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Friday, June 4, 2016
Liturgical Year C, Cycle II
Readings for Mass
First Reading: Ezekiel 34:11-16
Responsorial Psalm: Psalms 23:1-3, 3-4, 5, 6
Second Reading: Romans 5:5-11
Gospel: Luke 15:3-7
Today's Rosary: The Sorrowful Mysteries
Good Scenes to watch
>Jesus Anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-uB0vaoQo
>Jesus of Nazareth Sermon on the Mount:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCbJ4vnMNg
>Jesus chases Jews out of the Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtBs6j7QgU
>Jesus gives sight to the Blind....and takes sight from those who can see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY7vamVg99E
>Roman Centurion has more faith than anyone in Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLSBjYDPko
>Ben Hur scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlf7OiiTJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt2UUthWg0
First for Orthodox
who /rosaryonceadayeveryday/? I find it added structure to my life and keeps my eyes on the goal.
what does "Christianity is not a religion" mean?
i have been seeing it alot recently
>>76134508
>Jesus Anime
Check this out anons
https://youtu.be/XfMStUdokKY
>>76134508
Fuck off, this is a muslim board
>>76134808
new age nonsense that everything is a personal relationship with god and we dont need organized religion.
>>76134808
It's just liberal feel-goodism. I doubt the people saying this stuff really know what it means.
>>76134808
"Nowhere in the New Testament, in fact, is Christianity presented as a cult or as a religion.
Religion is needed where there is a wall of separation between God and man. But Christ who is both God and man has broken down the wall between man and God. He has inaugurated a new life, not a new religion." Alexander Schemann
>>76134759
Here. I find myself doing it in the shower at the end of the day a lot.
>>76134808
It's for people who are scared of liturgy and mysticism.
>>76135030
m8 the people who say this aren't meaning it like that.
>>76134808
They don't want to be compared to or associated with other religions.
They want to feel special.
>>76134508
True Christianity. Have a good rest of the evening/morning, brothers.
http://israelite-identity-archive.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-marks-of-israel-by-jack-mohr.html
http://www.christianidentityministries.com/home.html
http://israelitewatchmen.com/archive/reference/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXlqFPHAaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgCKXJPwSts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL6IU1cu17c
Can we all post some good /christian/ tunes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAAKG57ouyM
>>76135332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sd0uhxSQcc
>>76135247
Israel being whites is not a theological precept, just an archeological/historical curiosity.
altrough, a gleeful one for white people. but naught more than that
>>76135030
>>76134808
"And in Him was the end of “religion,” because He himself was the Answer to all religion, to all human hunger for God, because in Him the life that was lost by man — and which could only be symbolized, signified, asked for in religion — was restored to man."
>>76135332
https://youtu.be/-NUlVoZgDDg?t=29m30s
>>76135332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tV679wXIU
>>76135332
Loving that album
"I get my word from the sermon
I do not talk to the serpent
That's the holistic discernment"
>>76135332
There's always this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y
From about 10:45 to 15:30 is my favorite part on this album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSr_-svAGPY
>>76135508
True. It isn't a denomination by itself. But, if it's true, it can give a lot more meaning to the old testament rather than interpreting it as a book about a bunch of dirty kikes.
>>76135546
I'm actually reminded of this quote
"...It is the God of the Hebrews (who in the Jewish interpretation comes to be seen as creator) who is hailed in the decalogue as liberator, it is the gods (parts of history) and the whole religion of the gods that is seen to stand for alienation and dependency. 'I am Yahweh your God who brought you out of slavery, you shall have no gods.'"
>>76135846
>http://www.cimmay.com/pdf/carroll.pdf
it seems aryan nations took up a doctrine ,part of it,from this lolworthy book
it says black people are soul-less pre-adamites
C.I. is racist British Israelism
>>76134508
Buddhist here. I'm very fond of Matthew 5:38-48 but quite frequently see Christians - including ones on this board - claiming that it's not meant to be taken literally. I understand that it's a very difficult ideal to live up to but it seems pretty straightforward to me. Is there actually any reason to take it non-literally?
>>76134808
the fruits of protestantism ladies and gentlemen
>>76135846
The Orthodox Church is the new Israel
http://www.antiochian.org/Orthodox_Church_Who_What_Where_Why/Who_Is_The_New_Israel.htm
>>76136126
Of course it's literal. It's just that "turn the other cheek" means "be passive-aggressive and let them shame themselves", not "be a cuck."
Also
>Buddhist
>implying Pure Land practice isn't a ripoff of Christianity
>76135965
I did. On the March 26 of this year of the Easter Vigil. Not only baptized but also confirmed and received my first communion. It was an extremely powerful experience. I was literally shaking as I carried my pitcher of holy water around the church during the litany of the saints.
Very cool. I'm actually a little jealous of those who are baptized as adults. Revert here who was baptized as a baby but never confirmed. So I guess I got that to look forward to.
>>76136012
Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's like how skinheads make all of national socialism look bad. While I happen to believe that NW European stock, and possibly some Eastern European, are the Israel of the bible, it is not a free pass to salvation. If anything, we will be held to an even higher standard.
>>76136252
>be passive aggressive
You're not supposed to hold any kind of malice toward people at all. That's easier said than done, but it doesn't change that such is your obligation to strive for.
>>76136126
There are many saints who were soldiers
>>76134508
Serious question (and I mean no disrespect):
Why are you Christians? What is it about this faith that works for you?
Did you use to be atheist perhaps? If so, what made you switch back?
>>76136365
congrats, anon. I took first communion last year. Same thing here, baptized Catholic as a baby but never confirmed.
Glad you had such a powerful experience, that sounds amazing.
>>76136857
When I learned about Jesus saying that jews are of their father the devil, and I learned about their religion and how evil they are, and the prophecies being fulfilled, I was convinced that the Bible is real and accurate. Before that I was "spiritual not religious" which I now realize is just the new age one world religion.
It took me 100s of hours of research to come to this conclusion, fwiw.
>>76136647
I guess I phrased it badly.
>>76137090
>Before that I was "spiritual not religious" which I now realize is just the new age one world religion.
More on this please, quite curious.
