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Friday, June 3, 2016
Liturgical Year C, Cycle II
First Friday
Today's Mass
Sacred Heart of Jesus - Solemnity
Readings for Mass
First Reading: Ezekiel 34:11-16
Responsorial Psalm: Psalms 23:1-3, 3-4, 5, 6
Second Reading: Romans 5:5-11
Gospel: Luke 15:3-7
Today's Rosary: The Sorrowful Mysteries
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E23LSKpJS3M
inb4 anti-Catholic guy complains about liturgy
>>76029470
Personally I'm not Catholic but nothing wrong with the liturgy.
>>76029305
Madame Hohlakov: “How – how can I get back my faith?…How can I prove it? How can I convince myself?”
Father Zossima: “But there’s no proving it, though you can be convinced of it.”
Madame Hohlakov: “How?”
Father Zossima: “By the experience of active love. Strive to love your neighbor actively and indefatigably. In as far as you advance in love you will grow surer of the reality of God and of the immortality of your soul. If you attain to perfect self-forgetfulness in the love of your neighbor, then you will believe without doubt, and no doubt can possibly enter your soul. This has been tried. This is certain.”
Lurking as always.
Daily reminder that degenarcy of the West after the end of the WW2 was foretold centuries earlier
>>76030223
NON PRAEVALEBUNT
>>76030431
Hanno già
>>76030393
bless u
>>76029305
>Readings for Mass
>First Reading: Ezekiel 34:11-16
>Responsorial Psalm: Psalms 23:1-3, 3-4, 5, 6
>Second Reading: Romans 5:5-11
>Gospel: Luke 15:3-7
How do you know these OP? Personal favourites or because you know them by heart?
>>76029470
Filthy heathen protestant here. I love liturgy, and Catholic mass in general, there's a rich history and tradition behind it that protestant churches sadly lack.
>>76031197
ewww france
>>76029305
Faith isn't about passion. It's about conviction and being right.
>>76031197
Unless you can stop prophecy, the Gates will open and Tubal-Cain will inherit the Earth. It is written:
1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.”
>>76031459
wut?
>>76031633
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIXGT7luR4A
>>76029305
What does a catholic do about the pope? About everything? Can i remain catholic if i dont believe in the popes/eucharist/vatican... i've only just come to understand the importance of nationalism and cultural conservation and was about to completely immerse myself, but now i realize the catholic church is really just a bunch of okey-doke
>>76029305
Thinking about converting to Roman Catholocism.
1. Would I need to defer to the pope for moral authority?
2. I read that I won't need to confess to sins I have already committed if I get baptized. Is this true?
>>76031749
>What does a catholic do about the pope?
Nothing, why would you do anything?
>About everything?
Keep being a good Catholic
>Can i remain catholic if i dont believe in the popes/eucharist/vatican
You must believe in the dogma of the Church. The Pope, the eucharist are part of this. You can disagree with what the Pope says 99.99% of the time, unless he is speaking ex-cathedra.
>okey-doke
obama pls
>>76031890
>1. Would I need to defer to the pope for moral authority?
No, you need to defer to the doctrine of the Church for that, to the deposit of the Faith as preserved by the Magisterium.
You have no obligation to agree with the pope unless he is speaking ex-cathedra, which is a rare occurrence anyway. For instance, Pope Francis has never done that yet.
>2. I read that I won't need to confess to sins I have already committed if I get baptized. Is this true?
I think that if you confess your sins are washed away and that you only have to confess those that you commit after you have been baptised. You should ask a priest to be 100% sure, though.
>>76032167
*I think that if you receive baptism
>>76031731
>must be Catholic to achieve salvation
>not Protestant
>not Orthodox
And I thought Satan was supposed to be the divider in chief. How many people do you think your ignorance will affect?
>>76029305
>huuurrrr
Suspension of rational thoughts indeed.
How can I go on?
When our church is subverted, when degeneracy runs rampant through our streets daily? What could I possibly do to stand against such reckless destruction beyond praying? I feel that no matter how hard we try, we are merely a dam holding back the flood, and when we die the water will rush forth.
I pray so hard, brothers, but every day it just gets worse. When will God save us? When will the Lord liberate us from these shackles? I hope it is soon.
>>76032167
Thanks, anon. How would you respond to people who say that the Catholic Church was corrupted by Pelagians who taught unbiblical things and made a reformation necessary?
>>76032353
>fkn fundies
lads how do we convince people that meme magic is evil??
>>76032266
>66
you are not going to deceive us, satan.
>>76032469
that it's historically wrong. By reading the Church fathers it is pretty obvious the Church has not changed its doctrine.
Salvation is achieved through knowledge.
1. If you seek salvation, Christians will give you advice. This advice comes in the form of words that convey information, i.e. knowledge.
2. When navigating a desert, your knowledge of how to read a map is the difference between your death and your survival.
3. Ask and ye shall receive.
You need not restrain yourself from the many pleasures of this world in order to get into the next. Ignoring your animal nature means you learn nothing from it. We must all feel the pain of excess in order to crave the peace of the Light. In order to know virtue, one must first acquaint himself with vice - only then can we know the full measure of man. Why are you here if not to make mistakes and learn from them?
>>76031639
The unintentional depiction of the flag of anticlerical, anti-catholic France in the pic
>>76031105
Th3 schedule of the liturgy is standardized.
>>76032865
I offer knowledge to those with open minds. Those with closed minds consider this deception. You're sin of cynicism is why the world is turning away from God. For your sake, let the right one in.
Gotta go, to the next time brothers
>>76033095
red and white represent blood and purity of Christ. I doubt the blue has any significance
>>76032918
salvation is achieved through grace you dingus.
>>76032918
>1. If you seek salvation, Christians will give you advice. This advice comes in the form of words that convey information, i.e. knowledge.
That's not a valid premise.
>>76030393
Damn.
>>76033505
Of course it is.
>>76033637
No it's not. You can seek salvation and have no Christians around you to give you advice, for instance.
>>76033452
How do you KNOW that? More importantly, if you do KNOW that, then your knowledge of grace is your salvation.
fugg I am not sleepy
>>76033702
Sure, you can seek salvation and never find it. I'm not disputing that. If it were enough to simply want salvation, then why are so few people saved? You must know the way, and knowing is knowledge. Gnosticism is the narrow path, which is why I don't expect you to know about it.
>>76033977
So your premise is wrong. That's my point. Revise it if you want it to be not-wrong.
Presby reporting in
>>76034065
This:
>If you seek salvation, Christians will give you advice. This advice comes in the form of words that convey information, i.e. knowledge.
Is not at all contradicted by this:
>Sure, you can seek salvation and never find it.
All I'm saying is that without knowledge, your search will turn up nothing. Sorry if that bothers you.
>>76034308
Yes it is.
P1) If you seek salvation, Christians will give you advice.
This is contradicted by the following.
S)Someone seeks salvation, and no Christian gives them advice.
P1 is invalid if S is possible. S is possible. Therefore P1 is invalid.
>>76034038
M'lady
>>76032461
https://youtu.be/HF4-yweLOYs
Anon, you must understand that when Jesus died on the cross he took on all the sins of the world. This is portrayed as a box by the Luciferian media, ancient masons and other gnostics.. as several other things as well but the point is that Christ has already defeated sin and the anti-christ hasn't been born yet to counter it, although they are trying.
Have no fear!
https://youtu.be/5dErUvgEAU0
>>76034503
Oh, I see. We're nit-picking.
>If you seek salvation, Christians may give you advice.
Fixed.
Still doesn't change the fact that Gnosis is the only way to salvation.
>>76034718
If gnosis were required for salvation no one could be saved, since no one can have gnosis in regard to anything but "there are thoughts" as it seems to stand.
>>76034718
That is a sufficient fix though. No longer invalid.
