IDS HABEDIN!
>UK voters leaning towards Brexit, Guardian poll reveals 52+%
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/31/uk-voters-leaning-towards-brexit-guardian-
>Pound slides 'just 0.01%' against US Dollar after poll gives Brexit lead
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-pound-slides-sharply-against-the-us-dollar-after-poll-showing-brexit-ahead-a7058021.html
>TORIES ADMIT ELECTORAL FRAUD IN SOUTH THANET, POSSIBLE BY ELECTION AFTER THE REFERENDUM
http://www.channel4.com/news/new-expenses-scandal-emerges-as-tories-fight-police-in-court
http://www.channel4.com/news/election-expenses-exposed
>Is the vote rigged? How do bookies know the results and set the odds?
>UK is most corrupt country in the world, says mafia expert Roberto Saviano
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/roberto-saviano-britain-corrupt-mafia-hay-festival-a7054851.html
>LOCAL COUNCILS ATTEMPT TO RIG EU REFERENDUM WITH PRE-MARKED POSTAL VOTES
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/30/council-to-pulp-eu-referendum-postal-ballots-as-bias-row-spreads/
REGISTER TO VOTE
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
@britainelects
EU referendum poll:
Remain: 42% (-5)
The Guardian caught misleading previous polls. Now say polls are bad for democracy.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2016/jun/01/political-polls-bad-for-democracy-heres-why-video
Leave: 45% (+6)
(via ICM, phone)
brit/pol/
>>75743723
>>75744742
with no links to polls and fraud
crap
>>75744645
Even if it's going to be totally rigged, we can send the cunts a message. Get out in force, vote like you've never voted, shill like you've never shilled. Do not let them intimidate or demoralize you.
>Thailand
>>75744885
>pic
kawaii desu ne
>>75745220
Karen would definitely vote to leave the EU
>one poll
lmao you goys are still going to vote to stay
>>75745721
>vote to stay
>literally vote to stay cucked
>vote to leave yuropstan
>literally vote to leave yuropstan
>>75745721
Its a guardian shill-poll though. Seems like they printed the truth by accident.
>>75745721
3 out of 5 polls
Is it true that internet 'hate speech' will be blocked?
Surely this will push people to vote out. You're beyond a cuck if you don't.
Postal voted leave yesterday
>implying you bongs will actually leave
>>75745990
Facebook is looking into optional encryption for messenger specifically to make communications private
>>75746010
Good job laddy.
>>75744645
poast ur go to arguments
>Sovereignty is more important that monies
>Gotta secure the borders etc
>So what about human rights? senpai we gotta change that so the gubermints can stamp out Sharia (muh right to religion)
>if project fear is right and we leave and get poor then what? starvation and rioting, aka the foundation for real change.
>turn those food bank crowds into riots and march on london senpai
>>75746010
top lad
>>75746049
And we all know Mr (((Zuckerberg))) respects our privacy, and is in no way complicit in PRISM
>>75744645
>mfw my friends hate europe but are pro-europe because it has potential to be good
They are doing the same as those who advocate for communism because the version of communism that exist in their head sounds good
It's now or never brit/bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
"All we care is that win we will because Britain demands it and no power on earth can hold down the will within us.
Struggles we have had and will have. Blows we have taken and will again. Victories we have had and will have again, yes greater victories than even Britons have ever known.
Guard that sacred flame my brother Blackshirts until it illumines Britain and lights again the path of mankind. Together in Britain we have lit a flame that cannot and shall not extinguish."
V O T E
L E A V E
NEW THREAD
>>75743723
>>75743723
>>75743723
>>75743723
>>75743723
:^)
>>75746361
Sorry mate, this one is better
saved from previous thread
>>75746361
it's a UKIP circlejerk thread
fuck off
You only care about making Farage or Boris Prime minister. stop bringing petty politics into BREXIT
it's about independence
>>75746139
You need to stay in the eu dumbass. Your empire is gone your glory days are over and in the past. Your best option is the eu.
>>75746464
JA
>>75746586
>the best option to make your country powerful and relavent again is to decrease your countries importance to that of a us state
fuck off
>>75746586
>Your empire is gone your glory days are over and in the past.
we're in the same boat
so why don't you join the EU? or with Mexico?
>>75746640
Lol Britain being relevant
They traded there empire and glory in ww2 for a win. After ww2 the USA was a super power and britian was insolvent state who needed america.
>>75746846
>american education
>>75746846
britain should never have allied with usa
hitler was right. the only thing you fucking burgers wanted was our money. kill yourselves you mongrels
Have faith, chaps. We can do it.
>>75746846
The real nail in the coffin was the American betrayal in the Suez Crisis.
>>75746922
Don't worry mate, the burgers time in the sun is almost over. As soon as Hillary wins it's just a few years and we can all remind america of when they were 'relevant'.
>>75746955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-9uWKe2dk
>>75747028
You deserved that. Thinking you could do what you want during a cold war. You endangered us all with your idiocy.
>>75746922
Dont forget your women
In fact that was the plan from the start, we didn't care about the war
>>75747144
>women are whores
More news at 11.
>>75747235
France, are you missing a protest somewhere?
