>E S S E N T I A L - / P O L / - V I E W I N G :
N I G E L -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
G O V E ( 5 5 : 4 2 - F O R - B E A U T Y )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8D8AoC-5i8
>L A T E S T - P O L L S :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/05/britain-s-eu-referendum
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271589
>We can control migration inside EU, says PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36437329
>EU referendum: Brexit 'could boost NHS by £100m a week
'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36450749
>Why banks won’t leave if we vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/03/why-banks-wont-leave-if-we-vote-for-brexit/
>EU’s Jean-Claude Juncker Drunk in Public, Slaps Leaders
http://heatst.com/uk/five-presidents-eus-jean-claude-juncker-drunk-in-public-slaps-leaders/
>Andrew Neil: The much-lauded EU-Canada free trade deal now facing mounting opposition in Belgium, Germany and Holland. Free trade in trouble in/out of EU
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/739033696158769152
>Michael Gove quotes Donald Trump THREE times during EU referendum debate
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/michael-gove-quotes-donald-trump-8111886
>>76073340
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/michael-gove-quotes-donald-trump-8111886
Why does the poll swing in favour of Gove getting tips from Trump? We need to swing it the other way. The UK is not ready.
>mfw all the countries will demand a referendum after Britain leaves.
>>76073340
>all those comments in favour of Brexit and calling for our own Trump
B A S E D
Also, what a terrible article, why would someone make that
What do you think 3rd wave feminists support in this refutendum, and why?
What do you think Muslims support in this refutendum, and why?
>>76073885
>What do you think 3rd wave feminists support in this refutendum, and why?
IN, as they're marxists too.
>What do you think Muslims support in this refutendum, and why?
In because the EU brings in more muslims.
Who should be our next PM and why is it Daniel Hannan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8&feature=youtu.be
He's given the best speeches of every Brexiteer so far, even moreso than Farage
If he's not in the runnings then Bojo it is
>>76074057
After last nights performance, Gove's in with a shot
>>76073885
See>>76074018
He got it in one
Why are the Scots so pathetic?
![article-2295489-18A9EC7E000005DC-859_634x500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OgU102C.jpg "article-2295489-18A9EC7E000005DC-859_634x500[1].jpg")
>>76074057
>>76073133
Based Gove.
Ended 20 years of grade inflation in our worthless education system.
Got us out of the EUSSR.
Why are the Welsh so based?
>>76074237
He has dank memes, he'd have to be on the front bench but I don't see him as PM
>>76074159
To be fair he did alright, but in terms of general based-ness he ain't no Bojo (or Hannan)
>>76074408
Hannan is based but he isn't even an MP
>>76074159
This.
I was taken back by how good he was. Faisal's demolition of Dave the night before went to his head, he thought Gove would be as easy as Cameron but Gove hit back. Faisal even got booed by the crowd at one point.
And after all that, that ending statement as the Sky closing music began playing. It was prophetical
Resiting the urge to argue with remaniacs on Facebook lads. Wat do?
>>76074583
Don't bother; all of their lefty friends will arrive, like their posts and you'll be left thinking it looks like you lost.
>>76074583
>that simpsons mr burns mystery box meme is everywhere
>>76074717
Weakling. if people dont like you they dont like you. fuck them
>>76074583
Post everything and dont back down, your country needs you
>>76074212
DO NOT WORRY.
They are just a little less eurosceptic than us
>>76074328
Wales is white.
>>76074532
I know that's why I doubt he'll be in the running to be PM, but I just feel that he could be
>>76074212
>that London
>>76074793
post it for those of us not on normiebook
>>76074884
For representation of Europhiles (people who love the EU).
>>76074797
Facebook is an echo chamber, you won't change anyone's minds.
>>76074892
Good thing hes already in the shower, saves alot of time
>>76074057
>>76074978
Or Zucker(((Berg))) will hand in your details to MI5 and then the SAS will rappel through the window and flashbang you to death
>>76074892
It's over
europhiles btfo
>>76074057
>>76074159
Dan Hannan said he wants Gove to be PM in his interview with Owen Jones
>>76074581
He was excellent but it's a fair criticism that brexit needs more quasi-policies on how we'd spend the indepedance dividend.
>>76074940
Just says 'we can stay a part of something bigger, or take the mystery box'
>>76074581
He said he didn't want to be PM
>>76074581
Was pretty funny watching Faisal try to cut him off, the madman just drowned him out.
