cont from >>75890162
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>>75905022
Russia banned fedoraism
>>75905199
Russia is also third world tier
>>75905022
Fuck them indeed. But first:
1. check if they have the christian dieties i.e. light of love and truth
2. if not, then try to convert them
>>75905022
I have no idea why non-Christians focus so much on whether God exists. I mean God could exist and it could have no practical relevance to anything.
The central claim of Christanity isn't that God exists, it's that God was sent to Earth in human form in actual history, and did magic in actual history. It's a historical claim. You need to justify it using historical evidence.
This is the weak point of Christianity, because it seems totally implausible that you have to believe in magic just because a cult formed. But anti-Christians are too dumb to notice this, they're too busy arguing about whether an abstract object called God exists.
>>75905687
i have something to challenge this, you know, for the sake of discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VEQWQHYy7s
>>75905687
its bc atheists are so fearful of the unknown that they try to negate it.
prove a god exists
>>75906262
>checkmate christians
>>75906332
>le burden of proof
>>75906332
Its so cliche, but why not. By the same token, prove a god doesn't exist. Both are legitimate questions with illegitimate answers.
>>75905022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM
reposting the quantum mechanics video which debunked materialism from last thread that BTFOs atheist cucks forever
>>75906489
>le i have no argument
>>75905687
That's because atheism is a movement to completely remove the concept of god or gods from the noosphere.
If you attack Christianity solely on the basis of historicity, you are just cutting the top off of one weed.
But if you attack the concept as a whole, you attempt to pull all weeds out by their roots at once.
I don't care whether people believe in Jesus Christ as risen lord and savior or not. The only reason I push back against Christfags on this board is because /pol/ is a place for logical argument (see sticky), and Christfags don't submit any of their premises to rational test, so they just don't belong here.
Find somewhere else to be, faggots.
>>75906573
he's got a whole playlist on that
>>75906542
I feel shitty for only linking so many videos but this is related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9GXI_9DXF0
>>75906639
Burden of proof is an argument
You can't say the holocaust is real without evidence just as much with a diety
Hence the term faith
chegmate
>>75906489
If you make a claim about reality the burden of proving that you are correct is yours and nobody else's. This is the same advice I would give to those Atheists who say "God does not exist."
>>75905687
What a load of incoherent bullshit.
The claim god came to earth, he would have to exist.
People believe should be no ones business but there own but expressing retardation of that magnitude iin public should be punishable by death.
>>75906755
>he's got a whole playlist on that
I think you were the Slovakia guy who posted it before. if yes, thank you for posting it. gonna watch some more of their stuff.
>>75906262
p1: whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence. (PSR)
p2: the universe began to exist.
c1: therefore the universe has a cause of its existence.
p3: the cause is either an impersonal or personal. (a cause can't be both personal and impersonal, nor can a cause be neither personal nor impersonal.)
p4: the cause of the universe is not impersonal. (impersonal causes cannot alone elect to change one state of affairs to a different state of affairs.)
c2: therefore the cause of the universe is personal.
this is the only way which to explain how you have the origin of a temporal effect with a beginning (universe) with a cause which exists timelessly and eternally.
if the cause were an impersonal set of necessary and sufficient conditions, then the cause could never exist without its effect.
if the cause were timelessly present, then its effect would be timelessly present as well.
the only way for the cause to be timeless and for the effect to begin to exist in time is for the cause to be a personal agent who freely chooses to create an effect in time without any prior determining conditions.
and thus we are brought not merely to a transcendent cause of the universe, but to its personal creator.
>>75906730
>That's because atheism is a movement to completely remove the concept of god or gods from the noosphere.
Well then you're doing the wrong thing. Why not engage with the minimalistic proofs of God's existence? A lot of them are airtight if you have certain philosophical assumptions. But they have to relevance to everyday life unless you add on other properties to God.
Why would you want to completely remove a technical philosophical opinion from the noosphere? The religious people you hate the most don't know anything about philosophy, they won't care.
>>75906840
>The claim god came to earth, he would have to exist.
Yeah, sure. But that's the weak point, isn't it?
Imagine if I said "there is a dragon in my garage" and you started trying to prove that dragons can't exist, instead of checking my garage. That's how dumb most political atheists are.
>>75905022
Atheists are cancer.
Isolated from the greater good.
>>75906262
Prove a god doesn't exist
>>75906896
you're welcome
>>75907077
burden of proof is on the person who claims something, not vice versa
if you believe in some old funny guy sitting in clouds, im ok with this, but dont call yourself intelligent, pls
>>75906288
>14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20
You can't win mate. I know Christianity better than you.
>>75907264
>if you believe in some old funny guy sitting in clouds
I assure you, there is no sane person older than 8 years who believes that
>>75906818
And that is why I am an agnostic
>>75907338
People in my country have said stupider things.
>>75906818
God is redundant. The flying spaghetti monster argument etc. We can't claim anything but we can make assumptions based on what we know now.
>>75907452
murrica sure is wonderland
>>75906913
Assertion p1 is false in the case of the universe. We do not know if the universe began to exist, as it in and of itself is not subject to its own laws. As an example: if a ball contains a material highly reactive with water on its inside, but the outside touches water, the inside will not react. Such is the case because the outside sees different conditions than the inside.
