When the majority of people in a society vote for a political party and they enact those policies, who the fuck are you to complain that taxation is theft? Most people in the society voluntarily made the decision to elect that leader and knew damn well they would be taxed, so taxation is not theft, it is a voluntary choice.
a fucking leaf
>>76645479
>who the fuck are you to complain that taxation is theft?
The taking of that which does not belong to you is the literal definition of theft.
>>76645479
>post hot bikini girl
>have serious discussion
Pick one
>>76645479
>it is a choice to be born into a society where I will be taxed regardless of any further choices I make
Try again. Taxation is not a choice.
>>76645479
>Most people in the society voluntarily made the decision
>Most people
And what of those who aren't "most people"? Why can't they voluntarily decide not to pay taxes without havingmen with guna come to their house? Why aren't those who want programs willing to fully fund them themselves?
>>76645479
>When the majority of people in a society vote for a political party and they enact those policies, who the fuck are you to complain that genitalea mutilation is wrong? Most people in the society voluntarily made the decision to elect that leader and knew damn well they would mutilate the genitalea of people so mutilation is a voluntary choice.
>>76645479
Sorry liberals! Taxation is not my entire life savings and then some.
The majority of people like a lot of horrible things
>>76645756
so then, by that principle, it also means that when an employer makes a profit on a worker, that is also a form of theft
>>76645479
Other people voting in favor of taxes doesn't mean I agree to them, dipshit.
>>76645479
i love when you can see just a little bit of outer nipple
celebs do it alot too
cute girl, but, yeah, taxation is theft. guess you've got some growing up to do.
>>76646111
Not an argument
>>76646052
The worker is paid for his labor, you dumb shit. The laborer chooses to work.
>>76646052
well no, if you agreed to work for your wages, you have no such contract, so it cannot be violated in that manner.
moreover, if you had agreed to work only on condition that you would own profits derived from your work -- something that only batshit insane marxists believe is fundamental about economics, but which the rest of us are smart enough to know they'd need to have in writing -- and these profits are hidden from you in some way so that you are not given them, that is usually called fraud, not theft.
theft is in the category of force, not the category of fraud.
>>76645479
>When the majority of people in a society vote for a political party
They don't though, do they? A minority turn out to vote, and many voting systems have the votes of many people living in the "wrong" area just piss away in the wind. Even with proportional representation, there's the issue of parties colluding with donors to maintain a false charade of a two-party system in from of an oligarchy, or the way the party leadership is selected reduces the grassroots influence on policy to nothing. And then, you have things like coalition bargaining in multi-party systems, where tiny unpopular groups have undue sway.
Ultimately, some fucker robs you, will lock you up to be fucked up the arse if you resist, and will piss your money away in ways that actively HARM your interest, such as feeding newly imported rapist fanatics.
You live in a society. Don't act like you don't use the roads, don't act like you do not feel safer because of the police and the firefighters that risk their lives every day to protect your pompous ass. The soldiers that fought to protect you and your freedoms. Ya, taxation is theft.. Pathetic.
>>76646232
i know. a response to OP doesn't need one.
>>76645786
>bikini
Everyone look! Actual virgin here! Hahah
>>76645479
>theft isn't theft if an arbitrary % of the population agree with it
>morality is decided on popularity contests
Go fucking kill yourself you marxist communist degenerate. Hope you get gassed one day.
>>76645479
Sauce you leaf
>>76646052
> implying the worker didn't signed by free will a contract for such thing
> Gary Johnson said the military funding should be sourced from bake sales.
>>76646491
>muh roads
what does that have to do with the proof that taxation is theft? taxation is theft because you have to pay your taxes or else, ultimately, force is used against you, to collect. you do understand that you advocate in favor of that and other people advocate against it, but that both of you have to accept the definition as fully correct, right? or, perhaps government is the godhead of some heretofore unnamed religion to you -- which can change things from what they really are, simply because they are done at all, and because it seems necessary that they be done?
>>76645479
Not paying taxes while you benefit from money spent by the government on infrastructure and services is theft
>>76645479
I did not vote for them and I do not choose to live here
The only issue is that you didn't decide to join society. Now you're going to say that you could always leave, but what if you own land? If you own land that would mean that you shouldn't have to join the society or leave because it is your land. The truth about our society though is that they own all the land even though they have never bought it or were given it.