>>76034503
That can only be true within a specific time-frame though.
>>76034811
>no one can have gnosis in regard to anything but "there are thoughts"
>If gnosis were required for salvation no one could be saved
Do you know either of these things?
>>76035016
Only a not-0 time frame. Any t1 to t2 is fine. You could also just be an asshole and not assume different time states between obviously time-dependent premises and conclusions and make them specify that, but I think that's fairly needless.
>>76035203
I know the only thing I think I know is "there are thoughts". If you can introduce me to something else I'd be delighted.
>>76035273
Sorry, English is my second language so I only got about 2/3's of that.
I meant if you spend enough time looking for salvation, you can find it.
>>76035455
I'd like to believe that but I don't know that it's true.
You could look for salvation and someone could shoot you a moment later, not giving you that "enough time". Or someone could search their whole lives and never find it, even if it was in front of their face the whole time.
>>76033977
THERE IT IS
Gnosticism is an inverted bible. It is about self-ascention, which correlates to egocentricism or narcissism essentially. It is the shared ideology of such schools of thought teaching critical theory (Frankfurt school), Anton LaVey's satanism, masonic fraternities, atheists, new agers, the illuminati and their satanic practices, the romans with their sacrificial pagan rituals and so many others. By Christian standards all of this self-ascention stuff turns out to be Luciferian in nature and is pushed harder than the bible to the masses every single day. Ultimately they are working towards a common goal whether they realize it or not. Of course, you wouldn't know you are supporting evil incarnate. This is how the Devil tricks you. He does not appear evil or wicked at first.
>>76035324
If you don't know that no one can achieve Gnosis, then you have not defeated my argument. If you claim to know that, then you have defeated your argument.
>>76035736
You don't know that someone *can* achieve gnosis. In fact, you're claiming someone can despite lacking even a conceptual framework for how they might.
>>76031394
God is calling you to the one true church.
>>76035712
Fucking lol do you have a source for any of that or are you just another whitewashed non-initiate?
Btw, check my ID throughout the thread. I think I know exactly what I'm talking about ;)
Catholic working at the first Anglican cathedral built outside of the British Isles reporting in, how are you guys?
>>76029305
Daily reminder, the Celts, the Germans and the Persians worshiped the Aesun/Aesir/Ahuras, and they were zoroastrians.
Come home and become soldiers of Ahura Mazda white men !
>>76035862
1. I think, therefore, I am.
2. If I am, I can experience.
3. If I can experience, I can learn.
4. If I can learn, I can know.
5. If I can know, reality is objective.
6. If reality is objective, others can know.
>>76029305
OP from this morning bumping.
I can't tell you how happy I was to see people continuing the threads.
>>76036015
You're only flashing the idea of "true knowledge" to subvert these people. It's a tired ideology. Ever hear of Solomon?
What "knowledge" are you trying to preach that hasn't already been vividly described in the Satanic bible?
>>76036377
>Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
>>76036377
1. Define "I"
2. - this is an invalid premise, since existence does not necessitate experience
3. - double invalid, carrying the invalidity of 2 as well as the fact that being able to experience does not necessitate the ability to learn
4. - triple invalid, carrying the previous invalidities as well as the fact that being able to learn does not necessitate the ability to know
5. - carries previous invalidities, but isn't wrong depending on how you qualify "reality"
6. - carries all previous invalidities, in conjunction with the fact that there's not necessarily anyone else *THERE* to know which may be troubling
Have fun~
>>76036406
The light of Daath, my friend. Your selfishly clinging to spirituality out of existential fear will prevent you from manifesting the fire of Kundalini toward all your obstacles.
But because I have a game of Civ to play, I'll spell it out for you: I came to this thread to test your faith and for no other reason. CLICK on my fucking ID. and scroll all the way up.
>>76036882
Your logic makes me stronger. Thanks for spanking me, anon. I'll remember it next time I come here to stir up shit.
>>76036989
>The light of Daath
U wot m8
>>76037084
Exactly.
>>76037067
Hope it brings you to God fameroni. Read Leibniz.
>>76036390
Hello nocturnal Christfriend
>>76037067
>Thanks for spanking me, anon
You are a weird guy.
But I hope you find God.
>>76037429
Hey brother!
Where does the New Testament say that the old law, specifically the old commandments are abolished?
Where does the New Testament say that Israel is the Catholic "church"?
>>76037679
>Where does the New Testament say that the old law, specifically the old commandments are abolished?
It doesn't
>Where does the New Testament say that Israel is the Catholic "church"?
It doesn't
>>76031631
>faith
>being right
Top kek
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZrGfsk8Gk
>>76036989
Yeah, you're excited for the anti-christ. Do you understand its physical manifestation or are you just an edgy little lord? Your pic describes the entire process. The bible describes it. Plain and simple: Gnosticism is globalism. It's communism. Like Jesus says... I came not for peace. "Peace of earth" is a terrible abomination born of these very ideas. The bible teaches about the essential roles of a man and a woman for example, but gnostics want to create androgynes out of everyone. It is the agenda. Fools like you cling to the ridiculous idea that when the anti-christ comes HE will somehow spare your mortal life. Get back to indulging in mass media and new age shit because you're no better than the average hippie.
>>76037748
You wouldn't believe what you believed if you thought it were wrong, bong.
>>76029305
>Today's Mass
You know how disturbing that practice is ? You literally pretend you're eating Christ's flesh. He meant it a symbolic way.
You're just doing a bizarre pagan ritual with a name change. Just like your Mary, which you call the "queen of heaven". The bible mentions a person who was called that way:
Jeremiah 7:18 "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
Not even mentioning Christmas and Easter and the pagan connections from Rome. Do you even know that your "church" took the statue of Jupiter and renamed it to St.Peter ?
>>76037784
Peace on earth*
>>76037784
When you start saying things like "The Light of Daath" you're an edgelord.
>>76037966
I didnt say that it was the other guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-XqAHZiDRo
A fun video with cool stuff in the bible.
>>76037883
>You know how disturbing that practice is ? You literally pretend you're eating Christ's flesh. He meant it a symbolic way.
A symbolic and spiritual way. There's nothing wrong with taking communion anon.
Wandering in from cripplechan. The LARPagans have pretty much killed that place, lately.
>>76038022
Oh I know, I was just agreeing with you on the edgelord thing.
>>76038106
>>76037784
Just an edgelord. Calm down. I'm actually a Christian playing devil's advocate.
>>76038053
They literally believe they call down Christ and sacrifice him again, and then eat his flesh.
How is that not disturbing ?
>>76038289
What would you suggest?
Hey everyone! Are you ready for us tomorrow in the morning? 9am Pacific Standard?
>>76029305
>being on /pol/
>worshipping a dead Jew
Are you people retarded?
>>76038098
Welcome
>>76038470
Wait what?
>>76038289
That is not what we believe at all anon.
>>76038371
Not participate in abominable practices, why would one want to invoke God's wrath.
>>76038590
Catholics believe in transubstatiation.
>>76038837
In the sense that they spiritually transform into the body and blood of Christ.
This idea that Jesus is brought down and sacrificed again is utter nonsense. Because the body and blood of Jesus which the disciples ate and drank was there before Jesus was actually crucified.
It's spiritual you see.
>>76033748
anything that is known is a man-made creation. to live in accordance with ideas is to turn away from God.
one cannot know God. one only experiences God, and falls into alignment, or surrender, or grace.
any intellectual posturing without genuinely coming into Him is a waste of time
>>76038552
>>76038552
I am here to praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his father, Jehovah God. They plan on wiping this earth clean and restoring the paradise earth Adam and Eve forfeited. Would you like to be a part of that world, anon?
>>76039250
I just thought by 9 am pacific time you meant that the JWs had noticed us and were planning to raid us at that time.