Assuming it is true, we can say p2 is false because again, it can not definitively be proven that the universe began. Of course you can point to its expansion, but a number of theories point to its eventual contraction into a finite point, then re-expansion. If this is the case, then the universe continually exists.
Assuming the validity of the rest of your points, true, we have a personal creator. It is not known if this creator presently interacts with the universe at this moment. If it does not, then veneration is meaningless. If it does, then it may be venerated.
>>75906818
>This is the same advice I would give to those Atheists who say "God does not exist.
Then you would be wrong. Consider the following:
Bob says: there's a magical sloth living in my wardrobe who knows every fact in existence
Sally says: that's bullshit
Bob is making a claim about reality. Sally is merely refuting that claim. If Bob and his sloth had never happened along, Sally would not have an opinion one way or the other regarding mystical, wardrobe-dwelling bradypodidae.
>>75906818
>This is the same advice I would give to those Atheists who say "God does not exist."
There is no burden of proof on someone claiming a negative.
It's up to the person claiming something is real to prove that it exists rather than the person claiming it doesn't to run the gamut of reasons something can't exist.
This is especially true when the positive claim is purposefully unfalsifiable.
Reminder: if you accept the existence of god solely on the basis that it is unfalsifiable you must also accept the existence of FSM and the celestial teapot for the same reason.
>>75907651
What revelations has the FSG made? Who testifies to them?
>>75908028
Didn't you ask this same question last thread and summarily disappear after I posted this image?
>>75907921
>there was a time when God didn't exist and humans weren't aware of it
>>75906818
yeah, assuming the proof can be communicated
but the evidence could theoretically be something that can be only experienced by yourself
>>75908028
>implying judeo christian god made revelations
pastafarians and pirates testify the flying spaghetti monster
>>75908181
Oh I missed that.
He doesn't look like someone whose religious opinions I would be interested in.
>>75908286
You clearly seem to be enjoying yourself there. However, I can't quite see the joke. Care to be less cryptic?
>>75908438
Oh well that's just dandy.
Hey guys it looks like he doesn't care about something that runs directly contrary to his narrative.
Welp, let's pack it up. He wins.
>>75908306
>>75908181
Also.
>15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7
>>75908574
Ok I'll humour you. Why should I be interested in the spaghetti monster.
Christianity allowed itself to be subverted it's a weak religion.
>>75905687
>magic
stopped reading there
Jesus was a folk fiction or a composite of other Jews who resisted the Romans or both. Jesus (Joshua) was the name of the Jew who supposedly conquered Caanan and was also supposedly the name of the first Priest of the Jewish Temple. Those Jesuses are absolutely fictions. The name means Yahweh Saves. It makes sense that when the Jews dreamed about a Messiah to reclaim the land from the Romans and cleanse the Temple of corruption, that his name might be Jesus.
My theory is that there were stories about Jesus in Palestine, a fiery Zealot type out for holy vengeance and Roman blood. It was Hellenized Alexandrian Jews who spun these stories for their own benefit by pretending he was pacifistic West-friendly philosopher faith-healer and all the other crap, which was basically Jewish taqiyya. It's exactly like how Jewish media in New York lies about and spins what they do in Israel or how Muslims lie about what they are about.
Gentile cucks who bought the bullshit expanded upon the Gnostic and Mystery qualities. Jesus became anti-Semitic' after Jewish behavior made it impossible for a good Roman citizen to practice a quasi-Judaism. Instead of just dumping the religion, they just retconned it, and lied essentially in the same mode they had been lied to.
>>75907240
see: faith
>>75908618
FSM mentions other god's too but he's not as much of a dick about them.
>>75908675
You shouldn't.
He's just as fake as your god and the fact that some retards follow him doesn't change that.
>>75908618
You got it wrong. I'm saying that every prophet is a false prophet because everyone can claim a god. There is no need for god for this universe to exist. We can't disprove god, but based on what we know now, we can assume there is no god.
>>75908813
But my God created the universe and is awesome, beautiful and wise, among other things. As opposed to merely existing for the purpose of making spurious arguments.
>>75908675
Ah, I see. You're only interested in dancing around the margins of the conversation. When it comes to anything substantive, you think a gif and some nonsequitous green text will suffice, so you can get back to more comfortable territory.
>>75909026
No the FSM did all of that.
You shouldn't take credit for other's work, anon.
>>75908989
>we can assume there is no god
No we can't. There's no justification for that assumption. You may assume it's the more likely assumption to be true. But I don't. And logic requires all competent parties to agree to the premises.
>>75909141
how is he taking credit?
>>75909305
He said his god did everything that FSM did.
>>75909141
There's no authoritative testimony that the one true God who created the universe is spaghetti monster shaped. And the Holy Spirit tells me he is indeed not.
>>75909141
if SFM did all, that then you are talking about the same entity and therefore arguing for the same thing
you just have minor differences in your theories
>>75909407
The noodly appendage tells me that FSM did all that.
Check mate I guess.
>>75909370
but you're doing the exact same thing
>>75906947
>A lot of them are airtight if you have certain philosophical assumptions.