>>76646892
>commandeer all roads, many of which were originally built privately
a thing that governments have actually done
>haha you can't live without "benefitting" from all this stuff, now pay me
your taxes, that you owe to government.
isn't this exactly the mythical scenario you guys come up with to argue against libertarians? like, "what if i buy up all the land around your property" and such?
>>76646491
>the roads, ... the police and the firefighters
As though that's even a major part of what the bastards spend it on these days! Mate, if it WAS about such things, and I got to see a nice itemised list of expenditure, I'd be fucking delighted to pay taxes.
>The soldiers that fought to protect you and your freedoms
Most died several decades ago. Modern armies fight to prop up the failing careers of politicians and provide opportunities for corporations to make a swift buck.
Nowadays, for the Western Man, the state is a declared enemy.
>>76646974
Get a fucking grip. Whether or not you like it, you like in a society. Only Americans are this retarded. People in Europe are happy to pitch in for basic services that raise the quality of life such as roads, trains, infrastructure, bridges, health care. Most people in a society are not autistic and agree that coming together to provide basic services for a society are a good thing.
I like roads, I like infrastructure, I like having good police and firefighters. I like knowing that if a natural disaster happens we have people willing to risk their lives to save us. A libertarian simply cares about profit margins and money but places like Sweden are happy to pay taxes for more services.
>>76645479
>Taxation is not theft
When taxes are channeled to businesses that helped you get elected its theft.
When taxes fund social agendas like ACORN its theft.
When taxes fund an elite lifestyle for the political class its theft.
Its the intent that makes the crime.
>>76645479
Sucking dicks dose however make you a massive faggot.
>>76645479
>posting a good pic as op for your shitty bait thread
a fucking leaf
I still am convinced Scandanavian socialism is more realistic and probably a better system then libertarianism.
My issue with libertarians is this: humans are tribal at heart. It is in our human nature to come together and have a leader to make certain decisions. Libertarianism is scientifically proven to go against human nature of coming together. Just my two cents.
>>76647374
>People in Europe
No, idiot:
>>76647349
And as though just being "European" were a virtue in this context! Fuck's sake. There's a lot wrong in the USA, but they have some seriously fundamental things VERY right in their Constitution and so on.
>>76645479
no one is libertardian on here anymore we are all fashy goys now
>>76646559
>>76645786
HAHAHAHA
>>76647374
Libertarianism is mostly about volunteerism. You can do all these things voluntarily. Most of libertarianism boils down to anti-federalism too. You don't have to do all these things with the federal government, they are perfectly possible at state and local levels.
>>76645904
>Instead of fucking off to the woods and building my own Cabin I choose to live in this society that benefits me greatly
Oh, really? Not a choice?
>>76647923
>benefits me greatly
lmao
>>76646052
>it also means that when an employer makes a profit on a worker, that is also a form of theft
Work is voluntary, worker can opt out of the contract. Taxes are not.
>inb4 people can go to another lord if they don't like taxes of this lord
Only reinforces point of the theft.
People used to live in tribes. We are biologically wired to always elect someone to lead that tribe. In that point in time, the libertarians and individualists would be eaten by wolves. This is probably why a good percentage of the libertarian community is afflicted with autism in one way or another.
>>76646278
>The laborer chooses to work.
if the choice is between work and homelessness/starvation, then is it truly a choice?
>>76647739
>Scandanavian socialism
> humans are tribal at heart.
Pick one.
ScandInavian socialism, particularly the Swedish advanced form, is crippled from the get go with the lack of basic rights for the population to speak out against prevailing ideologies, turning a paradise into a swarthy-rapist magnet.
>>76646019
This. It's remarkable that liberals generally don't adhere to consist principles. Based on OPs logic, he must not complain when the majority vote for X - anything to which OP might disagree. This discussion was derailed - on purpose - by OP.
>>76645479
>>76645479
Who is this semen demon?
>>76648013
>typing this on a computer hooked up to an electrical grid
Who pays for national defense if taxation is theft? Who pays for the roads? Who pays for the public schools for childrens too poor to afford private school? Who pays for the police? Who pays for the firefighters? You are all one way or another a benefit of these services so to act like you are better than them is fucking retarded.
>>76648506
Who is "them?"
