I can't say how I know this. The Hillary campaign is contracting out an independent pollster to poll on a scenario where Hillary refuses to debate Donald Trump. I'm certain of this. Also I don't know what is going through the head of Hillary or her campaign but I can speculate. From this point on is speculation---Hillary is considering not debating Trump at all and weighing the pros and cons of whether it's better to go to debates against him or just take a hit and not go. Obviously she would have to invent some kind of plausible excuse to defend her choice to not do them; maybe something Trump says which she can take offence or along those lines. Also this isn't reliable and I'm not sure about it but I've heard that her staff is worried about her height and Trump's height the two standing next to each other. Hillary is short and Trump has a domineering stature and they don't want Hillary to seen side by side with him.
>>74712283
evidence?
>>74712379
No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people.
Pretty smart of her, this would be a worse slaughter than 9 nixon vs kennedy debates
>>74712333
I just said I can't tell you how I know. Believe it or not.
I've said this over a month ago on the_donald. You didn't get shit from the campaign staff.
This would make her look INCREDIBLY weak, he'd shred her online and she'd lose in an even bigger landslide than anticipated, almost hoping this is true.
>>74712283
Yeah opting out of debates is a really bad idea for a presidential canidate. Pretty much screams that your insecure on your stances and cant verbally defend them.
I don't know if the height thing would be an issue. She's a woman so her height compared to Trump doesn't really matter. Besides, anyone who would consider voting for Shillary isn't going to care that she is shorter than Trump. If she was a man it would be a different story.
He would just go to the debate anyway and get free media
>>74712283
wow I am now a #Trumpeteer
>>74712283
>I can't say how I know this.
You damn well better explain it, otherwise you're merely trying to use /pol/ to float the idea for her like a shill.
>>74712379
looks at flag
yep. shitposter.
>>74712379
>>74712439
>>74712604
>>74712827
Australia I...
>>74712283
>Obviously she would have to invent some kind of plausible excuse to defend her choice to not do them
She will claim he is "mansplaining" and he's a sexist/racist/misogynist and her vagina.
Also, in her crackly old voice, she will. claim some more bullshit (e.g. named after Edmund Hillary, sniper fire, etc.) and Trump will beat her like the dead horse she is.
>>74712827
4 Australians in a row, who would've guessed
>>74712931
But it's true, No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people
>>74712283
>offence
ya blew it
>>74712509
LEL
TOP
CAKE
>>74712827
That's sounds like something a shill would say!
No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people.ש
>>74712283
believable because she has a blood clot but i doubt it will happen.
expect to see at least 1 debate.
>>74712283
Trump should have an actress repeating Shillary talking points who he can debate against.
>>74712283
I really see this happening. She only has to lose debating Donald.
>>74713040
You're a big goy
Memes aside, how tall is Shillary?
>>74712283
Hillary is scared because no one, no one, no one, has ever called her on her bullshit.
No one has ever really told her she's responsible for all the shit she's done.
Trump would go out there and say that the refugee crisis is her fault, because she felt the need to take out Qaddaffi and Assad merely to pad her credibility so she could say that women can go to war just like men. So she could appear tough. Only she failed and Europe is fucked as a result.
He could call her out on taking millions and millions from countries where gays are executed.
He could bring up how she laughed about defending a rapist of a 12 year old.
There's just SO much shit and you know Trump has researched ALL of it. He's had his oppo guys showing this shit to him on flashcards so he has instant recollection of every single time Hillary did something the American public would find reprehensible.
And the worst thing for her, if Trump talks about it, the media HAS to talk about it, even if in an attempt to defend her.
If trump brings up the 12 year old rape victim story, that will be an entire media cycle.
And Hillary can't have that.
I think not debating Trump at all might be the wiser choice when you think of all that.
It's not just what Trump would say. It's that the media would be forced to report on what Trump says.
And it would all make Hillary look like a demon.
>>74712283
Can't someone swat Hillary?
>>74712283
Its obvious she would be destroyed in a debate with Trump. Its obvious her only choice is not to go. I think Bill will conveniently die or be hospitalized giving her an out.
No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people.
>>74713140
lik 5'4 so trump is liek a foot taller
>>74713140
4'9"
>>74712994
And the moon landings were faked.
>>74713140
5'8", same height as Rand Paul
>>74713140
She's between 5'2" and 5'5". Maybe a straight up 5'. No one really knows - I shit you not.
>>74713039
No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people
>>74713140
3'7"
can we please blanket ban aus ips?
>>74712283
Well, Crooked Hillary refused to debate Senile Sanders, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities.
Refusing to debate would make her look (more) weak and ineffectual. Trump would look presidential: he was willing to show up to talk, but Clinton ran away with her tail between her legs. There is basically no scenario where not debating makes her look good, so I guess the question is: is looking like a coward worse than getting brutally raped by Trump on stage?
I mean, the fact that people are already framing these debates as Hillary needing to be worried and on the defense really tells me the election is over.
>>74713294
rand was 5'4"
just compare him to the 5'8" cruz
>>74712509
ill choose 'not' to be quite honest
>>74713039
No one is paid to shill for hillary. It is a republican funded lie. She has nothing but grassroot support everywhere she goes. She is the future
>>74712814
if that was the case then jeb would have won
>>74713357
There is no possible positive outcome from her going to the debates. They are right before the election. She won't go, just watch.
>>74712283
Well. I believe it.