>Assume X implies Y.
>X is known to be true, therefore Y.
^That's not logic, and really no different than saying Y is true because I say so.
>>75909503
>SFM
i need to stop watching 3d porn
>>75909515
>THAT'S
>THE
>POINT
How are you people this dense?
FSM IS A JOKE
IF YOU TAKE ANY OF THESE ARGUMENTS SERIOUSLY THEN YOU ARE A JOKE
FUCK
>>75907921
>>75907936
There is a difference between.
"God does not exist."
And "The God you have made claims about does not exist."
God only starts becoming impossible when people begin assigning attributes to it/him/her/them that can be verified or falsified.
>>75908288
That may be true, but if it is God has not deigned to reveal it's nature to me yet, so all I can do is wait on that. As long as those people who follow a specific God continue to make untrue claims or impose their faith on others I will continue to oppose them.
>>75909076
Should I expect a reply worthy of my intellectual attention?
>>75909215
We could also assume we live in the matrix or that the universe doesn't even exist. Assume whatever you want, you don't need justification. That's why I brought up the FSM. The thing which bothers me is when people say their assumptions must be true, when they obviously are not.
>>75909784
No, I can't bend down that low.
>>75909503
FSM has entirely different tenets and principals just like any other of the millions of religions that have claimed their god created everything throughout time.
>>75909728
>God only starts becoming impossible when people begin assigning attributes to it/him/her/them that can be verified or falsified.
No shit.
but claiming something exists without defining it is completely meaningless.
The second you attach magical attributes to god is it false.
So you either have a false statement or a meaningless one. Take your pick.
>in this moment I am euphoric. Not because of any phony science, but because I am enlightened by my faith to the true master of the universe, Lord Yahweh, protector of Yisrael and the twelve tribes
>>75909588
""""""arguments"""""""
>>75909513
I don't believe you.
>look all these sad atheists, desperately trying to find truth in human made stuff like science that is constantly changing. Meanwhile I have achieved the highest possible enlightenment by simply reading the ancient and sacred Hebrew texts that remained unchanged throughout times, I am ready to face any challenge in this world while at the same time I am in a constant state of euphoria, due to my closer proximity to the divine
>religion
>instills morals
huehuehue
>>75909920
EXACTLY
>>75909932
Now you're getting it, champ.
We'll make a logical thinker out of you yet.
>>75909728
>There is a difference between.
>"God does not exist."
>And "The God you have made claims about does not exist."
True. However, if no-one ever claims that some god exists, then there is absolutely no need to make a refutation at all. There is no general case for denying the existence of god(s). Only specific ones. Which is kind of the point I was making.
>I simply cannot believe that its 2016 years after the birth of our lord Yeshua Christ, and people still deny his divinity. Its almost as if they never even read the ancient Judaic texts that specifically confirm his divinity. I swear to Yahweh, if I wasn't living in this athiest ruled society today I would go all deus vault on these heathens
>>75909802
>when they obviously are not
Can you prove that the FSG doesn't exist?
>>75909879
>we chose
No, only one person is carrying on their genes in this picture, and that's the women. The man is not the father, will never be the father, and his line will die with him.
God damn these people need to just be shot for such insanity.
>>75909728
or you can choose the red pill
I can't tell you the truth, but I can show you the way to reach it but I won't promise you anything
will you take it or pass and return to sleep?
>>75910040
stay mad
>>75910250
What makes you think I'm mad?
>Just as I expected, all the atheist retreated to their holes, no one has the guts to argue with me. Just so you know, I am extensively well read In the Torah, New testament and all the apocrypha texts. I also memorized all the Chronicles from the Old testament in the original Hebrew. I would like to see an """"educated"""" atheist try to argue with me
>>75910158
We can't prove the matrix, god, or even the universe exist. We must assume some things. So I assume universe exists and god doesn't. Claiming your assumptions must be true and others are wrong is basically religion and it bothers me.
>>75910040
I'm completely fine with infidels. Many of my best friends and family are non-believers. I'm not atheistist. Whether you believe or not is irrelevant to me. I am just here to testify to the truth.
>He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
>>75910330
internet yelling all caps style
>>75910395
We don't have to assume anything.
>>75910375
> memorizing the torah
thats what jews do, not christians
>>75910559
What are you suggesting?
>>75910375
Fine, faggot. Feel free to convince me*.
*alliteration not required
>>75910425
Unlike your religion, tolerance for non-believers is actually written into the doctrines of the FSM. In fact, it's one of the founding principals.
>>75910446
Stick around for a while. You might actually learn how the internet works.
Here I'll give you a free tip:
When people say "lol" they're not actually laughing out loud.
>>75910395
>>75910559
> the universe and God existing are mutually exclusive events
wat
>>75909728
>I will continue to oppose them.
Good goy.
>>75910641
no, he will just keep mocking you with our fedora meme, because he is butthurt
>>75910623
you don't need beliefs to function in life
>I am always amused when athiest are trying to deny god. They all get so mad and start babbling about big explosions and other phony stuff. I simply keep calm and repeat them my favourite bible quote. This immediately shuts them down and makes them mad. I converted 23 athiest so far with my intellectual power
>>75910687
> tolerance for non-believers
why would a christian be expected to "tolerate" (approve of) disbelief? according to Christians, unbelievers will go to hell. By approving of their disbelief, they would be wishing someone to go to hell
>>75910820
Who are you quoting there? I'd like to shake his hand.