>>76075321
He's not going to say he wants to be PM while campaigning to essentially destroy Cameron's career with Brexit
>>76075281
here it is
>>76074884
Debatable
A lot of Welsh look rather swarthy
>>76075488
>big player in europe
Can any of these cucks name 3 policies that Britain has fought and won for in Yurope?
>>76073133
when will the referendum be?
you better not fuck this up
>>76075488
I genuinely want the mystery box
>>76075106
He is trying to bring it back to the TRUE conservative party, not what the last 20th/21st century has done to it
>>76074212
Surely it's just a coincidence.
>>76075514
REEEEEE
>tfw there will never be an event big enough to trigger a race war.
>tfw i will never be given the chance to make Britain white again.
Are ya winning bongs?
What are the chances of crashing the EU?
>>76075597
They couldn't even name 3 MEP's
Seriously we need to spread this fucking video of Juncker
https://youtu.be/XPgiI46FCDU
>>76075488
>Implying you shouldn't take the mystery box just for keks.
the best way to win over lefties with brexit is with cost.
Over the last 6 years of austerity the Government has saved £44billion through cutting public spending
each year we give £18bn (gross) £9bn (net) to the EU.
Over 6 years that's £108bn or £56bn.
say shit about public spending and NHS to win them over
> 5 minutes into the Gove interview
> Interviewer wont stop interrupting him
I hope this gets better.
What are the polls? When is nige v cam?
>>76075863
>thinking lefties care about numbers
>not realising it's just an excuse for them to go MUH TORIES
>>76076013
it does
>>76076013
GET READY M8
>>76073133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
This needs to be shared like the Brexit documentary was
>>76076013
I T ' S - C O M I N G
>want to be happy because brexit looks more likely every day at the moment
>can't be happy because of crushing anxiety about exams
wat do
>>76075863
>the best way to win over lefties with brexit is with cost.
The EU is pro-megcorps as well, so that's another avenue of attack. There are 30,000 lobbyists in Brussels.
The other assumption lefties make is that the EU will always remain socialist, you should bring up the point with them that the far-right is rising.
Does anyone have the video of Cameron getting btfo by the college kid talking about his fear mongering into staying in the EU
LBC's audio settings are comfy.
>>76076049
I converted one with this argument and teased him saying he agreed with Cameron and Osborne
>>76076068
>>76076082
>>76076134
I'll trust you lads. He's handling it calmly and well, but I want to punch this interviewer.
>>76076178
who is on?
>>76076259
Listening to one from yesterday: https://youtu.be/mOXQZIAwAAg
>supporting UKIP
you're probably all like this guy >>76076200
>>76076144
revise all day every day
>>76076303
Thanx, I like listening to hopkins on a Sunday
Four remainers/don't knows (early-to-mid 20s) converted to leave so far.
Many more to go. Join in.
>>76076321
>promoting your own shit thread
fuck off
>>76076321
what an awful thread - embarrassing!
>>76074057
>Lolbetarians
I'm tolerating him til after the vote
>>76076490
>>76076469
/pol/ doesn't win anymore.
Poster shills for his own thread. Sad!
>>76076423
Saw a few Vote Leave signs yesterday. In a Labour area too.
>>76076321
shit thread, try harder m8
>tfw converting your lefty friends
>>76076542
he's not 100% lol, he believes in armed forces, and a degree of government healthcare (but not NHS) and some other bits and bobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOXQZIAwAAg
>Nigel leading 60 fishing trawlers up the thames straight up to parliament in a visual spectacle
>>76076979
>>76076961
Shh silly little brown man
When is milo v Shapiro?
>>76075863
if lefties understood facts they wouldn;t be lefties m9
>>76076961
R E M I N D E R :
>>76077062
Can't wait for this.
>>76077680
I just hope they fly giant flags from there masts
Watching Gove vs Facial Islam right now on youtube
My god he absolutely tore Facial a new asshole
I still think his face looks silly but he was like a lion.
>>76077881
it gets even better keep watching
ill trade you guys peter hitchens for any one of our shithouse political commentators
>>76077062
>60 boat flotilla
DANGEROUS FANTASY
SCARE MONGERIN
>>76077959
we dont want ur shit political commentators
>>76077881
I think Faisal got a bit over confident after tearing one into Cameron the night before, Gove knocked him back into reality
>>76077881
I was wondering, the way Faisal constantly interrupted both Cameron and Gove, does that count as good interviewing practice over there? He was being so fucking obnoxious and refused to let the supposed interviewees speak.
