/pol/, is this planet 9 stuff real?
>>70530063
The two main reasons why the hidden star killer theory dosent work are #1, the extinction events are plus or minus a million years, not exact. And #2, our system would have crossed other suns or systems in the last 500m years (mainly one strench that lasted around 100million years) resulting in the second sun (probably an old (dark) brown dwarf) to be captured and lost. But what about a killer planet?
Long period comets we know of in our system have 70,000AU distant orbits and take 6 million years. The sun is estimated to gravitationally hold an object out to 230,000AU. If a planet ten was roughly 200,000AU out at aphelion (and 1000AU at perihelion) it would have a 27million year orbit (goes much much slower the farther out).
Planet ten is the killer, what planet nine (at 1000AU aph) does is perturb planet ten's orbit sometimes by, say speeding it up or down by about 5%, or not at all, depending on where nine is when ten comes in, thus creating million year differences in extinction events.
If so, Planet ten may need to have survived around three or four orbits at aphelion in that critical time (100 million years) when other suns could have captured it. Now stop listening to autistic neckbeards on the Internet.
>planet 9
BAKA BAKA
>>70530063
These niggas keep telling us something is going to destroy the entire planet every single year. Imo they are just science shutins who couldnt get any other job so they must lie ( read manipulate facts ) to get those shekels so they can keep doing what they enjoy. Just ignore it, nothing will come out of it ( atleast not in our lifetime )
>>70530063
People are predicting shit based off of predicted shit based off predicted shit. We ok OP
>>70530063
if you have the slightest understanding of how fucking tiny planets are relative to how big the space they're in is, you'd probably be aware of how anything like this happening is extremely unlikely to say the least
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>>70530063
Well, the math says it's real no? We just haven't spotted it yet.
I'd still take a scientists word over some anonymoose on 4chin
>https://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523
>>70533366
these guys are talking about nibiru. The real news about the real planet flew over everyone's head.
>>70532812
there is a nine planet its just not going to be the cause of any extinction event
>date
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/30/weekinreview/ideas-and-trends-clues-get-warm-in-the-search-for-planet-x.html
>>70530063
>is there another planet in out solar system?
probably.
>does it have life and is it out to kill us all?
nah
>>70533476
but why discuss what belongs on /x/ here when there is real news about an actual 9th planet we haven't seen yet when OP is most likely asking about the recent discovery?
fucking niggers how do they work
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>>70533643
THE NINTH PLANET IS GONNA KILL US ALL, BUY MY WATER FILTERS IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVE!
It probably exists bit the chance of it colliding with earth are 10000000000000 to 1. Space is fucking big yo
At most we might get some increased meteor activity but Jupiter usually throws them off because it's fuckhuge
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/26/arts/pioneer-10-pushes-beyond-goals-into-the-unknown.html
>>70533756
those are a lot of chances for a planet orbiting on a different orbit.
Pretty much what I've always heard about it is that it's a pretty closely guarded secret, and to treat it not as an inevitability but rather something to be prepared for.
So I would point to other happenings like an alleged Shemita or Jade Helm as ways to treat the situation.
>>70530915
There isn't enough evidence to say the extinction events are related, but neither is there enough evidence to say otherwise.
>>70530063
You mean Pluto?
>>70534006
Ancient cave art is also quite likely actual depictions of what ancient man saw in the sky when looking up. Suggesting that the planets might not always have been as we see them today.
A lot of ancient texts speak of a superior sun, while our current sun is also spoken of as the inferior or lesser sun. Suggesting that jupiter might actually have been much closer to the earth previously.
It's all very fascinating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY&nohtml5=False
Planets are pretty big, I don't see how they could hide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5onyywptm0
>>70534287
by having a very wide orbit around the sun, and perhaps being very dark gas giants or similar they could potentially absorb most of the little light that reaches it, making it very difficult to spot.
>>70534276
ah, thunderbolts project
interesting shit 2bh f.am
What shall we name this planet?
>>70533756
Jupiter also slings them our way too because of it's hugeness just as much as it deflects them.
>Am know. Minored in Astronomy.
