Are "judeo christian values" a jew meme ?
How can jews and christians could even share values ? Jesus Christ was a secessionist jew.
>>69991296
Jesus was a good Jew.
Christians are good Jews.
I agree. Muslims share closer values to Christianity than Jews do.
>>69991296
Jews are infidels in true Christianity., for a Christian there is no difference between Jew and Muslim.
(Latin in , privative, and fidelis .)
As in ecclesiastical language those who by baptism have received faith in Jesus Christ and have pledged Him their fidelity and called the faithful, so the name infidel is given to those who have not been baptized. The term applies not only to all who are ignorant of the true God, such as pagans of various kinds, but also to those who adore Him but do not recognize Jesus Christ, as Jews, Mohammedans
>>69991360
This makes kikes "bad jews".
Do bad and good jews share values ?
Jesus never wanted to succeed from Judaism. That was Paul
>>69991296
Jesus was not a Jew racially or otherwise.
>>69991532
There is only Jews, their being good or bad has no relevance towards your domestic policy regarding Jews, you should have no Jews, one nation one people.
>>69991296
It's a neocon meme.
Christians have traditionally and should still shun the jews.
>>69991506
Protestants do not have the true God.
>>69991296
Modern Judaism is effectively Talmudism. The Talmud is the collection of rabbinic teachings that were passed down orally.
Christianity is a continuation of "Judaism".
>>69991633
Policy for Jews should not even exist, you should not care for Jews anymore than you care for pygmies in Africa, toss them out of your nation for it is your God given right.
>>69991737
>69991737
Christianity is a continuation of faith in God, it has nothing to do with Jews.
>>69991713
That makes no sense. We have the sola - Solus Christus. Through Christ alone. We put our faith entirely on Christ's work on the cross (sola fide). Unless the Romanists we don't rely on our works and participation in the sacraments such as mass to justify us. Which is completely unbiblical. Now go post James 2 and pretend there hasn't been a serious rebuttal every made against it.
>>69991822
True to an extent.
>>69991296
Judeo Christian simply refers to the tradition that began with Abriham and continued down to Jesus (who was an apocalyptic Jewish teacher (rabbi) that instructed that the end of the age of men was coming and that a cosmic judge of the earth "the son of man" was soon to arrive, after which God would set up his new godly kingdom on earth and the dead would be physically resurrected to live there.
Anywho, judeo Christian = Christian since it simply disproves the history of Christianity. Christians 100% endorse the Jewish bible.
>>69991768
Jews were taken in solely as refugees out of kindness not out of obligation, they can go back to Palestine now, the Caliphate is gone, their reason for existence in states has been annulled, but now they have waited long enough to change the rules.
>>69991885
>>69991880
Romans 3:2 tells us the Jews have been trusted with the oracle of God. Meaning that the canon of the OT was chosen by the Jews (39 books like modern Christians today).
>>69991885
****proceeds not disproves
>>69991839
You do not have the true God.
>>69991885
Christian tradition does not come from Abraham, it comes from the apostles.
>>69991885
>Christians 100% endorse the Jewish bible.
meh.
they disavowed the stupid ass rules from the Leviticus, for all I know.
>>69991984
Chosen, lost, mistaken, purposefully altered, mixed up, mistranslated, mashed together, etc., it applies to both traditions, the OT even more so.
>>69991984
The Bible is not an authority nor is it literal in its words, I can interpret anything in there to suit my purposes.
>>69992124
The Bible is not a monolithic holy being, it is texts compiled by the Catholic Church in 300 ad.
>>69992125
“The Bible is not the Word of God, Jesus is. John says he is the Eternal Logos, the true Word spoken from all eternity, and to put such a focus on the Bible as the Word of God is to take it off their point: Jesus. In fact, it’s tantamount to bibliolatry–elevating the Bible to the 4th person of the Trinity.”
>>69992075
Let's juts say that God never provides promission to do so.
>inb4 Jesus said it was okay
The tradition that he was also God came much later
Son of God =\= a god especially in the ancient world traditions. For instance the king of the people Israel is called son of God
Son of Man =\= God and Jesus was not claiming to be the SoM
christians are the jews now in the eyes of God
people who still practice judaism are heretics
>>69992205
I agree
>>69992325
And there is wide consensus with nT scholars that the single explicit reference to the trinity is not original. i.e. Not present in the oldest and most reliable manuscript.