Gove definitely did handle his childish behavior better though.
Nige's flotilla
>>76077959
He's back now btw
He's been on suicide watch the last few years
>>76078019
What Chinese cartoon is this?
>>76078049
No it's really deplorable. Jeremy Paxman and that other guy I can't remember does this a lot as well.
If you ant to watch a good interviewer watch Andrew Neil, he is treats everybody equally harshly but doesn't interrupt unless he actually has something good to say.
>>76078111
it's called kinmoza
Brit/pol/ approved.
>>76078049
Nah, not good practice.
We have proper interviews and we have high-pressure interviews. The high-pressure one's are just there to see if they can make them crack under the pressure. One guy here, Paxman, is famous for this. Brit's really don't respect people that cannot control there emotions, which is why Gove got such a good reception in this morning's papers.
>>76078111
Kiniro Mosaic.
It's shit.
>>76078096
i know i been following him since 2013 when i watched him do that strange segment in a university where he debated 4 or 5 female students for some reason during the olympics
his recent one the drug debate he did at that university was so damn good
>>76078035
rush is alright sorta we have one here in atlanta whos good eric erikson
>>76078201
looks shit but I might watch it if i'm feeling suicidal
>>76077959
He doesn't want you. He wants Cuckada for some reason but, and I quote, 'I'm too old now'.
>>76078019
Flagship pictured
>>76078420
>putting fags on your ship to cause floods
Based Burnett.
Kinda pissed Ruptly aren't filming the Pegida march on Rotherham
VERY IMPORTANT
http://www.strawpoll.me/10394518
http://www.strawpoll.me/10394518
http://www.strawpoll.me/10394518
>in North East town barber's
>Labour stronghold
>guy tells me evey single person who's spoken about the EU is going to vote leave
Why do remainers and liberals keep yelling 'scaremongering!' and 'xenophobia!'?
Can't they actually engage properly in argument instead of attacking the argument itself?
>>76078413
it's fairly wank but it shows you how Japanese people view British people which is really flattering.
Japs have a proper obsession for blonde hair for some reason
>>76078420
i know he hates america but he likes the south when did he say hes too old? i wont have a reason to go on youtube if he gives up
Anyone else annoyed Ali has stolen Gove's press?
B R E X I T
R
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>>76078751
Yeah pretty shitty tbqh, Gove killed it
>>76078650
red hair as well
>>76078637
Because they think the tactics used against Donald Trump in the US are the new-normal and will work here as well, e.g. the references to 'divide rhetoric', etc. They are just trying to ape what Donald's opponents are doing in the US, utterly oblivious to the fact that he is steamrolling his way to the presidency regardless.
>>76078697
He's written about it in previous articles and spoken about it on at least one BBC QT appearance; more the fact that he is too old to start over again in a new place. I've been following Hitchens for more than 15 years now and I wouldn't go so far as to say he 'hates' the US.
>>76078650
I wondered what Japanese/Chinese tourists said about the local non-native populations in Europe?
>>76078637
why can't vote leave provide an economically coherent plan?
>>76078931
Why can't remain?
Help me out lads, my dad keeps giving me shit for supporting brexit, what should I do?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1blgHzb3DHM
>>76078931
>MFW he doesnt know economic forecasts are less credible than astrology
p.s stop being a coward, have some principle/character
My parents came over today and I told them I was voting leave.
My mother was shocked and called me a racist hypocrite as my grandparents were immigrants (glossing over the fact that my grandfather earned his right to live here by fighting nazis in the skies over London).
My dad dislikes the EU but is on the fence and is voting remain just to be safe.
What can I do to bring them on our side.
>>76078758
Thank you reverse Czechoslovakia.
>>76078931
because when you leave you suddenly get choices about what you can do
the most obvious thing is throwing away the vast amounts of shitty protectionist EU regulations that impede trade with the wider world and get trade deals that were previously impossible to get under the EU.
In addition, EFTA membership would probably make sense.
In many other areas there would be a need for widespread debate as you bongs would have control over many aspects of the economy that had been previously given away.