>>75910687
your faggot atheist attitude is letting your own executioner in through the front door
>>75910820
that's not how the hat memes works
the guy is supposed to be atheist you dip
>>75910776
the point of Christianity is not to "function" in this life, but to not go to hell after this life
All I ever see in these threads are arguments about the logic of the stories which missed the point of the main proponent being faith which is not supposed to be explained. And that's exactly what I've always had a problem with. I don't have faith because I don't trust people who tell me to believe in the supernatural and when I experiment with convincing myself to have faith nothing happens. Furthormore convincing yourself something is happening that is not happening is delusion.
>>75910843
Exactly.
Their tolerance is superficial when, in reality, their god hates non-believers.
The FSM is far more benevolent.
>>75910904
And who might that executioner be? Certainly not you.
>>75910696
No. You misunderstood. Where did I imply that in order for god to exist there mustn't be universe? I just assume god doesn't exist because there is no need for him in my model of existence.
>>75910936
> imagine no Islam
FTFY
>>75910950
Why let us live In this life. Surely God could simply place everyone in heaven and end the cycle of reproduction in earth if he wanted to.
>>75910959
> nothing happens
With Christianity, you build your wealth in heaven. You are not supposed to see earthly results. Don't be discouraged, it is well worth it in the end.
>>75911025
>>75910776
I like to choose a side. Being agnostic means you are Switzerland and nobody wants that.
>>75910950
I'm talking about all beliefs, even the scientific like the belief that sun rises every day
well you can count on it, but you don't need to cling to that belief
>>75906730
>/pol/ is a place for logical argument
>he unironically wrote that
and the """""cool""""" guy in pic rel is just like a cherry on top
>>75909911
>>75910076
I think we're all in agreement here, I just prefer not to make such an assertive statement until someone starts throwing around attributes of God or the Universe which are conclusively wrong.
>>75910724
Jews aren't exempt, if a Jew made some stupid claim based on their dogma I'd call them on it as quickly as I would a Muslim or Christian, or any other person of any faith or no faith.
>>75911213
choosing a side ultimately means wasting your time and channeling your energy on something you will never know
>>75909879
Holy shit I just found the article and they are BOTH KEKED! This fertile couple had black invitro embryos supplanted into her womb which she carried to term and I assume will raise with the husband. Even Crazy Betnie can't believe this level of cuckoldry.
>>75911211
You does realize my arguments are against all religion, right?
The differences between abrahamic religions is practically non-existant.
>>75911192
>you build your wealth in heaven. You are not supposed to see earthly results.
christianity is for the greedy yet fool
>>75910687
>it's one of the founding principals
Says who.
>49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
>...
>53And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Luke 9
> 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2
>31Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
1 Corinthians 10
>>75907835
(your rebuttal to p1 was really just a 'you can't know that!' to p2)
more on p2:
p1: an actual infinite cannot exist.
p2: an infinite temporal regress of events is an actual infinite.
c1: therefore, an infinite temporal regress of events cannot exist.
if the universe is past eternal, then there would be an actual infinite.
I'm not as afraid of Christians as I am of Muslims, but they are both savage beliefs. The reason I stockpile weapons is these people. The mind of people who stone people to death, or burn them at the stake because some voice told them to. I'm glad I live in the least religious state, but I still don't trust thm even a little bit. People who believe in magic and gods cannot be sane, period, no matter what their specific beliefs.
>>75911425
First of all, I don't claim anything. I assume. Second, I don't consider it more of a waste than discussing cucks and sjws on /pol/. Sometimes I start a nice conversation about the meaning of life and all other meaningless topics. Third, are you trying to tell me you don't consider the possibilities of an existence of god?
>>75911562
Numero uno
http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eight_I'd_Really_Rather_You_Didn'ts
>I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like A Sanctimonious, Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really. I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject. OK?
Christians take the bible her batim as word of God but we know that it didn't happen like that. Perhaps there is some implication the oral traditon is more significant than writing, but what we do know is the bible has been changed over the years... How is that ok? At least with the koran, right or wrong, we know it's what Mohammad said verbatim
>>75907065
>offshoot of Judaism
>good
pick one, cuck
>>75911621
Amen brother
>>75911986
It seems to me that, rather than promoting tolerance, the FSG is primarily used to attack faith in the one true god.
>Reminder Christianity is the most cucked religion on the planet.
>Reminder that Jesus demanded his followers to bow to the wishes of the government no matter who is in charge like the cuck he was.
>>75912103
U mean like christianity?
>>75911621
This is worth noting. The day that the Christian God, who has reined in a proportion of the wickedness in Christian's hearts through the threat of eternal damnation, is proved unequivocally to be false. Well, that day will make a zombie apocalypse look like a Sunday School picnic.
>>75912052
>Christians take the bible her batim as word of God
Stopped reading there. No we don't.
>>75912145
What makes you think that?
I'm not saying I don't tolerate you just that everything you believe is wrong.
