But Pol, you told that climate change was a Jewish conspiracy!
>The Arctic is on track to be free of sea ice this year or next for the first time in more than 100,000 years, a leading scientist has claimed.
>Professor Peter Wadhams, head of the Polar Ocean Physics Group at Cambridge University, told The Independent that the latest figures largely bore out a controversial prediction he made four years ago.
>"My prediction remains that the Arctic ice may well disappear, that is, have an area of less than one million sq km for September of this year," he said. "Even if the ice doesn't completely disappear, it is very likely that this will be a record low year. I'm convinced it will be less than 3.4 million sq km [the current record low].
>"I think there's a reasonable chance it could get down to a million this year and if it doesn't do it this year, it will do it next year. Ice free means the central part of the Arctic and the North Pole is ice free."
>Most of the remaining ice within the Arctic Circle would be trapped among the myriad of islands along Canada's north coast.
>The last time the Arctic was clear of ice is believed to be about 100,000 to 120,000 years ago.
haven't they said this every fucking year since An Inconvenient Truth came out?
>>76316788
Last winter was the highest recorded of ice in the world. Nice try Jew or puppet of the Jew
>>76316788
Yeah. Conservatives are right about many things, but when they deny basic science like it's some sort of religious belief, they look like fucking retards.
>>76316788
I love how he backpedals and moves the goalposts 'well, if it doesn't melt it'll still be low'
what a faggot, even if you believe in climate change, this is cringeworthy fedora shit.
I'm 30 years old and if I got a penny for every time I heard this fucking prediction on tv I could buy a burger maybe
>The last time the Arctic was clear of ice is believed to be about 100,000 to 120,000 years ago.
Were humans responsible for that too?
that fucking image
>Researchers tracked 52 sows in the southern Beaufort Sea off Alaska with GPS system collars; no boars were involved in the study due to males' necks being too thick for the GPS-equipped collars. Fifty long-distance swims were recorded; the longest at 354 kilometres (220 mi), with an average of 155 kilometres (96 mi). The length of these swims ranged from most of a day to ten days.
>The polar bear may swim underwater for up to three minutes to approach seals on shore or on ice floes.
>>76316788
>>76316894
Just because it's real doesn't mean it's not a Jewish conspiracy. Also, good dubs.
>>76316788
Wow are you telling me the weather and climate of the Earth changes????
Trying to get your shitposting tittle back from Canada huh?
>>76316788
>ice may well disappear, that is, have an area of less than one million sq km for September of this year
1 million square kilometers is not "disappearing" kike
Anyone have the link that proves that the US institute for ice or w/e it is called had faked their numbers about the melting icecaps?
>>76317729
>canada
psssh, straya is a real life shitposter
>>76316933
Show me satellite data that shows a warming trend please. None of that urban reading heat island bullshit thanks.
>>76317373
THIS
This has happened before, it's a natural process
fuck the tiny variation of plankton that might go extinct in 200 years
THE WEAK SHALL PERISH
>>76318192
The Earth is only 2016 years old your data is false!
>>76318192
The only thing that I worry about is Mercury and acidification of the ocean... Not that humans are the only thing that caused or will cause that in history but has it been in that state since we have reached this point? Oceans are important to us, we need unlimited energy and desalination maybe?
>>76318026
>urban heat island
t. Anthony Watts
>>76316788
Nobody denies climate change. They deny that it's being influenced entirely by mankind and that we need to instill measures to curb our impact. They believe that climate change is a natural occurrence.
>>76318374
Damn, your reasoning is flawless.
Guess all I can do now is kill myself
>>76318425
How was he wrong you humorless kraut, it wasn't a joke and it wasn't informative so what are you doing here faggot.
Why are you guys so against accepting climate change and it originating from humans? If it were a hoax the worst thing that could happen as a result of trying to combat global warming is we increase air quality and save some biodiversity. Seriously asking not trying to take a side.
>>76318951
Because it's being used to excuse over regulation of industries only in the first world to sink western society and usher in larger bureaucracy to maintain those regulations. They've been red for longer than they were environmentalists and you're late to the party.
>>76318951
>worst thing that could happen as a result of trying to combat global warming is we increase air quality and save some biodiversity
Which would be great except governments keep wanting to fuck around with stupid proposals like co2 taxes and solar power instead of investing in nuclear.
once again you cunts get it wrong.
The world is "warming" i.e changing but the talk about it being fossil fuels or CO2 is what's bullshit.
Natural cycle.
>>76318951
What exactly is the downside to global warming? I'm still trying to figure this one out. Life on earth will have more access to resources than it did in the past 60 million years. This is amazing. CO2 is the limiter on plant growth, so we will see more massive plants like we did in Dinosaur eras. O2 is the limiter on Animal growth so we will be blue to breed bigger and better animals, or at least more.
>>76316788
Pics or didn't happen.
>>76317373
middle ages were warmer too, must have been all those CO2 spewing factories... oh wait.
>>76319936
probably all those horses farting
BAN ASSAULT HORSES
>>76316788
>The Arctic is on track to be free of sea ice this year or next for the first time in more than 100,000 years
I BET IT WAS ALL THOSE CARS THE GIANT SLOTHS WERE DRIVING!
>>76318951
The worst thing that could happen is we start taxing people for exhaling c02 into the atmosphere.
(which is actually what the Jews are trying to do)
>>76316788
>scientists say wallaby gut bacteria is more efficient than cow gut bacteria; they eat the same food, but wallaby gut bacteria leads to far less methane being produced
>excitement; could they replace cow gut bacteria with wallaby gut bacteria and significantly reduce agricultural methane production
>no
>turns out wallabies continously burp methane instead of farting it out like cows
>methan levels roughly equivalent; wallabies constantly burp out small amounts, cows let loads out in occasional farts
JUST
>>76319783
Yes nuclear is a good option. It's already used to good effect (80% of France's energy is nuclear). US doesn't allow recycling of nuclear waste which can be used in the production process. Not to mention after 50 years of use a plant and the land around it has to be quarantined for 100 years (I think it's 100).
