There is literally no argument for civilians to own guns.
Debate me.You will lose.
stfu cuck
Protect self from government.
Next.
DO NOT REPLY TO SHILL THREADS
THIS IS A THREAD MADE SPECIFICALLY TO GATHER YOU RETARDS TO DEBATE A STUPID FUCKING QUESTION
SAGE HIDE REPORT
>>77318464
This, get real OP.
>>77318464
Your government is doing plenty of things against your will right now,and you still don't do shit about it.
If they stormed in your house right now,you'd beg for your life.
The second amendment is about killing people that support a tyranical government.
Self-defense. Defense of home, family, property, neighbors.
Oh and killing faggots.
>>77318399
>Anonymous (ID: W+UJU6mL) 0 seconds ago No.7
Whos the most underrated actor of all time? It's Dolph Lundgren
>>77318857
That's Grace Jones' ex-lover.
>>77318630
I'd shoot them. The guns aren't for starting a revolution every time the government does something I don't like, you know.
>>77318399
It'll be a bit inconvenient to find something else that can toss 10-gram pieces of lead at negroes.
>>77318399
Guns are the ultimate form of self defense. You equalize you and your opponents to a greater degree than any other weapon on the planet. There is literally no better tool to protect yourself and other people with. As the right to life is a fundamental right inherent to humanity, it follows that guns must be legal.
>>77318399
Your argument is inherently wrong because you are basing your opinion on your own ego therefore no matter what evidence, facts, or discussion is brought against you you will have no interest in accepting the refutation of your ideology.
You already won the argument before it started because it was a one way trip the moment you pressed post.
>>77318630
I wouldn't. But even if that were true, Slavic savages like you seem to forget that our Constitution doesn't belong only to us. It belongs to our children, and their children, and so on. We are merely the current custodians of it. If we, as a generation, are too weak or unready to live up to the Second Amendment's purpose, it is not certain that our grandchildren will be similarly afflicted. We have an obligation to pass on the Second Amendment unharmed to them. And we call this civilization, Slav.
>>77319024
>I'd shoot them.
Sure thing,little buddy.I bet you don't even own a gun.
>>77318804
If nobody had guns,you could protect yourself with sheer strength and technique.
Of course,that would require you to get off your ass and lose 300 pounds ,ya fat fuck.
>>77318399
There is literally no argument for civilians to not own guns
Debate me. You will lose.
>>77318399
Your opinion doesnt matter, you third world europoor.
>>77318399
To kill you. You lose.
>>77318399
Why do I need a reason to own something? You can criticize my purchasing decisions for one reason or another, but from a philosophical perspective your point is moot.
>>77318630
Not if you had a gun.
>>77319332
>If nobody had guns,you could protect yourself with sheer strength and technique.
women and most men couldn't
>>77318399
Spoken by a fucking croatian. Didn't your people launch genocidal campaigns against each other? And now you think people shouldn't have guns?
>>77318399
Destroying the eventual authoritarian regime that Trump will create.
>>77318399
Some people need to "feel safe".
Other people are men.
That explains it
Sorry, m8, I'll act mad if it makes you feel better
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED FILTHY EUROPOOR
I NEED IT TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM THE GOVERNMENT
>>77318399
America is no longer British. Croatia is two potatoes shy of a two potato soup.
>>77318399
> Debate me
Or you can just fuck off.
If a pack of well-dressed black men come to rape me, I'll need an automatic assault rifle to win.
>>77319767
Some people need to "stay alive".
Other people are dead.
>>77318399
Someone in my family was murdered in a home invasion.
>>77319767
this needs to become a facebook meme
I seriously can't think of one that could top this
>>77319767
Oh, God...you've broken the code!
2nd amendment lovers are just trying to create their safe space. They're the real SJWS!!!
>>77319332
So you're basically advocating that any person who has a physical disability, or some other problem that makes them physically unable to defend themselves, should be at the mercy of the next person up on the food chain.
>>77319332
It happens all the time, faggot. Besides, my gun is for protecting me from thugs, not defending from government goons.
>>77318399
MRW Obama says America needs to ban guns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs
>>77318630
>Your government is doing plenty of things against your will right now,and you still don't do shit about it.
Hey Croatfag, here's a bit from our founding document.
'all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
>>77319934
Yes, because they are useless to society anyway.
>>77319244
Why so much hate for the Slavs,my friend?
Is it because we subjugated the so called Germanic masterrace,took their woman,reached the space,acquired superpower status etc?