I'm sure they're running every possible scenario and approach to handle Donald Trump, this doesn't mean much. "Debates" with Donald Trump are really just a series of headline-grabbing insults. He doesn't understand actual policy well enough to debate it, but does anyone even care? His twitter feed is headline news every other day. So I can see why they'd try to avoid giving him even more headlines. I don't think they will be able to though, she'll have to debate him at least 3 times.
>>74713497
Jeb was goofy as fuck though.
The only way Crooked Hillary can get out of the debate is if Rapin' Bill was shot in the head and kill on live TV, that is, to spin it into the "how dare Drumpf attack a poor, grieving widow at a time like this."
hillary is around 4ft10, source im a set 5ft tall and and her eeys were lower than mine
>>74713497
I'm not saying the tallest candidate necessarily wins, just that being short shouldn't be a problem for a female candidate like it is for manlet politicians (Rand Paul, for example). Besides, I think Trump and Yeb are about the same height. I'm basing that off the webm of them standing next to each other before a debate.
>mfw all the Australians in this thread got banned
This makes sense.
I think Trump would crush her mentally, but also physically.
She's sick and weak. Which is why her meetings are less than 20 minutes long.
Trump would make sure to raise her blood pressure, and she would have one of her coughing fits in front of the nation.
Just to be clear. I never said Hillary won't go to debates against Trump. I just said her campaign is considering it. Her campaign contracting out a pollster on a possible scenario of it and doing A/B tests on it.
Daily reminder that Bill Clinton will die just before the general election.
>>74713614
He would shred her on her own policy, and it isn't the insults she is afraid of. She is afraid of the debate basically becoming a prosecution of her various crimes, Trump is not afraid to go there. She won't even make denials after Trump calls her husband a rapist, how will it look if she has nothing to say on stage when he is directly questioning her? She can't teleprompt a defense to direct attacks on her various indiscretions in the past.
Either way she's fucked.
It would be a huge mistake.
Trump would shitpost all day every day on Twitter about how much of a pussy she is for refusing to debate him. He will literally get elected on that alone.
I hope she's dumb enough to risk it. And I suspect she probably is.
>mfw not only is there a strong chance of Trump becoming president, but a strong possibility of him becoming president without having to do anything at all
>>74712283
I want to believe.
>>74713713
It's a problem because of human nature. People naturally see someone taller as a better leader or protector, especially women. It's makes sense as something her campaign would consider. She would look so meek standing next to Trump towering over, asking her about the emails, benghazi, covering up Bill's rapes, or her litany of other crimes.
>>74713040
Is that a menorah at the end of your post?
>>74712283
>mfw they have the "debates" anyway and give Trump his own multi-episode 2 hour Q&A series where he sits on a comfy couch by a fire and talks to the nation.
OP, if you're not a lying shitposting faggot, and you're actually close to the campaign in some way, you need to push this as hard as you can. You need to tell everyone you know that you think it's a brilliant idea.
>>74713614
Nadie se paga a mentir por Hillary. Es una mentira perpetrada por los grupos de reflexión republicanos para influir sobre las personas.
>>74714070
Hillary is beating herself. Trump's just having fun at this point.
>>74713984
>Trump
>policy
BUILD WALL!
BRING BACK ERRR JOBS!
TAXES ARE BAD!
lulz
>>74714176
This sounds like heaven.
>>74713798
So then push her harder and run meetings in areas where the air conditioning isn't working.
>>74714217
I mean, just think about it for a second.
Trump is so intimidating, that his mere presence makes his enemies not want to fight him.
If he gets elected without debating Hillary, he will be confirmed for God Emperor Meme Master of All Time.
There's no way Hillary can win in this scenario
>Hillary debates Trump
>gets BTFO
>Hillary doesn't debate Trump and minimizes her public appearances
>Trump shits all over her on Twitter every day and basically walks right into the Oval Office without doing anything
What a time to be alive.
>>74712283
>Hillary is considering not debating Trump at all
That's what I was thinking to myself a few weeks ago. She can just say to not go. there's no rules saying they have to debate right?
It'd be a death knell for her.
>>74713950
Assuming you are legit, how scared are they? What do the internals say?
>>74714070
>ahead of schedule and underbudget
Why are there still hillary votes when Trump exists!
>>74714436
Yeah I'm sure Putin will back down when Trump starts a twitter war with him
Everyone knows Trump's tweets are out of control bro
>>74714282
> Reduce taxes
> Re-Institute Tariffs
sounds like a win-win desu
>>74712931
>australian shitposting.png
Good one, but you forget one explanatory factor - straya is one big open-air prison that got independence from the UK when it became too expensive to try to keep any sort of control over the animals. The guards came home and the continent was abandoned entirely to the inmates.
>>74713140
a little less than 1.1 shapiros
>>74714580
Oh hi Correct the Record.
>>74714580
Oh yeah. I get it. Cause the guy that destroyed 16 other political powerhouses (well, 15, sorry ben, but good try) in live debates is only threatening over the internet. You're a real brilliant guy!
>>74714580
everyone knows that deep down, even the most hardened ruskies cannot handle bantz
>>74712283
This is actually quite plausible. Hillary knows she is going to get schlonged in the debates.
I would imagine though that this would guarantee a Trump victory though. Nobody has ever chickened out of a general election debate.
>>74712283
>wymyn
>muh vagina
gollygeez, this is feninitely news.
>>74714782
This is basically a lose/lose situation for Hillary.
The only card she can play at this point is pretending to be sick with cancer or something for sympathy points so she can back out of the debates.
But then Trump will just say she's weak and unfit to lead.....Sad!
She's basically fucked from every angle.