>>75747144
lol i don't give a fuck faggot. i'm not australian. this image only illustrates how americans are scum of the earth
>>75747092
my only wish is to see the continent of america sunk into the ocean
>>75745220
>>75745681
Kill yourselves.
>>75747028
That was funny. The great British empire tried to stop her declining relevance and all the USA did was flex a muscle and you fell into line. Your a bitch you are our bitch and the eu's bitch. Bitches need there man britian so why not stay.
>>75745990
Voting out is considered hate speech now coincidentally. So is encouraging it
>>75747319
Don't you have a BLM protest to go to?
>>75746010
That's what you think.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/poor-outlook-toxic-labour-jon-cruddas-report-welfare-immigration
Would you guys support Labour if they went full nationalist?
Come on dad. Show whos boss
I live in rural Scotland so immigration isn't really a problem for me. I don't see any foreigners around here at all.
The other day I met a woman who had just moved here from Birmingham. She told me she moved away from there because she was in genuine fear for her life with violent crime and bomb threats on the rise.
She had the right accent so she probably did come from there. I have no idea if it's as bad as she claims or if she's just crazy.
South England seems like a different world from where I live.
That's my story I hope you enjoyed it.
>>75744645
Unity is death, Britbongs. Choose independence.
>>75746139
>Sovereignity is the single most important thing a country has.
>Voting remain is not only saying you think a large foreign bureaucracy will make decisions better than you can, but it will continue to do so for decades.
>A socialist country cannot have an open immigration policy, one or the other. (Muh nhs)
>All lefties are beta
>>75746049
Yeah encrypted for everyone except Facebook staff
>>75747432
>boasts about getting one over a country destroyed by war a decade earlier
Lol let's fact it that's the only way Yanks can win anything against a relevant nation on the global stage, you're so fucking inept at real fighting. Can't even beat sandniggers convincingly or Vietnamese farmers with the most expensive military in the world.
>>75747327
Cool
>>75747556
Nah I'm shitposting, way more comfy
Trump has announced a trip to Britain on June 24 one day after this vote
I'm so sorry for you.
>>75747674
Shit I feel bad for her. Are there a lot of English emigrants?
>>75748039
Why is he trying to ruin everything?
The leftists will use this now
>>75746049
Source?
I refuse to believe that a company which derives its income from harvesting data from its userbase would voluntarily lock out a chunk of potential data like that.
>>75748093
Wont the people just disregard whatever the media tries to spin?
>>75748093
has to be an invitation, yes he has a golf course there I don't think he's left the states since his campaign started last summer
Really weird timing
>>75748303
That's why they were gonna make it opt in
>>75744645
What are the odds of Brexit winning by a double digit difference? Its the only way it won't just be paid lip service to and ignored.
>>75746139
Now, I can try to explain a few things, but I'm guaranteeing that this will satisfy you.
>Sovereignty
When people talk about that, what they mean in the end is Parliament Sovereignty. The fact that, theoretically, Parliament should be the only institution to make laws in the UK.
However, it's not like the UK was robbed of its power. It GAVE some of it to the Union, then the Community, in 1972, with the European Communities Act 1972. It chose to give some of its power, in order to be on oar with allthe other countries and profit from the EU single market.
The fact that the EU imposes law is true, it's undeniable. Some of them are shit, that's also undeniable, like the ones where you can clearly see the lobbies pushing behind so that they can sell this or that pesticide.
On the other hand, the vast majority of them has drastically improved social conditions accross all boards, employment laws, equality laws, healthcare, fundings, etc.
Now, to go back to sovereignty, the main problem with it came along the HRA 1998. Article number 3 states that UK courts should CONSIDER following the line established by Strasbourg on that end, but it is NOT BINDING. The UK could definitely say fuck off and that'd probably be the end of it. Article 4 states that if there is a case where the national courts see that a national regulation is violating one of the Convention rights (written by the brits after the war, just sayin'), the court can issue a declaration of incompatibility. It will be brought to Parliament, which will evaluate if the regulation should be changed, but there is NO OBLIGATION. Most of the time, Parliament will change the problematic regulation, but it's because they want it.
So the end word is this: the UK's sovereignty has been reduced, that's undeniable, and it shows because of its dualist legal system. But is it vassal to the EU? Absolutely not. On the contrary, the UK is BY FAR the country that kept its sovereignty.
Cont'
>>75748357
very low. But I truly think this can't be easily predicted. We've never had anything like this in our time
>>75748303
Its locking out only if they don't have control over the encryption key.
Which they most definitely will.
>>75746139
Con't
>Gotta secure the borders
You do realise that, at the moment, it's France that is doing all the work right? The borders of the UK are screened in France when going there.
And France has already said several times that in cases of Brexit, it won't be their problem anymore, i.e migrants won't be stopped before the tunnel's entry, but only at the exit.
Enjoy having to secure your naval borders without the help of France, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands by the way. For now, there is one (1) english vessel patrolling the entirety of the south coast.
Eurobros, whats the consensus on the Referendum from your fellow countrymen/friends/communities etc? No idea how this is being received from other Europeans outside of here
>>75748860
It's easy to patrol the tunnel.
Just let the trains keep running.
>>75748860
France is doing shit all.
There's a 1 mile long fence before the tunnel in France which Britain paid to build.