You weren't so arrogent when my brother Ivan was raping your sister Helga back in the 1945... :/
>>77319767
My brother.
>>77318399
>Pro-Gun controllers
>>77319799
What is that site?
>>77318399
Im a free man and i own guns because people like you exist.
>>77318399
>i love getting cuked by criminals owning guns!
>i can just call the cops! they'll be here in 3 hours and 30 minutes
>holy shit i am dying, but at least i didn't kill anyone!
>>77319767
>haha dude being self reliant on your own safety is only for women!
Some of us live in dangerous area's you know?
Some of us want to trust OUR lives in the hands of OURSELVES.
>>77319992
No, it's because I don't expect a peoplehood who allowed themselves to be plunged into communist darkness for half a century to understand enlightened arguments of tradition and culture-bearing. That's just gobeddly-gook to you, the people who watched as Jewish-Bolsheviks suppressed your own culture and history and replaced it with Semitic garbage until the outside world intervened on your behalf.
>>77318399
You have a right to self-defense. Period. The weapon doesn't matter, gun or rock on the ground or your own fist. You have a right to defend your own life. Guns kill animals too.
The government's rule is to help protect and enforce that right but they are the back up and you are your first line of defense when confronted with physical force. The government's just there to sort out who started it and who's the dangerous one and who's the victim. You have a right to defend yourself throughout the whole process, the execution and tatics for defending that right just switches from your sole responsibility to a shared one when the law enforcement arrives.
A gun is just a tool, nothing more.
>>77319767
you mean the 49 dead men?
>>77318630
>the government is already tyrannical and evil so just give up your guns
uhhhh
>>77318399
>Croatia
>Thinks they can comment about anything.
>>77319992
>Why so much hate for the Slavs,my friend?
Because they are the niggers of the white race.
>There is literally no argument for op to keep existing
>>77318630
I'd unzip my katana
>>77319767
>Some people have never had one or more guns pointed at them while unarmed, have extremely unrealistic fantasies about how they would react and the resulting outcome in such a situation, and like to pretend they're "men."
>>77320208
But why would I expect peoplehood who allowed themselves to be subjugated by those who allowed themselves to be plundged into communist darkness for half a century to understand enlightened arguments of tradition and culture-bearing?
>>77318399
Goddamn, son.
You are getting absolutely destroyed in this thread.
Seriously, don't kill yourself though. We don't need that on our conscience.
The mods are censoring people to control the debate, nice.
>>77320122
gunpolicy.org, first thing that showed up when I searched if Croatia allows private ownership of guns
>>77319863
Staying alive is easy without guns.
>>77319895
ugh. facebook.
>>77319918
Pretty much.
>>77320018
suh doo.
>>77320192
Don't like it. Move.
>>77320300
and I thought 9/11 was a small sacrifice.
Some of you people still need to evolve.
>>77319874
Maybe he should have had 2 funs. Fuck your dumb
>>77320473
Because we're trying to fight it, if you haven't been paying attention. We're not waiting for outsiders to come fix our problems for us. And your solution is to suggest what, we should fight, but also we have no right to keep and bear arms?
Fuck off. I'm sick of reading your Croat logic. Go get drunk and pass out in a sewer you Slavic rat.
Who cares? It's in the constitution and there's no chance that the electorate, congress, or SCOTUS would allow a repeal of the 2nd amendment.
Gun rights won. /pol/ has nothing to prove despite some over eager newfags.
>>77320300
>men
Ebin
>>77320710
it would have been better if you left the post as a "1 post by this id" post, it triggers the /pol/ much better
>>77318399
>Debate me
>debate a shitpost opinion with no data or sources included in the opening argument, or even including an opening argument at all
your team has lost the debate by default, good job shitstain.
>>77320459
and then there are men.
>>77319332
Found the classist. Guns are an equalizer of people, bar none.
>>77320883
>tips hat at you
Good debate m'sir
>>77320710
>and I thought 9/11 was a small sacrifice.
oh so you're one of those?
>>77320730
>Slavic rat.
No,you're a rat.
Your kind is alive only because we Slavs are less savage than you.If you won,you'd exterminate us.
We won,but we let you live.
Remember that.
Such arrogance for an inferior human,by your own(or better yet,your Fuhrer's) definition.
>>77321084
You were alive in world wore won?
>>77321009
an airplane full of the most overpaid useless businessmen crashing into a building full of even more overpaid businessmen.