>>74712379
>>74712439
>>74712604
>>74712827
>>74712994
>>74713007
>>74713040
>>74713078
>>74713097
>>74713231
>Hillary's campaign paid a million for online shills
Kek. Money well spent, $hillary.
>>74712724
Debating him is likely to make her look even weaker, though.
>>74712283
>Hillary is considering not debating Trump at all
No shit.
You would have to be literally brain dead to not see this coming.
>>74714689
>it's real
fucking kek
>>74714955
Her only hope would be to BTFO trump in the debates, but that's so antithetical to her very personality that it's basically unthinkable. The only ass pull possibility there is is if she could pull some political judo and make herself look to be a victim under trumps "bullying." That said, it didn't work for anyone else in the Republican primary, so it'd be a massive, unreliable hail mary.
>>74713769
>Facism
Canadian intellectuals
>>74712283
STRAWPOLL
CAST YOUR VOTES
http://www.strawpoll.me/10277628
>>74712283
my guess is something is gonna "happen" to bill before the debates and she will use it as an excuse
trump will call her out for it and call her a coward and the lugenpresse will jump on him for it
the people will see right through it and elect him as god emperor
screenshot this
It's funny when people talk about how formidable Hillary is. I don't see it. She's a terrible campaigner. Just awful at it. She can barely beat an 80 year old Marxist-Leninist. Every single word that comes out of her mouth is obviously poll tested and reheared/read from a teleprompter. Her image is that of an almost cartoonish depiction of a corrupt, seedy political villain character. And she has not yet figured out a way to combat that perception. And this is her SECOND presidential run!
Trump
s going to wipe the floor with this incompetent bitch. She's just the Democrat Jeb. Not even. Jeb was more formidable than she is.
>>74715130
She only has the woman card to play. She'll use that to victimize herself.
The rest will depend on how american women interpret it.
this shit actually happened in my country
>Peronist candidate decided to go for it
>55%+ show in polls pre debate
>Goes to debate
>-48%
hehe
>>74713297
why the fuck is that information being suppressed holy shit
>>74714134
Prime-time televised Presidential debates function differently once the nominee is chosen. The general audience is very mature as are the candidates. Clapping is usually saved for later. I think Clinton knows she can't defend herself onstage and not seem shrill. That woman tends to lose her composure quite easily. Keep in mind that the big loser of any debates, all debates is the man who has a red hot face. Just my .02c
>>74712283
The height thing is real. The taller candidate usually always wins. One of those human psychology things.
>night of the debate
>Trump shows up, Hillary nowhere to be found
>Wolf Blitzer chatting with Trump
>"Where do you think she is?"
>"I don't know. Maybe in the bathroom. It's disgusting."
>audience laughs
>Trump already wins the debate
>Hillary finally stumbles out after 10 minutes with bloodshot and baggy eyes and a JUST haircut
>"S-sorry."
>"Glad you can join us, Hillary. Delete the last of your emails?"
>audience is rolling in the floor with convulsive laughter
>Hillary cackles her witch laugh as a defense mechanism
>"Well no one can accuse you of being low energy, Hillary."
What if trump just randomly showed up to a democratic debate between the burnout and Hillary? If she doesn't want to debate, he would just go to her and catch her on the spot. If she leaves at that moment, trump would just destroy her and call her out in not debating in the spot
>>74715242
Her only supporters are niggers and soccer moms.
Neither of which are going to come out to vote this year.
Has such a thing ever happened in history?
We've always had debates, even going back to the 1700's.
In fact I always thought the debates were required as some sort of integral part of the democratic process
This is ridiculous. But it might actually work if Hillary can come up with a good enough justification. The problem is, the media is going to savage her over this. She will be cheating them out of millions of dollars and the greatest show ever seen on TV. The climax of the storyline of the presidential campaign. The media executives will be furious, and without them on her side she's toast.
But realistically this might be her best bet. She'll take a hit in the polls, but it will probably be less than the hit she takes if she actually does the debates.
>>74712724
>she'd lose in an even bigger landslide than anticipated
Literally what has anticipated a Hillary loss?
Trump isn't going to win you stupid faggot, and neither is Bernie. It fucking sucks but it's reality.
>>74712283
>refuse to debate Trump
>Trump continues getting hours of earned media every week
Winning strategy idiots. GO RIGHT AHEAD
>>74715297
so much money going on here folks
>>74715242
At least Jeb had the balls to take on Trump, to go after him, to stand up for himself. He kept fighting even after taking all those beating from Trump. Hillary just shrivels when exposed to any sort of criticism at all. She cannot go up against Trump in any sort of debate. She doesn't have the mental strength to do so.
>>74712814
It's subconscious. Americans will have to choose their next leader for the next 4 years. By instincts, we will always follow the alpha first.
I know someone in the Trump team.
Believe me, don't believe me, but Trump is 10 steps ahead of her.
>>74715467
Literally explain how and don't use "THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED MAAAAAN".
Give explicit examples and reasoning for your statement.
Go on, I'll be waiting.
>>74715600
This. Yeb was reduced to a meme, but give him credit where credit is due - he didn't bitch out and run away when confronted by Trump. Pretty damning for Shillary that Yeb is tougher than her and he was still blown the fuck out by Trump.
This scenario is like the Persians vs. the Greeks
The Greeks were always having battles amongst themselves. So they developed a well tuned war machine. They had experience, strategy and tactics developed over a hundred years of constant warfare.