>>76136252
Pure Land is silly fanfiction nonsense. But I only mentioned my religion because I thought my status as a non-Christian was relevant to the tone of my question.
>>76136719
Which is why I find it strange that such a well known and unambiguous passage is seemingly ignored by so many otherwise devout people. According to my understanding of this and other scripture, the ideal Christian is, as /pol/ would put it, a complete cuck, because this world is unimportant. If you live a holy life, you will spend the rest of eternity in Heaven so aren't people missing the bigger picture when they read Jesus' words in a way that makes it seem ok to go forth and kill other people?
>>76134508
>More Chesterton Pearls
Chesterton spoke out eloquently against birth control, first of all attacking the dishonesty of the very term itself. It is called birth control, when in fact it isn’t birth and it isn’t control. In one of his many prophetic utterances Chesterton says, "I might inform those humanitarians who have a nightmare of new and needless babies (for some humanitarians have that sort of horror of humanity) that if the recent decline in the birth-rate were continued for a certain time, it might end in there being no babies at all; which would console them very much."
He warned that the birth control would lead to abortion and it would be considered a sign of "progress." Progress is a meaningless term that is praised by a secular society. You cannot have actual progress until you define your goal or your ideal; then you can determine whether or not you are moving closer to achieving it. But the world considers a thing "progressive" not by what it is moving towards but by what it is moving away from. If a tradition is destroyed, it is called "progress." Progress is a slippery word that keeps changing its shape. In his prophetic book Eugenics and Other Evils, Chesterton says that evil always takes advantage of ambiguity. "Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes…and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin."
>>76137100
I think a better way to put it is that you can hold sin to be sin while not sinning yourself when evil is brought against you. There's nothing cowardly about not retaliating against people who sin against you. It takes a whole lot more for most people to take shit - whether verbal or physical - without responding in a sinful manner than it does to lash out.
>>76137386
Feminism is certainly an example of the disastrous alliance between innocence and evil. Feminists complain of real wrongs against women, but then make an alliance with an evil that is much worse. They glorify something called "choice" (another ambiguous word) and convince themselves that killing babies has something to do with dignity. The feminists are "splendid dupes," who have given up the freedom and power they had in the home to become wage slaves in the workplace, and who have given up God’s most sacred gifts of birth and motherhood while claiming they are exercising "reproductive freedom."
>>76137358
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
>>76137493
>More Based Chesterton
The basic problem of feminism is the misconception that men and women are equal. It may come as a shock to some people, but there is in fact a difference between men and women. Chesterton says, "The difference between man and woman accounts for almost everything important that has happened. We must realize that when we try to make man and woman alike."
He says that of the two sexes, the woman is in the more powerful position. The woman controls the home, that fundamental unit of society. If you control the home, you control society. Chesterton says, "When I think of the power of woman, my knees knock under me." Ironically, the feminists, by giving up their power in the home, gave up all their power. When they moved into the workplace, most women certainly became like most men in that they became wage slaves, but they did not gain anything, and they certainly did not gain power. It was a distinct step downward. "What is called the economic independence of women is the same as what is called the economic wage-slavery of men."
Feminists lost the privilege of raising their children to a day-care industry or a public school. Or they did something even worse: they killed their children.
>>76137090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaKOvHEb6Uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXSsp2vvHjE
The Scofield Reference Bible cucked Christianity. There was no love affair with Jews before this.
>>76137358
>Pure Land is silly fanfiction nonsense.
Some Buddhist you are.
But I guess it was a good question.
>>76137348
If you really want to know....the "new age" is the end of Christianity and the rise of Lucifer worship. It's the Age of Aquarius.
The new age religion, the non-specific worship of an unknowable higher power, is lucifer worship. http://rense.com/general85/lucifer.htm
I just googled that but also the founder of new age is Blavatsky a kike....it's a deep rabbit hole and the foundation of truly being red-pilled.
That said, it's way too much for most people to take in without prior research.
>>76137358
>go forth and kill other people
Whoa buddy, this isn't Islam.
Times when God gives authority to kill are in defense of self and country, not innocents.
Only the most unsharpened Christians think the world is worthless and needs to end now.
>>76137610
I'm Catholic, anon. We know the Jew killed Christ and my Bible isn't a cucked Protestant version. I read somewhere Scofield was reached by Big Jew. I don't even need to research to know that's true.
>>76137849
>catholic
>having the bible
why are you not burning on the stake?
>>76137943
>le catholics aren't allowed to read the bible maymay
>>76137849
Yeah. Apparently, he was a drunk and couldn't get published until he made a deal with the Jews.
>>76134808
protestants
>>76137943
>>>catholic
>>having the bible
>why are you not burning on the stake?
kek
there's truth to that still. You don't see bibles in the pews at a Catholic church, and the bible studies are small compared to Protestant ones. I still go to a Protestant one sometimes, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.
>>76138064
I got a bible when I took first communion.
>>76138119
>>Yeah. Apparently, he was a drunk and couldn't get published until he made a deal with the Jews.
sounds like the perfect guy for the jew to use. Since they control publishing, I already know if something is promoted by them, that it's good for the jews and bad for us, which pretty much goes for anything in popular culture.
>>76134808
It's the correct way to have a relationship with god
Keep falling for the church jew though goyims
>>76138330
>I got a bible when I took first communion.
pretty much. I think that is standard practice
>>76138064
>>76137943
The party line I've heard is that nobody said don't read the bible. But you weren't encouraged to start thinking you were St Thomas Aquinas and going to start interpreting it yourself rather than following 2,000 years of Church teaching.
Making stuff up as you go along is for Protestants.
>>76138405
I wonder who could be behind this post...
>>76138330
>You don't see bibles in the pews at a Catholic church
We don't have them in Orthodox parishes. A lot of them don't even have pews. We come to worship not for bible study.
>>76138330
It was never forbidden but ever since mass literacy became a thing in the 19th century the Pope has especially encouraged popular reading of the Bible and attached an indulgence to it.
>Protestants will read this and get triggered sideways
Have you ever regained your faith after losing it before?
>>76137943
You wot m8?
>>76138627
Yep. Good ol' Brothers K helped with that.
>>76138627
we've all been there, anon
>>76138493
Don't you have some statues of mary to pray to or some shit Luigi?