>>76077062
how can one man be so based?
>>76079067
Wtf is this
Tell him you'll open the door if he promises to vote to close the borders
>>76078931
>economically coherent
>shekels and good international finance statistics are the most important thing in this referendum
Keep swallowing the blue pill, my man. You think the founding fathers were concerned about the economy when they fought the war of independance? Grow a spine, you flimsy anti-British coward.
>>76078917
I'd imagine they probably think all the darkies walking around are just tourists too.
>>76079067
This is a repost.
All I ever see anywhere is Vote Leave signs in Hedgrows and windows. All I ever hear peopel talk about is leaving. I honestly have not seen a single remain poster or campaign group. Even at the Car Boots they have the Leave campaign people doling out free pens.
>>76079163
1. Murder your mother and bury her in the back garden
2. Drinks with your dad
>tfw """"liberals"""" don't even care about democracy anymore
>>76079325
Same. I want to know who these apparent 50% remainers are.
>>76079061
You're going to have to explain this desu m8, economically we're alright with low unemployment.
>>76079105
Good post for outing yourself as to not understanding economics m8, what is your particular issue with the econometrics used by the oecd, imf, ifs etc? I'd like to know.
Maybe you're happier with economists for brexit who predict our manufacturing would collapse entirely if we left and use methodology that predicted mass unemployment in 1997 because of the minimum wage introduction?
>>76079192
i'm all for loosening protectionism, hopefully ttip will aid that, but i'm failing to see how common out of the single common market will benefit us economically, even if the wto sort things out quickly and we get trade deals set up within minutes of leaving
>>76079265
people's wages don't matter? ok kid
>>76079163
there is no fucking point in trying to redpill women, they are children.
Your dad is torn because of your mum. He will robably vote leave but say he voted remain.
>>76078868
>I wouldn't go so far as to say he 'hates' the US.
well i suppose your right i just know hes not a big fan of our government but then again no one really is i really enjoy his work and point of view
him and nigel farage or the only two british political commentators ive found myself listening to regularly
>>76079163
start with sovereignty, defense, then to the economy, then to economy and immigration.
watch brexit related stuff in their presence. shill.
>>76079391
Being this cucked in 2016
>>76079397
He's very envious of your navy in particular, coming from a military family with a naval background and spending his formative years moving from naval base to naval base.
Am I the only guy who thinks Dan Hannan is based as fuck? He brings his arguments across with such clarity and eloquence and his positive approach is fantastic.
>>76079325
My SJW wants to stay.
My Dad does too and just strawmans the leave campaign while using arguments like WWIII will break out himself.
Neither are possible to communicate with so I don't bother these days.
>>76079567
*SJW sister
>>76079163
>My mother was shocked and called me a racist
Tell her to go fuck herself. People need to be called out on banding around the term racist, it can be a life-ruining accusation and people who use it need to czech themselves.
>>76079542
>Am I the only guy who thinks Dan Hannan is based as fuck?
Of course not
>>76079391
Your wages aren't going to change if we Brexit you fucking moron. What, your employer is going to change your paycheck IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW because of it? You're fucking delusional, you've been brainwashed into voting remain to the point where you can't think straight.
Under what asstarded logic does that make sense? Hurr Im mister employer, I see we left the union yesterday, welp, time to cut all employees wages I guess.
>>76079374
It's retards like the guy I'm talking to now, who think that they're really clever because they've read some book by a neoconservative about how trade and money are the only things that matter in a society.
>>76079542
And based Moggsy
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-bets-1000-brexit-ladbrokes-1563584
it really needs to be forced upon peopel the fact that this is the on chance to leave. We sure as hell wont get another one. No staying in to be on the safe side, then whining in 5 years about having the Euro forced on us.
>>76079542
It's a joke that he is not a leading face of the Leave campaign instead of that fucking careerist Johnny-Come-Lately Boris Johnson, but that's a whole other argument.
>>76079567
Congrats! You are the son of retarded, politically-illiterate morons.
Poor you. Probably kill yourself so your apologist genes can not continue.
>>76079720
Exactly.
>>76079520
i remember him talking about his father being in the navy and being born in malta do people actually hate him so much there as they do in those bbc audiences or are they really just extremely stacked?
