>should Britian leave the EU?
>>74361215
>>74361215
Continued
>should Britian leave the EU?
Duh
>>74374808
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKq_1mGeZXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AzBXNDNBtQ
Vote LEAVE. Here some more facts:
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/eu-referendum#
>>74375002
I wish they hadn't started sperging the Libertarianism 'British philosophy' halfway through to start giving people an excuse to write the entire thing off as Libertarian propaganda and instead stuck to the facts of the monumental waste and irrationality of some of the EU's functioning.
when does my voting card come in the post?
midlands here
VOTE BREXIT
VOTE DEMOCRACY
>>74374808
As an American I understand the value of being able to run and have a say in your own government. So yes I personally think Britain should exit, however it is not my place to tell them what they should or should not do as I am not a Britain.
Signed,
Amurrikkka BurgerClap
ride on the wings of nige taking us to salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
>>74375189
You might as well tell us, everyone else is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PADCU-bd-JA
vote leave
>>74374808
Please leave. It''s the only remaining opportunity to fix Europe peacefully.
>>74374808
You fucking fags think you can leave? Can't stop the EU express get on the train or get rolled over by enlightened democracy
>>74374808
You should exit the EU and form a new Commonwealth with Canadians, Aussies and Zealanders
>>74374808
Leave this shithole asap don't let these idiots make you feel bad
You should vote to leave... but that still leaves you with the problem of being a Middle Eastern island stranded in the North Atlantic.
>>74374808
>should Britian leave the EU?
Yes.
if we're financially worse off then so be it, a price i'd pay to end the madness.
I find it bizarre seeing labourites banging on at me about how much money i'd stand to lose if we left after decades of saying money isn't everything.
>>74374808
Should they? Yes
Will they? No
>>74374808
No, the UK should not leave the EU. The UK should vote YES and then strive to make the EU better, eliminate red tape, harmonize those areas that make sense to harmonize and repatriate those areas that make sense to repatriate.
If the UK leaves, this won't help the UK or the EU. The UK, in order to access the EU, will still comply with quite a lot of EU laws (in contrast to the US, the UK has much more trade with the EU, especially with services). If the UK leave, EU laws may just get even more shittier, thus hurting the UK and the EU states alike.
The EU is already falling apart in half a hundred different ways
The PIGS economies are still fucked, Poland is at loggerheads with western EU, Eastern euros are pissed about migrants, far right and far left are rising
It is a choice between leaving now or staying and have it collapse around our ears, either way the EU is screwed
>>74375189
>As an American I understand the value of being able to run and have a say in your own government.
In which state do you live? Why is your state part of the United States of America? Why are you not for independence?
>>74375528
You think this will help with immigration? That's the only madness I can see over there
>>74374808
Daily reminder that it should happen, but it won't because nation of cucks.
>>74374808
Leaving EU is the only chance to uncuck your country britbongs. Also, it might start the downfall of the EU which would be FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC.
>>74375544
I was thinking about this, there's very little chance of actually reforming the EU, if Britain leaves we will probably bring down the whole project and then we can replace it with something much better
>>74375528
I would rather be worse off and have our country taken back, from their filthy mitts.
>>74375528
And if there is one thing worth losing money over, it's bringing down the mass invasion, global progressivism agency EU.
>>74375628
At least it gives us a chance to fight immigration.
If we stay we have no chance.
>>74375597
>The PIGS economies are still fucked
The PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) are a mixed bag. Ireland is growing faster than China, Ireland has such a strong economy right now, no other country in the industrialized world even comes close.
Spain had 4% GDP growth, massively more than the UK. Portugal similarly is doing a lot better.
Greece is growing again as well and unemployment is falling, but it is still in shambles. Italy is sort of the same as Greece, mostly because of the South.
>>74375597
>Poland is at loggerheads with western EU, Eastern euros are pissed about migrants, far right and far left are rising
Poland is doing nothing.
Eastern Europe are not pissed at all about migrants, because they do not have any migrants!