>>76138958
does our Blessed Lady trigger you, satan?
>>76138763
Crime and Punishment is good too. Raskolnikov was basically a NEET /pol/ack.
>>76138507
>We come to worship not for bible study.
That's an important distinction that I never understood when I was a Protestant as a kid. Now that I'm Catholic, thank God, I get it.
How long is an Orthodox service? I've been to the churches, but never to mass. If I move to E. Europe I'll convert. Fuck Vatican 2 and this jew pope.
>>76138539
>Protestants will read this and get triggered sideways
kek an indulgence?!? I never knew that. Yeah, they'll hit the rooof over that. I tried going to Protestant churches before I became Catholic. I was sickened by the weekly Israel worship.
I still listen to Protestant sermons sometimes, and it's amazing how much time they devote to saying Catholics are bad, while Catholics don't realy even talk about them.
I don't see how fairy tales are /pol/ related.
>>76139077
I don't see how redditors are /pol/ related but here you are.
>>76139077
I don't see how making claims you can't instantiate as being true is /pol/ related.
>>76139060
Like an hour and a half and then most people stay for coffee hour. Liturgy is at 10 and I'm usually home by 1.
>>76139161
>claims you can't instantiate as being true
That's the very essence of /pol/
>>76139343
How do Orthodox view Catholics in general? Locally, they can take communion at RC parishes, and 2 of the guys that taught my RCIA class were Orthodox.
In E. Europe though, I'm sure it's probably a thing.
>>76139421
Maybe if you're from reddit.
Before JudeoChristian dogma took hold in the Eastern Med, Archimedes was able to create the first ever computer (AntiKythera Mechanism) with advanced technology like differential cogs, a technology that was not re-invented until the 16th century.
It is only since the renaissance that humans have been able to produce technological marvels like the Large Hadron Collider or putting a man on the moon. We grew tired of 1500 years of superstition and our ancestors freed themselves (and saved us) from the shackles of mediocrity, superstition and sheep mentality, where natural intelligence and curiosity was being sacrificed to spare the feelings of those with weak minds.
According to Catholics, are all non Catholics destined to go to hell?
>>76139613
>this is what redditors actually believe
You forgot your fake-ass LE HOLE LEFT BY LE CHRISTIAN DARK AGES XDD chart.
>>76139700
No. It's certainly possible in theory but there's really no good reason to think so.
>>76138763
>>76138956
I ask that question because I have felt like I've regained my faith in god lately and feel closer to him, I can't explain why. An epiphany I guess. For a while I felt like it was all bull, the last 4-5 years have been miserable, in 2010 I lost a close family member dropped out of college and suffered from depression I had no friends either since they were all in college/uni, I wasn't particular religious either.
A couple years ago I reconnected with an old friend and he offered me an opportunity that I couldn't pass up, I didn't want to be miserable and shitty everyday. Now it's currently leading me onto a career path, through that I met a whole bunch of new wonderful people. Personally I like to believe things happen for a reason and feel like it was some kind of divine intervention, I know it sounds cheesy but I really do believe it.
Anyways I just wanted to tell my story and wondered if others could relate.
>>76138627
I never lost it completely, but it did get pretty weak. /pol/ made me become more religious again.
How is this acceptable and kek threads are not?
>>76139502
Depends on who you ask and where you ask. Theologically speaking we view the Roman-Catholics as heretics although getting into polemics and judging others is not something we are encouraged to do. But I will say St. Mark of Ephesus is a popular saint because of his defense of Orthodoxy over the desire to reunite.
>>76137090
he was referring only to the pharisees and others like them. these people killed God even in the sight of His many miracles. how could they have done this unless they were in fundamental way evil? but even so some of the pharisees did come to believe, like nicodemus.
>>76139766
If you can have faith that your god exists (and then have to invent endless "reasons" why he prefers to remain hidden, secrete dinosaur fossils into rocks etc. etc.) You could even have faith that he'll levitate you if you step out of a 10th-storey window, but oddly enough religious folks never put that one to the test—perhaps because their faith in their god is ultimately a flimsy enough vessel
>>76139613
>muh science
and yet you are miserable inside and have no idea who you are, or what your purpose in life is
>>76138958
Pray and ask for her intercession? Of course!
>>76139928
>he was referring only to the pharisees and others like them
yes, pharisees are the jews
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/sadducees_pharisees_essenes.html
>>76139876
thanks, anon. That's kinda what I figured.
>>76139766
your story is similar to that of all those who find their way to God. We realise that God does for us only after it happened, and only if we obtain a certain sensibility. Most people realise how God has been carrying them on His shoulders when they lose all the vanities that the world presents to them and that cloud their eyes.
God bless you, anon
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>76139060
>Fuck Vatican 2
You can attend a Latin parish.
> this jew pope
Bergoglio is nearly 80 years old and only has one lung. He has already said he would step down similarly to Benedict. We will get the pope we deserve soon (a strong Christian leader).
Good things come to those who wait.
>>76134508
How can I convert to Christianity, /csg/?
>>76139700
No. Everyone has a chance at salvation.
>>76140235
Go to Mass
>>76139952
>>muh science
>and yet you are miserable inside and have no idea who you are, or what your purpose in life is
kek
Ever meet a happy atheist? I haven't
>>76140159
I attend a sedevacantist parish.
>>76140159
>the pope we deserve soon
I'm afraid we will, and he'll be even more jewed than this one. The church has been completely subverted, which is why we got V2 and the never ending revolution in the mother Church.
>>76140235
Talk to your priest about RCIA
>>76140294
>I attend a sedevacantist parish.
m8 he's just the Pope, there's no protection against him saying stupid shit, no need to go full meme here.
>>76140235
Go to Mass, ask a priest for guidance (he will direct you to RCIA), read the Bible, get baptised.
>>76139766
God bless and good luck with everything, anon.
I'm glad you found your way back. You're not the only one, I know a religious sister that used to be a militant atheist ~3 years ago.
God works in fascinating ways. :)
>>76140235
Go to Divine Liturgy and tell the priest you want to be a catechumen.
>>76140467
>venerating a saint that didn't even exist
>>76139742
>>76140270
What about all those statements made by popes that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church?