>>75912159
Reminder Mohammad ruled armies on his lifetime and had 9 wives as we sit here and wonder were all d'a wite women at
>>75911025
God hates sin, not people.
People make their own choice to go to hell, God does not send them.
We have free will.
>>75912212
Lol then how do you know what to believe. Personal experience with god?
>>75912052
>but what we do know is the bible has been changed over the years
you mean textual variants? the koran has those too.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/
>>75912269
No it's not. It's the truth.
The FSG only comes up when atheists are attacking Christians. That's what makes me think it is mainly used for attack rather than tolerance. You don't hear of it at any other time or in any other context.
>>75912381
Holy Spirit.
>>75912424
Cool. Good to know.
>>75912159
> most cucked
If the West actually followed it, so many current issues would not exist
No rapefugees
No Western degeneracy
No low birthrates
We would be a high trust society
That is just to name a few
>>75912528
How do I get the holy spirit to communicate with me?
>>75905022
>>75912596
Pray to Jesus to send him to you.
>>75912380
So if I say
>I will believe in you, God, if you give me an absolute, undeniable, unambiguous message that you exist RIGHT NOW
And god doesn't then how is that not his fault?
Why would he give us free will then deny us the information to use it properly?
What if god also only accepts people into heaven if they hop on the left foot 31 times while saying the pledge of allegiance?
Sure we have absolutely no way of knowing that but that's not god's fault, right?
>>75912476
I hope that you may one day be touched by the noodley appendage.
It doesn't make any difference really but maybe then you'll be able to live a more happy life unbound by ancient restrictions.
>>75911501
> practically non existent
>>75912684
God tests you.
You do not test him.
That is why.
>>75912677
Ok. The first thought that occured was that I have to be free from sin. Possible?
>>75912548
> Christianity would stop rapefugees
That makes zero sense
We are talking about a religion that makes earthly concerns pointless
We are talking about a religion which promise renders concerns about arabs taking over Europe pointless, insofar the Jewish War God will destroy the World the same
We are talking about a religion which prophecy is that their followers will be oppressed and destroyed before the return of the Jewish War God, making defense of such civilization either pointless or outright anti-divine
The Pope and Christian Democrat Merkel wants Christians to be persecuted because that is exactly what Jesus would have wanted. His Kingdom was not of this Earth, and to follow him you had to become a martyr, a oppressed one, a victim
Only then his declaration that "the meek will inherit the Earth" and "blessed are those who are persecuted, because they will become my Kingdom" makes sense
>>75912596
Depends on where you live. But $100 should see you right. Of course, buying retail is basically wasting money so you should invest $1000 in a prolonged conversation with said holy spirit.
>>75912880
> I have to be free from sin
See: Jesus
>>75912548
> We would be a high trust society
Christianity also destroys familial trust, by demanding its doctrine be placed above familial loyalties
I do not practice any religion because I am a social libertarian, meaning I do not believe in victimless crimes.
>>75912886
Because with there would be no modern liberals if everyone believed.
They are the ones who let in the rapefugees
> the pope
he isnt even christian
>>75912548
>no rapefugees
>For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, Matthew 25:35
I don't think turning away people fleeing a war is a very Christian thing to do.
>>75912880
So it's not possible or it is. I swear you Christians always talk like this. For what purpose? Im genuinely making an attempt here.
>>75912784
Your religion supported the crusades and Salem.
Time changes the followers of a religion but not the basic tenets that enable horrible shit.
>>75912857
So if I'm right about the foot hopping thing and you get tot he pearly gates and you're turned away because you had no way of knowing you'd just shrug and accept it while saying "looks like I didn't pass this arbitrary test that I didn't even have a reason to believe I was taking. Off to hell I go!"
>>75912938
>Thou shalt honour thy father and thy mother
>>75913050
Don't be absurd
Richard Dawkins is not the one pushing for rapefugees, it is the christian churches
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/refugee-crisis-governments-inadequate-response-attacked-by-church-of-england-a6699166.html
> he isnt even christian
He is not christian because he actually follows through the moral implications of that demented jewish cult?
That is just silly
>>75912902
Yah super hans I've done drugs but those apparently werent proper religious experiences in trying to do it right all the while knowing I'll probably never beat the ecstasy of those experiences
>>75913082
No one is sinless except Jesus. The sentence for sin is death. But Jesus served our sentence for us. Therefore you are free from sin.
>>75911932
I am aware of that possibility, yeah but I hold no belief on that matter
Either could be true and I would just accept it as it is, no matter what I believe or assume.
>>75913142
Jesus didn't give a fuck about the Old Testament, he twisted it in every chance he had, which is why the pharisees hated him
> Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ 37Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me
>>75913322
So it's impossible for me to sin? Wow good to know.
>>75913080
Most of the migrants are not hungry or thirsty. They just want free stuff and to colonise and breed with ill intent. They should be turned away. The rest should be fighting for their countries. Women and children we can look after till their men have made their countries safe for their return.
>>75913550
Christianity rendered words like "free", "love" and "friend" meaningless
The only true god is Man. United, but alone, Mankind has to stand against the terrors of the universe and conquer them.
