Where were you when the founder of wikileaks started paraphrasing the opening statements of the unabomber's manifesto?
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/julian-assange-won-mass-surveillance-illegal-spying-here-stay/#0sboIeMkYwxTS9oL.16
>“We can talk about all the laws that we want, and what policies should be and how society should behave and how it should work, but it’s gone and it will not come back short of a very regressive economic collapse which reduces the technological capacity of civilization,” he said.
If you remove the word 'regressive' from that sentence it is a perfect articulation of what Kaczinski said would be necessary for mankind to reestablish liberty and personal freedom.
Kaczinski even read an article discussing assange and basically predicted his capitulation to the unabomber's way of thinking, which can be found here:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-unabomber-takes-on-the-internet-201549030.html
Where were you when Uncle Ted's wisdom was recognized by the patron saint of technocratic revolution?
>>70365395
Here are Kaczynski's comments on Julian Assange specifically, years before his capitulation.
>Over the next three months, Murphy, on behalf of the class, exchanged several letters with the convicted bomber debating the power of the Internet. Kaczynski maintained he could not see how an individual or a small group “could exert a purposeful influence” over the Internet that would have real impact on the lives of average people. But in a letter a few weeks later, he wavered. He wrote Murphy to say he had read an article in the Atlantic about WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and conservative activist Andrew Breitbart and their use of the Internet to disseminate previously concealed information. He thought these could be examples of using the Internet in a truly influential way. Still, Kaczynski was torn. Were they influential if what they did had no concrete impact?
>“More often the revelation of public information merely gives rise to a public scandal that soon blows over and doesn’t really change anything. Maybe some politician’s career is ruined, but he’s soon replaced by another politician,” Kaczynski wrote. “So one has to ask, how much influence does Assange really have? That’s a question I can’t even begin to answer.”
I was Seers Village stocking up on coal, but I guess this is some pretty cool news
>>70365395
Didn't we stop caring about Julian 'free blowjobs 4 FSB' Assange after the russo affair?
>>70365395
He def had leftists figured out
>>70365959
No idea what you're talking about m8. Care to expand?
>>70365959
Lel
Wikileaks openly went into full PANAMA PAPERS ARE SOROS damage control like the good tovarishes they are
>>70366089
While his criticism of leftists is attention grabbing, I think he had a lot more figured out. Capitalism, western civilization, industrialism and democracy specifically.
>>70366140
Panama papers should be released in full blud, fuck half measures. That is one thing I agree with wikileaks on in principle.
>>70365678
Holy shit, Ted would love trump and memes.
>>70366203
yeah
I read it and now have trouble dealing with the fact that as an autistic electrical engineer my entire life is worthless
>>70366337
lol no he wouldn't lets be real.
>>70366140
But that's what they are.
I've come to some of the same conclusions on my own as the uni-bomber in his manifesto. Does this make me smart or just jaded?
i'm not going to unibomb anything so please no partyvan
teds manifesto is one of the most insightful things I've ever read.
>>70366406
He liked Breitbart and the change he was bringing going up against the powerful via the internet, he would at least respect that Trump is taking on the establishment and how much of an impact he's having via the net.
>>70366607
both.
I'd never bomb but I do have dreams of innawoods'ing
but I've lived in NYC most of my life and I'd probably die in the process
>>70366340
Realization is the first step towards actualization. I like the aussie poster who comes on here sometimes and talks about his plans to work until he has enough to build an early industrial off-grid settlement for himself in the outback. It doesn't meet Kaczynski's standard for a worldwide Marx-like revolution against industry itself, but from an anarchist point of view it is similar to the act of revolutionary deconstruction.
We still won't have escaped the drones and satellites, which will probably get much worse in the coming years, but it is perhaps worthwhile in the near term.
>>70365395
Wow since when did RT start shitting on everything the west has ever done?
Oh yeah since this guy founded it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lesin
Friendly reminder that he had close relationships within the Putin circle and it is highly likely that he was assassinated because of the FBI opening an investigation on Russian finances, and Lesin was ready to spill the beans on Putin.
If you read the article (quite interesting desuu) he received tons of "gifts" out of "thin air"
Notice how the media now pins Russian diplomats for tax evasion due to "leaked papers" from Panama? I'm guessing that it's an FBI front trying to draw attention to this issue to receive further funding to continue the operation.
>>70366607
>>70366625
These.
When I read it, I was like "fuck, I agree with 95% of this"
"Fuck"
>>70365395
Control your own tech consumption. We don't need to bomb anything. The most humiliating thing about Zuckerberg is that all his victims consented.
>>70366790
Dude the quote you initially replied to was precisely where he doubted the efficacy and meaningfulness of Assange and Breitbart's efforts. Reread it.
Don't want to turn this into a trump shitflinging thing either, but his family is fully integrated into the technocratic establishment that Kazynsky had foreseen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump
whens assange gonna blow the lid on the moon landing hoax? nigger said he had documents.