>>75748860
The agreement UK has with France has nothing to do with UK being part of the European Union.. You do know that right?
>>75746139
Cont' and finishing
>So what about Human rights?
Litteraly EU has nothing to do with you guys saying yes to Muslims going arounf like they own the place.
France has said no to any religious signs, heavily targeting muslims veils and such, and in the end, it was brought to the EU courts, and no later than this morning, the EU said that a company deciding that no religious signs in the workplace were to be tolerated was okay. Another judgement is pending, it wil be given later this year.
But for now, you can thank France for having the balls to say no to the muslims ghosts.
Back to human rights though. The HRA 1998 could be replaced by a potential British Bill of Rights. But it would do jackshit. It would litteraly be the same thing, except made by british people.
Having a growing of people that wants sharia law has nothing to do with the EU, you can only blame your government for being laxist and your people for not being racist enough.
Hope it helps a bit in doing your decision. You can vote out for all I care, even by ignoring the obvious economic consequences (the pound fropped 0.6% today with the publication of the Guardian survey, envisionned to drop by 15-20% in case of actual brexit), it's your country, you got a referendum, vote on it. But at least be informed.
>>75748860
This is the biggest load of bollocks in this thread, including that faggot yank further up
The Calais security deal is a bilateral agreement between two nations. It has nothing at all to do with the EU. The French do not 'do the work', there is a permanent corps of UK border security personnel out there performing the checks and searches.
Hollande pretending otherwise was a load of hot air and he was probably (read: certainly) put up to it by Cameron and his Brussels fuccbois.
>>75749266
>British bill of rights
Worst thing that could happen to Britain atm.
Would solidify the lack of any REAL rights, including free speech, self defence, privacy, etc as well as forgetting that non-English in England should be second class citizens
>>75749403
Or non-British in Britain rather
>>75748868
That you're literally retarded for leaving.
Don't leave us Tommy, your trade will go to hell.
>>75744645
So what's all this about other Europeans participating in polls or voting? How fucked are you guys?
>>75749123
And France signed it because the UK has to be oleased to not throw a tantrum.
If the UK exits, why the hell should France spend money on doing the UK's job when they're not even in the EU anymore?
>>75749566
It's not the UKs job you dumbass
There aren't any fucking English people on the other side keeping all the immigrants in England
>>75749428
t. Guy Verhofstadt
so are you telling me thats same as with scottish referendum ? couple of days before they released that for leaving is 52%. lol.
>>75748868
Being a French, studying EU law in Britain, I can assure you that pretty much everyone that si smart enough knows that a brexit would be a monumental shitstorm.
It could lead to another global financial crisis, both in an and out of the UK.
Very likely to cause, on the long term, the destruction of the EU.
Potentially several political crisis in pretty much every country.
In any case, everyone is scared shitless, because if it does happen, it won't be pretty.
Tensions between the UK and the EU would be to an all time high, with the EU clearly giving the finger, refusing any kind of trade deal, same for the US, even China said they would need to think a lot about a potential deal witht the UK alone.
In any case, both in and out, that is going to cause ripples, because even if the UK stays, reforms will happen.
>>75750073
If Europe is so great then why are you in Britain?
>>75749778
No but there will need to be people guarding the tunnels in case Brexit happens.
Nowadays, there's a huge police force in Calais trying to stop migrants. If the UK leaves, France would have absolutely no incentive to stop them.
>>75744645
TRUMP VISITING THE UK THE DAY AFTER THE EU REFERENDUM
>http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/01/donald-trump-announces-uk-visit-turnberry-golf-resort-britain
>>75750183
Better educational system. More recognised internationally.
The EU is not perfect, I'll be the first to say it, but, apart from Germany, no european country can survive on the long term without it.
>>75750183
because as an EU citizen he can live, work and travel and do whatever he wants in it, same as you.
>>75750218
You haven't thought this through at all.
I'm saying it's France's fucking job to keep the immigrants they import into their country from invading other countries.
>>75750296
>norway and switzerland
>literally the best countries in europe
>iceland
>most successful economic recovery since the 40s
Meanwhile
>greece
>italy
>spain
>portugal
Just fuck off
>>75750408
And the only place anyone wants to be is Britain or Germany.
>>75750549
Yeah, the only two countries with any fucking independence from the EU - the country that has it's foot in the fucking door and the country that runs the damn show
>>75750615
>Yeah, the only two countries with any fucking independence from the EU - the country that has it's foot in the fucking door (and a lot of money) and the country that runs the damn show(and a lot of money)
>>75750183
that would be Germany Spain France and then us, according to the stats. It's to be expected since we're one of the biggest. And there are plenty of good countries in Europe.
>>75750615
Germany doesn't run the show. What does that even mean.
>>75750519
>Norway
Full of oil, which is not the case of any EU country.
>Switzerland
Hard to be in a tough economic situation when every fortune of the world, public and private, rely on you. Switzerland will never be really bothered by anyone since they have all the money.
>Icelande
300k inhabitants. It's smaller than any relevant EU city. Of course it's easier to get back on your feet this way. It's as stupid as saying "Oh look we should apply the same stuff that they do in Singapore, that will surely work, even though the population is 10 times smaller.
>>75750837
Wonder why they have a lot of money
>>75750856
>Germany doesn't run the show. What does that even mean.