>>75913622
Explain
>>75913662
Based
>>75913662
>The only true god is Man. United
Finally, A religious tenet I can support.
>>75913577
that is not what Jesus said tho.
as Jesus would have pointed out, you wanna have the cake and eat it
You wanna receive Heaven without suffering persecution and sacrifice. Your position is a pagan position, filled with earthly concerns, that completely ignores that a Christian should reject this world as a lie
> If your enemies take your coat, give them your shirt as well
> He who won't submit and carry a cross can't be my follower
>>75913463
Wrong. Jesus knew the Old Testament by heart and revered it.
Name one Christian society where there was no family values and widespread enmity between family members.
>>75913257
Come on
Everyone knows he pushes it because that's WWJD and he believes they will assimilate
He's not sooner evil bogeyman with agenda to destroy west
Most Catholic priests I know are more wary on that matter and are against the refugees
>>75913662
>Mankind has to stand against the terrors of the universe and conquer them.
>future mankind won't even stand to pee because it will offend someone
Great future we have there
>>75913080
> implying fleeing a war
they are all literally 70% fighting are males
or according to their beliefs, they are Mujadeeds
They would be fighting for their country (Syria) if they actually wanted ISIS to be destroyed
But no, they want to come to the West and have kids with European women
>>75913550
If you love Jesus, you won't want to sin. But if you do, as everyone does and can't help doing, Jesus forgives you, if you confess and repent and put your faith in him.
>>75913463
so why did he say this?
>>75913885
Have you actually read Acts? People abandoned their families to follow that demented jewish cult.
But perhaps the best example of the promise of Jesus becoming a reality was the violent christian wars of the 1500s between lutherans and catholic, which brought blood, war and destruction to all german families
>>75913322
What's the reward of paradise? Be around me loved ones for all eternity in heaven or just be around the saved and God. What if my loved one didn't believe and went to hell. Then I might question if paradise was that great.
>>75913083
Yes, we did support the crusades
Problem?
They were fought to defend Christians from the Islamic invaders
>>75913875
You're the one who's twisting words to suit your agenda. Jesus never commanded us to colonise our own cities with unworthy parasites.
>>75906262
>he still thinks we should adhere to reason
Prove your adherence to reason "better" than an adherence to non-reason, do it without breaking your own presuppositions.
An appeal to Reason is an appeal to God, necessarily. -Kant
>>75913257
I never mentioned Richard Dawkins was pushing for rapefugees
Nice strawman
I said modern liberals, who are indeed the ones pushing for these invaders to come into Europe
>>75914117
And salem?
how about abortion clinic bombers?
>>75909911
>millions of religions
name 100 religions where a singular divine being created everything.
>>75913962
Jesus, Paul and Peter certainly DID pray for his enemies and allowed him to kill them
A Civilization that tries to do what Jesus would is a Civilization that will destroy itself in the name of empty moralism
Never mind that when he says "Europe deserves the arabic invasion" he does not imply assimilation or anythhing of such kind
>>75914109
Several times. Nowhere in Acts does it promote distrust among family members. It's against the commandment, Thou shalt honour thy father and they mother.
>>75914262
I could literally make up 100 religions right now and be just as valid as yours.
>>75914215
Sinners.
>Thou shalt not kill
>>75914069
>Honor the Commandments
>Which ones?
>Alright, nigga, Ima say it again, and this time, please let me know what part you are failing to grasp.
>>75914425
Pretty sure there was some killing involved with the crusades as well.
How is a war commanded by god the work of sinners?
>>75914425
Thank you.
The reason that we expect Muslims to answer for their attacks is because the Quran supports them, while the Bible does not.
> Fight the disbelievers until there is no more fitnah (disbelief)
The word of Muhammed, PBUH
>>75914370
>I could literally make up 100 religions right now and be just as valid as yours.
>yours
Right, I see you've thrown reason out the window but hey....whatev.
And I'm sure they'd have the exact same tenants and principles as Christianity so much so that one might as well call them Christianity itself.
999 forms of human idealism 1 truly divine absolute of order and morality, yea real hard to differentiate.
It's no wonder people dislike atheists.
>>75914161
What agenda? I am pointing out the reason why the Christian leadership does what it does
They have Jesus on their side
Do you really believe that Jesus meant the opposite of everything he said?
That when he said "love your enemies" and "those that are persecuted for me will be my kingdom" he actually meant the opposite? That you shall fight your enemies off and avoid persecution?
Why would Jesus actually mean the opposite of everything he said?
>>75914069
Ask him! He is the one contradicting the Old Testament elsewhere!
>>75914208
>modern liberals, who are indeed the ones pushing for these invaders to come into Europe
you mean like the Pope and CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT leader Angela Merkel? You mean like the Church of England?
>>75913994
Koje bi radije?
HDZ ili SDP?
>>75914111
Paradise isn't a reward. It's just the default spiritual state. And people put themselves in hell of their own free will. But all will turn back to God eventually, also of their own free will.
>>75906262
All right then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H73eGFACbi8
>>75914709
Our criticisms seem mean to you because your delusion is so insanely illogical. The proof that you have could be used to say that George Washington was also a wizard. You use faith as an excuse to defend something that has the same level of proof.