... and what do we need, yup, another businessman.
>>77318399
A good reason for civilians to have guns, are to stop people from taking away guns.
>>77321175
the fuck are you on about?
>>77321084
>$.10 has been deposited into your SorosFund
You have yet to debate anyone on gun control, shill.
shoo shoo
>>77319027
Slingshots.
gtfo you disingenuous cocky piece of shit.
>no argument
1. tyrannical govt
2. criminals
3. terrorists
>>77321402
Hate to say but maybe we deserved it.
>>77318399
You live in Croatia
Do you remember how much fun Yugoslavia was? Remember that war you had to fight to achieve independence 20 years ago?
How the fuck are you supposed to protect yourself from troops, looters, and other fuck heads that have guns when you don't have guns?
>>77319332
Didn't you guys have a war not too long ago? Are you not old enough to remember it?
>>77321552
kill yourself then.
nothing of value will be lost.
>>77318399
if the serbs were allowed to own guns they wouldn't have had to run and hide in the woods when you fucking animals tried to eliminate them in the war.
>>77318399
shall not be infringed
((you))
>>77321687
why would i an hero when there are so many fine young people in japan doing such a good job at it for me.
>>77318399
To hunt. Well-managed sport hunting can be a great boon to a natural area.
>>77321611
What does that have to do with anything?
I'm not talking about war,or soldiers.
I'm talking about civilians.
>Do you remember how much fun Yugoslavia was?
Guns weren't needed before war.
When we got into war,we acquired weapons.As every nation does.
>>77321412
Hit me.
>>77321329
Not an argument.
>>77321152
No,but he's the one who invoked my Slavic origin.So I reminded him a few things.
>>77320508
still waiting bro.
>>77318399
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
Eat shit, croat de nez
do you know what they called presidents before firearms were invented? kings.
>>77320274
You do realize the point of why gun control exists and laws like knife control don't even though they both can kill people right? Why do rock control doesn't exist? How about fist control?
Take away your eyes at guns for a moment and take a look at a law specifically about explosives-ownership/use. Why do you think explosives aren't allowed to be owned by normal civilians? They're not inherently dangerous just like guns right but why do every country with functioning brains ban them? It's because they have the potential to kill/injure groups of people in a nick of time. Are you getting the point now of why guns should be banned? The benefits of actually being able to defend yourself is faaaaaaar being outweighed by its cons. How can you even walk in the streets without the constant fear of getting shot by some random people who'd just decide to shoot someone on a whim?
Too bad doing that in a country like USA is futile. The huge amount of guns are already in your country. Your government is not likely to confiscate even half of them no matter how powerful it is. Not to mention the meme mentality that "lool you're not allowed to have guns? what a cuck lmao" is far too widespread even on some niche website like this when they're expected to not be retarded
2nd A
Right to protect yourself
If you want to stop violence, immediately deport blacks and Hispanics, you will cut crime by 2/3s, oh is that unconstitutional?
Oh well, you don't mind the constitution, so no biggie.
>>77322142
>I'm not talking about war,or soldiers.
>I'm talking about civilians.
Militias are made of civilians.
>>77322299
>muh illusion of safety
how do you explain that more died in france where the guns are illegal?
>>77318399
I go fishing out in the woods by myself.
Sometimes I encounter other hunters or fishers. If I didn't carry they could easily steal my shit without a fight, or worse.
>>77322658
And militias are used by the government in wars.
Why are you still equating war and peace time?
>>77318630
>Your government is doing plenty of things against your will right now
Welcome to democracy. Some things you will be a part of the majority, some you won't.
>If they stormed in your house right now,you'd beg for your life.
Not an argument.
>>77318399
Maybe they fucking want one?
Some guys like Corvettes
Some guys like filet mignon
Some guys like cigars
Some guys like AR-15s
Get fucked and stop trying to justify punishing innocent people for the actions of maniacs
>>77318399
Firearm confiscation occurred right before every single communist massacre in human history.
>>77321800
>shall not be infringed
Repealable.
>>77322299
>They're not inherently dangerous just like guns right but why do every country with functioning brains ban them? It's because they have the potential to kill/injure groups of people in a nick of time.
>Are you getting the point now of why guns should be banned?
No.
No, because those things are two completely different things, you're making a false equivalency and dropping the context here. Small arms aren't nukes. If it's not deadly without being touched, like a bomb can go off during a natural disaster or accident, then it falls into your right to use it for self defense. Anything that threatens people simply by existing is handled by the military. Guns and rifles and kitchen knifes don't do that.