>>76139952
Religion is pure transmitted culture unconnected to any empirical reference (give or take the odd thunderbolt)
God is dead because the idea of a transcendent world where God hangs out is just a delusion.
we are on our own and have to produce our own values and live our lives from within our own existence and experience without external guidance - hence existentialism.
>>76140446
>>76140404
>>76140286
>>76140467
Can I just walk into any church? Do I have to let people know in advance?
>>76139935
but God isn't hidden. everything, literally everything, bespeaks His glory.
also dinos are cool but only a very small group of people believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
>>76140294
Not even Fr.Hesse supported sedevacantism. Benedict XVI has even allowed Pope Pious V latin mass.
Just saying that I hope you'll come back to the flock.
This miracle happened in a novus ordo mass, so the presence is still there:
http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/eucharistic-miracle-confirmed-in-poland
Christian thread huh? You guys act like anyone else here, christian my ass.
>>76140501
>martyrs aren't saints
Sure thing anon. Also who are you to judge?
>>76140706
what is troubling you, dear anon bro?
>>76140555
>Can I just walk into any church?
yeah
>>76140294
>I attend a sedevacantist parish.
Like I said anon, you could try a FSSP parish. They use the 1962 Roman Missal (pre-Vatican II). :)
>I'm afraid we will, and he'll be even more jewed than this one.
I wouldn't worry about it. The entire church is starting to shift to the right, we're becoming really conservative. It's similar to a ripple of a wave, though. It will take a while before this new fervor reaches the higher ups (cardinals and bishops), but it will happen soon.
>>76140588
>Not even Fr.Hesse supported sedevacantism. Benedict XVI has even allowed Pope Pious V latin mass.
Anon, there's a lot of ugly stuff about SSPX leadership. It's frightening.
I like FSSP mass, but the hippy feel-good novus ordo mass makes my skin crawl, along with the immodestly dressed females and men wearing cargo shorts and sandals.
That said, thanks, I know you wish me well.
>>76140723
m8 it's controversial about whether or not Peter the Aleut existed. It's got nothing to do with his sanctity.
Not that I should judge since I'm a fan of St. Filumena myself
>>76140555
You can just don't take communion.
>>76140109
The Jews are Edomites, Babylonians, and later Kazars. After the Babylonian captivity, the priesthood was infiltrated with outsiders and eventually the Hebrew religion, which Jesus preached and lived by, was corrupted and turned into the religion of the Babylonian Talmud, which is the Judaism we know today.
>>76140706
It's not a sin to call you a faggot, cocksucker.
>>76140555
>Can I just walk into any church?
Of course. :)
>Do I have to let people know in advance?
Nope. If you go to a Catholic church, the secretary should be able to sort you out by signing you up for RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) which is a series of classes that teach you about the church before you're baptized/confirmed.
God bless and good luck, anon.
>>76140706
it's just bantz and tough love my friend
>>76134508
>Atheists also welcome, but try to be constructive.
Technically, we can only be deconstructive.
>>76134508
BY GRACE ALONE
>>76140898
> the hippy feel-good novus ordo mass makes my skin crawl
The way I see it, the problem of Novus Ordo is that it allowed modernists enough space to act like modernists, but it isn't the Novus Ordo itself to be the problem.
What I don't like about traditionalists is that they think the mass is the root of all problems. In my opinion that is wishful thinking. The problems of the Church are bigger and deeper. I dislike the ecumenism and the lax reaction to secularism and other religions that the Council fostered too though. I think that is a much bigger problem than the liturgy.
Hopefully the next Pope fixes it. I will never leave the Church though, Jesus won't let us drown and I trust Him with all my heart.
>>76141099
I didn't even do anything.
>>76141126
My ass, some people genuinely wish ill will on people, just like you people. How is that the christian way?
>>76141325
BY FAITH ALONE
>>76140887
>The entire church is starting to shift to the right
You think? It seems to me that the V2 revolution is rolling right along, with that latest synod on the family.
>>76141088
I just sent you a jewish source and it's not good enough for you. You gave me no sources at all.
>>76140555
Attend RCIA. It's non-commital for the first few months and it'll get you into the church community. Plus we got to sit at the front of the church together, so I got to know my fellow catechumens.
It's a little weird at first, but you'll catch on in no time. Just do what everybody else does and you;ll be fine.
>>76141134
I think you can be very constructive actually.
>>76134508
>>76141557
'Sup, atheobro?
>>76141464
>It seems to me that the V2 revolution is rolling right along, with that latest synod on the family.
we still have Pope Francis, don't we? Besides, he couldn't do all he wanted in the synod because of the conservative cardinals.
The Church as a whole has been shifting to the right for some time now:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/01/young-fogeys/302863/
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/1030/0/-conformist-younger-clergy-wary-of-francis-dublin-archbishop
>>76141406
Are you offended?
>>76139835
The mods are weird as fuck, they let niggerdicks fly everywhere but then ban you if you talk about something random.
lol XD :P like you guys actualle believe in G_d on the Internet XD lol thanks 4 the laughs guise KEK :^)
>>76141843
pretty much. I tried making a /nofap/ thread once and I was immediately banned
>>76141391
>The problems of the Church are bigger and deeper.
This.
The Plot Against The Church details how the jews and freemasons infiltrated and subverted the church, leading to the V2 revolution. I agree fully about the ecumenism and lax reaction to secularism.
>>76141678
thanks, anon, I'll check it out, but I'm skeptical. Much like SSPX and FSSP, I think they're giving the rabbits a place to run and false hope that the system still works. I hope I'm wrong.
>>76141839
You are gay, i want you to kill yourself in the most painful way possible, you are illiterate trash and no one would miss you if you died, so go ahead and rope yourself, i mean it.
So when one of you guys says something like this and means it, wouldn't that be a violation of your faith? And no, no one's told me this.
The fedora's will have a field day if they smell hypocrisy, just saying.
>>76140962
I took communion by accident before I became Catholic. I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to do it, I just did it because everyone else was doing it and I figured that was the procedure.
I know I wasn't supposed to now. But I can't help but think maybe God wanted me to do it.
When I walked up to that Priest and he said "Behold, the Blood of Jesus" I couldn't help but feel the power of the Holy Spirit and how incredible it was.