>>76319809
Yeah they just measured a similar increase on mars. looks like it's the sun
>>76317061
>burger
>>76319901
it's pretty hard to assess the threat from global warming.
On the one hand you have events like the End Permian event, which was the biggest extinction in Earth's history and was associated with a massive release of Carbon into the air (and therefore run-away climate change).
Then you have events like the paleocene eocene thermal maximum, which also was a period of rapid climate change, but only saw the extinction of certain groups of unicellular marine organisms, while terrestrial vertebrates rather flourished.
But then again, you have to ask to what extent these events can't be used as analogies, since both of them were processes that spanned several 10s of thousands of years, while we operate in a timespan of a couple 100 years
>>76319901
I think the stat is 60% of the human population lives in the "coastal zone" much of which could be put under water with minimal sea level rise. That's a huge loss of useable land and cities. The changes you're describing would take hundreds and hundreds of years
NEVERMIND GUYS, WE GONNA BE FINE. FALSE ALARM!!!
“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
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April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”
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1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”
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July 9, 1971, Washington Post: “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
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June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.”
>>76316788
>Oh no, a species will go extinct, even though hundreds go extinct every year due to varying factors, but polar bears were in Coke commercials so they're special.
I just cranked my AC down ten degrees.
>>76320221
I think this logical fallacy is called the slippery slope.
>>76316788
Fuck! I just traveled back in time eight whole fucking years!
I'm gonna hate to see all those sad polar bears.
Oh wait...
Earth is cooling. There has been no rise in temperature since 1990 and the average temp has decreased since 2004.
The sunspot cycle is at a minimum, the solar Maunder Minimum is approaching, and it's been nearly 1,500 years since the last mini ice age, with the average occurrence of mini ice-ages occurring roughly every 1100-1300 years.
Not only are we overdue for a mini ice age, but all of the sun's behaviors in the last few decades indicate that a massive weakening of the magnetosphere, and thus a loss of temperature, is but a generation or two away.
If you are under the age of 40 I suggest you invest in a good parka.
>>76320734
You mean our understanding of science has improved in the last 40 years!? No this must be a conspiracy
>>76320734
>a single ecologist
>a newsweek article
>a random author
>a Washington Post article
>a "climate skeptic"
even when assuming that you didn't mis-quote any of these sources, it's still a pretty pathetic lot you got there to make the point I think you're trying to make.
>>76316788
epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (which I don't doubt).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
>>76316933
Environmental Alarmists are the religious fanatics, friendo.
>>76316788
>But Pol, you told that climate change was a Jewish conspiracy!
No, climate change doomsday is a liberal faggot conspiracy, a very poor one.
Hey, what happened to all those cat 4/5 hurricanes Gore and Bill Nye and everyone else said we would get after Katrina due to global warming/climate change?
And here it's been 127 months without a major hurricane making landfall
>>76321443
very quick answer to B:
anthropogenic Carbon can be isotopically distinguished from other carbon sources, so we know the increase in CO2 isn't due to volcanoes or something like that.
>>76316788
his sitting on the head of a huge female made of ice
Does anyone else remember around 2005 when they said there would be no more ice left at the north pole in 2015?
Or in the early 90s when it was a fact that by the time we had kids they would ask us "what were trees like?"
>>76320657
They were also volcanic events that stretched across the entirety of a continent. There is no correlation to today.
>>76321436
OH SHIT! THE SKY REALLY IS FALLING! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE!!
January 2000 Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund (in a NY Times interview) on mild winters in New York: “But it does not take a scientist to size up the effects of snowless winters on children too young to remember the record-setting blizzards of 1996. For them, the pleasures of sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling, and the delight of a snow day off from school is unknown.”
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1969, Lubos Moti, Czech physicist: “It is now pretty clearly agreed that CO2 content [in the atmosphere] will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter.”
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Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect will be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska will be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”
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June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.
>>76320685
But what about the net gain of now arable, temperate land in Russia and Canada for agriculture? Wtf do I care if coastal niggers and Jews sink into the sea?
>>76321746
AFAIK the current consensus among climatologists is that the overall number of hurricanes will decrease (due to stronger wind shear in the troposphere), but the ones that do make landfall will be more powerful
>>76321936
Oh god thanks for reminding me of the Tree Museum meme.
>>76322147
>current consensus
Funny how whimsical these assholes are. It's almost like they don't even use the scientific method, or something.
>>76322147
OK then why has at LEAST one cat 1 or 2 storm made landfall every year since then?
My Mom lives in NC and every time there's a hurricane I call her to ask what its like.
"Windy. And rainy."
That's it.
I'm just glad that the climate deniers are such science experts! All their lives they've lived by the scientific method and used it to test a myriad of things. I'm glad to know the that the deniers have spent their lives critiquing scientific research and that this isn't the very first time since high school they've ever cared about the quality of a set of data.
>this meme again
Arctic sea ice is on a downward trend and has been for the last 20 years.
Doomsayers love to use it as a meme to predict the end of the world because "it's not happened for 100,000 years" - despite the fact that in the previous inter-glacial period, there was no free sea ice AT ALL during the warm maximum.
Why? Arctic sea ice is 2 metres thick in winter. Compare this to the icecap on top of Greenland at an average of 4,000m thick and you see why it's literally nothing.
In fact, the Greenland ice sheet has barely budged in terms of outflow rate for the last 30 years, despite the decline in summer maximum of sea ice.
