own a AR-15 so I don't really care what happens, honestly.
>>77551498
well shit man u cant do that because that goes against the tolerance directive and u cant racially profile nig nogs.its true they commit all the crime and account for most gun homicides but theyre just poor man,not the niggers fault.
no accountability.zero.
its why shrillary will never go after big banks for fraud because libs dont care about accountability for your own actions.
>>77537922
AR-15?
What happened to the M16A4?
>>77539307
There is already a federal law mandating that firearm dealers run a federal background check anytime someone buys a gun from them what more do you want ?
>>77539374
beautiful
when 99.whatever percent of owners use the firearm properly, it has no business being banned.
you don't react to the transgressions of the very few by penalizing the virtuous behavior of the very many.
it's literally improper governance.
you shouldn't even be suggesting it.
>but muh military style!
Ar-15's are civilian. M16's have been the standard issue since vietnam
>But it's an assault rifle!
Ar-15's are semi auto.
>but muh mass shootings!
most mass shootings happen but are stopped by armed bystanders. They don't get reported by mainstream media. 100% of mass shootings happen in "Gun-Free Zones". Criminals would not mess with people if he/she knew that those people were armed.
>but muh high capacity magazines!
In a self defense situation you would rather have more rounds in case of more than one intruder. You don't know what weapon the burglar has. Wouldn't you want to be the one with the better weapon?
>>77537922
The AR15 isn't even in the top ten most powerful fire arms we legally have access to buying.
A fucking libtard
>>77537922
Pro tip, don't fucking need one. The founding fathers ennumerated a couple of the inalienable god given rights we had, but made clear that the document did not grant them itself, but we're given to us by very nature of existence. Self preservation is something no one can take away from you. You can always defend yourself whether told not to or not. The founding fathers daughter to make sure you could compete with whomever sought to do you harm by not specifying the arms you could use. If it exists and could be used against you, you have every right to arm yourself with it or better. The capitalistic society we have is pretty rewarding with safety for success, but even the common man can even the playing field between him and the wolf at the door. The right to arm myself is not something you can separate from me while I'm alive. But they enumerated it this way to ensure the survivability of the principal on which they wrote it. I could arm myself with a chair in self defense. But at the point that I've been accosted and someone has broken the law, that which enforces the law, inconsequential violence, can be administered by the plaintiff. The state does not have a monopoly on violence, in fact, police, by several supreme court decisions, are not at all required to save you. Safety is not a right, it is a responsibility. And it is, legally, solely your responsibility. So yes, being well equipped is insurance. It's peace of mind, and not to mention it's fun as fuck.
>>77537922
Alright you baity motherfucker you want it, here it is. Your argument for imposing restrictions on what are classified as legal arms boil down to one point: "The founding fathers never considered weapon than could kill a ton of people in a few seconds, therefore the second amendment does not hold." Well I have news for your half retarded brain. There were weapons that could kill dozens of people at a time when they drafted this. Ever hear of a cannon? You see, cannons existed when they drafted this and cannons have a nasty habit of sinking ships. Ships can carry a quite a few people. If you hit a ship with a cannonball at the right place you can kill everyone on that ship by sinking it. Likewise, you can kill a bunch of people by sending infectious fragments of scrap towards them at very high speeds (using a cannon). They were entirely aware that arms could be used to kill a ton of people in a few seconds and they still wrote this. The reason why they wrote this is because they literally rebelled against the legitimate authority because they felt the authority was abusing it's power. That is why the legislation exits. They felt that a government that the people were dissatisfied with was not government at all (see the "Mandate of Heaven"). If they thought that restrictions should be place on weapons, why didn't they explicitly state it? Why not say, "The right to bear swords shall not be infringed." Or, "The right to bear muskets shall not be infringed." They supported citizens being able to own and operate the most advance firearms at the time and imposing restrictions would only spit in the face of the people who founded America. Don't like it? Move somewhere else you fucking nitwit. This will be buried in the depths of 4chan by the time I'm done but fucking think before you type.
>>77538281
Guess what, governments and police forces are made out of civilians too.
>>77542412
Wow, dude. That's a lot of assumptions you created to support your argument.
First off a lot of that shit is already regulated to hell and back (explosive ingredients, fire safety measures, knives over a certain length, etc.). You're a genuine fucking moron with absolutely no experience AT ALL with either harming someone with a gun or with your fists if you think for even ONE FUCKING ATTOSECOND that you can compare the two reasonably as far as potential devastation.
Second no, a criminal doesn't necessarily have more experience in anything than I or anyone else does. Being a criminal isn't some flag that triggers your criminal buff. Plenty of them are at least as stupid as yourself.
Third, even in that very specific scenario you created a gun would be one of the worst choices. You actually need to be able to shoot accurately, precisely, and be at range for a gun to be truly useful. Building off your fiction, a small woman waking up in a rush of adrenaline in a dark, close quartered house/apartment when the intruder very likely also has a gun/weapon is a recipe for disaster. She'd probably turn the lights on and ruin her night-vision too. Not too mention shooting a few rounds into the next door neighbors house/apartment.
Don't cuck yourself.
>cherry picking which guns should be banned
Gun related crimes could only be stopped by banning all kinds of Guns but you "muh freedumbs" "muh constitution" would only get mad at that now won't you? Enjoy your inevitable slowly crumbling """"first world"""" country topkek
so /pol/ since the AR15 may be banned soon i have decided to try and build one myself, ive never built a rifle before though. does this look like a decent enough build for the money?
http://www.riflesupply.com/AR15-Complete-20-Heavy-Barrel-HBar-Rifle-Kit-No-Lower-556-20HBARNoLower556.htm
this would be primarily for deer hunting. if anyone has any better suggestions for build kits im all for it.
>>77543825
agreed
>>77537922
Why shouldn't I own a Gun?
It's not like I'm gonna shoot up a school or some shit.
They can ban guns all they want. People will hide them and hold onto them or purchase them illegally to protect their homes.
>102 replies
pol is truly the easier board to troll
Don't worry.
President trump will be able to negotiate a perfect deal with the genius gun grabbers, NRA, Gun owners, etc. Everyone will be happy that America will soon be safe from the AR-15. They would all be gone in just 30 days!