>>70534276
nice
search for: the earth is growing, on youtube
>>70534571
Nibiru, just to fuck with /x/
>>70534287
By being very far away.
Pluto was very hard to spot, and it's close to Neptune's orbit.
OK LADS SEE WHAT I'VE FOUND
>December, 18th,1984
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/12/18/science/search-for-nemesis-intensifies-debate.html
It was published more than 30 years ago but they say that "mass extinction caused by x planet" is a new theory.
WTF IS GOING ON? I FEEL TRICK.
>>70534287
Planets are notoriously hard to detect because they don't give off any light. And since we're closer to the sun than Nine we can't hope to see it cast a shadow on the sun either.
The only plausible (non conspiracy bullshit) evidence we have of it's existence is the planet's gravitational pull fucking with the orbits of smaller rocks
>>70530063
>planet nine
>despair code
why the fuck do these shitty threads keep ending up on /pol/ is /x/ down or something
>>70535016
If we could measure the wobble of the sun against the known mass of the current accounted for planets we can summate how much mass we are not observing that has an influence on the sun and from there make an educated guess if that mass(es) are planets or just debris fields.
>>70530063
Already have 9 planets. Pluto was reclassified
>>70533756
PRAISE BIG BROTHER JUPITER
>>70535896
Pluto isn't a planet.
So we have 8.
>>70530063
Probably but dont get too excited. Its very very far away and staying there.
repeating digits and we all die this month
>>70535566
>measure the wobble of the sun against the known mass of the current accounted for planets
Planet nine, if it exists, is probably so far out it's only made 2 or 3 orbits in the past millenium. We'd had to have been gathering extremely precise data since Galileo to possibly detect a signal like that.
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>>70536504
okay fine next month
oh god help me, my parents are trying to get me to watch some shit about how this planet is tied in with the bible and the end times, and how it'll be the death of us.
>>70535566
iirc they did exactly that a couple of months ago.
>>70536653
Yeah, it's a detection method that we know would work, we just need super precise instruments that wont be around for another 10-20 years or more.
Then again, that's not really that much time in the history of astronomy. Fascinating stuff this century will bring in the way of scientific data gathering.
>>70536187
They changed it back to a planet. Deal with it.
>>70536989
THEY WHAT
>>70537065
They classified it as a "dwarf planet", or "little planet" for the politically correct
>>70536917
Yeah I figured something like that, I haven't kept up with much Astronomy since I graduated Uni. Were probably the best classes I took.
>>70536989
>They changed it back to a planet.
No they didn't.
Only retarded American """""""""""""""scientists""""""""""""""" think it's a planet.
>>70537175
Oh, that. I didn't care at the time and don't care now. In the end, it's not a planet.
>>70530996
Kill yourself
>>70537175
The whole 'planet' semantic debate is funny. Everyone hinges on the consensus of the word 'planet' as if that changes the actual reality of the rock floating in space somehow.
It's really weird how peoples ontologic relationship with something can be levied by the consensus over a word and not the actual thing itself.
Bunch of cognitively enslaved plebs.
>>70537175
They also qualified 4 other objects as "dwarf planets", with dozens more candidates waiting classification.
So if you want to include Pluto, we have at least 13 (dwarf-)planets.
No way you look at it we have 9 planets.
>>70537589
It's only because NASA spend billions of real tax dollars to send a pointless probe to Pluto.
>>70534922
>searching for a star
>the Sun's dim companion.
That's why, they looked for a star and found nothing, hell this planet is only predicted by gravitational effects.
>>70537231
Stop being so salty about our space programs.
>>70537891
Pointless? In what way. The information gathered was necessary for filling in certain aspects in the data of planet formation and composition. It broadens our view for how planetary systems are formed. We didn't really know what Pluto was composed of or how it formed because we had never seen it up close before. Seeing it up close allows us to fill in this gap of knowledge.
I mean if science itself is pointless (which fundamentally it is), then how do you consider anything else to have a point. What's the point of anything at all?
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>>70530063
>9th planet
Found it.
the 9th planet is some dead space shit
or some doom shit
either way it will not end well
>>70530063
The planet may be, although more evidence is needed. The doomsday shit is unbelievable.