>>75914709
Not sure why you emphasized "yours" but hey, it's your post.
>>75914709
>And I'm sure they'd have the exact same tenants and principles as Christianity so much so that one might as well call them Christianity itself.
If they're different then they're not the same.
Is this really a difficult concept for you?
>It's no wonder people dislike atheists.
If you met me on the street you would never know. In fact, you might be inclined to think I'm religious because I have a strict moral code.
We live and walk among you. OOOOoOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOoooo
>>75914836
What's the point of having a child if paradise is default spiritual state. Why bring a person into the world knowing they may go to hell and there's nothing you can really do about it because of free will?
>>75914287
Paul made it clear that if members of your family were christians, you had to cut ties
Paul wrote
> don't be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols
Here we are talking about a demented jewish cult, that demands you part ways with your family if they don't follow this ill religion
>>75914566
Holy war is clearly sanctioned by God in the OT. And no, that doesn't include jihad against infidels, as clearly demonstrated by the teachings of Jesus here >>75911562 among several other teachings and observation of his actions.
>>75915086
* your family were not christians,
>>75915086
Unyoking yourself doesn't mean cutting ties.
>>75915142
So then salem was cool too then, right?
After all, god said to kill the witches as well.
>>75914713
We don't avoid persecution. And we do love our enemies. That doesn't mean we have to tolerate mass immigration. You're just twisting his words to suit your agenda. You don't hear them interpreted by the Holy Spirit. It hardly needs to be pointed out that when society was Christian, there were no muslim ghettos. But now that society is not Christian, there are muslim ghettos.
>>75906262
I also want to be very honest about this: >>75914861
It can be very traumatizing, expecting a response like in the video and it doesn't happen. As far as I know this does occur. But they don't have broadly discussed video's about that.
>>75915203
Paul makes it clear that agreement becomes impossible, because you are now part of an exclusionary jewish sect
In fact, he asks:
> What agreement has the temple of God with idols?
The disregard Christianity feels for "honor your parents" is further expressed by Jesus here:
> “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters — yes, even his own life — he cannot be My disciple."
Being a Christian is insane
You become part of a cult where even your own biological family, the most fundamental human social unit, becomes an afterthought if it were to intervene with the spread of this diseased jewish mind virus
And all because you allowed some jews to convince you that if you don't do as they want, you are going to burn in a fiery eternal place that does not even exist
>>75915262
Killing witches isn't wrong. But I highly doubt that any of those people were witches. Haven't you ever seen the Crucible?
>>75915702
Are you doubting the word of god, heathen?
He said they were witches.
>>75915691
You're literally retarded if you think Jesus was commanding us to hate our family there.
>>75915086
paul also wrote:
>9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people.
>10 In no way did I mean the immoral people of this world, or the greedy and swindlers and idolaters, since you would then have to go out of the world. (1 Cor 5:9-10)
and pic related
hmm. . . really makes you think
>>75915813
No he didn't.
>>75915935
That's what the people of salem said.
Maybe he didn't say it to you but they heard it loud and clear.
>>75915491
MY Agenda? I am not the freaking Pope, not the Archbishop of England!
> That doesn't mean we have to tolerate mass immigration.
A Christian literally has zero reasons to protest mass immigration
a) Cultural Survival is pointless because the Jewish War God will come and destroy the world anyways
b) Doing it to prevent oppression of your people is just as pointless, because Jesus promised that those that were martyred in his name would receive eternal rewards
c) Jesus actively encouraged his followers to give everything away to the poor. The endless masses of muslims and africans ARE the poor of the world.
It is like you don't actual believe in Heaven, you don't actual believe that you will receive eternal reward if you are tortured to death in the name of Jesus
So why are you a christian at all, i shall ask? Is it because some bizarre meme? because for the last 25 generations your ancestors were, so now you have to be, even when the moral implications of this jewish cult are insane?
>>75916022
Bullshit.
>>75905022
>>75916175
Who are you to deny the people who heard god themselves?
What next, are you going to deny Mary and Joseph?
>>75915836
Christians in /pol/:
> Jesus ALWAYS means the opposite of everything he says
>>75916123
I don't protest immigration on Christian grounds. I'm against it on racial and cultural grounds. The poor don't need to come to the UK in order for us to feed them. They can stay the fuck in the desert.
>>75916310
The Holy Spirit can help you identify truth and lies.
>>75916310
A super loud voice in my head screamed at me to rape a girl when I was in the hospital for a drug induced psychotic break. I actually lunged at her despite never having harmed another human intentionally but as soon as I saw the fear in her eyes I ran away. I assume that wasn't God. Was it the devil? Was it my psyche? What proof do you have the God others experience in their minds are the God.
>>75916558
The holy spirit is telling me you're lying.
>>75916320
>34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 13
Stop being retarded. You know full well that Jesus didn't command us to hate each other.
>>75916621
Read the reply thread, hombre.
I'm arguing AGAINST god.
>>75916662
You don't have the Holy Spirit infidel.
>>75916621
>What proof do you have the God others experience in their minds are the God.
Holy Spirit.
>>75916817
Explain
>>75916409
Why would a real Christian have racial and cultural concerns?