Thus when the Persians attacked, the Greeks demolished them. Although the Persians had the larger force, they just couldn't contend with the well-practiced Greeks
Hillary has never been in a serious confrontation on her campaign. Meanwhile Trump has climbed to the top over the blood spattered bodies of his defeated enemies.
When the two finally clash, the result is clear.
>>74712724
this sennest of the pais.
quite frankly, even if Hillary refused to debate him in person, there is no reason she could not debate him online or through letters.
If Hillary did this I foresee Donald Trump challenging her to a series of Op-Eds or something along those lines.
Or maybe he'd just ask for an email correspondence in which major media institutions or persons were CC'ed.
>>74712283
Daily reminder that no one is being paid to shill for Hillary. It's a republican-funded lie and a pathetic attempt to smear her campaign.
>>74715252
Didn't your current president get in because of her husbands conveniently timed death as well?
>>74715868
0% chance Shillary would be the one giving/typing the responses if they had an email debate
>>74714580
Yeah, because negotiations among sovereign nations are the same as the meme contests for votes from brainless masses.
You are a child if you think you win negotiations with other countries just by acting scary. It's all about leverage, legal mechanism and mutual interests.
>>74715863
Would you say her experience back in 08 would have any effect, however small and/or unlikely?
>>74715730
No, I'd like to see your evidence that Trump is anticipated to win to begin with.
Stat, faggot.
In a word. Ruinous. No one who wants to lead this great country should cower from the historical presidential debates. It would drive contempt through the roof against hillary. I cant believe she has the audacity to not argue for her country.
Are there any Roger Stone like tactics we can use to shame her into a debate?
We could send protestors to her rallies to shout at her for obstructing the democratic process.
Call her "frightened Hillary"
Trump tweet:
>"If Hillary's too scared to debate me, how can she handle ISIS? Sad!"
>>74716050
I didn't pay attention to the Dem debates, I was busy cheering Ron Paul
> I've heard that her staff is worried about her height and Trump's height the two standing next to each other. Hillary is short and Trump has a domineering stature and they don't want Hillary to seen side by side with him.
WOMANLETS, WHEN WILL THEY LEARN
>>74716062
How delusional are you? There is zero chance of a Hillary presidency anymore.
>>74712283
Dear Baby Jesus,
Please make this happen.
>>74712283
Marcus and Jazzhands mentioned this on FTN
If She goes to the debates she will just stand there talking about her shitty policies and mention that Trump has no experience, is dangerous and hates women. I dont think you can adress the other candidate directly so trump will have to talk to the public. He will bring up her scandals and every time she will say 'I'm not going to respond to the ridiculous allegations of a racist, I'm a serious candidate so have a peice of this shitty policy and let me finish by hammering that women need equal pay for equal work'. Will that work...?
>Also I don't know what is going through the head of Hillary or her campaign but I can speculate.
Ok. Now get out.
>>74712283
She's arrogant enough that this wouldn't surprise me. She barely won the primary against some doddering old literal who from mapleland despite rigging it and having full media support. She's fucking done in the general regardless of what she pulls. Should have taken her lessons from 08 to heart and not ran again desu.
>>74713297
She'll show up with stilts to not look weak.
>>74712283
She wants you to believe she is strong enough to take on Putin and the Chinese and ISIS. But she is such a coward she is too frightened to debate Trump.
Pathetic!
>>74716241
[citation needed]
Are all trumptards this delusional?
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
Even if somehow Hillary was shot or arrested, you'd be WORSE off.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders
>inb4 huffington
It's an aggregate of polls and reliable.
Feelz !> realz, faggot.
>>74716062
Tiada siapa yang dibayar kepada penjudi untuk Hillary. Ia satu pembohongan yang dilakukan oleh pemikir Republikan untuk mempengaruhi orang.
>>74713141
Nah, I can see it now "Trump uses rape of 12 year old to further his own campaign" then in the article they'd bend the facts like a straw.
Trump shouldn't attack her past misdeeds (nobody cares about emails, Benghazi, etc.), but rather how she flip flops, lies, and keep saying she stole her candidacy from Bernie.
>>74716386
Don't speak Bahasa; english please.
"I don't feel that the American people need to hear a debate against racism/____phobia"
Wouldn't help her out I don't think. Huffpo reader comments are like 50/50 for and against Clinton.
It is sort of an interesting scenario, but I don't think it'll happen.
>>74714580
#correcttherecord
>>74716386
>goes to google translate
>No one is being paid to shill for Hillary
>shill is a word in bahasa
>>74712283
Me and my dad predicted this would happen.
She'd go down easier than Yeb!
>>74715373
You think she would show up to a televised debate without any intention of debating? And Trump would be there too for some reason?
>>74713140
her height, it is the meme.
>>74712283
It's her only way to win.
The anti-establishment voters she needs to win won't flip over her attacking someone.
>>74714689
MANLET
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>>74715126
kek, I feel bad for him desu. I'd want to hug him but I don't want his face near my crotch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uFmv22ghzQw
We can start using this song against Shillary or Hillet
kek i hope this is true, trump will unleash hell on her for that,
>>74716262
>Will that work?
Not at all. If Hillary tried to wiggle her way out of answering Trump's allegations, Trump will harangue for being a crooked politician.
She must respond sooner or later. You'll most likely see her fully respond to the sexual assault shit within the end of the month.
>>74713451
Hey, he gets up to a respectable 5'7'' when he's wearing his pseudo-cowboy boots and doing that tippytoe thing for photos that shorter folks do.
Fuck sake, he may be Diet Ron Paul ™, but I still had hope.
You know, until I saw all of the candidates lined up on the debate stage together.