>>70530063
I hope so. Humanity needs a hard reset.
>>70530996
/cringe/ general?
>>70538321
The goal of feeling good and attaining happiness is what gives everything meaning. It is why it is wrong to kill, and right to stick smooth things into your ass.
so it's melancholia?
>>70538669
>melancholia
More like Hellstar Remina
>>70538656
This is a very simplistic and naively altruistic way to look at 'being in itself', but if it keeps you going good for you.
>>70533887
>nigger planet hides from sun
>collision course with earth because it's a white world
Literally racists propaganda.
>>70538321
They only went becasue it was called a Planet.
Rest is just bullshit arguments to justify the expense.
If it wasn't pointless, then why no missions Eris or Ceres?
>>70539389
Nibiru dindu nuffin
>>70538656
And NASA tried to feel happy by sending a probe to each of the planets.
Except they didn't have to send one to Pluto, hence it was pointless.
>>70539117
It is as complex as it needs to be for anyone.
Just as thought is the most fundamental pillar for philosophy, feelings is the most fundamental pillar for reason, action, and morality. In terms of cause and effect, it is the most important.
There is no reason to exist without feeling, and there are infinite reasons to exist with it, all of which will make you feel good if done correctly.
>>70539605
It was to achieve knowledge, which sates the desire of humanity, which makes the non autistic people feel good.
It has a point. Your just one of the not non autistic people.
>>70539643
While I agree, I truly do think the life examined really is the life worth living even if it comes with a host of unnecessary existential 'suffering'.
I'm all for people 'just being' in the world, it would be a very different place if everyone was 'the stranger' at all times, and I don't know if it would be for the better. Maybe hard AI can eventually be the stranger for us and allow us a state of cynic naivety someday.
>There is no reason to exist without feeling, and there are infinite reasons to exist with it, all of which will make you feel good if done correctly.
I would also argue that the exact opposite is also true. There are an infinite amount of reasons to not exist because of feeling. The 'correct way' in which either comes about to a person cannot be said. There is only a way, the way. Suffering is just as much a correct way as being blissfully content.
>>70539743
>It was to achieve knowledge
lol no it wasn't.
Again: why no mission to Eris?
>>70539389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszLwBaC4Sw
He knew.
>>70530063
Yeah, Pluto faggot.
>>70539455
What the fuck are you talking about. Dumb fucking Dutchman. Are you scientifically, literarily and literally illiterate?
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/
>>70540330
I think you are operating a few levels bellow what I am trying to say. Your justification for existence, be it in suffering or not, comes from the fact that to die is considered negative. There is no reason for you to say that people should exist be it for the negativity of death.
Your first statement is a prime example. The only reason you can justify an existence of suffering is because you know that either death is less favorable due to the feelings of individuals, or because the life itself is not laden with absolute suffering.
If we are both charitable with each others arguments, we come to the conclusion that what is perceived as justified is so because of feeling.
>>70540633
>Why no mission to eris?
Who says there won't be? People wanted to see what was on pluto, I suppose.
>Curing cancer is pointless because we didn't cure AIDS.
>>70540633
You're really putting to shame all the Dutch astronomical findings and astronomers of the last 400 years to shame. Stop being so fucking stupid.
>>70538497
i like to see that , planet crashes on earth its a miracle nothing happend then deep from the crater monsters start to scream
>>70541222
>People wanted to see what was on pluto, I suppose.
Because they called it a """"planet""""
And now they call it a """""""""""""""dwarf planet""""""""""""""" just to justify their mistake.
Without the labels Eris, being bigger and heavier, would get priority.
>>70541228
Dutch astronomers were so good becasue they spend more time on actual science and less on dick-waving.
>>70541094
> Your justification for existence, be it in suffering or not, comes from the fact that to die is considered negative.
I wouldn't consider death a negative. In fact embracing death Is something I consider to be a positive. To embrace the eventuality of non-being and transcending that idea of non-existence as a 'default' or natural state of negative.