>>76648082
Precisely why we should just pay everyone to NOT work, let's all live in the beautiful socialist Utopian paradise like Greece!
People keep forgetting that until very recently, you worked for your keep or you suffered in poverty and died poor. Nature is a meritocracy, but leftistfags always want to play le current year nonsense as if that's an excuse to pay people for simply existing.
Makes me wish many of you were born in an era where you actually had to work hard instead of play the victim or perpetually champion your victims of "muh systemic injustices". There'd be a lot fewer cunts around.
>>76648506
Stop repeating yourself. Infrastructure is collapsing, education is a farcical indoctrination scheme, and the main part of the money goes into bankers' pockets. The remainder is shared between weapons to fuck up alien countries for clandestine purposes and helping deviants turn their dicks inside out and grow fake tits.
>>76645479
Pay taxes!
> No
Pay taxes or you'll go to jail!
> No
You're going to jail!
> No
*pulls gun* Hands in the air
> This is robbery
>Taxation is not theft
depends on the amount, a small gov is okey.
>>76646019
>tfw circumcised only hours after my birth
>tfw I can't take any kind of legal action against my parents because society has decided genital mutilation is acceptable
>tfw your reductio ad absurdum argument already exists
>>76647739
>>76648071
You stupid leaf you literally have it backwards.
Libertarianism does not mean abolishment of government as your retarded ass seems to suggest. Libertarianism just means giving every citizen of a country an option to either choose the socialist destiny or leave individually.
If Socialism truly is the best way of organization, then the people will opt for it. Voluntarily.
>>76645479
Taxation is not theft. Income tax is theft.
>>76649095
That wasn't his point.
>>76648506
>Who pays for national defense if taxation is theft?
"national defense" is a meme used by Western Nations as an excuse to fund private military companies (who have strong ties to the government) in order to exploit the natural resources of foreign lands and prevent competition
> Who pays for the roads?
have you ever lived in a rural area where the government is responsible for their upkeep? the standard is always terrible, and rich areas will always have better roads. The results of private enterprise will mirror this
>Who pays for the public schools for childrens too poor to afford private school?
schooling that is administered by a centralised government does little to nothing to benefit children, the primary purposes of formalised state-backed education have nothing to do with genuine learning
>Who pays for the police? Who pays for the firefighters?
the police can get fucked, firefighters do not need a centralised government to make sure they live a good life
t. anti-capitalist anarchist, you can get fucked OP
>>76645904
If the US land was simply owned by a bunch of people, lets call them royalty, then that royalty would have the right to tax you for being born and wishing to live on their property as well. Somehow that is 100% kosher according to Rothbardian holy law, but when you replace the royalty with a government it's suddenly not?
The only libertarians with some internal consistency in their thinking are geo-libertarians ... Rothbard and his ilk are loons.
>>76645479
her body's kinda weird like she was supposed to have wide hips but they stopped before reaching the legs
How do libertanians define private property?
Seems to me that property in it's current form most always can be traced back to government territorial claims, and so should be considered theft?
What am I missing?
>>76649283
>if libertarianism is the best way of doing things then people will make it happen
>constantly getting <1% of the vote.
>>76648833
>let's all live in the beautiful socialist Utopian paradise like Greece!
you obviously no nothing about Greee
>pay everyone to NOT work
never said this
I think we should do away with the severe emphasis on education, and how ridiculous that a man cannot find work without a 3 year college degree.
You have a guy who starts school at 4, and drops out of his second year of college at 21. What are his jobs prospects? Minimum wage at mc donalds. This needs to change, and society needs to place more of an emphasis on auto-didactic learning so that those who aren't academically-inclined can find a job that isn't humiliating and degrading
better than that, get rid of the employer/employee dynamic so that a man can truly benefit from the labour he puts in
I think if I were given the choice to pay certain taxes, say for instance welfare, if I chose to not pay them then I could never receive welfare benefits I would be a lot happier and a bit more wealthier. Same for roads and unemployment benefits. Or any other type social service payed for with taxpayer dollars. I'd also like to be given a breakdown of where all my tax dollars go. I'm paying for it, shouldn't I know where it's going? So, yes, I do believe it is theft. I didn't vote for the majority of people holding office, so I'm not sure where the whole "you voted for said representatives, you knew you'd be taxed" bullshit comes from. Also given the choices of candidates I could vote for, my options are limited in that area. Fuck mob rule, nigga.