>>77318399
You guys sure seemed to be thankful for them when the Serbs came knockin. Your a fucking disgrace to those that died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUbCp2WgkYw
>>77323125
btw they where armed civilians makeshift militia
>>77323125
Again,you're equating wartime to a peacetime.
Why are you Americans so fucking bad at analogies?
>>77323252
It is specifically for potential wartime that the 2nd Amendment's possession during peacetime was established.
>>77323252
>government gets subverted
whoops there goes 90% of your chance at resistance
>>77323064
Guns aren't explosives but are perfectly capable of the same damage against humans just like explosives maybe in a slightly longer time. Stop being delusional.
These laws are made exactly because these tools are capable of killing people in a nick of time to prevent.
>>77323252
You fucking idiot thats the point your government came after you, aka Yugoslav government, and they would have succeeded if you hadn't been ARMED.
>>77321084
>literally says "no you"
FUCKING
KEK
>>77323160
>>77323345
>>77323351
THEY WERE ARMED BY OUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT WAS WAR.
ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?
>>77323513
Mexico
They think if shit goes down they'll go all rambo in the jungle, wrap a freedom flag around their naked humanity and shoot them niggas trying to chimp out.
Let them be. I'd enjoy watching them find out how paramilitary groups/self defense militias actually turn out to work in the real world.
Then there won't be anyone to save them. Not even their oh so beloved shotguns.
>>77323399
>your government came after you
But that's where you're wrong,you fucking retard.
By the time war started,we already had CROATIAN government.
>>77323381
http://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2015/aug/24/why-journalists-carry-guns-in-the-philippines-video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOndtUcRXdU
How has gun control worked out for you guys, politicians treating you well?
>>77323513
What war would that be? The war between the Serbs and the Croats?
>>77323513
A government that literally had 3 helicopter's and little else, your nation was essentially disarmed, Serbs hoarded the arms, literally the Croat government couldn't hand them out fast enough, many civilians had illegally obtained them before the war and that is probably what saved your asses.
>>77323513
are you? I will spell out further my post since you didnt read it.
>gun control in canada
>pro american prime minister elected due to american media and money influence
>canada has no capacity to resist annexation due to subverted gov military and no armed civilians IE MILITIAS
>croatia
how about not getting btfo by serbs?
>>77324006
Breakup of Yugoslavia, Bosnians also had arms many of which were already in the hands of civilians, again that pretty much saved Sarajevo from ever actually falling.
>>77323873
Idk it's really safe here as long as you stay away from the shithole known as Mindanao. Never heard a single gunshot in the whole 30+ years of my life. There might be a few robberies/kidnappings with killings involved but that's fine.
I'd rather have the well known cons of gun control than cowering in my knees everytime I take a walk literally anywhere in the country thank you very much.
>>77319024
You would be killed immediately.
>>77318399
>There is literally no argument for civilians to own guns.
>Debate me.You will lose.
Orlando shooter was a government worker.
>>77324034
WHICH LITERALLY PROVES THAT YOU DON'T NEED WEAPONS BEFORE THE WAR/REVOLUTION/UPRISING AGAINST TYRANNY.
>>77324223
like dorner?
>>77318399
Governments can fail. I win.
>>77324126
>Breakup of Yugoslavia
Let's get this straight. Which government was arming them? Yugoslavia's government? Bullshit. Croatia were arming the serbs during a war between Croatia and serbs?
>Bosnians also had arms many of which were already in the hands of civilians
Kind of like the French were arming the separatist colonials to fight the English? That doesn't support your assertion of "the government gave their citizens weapons because it was wartime."
>>77322850
>some guys don't like those things
Somebody better call omar
>>77324177
Haha your funny, i literally never have any fear
I bet you'd scream if you went to a restaurant here in the states and saw a guy with a gun on his hip gasp kek
>>77318399
Didn't you have a war in the past 20 years or so where "soldiers" were killing civilians. good thing they didn't have guns or things could have gotten ugly.
>>77324306
Did Dorner kill state or federal authorities?
SHALL
>>77324081
I hope something goes down and the gooks or circus bears start arming us to the teeth
Look at this shit country. We have pretty strict gun laws and that doesn't stop gun crime. Criminals don't give a shit and always find a way to get guns. Who doesn't have guns and is helpless? Yeah, law abiding citizens.