>Your first statement is a prime example. The only reason you can justify an existence of suffering is because you know that either death is less favorable due to the feelings of individuals, or because the life itself is not laden with absolute suffering
I could justify an existence of either suffering or of contentedness. This does not preclude I think death as a less favorable option, I have considered it seriously many times. I like to think that any way of being has it's virtues regardless of if it is suffering or of bliss.
Being while 'suffering' (not in a physical or even typically denoted mental way) and surmounting the suffering as a testament of existential fortitude is commendable in it's own right. To face nothingness and despair with a an absurd embrace.
>If we are both charitable with each others arguments, we come to the conclusion that what is perceived as justified is so because of feeling.
I would agree with this, there would be no idea of justification without the feeling of what is just. I would also say that you can reason through feeling and find that you yourself can 'feel' about something and perceive it as 'felt' and then also a posteriori have reasoned oneself to feel about that initial feeling itself.
>>70542132
It's labels all the way down famalam. What makes one semantical definition over another change the constituent reality of the objects other than your blunt retardidity?
>>70542132
That dosen't make it pointless. The fact that they wanted to search pluto and in doing so got information from it, fulfilling their desire to do so, is point enough, you fucking mong.
>>70542270
You can consider death however you want mate, the fact is that people generally don't want to die. If everyone didn't want to die and it felt shit to live than the logical and moral reason for existence is gone.
All of the depictions of suffering you attempt to justify living with contain within them some solace, even if that solace is existence itself.
>>70542722
ONE MORE TIME: Why Pluto and not Eris?
(answer: dick waving about visiting all "planets")
>>70542259
So we should just not know about thigns because you are too autistic to be curious and ambitious?
You become a lead researcher, and then you can decide what is worth learning about. For me any anyone else who's mind is not riddled with autism, there is no "enough knowledge" or "pointless knowledge".
Knowing about relativity would have been the exact kind of knowledge you think this is before it was practically implemented.
>>70543009
Why not? The word you are looking for is arbitrary. It was an arbitrary decision, however we would have done Pluto eventually anyway, so why are you complaining, cunt?
>>70543009
Look, before I get a retarded reply, I want to put the nail int he coffin.
Because there was a point, that point being the relieving of an urge to do an action in the name of science, and hence progress, IT IS BY DEFINITION NOT POINTLESS!
>>70543196
NASA could make 10 times as many scientific discoveries with 1/10th the budget is they stopped wasting all their funds and efforts on pointless dickwaving missions.
>>70542906
>All of the depictions of suffering you attempt to justify living with contain within them some solace, even if that solace is existence itself.
>>70534459
yes it's absolutely fascinating. But better yet, it's backed up by actual science that you can replicate in a lab, unlike most theoretical physics regarding relativity and outer space.
>>70543560
You could make 1/10th as many retard shitposts if you were 10 times more intelligent as you are now. But that might be generous.
>>70540661
he died of fear knowing its comming
>>70544449
>it's backed up by actual science that you can replicate in a lab, unlike most theoretical physics regarding relativity and outer space.
You realize special relativity has been proven in a 'lab', the fact that the particles the LHC smashes have radioactive decay at rates that are different compared to particles at lower velocities shows us that at their relativistic speeds they are actually moving through space 'slower' and that the space they are moving through is 'smaller' or condensed.
Again special and general relativity has been proven before that with GPS satellites in their compounding delay of recorded time. Not only did the time have to be fixed for the general relativistic effects of being farther out in a gravity well, they also had to then calculate the special relativistic effects of the speed of the satellites on top of the general relativistic effects to adjust to be usable on the surface for mapping.
Even before that British Astronomer and Physicist Arthur Eddington went to Africa and recorded a solar eclipse in 1919 showing that the stars in the spot where the sun was at during the eclipse were in a different position than when the sun is in another part of the sky.
This observation was only possible due to the eclipse allowing him to observe the stars near the sun as it was dimmed by the moon.
This observation of the stars being in different positions due to the location of the sun proves that the mass of the sun actually bends space around it (general relativity) therefore bending the light from the stars observed, thus giving the impression those stars had somehow moved. If light moves through space in a straight line and if that light is somehow in a different position than recorded before, space must have been the thing which was bent.