(You)
>>75750519
Those countries are in EFTA which is not suitable for us and is also basically just EU Lite
>>75750965
>EU Lite
They're sovereign nations
>>75751044
So tell us what you'd want the UK to do if it was a glorious 'sovereign nation" which it already is, compared to any other EU country.
>yfw Brit economy gets cucked and they ask to get in again
why are brits in such denial that they dont even acknowledge the fall of their empire
>>75750965
>not suitable for us
Says who? You? Your handler? Fuck yourself, you will never change minds on /pol/ about this, we HATE the EU, polls consistenetly show this.
>>75751276
Govern itself
>>75750914
>15% of population
>20% of GDP
>under represented in Parliament in MEPs (no one else is capped)
>under represented on the council (same number of votes as us france and italy)
>Germany=EU guise!!!11! xDD
>>75751044
First, you're a moron for suggesting we aren't
secondly
>STILL make monetary contributions to the EU
>STILL have to follow EU regulations BUT HAVE TO NO SAY IN THEM
>STILL have to allow freedom of movement BUT ALSO SCHENGEN
>lol nah mate EFTA is nothing like like EU
see also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16594370
>Norway signed up to a plethora of other EU agreements beyond the EEA, covering borders, immigration, foreign policy, agriculture, police co-operation and much else.
>Norway has adopted three-quarters of EU legislation amounting to 6,000 legislative acts.
>Two-thirds of private sector investment go to Europe. And there have been high inward flows of EU immigrants into Norway.
>>75751427
14 euros have been added to your account
>>75750460
Well no.
If they came into the country illegally, France could stop this true. But it would cost money.
Now, if the UK is out of the EU, and the migrants wants to go to the UK, why should a country spend money to help a country that decided to give everyone the finger, crying it'd be better alone?
You want to be alone, you'll be alone. That also means dealing with all the stuff people were doing for you before you left because they wanted you to play nice.
>>75751316
It is already governing itself.
See>>75748618
>labour
>>75751512
>why
1) because they aren't fucking babies
2) because they benefit from the tunnel
3) that is literally invasion
>>75751563
No it isn't, we don't have the power to strike down EU law.
Anyone else here adamantly out but the propaganda had them question there position a few times. I don't see how normies will vote out on the day, the horror stories are never ending
>>75751683
I used to like the EU before I learned literally anything about politics
>>75744645
and then another round of "invalid votes" is going to happen and you re not going to leave the eu.
just like it happened in france and austria in the last elections
>>75751495
EXCELLENT response, you are really doing the leave campaign a great service, thank you for your well reasoned and thought out reply.
>>75751310
I mean, as I said in the other post, Norway for example is quite integrated anyway (they're in Schengen which we're not even in). They have various reasons for not signing up, including regulations on fish, CFP etc. which they care about a lot. But we're a very advanced services based economy anyway, nearly 80% of our GDP is services. Why would you want a service based economy to be less accessible?
>>75751656
Of course France benefits from the tunnel. Brexit doesn't mean the tunnel will be closed.
The only thing that could change is that the controls would be done in the UK and not in Calais. And that would mean costs for the UK.
>we don'y have power to strike down EU law
The UK has power to not apply it. Which is already a big deal.
Other than that, it agreed to EU law, the nationals courts are perfectly sovereign, and they're the ones that apply it.
If you want less EU law, try telling the judge of the Supreme Court to do their job otherwise.
>>75751859
If you seriously don't recognise the Germany-EU thing then there's no convincing you
Germany is in fact the main benefactor of the EU, but the real issue is how it allows Germany to extend political power across many other nations. It's no secret that Germany is likely the strongest power in Europe currently (bar Russia) and that's another point
If you seriously think we will have sovereignty after a remain vote you have another thing coming
>>75751839
>France
What?
There was nowhere near the same shades of grey upon the last french elections as there were in austria. It wasn't a case of "oh hold up guys, you'll have to wait a day to know your president!"
This Americuck ITT needs to worry about his own countries problems.
Aren't they already outbred by Mexicans in their next generation?
Whay sort of country could even think about voting for Hillary anyway?
>>75751951
>It agreed to EU law
It agreed to the EEC, a TRADE BLOC
NEVER did anyone agree to be relegated to a state of a new European country
This one's from 1976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMlYoUKeCqw
>>75752009
But if the UK leaves the EU, any power it has now will vanish.
It is rare, but when the EU manages to work as a whole, it is without question a superpower, on par with China and the US.
What is the UK going to do, alone, with a crumbling economy, and without any proper political allies?
Is there a graph of y/n over time? Is exit where the momentum is, or is the lead going to be temorary?
So is it actually happening? Thank fucking God. Make the UK great again!
>>75752057
>It agreed to EEC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Communities_Act_1972_(UK)
>>75752009
It definitely does (it's the largest economy in Europe and the largest population, of course it would). But acting like it rules Europe with an iron fist is wrong because several countries has comparable power.
>>75752259
It's about a month away... Don't jump to conclusions.
>>75752160
>crumbling economy
Delusional shill. We're the 3rd strongest economy in the EU and EU officials have said that if we leave it would be disastrous because we contribute so much. In addition, we pay more out than we get in from the EU, and this is an all told figure that encompasses profit from trade deals completed in the last 10 years as a result of EU marketsharing.