Now also consider that some of your cuckolded politicians want to integrate people from this shit country (and muslims as well) into yours. You better start packing some heat so you can defend yourself, instead of giving away your guns, you dumb motherfucker.
>>77318399
>>77318630
>>77319332
>>77319992
>>77320018
>>77320473
>>77321084
>>77322142
>>77323252
>>77323513
>>77323810
>>77324302
>>77318399
To stop what the serbs did to you faggots back in the 80's.
Serbja forever, the only good Croat is dead
>>77324426
Humans are the most dangerous animal. They can kill you with literally anything for any reason at any time. It's better to take certain precautions even if it means being helpless.
>>77322850
>comparing a gun to a steak
Retard...
>>77318399
God, I want to suck that blond dudes cock. I bet he has the sweetest tasting cum this side of Mississippi.
>>77324302
The serbs should have finished the job when they genocided you.
Come and take them.
>>77318399
Civilians already have guns.
Millions of those who have guns will not relinquish them.
Confiscation would turn every neighborhood, every street, into a shooting gallery.
According to the government's own projections, about 10,000 police would die on the first day plus upwards of 20,000 civilians including innocent bystanders.
Debate stone cold reality, Cuckwad: Guns ain't goin' nowhere.
Most cops, over 50%, draw the line at gun confiscation and will walk off the job. They don't want to fucking die for your disarmed utopia. Nobody does. That's why it's not going to happen.
The matter is not UP for debate.
>>77324302
Listen faggot, nation was essentially disarmed, yes NATO sent you guys help, but what if we hadnt, you could have been raped. You cannot fucking tell me those arms used in the remote villages and communities that resisted the Serb's where all given to them by the precious government. Just like the Bosnians, they didnt have shit, hell look at the early days of the Syrian uprising before it was fueled by Jihad, those people that literalyl stopped a armed column advance in the early days of Aleppo did it with small arms they had hoarded and hid, they stopped the government a tyrannical one at that.
Since then do to the fact its a proxy war, the conflict has degenerated into Jihadist cesspool, but Islam is to blame for that.
>>77324475
dorner isnt a perfect analogy but you're still moving the goalposts
>>77318399
>Debate me
>1 post by this ID
/pol/ is ded
sage
>>77324868
Protip! You can click on a poster's ID and it will highlight the posts in the thread made by that poster.
In this case, the OP's ID is used in about a dozen posts. Where do you get 1 post from?
>>77318399
>croatian arguing against civilian gun ownership
There is literally no argument for countries fight each other.
Don't debate me, op. You lost.
>>77324824
No I'm not. Killing state authorities gets you in deep shit, but if you kill the feds you're pretty much done with civilized life.
>>77324996
mouseover
perhaps i am a huge faggot
>>77324718
You are wrong again.They never genocided us,we genocided them.
Also,not an argument.
>>77324821
> yes NATO sent you guys help
stopped reading.
>>77324177
Sounds like you're just a bitch.
>Cower whenever I take a walk.
Definitely sounds like you're a bitch. Rare incidences of mass shootings make you scared to go outside?
Then kill yourself.
You're more likely to be hit by a car, or mugged than shot. Cower like the child you are, and let the adults handle reality.
>>77324337
Yugoslavia broke up, eventually the only real representative nation of Yugoslavia was Serbia. It then became a land grab with the favor being in that of the Serb's as they where well armed. Croat, and Bosnian governments essentially begged for arms aas they a where essentially disarmed except what people had hidden, Nato eventually helps Croats and Bosnia ect
Im just saying what would have happened if NATO hadn't helped you guys with arms shipments. Youd have been fucked except for those who defied the law and had weapons to fight.
>shitposting serb with Croatian proxy
>>77318399
A time machine needs to be invented so I can travel back in time and fuck Dolph when he was in his 20's, he's rather old now. But fuck he was hot!
>>77325159
croatia was under an arms embargo
>>77325239
I mean not only does it look like sucking his cock would be the most glorious gift from God above, but he also has great cock sucking lips.
Geez he was like built in the laboratory of a gay man.
>>77322907
Repealable but not repealed. The only thing that's ever been repealed is prohibition. We Americans do not take our rights flippantly and do not change them on a whim.
>Your government is doing plenty of things against your will right now,and you still don't do shit about it.
Translation:
>your government infringes on multiple rights so you can't fight against a specific infringement!