>>76648833
Instead lets pay land owners for doing no work, that will work out a lot better. Pre-plague feudalism was so much fun as a peon.
>>76649310
emphasis on reductio ad absurdum. He's comparing paying taxes to genital mutilation.
Again, libertarianism will never work. On paper sure, but not in real life scenarios. People would literally starve. Imagine the news stories on CNN when a single mother with three kids cannot make enough money to feed herself and her family and has no money for her kids education so they stay at home all day and commit crimes?
Would you be okay with kids forgoing school all together if they have no money for kindergarden and elementary school?
>>76650614
I think he was emphasizing the absurd idea that you lose any right to complain simply because the majority enacted xyz law. I'm happy to let him speak for himself.
>>76650174
>find a job that isn't humiliating and degrading
The first step is changing the idea that minimum wage jobs are only held by subhumans and failures.
What if a single mom gets a treatable illness but cannot afford the medication? Should we just leave her to die? What if someone is driving his truck and gets into a crash but does not have money to cover the costs? Just leave him to bleed out on the road right?
>>76648082
If people want to go to the forest and live a life of subsistence farming, then they fucking can. No one forces anyone to make money.
>>76651569
Is she white?
>>76645479
Weak as fuck argument
>>76651569
Are you being paid to do this, kid? Read a fucking book. Even better, ask these questions to people that know about it better than the autists here. Go to 8ch /liberty/, open a thread there. Then check the size of your butthole.
Also, read a fucking book.
>inb4 not an argument
>>76650049
>democracy
>libertarian
you failed at the very first step
Taxation is rent. You dont begrudge your landlord what he's due right? The government is your landlord and he is asking what is due of you, as in, they own every square inch of the united states land with few exceptions and you are just living in it. They made the investment and now they get to ask for what is rightfully theirs.
>>76645479
Voluntarily dissolving the institution of voluntarism is not an argument.
>>76651896
I hope your prepared for the libertarian salt you're about to attract.
>>76645479
if the majority of people in society decided your asshole should be made open for public use an hour a day, is it not rape?
also: delete your account
>>76651667
>No one forces anyone to make money.
the only alternative is death (or, as you mentioned, complete and total social isolation)
>>76651455
sure, you have tons of middle-aged people working these jobs, including parents
I think a better idea would be to make it easier to get a decent job without a college degree
>>76651896
>rightfully theirs
>>76651896
>The government is your landlord
>>76645756
>what does not belong to you
taxes belong to the government
>>76652306
>I think a better idea would be to make it easier to get a decent job without a college degree
Please elaborate your master plan to make decent (iyo) jobs available without a college degree.
>>76652450
kek
>>76652333
really makes you think huh... nice trips
If you elected an anarchist government that promised no taxes and they taxed you, that would be theft. If your country elected a politician that said he would maintain the current tax system and you were taxed, that would NOT be theft.
>>76645479
>if enough people agree it isn't theft to take your stuff
>>76645479
You better save some hate for the money printers.
They are the ones behind all the race mixing propaganda. It keeps you and everybody else from resisting their mass immigration (cheap labor) scheme.
>>76652311
You can talk about what's rightfully someones when you learn poo rightfully belongs to the loo
>>76651896
Every person has the right to property. If people have no legitimate way to gather property, then those people are not free, and thus are not in a free country.
Next.
>>76652738
>ad hom
not an argument
>>76645479
Sauce
>>76645479
I thought neet gen was on another board.
>>76652670
Do you understand how voting works, maple syrup? There are many people who don't get the politician they voted for. How is it then justified to tax them?
Protip:
It isn't.
>>76652311
Correct. The government allows you to 'own' things like land and goods, but in the end they are not yours. Just like anything, if you invest in something then you get the spoils. The government invested in acquiring the land that you stand on.
>>76652670
>it's only theft it it's stealing more than the usually enforced upon
lol
>>76649776
yeah, that's what I think errytime I see that picture posted
y'all limp-dicked goyim cant handle these Chosen titties and Jewish curves
>>76652515
>Please elaborate your master plan to make decent (iyo) jobs available without a college degree.
the obvious answer is trades : Germany and Finland both have a much higher perentage of second-level graduates going on to become electricians and plumbers and they both have a higher education rating than my county (and espeially yours)
if you want that poo to be cleaned up, then get more plumbers
from my own experience, I wanted to work in animation and was training myself privately by myself since I was 16. Almost all of the greatest animators got their first work without any sort of college degree, however it is almost necessary for my generation for some reason.