Knew there was no hope.
Ah well, forward the cause of the God-Emperor!
>>74714580
I doubt that. I believe Trump and Putin are going to be bros and every friendly banter will fortify their relationship
>>74716485
>Trump shouldn't bring up the emails or Benghazi or other past scandals.
wew lad. Don't ever run a campaign.
>>74716262
No, her style of "debate" will not win over the segment of the population that she needs to. If anything, it would push them further away.
>>74717169
>Putin and Trump twitter wars
What a time to be alive
>>74712283
Well, it would make sense. Her campaign strategy up until this point has been to appear in public as little as possible. The more people are exposed to her the less support she will receive. Trump is magnetic while Hillary is poisonous to her own campaign.
Even if she could win a debate with Trump she would likely lose support because she's not personable enough. I kind of figured she would weasel out of it or attempt to divert attention from it.
If you are part of her campaign you're really slow on the uptake. This isn't news, people have known this for a long time.
>>74716357
So what? Youre obviously just trolling since you linked huffpo & used that gay catchphrase but regardless she's a female Mitt Romney. She may seem to poll well when the right pools of people are asked but that doesn't hide the truth that she's completely unlikable, has gigantic closets full skeletons, and almost no actual accomplishments. It doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows. She lost control of the narrative long ago, and she's beginning to lose the race now too, and its not even summer yet
By the way I never said I supported trump. You can't write off reality as the opinion of your enemy forever.
>>74715523
Trump should just start repeating that he believes that Hillary is going to try to find ways to avoid a debate with him because she knows she's gonna get trounced.
This way when she actually tries to weasel out of it it will hurt her a lot more and eventually she'll feel like she'll have no choice but to accept it and she'll do it starting from a position of weakness. Or she'll just have to pretend that she was always fine with debating him and forcing her hand is good too.
>>74717237
Incredible times are ahead of us my friend
>>74717301
>FUCK YOUR CITATION OF A CREDIBLE SOURCE MY FEELZ TELL ME THAT TRUMP WILL WIN DESPITE LITERALLY ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY JUST ASK THIS WEATHERMAN WITH THE EXTRA CHROMOSOME WHO WRITES GOOD NARRATIVE FICTION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
He isn't going to win.
>>74717403
lol. I hope you can swim because you're going to be riding that sinking ship for awhile. We'll see what happens in November but somehow I don't think I'll be suprised~
>>74717403
He even said he didn't support Trunp you retard fuck you are annoying
Sometimes I have a dream where John McAfee crashes the presidential debates, and begins solemnly reading a list of Clinton associates, bodyguards, attornies, campaign staff that have committed "suicide" by multiple gunshots to their own head.
Or you know, the fella that locked himself in a duffle-bag, padlocked from the outside in a suicide.
The nutty motherfucker gets up there and just starts reading
...Ron Brown, former DNC chairman. Vince Foster, Deputy Whitehouse Counsel. Admiral Jeremy Boorda, Chief of Naval Operations. And my personal favorite, Gareth Williams, MI6 Agent.
Not to mention the fucking bokous of Marines, private bodyguards, and other .mil staff that seem to have a real problem with crashing into mountains with little or no retrieved evidence.
It is a good dream.
I figured she might be weighting the pros and cons of debating Trump already.
My guess is that Bill Clinton is going to become hospitalized some time after she gets the nomination.
She's fucked though. She can do polls and weigh the options, but the average voter will see her decision to not debate as weakness, only her most diehard supporters will be okay with abstaining from any debates, but they're pretty few and far between, despite what her propagandizing is trying to display.
Her psychopathy has finally caught up to her, she's painted herself into a corner.
>>74714475
Could Trump use this? If she refuses to debate at all, it means he can just say whatever he wants and she has to take it or rebutt him ineffectually ("Say it to my face, Hillary, you don't get to be President by hiding from the truth.")
>>74717403
>I can't see a trend in that polling data
>>74713299
>No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people
>>74713496
>No one is paid to shill for hillary. It is a republican funded lie. She has nothing but grassroot support everywhere she goes. She is the future
>>74713040
>No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people.ש
>>74713231
>No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people.
>>74712439
>No one is paid to shill for Hillary. It is a lie perpetrated by Republican think tanks to sway people.
Guys, who do I believe, the people saying it is democratic think tanks who are doing it or republican think tanks doing it, I am so confused.
If this keeps up I am going to start believing the damned Emu's and Koala's are colluding again.
>>74717490
Yes we will. I don't think I'll be surprised either, but the difference between us is that I have facts and reason backing up my expectation.
>>74717723
Never change Australia.
>>74717403
I've got absolutely no love for anyone that was in the running for the GOP, Dems, Libertarians, GOD FORBID the Greens. I've got no real candidate for my views. I do not support Trump vehemently as most around here do.
But bud, you can't expect anyone with a couple brain cells to rub together to accept the Huffington fucking Post as a credible source of anything but absolute booty-chatter.
Its akin to the average voter (read: jackass) viewing their preferred polarized mainstream media outlet (Fox/MSNBC/etc) and taking their polls as gospel.
>>74717403
So did Hillary outsource for her internet troll army?
Foreigners should worry about a Hillary presidency. Her foreign policy record is abhorrent.
>>74717600
Well then maybe you should get your eyesight checked.
>>74717757
How depressing is it to have to do this for a candidate you no doubt hate in order to feed yourself? Why not just die?
>>74715600
If jeb wasn't such a autistic dork he could have till been in the race. Hillary is evil and surprisingly weak.