>Wow, it's fucking nothing
>>76322772
Read the sticky, you stupid faggot.
>>76322772
I'm just glad you're mature enough not to attempt to belittle your ideological opponents and belive you're making an argument in doing so
>>76323042
Not an arrangement :^)
>>76322619
>colored lines
that's offensive, they oughta be called lines of color
>>76321905
i see it
what if we nuke the ice caps?
bam
no more extra water to worry about
>>76322931
>"it's not happened for 100,000 years"
Just curious, how does one even make this prediction? What is it based on?
>>76321443
I'm finish up an environmental biology degree so I'll quickly answer these and my sources would be lectures and my text books - I'm sure you could search for specifics from what I've said here.
A. Irrelevant as you already agree
B. I would have to explain how the lower levels of the atmosphere work - but basically it can be explained by the greenhouse effect.
C. The main greenhouse gases are in someway caused by human actions;
CO2: burning fossil fuels
Water vapor: naturally occurring but also caused by large scale industrial farming and irrigation
Methane: large scale animal husbandry (cows/pigs) and waste (land fills)
D. I don't have these stats off hand
E. This is retarded
F. What
G. The carbon footprint of creating turbines is offset within months. Renewable energy is the answer going forward. There are cons with the current technology of course. Solar can only be used in sunny parts of the world and not at night. Photovoltaic solar uses silica which can requires a lot of fresh water to produce. Wind turbines are ugly, loud and often have to be placed far away from where the power is needed.
H. Pouring tax payer money into what exactly? The EPA? Explain what you meant
>>76318192
This is some racist science. It indicated 15 000 years ago the earth was cold, so it does mean the egyptian was white because white people live in cold and black in hot. But we all know Egyptians was black. Checkmate science.
>>76316788
did climate change cause the ice to melt 100,000 years ago?
>>76323520
>It's not happened in "x" years, therefore it's extraordinary
>picking an arbitrary length of time to support your supposition
We've had multiple glaciation events throughout the last geological epoch. Each has varied in intensity and duration - along with similar effects in the inter-glacial warm periods. Cherrypicking the last 100,000 years - which puts us at the last warm period - is stupid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png
>higher temperature at 125k years ago
>Correspondingly smaller icecap
>Purecoincidence.jpg
>>76321194
I have one, it's so comfy
>>76323815
Yeah. That was those stupid Neandertals and their SUVs.
>>76323139
>emoticons
Fuck off back to wherever you crawled from.
Climate science is crackpot smokery okey-dokey bullcrap
There's a top quantum physicists that makes fun of climate scientists because they usually can't grasp the most basic concepts like solving systems of several layers using differential equations. In other words, their models and predictions are worthless because climate scientists are poorly educated charlatans.
He has debunked every single climate alarmist argument:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2014/05/global-warming-vs-climate-change.html
>>76324165
Why would a climate scientist need to solve systems with differential equations. Why would a physicist think he knows more about climate science than them? This is retarded.
>might
>likely
>reasonable chance
Then he'll just retract in 3 years like they always do and pretend it'll happen soon anyway.
He already did this shit 4 years ago just read the article.
If you're a climate scientist and you don't regularly say those bullshit they'll make you lose your job and reputation because you're breaking the concensus and might reduce the fundings.
Literally the jews.
>>76323642
THE RAREST OF THEM ALL
>>76316788
lies, lies, lies oooohh lies
>>76323886
if it does indeed cool, vegas will actually be habitable from june-september. sweet
>>76323642
Hey your flag even looks like a sliced watermelon
>>76324285
>Why would a climate scientist need to solve systems with differential equations
Because you have to, unless you want your models to be highly inaccurate. Oh wait.
>Why would a physicist think he knows more about climate science than them?
Why wouldn't them? Physicists are highly trained in mathematics, solving complex systems and physics. Far more educated and ready to tackle the issue than any climate scientist can hope to be. The specific content related to climate is no big deal.
>>76324285
>why would a scientist modeling rates of change need to model them with equations describing rates of change
>>76317373
good point. and i will play the "paths carved into the alps in the 17th century that nowadays disappear into glaciers" card once again
>>76324585
It's not that climate science is some impossible to grasp concept, but you aren't going to understand shit like gaseous content of each level of the atmosphere and what levels are relevant I'd youre not taught it. It serves to think someone trained in a specific field would know more than one who isn't
>>76320685
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
>>76318192
>You may also see that methods such as differential equations or dimensional analysis - and order-of-magnitude estimates - go well beyond Weart's abilities when he repeatedly says that having "many layers" of gases makes the whole situation extremely difficult. It is not that difficult and a good physicist knows how to solve the differential equations that arise in this context.
lmao, how can climate science ever recover
>>76323642
What is that flag?
>>76324753
Climate science is 2+2 for a quantum physicists. And he's been writing about it for years, destroying every argument with irrefutable precision.
>>76316933
Liberals only "believe" in science that fits their agenda. The second you bring up racial science or basic sexual dimorphism they set their pseudo-science lasers to maximum capacity and start spamming you with black science man bill nye bullshit.
I don't know much about global warming as I don't really give a fuck about it, but from what I've heard it's not exactly universally accepted among scientists that we are the ones causing it.
And even if "we", as in all humans, are causing it, the main culprits are going to be middle/east asian countries anyways.
>>76324617
she's cute. sauce?
>>76324876
guadalupe
>>76323571
B. How do you directly link it to human activity?
C. I'll give you the methane; cows and pigs do exist more thanks to us. However, what is your solution to this? Stop/curb ranching?