Which would be pretty hilarious desu
>>76039250
You're not a JW.
>>76039161
>>76039161
>one cannot know God.
(1 John 5:20) But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
>>76039105
They don't spiritually transform, they actually transform. It's just that from all external appearances, they are merely bread and wine, but they are actually the literal body and blood of Christ.
I realize this doublethink is hard to accept, but I didn't write the Catholic doctrine.
>>76039793
Do you believe Jesus is God?
>>76040127
Even if it does actually transform while maintaining its appearance, I am absolutely fine with that.
>>76039500
>>76039500
Nah, we don't do raids. We do campaigns. Our next campaign is the Regional Assemblies. You have probably received an invitation to one...or not.
>>76039250
NO
Anyone wanting to bring us into a "New Eden" is either delusional or deliberately invoking the anti-christ. Mortal humans are bound to the flesh, bound to sin the moment they are born, will never achieve immortality and are not able to judge themselves on earth (satan's domain). Christ has already died for our sins here on earth because we ARE sinful by nature. These are secret society-tier lies.
>>76040245
If I show you a cube, but I tell you it's actually a sphere despite having six square faces, would you be fine with that? Or would you call me delusional?
>>76039793
so what does that mean to you personally? would our respective God-given individual natures not have us describe God in different ways, fragmenting the idea of God? Surely we can discern the idea of God verses God Himself, so how can one "know"? Would this not simply make for a nationalism of consciousness? How can God be precisely articulated using human language?
what man knows God?
>>76040510
https://churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/
>>76040164
>>76040164
No
>“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
>“There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 295.
>“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”— The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299
>“The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are Greek philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible (New York, 1965), p. 899.
>>76040321
>We do campaigns
Okay, are you going to be "campaigning" with friends in our threads later?
>>76040701
Thoughts on this scripture about the Messiah?
Isaiah 9;6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
>>76040669
another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RUvrSu6_CQ
>>76040814
>>76040814
If you mean like religiously trolling you, no. As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one.
>>76041129
The concept of "god" is not reserved neither for Jesus nor Jehovah God. Many would have you believe that "god" outside Jesus and Jehovah is always a false god. No, this is a false dilemma.
The Bible teaches that anything with mighty god-like power OR divine authority OR both is "god."
Why is Jesus mighty God? Jesus explained this himself.
>(John 10:34-38) Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “YOU are gods”’? 35If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, 36do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?
Jesus is referring to these "gods."
>(Psalm 82:6) “I myself have said, ‘YOU are gods, And all of YOU are sons of the Most High.
>(Exodus 7:1, 2) Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: “See, I have made you God to Phar′aoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. 2You—you will speak all that I shall command you; and Aaron your brother will do the speaking to Phar′aoh, and he must send the sons of Israel away from his land.
>(Exodus 4:16) And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him.
These up above is the Judges from the books "Judges" and Moses up above. According to the OT and Jesus they are titled "gods." That's why Jesus is a Mighty God. He is just as much of a god as Moses and Judges are. Jesus himself confirmed it up above.
>>76040669
Well, that buzzfeed-tier site sure convinced me, what with its stunning scientific rigor.
>>76042141
The Prophecies of Isaiah are extremely literal.
When Isaiah writes that he shall be called "Mighty God" and "Prince of Peace" he's not saying that they will wrongly call him that.
Furthermore, if Jesus was not God, he would have stopped his disciples from worshiping him.
As Paul did when someone tried to worship him.
Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
>>76042269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RUvrSu6_CQ
>>76042570
>The Prophecies of Isaiah are extremely literal.
>When Isaiah writes that he shall be called "Mighty God" and "Prince of Peace" he's not saying that they will wrongly call him that.
I agree, however the concept of Jesus being a God like Moses and the Judges doesn't stop there. It goes farther. Jesus is also NATURALLY a god. This is supported here.
Angels are gods
>(Psalm 8:5) You also proceeded to make him a little less than godlike ones, And with glory and splendor you then crowned him.
>(Hebrews 2:7) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands.
Demons are gods/deities
>The word demon is Greek for Daimonion. It means "deity" in Greek. The Greeks called their "Gods" Theos. They believed that those Theos had children, inferior gods not worthy of worship. They called those inferior gods "daimonians." Paul adopted that word and coined it to mean wicked angels. So when we call wicked angels "demons" we are really saying deities. That is what Paul wanted us to think, that wicked angels are deities. Inferior gods not worthy of worship.
Satan is a god
>(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.
This is why Jehovah is the God of gods
>(Deuteronomy 10:17) For Jehovah YOUR God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty and fear-inspiring, who treats none with partiality nor accepts a bribe,
>(Psalm 82:1) God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges:
>(Psalm 136:2) Give thanks to the God of the gods: For his loving-kindness is to time indefinite;
That's why Jesus is a MIGHTY God literally and figuratively. In heaven, he is a god like angels and demons. On earth like Moses and judges.
Conflicted anon here, I believe in the spiritual and a higher intelligence--all it takes is a look out your window. I don't know if I believe Jesus was the son of God
still think he was an influential prophet for God and important nonetheless.
Who's got more?
>>76043233
>Angels are gods
That's ridiculous
There are no gods but God. If a Holy Prophet says "God" then he is talking, quite literally about God.
>John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
and the WORD BECAME FLESH.
>>76044011
>still think he was an influential prophet for God and important nonetheless.
You're taking the first steps and if you are seeing God with all your heart and soul then God will not abandon you, he will guide you.
That's spiritual law. The law of God is that anyone who seeks him truly WILL find him.
As for understanding that Jesus was the Christ, you first have to understand the nature of sin itself, and the law of redemption which Jesus brought about on the cross.
>>76044011
>>76044011
You're doing pretty good so far. You atleast acknowledge the obvious creation around you. Unlike certain people:
>(Psalm 14:1) The senseless one has said in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.”
>(Psalm 10:4) The wicked one according to his superciliousness makes no search; All his ideas are: “There is no God.”
So why the doubt? What prevents you from knowing God and coming to a relationship with him?
>>76044437
Answer that question yourself maybe. Why believe in Christ and not some other accounts?
>>76044011
You should read Matthew if you can. Or maybe watch Jesus of Nazareth
>>76044437
Not sure, I can't say if it's being hesitant to, or that if I do devote myself--I will be let down in some way. It's strange that this thread was posted at this time---just got home from work where a preacher in another part of the state was visiting and came into my store and confronted me
long story short, he offered me a prayer at the same time I was thinking about the afterlife / spiritual earlier that day.
so in 24 hours, some serious shit has went down and had to post on this thread. I live in the south so there's a church always nearby, lol--I might stop by one this Sunday I think.
>>76031749
Where does Jesus say be Catholic?
>>76031952
Does Jesus tell us to be Catholic?
The most retarded Meme ever Op. Jump of a bridge or climb into a tigers cage at a zoo, show us this faith! After all, it's the pinnacle of human evolution! We can drive plains into buildings for it! :D
>>76044413
>>76044413
The Bible acknowledges the existence of other gods who are not the Almighty God himself. That's why the Bible once again says this:
>(1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
The Bible teaches that there are many gods. In verse 5 above it mentions "whether in heaven" which means there are those who are called "gods" in heaven. Since there can be no false gods in heaven this leaves only one conclusion. That Jesus, the Angels, Demons and Satan are those gods.
>>John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
I want you to look at this link of over 70 Bible translations.
>http://simplebibletruths.net/70-John-1-1-Truths.htm
Besides the New World Translation, all these non-JW Bibles translate John 1:1 as "a god," "the word was divine," "the word was godlike."
Why all the "blasphemy"? Because the original Koine Greek language was like that.
This is the Koine Greek original
>kαὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
This is the hyper-literal translation
>kai the·os′ en ho lo′gos
This is the translation
>kai(AND) the·os′(GOD) en(WAS) ho(THE) lo′gos(WORD).