Here's the (You) that you are cockhungry for and the sage that you deserve you retard
>>77318399
Why are you so upset Croatia?
I own a XD40 - they're the same guns your police use.
>>77325143
Huh? It doesn't even have to be a mass shooting. What's your proof that you're not going to get shot at a place filled with armed people? That's just retardation desu and even if you're armed you stand no chance against someone who shot you first. Why do you not realize this simple fact?
>>77325060
my point was that the capacity for enforcement isnt as absolute as you purported. Even if it was dont you think your gov disarming people would create a plethora of timothy mcveighs?
>>77318399
Do you look anything like Dolph Mr Croat anon? And if so, any pics?
>>77325413
lol kek i have been to the largest gun show in north America, possibly the world, with literally thousands of armed civilians, guess what no one was shot.
But then again they weren't black
>>77325159
>Yugoslavia broke up
Before or after this "wartime" began? Last I checked, the first two to declare independence from Yugoslavia were Croatia and Slovenia and that was in (quick doublecheck on wikipedia) mid-1991 and the "wartime" began a year before. Thus the Yugoslavian government didn't arm anybody before wartime began. Are you claiming the Croatians armed the citizens then? That's obviously not it as you admit that the Croats and and Bosnia needed help from NATO. I don't expect you are claiming Serbia's government gave them weapons as Serbia didn't announce independence until 2006.
So I ask one last time. What government armed them?
You're dead kiddo.
>Switzerland has legal guns just tighter restrictions
>mandatory education on guns and tighter regulations lead to one of the lowest homicide rates in the world
>UK bans firearms and sees highest murder rates in country's history
>two million defend themselves against gun violence a year
>two hundred thousand women against sexual assault
Tl;dr banning guns equals more violence because people can't defend themselves
Sources: pew research
Time Magazine
Mint News
>>77323381
>Stop being delusional.
You first, a hand gun and artillery shell are not the same fucking thing. No point in arguing with someone who can't acknowledge that.
>>77324774
All this situation sounds super badass. I want a movie made of this.
Stand your ground America!
>>77325651
>*Yugoslavian government didn't arm anybody because it was wartime.
Damnit. Screwed that post up bad.
>>77325413
Could the scientists invent high powered magnets and install them as security features in all buildings. And have them set to be activated at the exact vibration given off by the shot of a gun, so that the magnets actually pull the bullets and the guns themselves to the wall and effectively stop the shooter?
>>77325651
Germany and austria amongst others, illegally
>>77325695
Schindlers list is a good movie if you want to see what happens when citizens are disarmed.
>>77324612
>It's better to take certain precautions even if it means being helpless.
>take certain precautions
Which is what gun owners do. The fact that you choose helplessness over effective self-defense shouldn't be held against us.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ec_1465960566
fuck this pig
>>77318399
Hunting, sport shooting.
There already 2 valid reasons.
>>77318399
I like the idea of being able to defend life and property.
But it shouldn't be assault-type guns with huge magazines in the hands of civilians. That's just a product of American brainwashing and insanity.
>>77319024
>2016
>still believing in the revolution meme
>>77325832
Schindlers list is a fiction movie
>>77325832
A few jews and commies with guns versus the state would not have made a difference
>>77325806
The unarmed citizenry were conducting armed conflict before they were armed by Germany and Austria after armed conflict erupted a year before any region of Yugoslavia declared independence?
>>77325651
besides arms the citizens aquired on their own illegally to defend themselves, the Croat government that declared independence began trying to arm them any way they could, NATO did infact send them arms eventually.
The Serb's remnants of Yugoslavia began to mobilize into Croat and Bosnian territory, many civilians where armed and defended themselves, not all arms where distributed by the Croat government.
>>77318399
>>77326153
>besides arms the citizens aquired on their own illegally to defend themselves
It wasn't the government that armed the citizens because it was a time of war? They already had arms of their own?
>>77325953
Does the standard issue rifle of your military have a extended mag?
>Yes
Then you should too, do you want a bolt action when your against government arms?
I'm a right-winger and we will never give up our guns, riffles and bombs. You lefty commie pussies can suck it. I was so disappointed in my CroBros when they got cucked in Zbogom Oružje gungrab gimmick during Račan era. We the Hercegovci ae armed to the teeth and then some more. You jewish puppets can suck my dick and bunghole.
>>77325953
I know you're used to holding small objects in your hands, but 30 round magazines are standard issue. Now, explain to the rest of the class what you consider to be "an assault type" weapon so we can hurry up and dismiss you and your total ignorance.