D. Then into the trash it goes.
F. Why should I give a shit about the future, if Europe will be overrun with disgusting muzzies and the US will be overrun with millions of taconiggers? If liberals want to destroy my progeny's futures with mass immigration, why should I give a fuck if it is destroyed via warmer weather?
>G. The carbon footprint of creating turbines is offset within months.
I'm gonna need a citation on that one, faggot.
>Renewable energy is the answer going forward.
Maybe when the technology isn't complete and utter shit like it is now.
>H. Pouring tax payer money into what exactly?
The entire industry. Do you know how much we subsidize those shitty technologies? How many millions go in to help out those faggots build their shitty windmills and solar panels?
>>76325038
Methane is absolutely irrelevant. It only takes 10 years to go away.
Just like the last 20 times this was going to happen, right?
I think I'll hold off on becoming a greentard
>>76324651
WHAT FLAG IS THIS
>>76324617
Because they just make up the numbers they want to see anyways.
Then again I guess it would help to understand how to adjust the computer model to get the results you are going for.
>>76325177
Looks like Kazakhstan.
Yep, it is.
>>76317388
How the fuck does a bear swim for ten days?
>>76316788
I would like to see the Arctic with no ice send the shit skins there.
>>76316788
>Hold on, if climate change is real, how come sea ice is at an all-time high?
>Don't be stupid, climate denier, the sea ice is unimportant. It's the land ice that matters!
>BREAKING NEWS: SEA ICE MAY DISAPPEAR!
>>76325038
B. Water vapor cannot be specifically linked to humans because it's the same composition as would normally occur, there is more of it from the reasons I listed. The others are not naturally occurring naturally at the levels it is now. There are others that we have contributed to the atmosphere like CFCs which are human created and can be measured.
Another interesting subject to look up would be the Grasshopper effect - high persistence human created chemicals (DDT) are found in untouched Arctic tundra.
C. This is a good question that I honestly don't have an answer for. Industrial Animal husbandry is responsible for so many ecological problems. Land loss, methane pollution, rain forest deforestation, ocean dead zones off the coasts caused by farm runoff.
Honestly the only solution is to not eat meat but thats impossible and I won't be participating in that shit.
D. Sorry I'm on my phone so it's difficult
F. I don't think climate change has to be a political issue really, we should work together to help curb it. I'm a republican but as I said I'm finishing an environmental biology degree.
G. I can't site as I said I'm on my phone, but the carbon footprint is minimal.
Agree that improvements need to be made but that doesn't mean we can't use renewable energy in its current state.
H. Oil companies receive huge subsidies, like massive. Meat producers and buyers also receive huge subsidies.
I've honestly not heard of wide subsidies for organizations that produce renewable energy. I know there are tax breaks on smaller levels but that's all I've heard of.
>>76319901
Desertification and flooding you moron
>>76326614
How do you even have running water much less internet access?
>>76326614
How do you even internet?
THE SKY IS FALLING
>>76321443
Sauce?
Let me make a bold scientific prediction, the temperature will either get hotter or cooler next week. Now give me government grant money plz
>>76324502
Gonna invest in a home now kek
>>76326555
First off, nice trips.
>B.
So you can't scientifically link them. Into the trash your shitty theories go then.
>C.
We can agree here. There is no solution to this.
>D.
Let's talk when you aren't on mobile, m80. I'd love to actually have a discussion. As in my copypasta, no one can ever bring forth the stats to back up any claims. I'm always open to being proven wrong but I just never have been.
>F. I don't think climate change has to be a political issue really
M8, one of the biggest platforms the lefties have right now is climate change. Whether it holds any water or not, they are willing to pour millions and millions into it. Just look who's backing the politicians who are pushing that shit.
>G.
>the carbon footprint is minimal.
Again, when you get home, we need to have a real discussion because I've heard the exact opposite - that the carbon footprint will never be made up for during the entire lifetime of those shitty things. This includes transfer on the trucks and on-site construction with the cranes.
>H. Oil companies receive huge subsidies, like massive. Meat producers and buyers also receive huge subsidies.
I'll agree that that's fucked up. We need to stop subsidizing this shit. Let the free market roam.
>I've honestly not heard of wide subsidies for organizations that produce renewable energy. I know there are tax breaks on smaller levels but that's all I've heard of.
Honestly, the only reason renewables are such a big deal is because of all those subsidies they receive. They'd honestly collapse otherwise.
>>76318192
>>76319809
So looks like everything is on Gods schedule as usual.
Why should we give a single solitary fuck about this again?
>>76326851
>>76328420
Neither of you have lived out in a remote place but satellite is the standard for Internet out in remote places.
>>76316788
holy shit, there's still people in /pol/ who believes in the global warming meme
>>76325749
>I iz reed gud
>>76316788
Why did it disappear 100,000 years ago?
Was that us as well? We must have been polluting really bad with all those cave fores and hunting mammoths.
>>76329574
Nah we get a fiber optic cable from some western country then the government sells that to us
But seriously it's great to see the retards in this thread act like they know better than most scientists while spouting that "look the news got it wrong lel XD btfo" as an argument literally just google your argument and you'll get 3 reasons why it's retarded
>>76329246
Well if the thread is up when I'm home I'll break out my books and look for online sources too
>>76330727
Ah cool. I'm glad you guys get fiber optics. Satellite sucks.
As for people being ignorant. Well that happens. I don't know what to do about it. A lot of people get very invested with ideologies to the point of not being able to objectively look at them anymore.
What the data seems to be saying to me is that the climate is warming and it seems to be cyclical. Also we can do nothing to change it. Only adapt.
>>76330331
I love how you idiots like to pretend you know about climate history when all the experts are extremely concerned about the human impact on global warming.
>>76329741
We're talking about Africa here. Countries where over 90% of the population like on less than 2 bucks a day!