>>69992377
Christians never are "Jews" they are servants of God, Jews never existed and Jews are infidels not heretics, heretics would be some protestants.
>>69991380
Nah, m8. Islam is much closer to Judaism than to Christianity.
>>69991296
Jews worship the anti-Christ, and Christians worship Christ.
The devil's greatest trick... was convincing the world that he isn't a Jew.
>>69991296
It's cuckservatism par excellence.
Christian values shaped the Europe and America, not jewish values.
>>69992590
Jews have nothing to do with Europe and America, they are nomadic refugees, nothing to do with our civilization, tradition, culture, art, and God.
>>69992508
what
>>69991296
yes, it's a meme pushed in order for christians to accept jews.
Just because we share the old testament does not mean our values are the same. Really, the only similarity is that we both follow the 10 commandments. But the 10 commandments are the most basic shit like don't lie/steal/murder that any religion or culture would naturally have.
It all diverges from there. Christian values are things like loving thy neighbor, the golden rule, etc etc. It all stems from the stuff jesus taught. Jewish values, on the other hand, are steeped in a hypertribalistic need to separate themselves from the outgroup and be seen apart. It's okay to commit usury against the dirty goyim, for instance.
Just compare god in the old testament vs the new. Jews follow the old testament, where god was a vindictive asshole. Christians follow the new testament, where jesus is a peace-loving hippie
The only Truth is Jesus, the Bible is not Truth.
It is 100% regular traditions and teachings for successors of the Church to learn.
>>69992758
The Bible isn't God.
>>69991296
It's said mostly by Christians so they can project their forbidden nationalism onto Israel.
>>69991296
ITT: butthurt
>>69992569
>>The devil's greatest trick... was convincing the world that he isn't a Jew.
Nice one, Swede-bro
How do we know for a fact that scripture (the Bible) is the inspired word of God? There are many books that claim to be inspired, take the book of Mormon for example. There are hundreds of early church writings. Most of us have never given it any serious thought as to why they believe the bible is the inspired word of God. What authority put these books together and called it the bible? This may not be an easy question to answer if you have rejected the Sacred Traditions and the authority of the Church that Jesus Christ originally established on earth, there is no longer any objective authority for this claim.
Who, then, decided that it was Scripture? The Jews put together the old testament and The Catholic Church put together the new testament and it took several centuries to do so. It was not until the Council of Carthage 397 years after Jesus death and subsequent approval by Pope Innocent I, that a New Testament was put together. Prior to that date, hundreds of gospels and “apostolic” writings were floating around in many different languages, some not so good or some even controverted. It was the Catholic Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, which separated the good writings from the bad and selected the 27 books that are now found in the New Testament bible today.
So far as we know, Jesus himself never wrote a word (except on sand). Nor did he command the Apostles to write anything. The Catholic Church operated for many years by word of mouth and Sacred Traditions that Jesus and the disciples established and handed down and guided by the Holy Spirit to insure it would not be changed. In much later years, some of the early Apostles (and non-Apostles) composed the twenty-seven books, which were finally selected almost 400 years later and that now comprise the New Testament that is used today by all Christians. It may be a surprise to some but the gospels where not all written by the original 12 apostles themselves. Most of the other documents included in the New Testament are addressed to specific problems that arose in the early Church and to reinforce the teaching of the Church, and none claim to present the whole of Christian revelation. The vast majority of the new testament are letters that were written by Paul.
The doctrine of the bible alone or ‘sola scriptura’ is itself unbiblical. No where does the Bible claims such a status for itself.
Protestants have literally no claim to Christianity, they are Mormons.
>>69991296
Getting sick and tired of this fucking meme
Just so you know..
>>69991296
>judeo christian values
Its a meme made by jews. Those who follow it only follow the old testament.
>>69991296
judaism stands closer to islam than to christianity.
sandnigger religions
How can there be "Judeo-Christian" culture if all that happened was Christians repeatedly throwing out kikes out of their country?
>>69992508
>Jews are infidels not heretics
>not heretics
>Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement
>>69993082
>scripture (the Bible) is the inspired word of God
Because there is so much truth in the Bible that it can't be a mere coincidence
>>69995696
Infidels means those who do not know the true God such as Jews, heretics are differences in dogma of the church.
>>69991296
'judeo christian' is a psyop performed by mossad to make half of America's protestants love jews more than Jesus.
The rest of us fucking hate that term. The two couldn't be any more opposite.