It led me to becoming Catholic imo. Because later I realized I wanted to be able to do that during every mass.
Do you think you've been "saved" anon? If so, what was the experience like?
It was pretty intense for me. I cried out for Jesus to help me (just in general, my life was really fucked up at this point) and I felt this warm energy or something go through me and I felt completely at peace and extremely happy, like something I hadn't ever felt before, and I just knew that he was real. I don't know if that's the exact moment when I was saved, but since then I've confessed with my tongue that Jesus is Lord many times
Obviously everybody's experience is different and I want to hear your story. When did you come to believe in Jesus Christ?
Can someone tl;dr me on how to fast properly?
>>76142329
If they meant it sure. That indeed would be a violation.
>>76141464
>You think?
I'm positive. Novus Ordo parishes (V2) are dying and the average age at mass is 60+. Meanwhile, FSSP parishes are filled with young families. Last time I attended a Latin parish in Washington DC as I passed through, the average age at that mass must have been 25.
Besides that, I don't know a single young priest that's a leftist. This new generation of priests and seminarians is completely different than their predecessors of the past 100+ years. Our generation is going to experience something great, tbqh.
>>76142329
Why are you so angry, friend?
Don't let the other anons get to you. They're just having some fun online. What don't you like on here?
>>76142329
you might be possessed by a demon
I'm agnostic and latelly becoming atheist.
how do you call someone who is atheist but still values the value of spirituality and having a conection with God, even if he doesn't exist.
how do you call someone who don't think God exist but think Jesus was a really smart person who became a really spiritual person, superior to average people.
how do you call someone who don't call himself a christian but he admires jesus as a person.
can I go to heaven even if I don't believe it exists and commit sins but want to believe in God but he knows there's no scientifical evidence about it.
I would still fight for the church (my family is catholic) if there was a holy war againts muslims.
>>76142531
Don't eat meat on:
>Ash Wednesday
>Good Friday
>Fridays during Lent
It used to be more hardcore back in the day where you would fast without meat all Lent, but you can do this if it suits you better. :)
>>76142858
>having a conection with God, even if he doesn't exist
You believe it's possible to have a connection with a non-thing?
>>76142858
Someone who needs a lesson in humility.
>>76142606
Hmmmm. The FSSP parish I've attended was pretty young too. They're a thimblefull of people compared to the entire laity, of course.
I don't know any young priests , so I'll take your word for it. That said, the people in control of the levers of power in the church are not on our side, IMO. I don't think that will change outside of a new inquisition to root out the cancer in the church.
That said, hey, I hope I'm wrong.
>I use a 1945 missal, for the record
Who /southernbaptist/ here?
>>76142850
>>you might be possessed by a demon
yeah, my thoughts exactly.
>I have that small brown scapular myself. I should wear it more often.
>>76143019
The bible is nothing more than a collection of delusions written/dictated by the mentally ill for the purpose of terrorism
>>76143350
even if you repeat it a million times, that won't make it true, dear anon
>>76142805
I have legitimately not cared for years, but now it somehow annoys me.
>>76142850
I would know, as i've seen that kind of activity before. It isn't that.
>>76143350
>>76143350
Your sensory experience is nothing more than a collection of projected illusions constructed/controlled by a mentally ill sociopath for the purpose of self-gratification.
Oh look, anyone can do it.
>>76143019
I still hold a glimer of hope God is real, but like I said, there's no scientific evidence and I'm a sketptical person.
I still view spirituality as something real, even if from what I know is a belief, like when you used to believe in santa claus.
Santa claus is real, even if he's an imaginary character.
He still exists, even if he's a human concept.
>>76143081
I want to be humble, but I like to learn about everything, so I read a lot of things, about science.
I had read some shit that you guys would consider heretical.
I had read some shit from new age and those annunaki reptilian shit.
I just wonder why God (if he exists) he gave me such desire for knowledge.
I dunno why, but I can put my mind in some kind of reality where some concepts are real and the next moment put myself in the oposite reality.
I can simply put myself into a position where I'm a devout christian and understand how you feel and the next be a heretical, understanding how Yavhe is some advanced ayy lmao king.
>>76134508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOzCMy9e5E&list=PL1D58C69D194384D2
can anyone explain the parallels between the odyssey and the gospels?
>>76142858
>how do you call someone who don't think God exist but think Jesus was a really smart person who became a really spiritual person, superior to average people.
You're a heretic that's saying Jesus was some kind of delusional schizo that thought he was God and heard voices in his head.
That's fucking horrible and I'd never be friends with you.
>>76134508
>Atheists
>Constructive
Top kek.
>>76143624
There's no scientific evidence your sensory experience corresponds to real objects, but you seem to have few scruples operating as if they did regardless. You put faith in a whole slew of unverifiable assumptions every moment of your life - extending that to God isn't any more far fetched than what you already do.
>>76143786
>heretic
yeah, I guess I am.
after some of the shit I've seen and read I'm sure you don't want me near.
I still consider jesus was a wonderful person and I think he loves you all.
>schizo
funny thing, I am schizo.
>>76143936
Acording to philosophy we can't be sure of nothing much, like you said, our senses are not trusthworthy, but we can be sure that by doubting everything, at least I'm sure I exist.
why do catholics tend to vote more left compared to protestants? (atleast in the usa, idk about europe)
>>76143114
>I don't know any young priests , so I'll take your word for it
I'm applying for the seminary right now, so I've been around them a lot. :P Have you noticed the trend that it's usually older priests acting borderline protestant? It's usually older priests that cause scandals within the church? Their time is almost over.
>I don't think that will change outside of a new inquisition to root out the cancer in the church.
Nah it will change, but we must give it time. The old bishops/cardinals will start dying and they will be replaced by our generation, conservative Catholics.
>>76144243
You don't have to doubt everything to be sure "you" exist. "There are thoughts" is a necessary a priori truth - it's unavoidable to have that understanding. It's self-affirming.
I'm only really saying there's nothing in the way of believing whatever you like, except perhaps in the cases of logically contradictory states of affairs, since you can't even conceive them.
>>76144256
because there are a lot of lukewarm """""catholics"""""""" who call themselves that just because they were raised in a catholic family but don't practice the religion.