Now, I face an uphill battle (after being forced to drop out due to economic reasons) to try find work in this field, even though people less skilled than I am can find the same work easier
Is this the ideal system? No.
>>76645479
>Rape is not rape if its a gang rape
>>76652670
>If you elected an anarchist government
how on earth did this phrase make sense in your head?
>>76651896
>the government is your landlord
>>76652794
>every person has the right to property
source?
>>76653344
Prove me wrong kid.
>>76653103
Goddamn, her tits look like a virgin amateur hentai artist's work that was then turned into a caricature.
>>76653000
No, you fucking retard, I meant it sarcastically. The governemnt owns NOTHING. Even in the states the government owned jackshit before they "claimed" every unattended piece of land as theirs. There's no "public property". It's not fucking possible. There's individuals and there's private property. fin. "society" is a meme.
>>76653115
Holy fuck, you really are retarded, aren't you?
>muh trades
>muh worthless gd degree
And who'll make sure architects are trained enough so that buildings don't fall? Mathematicians? Engineers? STEM? Doctors?
Retards.
I'm not going to reply to you fags anymore. just go to 8ch /liberty/
8ch
[dot]
net/liberty
>>76648329
angelicmodel.com/members/content/wordpress/galleries/
Really /pol/, I want you to rack your brains on this.
Think about the concept of theft and what that entails, how it happens and why it happens.
Then, I want you to think about the concept of taxes, what it entails, how it happens and why it happens.
If these two concepts are the same in your head, then you might as well be a dog because you have profound mental retardation.
>>76653115
Have you any idea how entitled it makes you sound when you blame the system for not absorbing you into your dream job? Have you wondered that maybe there are more animators then there are people willing to be entertained by them? Perhaps your dream job is overcrowded?
>claims to oppose libertarianism
>posts pornographic pictures legalized by libertarian extremists
>>76652794
So you are saying that I have a natural right to land and if no land is available I can just take some of yours?
>>76653489
under a free country, that is. I thought it was self-explanatory, it's not like I was defending centralism.
>>76647739
>I still am convinced Scandanavian socialism is more realistic and probably a better system then libertarianism.
You're a fucking retard if you think so, it's quickly going downhill for every Scandinavian country, and the socialism only worked this well due to our low populations.
>>76652515
Like maybe one quarter of the people i know with university degrees work in anything related to their degree.
Exception is engineering and computer related subjects.
>>76645479
I inherited this social contract that is stifling in its unjust redistribution where the resulting situation leaves both those that contribute and those that benefit much worse-off than if we were to draw a line in the proverbial sand and say that from this moment on, everyone is responsible for their education and for their health and for their old age as well, we should let a reasonably free market provide each and every service people actually need instead of some collossal monopoly that treats one like excrement for being merely a user instead of a customer with freedom of choice
I blame my elders for being shortsighted in their implementation, for taking away my inalienable rights, for taking post-WW2 period of unprecedented growth as a baseline expecting it to last forever, for having rehypothecated my future to be able to postpone much needed and timely reform without leaving me and my children carry this backbreaking burdain they've left me, fuck that, all I see is a ponzi scheme and I will destroy it once I become the ruling majority
I want to be free, I don't want to take anything from anyone
>>76653586
Virgins have the highest most perfectly idealized vision of beauty -- it so happens that elite Jewish genetics creates the most perfect child-bearing Women.
Jewish wombs give birth to the strongest, smartest men.
>>76653868
Low, white populations. It would continue to work well with those.
>>76653591
increased employment in trades works, and is a viable starting solution/alternative
>>muh worthless gd degree
it's a lower-middle class living when you're starting out, around 20K-30K starting. It's a decent living for doing work that you enjoy. I never cared about getting an actuary's salary
>And who'll make sure architects are trained enough so that buildings don't fall?
and the fuckers who built the Taj Mahal all had college degrees, yeah?
>Doctors?
sure, they should definitely have degrees. Most professions should not require one.
