>Given his early morning wake-up call last week and the fact that he may now have to get rid of his computers because he can't be sure what the police did to them while he was being questioned outside his apartment, Robinson says he may have to reassess whether it's practical for him to stand on that principle.
Intimidation by the police state. Does anyone care about that or just the asinine election sideshow?
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police
>>70038082
>http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/04/04/472992023/when-a-dark-web-volunteer-gets-raided-by-the-police
>"They were there because I run a Tor exit relay," he says.
very dangerous
>Robinson admits it might be safer, legally, to host the Tor relay on rented space from a commercial Internet service to avoid mingling his personal traffic with Tor, but he says he shouldn't have to.
safer
>>70038082
>"What was upsetting about it was that they should have known," he says. Tor traffic is encrypted. Volunteers can't see its contents, and it doesn't leave a trace after it passes through an exit relay. He says the police seemed to imply that he shared responsibility for what came through his connection. At one point, a detective offered to show him the image, but Robinson refused.
>Tor itself is completely legal
Riiight. Completely legal when you get randomly raided for no provided/justified reason.
>impounding all of Robinson's computers, which the warrant would have allowed
Yeah, sounds like it's "completely legal" to me.
>>70038755
The cognitive dissonance is off the charts.
1) completely legal
2) get raided anytime
3) get equipment impounded
4) get harassed with offensive images
5) completely legal
>hosting an exit from your house
that's like when mootles hosted 4chins from his house.
shit is bound to catch up to you.
>>70038935
actually, pardon me:
The cognitive dissonance is off the charts.
1) completely legal
2) get raided anytime
3) get equipment impounded
4) get harassed with offensive images
5) have spyware planted while you're forced out of the room
6) completely legal
bumping before reading
>>70038986
but the NPR reporter said it's "completely legal"
(smirk)
>>70039476
I mean it is, but that doesn't mean they can't fuck with you or bully/deceive you out of doing it, file charges they know won't stick with mountains of evidence that'll take weeks of trial to clear through.
Which is also legal, because you're gonna have a pretty impossible time proving they knowingly initiated a false charge.
Don't be a personal host for anything unless you can hide it being layers of corps., it just isn't worth it.
>>70039937
intimidation like that, especially when it involves confiscation of one's equipment is clearly the opposite of "completely legal" in the eye of anyone who is even slightly sane
any non-corrupt judge would look at this case and say it's a clear-cut case of police not behaving as if it's "completely legal"
>>70039937
>that doesn't mean they can't fuck with you or bully/deceive you out of doing it, file charges they know won't stick with mountains of evidence that'll take weeks of trial to clear through
harassment is a recognized crime
>>70040701
Not when it's covered by a warrant.
>>70038082
Is that Tito Ortiz' nerdy, more athletic brother?
>>70041009
>Not when it's covered by a warrant.
Sure. Let's just pretend that warrants make everything Hitler did legal.
If a rubber stamp kangaroo court says it's OK it must be legal!
>>70041261
I mean, yeah it is.
That doesn't make it right, but that's how it works.
Nothing surprising here. Once again, fucking degenerates ruin everything. Fuck those dumbass pedophiles. They should all be lined up and shot. They're the ones that got the Russian government to take down dvatch, and now the US government uses them as a scapegoat to raid anonymity. Fuck them. Everywhere they go, they bring trouble, and police.
>>70040589
is this trolling? i honestly can't tell anymore.
>>70041830
Only a fascist would say that.
Go back to licking his boot.
>>70041390
No, it's not.
If a constitution says something and people swear to abide by it it doesn't just disappear if they choose to ignore it.
>>70041616
Don't breed. Once again we can see why Eugenics has its merits.
>>70042581
The constitution is the foundation of the law that enables them to do this.
That still doesn't make it right, but they have the power to act in this way.
It is completely legal, but since our government is absolutely shit tier at understanding how computers and the internet works this is the result.
His computer is bugged now, no doubt about that. Sell it on Ebay and buy a used one through friends so it can't be bugged during shipping.
>>70042994
No, flouting the constitution allows them to do this.
Your belief that whatever the police state does is supported by the constitution is humorous.