I spend quite a bit of time in rural areas but live in the city so maybe that's why I'm not familiar with what you're saying.
We are living in an interglacial period of an ice age. Eventually this warm window is going to end and it's going to get way fucking colder. Global warming might actually balance it out.
>>76316788
I honestly have no fucks to give because I have bills to pay.
>>76325411
They're bears. They mean business. There is a reason they beat nearly any animal in single combat.
>>76316788
but it has been free of sea ice before?
>>76331110
Where do all the extremely concerned scientists get their grant money from? And if they do toe the line what happens to that grant money?
>>76325021
>she
>>76316788
Ayy lmao.
Wonder who burned all the fossile fuels back then.
>>76325021
Are you even serious
>>76331774
>implying big business doesn't spend tons of money going the other way to avoid interference
wel memed kiddo
>>76330728
Make it happen, captain.
As stated, I'm always down to have open discussion and be proven wrong.
>>76332124
>research that conflicts with global warming narrative is oil shills
>but government funded studies are perfectly valid
>>76326555
>C. This is a good question that I honestly don't have an answer for. Industrial Animal husbandry is responsible for so many ecological problems. Land loss, methane pollution, rain forest deforestation, ocean dead zones off the coasts caused by farm runoff.
Solution is to do that animal husbandry in more responsible way, eat more pork or chicken instead of beef or to develop a way to grow beef in petri dish. GMO cattle that farts less is one possible approach.
When it comes to deforestation caused by animal husbandry there has to be policy to replant forests or cycling grazing areas in sustainable way.
The problem with environmental responsibility in 3rd world shitholes is the fact that local shitskins tend to be too stupid to understand benefits of sustainable farming.
Farm runoffs can be managed by building proper barriers around rivers, using less fertilizers in better optimized way, usually involving crop rotations.
What to do with manure, use it as energy, put manure in bioreactor, harvest methane and use it for heating, cooking and shit.
>>76334412
Yes responsibility is important, but the pure amount of (mostly cows) animals we have for food makes some of these impossible to fix. Cows inhabit more land than humans world wide. Current crop use is something like 60% to feed only animals, statistic is similar with fresh water. People who speak out against deforestation in South America are routinely jailed/killed (looking at you Brazil)
You make good points
>>76335321
>Yes responsibility is important, but the pure amount of (mostly cows) animals we have for food makes some of these impossible to fix.
Changing culinary habits isn't that hard, tools that can be used in first world to change 'em can be as easy as changing farming subsidies to favor more sustainable types of meat, mostly pork and chicken. First world can also indirectly influence meat exporters like Brazil or Argentina with tariff policy that favors pork or chicken instead of beef or requiring sustainability certificates for beef. Producers tend to follow money.
>People who speak out against deforestation in South America are routinely jailed/killed (looking at you Brazil)
I know. Third world corruption at it's finest.
Generally biotechnology can be used to make world lot more sustainable, but the biggest problems for that are food industry lobbyists in first world and corruption in 3rd world. The biggest problem with global warming and getting it under control is unsustainable population growth in 3rd world countries. Even if 1st world can manage to switch to cleantech solutions and become more sustainable, it's undone almost immediately by 3rd world. Big part of solving the issue is to force 3rd world to face consequences of it's uncontrolled population growth and to prevent 3rd worlders from immigrating into higher consumption countries.
>>76336495
These levels of national and international oversight aren't realistic even if they're what need to be done. It would be impossible in America. Yes developing nations, especially China and India, are responsible for more carbon pollution and energy consumption than all developed countries combined. It's not clear how to stop them other than crush them with requirements and oversight. But that could only happen if they agree to being watched, and China will never play along.
That being said the Paris talks in February were a step in the right direction
>>76337025
China is already starting to clean up it's act due to fact that local pollution is huge problem and that has to be solved, greenhouse gas emissions will get at least partially dealt at same time.
India and rest of third world are probably bigger problems on long run, but India too has many of same issues as China with pollution, but India is generally even more corrupt and inefficient at fixing it's shit.
Africa is the part of the problem that haven't been solved as it's population growth is still massive. Once they start to develop economically they too will start with coal as it's cheapest way to produce energy in most cases. Even if rest of the world helped them start their development straight with clean energy sources... empire of dust comes to mind. African countries are far too internally divided due to tribal policies and off the chart corruption.
>>76337849
Good points. Good discussion
>>76316788
World was created 7000 - 8000 years ago.. yet it's first time in 100 000 years... wtf.
>>76338708
Still waiting for them sources, lad.
>>76339297
I'm still at work friend
>>76339797
And you know damn well this thread will be dead before you can deliver.
>>76340167
Nah I'll be home in 10
You don't get to dismiss my knowledge that easily
>>76316788
Boo hoo. Think of the poor bears.
>>76316788
Imagine all the fossils we can dig up from the early cretaceous period there
>>76340483
The polar bears serve as a flagship species, which makes them important.
>>76317810
>>76316788
Arctic Reality
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008
>>76317373
>>76318175
>>76319936
>>76324651
>Climate has previously changed naturally
>Ergo it cannot change artificially
>All of this happening at the height of industrialization after a titanic release of a known greenhouse agent is just one big (((coincidence)))
>>76316788
So what? I like polar bears but they need to adapt
>>76341983
>>76317810
>>76316788
>Arctic Reality
Arctic Fraud
>>76321443
>>76340167
This is from an IPCC report. RCPs are the representative concentration pathways, you can google the numbers to see the corresponding graphed predictions.
"Global temperatures averaged over the period 2081–2100 are projected to likely exceed 1.5°C above 1850-1900 for RCP4.5,
RCP6.0 and RCP8.5 (high confidence), are likely to exceed 2°C above
1850-1900 for RCP6.0 and RCP8.5 (high confidence)"
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter12_FINAL.pdf
Details all of your climate related questions dealing with origination and predicted results.
