How is polacks and trumpcucks begging trump to protect their overpriced labour any different from roasties begging feminism to save them after they pissed away their sexual market value fucking Chads through their 20's?
I will concede that a lot of the overpricing of american labour is due to business regulations, especially health insurance bundled with salaries, exacerbated by the waste inherent in the healthcare/insurance/government complex. But you don't hear Trump making that argument, he only ever says poor Chinese are ripping you off, when all they're doing is not being gluttonous heathens. How can you seriously defend the American labour force and simultaneously be redpilled about the fundamental degeneracy and debasement of American society writ large?
bump
Bc the average American is too stupid to understand economic principles and respond easier to "they took our jobs"
>>74430385
ok that was what I was saying but I didn't want to offend people. It pisses me off though that because of the fat lazy american public, trump is going to use the force of our military to block goods from coming into the country for me to trade for. Hypocrisy.
>>74430501
This accumulated vast wealth through tariffs and innovation. I don't think doing something different than what has worked before is a bad thing. We don't need other country'a stuff for the most part. The US has enough resources to self subsist. If we need it, we will get it somehow.
>>74429607
wtf
>>74430694
American companies would be disadvantaged if they could only hire americans, at costs set so high by the government.
if regulations were reformed and the business environment was looser maybe
>>74430908
THICC
>>74430908
I thought the same thing.
>>74430908
she is clearly in some porno directors house and she is about to do an audition
>>74430990
Not really, they'd find a way to automate a lot of the work, or business ventures would shift away from useless consumer crap and move towards something more beneficial to the market as a whole.
People only buy the cheap shit made in China bc it's cheap, not bc it's all that useful for anything
>>74429607
One of these groups wants to keep what they themselves worked for
the other group wants to take what was worked for by someone else
>>74430908
Well, she's a pornstar.
>>74429607
anon, you're asking something retarded.
>>74431284
yeah the first one is the people that don't need tariffs.
>>74431280
so that just shows how worthless the american worker is. they are less valuable than the people make shitty cheap electronics and clothes. And they have the benefit of relatively low transportation costs and they still are less efficient. Siloing shitty workers does not make them more productive.
>>74431530
so you're just going to suck on trump's balls because he has funny memes? he's not going to improve america if people don't push him to do the right things.
>>74429607
i wonder how small her cock is
>>74433082
your premises are shit. there's nothing worth discussing with you. only other dipshits take your OP as credible in any way.
Nobody gives a fuck, so you reply to me to bump your shitty thread.
Fucking kill yourself, do the world a favor.
>>74433669
>your premises are shit
hahah wine more faggot. you don't have an argument you fucking loser.
>>74429607
>Muh dick
>>74429607
Because an extended low wage environment destroys the middle class and ushers in a revolutionary proletariat that will not hesitate to overthrow the government and murder everything moving, that's why, you fucking jew rat bastard.
This is why Karl Marx was a staunch advocate in favor of """free""" trade, and perpetual opponent of tariffs, because the former accelerates his """Jewtopia""", while the latter forestalls it indefinitely.
tl;dr Protectionism protects against Jews.
>>74433793
you never had one. you just asked a bunch of questions, which now that you say it, could by called whiny. Whiny, bitchy questions.
I think you're a minor. You're definitely stupid though. That much is certain.
You really need to kill yourself. leave a poorly worded note for your mother.
>>74434169
you're the one speaking in marxist terms. classism is marxist. Why can't the middle class in America be productive?
>>74434296
are you mad?
>>74429607
>after they pissed away their sexual market value fucking Chads through their 20's?
What did we do to deserve our labor to be considered "overpriced" like these women did, fucking everything left and right to devalue themselves?
>>74434469
the worst thing about stupid people is they never stop being stupid.
I bet you feel mad a lot.
>>74434600
I explained in the op:
not competitive technically
enormous health scam system bundled with labour
lazy workers
ridiculous labour regulations
union demands
>>74430258
>astrological
fucking dropped
>>74434796
Again, what did I do to make my labor worth less than mexicans to my country, how is women throwing all their value away at all related to my country selling out its own people against our will?
>>74434906
i gave you a list of things that makes your labour too expensive. By condoning those regulations you are participating in making yourself cost ineffective.
>>74434600
>>74429607
Pajeet will do the same job for half/quarter/tenth the price and not complain about stupid shit. The West is too entitled to its high standard of living. They'd rather scapegoat the entrepreneurs and innovators than accept the reality that their labour isn't worth what it used to be in real terms.
The argument about China using tariffs and protectionist policies requiring USA to respond with the same has some merit. It's a messy issue. Both sides are valid.
>>74435158
China's only defensive policy is devaluing their currency.
>>74435104
>lazy workers
So we dont deserve to have jobs because people who cant get their own countries shit together can just flee here and are willing to work harder than me because my politicians are bought out by big corporations, and thats the same as being born with actual inherent value and throwing it all away?
>>74429607
>overpriced
stopped reading there
you're too far gone m8, sad to say
when you cant understand the price of the good has increased alongside corporate profits, at the expense of huge swaths of the population who now must rely on handouts and nonexistent high tech industries for employment since every blue collar job is now done by an illegal immigrant for less than the minimum wage
>>74435345
>So we dont deserve to have jobs because people who cant get their own countries shit together can just flee here and are willing to work harder than me
didn't even mention immigration in this issue.