How much is Project Fear paying you for this? Don't you have any kind of free thought in your fucking skull?
>>75752160
>any power it has now will vanish
Do you actually believe this?
>when the EU manages to work as a whole
1) That's normally when objections are crushed, see all the people the EU made "vote again"
2) The EU "working as a whole" sidelines a lot of fucking people
We're different countries for a good fucking reason, and with immigration and marxism we've even been having issues within our country.
>a crumbling economy
[ citation needed ]
the EU is experiencing no growth, how's it going to help this fictional crumbling economy?
Do you actually think it matters?
There will probably thousands of feeble minds that will chicken out at the poll boots and vote stay.
>>75744645
Getting a 404 on that guardian link at the top, are they blocking it for UK citizens like they do in sweden to swedes?
>>75752287
like who?
The only thing Merkel misjudged overestimated her power on was the relocation of the economic migrants.
>>75752347
As an example, the EU faced opposition and so they changed the requirement to have UNILATERAL agreement to MAJORITY agreement
>>75750264
God Emperor be with us brother
>>75752359
It's the wrong link, google guardian brexit poll
>>75752430
Thank god
>>75752057
from financial times article
>Margaret Thatcher made it clear in parliament that joining what she called the common market was much more than a simple trade deal. It meant, the “need to work together as a community and an alliance of nations for the wellbeing and betterment of mankind” she said.
heres her speech to parliament
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1975/apr/08/european-community-membership#column_1020
Where were you when... IT REALLY FUCKING HAPPENED
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271589
>>75752467
Margaret thatcher changed her mind when she realised they wanted a superstate
Mark my words, wanting an EU superstate is treason against England and betrayal of the English people
>http://news.sky.com/story/1705258/trump-to-visit-uk-day-after-eu-referendum
> Trump To Visit UK Day After EU Referendum
Rev up the meme magic lads, we can make this happen.
>>75751839
>and then another round of "invalid votes" is going to happen and you re not going to leave the eu.
>just like it happened in france and austria in the last elections
this x infinity
>>75752523
From a couple of months ago, daves deal said
>"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union."
>"... the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom"
>>75752523
>Mark my words, wanting an EU superstate is treason against England and betrayal of the English people
I'm sure the people who want a federal Europe are the same people whose ancestors avoided fighting in the wars
>>75752624
>Dave's deal
>not a meme
It's no binding or worth the paper it's written on, Donald Tusk said so himself
>>75752624
It is not binding whatsoever, and it is, for the most part, transient in its nature. Conveniently placed to be just beyond Dave's term.
>>75752331
>>75752347
Borowski D, ‘Brexit: Analysis of the Main Economic and Financial Challenges’ [2016]
Amundi, Research, Strategy and Analysis
Foundation Robert Shuman ‘The Free Movement of People in the European Union: principle, stakes and challenges’ European Issue n°312, 12/05/2014
Marinello M, Sapir A, Terzi A ‘The Long Road Towards the Single Market’ Bruegel Working Paper 2015/01, 2015
Booth S, Howarth C, Perrson M, Ruparel R and Swidlicki P ‘The consequences, challenges & opportunities facing Britain outside the EU’ Mars 2015
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Giles C ‘What are the economic consequences of Brexit?’ Financial Times, 22 February 2016
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Go on read, be my guests.
>>75752773
You can't put a price on freedom you coward
>>75752565
Fucking Trump man, is there anything this man cannot meme into existence?
>>75750073
The fuck are you talking about trade deals?
You don't need trade deals to trade with anyone. The us doesn't have a deal with the EU but they trade. China doesn't have one yet they do a fuckloads of trade.
Trade deals are fucking worthless nonsense. Go look at how Switzerland is doing and then tell me you need trade deals and the EU.
The EU is a terrible trade market anyway. It's a stagnant piece of shit. We're being outpaced by all kinds of dirty brown countries because they're not fucking around with shitty 'trade deals'.
Once were out we can completely deregulate trade and we will make fucking bank.
The EU is a fucking cancer on our economy.
I mean do you think Germany wants to stop selling is their cars? Europe will trade with us no matter what.
Lads, do I have down syndrome or what?
Every poll either is slightly one way or slightly the other - yet every bookies has put the odds at 20/1 for Brexit happening.
Why?
>>75752748
>>75752759
>not worth the paper it's written on
Im gonna start doing screenshots because every time I post that its nearly the exact same wording. Are you the same person? It's happened at least 7 times now
They're legal documents and negotiations between countries, if you say they mean fuck all then not much more can be argued 2bh.
And it's not like we'll never have a referendum again? I mean if turkey joined id be voting out too. And euroskepticism is alive and well on the continent
>>75744645
They're better off without the EU suicide cult.
>>75753074
I'm a little confused by this too tbqh famalam
>He thinks there will be a Brexit
Sorry but we're going to remain
>>75753074
Where are you seeing 20/1?