What you need to understand is two things. First, Koine Greek had no lowercase words. It was all capital as seen above. Second, Koine Greek has only the definite article(the) but no indefinite articles(a/an).
So how does one tell the difference between God and god? Because God in the Greek Scriptures is always ho'theos(THE GOD) and any generic god is always theos. In John 1:1 Jehovah is translated in the same verse with Jesus as ho'theos(THE GOD) while Jesus is just theos(GOD.)
>>76045591
Matthew 16:18
God can't be proven or disproven, anyone debating what book or way is better or worse should kill themselves. They're all just books written by men and woman as a person's interpretation on the subjective. It is the highest point of stupidity, pulling the trigger and killing yourself is actually a high point within that spectrum.
>>76040666
did you not answer me because of my trips
lol
>>76045747
>Jump of a bridge or climb into a tigers cage at a zoo,
This is pretty much one of the sentences the devil said to Jesus. And yet you don't think the Bible teaches us about evil? lmao
You are deceived by the master of lies
>>76045858
In no world does that verse tell every person on earth to listen to Peter, and thereafter everyone who claims/is claimed to come after Peter in a made-up succession game.
>>76045990
I can prove to you that higher dimensions are scientifically possible. Meaning it is possible that entities from those higher dimensions could have communicated with those on the 3rd dimension.
If this is true, then God is certainly a possibility to consider. A Source of all creation.
>>76045990
Or they're not and you're wrong about everything you've ever thought. That's a possibility too. Why should anyone take your opinion more seriously than their own?
qkVcCcae Troll is obvious, ether Troll or mentally retarded. I will not reciprocate.
Psudo science and the mentally Ill. Please kill yourself.
Honestly, Christian threads are why I come to /pol/. Bless you brothers for making these.
>>76046146
lmao, it literally does, stay mad
>>76045747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0uFb75wpkE
>>76046448
You're welcome anytime Germanbro
>>76046615
It's not words of prophecy and encouragement for Peter to go out and minister. Not at all. Heaven forbid Christ meant that - it would undermine everything you believe.
It's pretty sad when your entire belief system is posed around one verse easily and reasonably interpreted in a completely unfavorable way to that belief system.
Ja ne~
>>76045747
>(Matthew 16:4) A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jo′nah.” With that he went away, leaving them behind.
>(Matthew 4:7) Jesus said to him: “Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
>>76045458
>Not sure, I can't say if it's being hesitant to, or that if I do devote myself--I will be let down in some way.
Doubt and disappointment. This is to be expected. Even God's greatest servants experienced this.
>(Proverbs 13:12) Expectation postponed is making the heart sick,[...]
>(Psalm 69:3) I have become tired by my calling out; My throat has become hoarse. My eyes have failed while waiting for my God.
>(Psalm 22:2) O my God, I keep calling by day, and you do not answer;[...]
This is what you need to do. You need to meditate and ask yourself why do you want to know God? What are you expecting? What would you like your Goals to be?
If you are going in for miraculous cures, for money, for girls, pleasures, you will be in for disappointment. You want that, go to the devils world outside. There you will find your empty hedonism.
This is what you need to keep in mind:
>(1 Corinthians 2:14, 15) But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. 15However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.
This is why athiest will never come to know God. They focus on the physical while focusing on God is about the spiritual.
>>76046901
What exactly do you think Peter was doing in Rome?
>>76047124
Ministering. Just like people are doing in Japan right now. Or Brazil. Or Taiwan. Or Korea. Or Nicaragua. Or Belize. Or Chile. Or virtually anywhere else on the planet.
>>76029305
What do my Christian bros of this board feel of the Kek phenomenon?
>>76046901
>It's pretty sad when your entire belief system is posed around one verse easily
First of all, a verse or a thousand does not matter. The Word of God does not need to be repeated a thousand times to constitute truth, how dare you!
> reasonably interpreted in a completely unfavorable way to that belief system.
There is nothing reasonable in your interpretation, it is a child or rebellion, individualism, pride in your ability to understand the Words of our Lord even though you are a 2016 NEET.
The Bible, not only in this verse, the Church Fathers, the examples of virtues of Catholic saints, the prophecies of Catholic mystics that came true, the continually recurring miracles of the True Faith in the True Living God, the countless gifts our Lord has given us (like the Rosary for example), the real presence in the liturgy etc. etc. etc. You have no idea my friend. There is no religion more true and self-evident than the Catholic Faith.
>>76047098
so it's a surrendering of whatever plan we have for ourselves and a sinking into alignment, where we are orchestrated in the best way possible, yes?
that's surrender?
>>76047272
That's exactly true. But it was Peter who Jesus said was the foundation for the Church
"Upon this rock I will build my church"
He was re-named Peter because the name Peter means "Rock or Foundation"
Peter went and set up Bishops in Antioch and Alexandria, and then he went to Rome.
and when he died those Bishops elected a new leader.
and because of Peter, Christianity flourished and spread all across Europe.
>>76047421
>there is nothing reasonable in your interpretation
Really? What part of it is inconsistent with the words Christ spoke?
>>76047728
everything
>>76047409
It's my opinion that kek actually does have historical and is probably a manifestation of some demonic entity.
Pic related gives a very accurate description, it's from the illuminati card game in the early 1990s
>>76029305
>rosary
I think you mean Catholic general. Christians don't pray to dead humans.
>>76047710
Yes, and Peter - being essentially the first one after Christ to go out and minister - was proverbially like "the rock" of his name. The first stone. But a stone like any other.
>>76029305
Just got registered for classes this fall at a Catholic university today. Should be fun since I am Orthodox.
>>76047855
Christians pray to jesus, he's a dead human.
Fucking retard
>>76047855
> Christians don't pray to dead humans.
Mary isn't dead, she is with Christ in heaven
>>76047791
So you take issue with "and", "for", "out", "that", among others.
What's wrong with "for", then?
>>76047917
so why don't you register at an Orthodox one?
>>76048040
>weaaboo
that explains everything
>>76047710
>implying James wasn't the leader of the Church that was founded and established in Jerusalem.
>implying after Constantine moved the Roman capital to Constantinople, that the Church didn't go with him
>implying afterwards, the Roman church wasn't just a bunch of political leaders who refused to move to Constantinople, so they created their own branch of Christianity claiming they are the "head" of the church
>>76046313
Good job. Your taste in bait is more refined than mine.
>>76048109
There's no Orthodox universities here. I'd have to travel across the country just to go to seminary.
>>76047902
Until you realize that Apostolic succession is true.
Because since Peter has the authority as the foundation of the Church, then the Bishops he appointed would therefore also be legitimate, and any successor they elect would also have this same legitimacy.
Apostolic Succession is Biblical as well.
Acts 1:21-26
>>76048253
Forgot to post the verses
>Acts 1:21-26
Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
>>76048003
>praying to and worshipping Mary
>"We don't worship Mary! Hail Mary full of grace..."
>prays repetitive chants and prayers like a heathen
>>76047920
*tips fedora*
Is it sinful to date a non-christian? I converted my atheist girlfriend last week but I feel she could turn away from it an any point.
>>76048253
And what would make me "realize apostolic succession is true"...?
Because as it stands it just looks like the longest running pyramid scheme in history to me.
>>76047842
Does posting Kek count as witchcraft?