Actual Catholic countries are quite conservative
>>76144488
I dunno, it's just that you start to know things that give a new understanding of the bible, many of such things comes from heretical writings, atheism, esoteric stuff, ufo stuff and history.
It's simply that in the end I have a bigger picture of what's really happening I believe.
I have a belief system, but it's more complex than simply following the bible.
>>76142858
>>76143624
I think you might be more leaning towards agnosticism rather than atheism, friend.
I hope everything works out for you. God bless.
>>76144259
>Have you noticed the trend that it's usually older priests acting borderline protestant?
I think you're being very generous in saying they're just "borderline" Protestant, and yes, I've noticed exactly that and I think it's horrible. The priest at my FSSP is pretty young, probably mid 30s or 40 at the most. The sedevacantist parist I go to the priests are old as fugg.
Congrats on applying to seminary! I'm jelly, bro. Keep us posted on how it is! That's a huge commitment. If I don't marry this woman I'm seeing I'm going to investigate going myself.
I think it's messed up that Protestants can be married and convert and become a married priest.
>>76144712
You can understand the Bible in a literal infinite number of ways. All but one of those ways is wrong in some account or another, but such is the case.
The question I'd raise is why give credence to some other ways of understanding as more valid or enticing than another? And I'll tell you what I've found is that ultimately our reasons for doing so reduce to nothing more substantial than personal preference. Which is frustrating and not the conclusion I'd like to have - since it makes ministering to other people supremely difficult - but it's the conclusion I've found is unavoidable.
>>76144564
well Catholicism is very similar to communism. thats why i think catholics lean towards the left.
>>76144791
yeah, I consider myself an agnostic.
I do believe there is truth in the bible, but as the ufo guys put it this way, imagine ancient tribal indigenous people who write about modern technology.
Many of the bible miracles are just modern technology we can see now.
What if jews were visited by ayy lmaos that are more advanced than us now?
>>76144962
so you were just baiting.
catholicism and communism have literally nothing in common
>>76144243
>>funny thing, I am schizo.
Sorry to hear that, anon. How's the treatment in Columbia? I know it's difficult in the US getting the meds sorted out.
>>76144256
cultural Catholics. If you practice you shouldn't vote for people that support abortion, so that eliminates one party altogether, for the most part.
>>76144256
I think that we have to be more specific here. From my experiences, they are typically 'economically left', yet they are also 'socially right'. Those who are devout and practicing, at least.
>>76145032
then why are so many catholic countries socialist?
Shouldn't we do something about the whole thing?
https://faithsimple.wordpress.com/
>>76144944
I do feel many people want to feel secure, so they seek refuge in God.
that's fine and for most people it's something important in their lives, to have a meaning that God provides.
That's why I feel anger about militant atheism, they're blinded by ideology they don't see the moral degradation has brought to europe and america to forget God, morality and spirituality.
But for me it's not enough, I simply desire knowledge.
I've found many times the bible feels as some God's propaganda, and propaganda is no good.
>>76145182
>socialist
I don't think you know what that word means
>>76145126
This.
Although really, "left" and "right" don't apply to the Church. The Church formed its moral positions 1500 years before those words meant anything. That's why actual Catholic political thought looks like a squiggly line that swirls all over the spectrum.
>>76145063
It's hard if you live in the rural area, as our rural area is really poor if you see those donkey memes.
but I live near the third biggest city, so I'm able to get my medication.
I have more than one decade taking my medication so pretty much all symtons have dissapeared.
most people can't guess I'm schizo the first time they meet me, lol.
I guess I'm lucky.
>>76145212
I'm afraid to say knowledge may be out of your grasp in this world then, since "there are thoughts" seems to be the only thing we're capable of knowing.
I put my faith in Christ because I want to - nothing more complicated than that at base. Same for anyone's belief in anything.
>>76145207
about what?
>>76145126
catholics in the usa are more in favor of gay marriage and other stuff like that. the supreme court (majority catholic) passed gay marriage.
>>76145354
>>
>I have more than one decade taking my medication so pretty much all symtons have dissapeared.
Glad to hear that, anon! That's difficult to do under the best of circumstances. I think you're really fortunate and worked hard to get where you are.
>>76145441
>implying it wasn't the Catholic Scola who kept gay marriage at bay until they killed him
>>76145441
I'd question how devout they are: the Catechism and the Church are pretty clear about marriage being between a man and a woman. But then again, maybe the Supreme Court chose not to let their religion and personal views influence their ruling. I dunno.
>>76145420
As this also says https://faithsimple.wordpress.com/
Look at the status of the church. And very central for other issues: the thing about sex. All are free. As much as fapping would be '''a sin''' as it is known now. (the great commandment)
God is really the sky daddy. Even though this sounds a little unserious.
>>76145406
there's a cliche way to put it:
The more I know, the more I discover the less I'm aware of.
like I said, for most people they need to feel secure on what Plato called shadows.
but I don't feel secure with knowing only the shadow, I seek to understand.
I'm waiting to get an ebook reader so I can pirate collections of books to read.
>>76145547
thanks.
It's funny but I think I have a mission, since I was a child I loved to learn, I was your typical nerd, but even nerds tend to focus on one thing, I just can't do it.
>>76145631
elaborate your thoughts, I am not going to watch three videos. You are saying we are in the end times? Is that the message?
Yes I know masturbation is a sin, that is why I don't do it anymore
>>76145584
*scalia
>>76145669
I don't think there's a way to possibly discover more of what I'm unaware of, given I have knowledge of nothing except one thing which I can't *NOT* have knowledge of.
My faith isn't about security. I wouldn't mind any state of affairs.
You can read what you like, but unless there's been some revolutionary discovery that has extended the limits of human reasoning to encompass that which it seemed quite definitively incapable of before, you'll mostly just be engaging in pleasure reading.
>>76144854
Thanks, man. You should definitely discern it, the Church needs a lot of good priests in these times.
Eh, I used to be pretty salty on the whole celibacy thing, but now I kind of appreciate it. It allows you to completely focus on your ministry/parish. I'd get married in a second if they allowed it, though.
>>76145746
>masturbation is a sin
I am saying the exact opposite>>76145631
The whole thing about the church and faith is a big mess.