>>75753514
>those smug and ''im so sure of my assumption'' posters who post this in EVERY THREAD
you're worse than the left media, who also confidently and smug keep claiming the same thing
what do you gain by posting this?
so you get a self-earned pat on the shoulder and being able to see ''see, i told you so, im so fucking smart on the political happenings"
fucking DIE and leave the EU (so that we may follow)
>>75753074
>>75753426
>>75753644
there is no source for that figure
real odds are here
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result
>>75753426
Because they're including all the pre-prepared remain ballots that will be added afterwards
>>75753759
I win either way
Vote remain we stay in like I want
Vote out and Scotland leaves the UK
>>75752471
It's the "Don't know" camp that will decide the election. Sadly i think there is a high chance that they will bottle it and vote remain out of fear.
>>75752893
Victory party with Our Nige!
Everyone I know and my Mum knows are voting out
>>75753928
The don't know vote has swung completely to LEAVE, though. People here hate immigration, remember
See: >>75752471
>>75752160
>But if the UK leaves the EU, any power it has now will vanish.
Yeah a Nuclear Weapons State with the 5th largest economy will easily become north korea of course
>>75752773
>EU and globalist funded banks and globalist 1%er paper support staying with bullshit
topkek
>>75752851
>muh freedom
Leavibg the EU won't give you "freedom", instead of lobbies in Brussels, you'll have lobbies back in Westminster.
>>75746464
Is that image true? I has been proven which ever voting option is top of the page, people tend to vote for it more. Government going full shill mode.
>>75753906
>>75753514
>Scottish indepdence
>but only from the UK, not the EU
Fucking hell
>>75754280
Who I vote for in Westminster actually matters - they make make and repeal legislation, who I vote for in Brussels does not - they can't.
OFFICIAL /pol/ BREXIT POLL
http://www.strawpoll.me/10368449
http://www.strawpoll.me/10368449
http://www.strawpoll.me/10368449
OFFICIAL /pol/ BREXIT POLL
>>75754254
Man, you want sources, I give you sources, different and legit ones.
You can keep acting like a child, putting your hands on your ears and saying you don't care, but sources are here, and they all say the same thing, i.e it would be a tough economical time for the UK in case of brexit.
>>75754540
Those people who are voting remain need to kill themselves.
>>75754563
>Man, you want sources
Look at IDs you mongoloid
>but sources are here, and they all say the same thing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35862774
Not everyone.
Also the remain campaign is beginning to sound like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTgYSwlRrEU
>>75753906
Why are you Scots such welfare queens. You're just fucking leeches.
The inevitability of Turkey joining the EU should be enough for anyone with a hint of sanity to vote leave. To share a Union with those scumbags is bad enough, let alone the free movement of their people into our country. You can mention the economy as much as you like, but it's not all about money.
>>75754403
MEPs have seen their power increased since the Lisbon Treaty.
Be it by the ordinary lehislative procedure, or the consent procedure, or even the consultation procedure, yes, they do play a role. The European Parliament playsa tole in each of these procedure.
You can only blame yourself if you don't vote in the EU elections and end up not being represented.
And even then, democracy is not the rule by everyone, it is the rule by the Majority.
>>75753906
fucking jock cunts, all parasites
>>75754779
they're a secular country mate, whats wrong with them?
>>75754840
>MEPs have seen their power increased since the Lisbon Treaty.
Wow, they can vote on laws that someone else writes and proposes to them! No power to instigate or repeal legislation! Such power, very democratic
>democracy is not the rule by everyone, it is the rule by the Majority.
The EU is rule by oligarchy
>>75754779
>Inevitability
Yeah right.
Absolutely nobody wants Turkey in the EU, they trashed a potential deal that "could" have helped them get closer to it by refusing to apply stricter anti terrorists laws.
And very simply, no one wants them, barring all thr cultural, religious, economic, social issues, because of how the EP works. Being a country with a huge population, Turkey would have a massive amount of seats, giving it way too much power.
>>75744645
GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL
>>75754840
>MEPs have seen their power increased since the Lisbon Treaty.
All the real work's still done by the unelected commission.
>Be it by the ordinary lehislative procedure, or the consent procedure, or even the consultation procedure, yes, they do play a role. The European Parliament playsa tole in each of these procedure.
They have a rubber stamp. Very impressive.
>And even then, democracy is not the rule by everyone, it is the rule by the Majority.
Which majority do the unelected lawmakers of the EU represent?
>>75754991
5 years, 10 years, 15 years. Regardless of the time it takes, they will join. The reason this vote is so important is because it doesn't only effect our short term future, but the future of generations to come.
>>75754957
The EP has the power to review the institutions that propose laws projects, and then can absolutely stall the process to forbid a law to pass. They can menace to disband the Commission if need be.
If the EP had all the possible powers it wouldn't be moral.
The biggest problem for the EU is the pro eminence of lobbies. Take these out, and the citizens would be much better off.
>>75755317
>The EP has the power to review the institutions that propose laws projects, and then can absolutely stall the process to forbid a law to pass. They can menace to disband the Commission if need be.
Which is a long way of saying they rubber stamp what's put before them. They can't make law or repeal existing law.
>If the EP had all the possible powers it wouldn't be moral.
Moral is an interesting word here. Why is that?
>>75755317
>then can absolutely stall the process to forbid a law to pass
But they still do not have the power to initiate legislation, giving the commission an effective veto over what goes through, and making the parliament unable to repeal an existing law unless the commission agrees.