>>74717782
It's not a fucking article. It's an entirely factually based aggregate of polls represented on a graph. Maybe if you actually checked it you wouldn't look like an idiot.
>>74717821
>So did Hillary outsource for her internet troll army?
>thinking that's an argument
>Foreigners should worry about a Hillary presidency. Her foreign policy record is abhorrent.
Where did I say I supported Hillary? I just know she's going to win.
>>74712283
>>74712509
>>74712333
I've considered this exact possibility for a few weeks, it's definitely plausible.
She doesn't have the truth on her side, and debating Trump head to head will hurt her, since her entire platform is pandering and lies.
>>74717852 (You)
>>74712283
>refuses to debate Trump
Holy fuck she's running scared lol. If she runs away from Trump she's done, everyone will say she's a scared little bitch and he'll never let up with the attacks.
>>74717961
if she refuses to debate, she might as well concede
trump will shit fury over her and she will die from it, mark my words
>>74717940
Lol. Jesus Christ pajeet get a real job
>>74717940
>I just know she's going to win.
How do you know that?
>>74717779
I shall not good sir!
>>74712509
Honestly I don't care if you're full of shit, this is an interesting discussion to have.
>>74718060
With the polling evidence that I cited? Better yet, and I'm still waiting for this, since none of you have produced such, what evidence do you have to the contrary?
>>74718037 (You)
>>74717977
God that sucks for you that you couldn't rub three brain cells together to think a real insult. Sorry your mom tried to flush you out using the stuff inside thermometers. Does it suck when the nurses wipe your bum bum?
>>74718018
Oh I certainly hope so, but I wanted to see her live facial reactions to said shitting of fury.
>>74717940
>i just know
Is this really your argument? Really? You've been BTFO multiple times and you have not produced a single rebuttal. Your comes come across as an incomprehensible word salad of liberal hysterics.
Can you take a moment to step back from the keyboard and see how retarded and hysterical you look here?
>>74718060
because some CNN pundit named ShlomoSteinberg told him so.
>>74718117
>thinking that's an argument
This is why America needs free higher education, you should have fucking voted Sanders.
>>74718113
>Huffington post
What's it like to not have a dick?
>>74716357
>>74717403
>>74717940
>>74718113
>>74717977
I wish I could get to see your face in November.
>>74715724
I'm ON the Trump team, can confirm.
>>74718176
Implying fagostan is relevant in the world at large at all
>>74718176
>This is why America needs free higher education
American education isn't the problem, it's the huge numbers of niggers and spics infesting it.
>you should have fucking voted Sanders.
Nah, I'd rather vote for someone who will actually address the biggest problem the nation has ever faced (mass third world immigration).
She wont go on Fox. Each of the shitty msm needs a debate. If she wont go on Fox she should be tarred and feathered.
>>74718132
>Is this really your argument?
No, you're right. It fucking isn't. Nice strawman though. The polling aggregates I provided show otherwise, while you haven't provided ANY evidence.
>You've been BTFO multiple times and you have not produced a single rebuttal.
D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L.
>>74718113
>With the polling evidence that I cited?
There were polls that stated Trump wouldn't beat Jeb!.
These polls are meaningless outside of manipulating morons like you into not using your own judgement.
>>74712509
So why are you telling us
>>74715352
>"Where do you think she is?"
>"I don't know. Maybe in the bathroom. It's disgusting."
>audience laughs
Literally fell over laughing
IM GOING TO STATE THE MOST OBVIOUS SHIT, BUT IM NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW I KNOW!
You literally didn't say anything at all.
>>74718182
Since you didn't actually read ANY of what I said, here's a picture to show you that it isn't some mindless drivel. It's solid evidence, and you're delusional not to recognise it.
>>74718201
>>74718241
>m-mum, these are arguments, r-right?
>>74718126
show of the centrury!!
hope they don't crash the economy/instigate cw2 before she gets fucked to death
>>74716357
Ok, you're right that I didn't view the polls at first. Was not aware that they were aggregates; thought it was purely a HuffPo poll.
Looking at it, I still take large issue. An exceedingly large portion of those polls are from as early as Dec 2015. Trump's been gaining on the HILLDAWG since then quite steadily. Of course an aggregate with much of the content being several months old isn't going to be so accurate.
You'll certainly accuse me of arguing based upon emotion or "muh fee-fees" as you've so eloquently put, but I also don't place much credence in polls taken before either nomination is officially secured. There's a whole lot of clusterfuck yet to occur. This thread is specifically about a good portion of that clusterfuck.
God, I fucking hope Trump pulls out the stops and mentions the REAL skellingtons in her closets. Not fucking MUH EMAILS or MUH BENGHAZIIII.
How about mentioning Mena, Arkansas, for fuck sake?
>>74718303
Even if it's somehow invalid, where's your evidence Trump will win?
>inb4 none
>>74718396
>showing that Hillary is falling and Trump is gaining
This proves my point right guys do I have a dick now?
>>74712439
$0.05 was deposited to your account.
>>74718434
>Trump's been gaining on the HILLDAWG since then quite steadily. Of course an aggregate with much of the content being several months old isn't going to be so accurate.
And yet even the more recent ones still put her ahead.
>>74718113
Okay. Demonstrate using data from past elections that polling data from 5/22 and earlier predicts who will win the election 100% of the time.
>>74718297
You're the one making the claim that you can predict the winner of the election. I don't need to produce any evidence.
Do you head that little voice in the corner of your head that's telling you that you're wrong? The little voice that you're trying desperately to ignore? That's compelling you to come on 4chan and spew hysterics at people to try to prove to yourself that you're right? I know it's there...