Also, nobody cares about your fedora board
>>76645479
>Taxation is a choice
No. Taxes could be kept lower but pork barrel spending and progressive beliefs about government's role in our lives prevents that from happening.
>>76645479
If they majority of society votes to murder the OP because he is a faggot, does that make it not murder?
#BTFO
>>76653817
no, under a free country you have the right by law to acquire property, not steal it.
why is everyone on this board retarded?
>>76651667
Technically the state does make a fiat claim over land it never uses or touches.
If people could homestead land without paying taxes then you would have a point.
>>76653956
Jewish burgers intermarry like crazy.
Most people here agree socialism works with white populations under certain conditions. This is a fact. However, there is zero evidence of libertarianism working. Libertarians are for open borders which means more people from other countries will come into work. Next election they all vote democrat and libertarianism is over. Goodbye. Sips tea.
>>76653956
They also produce the best charcoal.
>>76653956
Jews have notoriously bad genetics. I do enjoy these tits though.
>>76653730
>when you blame the system
It wasn't a field that was academically inclined while it went through it's golden age, so why is it now?
I taught myself and took some classes on top of it, which was very typical back then. The standards are lower now, but the old methods aren't good enough for some reason. Three year degrees don't need to be completely necessary in every field of employment
>dream job
I'm talking a starter position, not a dream job
>>76653956
>Jewish wombs give birth to the strongest, smartest men.
They may be "smart" but they are cowards who rely on money and abstraction.
>>76653868
Danebro is correct. Please don't use Scandinavian Socialism as a good example - it only worked when we had very low populations of nothing but White people.
>>76654151
goyim women may only be used as sextoys for masturbation purposes -- they are real life fleshlights not worthy of breeding.
>>76647187
>he never responded
it must be painful at first to realize you've been hoodwinked and you're still a bluepilled believer in government.
>>76654125
If no one is selling at a price I could possibly afford how is that different from the government not granting sovereign land rights? I'm just faced with land lords not allowing me to acquire property rather than a government.
If you had a couple trillion to spare I'm sure the US has some land it would allow you to found a sovereign nation on ...
>>76654280
They became what once saved them during those 8 days.
>>76653956
tits look kinda shopped tho
>>76653591
No has ever 'owned' anything. Everything has always been taken by force. When you buy something with a 5 dollar bill you are using the confidence in the power of the united states government to make a transaction. When you make a transaction of any kind force is keeping you from stealing, whether the force from police, force from the other participant, or maybe you decide you have enough force to justify theft after all. People who take possession of land in the first place have been exerting force and therefore 'stealing' since the beginning of civilization. 'ownership' has never been a legitimate thing and therefore neither has theft.
>>76654531
>They may be "smart" but they are cowards who rely on money and abstraction.
They're winners and that's all that matters. Once genetic engineering and AI robotics transhumanist tech develops sufficiently it doesn't even matter. The Jews will rightfully inherit the future and transcend.
>>76654496
>Three year degrees don't need to be completely necessary in every field of employment
But specialization is what happens when there are too many people for the same job. Do you dispute this?
And "shouldn't" is not something to be said when discussing politics.
>>76654834
Imagine your strong Jewish babies feasting upon these wholesome Jewish titties
>>76645479
It is. I pay zero taxes. Poorfags gonna hate.
>>76645479
Sales tax isn't theft.
Income tax is.
>a fucking leaf
>>76654667
You keep marrying your sex toys and sending the shit which dribbles out of them on Birthright Israel tours.
>>76654755
>If no one is selling at a price I could possibly afford how is that different from the government not granting sovereign land rights?
You can opt out of acquiring land if you wish to. A great percentage of Western people rent, it's got its advantages as well.
You can not opt out of being taxed. Not legally at least.
>>76653103
>>76653956
>>76655061
Is there a specific fetish for big aerola girls like that?
>>76655242
You can opt out of acquiring your own sovereign nation and pay taxes if you wish too.
>>76655061
fuck that i'd rather feed on some titties and there's nothing wholesome about that
>>76655061
>>76653956
>>76653103
shooped kikess
>>76654973
>specialization
these degrees don't actually provide this, the animator Richard Williams was famous for criticising animation degrees for not having programmes like life drawing in their curriculums
you've mentioned twice about a flood in the market, there really isn't. I've had a conversation with a woman who works in the business end of a oscar-nominated animation company in Dublin. She told me that if I graduated, I would get a job there no problem. They're always expanding and looking for new workers. I would find it more difficult however, even if I'm better at the same job than people who did graduate.