That is like saying that I am sad because the garbage that was going to be thrown to the fire tomorrow was thrown today instead!
Who the fuck cares if the Britons go extinct in 2060 if the Apocalypse starts in 2061!
Who cares if Islam tortures all British Christians in 2060 if they will receive an eternal reward for their martyrhood in 2061!
You are acting against your own christian interests, in the name of wordly things that will burn in the eternal fires!
>The poor don't need to come to the UK in order for us to feed them.
So you THINK that you should feed them?
Until their population reaches the trillions I presume?
>>75916747
Prove it.
I heard god telling me that you're full of shit for defending the salem witch trials and crusades.
I have a question for atheists.
I believe I have a demon inside, behaves like a demon and all, but you guys claim it is a mental illness, so I want your opinion on the matter.
If this is a mental illness, clearly any claim it may have on my soul would be laughable, since it's just a mental illness, any dealings, agreements, whatever would be declared void as it is a mental illness, it has no rights over my soul.
Do you agree with this?
>>75916697
You commit the mistake to assume that Christian Love is the same of Eros (what we usually understand as love, aka pagan love)
Christian Love is the love that you are supposed to feel for your enemies as well! For the people that you wanna kill and destroy!
The demand of Jesus is that you no longer see difference between friend and foe, Love becomes a meaningless virtue
>>75914566
A better translation for that commandment is "though shalt not murder"
There is a difference between fighting in a just war and the kind of killing prohibited in the Bible.
Israel obviously had an army, that killed their enemies
If there was something wrong with that, Jesus would have said something.
>>75916881
>26But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
John 15
>>75914836
Not supported by the Bible
If people were able to come out of hell, then there would be no point of the whole salvation thing
Hell is eternal suffering.
>>75917236
Jesus went out of his way to repeat the idea of "DO NOT RESIST EVIL" and "If they take your coat, give them your shirt as well" everywhere in the Gospel
The only way to assume Jesus was okay with you fighting your enemies and preventing yourself from being martyred, is to assume Jesus lied every single time, and he always meant the opposite he said
>>75917236
>A better translation for that commandment is "though shalt not murder"
>There is a difference between fighting in a just war and the kind of killing prohibited in the Bible.
>Israel obviously had an army, that killed their enemies
How convenient and totally not hypocritical.
It's almost like they wrote a rulebook condemning everyone else but praising themselves for the same actions.
But that can't be right. I'm sure they condoned the killing of christians by muslims because that was a just holy war as well.
>>75917093
Everyone has a demon inside them psychologically. Remember, most of your brain is ancient animal brain. It has primal feelings of your ancestors that are very powerful. In your context, you've branded it as evil, because Christianity told you that animal inside you is evil.
Mental illness doesn't begin until you start losing control of that animal.
>>75916123
Caring for the poor does not equate to inviting people who want to kill you into your society
>>75916320
> Honor thy father and mother
>>75917603
No, I am claiming an actual demon, that actually talks and proposes things, there's no way in hell you can mistake this post for any other thing and I'm keeping a screenshot of this for trying to be a smartass.
>>75917093
Basically, the angry and constantly horny jungle ape brain inside of you was never erased, it was just built upon. You've been classically conditioned to associate these feelings with the devil and evil, but they are your feelings and thoughts that every animal has.
>>75916886
>Why would a real Christian have racial and cultural concerns?
You may as well ask why would a real Christian have artistic or scientific concerns. But many of them do. You simply willfully misunderstanding what is required of Christians.
>Who the fuck cares if the Britons go extinct in 2060 if the Apocalypse starts in 2061!
When the apocalypse comes, I want my descendants to be on the right side as far as it is in my power to make it so. That is my duty to them.
>Who cares if Islam tortures all British Christians in 2060 if they will receive an eternal reward for their martyrhood in 2061!
I do.
>So you THINK that you should feed them?
I think they should stop breeding until they can look after their own.
>>75917774
Oh, that's literally schizophrenia. Yeah your mind is all fucked up and it started turning on itself.
>>75917671
it does lead to that. The poor is not some magical mass of angels. Helping the poor eat, breed and reproduce is helping a mass of hungry animals grow out of control
and Jesus seems to be aware of this reality
his demands of help for the poor are combined with strange demands of self-disarmement, from "love your enemies", "if they take your coat, give them your shirt as well" and "those that look for their deaths for me will live"
>>75917882
So obviously, this "demon" has no authority to claim anything, does he?
>>75917774
Wait, just to be clear, you actually hear these voices talking to you as if your ears are sensing it and this voice is evil while you have no control over it?
>>75917774
do you hear it with your ears or your inner voice? (like when you read)
>>75917975
No. I went to the hospital for the same problem. There's no shame in getting medical help.
>>75918058
>>75918013
I don't see how this is relevant now, I'm daring to say the moment the devil is about to be deauthorized by his own children, atheists are going to convert en masse?
Inner voice.
>>75918100
Ultimately though you are going to have to do a lot of work on yourself in addition to getting medicine. You are experiencing something most people don't. You are questioning the authority of your own impulse. There is much more to be learned.
>>75918145
I mean I wanted to know if you had schizophrenia but I think I have my answer. Look for professional mental help man.