>>76342141
>>>76341983
>>>76317810
>>>76316788
>>Arctic Reality
>Arctic Fraud
More Arctic reality from the same date. compares to >>76342141
Red is lost ice from a year, Green is gained ice from a year ago.
>>76316788
>a leading scientist has claimed.
lmao
>leading
like science is a race
and this guy is at the front
also
>claimed
leading scientists also claimed the world was flat remember that?
>>76316788
Guess he never heard of El Nino winters and thinks it's climate change.
>>76316788
why did it disappear 100,000 years before?
Inconvenient!
>>76318425
>Urban Heat Island
That sounds like porn.
>>76317373
No you dummy , it happened naturally , this time it s accelerated artificialy
>>76325411
>How the fuck does a bear swim for ten days?
They float while resting, are mostly balls of fur and fat.
>>76318192
How many times will you or your buddies post one of these stupid graphs. It tacks high frequency data (measured every day) onto the end of low frequency data (time resolution of 70+ years). Put that spike through a 70 year smoother and it disappears.
Now here's data that doesn't mix low frequency data with high frequency data. Guess what? No hockey stick blade! No massive uptick!
Source: Beck, Ernst-Georg. "180 years of atmospheric CO2 gas analysis by chemical methods." Energy & Environment 18.2 (2007): 259-282.
Stop your statistical garbage!
>>76316788
Honestly why dont we just take all the polar bears and bring them to antarctica.
>>76318612
Not even just that it's also that why should we care? The strong live the weak perish. By the time we make the earth unbearable to live in nigger land the white race will be colonizing the stars anyway, also the problem is polluting billion strong 3rd world shitjole building coal powersrations every other day, not the west.
>>76337849
>China is already starting to clean up it's act due to fact that local pollution is huge problem and that has to be solved,
Top kek tell the Chinese, faggot.
>>76316788
its totally fake, us changing the atmosphere by pumping loads of CO2 doesn't change anything, i mean just look at times before temperature was consistently and accurately recorded like medieval times, those times were so much warmer
>>76343107
>>76321774
FALSE
Munshi, Jamal, Changes in the 13C/12C Ratio of Atmospheric CO2 1977-2014 (May 18, 2016). Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=2781465 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.2781465
Abstract:
Data for the 13C fraction in atmospheric CO2 from six different measurement stations in the sample period 1977-2014 are studied to estimate its dilution by fossil fuel emissions. No correlation between the annual rate of fossil fuel emissions and annual change in the 13C fraction of atmospheric CO2 is found. We conclude that the 13C data for atmospheric CO2 do not serve as empirical evidence that changes in atmospheric CO2 since the Industrial Revolution can be attributed to fossil fuel emissions.
>>76316788
>Peter Wadhams
***###Wadhams###***
Yeah last summer was hot as fuck, winter was warm
How are my future chilluns going to sled and play hockey if winters are shit?
Weather changes cyclically
You cant prove this is man made
>>76342933
Because they'd be upside down. Then all the blood would rush to their head and they'd die.
tldr: Science
>>76342726
You've fallen for the science cucks. No educated scientist today can argue with the accurate data of climate change and man made induced global warming. If you put your data on a geologic timescale there would be no blip at all, dumbass. It would be the flattest fucking line you ever saw.
Unfortunately, dumbass, humans don't have a geologic life span so your posit is refuted and you are remanded back to high school science.....unless you are already there.
>>76343870
>wah, wah, wah don't use statistical logic!! Its beyond me!
Yeah, its perfectly OK to clamp together high frequency and low frequency data.
They teach that in every statistics class.
Back to remedial algebra you go.
>>76318413
You are probably the smartest one in the thread.
Climate change is definitely a real and cyclical geological process, humans are most likely fucking it up, but ultimately it's not as much of a problem as a vast number of other things we are doing.. we are living in a man made mass extinction. Hopefully we pull through. The earth, however, will bounce back with or without us, as it did at the end of the Permian.
>>76343293
This proves that it is from fossil fuels. You should really read before you post these things. 12C is taking a larger fraction of the carbon isotopes in the atmosphere which is why the ratio of 13C is lowering. 12C is from plant based sources, which means coal, which means anthropogenic. Im sure youll ignore this though.
>>76344474
Yeah, right. No correlation with fossil fuel output proves that the ratio is caused by fossil fuels.
You're oversimplifying the situation.
"Indeed it is not directly possible to make a distinction between 13C depleted fossil fuel burning and 13C depleted vegetation decay. The fingerprint of d13C changes by vegetation over the seasons is much larger than from fossil fuel burning (~60 GtC vs. 8 GtC, with about the same average d13C level)." Prof. Roy Spencer, co-inventor of satellite temperature analysis.
>>76324959
>the main culprits are going to be middle/east asian countries anyways
Sure, too bad america dodged the tokyo convention. Also one of the main reasons is intensive farming, not really asia/middle east related.
>>76316788
Does this mean greenland will be open to colonization?
Might just make portugal relevant again.
>>76344934
What are you even trying to say
>>76343107
>Top kek tell the Chinese, faggot.
Solving the pollution issues are matter of survival for Chinese communist regime if not for Chinese people. They are heavily investing into clean energy production and reducing pollution as result. Effects won't be immediate.
Think it this way.... Even Apollo program failed to land on moon within hour of it's first budget being approved. 183 F-22's didn't suddenly appear out of thin air when Advanced Tactical Fighter program was authorized.
>>76343668
>How are my future chilluns going to sled and play hockey if winters are shit?
You are on 4chan. You won't have future chilluns. When it comes to /hoc/ it can be played in indoor arenas.