>>76048207
Got it. Hopefully they will change your mind then :)
>>76048170
nice fan-fiction
>St. Theodore the Studite of Constantinople (759-826) Writing to Pope Leo III: "Hear, O Apostolic Head, divinely-appointed Shepherd of Christ's sheep, keybearer of the Kingdom of Heaven, Rock of the Faith upon whom the Catholic Church is built. For Peter art thou, who adornest and governest the Chair of Peter. Hither, then, from the West, imitator of Christ, arise and repel not for ever (Ps. xliii. 23). To thee spake Christ our Lord: 'And thou being one day converted, shalt strengthen thy brethren.' Behold the hour and the place. Help us, thou that art set by God for this. Stretch forth thy hand so far as thou canst. Thou hast strength with God, through being the first of all. (Letter of St. Theodore and four other Abbots to Pope Paschal, Bk. ii Ep. 12, Patr. Graec. 99, 1152-3)
>>76048170
>Believing that Orthodox originally wanted Constantinople to be recognized as the first seat of the Church, and not the 2nd.
>Believing that political rivalries didn't escalate tensions more than theological disagreements did.
I'm not anti-orthodoxy though. It's not like Orthodox is heretical.
>>76047917
Catholic colleges are degenerate.
t. Xavier alum.
>>76048315
>Is it sinful to date a non-christian? I converted my atheist girlfriend last week but I feel she could turn away from it an any point.
You can easily talk to her about God, but be as friendly as possible and encourage her yourself.
I actually recommend having her watch this pic related movie with you.
If she's smart at all she'll see the implications and it'll make her more curious about God.
>>76048253
>>76048328
>>76047902
I think it was Jesus that referred to himself as the Rock upon which the church was built. and then Peter, petros, was the little rock, or second stone. Right?
>>76048328
Because Apostolic Succession is Biblical.
Matthias was elected to replace Judas.
>>76048299
>>praying to and worshipping Mary
we don't worship her, we just ask her to pray for us
>>"We don't worship Mary! Hail Mary full of grace..."
Hail Mary full of grace is literally in the Bible, it's what the angel says to her when he greets her. lmao
>>prays repetitive chants and prayers like a heathen
Every prayer is said with awareness and feeling. The important word in that verse is "vain". Heathen's prayers are vain because they are to false gods, not just because they are repeated
>>76048381
I think it's idolatry to say things like "Praise Kek".
>>76048575
Post-Christ.
Which is men making practices for men.
If Christ had done that Himself I might be more likely to give ear to that, but He didn't.
>>76029305
Can someone please explain to me why there are so many branches of Christianity? Such as Protestant, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Evangelical, Pentecostal, Methodist, Baptism, etc. What makes each of these branches different? Generally curious.
>>76048390
Kate was a total bae in that game.
>>76048536
Should I post my pasta again?
>>76048536
Read the verse. It's Matthew 16:18.
>>76048536
Matthew 16:18-19
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
>>76048527
I'll give it a look, thanks anon
>>76048649
You're basically showing your willingness to ignore biblical scripture then.
There's not much more for me to say.
>>76048651
Too many things to recount in my next 5 minutes here. Most of them are minor between Protestants, sort of big gaps between Protestants and Catholics, and then you have the idiot predeterminists being idiots in a corner by themselves.
>>76048651
The Catholic Church and Orthodox Church are the ones that have apostolic succession (and a couple others that I won't mention because I feel lazy). They had a schism based 99% on politics rather than theology in 1054. In the 1500s Luther went full retard and so Protestantism was born. Protestants don't have apostolic succession, that is, their ministers are not appointed by past ones and date back all the way to the Apostles. From them you can see thousands of denominations growing because, not having a tradition to interpret Scripture the right way, they all come with their own interpretation.
>>76029305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rarRiqWH8v4
If there's something strange
In you neighborhood
Who you gonna call
Ghostbusters
If there's something weird
And it don't look good
Who you gonna call
Ghostbusters
I ain't afraid of no ghost
I ain't afraid of no ghost
If you're seeing things
Running through your head
Who can you call
Ghostbusters
An invisible man
Sleeping in your bed
Oh, who you gonna call
Ghostbusters
I ain't afraid of no ghost
I ain't afraid of no ghost
Who you gonna call
Ghostbusters
If you're all alone
Pick up the phone
And call
Ghostbusters
I ain't afraid of no ghost
I hear it likes the girls
I ain't afraid of no ghost
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Who ya gonna call
Ghostbusters
>>76048390
Fun fact my best friend looks EXACTLY like that.
>>76048815
You can basically tell her it's about this guy who's obsessed with Pi.
Which is true.
I'm on John 4. Started reading the bible two nights ago. More like listening to it. Spoken word but I follow along.
Started with gospel of John.
fuck niggers and kikes!
The only reason you're a christian is because you were born one or a christian helped you through your emotional/psychological failings (like AA).
What rational do you have for continuing to blindly believe in doctrine without evidence?
>>76048828
I'm willing to not take sinful men like myself as seriously as I take the spoken Words of my God, that's for certain.
You tell me I should, and my question is "why"?
>>76048612
You guys have no concept of any context in the Bible. Your apocrypha and superstitious rituals are heretical.
"And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking."
>>76048794
>>76048794
>>76048794
>>76048794
Anyone have an answer to this?
FUCK I'M SO SORRY
I'M SO SORRY I LEFT THE CHURCH 6 YEARS AGO AND BECAME A FEDORA TIPPER
LIFE WAS SHIT
I MISSED YOU LORD!!!!
>>76048923
You are right that I was born a Christian, bu
>>76048955
>You guys have no concept of any context in the Bible. Your apocrypha and superstitious rituals are heretical.
lmao, the pot calling the kettle black
>>76047667
>>76047667
>>76047667
>so it's a surrendering of whatever plan we have for ourselves and a sinking into alignment
Whatever plans you have for yourself are meaningless.
(Matthew 6:27) Who of YOU by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span?
It won't accumulate into anything. You will still grow old and die. All that you can accomplish will be taken away from you by someone who didn't deserve it.
>(Luke 12:15) Then he said to them: “Keep YOUR eyes open and guard against every sort of covetousness, because even when a person has an abundance his life does not result from the things he possesses.
>(1 Timothy 6:7) For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out.
>(Job 1:21) and say: “Naked I came out of my mother’s belly, And naked shall I return there. Jehovah himself has given, and Jehovah himself has taken away. Let the name of Jehovah continue to be blessed.”
>(Psalm 49:17) For at his death he cannot take along anything at all; His glory will not go down along with him himself.
>>76048923
You are right that I was born a Christian, but I takes more than that
how about this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yQ2KISPG20
>>76049020
it's ok anon
>>76048935
Because though the Apostles were flawed men, they were also the Founders of the Church who brought all of Europa to Christianity.
"Whatever you bind in heaven" this is something that is true, and since Peter is the rock upon which the Church is built, the Apostles have much legitimacy in what they did.
Which is why it is chronicled in the Bible for everyone to read in the first place.
Because if what you are saying is true, then Matthias is not an Apostle even though the scriptures say he is.
>>76049208
daaaaw
>>76049020
Welcome Trumpeter! I love you in the Trump threads by the way.
Here, watch this, it'll cheer you up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCbJ4vnMNg
>>76048923
I was born christian. But I fell away into Atheism for years. I was a drug abuser so I joined AA ur right. I saw there that He helps people do what they can't do themselves.
But folks in AA are still degenerates. They literally choose whatever gods they want and go with it. And besides being sober they are just as bad as anyone else.
I came back to Christ because I saw that Christians are the only ones that do real good in this world. and that if we were to follow the bible the world really would work forever. This is unlike any other governing system, which all eventually crumble.
I can't wait to go to church again...
I realized that after 6 years of my life being utter shit, and having suicidal thoughts because I thought life was pointless, that God was always with me. FUCK WHY DID I STRAY
>>76049073
>apocrypha considered canonical in the catholic bible
>"thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" edited out of the catholic bible
>superstitious prayers
>praying to Mary and patron saints like patron gods
You should leave you heretical "church" and become a true Christian while there's still time.