>>70366140
Wiki Leaks are just Russian shills now since Moscow is bank rolling Assange's stay at the Ecuadorian embassy
>>70365395
the problem is technology can be massively beneficial, except the fact that retards and jews are simply far too good at fucking everything up, i personally agree with the founding fathers of our country, retarded people shouldn't have a say in anything of importance.
>>70367069
You should read the manifesto bruh, there is solution to the industrial 'revolution' other than a counter-revolution.
>be youngest of three brothers
>we get computer when I was young
>get affected the most
>be the least social of three today
>>70367356
is no*
The only question is whether you want Larry Page and Sergey Brin or google itself running every facet of your existence in the coming future. Its that or overthrow.
>>70367307
Technology eliminates human influence over the systems we inhabit. The singularity is a real event which technocrats like to promote as if it were some masonic second coming of Christ but the reality is that most if not all values that the autonomous portion of western philosophy has contained are undermined by it.
>>70367964
nah western philosophy is fine whether or not technology exists, as it is the natural progression of things, the problem has always been intent of use, if you are gonna use it for selfish gains shit will go south, if you are gonna use it selflessly it can be used for the overall good of humanity as a whole.
>>70367356
I've come to terms with the fact that said counter revolution must include my death, since I'm genetically defective in the kind of abilities that would be of any use in a society like that. I wouldn't have even survived past age 3 if not for the system itself
>>70366607
>smart
No offense- you're probably a sharp guy- but ted laid out things that everyone from a high school graduate to a PhD professor could relate to.
We're just 'in tune' to the natural order of things- sexes are different, races are different, cultures are different. Attempts to mesh them together or force 'equality' will be chaotic or detrimental.
That's why even though I might be a lolbertarian, ted was sort of an anarcho primitivist, and /pol/ could be bootlicking NAZIs, we're all in somewhat agreement that we're not in line with nature right now, and it's causing problems.
>>70368373
You have been indoctrinated to believe that, but it isn't the case. Your parents would have cared for you past the age of 3 in a pre-industrial system. Pre-industrial society is one that originates functionally for the benefit of and from the consent of the governed, because it relies on your participation intrinsically. It is this modern system that can survive without you, not a system where your participation is functionally integral for you to even be considered its member in any meaningful way.
>>70368309
Western society has two paradoxical pillars, 'order' and 'liberty', one of which has been vastly overemphasized to the detriment of the other.
>ITT: /pol/ begins the descent into madness and domestic terrorism
Sad.
>>70366089
Damn son.
okay but he bombed people
bombing is bad desu senpai
>>70366838
I've always wanted to live in pic related and and farm with hydroponics.
>>70368487
Ted's primary point was the slowly advancing march or tyranny happened on the back of technological progress, and that things were only ever going to get worse as technology enabled more and more.
The manifesto has little to do with the what and everything to do with the how. The why is obvious, power craves more power.
>>70369432
I won't spout monosyllabic memes at you, but I will say that kindness is not the way in which you will defeat your enemies, no matter what your prime minister says.
>>70369117
/pol/s a mess.
>>70368373
that's not how it works. human violence is mediated by systems of economy and competition. people are always trying to one up each other. if the system forces them to do it nonviolently, then they will do it nonviolently.
liberals adopt the mantel of "good intent" to gain the sympathy of idiots like you, and then they destroy you by stabbing you in the back, banning your speech, making you unhireable for "hate speech" etc.
unless competetive energies are channeled into production, there is no such thing as "intent" because liberals will ALWAYS try to either kill you, or destroy your reputation.
>>70369525
I'm planning to go off the grid before I am middle aged so I can start training my body to survive in a state of total economic disintegration.
Solar cells require maintenance however, I think a mixed system with solars only being expose to the elements during chemical energy shortages in order to minimize contact with complex systems would be a good route if you were fully on-board the SHTF train.
>>70366865
anyone have an opinion on this?
>>70369117
How new are you?
>>70370444
I wouldn't be surprised. From what I understand the panama papers have technically been in the public domain for over a year but were being worked on in private by 100 different papers and news agencies.
Wouldn't be surprised to find out all of those periodicals belong to the Rothschild media empire either.
>>70370106
>Solar cells require maintenance however,
Not really? Clean them a few times a year and cover it up during winter or even take it down.
>>70370993
I thought they had like a 15 year life-span.
>>70371192
In general a modern panel will lose about 10% of its energy output in 20 years and the technology is getting better as we speak. A single 2x2m panel will give enough power for lighting for a cabin that size.
>>70370839
I agree that it could just be a power struggle between global "elites"
However, I personally think that the FBI is too big and protected to allow a group or individual take control of them.
I mean their alleged insider reaction to the Hillary emails gave me a little hope for the intelligence sectors here in the states.
I just hope they don't abuse their power, like most agencies seem to do.
>>70370106
you got it backwards, all machinery requires maintenance, but solar is much lighter and longer lasting. you should rely on the solar mainly, and have a chemical storage for winter/breakdowns.
the entropy in combustion is much higher than that of photo-voltaic harvesting
>>70371501
What about powering oven, heat, potentially closed-circuit computerized systems? And besides the degradation of the output, are there really no part replacement needs or material application necessary if you just provide protection from the elements in winter? How harmful is water exposure over time?