The main difference is the degree, and this is what they're looking for. Personally, I find this bullshit.
Anyway, you don't know how this industry works and I imagine you're thinking the market is flooded because of lazy cunts who don't want a real job. Commercial Art is a very profitable venture. It's what you see when you turn on your tv.
>>76655546
>>76655433
>>76645479
This kills the leaf.
>>76655486
So you mean the current government is oppressive? Yeah I believe in that too.
>>76655714
The thing I can't remember though is if the photographer is the one that did or the shoops came later.
>>76654922
Their abstractions are not based in reality and will not stand the test of time.
You cant escape nature, you can deny it, you can cover it up, you can laugh at it, but you cant escape it.
This is why the Greek has always been superior to the Jew, Greeks accepted nature while Jews deny it.
>>76645479
>What is consent?
So if your parents and everyone in your surrounding thinks you should suck off a monkey its same as you consenting to suck the monkeys dick?
>>76655683
Point is you're attributing your personal dissatisfaction with a flaw in the system. If employers nowadays are not hiring like they used to, why do you think that is?
>>76649776
I think that stops mattering when everything else looks so good.
>>76645479
Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
If taxes are so great, how come the government has to force you to pay them?
>>76653591
the guy who hires and buys the architects will make sure they dont fuck up.
>>76646594
Theft is theft if an arbitrary % of the population agree that it is theft.
A minority of people who were elected by a minority of people have defined what theft is legally.
Taxation and theft's legal status derive from the same minority font of power. Therefore neither taxation or theft are legitimate.
>>76656358
If natural rights are so natural why is force necessary to protect them?
>>76656189
no woman is perfect
>>76654922
>>76655982
Forgot pic
The pagans will survive this demographic and ideological winter and will return to curb stomp whatever is left of the semetic cesspool.
>>76656358
Because the individual is selfish, leading to a Tragedy of the Commons?
>>76656593
Natural Rights are "Natural" because you have them weather you want to or not, force is needed to make sure no one violates these rights.
>>76647374
Remember guys: always check the flag before responding!
>>76645479
>so taxation is not theft, it is a voluntary choice.
lol
>>76645479
The only tax that is theft is income tax. That is sanctioned robbery.
>>76656052
>If employers nowadays are not hiring like they used to, why do you think that is?
a combination of issues
one is the shipping of much of the animation work overseas to sweatshops(which started in the 60s, after the golden age had ended), which results in a lower volume of indigenous jobs
another is the academic culture in general : all jobs that pay you enough to live comfortable require many years in college, no matter what the job is.
ultimately, in my position, the main difference is employers saying "I want that degree!", when really it isn't truly necessary.
Remember, these are business-orientated people, not animation-orientated. They don't know the ins and outs of the process, and which parts require formal training. Most of this work does not.
For the regular person, a good job is much harder to get than it was decades ago. My own personal opinion is that it's only going to get worse.
Before hand it was "you only have a high school degree? I only want workers with a Bachelor's Degree". Next thing you know it's be "Batchelor's Degree? I wipe my ass with those, I need my workers to have a Masters", in any line of work.
People will be going through formal education from the age of 4 until the age of 27 until they can get a real job.
>>76657060
>Natural Rights are "Natural" because you have them weather you want to or not, force is needed to make sure no one violates these rights.
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>>76657329
I disagree. You are free not to make any income. In fact you can even circumvent income tax payments by earning below a certain threshold.
I wish people in favour of taxes would stop pretending they are all used for the common good.
They are instead used so corrupt politicians get rich, to fund useless government programs and institutions. Simply to waste money on stupidly high salaries for commie public employees. And then a bare minimum to fund things like the police ( which is crumbling)
So in this case, yes taxation is theft. If i could see actual benefits from it then i wouldnt be so against it.
>>76645479
>when the majority of people vote to execute you for being a fucking leaf, who are you to call it murder?
>>76657369
All that is true and I agree.
>>76658164
that's a big step from calling me entitled :^)
>>76658338
Well you still are if your solution is to involve government in making it easier for you to find that job, in detriment of anyone else.