>>76049111
>>76049436
But what reason do you have for believing the bible is true? Right now you only worship the holy trinity because your parents weren't Muslims or Jews.
>>76049445
No one is perfect anon
>>76049688
That's not actually true. I was Atheist.
I looked into all kinds of religion.
Everyone makes their own decisions.
>>76049280
>Because though the Apostles were flawed men, they were also the Founders of the Church who brought all of Europa to Christianity
Yes, I believe that's probably true.
>the Apostles have much legitimacy in what they did
I think anyone who ministers for Christ is legitimate in doing so. I don't see a reason to think just because people were among the first to do so that they're uniquely special outside that happenstance of chronological fact. They're chronicled in the Bible because they/the people after them were the ones who put it together, and including a bit of history isn't a *bad* idea. I don't object to any books in the Bible being there. I'm just not obligated to take men as seriously as I take God. I *WON'T* do that - it would be blasphemous to do so. They're not worthy of such, nor is any man.
Any person who is saved in Christ is an apostle of Christ - we're just not speaking about the "original" apostles in that acknowledgment. So I'm not denying any Christian is an apostle, I'm objecting to the practices of men being laid down as if they were the law of God. I find it absolutely hackle-raising that people find that acceptable.
I have to go to bed here though - you can find me in another thread some time if you'd like.
Peace.
>>76044873
>>76044873
Because Christ was reasonable and practical. All the others are either extreme, animals, or lunatics. Lets not get started on the Rabbis, Muhammed was a pedophile and warlord, Buddha was pretty spiritual, peaceful, but rejected the pleasures of life as "evil."
Jesus enjoyed nice things like wine, parties, and get-togethers. He enjoyed hiking and good food. He didn't reject a lady from pour expensive perfume on his feet, a luxury back then.
Jesus is the most practical example of all time. Nobody could ever measure up to him.
>>76049551
>>apocrypha considered canonical in the catholic bible
Again, you take the word of the Pharisees regarding this. No other apostolic Church considers those books aprocrypha
>>"thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" edited out of the catholic bible
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues
>>praying to Mary and patron saints like patron gods
We don't pray to them, we ask for their intercession, we ask them to pray for us
>You should leave you heretical "church"
My Church was founded in 33AD, not in 1500 like yours, call me heretical all you want it won't change the truth. lmao.
>>76049776
Tons of people can be described as "reasonable and practical" who spout mostly horse-shit.
Anyway, goodnight.
>>76049445
>church
The body is the only true temple of God. These false structures are the dwellings of sinful idolaters and heretics.
AAAhioia, another day, another Christian thread.
[] No obsessed obligations intended []
>>76049445
Fear not the void, child. It is not the emptiness of slumber, but the emptiness of unlife. If you can no longer enjoy life, hesitate not to vacate. The void welcomes all in their time.
>>76049925
yeah church is pretty gay with some phony ass people
>>76049982
so i should kms?
>>76050036
what denomination are you, anon?
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>76050036
People are pretty gay.
The nice thing to me about Catholic Churches though is that you can go there and pray without anyone bothering you.
I'll just leave this here.
>>76049925
EVEN THE JOOS HAD TEMPLES
AND JESUS FLIPPED OVER THEIR TABLES
WHEN THEY WERE DOING BUSINESS IN
GOD'S HOUSE
>>76050036
>so i should kms?
If your life is miserable and you don't have the motivation and strength of character to improve it, by all means. There is no evidence of heaven or hell. Suicide is simply choosing not to be.
I was thinking of this before. Da Christian State of Jerusalem and Cana
This is like being drawn into the video and becoming this little worthy flame of power.
If not watching the pictures anymore after a minute.
Like this kiddy and like being drawn into this other culture from where grown up in. Less worrisome and it seems utopian.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtqy2AHlXQVBDa5u6UXrT_wlLSMpJPQdf
This is more like: hopefully he' ll get his sword, preferably a wooden one and gets arrested in the streets for swaying it around too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZVEgtc0HEI
>>76045575
Because you, as the usual heretic protestant, were there with the Lord to know the exact doctrine. The Lord was not together with those apostles who -founded- the Only One Church, the Catholicism (means universal btw), yeah right.
I would rather trust tradition AND scripture rather than believing my God is made of pages from an English translated bible, as if the book existed before God.
>>76050303
Don't listen to this faggot.
>>76050435
based Vietnam
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>76050549
>>76050435
oops, I meant Hong Kong
>>76048863
>>76048870
Interesting. I've been wanting to get a bible lately but i'm stuck on what translation to get. I hear KJV is written beautifully but that there's errors in the translations. What would be best recommended for someone who never stepped foot inside a church?
>>76049020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u_BohE4Ze8
welcome back
>>76050590
KJV is nice, but protestants have removed some books from the Old Testament because Luther didn't like them.
This is the Catholic one in english that I think is supposed to be good:
http://www.drbo.org/
>>76050166
used to be catholic
became a fedora tipper 6 years ago
looking at God again
>>76050614
>>76050459
Thank you! I feel as if He has given me signs to direct me towards him again, once I hit rock bottom (lost all friends and job). I started to become more loving to my family and realized that God was the person who kept me sane and happy so long ago.
>>76050590
>>76050590
>>76050590
The New World Translation. The most accurate to the original languages as possible and the least bias. It is published by Jehovah's Witnesses. It sticks to the original languages while abandoning Bible translation. This is very good. It is also a study Bible with references to relating verses that help explaing other verses. It is available from Jehovah's Witnesses and also as an app on your smartphone as JW Library. It is also available on line as well.
>>76050727
>I feel as if He has given me signs to direct me towards him again, once I hit rock bottom (lost all friends and job). I started to become more loving to my family and realized that God was the person who kept me sane and happy so long ago.
I had a similar experience. When we lose all the superfluous things in life we realise what is essential. Jesus is the most essential thing in our lives.
Also He is always there with us, even when we don't feel it.
>>76050590
Stay away from Jehovah witnesses, they are a cult invented by some american I think
>>76050727
A Christian life isn't always easy my friend.
But God is always there to help us even in the worst times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsxF1yBfegg
>>76050791
>New World Translation
>Replace "God" or "The Lord" with "Jehovah" in every sentence.
>most accurate
>>76050459
>>76050942
You, with the cute anime nuns.
What rational do you have for continuing to believe in doctrine without evidence?
>>76031197
Chest lasers.
>>76050590
Don't listen to anyone else. Read the kjv. No errors have been proven ever. Also, Apocrapha is written by autistic devil possessed satanists. (Except some of the books, which, while they are not canon, they do provide important history-and are generally trust-worthy. Just not inspired)
>>76051003
faith
cosy feelings
and seeing some shit
>>76051003
There is clear evidence of higher dimensions in science.
There are also clear signs that Globalists are working to form a World Government to overtake the people of the world today.
This was told by Jesus and the Prophets, that there would be world government and that it would be evil.
>>76050978
>>76050978
>>76050978
>>Replace "God" or "The Lord" with "Jehovah" in every sentence.
Translation over Tradition. The original manuscripts of Hebrew, especially the Dead Sea Scrolls, all use the Hebrew Tetragrammaton as God's name. Not "Lord" or "LORD." Old fragments of the Septuagint(Greek translation of the OT/NT) show God's name wherever a speaker quoted the OT verse that had God's name in it.
It was the KJV TRADITION to replace God's name with Lord. Not Bible accuracy.
You want ACCURATE knowledge go to the NWT. You want TRADITION go to the KJV.
I feel being anointed in the catholic and protestant church. The catholic church has its basic things in this area. The protestant church for being of the Darbists. To coyly say.
Pentecostal as well.
>>76050590
KJV is literally the only way to go.
Join my church, the church of Tony Abbott!