>>76145954
yeah, but I'm glad I can simply google anything and discover a lot of information in a few seconds.
Most people tend to use internet to gossip and waste their times.
Sure, physical pleasures are nice, sure sex is nice, but in the end is just dumbed down shit for me.
In the end it comes down to having deeper understandings, that's the central idea.
I rather have a vague understanding of the real situation than simply eating and believing propaganda, even if it comes from the bible.
Like I said, it's important for me to gain deeper understandings of things, that's the only thing I can do.
It seems a life more worthy of living than what the vast majority of humans do wasting their precious time in stupid entertainment.
>>76146040
I'm a 27 year old virgin, and sure people make fun of me, but I don't give a fuck.
some people have bigger goals than getting our dicks wet.
>>76146326
What do you have a deeper understanding of, though?
>>76146166
so why is masturbation not a sin in your opinion?
>>76145441
The 4 judges who voted against gay marriage are actually practicing Catholics. Thomas (black one) used to be a seminarian.
>>76138956
Song for you
>>76138956
>>76138627
opinions on the christian organization known as the KKK?
>>76140235
Believe in Jesus Christ and start reading the 4 Gospels. I highly suggest watching some of the stuff in the pastebin to build your faith.
>>76146418
nothing, just a rambled mess.
the more I discover, the less I know.
but learning more gives me an intelectual pleasure not even masturbation can give me anything near to it.
>>76146040
>>Eh, I used to be pretty salty on the whole celibacy thing, but now I kind of appreciate it. It allows you to completely focus on your ministry/parish. I'd get married in a second if they allowed it, though.
This is nothing you haven't thought of already, of course, but just for the record:
You could go Orthodox of course, but I don't think that's going to get you where you want to go. Or be a deacon? You can also leave the priest hood if you feel like you're called to marriage. I know a guy who did that, and another guy who attended but didn't graduate seminary.
Celibacy is the Big One. There are priests I don't particularly like, but I still respect the hell out of them for their commitment.
That's exciting, anon. I can't wait to hear what sorts of things you learn.
>tell us the 3rd secret of Fatima plox
>>76146579
Being a racist isn't Christ like at all.
Ephesians 6:10-20
Finally, be strong in the Lord and his mighty power.
Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your
stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is
not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the authorities, against the powers of this
dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in
the heavenly realms. Therefore, put on the full armor
of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may
stand your ground, and after you have done everything,
to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth
buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of
righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with
the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In
addition to all this, take up the shield of faith,
with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows
of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the
sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And
pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of
prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and
always keep on praying for all the saints. Pray also
for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be
given me so that I will fearlessly make known the
mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in
chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I
should.
>>76146722
the KKK is not racist anymore
>>76146579
>opinions on the christian organization known as the KKK?
It was masonic and anti-Catholic. They burned Father Coughlins church to the ground. Bunch of useful idiots.
Why you trolling?
>>76146326
>I'm a 27 year old virgin, and sure people make fun of me, but I don't give a fuck.
That's good that you don't let them get to you. There's more to this life than hedonism, my brother. I'm 19 and a virgin as well, you're not alone.
>>76145441
Flip Catholic here. Gay marriage back home is far from reality. Only the LGBBQ are the only ones barking. Heck government officials are afraid of agreeing to it because of how powerful the influence of the Catholic Church is to everyone there.
>>76146536
I take this as an example of maybe some other things. Maybe a culture kind of thing of the church. I don't mean to blow it up.
- The great commandment
- a lot of other texts
- Life itself.
>>76146785
Coughlins was a false flagging communist jew
>>76137358
So from what I read Jesus was saying if a man strikes you with his right hand (as he would a child or something) do not retaliate in kind (eye for an eye as in the OT) but make him use his left hand to strike your other cheek. In Jesus time (as it is now to a certain extant) the left hand has negative conotations ie it was unclean. By making this man strike you with his left hand you put him in a morally compromising position without becoming violent yourself. You make this man think about his actions. If you respond with violence this slapping man does not learn anything.
Sorry for typos I don't want to proofread but I hope that helps.
>>76146979
Thanks, feels good to see someone who doesn't value his life in terms of sexual partners.
I do believe if I were in medieval europe I would be in some monaister copying by hand books and reading those big libraries.
Oh well, chidhood fantasies.
>>76146579
>anti-Catholic
>literally stole the costumes of Spaniard Catholics
The KKK is a joke.
>I worship a Semitic deity, despite not being a Semite
>I worship three Semitic deities, but they are all the same one actually. I am not a polytheist
>I worship the pope
>I worship the "virgin" Mary
>I love God, but Allah is an asshole
>Deus vult, kill all Muslims, but the Jews that killed my prophet/god are cool
>I deserve to be treated like a sane person, and my opinions deserve to be respected
>>76147307
(You)
>>76147010
answer this question.
Why does a person masturbate?
>>76134508
Protestants are heretics. Responsible for the jewry and corruption of the USA by enabling them and being blindly pro Isreal. All are traitors who deserve to be charged with treason.
>>76147391
Not an argument.
>>76147307
what does this post even mean?
>>76147436
I wasn't making one.
>>76147010
It is a normal part of life that all have. It is causing enormous doubt and problems that an important organisation as our, the common spiritual house is blocking this in a number of ways.
>>76147307
by trying to trigger everyone, you end up not triggering anyone at all. How can you be this bad at baiting?
Newfag >>>/out/
>>76146979
I think this may be interesting to y'all anons in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJMy9dgiq78
It's about the comming debt jubilee.
Many people aren't aware of, but the elites follow religiously a plan to make the biblical end times true.
It's pretty obvious to all people who follow economy, the current system is at the brink of collapse, problem is, this collapse could mean the end of the economic system and change our lives for ever.
I dunno what will happen, but many of such things appear in the end times of the bible.
I could give you more shit to watch, that correlates with the biblical end times that can be researched in news media.
>>76147442
I am not an atheist.
>>76147545
>you pointed out how stupid we are
>you are trying to trigger us!
I'm going to orthodox liturgy for the first time tomorrow. What to expect?
>>76147392
It is a normal part of life that all have. It is causing enormous doubt and problems that an important organisation as our, the common spiritual house is blocking this in a number of ways.