>If the EP had all the possible powers it wouldn't be moral.
It's worked fine with Westminster for centuries.
>>75755030
"no"
>>75755531
>It's worked fine with Westminster for centuries.
Slight correction here. Governmental powers are split 3 ways here - the commons, the lords and the monarch (or at least they should be, these days it's pretty much just the house of commons).
>>75754779
>associate member since 1963, candidate member since 1999
>Opened 15 of 35 chapters to be negotiated, closed only 1
>eternally buttblasted by cyprus
>need every country to agree to it joining
>nah m8 turkey joining is totally inevitable
>>75755455
Because if the people that wrote the law were the ones that were also in charge of saying wether or not they want to apply this was combined, it would be silly. You'd have a combination of powers.
The EP is not the instigator of most EU laws, but the majority of its amendments have been accepted, and point where it had disagreements rarely passed without being amended.
>>75755531
The Parliament does have the possibility of using its legislative initiative.
>However, under the Treaty of Maastricht enhanced by the Lisbon Treaty, the European Parliament has a right of legislative initiative that allows it to ask the Commission to submit a proposal.
>>75755094
>All the real work's still done by the unelected commission.
its done jointly for the most part
>They have a rubber stamp. Very impressive.
'no'
>Which majority do the unelected lawmakers of the EU represent?
The majority of MEPs which have been democratically and directly elected by the people of Europe, and the council which has been indirectly elected
>>75755701
Tbh at this point the lords is just a place for politicians to place their cronies and friends, it's why cunts like mandelson haven't fucked off yet.
I think at this point we should just reform it to be a weak chamber with proportional representation.
Also make the commons use the AM system like Scotland and Wales since it retains constituencies but makes the vote near proportional too.
>>75755893
>that allows it to ask the Commission to submit a proposal.
See pic
God Emperor Trump visiting the UK the day after guys declare yourself free and independent of the EU
godspeed my friends, be the first domino to fall!
>>75755993
What role do you think the commision plays and why do you think it is wrong
>>75755778
>Because if the people that wrote the law were the ones that were also in charge of saying whether or not they want to apply this was combined, it would be silly.
Why would that be?
>Get voted in.
>Say "I want to do this"
>Draft legislation to that effect
>Put it before parliament for debate
>Revise legislation
>Repeat until it goes through or doesn't.
>The EP is not the instigator of most EU laws, but the majority of its amendments have been accepted, and point where it had disagreements rarely passed without being amended.
The big issue here is that once it's gone through it can't be repealed by the electorate. One year a certain party gets voted in and they accept a certain piece of legislation. Next year another gets voted in that would not have accepted that legislation, but they can do nothing about it because once it's law there is realistically nothing to be done to change it.
>>75756163
Unelected body that we have no power to remove from office that has sole power of initiation over legislation in the EU.
>>75755932
>its done jointly for the most part
'no'
>'no'
'yes'
>The majority of MEPs which have been democratically and directly elected by the people of Europe, and the council which has been indirectly elected
MEPs, as previously said, barely do anything. They can't themselves make or change law, just rubber stamp what's put to them. They can beg the commission to propose law on their behalf, but if the commission says no that's them fucked - so it's really a joke.
>>75744645
>UK voters leaning towards Brexit, Guardian poll reveals 52+%
Almost like the EU army, Turk visas, and Brussels' threats to "block" the votes of countries with meanie head leaders aren't things Britain want.
LEAVE, LADS.
>I'm choosing to sacrifice the country's sovereignty because the nation's democratic process produced a big meanie government
>>75747144
The Japanese were the worst at propaganda during the war.
>>75753906
>scots
Damn scotland. I know you were always kind of a shit, but you guys have sunken low.
>>75756343
>They can't themselves make or change law, just rubber stamp what's put to them. They can beg the commission to propose law on their behalf, but if the commission says no that's them fucked - so it's really a joke.
But that's just plain wrong. The EP can and does change laws diring the legisaltive process, most of their amendments have been accepted in the last 10 years.
And I'll need source on the Commission refusing to change laws in the majority of cases.
Vote Leave
Be the first to do damage to the Fourth Reich.
>>75756510
Yeah, these people literally want the EU to block the elected government in this country. I'm not fan of the tories, but the idea is disgusting.
>>75756343
http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/european-parliament/index_en.htm
>Passing EU laws, together with the Council of the EU, based on European Commission proposals
>Reviewing the Commission's work programme and asking it to propose legislation
>Electing the Commission President and approving the Commission as a body. Possibility of voting a motion of censure, obliging the Commission to resign
>Questioning Commission and Council
>>75756510
>small island
>wants to bring millions of immigrants in
>>75747674
I traveled extensively through rural Scotland last year on more than one trip. In several B&Bs this was the case. More english moving up north because they fear "those people".
>>75756610
>most of their amendments have been accepted in the last 10 years.
See this is the fundamental problem, the ELECTED lawmakers have to grovel to technocrats to change the laws they are voting on. They can't amend them themselves and have to go to the commission.
Can you not see how that's open for abuse?
Imagine Eurosceptic parties got a majority in the EP (this is a hypothetical), the commission could just ignore anything they wanted to do and not propose anything it disliked.
>>75756660
>asking it to propose legislation
See image
>>75747674
Vote leave, London is literally Islamabad at this point.