>>76073133
>Faisal Islam
>ISLAM
>>76079391
>Good post for outing yourself as to not understanding economics m8
Get back to pleddit m8
Sovereignty > Economy risk
Y O U ' R E - F E E B L E , W E A K
>>76079542
Had him sign my book of his when I met him. He was based in person desu, really made time for everyone.
>>76079836
>no med kit shill of the EU as a leader of the unwashed hordes
>>76079163
>glossing over the fact that my grandfather earned his right to live here by fighting nazis in the skies over London
Ask her if she thinks he fought just to forfeit national sovereignty across Europe anyway.
https://youtu.be/KLDZkypBHnw
>>76073133
2 More leave the EU votes posted off today lads.
>>76079795
He over-apes how much people hates him, partially because I think he enjoys it. Because a lot of his views are what we would now probably term old-school Labour, he picks up quite a broad bit of support from the leftists in certain areas, such as his support for the nationalisation of the railways.
His reputation used to be a lot higher before Britain slid into cuckoldry. At one point in the 1990s he was going to be made the BBC News' political editor.
>>76080058
Cracking. No doubt they'll go straight in a bin :/
>>76074581
I actually felt like Gove was really weak. He offered no solid answers, just sort of relying on nationalist tones to rouse up an argument.
Me and my gf are out but it actually created doubts as he had no answers to a lot of answers.
I know he can't prophesise stuff but it made
Me feel like going out would have ramifications on the job market for instance
>>76079542
Also did you guys see how he tore Eddie Izzard the new hole he always wanted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qleJJoLE22g
http://www.strawpoll.me/10394747
>>76080109
I don't know about you brother, but I would give a finger to save my arm.
>>76079648
that's not what i said though, over the next decade - out of the single common market - we will have lower gdp per capita and people's wages will be lower, companies will find it more difficult in general
trade and money aren't the only things that matter, but they're pretty important, and when it comes down to it considering my life polish/bulgarian/romanian/whatever immigration hasn't affected me negatively at all and i have worked in spain and germany for a company that has a lot of close ties with other eu countries, it has only been good for me and most people in the country who can be bothered to think beyond their shithole post-industrial town. The immigration that is actually of concern isn't from the EU either.
I also don't buy into most of the arguments around sovereignty, the difference to most people's daily lives would be fuck all, aside from all the migrants stuck in calais disappearing into the mist in the uk.
>>76080117
>turns up to a serious debate dressed like a faggot like he does for his """""comedy""""" shows
>spends the entire thing arguing for muh feels
dafuq?
>>76080244
But silly bongman, I am not in the EU and its shitty regulations and I'm doing much better than you because of it. The EU cannot erect any trade barriers with Britain because that would be against its own self-interest. Even if they tried WTO rules would mean that any barriers they'd attempt to impose would be ineffective.
>>76080244
What's the percentage difference on GDP in vs out by 2030 again?
>muh 0.8% percentage drop if we leave
>>76080243
This is what I don't get. People who are relying on the minutiae of this instead of Britain vs. USE are retarded.
"Ooooh but we aren't getting any information!"
>Get off your fucking asses and do some research then
>>76080244
You are clearly a teenager then or similar and are not in the midst of a normal, adult life if you can't grasp how being free of the EU's political controls would affect your day-to-day life.
>>76073133
Gove is a poisonous snake who will backstab the Brexit movement at the last minute. Never trusted him at all. Sorry to see Nigel have to make such strange bedfellows.
>>76080704
this
>>76080494
werent you guys in some other european agreement that you left after a year or so in 93 or 94? why are the swiss the only people not afraid of governing themselves in the western world?
>>76080704
>>76080768
Gove has been anti-EU for decades lads
I trust him
>>76078111
Kiniro Mosaic
It's boring as fuck but Karen a cute.
>>76080819
The Swiss have more direct democracy so the people get a much bigger say in what goes on AFAIK, but swissbro can answer more accurately.
>>76073133
ARE YA WINNING SON?
Can someone explain what good leaving the EU will do? I'm a pan-European nationalist that believes in a stronger "fortress" Europe.
Now I just watched the David Cameron vs Facial Islam 'debate', he didn't get a single clap from the audience lmao
>>76074328
North-East being based as fuck again.
Literally the only sane place left in the country.