>>76147616
Crazy people trying very desperately to fool themselves into believing things most of them know are bullshit but it feels good to circlejerk.
>>76146661
>You could go Orthodox
I've thought about it, but it would make me feel like I'm cheating the system. Anyways, the Orthodox bishops don't allow RC men to convert just to marry and become priests. They're onto our tricks. :P
Nah, I'll hopefully end up going through with it (God willing). I feel a tug to the priesthood that I've never felt for anything else.
>>76147678
>It is a normal part of life that all have
That does not answer the question. Why does a person masturbate? What is the purpose of masturbation?
I have an issue: I acknowledge that Christianity is the foundation of Western Civilization but I simply can't reject science and my personal outlook on life and believe that God exists. I really want to, but I just can't. I read the bible a lot, and I acknowledge there's much wisdom there and that it lays the framework for a harmonious society, but I can't believe that everything is the result of God because it just conflicts with how I logically register the world around me.
How do I believe, /csg/?
>>76147751
You'll feel the tug of little boy's penises like you've never felt anything else >:P
>>76147607
you didn't point how stupid they are. You only showed your ignorance, which is much different.
>>76147803
Hit yourself in the head with a hammer a couple times, and do a little heroin.
>>76147548
>"end" horror
If we make sure we have our sheeple on dry land there is no way anything is going to be terrible.
https://faithsimple.wordpress.com/
>>76147803
There is literally nothing in science that should make you doubt Christianity.
Reasonabe Faith by William Lane Craig is a good place to start.
>>76147901
>lol you're ignorant
>I won't and can't explain why, but you're just ignorant lol
>>76147798
abstinence have psicological effects.
masturbation serves as a relief mechanism.
I dunno why it's a sin, it's common among animals.
>>76147803
I recommend you to start learning more about what science is and read some books about how the church (catholic, not protestant) answer the atheism challenge.
>>76147570
okay
>>76147977
Yeah man if animals do it that means its ok. No need to try and behave with more dignity than an animal.
>>76147977
>abstinence have psicological effects.
the psychological effects are 90% negative though
>masturbation serves as a relief mechanism.
a relief from what?
>>76147969
>answering kindergarten-tier memes
lmao, nah, not going to waste my time
>>76147143
How's Catholicism doing in Latin America, anyways? I always admire you guys for your dedication to the faith. :)
Monks still lead relatively comfy lives even today, you could look into it in the future (if you ever change your mind), I know some orders such as the Carmelites are big in South America.
>>76148085
>>76148074
>lutheran woman
>Mary
you literally call her a sinner and a dead woman. I am triggered.
>>76148101
>I can't argue, so I won't even try
This is why so many shitskins fell for this Semitic meme.
>>76147940
I don't think the average human will be punished by God, the same way the average german nazzi foot soldier wasn't punished.
I think the ones that will be punished are the current elites who worship lucifer.
I think the average human is a good person in the end and unless he's a serial killer, most of the humans haven't done any mortal sin to be punished.
that's what I think.
>>76147751
>I've thought about it, but it would make me feel like I'm cheating the system. Anyways, the Orthodox bishops don't allow RC men to convert just to marry and become priests. They're onto our tricks. :P
Crap is that so?!? The girl I'm dating is E. European and it would be convenient to be an Orthodox priest *and* marry her.
But yeah I'm not surprised they're on to that. That sucks though.
Don't sweat it, anon. If you don't become a priest you'll still have the education that nobody can take away from you. It would surely be more useful than my waste-of-money college was.
>>76148226
k ahmed
>>76147798
Basically it is not needed to deepen the why behind this. It is a same kind of thing as eating. By just eating this porridge that has all nutritions one would survive. But no one would be as derailed to do that.
>>76147876
>le pedo priest maymay
>>76148204
>implying she was without sin
>implying she is not dead
Catholics are literally pagans.
>>76148288
>lol ur a sand nigger
At least you're consistent.
>>76148311
>>76148299
>Basically it is not needed to deepen the why behind this.
We don't need to deepen the way. We have already been revealed what we need to know about this life.
You are still not answering. Why does a person masturbate? What is the purpose of masturbation?
>>76148365
you make Jesus weep everytime you offend His mother like this
>>76148427
how am i offending her? what the fuck? the memes are true, catholics literally WORSHIP mary like pagans.
you are comparing her to jesus, our lord and savior.
>>76148396
Abdul, your bantz are out of this world.
>>76148518
>you are comparing her to jesus, our lord and savior.
we aren't
>how am i offending her?
She never sinned, and you called her a sinner. She is in heaven with Jesus, and you called her dead. That is offensive
>>76148085
>>76148101
I think the body needs to reproduce, same way as we need to eat and breathe.
I think there are negative effects of abstinece, simply try to do a no fap year.
>>76148139
my country is like 98% catholic and people here seem to be religious, much more than europe.
It's pretty common to see at the holy celebrations to see any minister, even at the most random place to gather hundreds of followers to do the procession.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AceZjNVvnQ
as you can see here, for us it's some matter of cultural tradition our catholic faith.
for some people are family traditions of several generations old.
put this on youtube "semana santa colombia" (holy week colombia).
I hope all of you look at this thread and see what happens when Catholics take over a Christian thread. Hardly anywhere is anyone actually discussing scripture or even attempting to help their fellow man reach a fellowship with Christ. Catholics worship everything but Christ, and even go as far as discouraging people from reading scripture for themselves. It's shameful what you Catholics bring to these threads.
>Preachs contradictory book
>preachs book that says you will have powers if you believe this, but then you don't get any
>when you don't get these powers you are acussed of being sinning already if you ask where they are
>"the sin of checking out who the fuck you're dealing with actually".
>preachs book that claims the creator hates you if you fuck with whomever you desire
>no way to check if this is true because making sure of what is true is apparently evil
Long story short: I ended up with an evil spirit inside and people who claimed to come from Satan would attack me using supernatural powers.
For some reason these people and spirits that allegedly came to me trying to send me to Satan aren't fond on me accepting Satan as my God and saviour.
What gave me the idea to make this move is how an alleged "daughter of Satan" wanted to get the fuck away from me the moment I sarted calling on Satan myself.