>>70043104
>Sell it on Ebay and buy a used one through friends so it can't be bugged during shipping.
And then get raided again.
The irony of all this, of course, is that it's all designed to make people think TOR is anything other than a spook honeypot.
>>70043104
>since our government is absolutely shit tier at understanding how computers and the internet works
No, it's because the courts are packed with authoritarians
That was Obama's litmus test for Supreme Court nominees. It had nothing to do with gay marriage, abortion, or whatever fanciful distractions people think he and his people care about.
It was all about executive power. They want the courts packed with people who think government can do anything it wants to people — with people having no power at all.
This is why Obama actually gave a speech advocating "indefinite preventative detention" — locking people up forever for crimes they're yet to commit.
The same thing analysts thought George W. Bush was likely to try to promote before he left office.
>>70038755
m80 are you saying the arrest is illegal (with the sarcasm) or the tor?
I think you misread what he said: TOR is legal.
>>70043123
That's not my opinion, that is their opinion.
Their interpretation of the constitution is the one that matters, not yours or mine.
>>70043856
Interpretation doesn't count when the language is clearly stated.
>>70043123
>>70042994
>>70042628
I think there are some rulings on this somewhere about vexatious litigation or charges?
Maybe you guys could look for them?
>>70043212
Thankfully 'only' a few hundred thousand machines have been bugged since they started doing this.
>>70043819
>are you saying the arrest is illegal (with the sarcasm) or the tor?
>I think you misread
You're the one who hasn't been reading. Read the article and get back to me.
>>70043462
>independent justice system
>leader nominates top court judges and you vote for prosecutors
Pick one, American.
>>70042628
Wow dude, I can feel the edgy teenager vibes emitting from you. You're probably a big nihilistic individualist and lolbertarian fag as well. This guy got raided by the cops because they found child porn running through his shit. Everywhere these faggots go, everywhere they post, they attract attention, and provide justification for cops to knock down the doors of men who provide anonymous Internet for us. Dumbass faggot.
>>70044006
You need to tell that to a judge, not me.
>>70044239
save the buffoonery for /b/
>>70038755
>Riiight. Completely legal when you get randomly raided for no provided/justified reason.
Running a Tor relay is legal, child porn isn't. It's reasonable to at least investigate him for the crime. Stop spazzing out autist.
>>70044472
Stop posting BS. Anyone with a shred of a brain knows that they can claim they found something whenever they want to.
Not only that, if you had bothered to read the article you would have understood that the traffic is encrypted so they had no real way of finding it in the first place.
Finally, if he had been guilty they would have taken his stuff and arrested him.
You are a fraud or an idiot.
>>70038986
Won't all exits eventually be monitored? They'll just start working backwards from there as they shut nodes down.
>>70044457
Okay. I assume you have autism. You didn't put up any argument against my anti-pedo rants. Just ad hom bullshit. At least my idea of banning pedos from free speech, anonymous systems would work, and would remove most police excuses when raiding Tor hosters. All you can do is make shitty threads and whine and complain about muh pigs and muh authoritarianism
>>70045091
keep being irrelevant and inane
>>70044757
I didn't say he was guilty, I said it was reasonable for them investigate.
>>70045471
It's always reasonable, especially when they impound all his stuff like the warrant said they could.
Very reasonable!
>>70044757
Exit traffic isn't encrypted, that's just simply incorrect. In fact, plenty of exits maliciously change traffic or skim credentials. (Used to be more common when people didn't use TLS to check email.)
Mixing his personal traffic with Tor exit traffic is a great way to get raided. Otherwise everyone doing something illegal would just host a Tor exit node and say "it wunt me!"
>>70045775
Uh, yes, if it has child porn on it. But your very own article state they didn't seize shit, pretty reasonable huh?
>>70046015
Ssshhh, you're going to make him spaz out.
>>70045471
>I didn't say he was guilty, I said it was reasonable for them investigate.
Why don't you explain how it's reasonable to investigate encrypted traffic without arresting the person?
1) they claim they found an image, somehow
2) traffic is encrypted, he doesn't see it
3) they didn't arrest him
Sorry, bud. None of it adds up.