>>76081099
The EU is anti-European
>>76080494
you're in the single market though m8, i'd be much less wary of voteleave if they werent saying to leave it, swiss is generally a well run country though - stuff like your school system and manufacturing couldve easily been done here too, nothing to do with the eu for example
what do you feel you gain from not being in the eu? you have higher per capita migration than us(or at least have had)
avoiding the eurozone is a good thing, but we avoid that, no schengen is good but again the uk doesnt have that
>>76080506
remaining in the single common market or not? you'll find that doing that has less of an impact on the economy but dilutes the talking points on migration and sovereignty a great deal, but getting out will fuck the economy significantly
>>76080626
yes working in 3 countries is clearly the sign of a teenager, i'm probably older than you m8 and clearly have an idea of how economically the eu benefits us
if you want out of the single common market and lower migration then that is find, we will have a bit more control on things - will it affect my life? possibly for work but i am a highly skilled worker, i could find a move to another country if the uk goes to the shitter
but our government won't reduce migration, look at the numbers of non-eu migrants as an example
>>76081099
Strips the EU of power, strips merkel of power, gives britain sovereignty over the nation's course back, opens possibility for other alliances.
>>76080244
You talk like someone who's doing their economics AS level.
There are more important things in life than your made up useless kike numbers.
>migrants disappearing into the mist in the UK
Yeah, cause france will be able to just dump them instantly onto dover. Yeah. That will definitely happen. There's no way to stop them whatsoever. We all know England doesn' have boats or any method of tracking what's coming into port, don't we? Yeah, we all know that the French can land incognito vessels carrying thousands of migrants without us being able to do squat?
You're a shill. A poor one, at that.
>>76081099
do you think that the E "Islam belongs in Europe" U will help or hinder that fortress Europe
>>76081099
The EU has specifically weakened the borders between us and Africa/Middle East as part of their plan for white genocide. Voting to leave will strengten national borders.
>>76080819
Switzerland is a member of EFTA, of which the UK was a founding member of too.
I think the reasons why we value our independence are two-fold: Number 1 is our neutrality, siding with a large superstate like the EU is obviously a clear violation of that.
Number two is our localism and direct democracy. We live in a state of constant referendums about damn near anything, a system that has kept us out of a whole lot of bad deals and shitty acts of legislation that have fucked things over throughout the western world. When the people decide on some ridiculous subsidy, tax, regulation or anything like that, it's much clearer for them who actually has to foot the bill in the end. Handing such control to the EU would be throwing away powers that we don't even trust our own elected politicians with.
>>76081099
> "fortress" Europe
Can't stop unarmed migrants swarming from North Africa and Turkey.
Russia could literally send Ivan and a few mates to clear up in a week.
>>76080244
>aside from all the migrants stuck in calais disappearing into the mist in the uk.
You do realise that calais is a bilateral agreement between britain and france and fuck all to do with the EU don't you?
>>76075649
Swarthy looking Welshman detected.
>>76081099
Fortress Europe would be an awesome idea.
Unfortunately, the barbarians are already inside the gates and bleeding us dry.
>>76081185
>remaining in the single common market or not? you'll find that doing that has less of an impact on the economy but dilutes the talking points on migration and sovereignty a great deal, but getting out will fuck the economy significantly
Let's say we're outside the single market. How much will GDP fall by 2030 according to the OECD report?
pol we need to get this trending
Referendum day is
#INDEPENDENCEDAY
>>76081099
The EU is pretty much anti-European nationalism. They are pro globalisation.
>>76081214
>>76081241
>>76081247
But surely having some say in the EU whilst it exists is a good thing to do?
That's if we actually went a voted, I mean if less than half of the population are voting - and some are voting for a party that's against the EU, it's no wonder we have no say in Europe?
Why can't the EU get it's shit together and help out our brother countries in the east before helping those surrounded by their own culture?
Will we be able to make this dream a reality if we're totally out of it?
>>76081303
there is so much to learn between the swiss and the japanese
>>76081185
We are part of the single market but we don't follow any EU laws we don't specifically want as well.
Migration is a very confusing topic for non-Swiss people. The statistics are skewed by the fact that it's hard as fuck to actually gain Swiss Citizenship, so people who would in many other countries not count as foreigners do count as foreigners here, even if they were born here and only speak our languages. THat's a whole other point of controversy though.
Joining Schengen was a mistake, and it'll probably become a big subject here in the future as the EU is bound to push laws that affect the entire Schengen area, including us while bypassing our political system.