>>77326071
the police force did most of the fighting in the beginning,then they stole some Yugoslavian weaponry after a couple of won skirmishes....
>>77325832
THX-1138
>>77325855
Making humans freely possess efficient potential killing tools is not taking precaution. It doesn't even matter that guns are not inherently bad; humans will, one way or another, be using them for harm regardless of reason and gun control is the most efficient way to prevent its far too numerous worst cases.
>>77326321
THANK YOU
Bosniabro
>>77325651
This just proves how little you know.Why do you even discuss shit,when you don't know shit.
To answer your question,it was CROATIAN government that armed CROATS.
We smuggled weapons from Hungary,and used other connections to get weapons ILLEGALY,since we were under arms embargo.
>>77326348
Got a citation for that. The historical articles I read are relatively bereft of specifics which you seem to have. I functioned under the assumption that many citizens held onto what weapons they had.
Please guys DONT listen to OP Slav, he is enmberasment to my country.
He is exactly whats wrong with Croatia.
In Croatia people are divided in 50/50. People who work for government and ones that don't he is one that works for government.
We call Bureaucrats that work for Government "Uhljeb" it has similar meaning to leech
hide and ignore shill threads
dont bump if replying
>>77326446
wiki
you're totally right though
private hunting rifles also played a big role
op is a retard
>>77326433
>To answer your question,it was CROATIAN government that armed CROATS.
Croats were in an armed struggle with serbs before Croatia declared independence. There were armed citizens at least a year before there was a Croatian government to arm Croats in the first place.
>>77318399
you think women should not be allowed to have guns?
>>77326427
All the lefties can do is whine on social media and their shill media outlets. My dad alone owns like 12-13 riffles and (I think) 6 guns. My dad and older brother are hunters and both have registered guns too.
>>77326476
Jel imaš oružje?
Ako nemaš,moš slobodno odjebat,sve što si rekao je bezvrijedno.
>>77319963
women are useful.
for breeding but still.
>>77326384
I dont think you understand, we would rather die than give up that right, we dont take it lightly like some of the other cuck nations outt there.
To try and ban them will result in more bloodshed than you could ever imagine in the result of a civil war.
>>77326566
WAIT WAIT WAIT
ARE YOU TELLING ME ABOUT MY HISTORY?
ARE YOU FUCKING TEACHING ME HOW STUFF WENT DOWN?
>>77318399
>>77326687
>ARE YOU TELLING ME ABOUT MY HISTORY?
I don't know. AM I? Historical record seems to indicate that you are either overlooking the start of "wartime" or else ignorant of your own history.
>>77318399
my rights > your shitty arguments
>>77326476
excellent to hear, whew i was worried Croatia had went cuck on 4chan
>>77326444
Checked
You still haven't responded. What do you consider to be an assault type weapon and why do you consider it to be more dangerous than other firearms?
I'm starving for your answer; you should be familiar with the feeling, right hungry?
>>77326594
Možeš da popušiš kurac od magarca, jebo ti bog mater, da bog da ti sva obitelj crka i da je silovali turci kad dodje do invazije.
>>77326444
Kek , you like other cucks dont understand, these arms are not meant to serve the government, but to fight it if it becomes tyrannical, plain and simple.
>>77326820
ovo
>>77326384
If humans cannot be trusted to use firearms safely, how can they be trusted to take them away from others without using that power for tyranny?
I don't need to trust others to not violate my rights because I'm willing and able to defend them. Can you claim the same?
Rocky IV is so great
>>77326671
OP stated why normal civilians shouldn't possess guns. Not really butting in your own country's business as I stated here >>77322299. It's already a lost cause to try to do something about it.
Does anyone here seriously think you can delete guns out of even nearly half of your country's civilians whether you like it or not? You're already too far deep into that shithole. Our job is to prevent anyone from idolizing your failure.
>>77318399
There doesn't need to be a debate, the Constitution guarantees our right to own guns.
>>77326767
Listen up,man.
Stuff was brewing up in Yugoslavia long before war.
Take 1989.Uprising in Kosovo.Milosevic gets power.In following years,Serbian nationalism rises.
Our nationalism rises in response.
We take whatever arms we can,before Yugoslav army disarms us.
We start to defend ourselves with what we have,and proceed to smuggle weapons as soon as the war starts.
>>77326820
Jako civilizirano,bjedo.