>>76051140
>Read the kjv. No errors have been proven ever.
lmao, there are many translation errors in the KJV. One example I know of:
>1 Corinthians 1:18
KJV translates something as "are saved" instead of "are being saved"
>Apocrapha is written by autistic devil possessed satanists
wow, careful with that edge
>>76050865
Indeed.
>>76050942
thanks
>>76051003
man when i was in my fedora stage I rationed that we live in the fucking matrix
if i can believe that we live in a simulated reality, I can believe in God
>>76051203
>There is clear evidence of higher dimensions in science.
So dark matter, dark energy and quantum physics are the result of Heaven and/or Hell affecting the mortal realm?
>This was told by Jesus and the Prophets, that there would be world government and that it would be evil.
The Romans were trying to conquer the world in Jesus' time. It's a hell of an open-ended prophecy that isn't really analogous to shady billionaires advocating secular global governance.
>>76051204
Hey faggot. Word means the same thing. Nobody cares about Jehova (or is it Yahweh, that's how Hebrews sAy it. Should we translate it that way? Isn't doing otherwise emphasizing tradition?)
As it has no meaning to English people. THE LORD (all caps) does.
>>76029305
POLITICS
>>76051204
>KJV tradition
The Hebrew texts also use Elohim (God) and Adonai (Lord) too, while JHWH is also present.
Also, even if this was true what difference would it make if there's only one God?
>>76051509
Are saved. Indicates an action, either current or in the past. If I say "By chemotherapy are you healed from cancer" is that inaccurate since cancer healing is a long process? By your logic it is.
>>76051196
>>faith
>cosy feelings
>and seeing some shit
So it's primarily a coping method?
>>76051543
>>if i can believe that we live in a simulated reality, I can believe in God
That is no way to justify a spiritual reawakening.
>>76051757
>So it's primarily a coping method?
some use drugs
some use music
etc
i believe in God + my sould is saved by Jesus
win win
>>76050683
>protestants have removed some books from the Old Testament because Luther didn't like them.
False. Luther didn't remove the apocrypha, the reformed did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible
>>76051747
KJV is literally the only translation to translate it like that. Also the original greek word implies an unfinished action that extends itself through time
>>76034038
The modern equivalent of this would be whites flying off into space in the ark 2.0 as the dindus, mudslimes and tumblrite sinners trample each other in an attempt to climb aboard.
>>76051972
where did the reformed views come from? Luther
>>76052048
No. Reformed views comes from Calvin and Zwingli among others.
>>76051988
>KJV is literally the only translation to translate it that way
Not an argument
I just showed you how it still means the same thing.
>le original Greek
I love this meme. The "original" Greek doesn't exist. What are you even talking about?
>>76052106
well, that's even worse then. Who the fuck is Calvin to say what is apocrypha and what not? You are following man-made ideas instead of the Will of God. Repent!
>>76051552
>So dark matter, dark energy and quantum physics are the result of Heaven and/or Hell affecting the mortal realm?
Not only that but chaos math and string theory.
In the Hebrew language the word for Garden of Eden is "גַן עֶדֶן" and the word for Tree of Knowledge is "עץ הדעת"
עץ הדעת = 233
144 = גַן עֶדֶן
If you divide those numbers you get Theta θ
Theta is the result of the Fibonacci equation. The sequence for the Golden Ratio that Pythagoras came up with.
>>76052158
I'm not Calvinist, nor did I ever imply I was one.
>>76052158
Why do nearly all of the earliest manuscripts contain no Apocrapha? Why don't the Hebrew Scriptures contain the Apocrapha? Why did Jesus affirm literally every book of the Bible except the Apocrapha? Was Jesus wrong?
>>76029305
I'm thinking about acting christian to get a christian gf. I'm sick of dating whores. What protips do you have for someone in my situation?
>>76052169
1. The golden ratio is represented by Phi, not Theta.
2. 233/144 ≠ (1+√5)/2
That the numbers are even close is pure coincidence.
>>76052607
repent and accept Christ as lord and seviour
then ask for a gf
>>76052151
>Not an argument
it is actually
>I just showed you how it still means the same thing.
no it doesn't. The theological implications for that difference in translation are very big.
>The "original" Greek doesn't exist. What are you even talking about?
u wot m8? You think the Bible was written in English? From which language do you think it was translated into English? Are you retarded?
>>76052232
my bad then anon, I apologize
>>76052301
>Why do nearly all of the earliest manuscripts contain no Apocrapha?
wrong. The Septuagint includes them
>Why don't the Hebrew Scriptures contain the Apocrapha?
Because those "apocrypha" made an even bigger case for Jesus being the Messiah and the jews breaking the covenant. They are Pharisees and you follow their doctrines, good for you I guess.
>Why did Jesus affirm literally every book of the Bible except the Apocrapha?
What is that even supposed to mean?
> Was Jesus wrong?
Nice begging the question. I never implied he was
>>76052651
>That the numbers are even close is pure coincidence.
ofc, like everything
>>76052607
I suggest being genuine and exploring the possibility of God with sincerity.
Work on yourself and try to find God for yourself and you will find yourself naturally encountering the women you want.
You won't be able to fake it though, because if you don't actually believe, it'll come out in a relationship one or another.
>>76052651
The result itself of 144/233 does indeed approach Theta.
It's not coincidence, it's pattern.
Hebrew word for Father is אַבָּא
אַבָּא = 3
The Hebrew word for Mother is אִמָא
אִמָא = 41
3 + 41 = 44
Now take the Hebrew word for child is יֶלֶד
יֶלֶד = 44
>>76052151
>I love this meme. The "original" Greek doesn't exist. What are you even talking about?
ebin
>>76052718
That the golden ratio applies to the universe is simply the way the universe is.
That words from hebrew mythology can somehow be interpreted into numbers and line up with part of the fibonacci sequence is coincidence.
>>76050367
How do protestant Christians here think of this? It is something to people. Ave Maria is not a name with protestants. Because of e.g. Lourdes God does seem to show Himself by Mary.
>>76052987
>>The result itself of 144/233 does indeed approach Theta.
No, it clearly does not. It approaches Phi. The more you perpetrate this falsehood the more it hurts your argument.
>>76052158
Luther decided those texts to be added as an Apocrypha, because they were found in the Greek Septaugint, but not in the Hebrew Masoretic texts
>>76052715
You're totally missing my point, pizza. I know the original Greek writings existed at one point. They don't exist anymore. Only translations of the originals. As for your other "point", my whole faith in the canon of the bible rests on what books Jesus affirmed. He affirmed the law, the prophets, David, Moses, etc. never affirmed or quoted apocryphal books. Septuagint wasn't used by Jesus. That's a myth. Also, if Hebrews wanted to debunk Messiah prophecies they did a poor job, considering they forgot to remove LITERALLY EVERY PROPHECY JESUS AND THE EARLY CHRISTIANS POINTED TO. (Psalms, Genesis, Isaiah, Jerwmiah, etc
>>76052715
>>76053002
>You think the Bible was written in English?
Did my masters (religious studies-early christian heresies focus) in usa, They do actually. Folk outside academia (After they asked what did I study) almost always said to me"oh so you are reading king james". Most of them were surprised when I told I didn't read KJV, they were also surprised to learn that KJV was a translation of a translation (greek to vulgate to english)
Americans are a weird bunch, their view on religion is no exception.
>>76053230
Nevermind the fragments, the dead sea scrolls etc but do take a look at Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.
Does original letters of paul exist? No, does the copies of that letter in greek exist? absolutely
Can someone give me advice? I've been exploring the whole religious thing and i've been wanting to take the full leap into trusting God but I am having my doubts. I don't want to waste my time on something that could in the end be literally nothing. But I guess that's the whole "trust" thing? Religion isn't too big a thing nowadays (at least where I live) so I never had any real influence of God. I notice that I say to myself and friends when we bring up religion that I don't really believe in God or that i'm agnostic but I notice I would always go back to him and would pray to him when I had some sort of issue in school or something that I would want some sort of help through. Almost like he's always in the back of my mind. How do I fully embrace him and how do I know it's what I really want?