Christ died to absolve men from following jewish laws. Christ is basically the same as saying 'fuck jews, they are wrong about everything'. which is why the jews had him killed.
>>69991885
>Christians 100% endorse the Jewish bible
bullshit. As a Catholic, I abhor the 'old testament'.
during the first reading in mass, i generally check /pol/ on my phone.
'Judeo-Christian' values were a neocon meme propagated by the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to ensure that dopey American WASP continue to blindly support Israel.
The reality is that the entire point of Christianity is to shirk off the Old Testament in favor of the New. Judeo-Christian values is a bit of an oxymoron.
That begs the question what are our values? Our values are Western, but what does that mean? It means that our values start with the Greeks:
What's so special about the Greeks? They were the first to romanticize the notion of "freedom" and that freedom was in fact a good thing. The Greeks saw themselves as a balance in the world. They were not as autocratic as the Empires to the east, but still more organized than the barbarians to the west. They were whiter than the Egyptians but darker than the barbarians up north.
Then came the Romans who added to our values of dedication to the state, glory, honor and victory! The Romans were perhaps the most important in forming our "Western" values because they connected Greek values with Christian values. When Rome conquered Greece, Hellenic culture conquered Rome, and when Rome conquered Israel, the Christian religion expanded, replacing the washed up pagan religions of Rome.
Christianity gave us the more 'intellectual' values of humility, kindness, love, compassion, restraint, etc. They're technically more beta but it were these values that built up a stronger civilization and came to dominate the Medieval age.
Then came the Enlightenment which raised up the values of 'reason', 'truth' and 'universality'. The Enlightenment was a movement to seek objective truth, believing that it could be found in values that could be deemed universal, spanning all countries and cultures.
Then came the Romantics, this is where I feel Western values start to go wrong.
>>69997141
The Romantics, as the name indicates, romanticized our culture and history, disregarding the 'logos' or logic behind values such as egalitarianism (in that it was a political value - all men should be are equal UNDER THE LAW, it does not mean that they are objective equal in value or should be treated by their peers as equal) and desired to expand their definitions.
Then came the "scientific" fedora atheists values in the start of the 20th century when Darwin gave a heavy blow to religion with "On the Origin of Species". Fedoras decided that "Science" was not a method - but a way of life, a philosophy, a truth, and should be elevated as so. They started memeing about "survival of the fittest" and talking about how we need Eugenics and remove religion from society.
So far this has been Euro-centric because it was Europe that was the cradle of Western values. But soon WW2 comes all Europe falls, being replaced by America, now we turn to the US.
I'd say the most important US politician in determining US "values" was Woodrow Wilson, who first conjured up the rhetoric that the US needs to "spread democracy and save the world". Note the Wilson was an old school democrat, the last one before FDR.
Then came WW2, the fight between three ideologies: Fascism, Communism and Liberal-Democracy. Liberal-Democracy goes on to win, and with Europe left in tatters the US picks up the mantle to lead the West.
Because of the fear of Communism, the American Republic had to turn into an American Empire, spreading its influence across the globe. Thanks to Wilson, it was seen as America's duty to do so. What were these values? Capitalism, democracy, freedom, etc. Of course, with the transition into an Empire, America had to sacrifice its original values of isolationism, civic nationalism (since it was here that they added the "Under God" piece of the pledge of allegiance, showing that the US fled from its more secular values in the face of Communism.
>>69991296
Both are cucks
>>69998024
Finally then came the 60s and 70s with the "liberating" sexual revolution, beliving that they're doing good by calling upon the ancient Greek values of Liberty in order to "Liberate" people from Christianity's restraint. It should be noted that even Christianity used the rhetoric of Liberty to propagate it. It was believed that people were oppressed by their animal, carnal desires, and it would be faith in God that would release their desires from control of the environment. Islam also has a similar rhetoric in seeking submission to God to save oneself from submission to carnal desire.
Finally then came the 2000s, with the coming of a new century came new values, this time Globalism. With the hegemony of the US and her values of capitalism, democracy and freedom seeks to extended their values to the entire planet. Here we see the final erosion of paleoconservatism in favor of neoconservatism. Paleoconservatism favored isolationism and was anti-globalist while neocons were the oppose. George Bush Jr. continued with Wilson's rhetoric of saving the world to spread democracy. The democrats are also directly in favor of these values, because they know that with capitalism (no spiritualism), democracy (everyone is objectively equal) and freedom (you can do whatever you want!), left wing values will eventually win over traditional values.