>>77326894
Lijepo,moj Hercegovcu.
>>77326687
So your saying all the arms ALL of them that Croats used during the conflict where provided like some cuck kitchen to all of the armed croats?
BS many of them where privately armed whether you want to admit it or not and it saved your nation. Dont shit on your war heroes graves.
>be closing your store after a long day at work
>suddenly some gangbangers are ramming your front door and a few guys are about to storm the place
What would you ask for if you had a genie in a lamp in this situation?
>>77318399
Wild niggers exist.
or in scientific terms, negroinus dindunufinnis
>>77318399
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
>>77327018
>We take whatever arms we can,before Yugoslav army disarms us
>We start to defend ourselves with what we have,and proceed to smuggle weapons as soon as the war starts.
Thank you for admitting that "you" were armed during peacetime because of potential wartime. That "you" were armed BEFORE wartime and not from the "OUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT WAS WAR."
>You will lose.
Cue the theme to Rocky.
>>77318399
your small country does not police the world and not special enough to need such an amendment for protection against tyrants taking over.
it's how president bush did not become king bush and obama will be out soon and not staying forever
>>77326979
that's nothing like The Revenant
>>77327076
We seize certain Yugoslav army barracks(the ones that were on our soil).
>>77318399
>not understanding the perpetual threat of tyranny and the fact that our country has fought civil war.
If you cannot derive good cause to own a weapon from those 2 things, you're lost.
>>77326384
Um, when you bring up human nature, you kinda make the point for guns. Go look up death stats for knifes, blunt objects, etc. And look up the death stats in all the countries that ban guns, places like Mexico, Honduras, etc. Look at the stats for government disarmament and related genocide for the past 100 years.
Until you come up with a plan for getting rid of *all* guns (including the government, police, and criminals) then it's stupid to ask law-abiding people to give up theirs.
>>77327312
So you know that's where ALL the arms came from right?
>>77327363
>knifes, blunt objects, etc
>>77318399
fuck off
>>77327376
Dude,at the start,we didn't have all out war.Not much was needed,to halt the Yugoslav(Serbian) advance.
In Vukovar,we had only 2000 soldiers(most of them militia),which was held for 3 months.That bought us time to adequately arm ourselves.
People got weapons in all sorts of ways.
Some had old ww2 weapons.
My father came from Germany to fight for Croatia,and bought the guns for himself and his brothers in Czechoslovakia.
>>77326067
They would have died fighting instead of starving to death in a fucking death camp. Which would you pick, faggot?
>>77318399
>European OP
Why should I give a shit what you think about us faggot
>>77318399
SERBIA WHERE ARE YOU
>>77318399
We can't delete you. Thats up to rhe mods. We can only hide you.
>>77327731
I see what you mean but I'm not gonna shit up this thread with pointing out the cowardice of the average jew
Believe me people when I tell you, Croatia and these slav countries are not BASED as you might think.
We are mostly socialist governments and you know how socialist government operate, everybody wants to work for government and everyone is apologetic to government in any way, what is really sad is that half of people were able to convince other half that its actually good to have socialist structure and that Balkans should put more tax payers money for government programs, OR ELSE HOW WOULD WE HAVE SUCH NICE PARKS, or nice fountain, or nice statue in middle of town. WOW
Mayor of Capital city in Croatia spend 3 million dollars on building fountains all over Zagreb, and common people actually laugh at that and find it good investment.
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/evo-na-sto-se-baca-19-mil-kuna-krece-izgradnja-jos-tri-fontane-bandic-umislio-da-je-ivan-krstitelj/764505.aspx
Please Nuke us
>>77326903
Million times better for fewer people to be a threat than literally anybody around you.
>>77325138
We did faggot, I was there for IFOR. You are welcome.
>>77318399
Guns needed to remove kebab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9WgR_N4h4
>>77318399
I love in the woods. If I accidently get between a near and her cubs, I need to be packing heat to survive.
>>77329007
*bear
>>77318464
>protect from government
You best come with robots & lasers & spaceships brah.
>lvlz
>>77318399
You're a dumb cunt. I win.
>>77328943
>Guns needed to remove kebab
No, military needed to remove. They got mad guns.
>>77329341
kill yourself
>>77318399
>There is literally no argument for civilians to own guns.
Guns no, hunting rifles yes.
And you never see hunters packing in the city or shooting up bars.
I personally would go for traps since they are 100% more effective for small game.But they made them illegal.Not humane they say.