>>76343735
>Weather changes cyclically
Climate isn't weather. Climate is long term pattern of weather.
>>76345377
>Does this mean greenland will be open to colonization?
>Might just make portugal relevant again.
Already colonized by Denmark.
>>76316788
>scientist has claimed
>>76345833
Yeah but you know, for real this time.
>>76345850
>it's another episode of: basement dweller with no education discredits stuff without posting sources
oh no...
>>76345833
>Solving the pollution issues are matter of survival for Chinese communist regime if not for Chinese people.
Except no; the Chinese gubment don't give a shit about pollution.
>>76346262
A lot of uneducated people in this thread
>>76316788
Climate change is absolutely real. Man-made climate change, on the other hand, is not proven to be real.
>>76319936
https://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm
>>76346434
No wonder most posts are made by american posters.
>get rid of ozone layer
>let some extra water evaporate
why wouldn't this work?
>>76316788
>>The last time the Arctic was clear of ice is believed to be about 100,000 to 120,000 years ago.
Even the corporations back then were just as evil.
>>76318374
>The Earth is only 2016 years old your data is false!
It's the United States that is 2016 years old, not the earth.
>>76346721
where do you think that water goes? Water Vapor is the most prevalent greenhouse gas
>>76316788
NOBODY EVER HAS FUCKING DENIED CLIMATE CHANGE
ITS FUCKING NORMAL
CLIMATE CHANGE IS FUCKING NORMAL
WHATS DEBATED IS HOW MUCH HUMANS HAVE DIRECTLY INFLUENCED FUCKING CLIMATE CHANGE
>>76320773
GOOD GOY.
>>76321443
>E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
Because it will have unpredictable effects on global ecosystem. You are unfortunately part of said system. Many of those hipster infested coastal cities are heavily industrialized or at least used to be, there are tons of pollution in soil of those cities. Once it gets underwater, lot of poison will be released into local now maritime ecosystem.
>F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
Protecting environment by preventing people from low energy consumption countries to immigrate into high energy consumption countries is elemental in dealing with global warming. Same logic applies to consumption of any other natural resource. Only way to stop uncontrolled population growth in Africa is to force Africans to face it's consequences in full force by preventing uncontrolled immigration.
>G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
Solar power in very effective in many places, energy storage technology is advancing. Real solution to energy lies in nuclear power, but for hippies that one word will cause their heads to melt. Also heavy investment into fusion research might bring long term solution, but that is always 30 years off. So thorium based fission is an option.
>>76346262
> muh education
So. Whato usefulo stuffo you learnedo duringo youro educationo timeso ando howo longo dido ito take?
>>76316788
>The Arctic is on track to be free of sea ice this year or next for the first time in more than 100,000 years, a leading scientist has claimed.
Yeah... You wanna put money on that, you stupid Aussie cuck.
>Arctic ice melts , get to see all the ancient Atlantis ruins
>>76321443
>H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
Private sector is usually rather reluctant to invest into basic research. That is usually funded by public institutions. Private sector does mostly application research based on basic research done by public sector.
Current private space programs are good example. It took almost half century for private sector to start doing it on their own... or at least almost on their own as public sector space programs are their biggest clients.
>>76344935
> intensive antropogenic deserts, that mudslimes create everywhere are not the problem
> something of white people must be the problem
> muh education
>>76347668
> next episode > misogyny creates global warming
>>76316788
The question still remains. Why would the Jews lie about this? What's to gain?
>>76347668
>>76347869
>dumb ruskie doesn't even know how to reply or greentext properly
>intensive antropogenic deserts, that mudslimes create everywhere are not the problem
better be b8ing my dude
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/592932/Polar-ice-caps-increase-volume-third-cool-summer-halts-melting-Arctic
>http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html
>http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/wheres-global-warming-arctic-ice-cap-grows/
>https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/05/polar-ice-caps-more-stable-than-predicted-new-observations-show/
>http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-environment/259287-nasas-study-on-antarcticas-ice-its-growing
might be useful in the future
>>76348026
Better be answering, mia scientisto.
>>76348175
>http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
your only valid source says this right at the top
" While the Antarctic sea ice yearly wintertime maximum extent hit record highs from 2012 to 2014 before returning to average levels in 2015, both the Arctic wintertime maximum and its summer minimum extent have been in a sharp decline for the past decades."
>>76347980
They want the west to deliberately hurt its own industries, causing the economy to fail. Then they'll claim the failure is due to lack of diversity and flood the nations with shitskins and take over.
>>76346353
>Except no; the Chinese gubment don't give a shit about pollution.
They didn't give a fuck until problems with pollution became too big to ignore. Chinese political stability is based on governments ability to provide stable economic growth to it's people, pollution has started hinder their ability to deliver that. Modern day Chinese people aren't illiterate peasants like they used to be in past and they can now vote with their Yuans.
Picture pretty fucking related.
>>76348562
this is some next level mental gymnastics desu
>>76347980
>Why would the Jews lie about this? What's to gain?
A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)
Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”
In 1988, a former Canadian Minister of the Environment told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”
Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France said: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#1a566c5076fb
>>76348622
>They didn't give a fuck until problems with pollution became too big to ignore.
You're talking like this is somehow in the past.
>>76317388
The issue is that they need the ice to hunt.
>>76348691
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#1a566c5076fb
>science
>"debunk"
every. single. time.
kek. People have been bitching about an ice free arctic for damn near a century. I'm not worried in the slightest
>>76348562
>>76348691
Shit. I didn't realize that this one was actually part of their plan. I assumed it was just a cheap distraction while they fuck us in some other way.
do you guys think that pumping increasingly larger amounts of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere just does nothing
i get if your saying climate change is overrated but we are forcibly changing the world at a fast rate
>>76324617
>dat hairline
Pretty sad desu senpai
>>76348989
I already answered it.