>>76053426
g2g breakthefast thoguh so soz but do take a look
>They don't exist anymore. Only translations of the originals.
ok, let's summarize. KJV was made from many translations, not even from the Greek.
Those translations that KJV used to be written, they were made from the Greek version. Now, those Greek versions of course were not the "originals", but a copy of the originals who were also in Greek, word for word.
Now you are telling that in virtue of this truth, KJV is more correct than the Greek version copied from the originals, upon which english translations were made, upon which KJV was compiled.
Are you literally retarded or are you just pretending?
>Septuagint wasn't used by Jesus
The Septuagint was a greek translation that existed before Jesus was born, you fucking idiot. Why would Jesus quote a greek translation of hebrew texts?
> if Hebrews wanted to debunk Messiah prophecies they did a poor job, considering they forgot to remove LITERALLY EVERY PROPHECY JESUS AND THE EARLY CHRISTIANS POINTED TO. (Psalms, Genesis, Isaiah, Jerwmiah, etc
Of course Pharisees coulnd't remove ancient books, they only removed the recent ones because they had been part of the established Canon for less time. If they were not canon they wouldn't have been included in the Septuagint. YOU ARE LITERALLY BELIEVING THE WORD OF PHARISEES OVER THE WORD OF CHRISTIANS
>>76053437
>>76053437
http://www.amazon.com/Trembling-Penguin-Classics-Soren-Kierkegaard/dp/0140444491/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465021854&sr=8-1&keywords=fear+and+trembling
Read it anon.
>>76051603
>>76051603
>>76051603
>Also, even if this was true what difference would it make if there's only one God?
He has a personal name and he wants it spread all over the earth. If you refuse to use it you deny God that glory and vindication that he is entitled to.
(Ezekiel 38:23) And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
>(Psalm 86:9) All the nations whom you have made will themselves come, And they will bow down before you, O Jehovah, And will give glory to your name.
>(Malachi 1:11) “For from the sun’s rising even to its setting my name will be great among the nations, and in every place sacrificial smoke will be made, a presentation will be made to my name, even a clean gift; because my name will be great among the nations,” Jehovah of armies has said.
Jesus himself declared for God's name to be known.
>(John 17:26) And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
>(Matthew 6:9) “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.
>(John 17:6) “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
>(Psalm 22:22) I will declare your name to my brothers; In the middle of the congregation I shall praise you.
>(Hebrews 2:12) as he says: “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the middle of [the] congregation I will praise you with song.”
>(Acts 15:14) Sym′e•on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.
God wants you to spread his name to all the earth. JESUS wants you to spread his fathers name and make it know.
>>76053028
>>76053202
144/233 = 0.618
Which is symbolic of the golden ratio.
This language pattern is also present in Greek, and in Latin.
There is in fact a pattern which is calculable within languages just as there are in nature. Patterns and Order in everything. Not Chaos. Not coincidence and not simply random.
There is in fact an order. There is a master equation. There is a universal order even if we have not yet discovered it, even if we are not sophisticated enough to be aware of it. There is a pattern.
Pythagoras was also a cult leader. Their main belief? The universe is made of numbers and that order in the universe can be see everywhere. In your fingerprint, in smoke, in water, in the trees.
>>76053426
Why call them the "originals" if they aren't the originals? Classic double-speak
>>76053706
It IS in the Bible, so everyone who reads it will know his name.
>>76053643
Thank you for affirming my point that Septuagint (the text you used to say the Apocrapha is scripture) wasn't used by Jesus.
>you're telling me the kjv is more valid than the Greek version
>the Greek version
>the
Which one?
>YOU ARE LITERALLY BELIEVING THE WORDS OF PHARISEES OVER THE WORDS OF CHRISTIANS
First off, what early Christian affirmed the Apocrapha? Second off, no I'm not. How many times do I have to tell you that I only trust the books and authors which were affirmed by Jesus? Don't care about what Christians believed or what Pharisees believed. I care about what God believed.
>>76051578
>>76051578
>>76051578
THE LORD is Not God's name. Lord is a title. Many people in the Bible, including demons, false gods, are called Lord. God's name is important because of this.>>76053706 It is a commandment to spread Gods name to the earth and make it know like Jesus did. God's name means "He Causes to Become." That's why it is important to separate LORD from Jehovah, Jah, Yah and Yehowah. Here's God's opinion on people hiding his name.
>Jeremiah 23:27) They are thinking of making my people forget my name by means of their dreams that they keep relating each one to the other, just as their fathers forgot my name by means of Ba′al.
Guess how Ba'al is used by the ancient apostate Israelites and the surrounding heathens? They used it as "Lord."
God hates people who want to make his name forgotten.
>>76054335
Why are you calling Him God? After all "God" is not His name, right?
>>76054203
>Thank you for affirming my point that Septuagint (the text you used to say the Apocrapha is scripture) wasn't used by Jesus.
never said that.
Either way if the Apostles used it, it clearly was good enough for them. In fact the scripture being referred to in 2 Timothy 3:16 is the Septuagint. See what it says? "ALL Scripture".
>Which one?
What do you mean which one? A copy of the original, in the same language as the original, is as good as the source text.
>First off, what early Christian affirmed the Apocrapha?
pic
>Don't care about what Christians believed or what Pharisees believed.
Lmao, does not seem like it
>I care about what God believed
THEN CARE ABOUT WHAT HE INSPIRED THE APOSTLES AND THE CHURCH FATHERS TO DO AND BELIEVE
Gotta go
>>76054335
That does not imply that he was referred to as "Jehovah" in every sentence. God is the only god, and the only LORD over us, so in my opinion you can't refer to anyone else but him by using it. Also, as I mentioned in >>76054156 everyone who reads the Bible will know his name.
>>76054601
See, you just won't point me to a Greek text that I can compare the kjv to. Sorry, but I guess kjv is more valid. Prove Jesus inspired the church fathers. Prove Paul quoted the Septuagint.
>You can't
Paul was a Pharisee. By your logic was he in a conspiracy to promote the Septuagint?
>>76054532
Because I don't have to introduce him to you. Among us JW we call him God or Jehovah. Both are used interchangeably. I don't have to convince you nor explain to you who this "Jehovah" is that I keep speaking about.
You know who hates God's name as much as Satan? The Jews. Atleast use God's name to spite the Jew. That's the only thing that the Jew can never deny you, can never take away from you, that you will always stab them with. The name of the God they have forsaken.
>(Revelation 3:9) Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.
>(Revelation 2:9) ‘I know your tribulation and poverty—but you are rich—and the blasphemy by those who say they themselves are Jews, and yet they are not but are a synagogue of Satan.
Threadly reminder that Catholicism is anti-American and that this is a Protestant nation. Catholics are just as subversive as Jews and are agents of Rome.
>>76055186
I have no problem calling God Jehova, brother. I just think it's going a little overboard to say it's a heretical sin for a Bible translation to not translate it that way literally every time it's mentioned. Jehovah is written in the KJV, just not everytime, as it is confusing to English readers. Look, I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree on. Take care brother
>>76054927
>>76054927
They won't know his name if they keep using Bibles that CENSOR God's name. That's the problem. Almost all Bibles follow the KJV tradition of censoring it all except in one verse in THE ENTIRE Bible. Psalm 83:18.
>(Psalm 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
Gods name in the original manuscripts was there over 7,000 times. The KJV tradition demands that this be reduced down to 1! RIDICULOUS!!
>>76055365
One verse is enough to get the point across. If people don't care enough to know God's name and read that verse then they don't deserve to know it anyway.