It'll probably soon put things like our gun rights in jeopardy, which would seriously piss off the rurals.
>>76081594
You're mistaking the EU for a democratic organisation. The unelected and unacccountable Commission has the sole authority to write new law, the parliament only signs off on it. The Commission will not develop any legislation to help our brothers across Europe.
tell me about ukip
>>76074328
Fucking Bristol is ruining the South West, I bet.
>>76081877
Watch the video in the OP.
All you need to know
>>76074583
I've also been struggling with this, but for the most part no one's been posting anything.
Worst thing I've seen was this idiot posting something about old people having less of a vote due to the fact that they're old and 'they've already benefitted from the economy boost of the EU'. Basically as young people are more likely to vote remain, older people should have less say. Why are people for remaining so against democracy and others opinions?
>>76081877
Civic nationalism
>>76081776
I don't believe that everything a governing body does should be democractic though mate, I'm not qualified enough in certain fields to really have any weighted opinion. I mean can't we come up with a checks and balances system to keep everything in order rather than just leaving? Can't we push for that instead of giving up?
>>76081983
*Ethnic
>>76081877
the only remotely rightwing party they have they say a bunch of stuff our republicans would say but they get called evil racists for it
>>76081229
>You talk like someone who's doing their economics AS level.
>made up useless kike numbers
Maybe read some economics before you try to have a go at someone for it?
France won't dump them over, they just won't bother stopping them - it was a huge issue before we had that agreement. You're probably too young to remember though.
Try to think a bit instead of resorting to tiresome ad homs.
>>76081431
>diplomatic ties within the eu didn't help this at all
come on, it's a classic bit of liberal IR, why would the french remain liberal if we switch to a realist strain of thought?
>>76081456
Probably around 5% according to them, around £3000 per household, 4% of net worth per person(as gdp is aided by higher migration)
You can read it for yourself you know
http://www.oecd.org/economy/the-economic-consequences-of-brexit-a-taxing-decision.htm
>>76081702
You can stil make it difficult to gain citizenship in the eu though, there's not a uniform policy on citizenship. What do you think would be worse in the eu for the swiss?
Personally I think the difference between being in the single market and out of the eu, or in the eu (and not in schegen or the eurozone) is quite minimal.
>>76081991
Simply look at the decisions the Commission has made in the past, I think you'll find they don't align with your goals as a white nationalist.
No political groundswell in opinion will move the EU leadership to regulate themselves. The highest echelons of the EU have resisted scurnity for the last 40 years.
>>76081991
>Can we change the EU in any way whatsoever
No, not unless you've got a spare billion for a lobby group
>>76082214
got any examples off the top of your head? Really interested to see what they've been up to.
>>76082138
>>diplomatic ties within the eu didn't help this at all
>britain only has good relations with france because of the EU
>france's president, whose entire term in office has been about not rocking the boat is going to fuck both countries over
come on now
>>76082138
>Probably around 5% according to them, around £3000 per household, 4% of net worth per person(as gdp is aided by higher migration)
>You can read it for yourself you know
I already have, thanks.
So your position is national GDP will decrease by 5% over the next 15 years if we leave, correct? What margin of error does the OECD nominally include in their yearly forecasts, let alone one for nearly 2 decades into the future?
Spotted in Edinburgh this afternoon
>>76082501
Stand next to it with a bigger union flag
>>76082501
Why didn't you set it alight?
>>76082501
Pop their balloons.
>>76082501
>>76082355
As a white nationalist I would suspect you would find EU's incompetance regarding the recent flow of illegal immigrants concerning.
>>76082026
Suuure
(SERIOUS) Hey guys, sup. I'm a legal immigrant from the EU. Will I be asked to leave once you guys vote out? shit shit shit this shit worries me
>>76082138
>You can stil make it difficult to gain citizenship in the eu though, there's not a uniform policy on citizenship. What do you think would be worse in the eu for the swiss?
That's a silly argument as it wouldn't matter what our policy is while other EU countries have easy access to citizenship, that in turn lets them go anywhere else in the EU.
>Personally I think the difference between being in the single market and out of the eu, or in the eu (and not in schegen or the eurozone) is quite minimal.
From the perspective of intracontinental trade it is, (and that's an obvious reason why the UK should leave the EU) but when you consider the rest of the world things get very different.