>>74434796
>not competitive technically
so the iphone is a chinese invention?
>enormous health scam system bundled with labour
cheaper than other western countries
>lazy workers
statistics show otherwise
>ridiculous labour regulations
can be simplified
>union demands
dying breed - look at the Japanese car company factories in Alabama, BMW in South Carolina
>>74435622
huge swaths of the population are illiterate
>>74435640
Its hardly different from outsourcing in this context
>>74429607
>inflated labor costs
not
>temporarily low labor costs elsewhere
the 'developing' world (besides Africa probably) will be 'developed' at some point and slave labor won't be an option anymore. By then you'll have a weakened US economy from unemployment, underemployment, low pay, and reduced consumption without temporary protections
>>74435774
are you implying the literacy rate of China or Bangladesh is better than in America?
>>74430501
You're retarded. Heard of the American system? Tariffs are what industrialized the United States. Textile mills and factories would have never been able to compete without serious protections
>>74429607
VERONICA RODRIGUEZ
>>74435315
You're a fucking retard. Their currency has significantly strengthened against the USD over the past 10 years.
>>74429607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lLxrscgj94
>>74435737
>so the iphone is a chinese invention?
iphone inventors aren't losing their jobs
>cheaper than other western countries
doesn't matter. even if that were true it's still making american workers overpriced because healthcare is full of waste.
>statistics show american workers aren't lazy
no
>can be simplified
complexity isn't the main problem it's anti business regulation
>>74429607
Pretty simple desu.
>Country 1 produces 100,000 units of value
>Country 2 produces 75,000
>Country 1 imports 50,000 from 2
>Country 2 imports 10,000 from 1
>Country 1 ends up with 60,000
>Country 2 ends up with 115,000
By using tariffs we can discourage imports and keep more of our created wealth. No first world country can be competitive labor wise in this age.
>>74429607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTVDszP-zM
Another way to look at it
>>74435997
what is QE?
also implying it couldn't be stronger than it is
>>74436054
what kind of trade is that? why would you trade 75 for 50?
>>74436206
It's overall imports/exports. Not a direct trade. You're producing wealth through material extraction and then refinement and manufacturing, but if you import more than you export you're sending out wealth that would otherwise stay in your country.
>>74435943
if industry is so critical it will come back. i shouldn't have to subsidize a bunch of lazy people's vices because they demand protection.
>>74435774
ok I read your full OP
How much does the American worker cost compared to other 1st world countries? not the chinese or anyone else. Thats step one.
companies are moving overseas to increase profits at the expense of the american worker class. the profits increase because the price of the good isn't reduced. If Ford builds a truck in Mexico, it doesn't make that truck any cheaper, it simply increases profits. So instead of blocking this behavior, because you recognize how absolutely and horrifically it sucks the livelihoods away from the worker class in favor of an ever shrinking pool of investors.
What wealth is actually earned for america? On paper, seems like we're a rich country. Well if we're so rich, where's all the capital? Where's the infrastructure? The cranes? The fully leased industrial parks?
>>74436421
if their labour is dirt cheap there's no reason not to exchange goods with them
>>74436445
Wut. Are you retarded? An industry moving over seas means that we lose out on the wealth generated. Processing raw materials creates wealth.
>>74436660
Certainly not, but unfortunately it puts us at a disadvantage as we cannot compete in that aspect.
>>74436627
>If Ford builds a truck in Mexico, it doesn't make that truck any cheaper, it simply increases profits
margins aren't growing like you imply. they still have to be competitive.
>>74436054
You don't need blanket policies. You need targeted enforcement on a company by company basis. If a company like Ford is operating in the black, and they decide to move overseas, you tax the outsourced good at a proportional rate such that it is not financially beneficial to produce overseas.
>>74436682
not if we trade with them. specialization and trade.
>>74436784
bullshit
Competitive with other domestic firms? Yes.
Competitive with European firms, Japanese? Yes.
Competitive with South Korea? Not really.
Competitive with China/India? No.
Competitive with Bangladesh? Fuck off.
>>74436794
A blanket policy protects against existing over seas companies as well. And just speculation here but doing it on a case by case basis would require a rigid metric in order to prevent skewed policies on certain companies.
>>74436878
We are trading with them. And unfortunately places like China require access to patent material to even enter their market which kills specialization.
>>74436123
I have no clue what point you are trying to make. Their currency quite quantifiable hasn't been devalued relative to the US dollar. Go have a look at the exchange rates...
>>74436996
are you implying auto companies don't compete globally?
>>74437638
They knocked 3% off last September and this January the devalued again. They're at a 5yr low right now.
There is literally nothing wrong with protectionism.
Source: Vicky II
Its ironic how the alt right hates free markets so much, and when I see their threads it appears to be lead by a homo reddit poster with dyed blonde hair and a dog name. Isnt it ironic?
I guess /new/ always was like that, waiting for a racist politician to be succesful so they could bandwagon him. They never cared for Ron Pauls Ideas they only hoped he would get rid of mexicans its sad that such simple minded ppl actually hold a monopoly on what is considered redpilled.
>>74438235
Libertarians are for open borders.
Build wall.
no illegal mexican or w/e will ever take my job, but i have empathy for my brothers that do lose out to them
my biggest problem with the mexicans is they don't pay taxes and send all their money out of the country to their families, they're only leeches to america
>>74438911
i don't have empathy for people who leach off the system, and i'm talking about american citizens.