>>74718469
Except there have been multiple spikes like that, nice try though.
>>74718396
>>m-mum, these are arguments, r-right?
No, dipshit. I'm simply saying I wish I could see your face when Hillary loses in November. I'm not putting forth any argument.
>using pre-general polls
>evidence
I love it!
Also, this was an argument, though:>>74718272
>>74718465
She's trending down, he's trending up. He's ahead in the last 3 polls. She's polling less trustworthy and worse with men than trump with women. People are waking up to her bullshit and the berniecucks are fracturing the party far beyond any #nevertrump people. And her campaign is low energy.
>>74718465
I don't have any, I'm not shaking a magic 8 ball here like you seem to be.
I think he stands a better chance of beating Hillary though because of the avalanche of federal investigations into her and her husband's dealings. Her email server and Clinton foundation scandals are just the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention her failing health.
The big news companies have spent the better part of a year throwing everything they could find at Trump, and it's only made him stronger, he's in good health and he's media savvy.
It's almost like he has a stacked deck against her.
This is me using my own judgement, not relying on some bullshit poll.
>>74718606
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I wish I could see your face when she loses, you don't get the bonus, and you can't afford to get the fake cock put on
>>74718551
>Okay. Demonstrate using data from past elections that polling data from 5/22 and earlier predicts who will win the election 100% of the time.
They don't, but the margin that Hillary is predicted to be ahead is pretty large, and notice how they slowly become more accurate.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/9442/election-polls-accuracy-record-presidential-elections.aspx
>You're the one making the claim that you can predict the winner of the election.
Actually, that was a counterclaim to the Canadian who claimed Trump would win even bigger than "anticipated". I still have yet to see you produce evidence, but I have produced mine.
>>74718396
>>74718751
>Since you didn't actually read ANY of what I said, here's a picture to show you that it isn't some mindless drivel. It's solid evidence, and you're delusional not to recognise it.
Hello. All you did was produce a graph. You see, here in the real world, you also need to connect the "evidence" to your argument. Please explain how the graph that you posted allows you to predict the winner.
Oh wait, I already know that you can't explain it. You're not as smart as you think you are. You're getting BTFO over and over by people on 4chan of all places. The gutter of the internet. Think about it, you're so fucking dumb that you're arguing with chucklefucks in the gutter of the internet and losing. You're absolutely pathetic. Your mother should have thrown you in a blender and let the dog lap you up.
>>74718623
See here: >>74718606
>>74718746
Not an argument.
>>74712283
Thanks, Bill O'Reilly
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-doesnt-think-hillary-will-show-up-to-a-debate-with-trump/
>>74713652
bark bark
>>74714282
>useless nonspecific question gets a bland rhetorical answer
meanwhile pic related
>>74718800
That graph, as said for the fiftieth fucking time, takes general election polls and uses it to predict the general elections.
What's so fucking hard to understand about that?
Now tell me why it supposedly is wrong, even though the margin of deviancy is getting smaller and smaller?
Trump would steam roll her in a debate setting.
Truthfully the Dems are retarded if they pick her to run, her legal problems, Bill's baggage, and her general sense of unlike by the Bernie people. She just screams establishment in a voting session where that is deeply disliked and unwanted.
>>74718751
>I still have yet to see you produce evidence, but I have produced mine.
Exactly what evidence do I need to produce? The only claim that I've made is that you're a fucking idiot, and at this point that's pretty much clear as day.
>>74718808
I know it's not it just sucks you don't have a dick
>>74717332
FUCKING YES
>>74718932
You're delusional if you think that. I'll be laughing my ass off when Hillary gets elected.
>>74718808
Argument given here: >>74718272
>>74718913
See
>>74718800
If you're claiming that you can predict the winner, you need to explain how the poll allows you to predict the winner.
Looks like you just got BTFO again. Kek. Again, you're arguing with chucklefucks on the gutter of the internet and losing. Do you even understand how pathetic that is?
>>74718947
Cool story.
>>74719019
That wasn't HIS argument, it was yours. Nice try though.
>>74719033
Because voters record their preference, giving you a sample to draw from and based on that, you can predict the GE winner? The poll aggregates are also a pretty large sample size.
You also didn't acknowledge that the deviancy was getting smaller and smaller, as cited. The polls are more accurate.
I'm not a fucking statistician but it's not that hard to understand.
>>74718913
>shitty poll data can predict the future 6 months away
i bet if you dig deeper u can find polls that predicted a jeb or some other cucksevative winning the gop nomination
you have no idea how much people dislike hillary. Also after that nevada nonsense most of the berniebots will never vote for her
>>74712439
umm....
https://www.upwork.com/job/Forum-Seeding-2016-Political-Election_~012d7ceed3fb5c1c75/
>>74718913
Please see exhibit A: >>74718751
Give it a good read. It looks to me like you yourself admitted that the poll doesn't predict the winner. Oopsie! Just remember, we're all anonymous here. Maybe it's time for you to abandon this thread and start a new one. Due to the "anonymous" nature of this message board, we'll all be none the wiser!!
>>74718549
Some of the recent ones do, yes. Many of them! By a much less fucking considerable margin than previously. There's little to indicate that this trend is likely to change. Could you provide any respectable articles that make a good claim that this trend is likely to be mitigated or reversed?
Or will you """refute""" flat out-of-hand that Clinton's lead has narrowed in the recent months?
Ya know, outside of your fee-fees.