>>70044843
>Won't all exits eventually be monitored? They'll just start working backwards from there as they shut nodes down.
It's a honeypot anyway
>>70046134
Are you a fucking idiot? Exit traffic is not encrypted. And if it is (i.e. exiting to a TLS site), they may have compromised the site and seen what he was doing. Or if the site is pure CP then simply connecting enough to it might be enough. Traffic analysis as well (look at when he sends data to CP site, check CP site for new uploads approx that size).
Shit's not hard.
Is there some way to make a darknet that allows you to pirate and buy drugs but not secure enough for like terrorist shit and pedos?
I mean if the TPP or something like it passes, every single pirate and drug dealer is going completely darknet and make it even harder to find real criminals.
>>70046134
>Why don't you explain how it's reasonable to investigate encrypted traffic without arresting the person?
I don't know, I didn't see the warrant in question. I imagine they had enough probable cause to display to a judge that both illegal activity was occurring/had occurred and that there would be more evidence at the individual's address.
>1) they claim they found an image, somehow
And?
>2) traffic is encrypted, he doesn't see it
Cool, and they still had to investigate it to make sure he isn't a pedo just running a tor exit relay as an alibi.
>3) they didn't arrest him
Yeah, because of the investigation they did resulted them in not finding evidence to arrest.
Jesus Christ a search warrant is not an immediate call for arrest you fucking idiot. The guy mentioned a relay being like a post office, and guess what? If the police were investigating child porn being sent through the mail, at some point they are going to look at the post offices that said pictures went through.
>>70046440
Explain why his stuff wasn't impounded and why he wasn't arrested
Or continue to shitpost
>>70046767
You're the idiot.
It said they could impound all his equipment.
Why didn't they?
to the bootlickers, if its not legal, then why was he raided?
>>70046797
Because after the investigation they found that he wasn't likely a pedo? That without said investigation, which included in this case enacting a search warrant, they wouldn't have been able to clear/further him as a suspect?
Are you retarded?
>>70046866
Because they understood how Tor works and decided to be accommodating?
>>70046934
Because they had reason to believe that a crime occurred and evidence could be seized? What about this concept are you not understanding?
>>70038082
>"security" "volunteer"
>using computers with USB ports or other physical vulnerabilities
pleb
>>70047192
so what was it
>>70047561
What was what?
>>70047561
>>70047614
Do you mean the crime? Again, I didn't see the warrant, but I'm guessing either possession or distribution of child porn.
>>70046797
Uh, do you not know what an investigation is for?
This isn't Japan where they only check into stuff after being 99% sure a crime happened (to juke the stats).
>>70048145
Fucking this.
>>70043104
>his computer is bugged now
This is complete bullshit, unless the guy was running the exit node on a Windows system, he should be able to just wipe and reinstall whatever distro the Tor relay had been running on.
>>70038082
Tor exit relays are where traffic going through the Tor network exit the network and appear on the normal web, they are the last hop which connects the 2, traffic here unless encrypted before entering Tor is in the clear and can be monitored by both the exit relay and the ISP that relays uses, as well as the feds etc.
A lot of people use Tor to do bad things and so the exit nodes create a huge amount of illegal traffic from an IP address tied to your name.
it's a legit concern that someone runnign an exit node might use the other illegal traffic to hide their own in, that's probably not what happened here. Someone smart enough to configure a Tor exit node and understand what it means would be able to hide their own illegal traffic.
>>70050064
>Someone smart enough to configure a Tor exit node and understand what it means would be able to hide their own illegal traffic.
More than likely, yeah, still reasonable to at least investigate, despite what autist-OP thinks.
>>70039937
>He actually believes the state bringing false charges is legal.
>inb4 well you can't stop tyranny!
>>70046015
>Exit traffic isn't encrypted, that's just simply incorrect.
Erm, actually exit traffic maintains any level of encryption it enters the Tor network with, so if you're using SSL/TLS tunnels for say browsing (https) or encrypted email (smtps) then it can't be read at the exit node.
You can only skim/modify plain text traffic.