In previous post....
>Effects won't be immediate.
... and even provided couple similar examples from glorious 'murrica.
>Think it this way.... Even Apollo program failed to land on moon within hour of it's first budget being approved. 183 F-22's didn't suddenly appear out of thin air when Advanced Tactical Fighter program was authorized.
It takes time to get shit done.
>>76349208
Climate Change is a religion.
Even the arguments here follow the language.
>you aren't a Climate Change "denier" are you, anon? You do "believe" in it, don't you?
Science is a process, not a belief.
Anyone claiming otherwise is selling something.
>>76349558
>doesn't buy into global warming alarmism
>so he must a an anti-environmental oil rabbi
>>76316788
It must be humans. When this happened 100,000 years ago, we all know humans were the cause.
>>76350012
he didnt include any ad hom argument in that post, why are you so defensive?
How fucking stupid do you have to be to deny this? Shipping companies are already planning better routes when the arctic ice is gone. Basically believing the ice isn't melting is like believing the moon landing was fake, or the earth is flat. Sheer unadulterated stupidity, you all should be embarrassed for yourselves and for your parents.
>>76316788
"It’s always the free flow of information which is the major threat to the American way of life. To right-wing guys, there’s nothing more dangerous than free access to information. And you know what that stems from? It stems from the beginning of Christian theology, when Adam and Eve were in the garden, how did we get into trouble? It wasn’t because it was an apple, it was the fruit of the tree of knowledge, so the essence of Christianity is, nobody gets to be smarter than God and access to knowledge and ownership of knowledge damns you. Knowledge itself is the work of the devil. We must not have knowledge and what leads to knowledge? Information. Nip it right there, nip it in the bud."
so rather than acknowledge a problem and work toward a solution lets politicize the issue so that some very wealthy individuals don't have to decrease their profits. Well done /pol/. You're being played for fools.
Go team! Another score for our team and anyone that disagrees is a dirty commie.
>>76350862
They're just uneducated contrarians. Funny to read their thoughts though.
>>76316788
>100,000 years
Nice geological timescale
>>76316788
The arctic never existed in the first place, m9
>>76350862
>deny
>Heretic! Disbeliever!! Blasphemer!!!
There's that religous language again.
Vikings established colonies in Greenland 1000 years ago during a warmer period that were later frozen out when the climate changed.
As little as 40 years ago, climate scientists were claiming we'd be in a new ice age by now because "particles" from industrial pollution would blot out the sunlight and lower temperatures.
The sky is always falling, and the solution is always more taxes.
>>76316788
I never said climate change wasn't real it's the amount of influence we have on it that's total horseshit.
>>76351987
Religious language lol you're the only one posting that shit, you sound like an insane person
>>76351987
>Vikings established colonies in Greenland 1000 years ago during a warmer period that were later frozen out when the climate changed
is there solid evidence for this, or is it speculation
I don't know about climate change, but the white bears are shrinking.
Google it.
>>76351987
>The sky is always falling, and the solution is always more taxes.
this
>>76352455
'Believers' and 'Deniers' sounds like two sides in a religious war to me.
I'll consider becoming a Believer when Climate Change predictions become more accurate.
And, when the Climate Change believers aren't the same people who think sending billions of dollars of food aid a year to Africa so they can continue their exponential population growth is a good idea.
One of these things is not like the other...
>>76353436
Also, I have no problem with climate whatever. I have a problem with a supra-national totalitarian regime monitoring my shower temperature.
>>76352710
The internet isn't just for Jewbook and porn, anon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland
>>76316788
I don't give a shit about animals going extinct, especially other predators.
>>76324384
I thought Vatican flag was rarest?
has Bhutan ever showed up?
>>76316788
>climate change nuts have to photoshop pictures to prove its really habbeding
http://www.coastalwatch.com/environment/8134/the-essential-beach-book
>>76330727
Never seen that flag before
>>76342726
>CO2 going down when the world became more industrialized
lel
>>76353859
Things like predators going extinct will have effect on population of their prey... that might have more effect on other levels of ecosystem... a system you are also part of. Changes in ecosystem might have effect on you.
>>76342006
Also, 4chan was launched in the same month that commercial supersonic air travel was ended. The Concorde plane made its final commercial flight a mere 23 days after this website was launched. Perhaps shutting this website down will bring back supersonic air travel.
That is how you sound. Just because two things happen around the same time does not mean they're connected. ESPECIALLY if there is an established pattern of behavior with one of the things in question. If climate change has been behaving the way it is ever since there has been a climate, it is unreasonable to assume some unrelated thing we're doing now is responsible for the climate following its pattern.
>>76325411
There's a record of some lady swimming for 3 days from Cuba to Florida. It's possible
>>76355488
>lady
>Cuba
I've been to Cuba. There aren't any ladies there. There was one left, but I fixed that.
>>76316788
>this year or next
>or next year
>or next year
>or next year
>surely the next year
>or next year
>or next year
>or next year
>ok this year for sure
>or next year
>or next year
>or next year
>>76356649
She was 'murrican.
>>76316788
>The last time the Arctic was clear of ice
>somehow it's humans fault
i will, in my lifetime, begin a war against warmists, and they will ALL be exterminated.
>>76316862
nope, they've said that it will happen. now it is
>>76316788
So they believe this has happened before, but it's totally our fault this time around.
>>76316788
>'My prediction'
t. Environmentalist Paid Shill
>>76342006
So you're admitting your argument is based on correlation not empirical causation? Yeah, lets shut down the entire economy by getting rid of fossil fuels based on a hunch.