Switzerland has trade deals with countless countries that the EU doesn't. If Switzerland were to join the EU we'd lose these deals. We'd also have to accept a shitload of horrible regulations that currently only matter when we trade with the EU. Britain could easily get the same deal or better as it is a far larger country than us. I mean for fuck's sake, we're a country with a slightly larger population than London but we have more influence on the international stage.
>>76073133
Watching the sky debate now and Faisal is such a rude cunt
I-it gets better right
>>76082501
So let me get this straight - Scottish Nationalists are happy to share their fishes with other European? Sounds unNationalist to me.
>>76082750
No of course not
>>76082750
Stop posting this fucking shit in every thread you sad cunt
>>76082750
No.
Although you would be aware that the country doesn't want you here so you should leave or an hero anyway.
>>76082860
but I'm worried
>>76082846
Yeah, I'd give Gove 8/10
>>76082138
>Personally I think the difference between being in the single market and out of the eu, or in the eu (and not in schegen or the eurozone) is quite minimal.
The difference would be that our sovereign Parliament would choose to adopt EU regulations or not.
The way it should be, and has been for centuries of history.
>>76078576
If the North votes to leave can we?
Since a similar rule applies to Scotland
>>76082846
I was waiting for Gove or someone in the audience to turn to Faisel and call him a poor man's Paxman with even less consistency.
>>76082910
BULLSHIT
>>76082699
Token minorities are necessary to fuck the 'UKIP are waycist' brigade.
B r e x s t h e t i c
L a d s
>>76082695
I do, but I have my own belief that it's capitalism as a whole that has no ties to nation-states. A worker is just a worker for the rich regardless of ethnicity or culture - if you've spread your assets across a multitude of countries, deny your people your civic duty tax, why should you care if one place gets flooded, why should it matter if "peasant" culture is destroyed?
>>76082501
Scottish """"""""""""National"""""""""""" Party
>>76082979
He needs a right slap for not allowing him to talk and trying to ridicule everything he said
I'm surprised there's not a huge backlash right now
>>76083024
The left wing brigade has done that themselves by proving to be retarded on every level.
>>76083006
I am worried, man. I really love this country and the overall culture and way of life and don't want to forced out of it.
I know that it's none of my business and you guys will decide - it's your country. But this doesn't change the fact that I am worried.
>>76083024
Pandering is pathetic
"Look! We aren't racist, please please support us!"
>>76083049
>[muffled 80s synth in the background]
>>76083156
I get that Faisel was probably told to play the bad cop in both interviews, but someone obviously didn't think it through to realise that a man of Gove's intellect, would latch on to that and use it against him.
I'm not even scared of not winning anymore. Every factor suggests a landslide for Brexit, I'm scared of the vote being rigged.
>>76083279
That's pretty much a given.
>>76083279
Our only hope is that the win is large enough that they cannot reasonably rig it with the postal vote. That means basically outvoting remain by at least 5000 and preferably much more than that. Any smaller of a margin than that though, they will just create fake postal votes in roughly the amount needed and then call it 51 remain 49 leave.
I'm worried about it. Austria set the fear in my heart that this shit can and will be done.
>>76083279
It will be.
It will be.
>>76083405
What, that the vote will be rigged?
>>76083279
Look at it this way. if we do lose and there's suggestions of rigging the tory party will schism, cameron will be kicked out and there's a chance at another election where UKIp would do bretty gud and end up in a coalition
>>76083267
12 mins in so far and it's pretty painful, poor gove can't get a word in.
Surprised he's keeping his composure, I would have jumped over that table by now
>>76083462
Indeedy.
>>76083491
Faisal Islam is so fucking obnoxious. He's a little bastard numale minority.
I voted to stay in. What about you lads?
>>76083491
Gove is an intellect who knows how to play the game with these pretend journalists.
I can't remember when, but just wait until he turns the tables of Faisel regarding his grilling of Cameron the day before.
The one thing that did piss me off about Gove's interview, was Faisel's constant fucking sighing and huffing. He sounded like a child getting a telling off.
Which now come to think of it, Gove did give him a good spanking.
>>76075488
>big player in europe since EU
>Anybody
>>76083609
I'm voting for Shillary.
>>76083051
Capitalism as a whole or just crony capitalism? You can't have true transnationals without government assistance, which is precisely what the EU provides. We have seen the results of that: 50% unemployment in the south of the continent.