>>75756249
but we elected the government and they decide the commissioner? And our commissioner and his team are the only ones that propose laws regarding banking and finance? Is that not unfair to the other 27 countries? oh wait, it isn't because every country only has one commissioner in charge of one area because thats how the commission works
>>75756661
Labours want immigrants because they vote for them.
>>75756660
>>Passing EU laws, together with the Council of the EU, based on European Commission proposals
AKA rubber stamping what comes out of the commission.
>Reviewing the Commission's work programme and asking it to propose legislation
More rubber stamps and occasionally begging them to propose legislation, which they are free to say no to.
>Electing the Commission President and approving the Commission as a body. Possibility of voting a motion of censure, obliging the Commission to resign
So the parliament elects one of them (not the people), the rest of the ones with the real power are appointed. The parliament can make them resign, but only with an overwhelming vote of no confidence, which isn't happening.
>Questioning Commission and Council
P-please s-sir, can I h-have some more?
>>75756510
Almost everyone I see who is voting to remain in the EU is doing so because they don't want the Conservatives to have more power even if they can be voted out, or because they hate UKIP and they think leaving the EU is racist.
>>75756983
>but we elected the government and they decide the commissioner?
But we can't remove the commissioner once he's in place.
> And our commissioner and his team are the only ones that propose laws regarding banking and finance? Is that not unfair to the other 27 countries?
Yes it is you mongoloid.
>>75756824
Yes they can amend it themselves. If the commission disagree with that, the Parliament can stop the law from passing.
The fact that the EP doesn't stop many laws can generally be attributed to the fact that, if a controversial law is to je passed, lobbird will be smart enough to lobby the 2 institutions so that there's no dissent.
>>75757000
there isn't physically enough room, we are the most densely packed country in Europe
>>75757295
>Yes they can amend it themselves. If the commission disagree with that, the Parliament can stop the law from passing.
So the commission can effectively kill any bill or amendment it dislikes? Good to know.
>>75757007
Do you realise the shitstorm it would be if the Commissionner of each country was to be elected by the people? It would be on par with national elections.
Commissioners have a whole code of conduct to respect (few do respect it to the letter, but that's politics for you). Now imagine if one had to be elected, he'd have to promise anything and everything.
Instead, we have a commissioner that is in line with the government that named him. Sounds pretty logical to me.
The EP most often doesn't even need to do a vote to actively use their power of censure. Last time it was used was more than 15 years ago, and the vote didn't even take place, because the Commissioners all resigned the day before the vote. So yes, Parliament definitely has the power to make things happen.
>>75757394
And so can Parliament. Basically, both have to agree.
>>75757737
>Basically, both have to agree.
>unelected technocrats have to agree to laws
inb4 house of lords, the parliament acts exist
>>75756655
I don't think they realise how many Brexit supporters also hate the Tories. Heck, they underestimate how many Tories hate the Tories. Difference is we'd rather have a government that is accountable us even if that pig fucker is at the head of it (not that he would be after the required general election post-Brexit).
>>75756661
Fucking shitlord, don't you realise how many people we could shelter if we concreted over every bit of greenery and made our houses even smaller? We could bring in so many notrapists and notmurderers and all we have to sacrifice is the environment and our quality of life. How could you refuse that? Are you some kind of racist?
>>75757134
I think those people would find any excuse to remain, regardless of whose in government or how close UKIP are to this issue.
Based Dan Hannan lays out what a Remain vote will mean for Britain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmCAnQmqa9U
If anyone supposes voting Remain is somehow the safe, status quo option, they do not understand that the EU is a conveyor belt, a bus bound for a destination called the United States of Europe.
>>75757867
>An international political aggregation of States with different ways should behave just like the UK
The fact remains. The directly elected body can stop any law it wants in its tracks during the legislative process.
>>75757686
>It would be on par with national elections.
Oh deary me! Can't be having that!
>Commissioners have a whole code of conduct to respect (few do respect it to the letter, but that's politics for you).
So it's fucking useless platitudes...
>Now imagine if one had to be elected, he'd have to promise anything and everything.
Not necessarily. Get a load of candidates with various policies, vote for them and one will win at the end.
>Instead, we have a commissioner that is in line with the government that named him. Sounds pretty logical to me.
So instead of a parliament representing various interests, you get one person who represents largely his own and has the ultimate authority. Brilliant.
>The EP most often doesn't even need to do a vote to actively use their power of censure. Last time it was used was more than 15 years ago, and the vote didn't even take place, because the Commissioners all resigned the day before the vote. So yes, Parliament definitely has the power to make things happen.
So the one thing they can do they have done once in 15 years, and that still doesn't change the fact that they have no power to initiate legislation, or repeal existing legislation.
>>75758179
Not good enough, unelected bodies having a veto on lawmaking is fundamentally anti-democratic regardless of the system it is part of. The whole system of the EU is anti-democratic.
>>75758179
But not make any laws or repeal any laws.
>>75747432
It was Great Britain, France and Israel vs the US and everyone else. A little bit of land in Egypt wasn't worth starting shit with the United Nations over
>>75751512
>Immigrants come across channel
>Found and processed
>Sent straight back to France
The jews have no part in this