>>76658929
>if your solution is to involve government
I never said this, the Government is a huge part of this problem. I hate the government
we'd all be far better off if the government never intruded in the first place
>making it easier for you to find that job
I want to get jobs on my own merits, the value placed on degrees obscures what an individual's merits actually are (both through being academically-inclined, and by being able to afford going through 3-4 years of a degree)
the cream does not rise to the top
>>76645479
> Starts out argument with "sorry"
Apologetic little bitch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCWNs74264
>>76645479
If the majority of people vote that you should have a rake shoved up your ass, it's still a violation. Just because the majority of people support something, that does not make it morally ok.
Also, you are leaving out a critical piece here: politicians gain the support of voters by promising to steal from others. "Vote for me, and I'll tax these people more and give you this money". That is theft.
>>76652306
No, you are free to start your own civilization on communitarian principles. Just don't come running crying it didn't work out.
>>76645479
Voting for a party =/= Voting to get taxxed. Most of the time we dont have a say in getting taxed or not.
>>76645479
who is the big nippled, floppy titted girl?
>>76656878
>Tragedy of the Commons
is a meme, there is no such thing, because in the end it will be solved due to human cooptation.
>>76660790
>No, you are free to start your own civilization on communitarian principles.
until the taxman comes knocking
>>76656358
Because of game theory. It's possible to force everyone into a better situation for everyone. (Prisoner's paradox)
>>76647374
>Only the government can build roads!
Private companies build and maintain them
>Only the government can fight fires
Who invented the fire alarm? Sprinkler systems? Not the USSR or daddy Trudeau
>Only the government can protect you?
Then why does almost every mall/shopping centre have independent security of the cops are so good?
>>76653573
Show me the lease I signed.
>>76662379
>Private companies build and maintain them
I'm almost certain that it's a local or regional government that's giving out the call for bids.
I'm not sure how an alternative would work? Do you want to do an online doodle involving a few tens of thousands people to see if they're OK with building a road from A to B, then someone would have to take initiative to collect the money (after everyone agreed to that of course) ...
Face it - governments and taxes are almost natural in how they come about. If you'd abolish all taxes and destroy all civic infrastructure, people would just gather, demand someone to take charge, and leaders would soon emerge who gained the trust of the people.
>>76661107
see >>76653636
>>76653636
>>76663467
bandwidth limit exceeded ;_;
>>76645479
If my friends and I decide to kick your ass and take your money, the majority of the people around agreed it was the right thing to do, so it was a voluntary choice for you to get your ass kicked.
You mapleniggers really are the worst.
>>76647739
The Scandanavian welfare system is built off of capitalism. They have free trade and few licensing requirements for new businesses. They just have high taxes. That's not socialism.
Didn't realize that the people who voted for the politicians who created the IRS are still the majority today
Private companies build the roads but they only build them because they receive tax dollars. Every time you use a road you are benefiting from your tax dollars. Jet packs are not a solution.
>>76649776
>when dat gap so big you can fly through it to take out the death star
>You chose tax!
>Well, you didn't, but everybody except for you chose it.
>Before you were born.
>And you'll be put in prison if you don't accept it.
>W-Well, at least the majority wants it!
Just like the majority of Aztecs wanted human sacrifice you retarded queencuck.
> if someone comes to you and demands that you contribute money for a cause you do not believe in, and threatens to use force, it is theft and illegal
> if the mafia comes to you and demands that you contribute money, and threatens to use force, it is theft and illegal
> if a megacorporation comes to you and demands that you contribute money, and threatens to use force, it is theft and illegal
> if a majority of people in your nation, informed or not, come to you and demand that you contribute money, and threatens to use force, it is perfectly legal and you have a moral obligation to do so
arbitrary categories. fails the sniff test. sorry.
>>76653727
what the fuck is that image?
>>76646111
>taxation is theft.
You choose to live here, you choose to pay taxes.
You can always choose something else.
>>76645479
>joins gang
>takes money by force
>not theft
Suuuuuuuuure.
>>76665009
>That's not socialism.
Socialism is the public ownership of capital, and or, the public ownership of the means of production of public goods and services.
Public roads? Socialism
Airports? Socialism
Police and fire departments? Socialism
Sweden? 14% public sector versus 10% USA.
The difference? Educated, healthy people, much better quality of life. And the Swedish Bikini Team.
>>76646111
Grow up