>>70371192
Most pannels are warrantied for 25 years, although most systems on roofs these days are owned by someone else and leased to homeowners.
You'll go through an inverter once every 7 years and batteries at an indeterminate amount (depends on how often you almost completely discharge them).
t. solar employee
>>70366406
Ted actually said in his own published writings that he believed the Democrats were more likely to protect constitutional rights than Republicans were.
He also goes on a tirade about how modern society creates people who, by virtue of living in such a coddling system as the one we have, necessarily turn to leftism the way a sex-starved young man turns to porno.
Essentially he argues that society causes the problem by interfering in the autonomy of people's lives and then offers the "solution" of vicariously struggling against imaginary problems, e.g. leftism.
Not everything in his manifesto makes sense, but he definitely wasn't the incoherent type of insane. In fact a lot of his thinking shares similarities with what Freud wrote in Civilization and its Discontents.
Anyone that wants to read his writings can see them here:
https://archive.org/stream/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-TheUnabombersManifesto/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-theUnabombersManifesto_djvu.txt
>>70371793
>What about powering oven
Gas / wood.
>heat
Wood.
>potentially closed-circuit computerized systems
A lot more power if you want to keep any computer on for extended periods.
Build a sauna for warm water and comfiness, start taking icecold showers to get used to non-warm water.
>How harmful is water exposure over time?
It's not going to do anything, considering there's a protective plastic on top of it.
I still think his essay on liberals is one of the best things I've ever read.
>>70371793
if you're going innawoods, I would look into some sort of personal energy storage device, whether it be a stationary bike, or throwing a few coils on a turbine, to which you can transfer and store energy from.
also consider this:
>>70371886
batteries suck dick, and lithium is kill especially if you're not in Afghanistan. if you can do chemistry innawoods, consider sodium based power storage devices
>>70369117
First day?
>>70371886
>although most systems on roofs these days are owned by someone else and leased to homeowners.
Absolutely unsustainable.jpg
I appreciate your advice. Its probably better in light of this conversation to maintain ideological rigor technologically speaking and follow Chinnbros advice here
>>70372078
So is Ted considered an environmentalist because he supported a return to a primitive society in general, or because he had specific thoughts about environmentalism ?
>>70365395
Speaking of which, what is assange even doing? Is he still living in the embassy?
>>70372838
>living
imprisoned, according to RT
>>70365395
>technological capacity
fucking stupid. the answer is everyone getting off the grid eventually and figuring out old-fashioned ways of getting shit done. we can still move shit around without computers
>>70368487
We are nature though. Anything that happens on this planet, or in this universe is natural. Doesn't mean it's good, but morality doesn't have much impact here.
>>70373197
Removing computers would be a reduction of the technological capacity of civilization. You're splitting hairs bruv.
>>70372377
Thanks mate, the need for lithium is specifically why I have always written off solar cells as a dead end for perpetual self-sustainability. I do intend to get up to some chemistry as well ;)
I agree with a lot of his manifesto and what I've read from his letters in prison. But is anyone that agrees with him holding out hope that technology can be improved to a point where its no longer ruining the environment? Or maybe we get to the point where the negatives of the internet have been mostly eliminated? I think I still am.
While they may be right, the reality is that this collapse will never come. We'll never get those times of freedom back.
>>70366089
Read ship of fools. Pretty good.
>>70365395
OK so lets do a small brainstorm here:
If we manage to stop mudslimes from wrecking our countries, what's to stop this happening in the next 50 odd years:
-Nuclear fusion and solar panels providing most of the energy needs, aka far far far less pollution (avoiding environmental collapse)
-Advanced economy where most jobs are done by machines and the people are supported by basic income, the level of which depends on your country obviously.
-Basic rights still protected, why wouldn't they be? Anonymity will have improved due to new encryption mechanisms. Only retards post all the personal stuff on facebook/g+ etc even today.
-People have more free time and are indeed more free to pursue their interests than ever before in the history of man.
How exactly does this fit the narrative Kaczynski and Assange etc luddites are giving us? This is a totally possible scenario if enough people want it. Mass surveillance etc are desperate attempts by states that are not at the forefront of technology but instead threatened because they are already lagging behind.
well, he was right.
even sam harris thinks so
>>70374597
What's to stop a utopian society from forming spontaneously?
Gee i dunno Ping, you tell me.
>>70373460
I hate chemistry so goddamn much, and I'm an engineer.
>>70375044
Where did I claim it would form spontaneously? I said IF ENOUGH PEOPLE WANT IT. (and the guesstimates I made about future technological steps hold).
Vote against mass surveillance. Against mass immigration. For cleantech (not the stupid kind though *cough* wind power *cough*). For protection of rights and privacy.
Always talk about these issues, write about them to papers, to politicians. Get people involved and involve yourself in movements that advance them. This can easily be the future if we choose it and make it happen.
>>70365395
Uncle Ted did nothing wrong.