So you're fine with attempting to support your argument with outdated data as long as it fits your narrative.
If you're attempting to have intellectual competency on this issue in the future, concede that your material does have flaws/gaps, find or generate aggregates that are more accurate to the current situation, or simply continue obstinately ""arguing"" with Trump supporters.
You shouldn't feel superior because you might think you make those people look silly on occasion. You both look silly.
>>74719152
I know very well how many people dislike Hillary, I'm among them. It's not shitty poll data, and you need to prove that. Moreover, 6 months ago, the guy just announced his candidacy. It's quite clear who's in the race now, and who represents what. Unless something completely phenomenal happens, it won't change much.
Long story short, false analogy.
>>74719040
>>74719066
>nice try
>cool story
You're done, it's self evident. Time to sink back into the anon-pool and try again later.
Don't worry though, you'll get thoroughly wrecked again, I'm sure this isn't the first time either.
>>74719184
Please tell me where I said the polls were completely wrong, as opposed to saying that they weren't 100% accurate, but they were becoming more and more accurate in recent years.
I'll wait, nigger.
>>74719151
>You also didn't acknowledge that the deviancy was getting smaller and smaller, as cited
Please explain, in your own words, what "deviancy" means. And then explain how "the deviancy was getting smaller and smaller" helps to support your point.
Then again, I would suggest that you stop replying to me, unless you just want to get BTFO again.
>>74712509
Oh ok well then I don't believe you.
>>74719231
It's never happened before, and I'm not getting wrecked. That makes you wrong on three scores.
I also like how you included "cool story" among them, as if someone saying I had a small dick was something worth arguing. Suicide is always an option.
>>74719392
You should probably stop posting, you're losing it.
>>74718060
>Singaporean intellectuals
>>74712283
>her staff is worried about her height
femlets when will they learn?
>>74719223
Polls in 1992 were off by around 5%. Now they're off by about 2.
Noticing a trend here?
>>74719478
>losing
>implying
Literally where? Not once have I been proven wrong. It says something about your platform if all you niggers can do is parrot "you lost" without citing ANY evidence to prove that Trump would win the GE, like I originally disputed.
>>74719325
Since you're so fucking dumb: Your argument hinges on the polls being a 100% accurate predictor of who will win the election. Maybe it's time for you to learn the difference between facts and opinions? Maybe it's time for you to learn how to build an argument?
How does it feel to get BTFO again? Do you want more, retard?
>>74719518
>>74719575
Wow how mad can one autist get?
>>74716487
>Bahasa
Proxy confirmed, no one calls it Bahasa here
>>74719575
You don't understand what constitutes proof. And I say that with absolute certainty. There isn't much that you DO understand, is there?
>>74719575
Lol give it up bro you can just not reply when you start losing it
>>74712814
Height wouldn't matter as much if she were a little taller and Trump was a little shorter. As it stands, Hillary is 5' tall (1.5m) and Trump is 6'2'' (1.88m). He's going to look like a giant compared to her.
>>74719584
Wow, it's sure easy to disprove an argument when you completely and deliberately misinterpret it! Some would call that a logical fallacy, but it's completely valid in Delusionland!
It doesn't hinge on it being 100% accurate. But what it DOES hinge on is that the margin of deviancy is smaller than the margin of Clinton's lead, which, judging by most recent GE poll succes, most likely will be.
Now prove Trump will win. That's what I was arguing against, and I still haven't seen a single source. You're the fucking idiot here.
>>74719575
I didn't mean losing as in losing the argument, that's beside the point.
You're losing your grip on your emotions and reality.
You need to get your ego in check.
I'm really enjoying all the speculation about what Hillary's defensive strategy against Trump is going to be because I've heard loads of crazy shit. This one sounds plausible. The other one about announcing Bill Clinton's ill health or having him killed seems pretty plausible too.
They're gonna have to do something. Pull some crazy shit out the hat to stump the Trump because he sure as shit isn't going to be taken down the ordinary way.
>>74719789
Calm down dude
>>74719680
You can say many things with absolute certainty, but from what I've seen, none of them are even remotely true.
>>74719703
>losing
>implying
>>74719648
>I do something that someone else might not so obviously he isn't from the same fucking country
This is the Hillary thread, yes? I think Trump people are losing this thread. That's just my opinion.
Sorry for bad english. I have a hard time in new country.
>>74719864
Nice proxy. Now speak some Chinese, Malay or Tamil proxyshill.
>>74719789
>margin of deviancy
Here you go again. Please explain what exactly a "margin of deviancy" is?
>Now prove Trump will win.
Why would I need to do this? I've already destroyed you and outed you as a moron.
>>74719850
>argument is besides the point
>>74719798
>calm down
>implying
I can afford to be aggressive when it's clear that I have the upper ground.
>>74712814
Well she's applying for a man's job, so I think she should at least be held to the same requirements.
>>74719518
I just looked at the link you posted for that.
The only election poll in question there was Gallup's Final Survey, am I wrong? You've established that Gallup's final survey has always been fairly good at determining election results, and that in the recent past it has been very good indeed.
A quick google search didn't really yield that much on what specifically the Gallup final survey entails; sample size and selection process/methodology, when the survey is conducted, any of that shit. If you could source that for me, I'd appreciate it.
But I don't reckon you WILL source all that for me because you're trying to imply that an aggregate of surveys from Dec 2015- May 2016 is very likely to be accurate simply because the Gallup final survey is.
And you can't imply that shit unless you just don't give two shits about legitimacy of your claims.
>>74714689
this is now the Official /pol/ Height Unit