And the far right and far left isn't rising at all. E.g. in Austria there is not a single far right party. In Germany, the only far right party (the NPD) is about to be banned.
>>74374808
It's going to be fucking rigged. There's no way we're leaving
>>74374808
>should Britian leave the EU?
Yeah and throw all latvians out.
>>74375865
This anon speaks the truth
>>74375610
Secession never ends well, you retarded muzzie
>>74375855
>Germany is about to ban the right wing and let in shitloads of turks
good luck germanbro, you enjoy that
>>74375779
>there's very little chance of actually reforming the EU
The EU is constantly reforming. I am a lawyer, in my area (capital markets), the last 10 years of EU laws has been massive - good and bad.
Unfortunately, the UK rejected to have a central capital markets authority set up in London which could make it all good and enhance capital markets throughout Europe.
P.S. the whole EU will not be brought down. This is a wet dream of UKIP. The EU is here to stay and the UK will have to comply with its rules if it leaves. Tough luck. It's like the morning after effect, first people will say "freedom", then they will realize they were screwed royally from behind by a black transvestite.
WE'RE CRASHING THIS UNION WITH NO SURVIVORS
It would so much easier for our kikes to solidify their ownership of britain if you leave :3
I wish there were a way to identify pro-Eu supporters post-referendum so that they can be persecuted, ostracized from society and destined to live out their days in squalor and depravity
>>74374808
>should Britian leave the EU?
Yes
>Will Britian be allowed to leave the EU?
No
Get real
>>74375951
>Secession never ends well, you retarded muzzie
Then why do you want the UK to seceed? Makes no sense.
>>74376076
>our kikes
>implying you own them
Other way round fat cunt
>>74375610
Florida where we regularly flip the bird to capital hill.
I see where you're trying to go with this, and it's a fair point to make and is a core problem with how America governs itself. The difference between state rights and national mandates. Where and how that line should be drawn.
In this case it would be the countries of the EU and the EU as I suppose a nationstate or a super country or conglomerate nation.
From what I've seen and heard the EU wields a ridiculous amount of power over its members. The EU passes something and everyone else MUST bend a knee. This has been showcased most prominently on the migrant issue.
In the US, by comparison, a few states have said (paraphrasing) "No fuck off, we won't take any migrants if you start importing them" some even going so far as to make the cities that do take them in within the state solely responsible for any and all migrant crimes.
Likewise, as with the current Obama bathroom bill, the nation can twist the arm of the states by denying them funding such as with the named bill mentioned. Most believe this type of blackmail to be unconstitutional.
>>74375855
> Austria there is not a single far right party
kek
Austria is about to elect a far right president in a few days.
This is the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKq_1mGeZXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AzBXNDNBtQ
Fuck off EU shill. We don't want your progressive filth there. Everybody with half a brain realizes that it is a socialist project that has gone insane.
If you are for the EU, you are against Europe.
PS: shove your €conomic growth up your ass
>>74374808
100%
but you won't
cause you're cucks
Like literally paying foreigners to fuck you in the ass
>>74376077
Also on that note, people who don't vote are supporting/pro-EU by abstaining and also deserve to be flogged like the slugs they are
>>74375610
They have a say in their own government equal to all other states
Just like all other countries in the UK have representation at home and equally in the UK
The EU does not give us a say, we can't take its laws away without leaving.
>>74376077
a wreath of gold stars perhaps
>>74376068
>I am a lawyer
see why you'd want us to stay in the EU with all it's hundreds of thousands of obscure regulations and silly laws
>>74376077
>ostracized from society and destined to live out their days in squalor and depravity
How would you do that? Send them to an EU country?
There is literally not a single serious downside to leaving the EU
>>74376076
Not exactly true.
TTIP will do that, and if it's European in nature we can't ever back out or get rid of it.
That's why obama wants us to stay, so that we can't remove kike control.
>>74376430
Muhh uncertainty
>>74376346
>see why you'd want us to stay in the EU with all it's hundreds of thousands of obscure regulations and silly laws
No, I actually am very frustrated with all these shitty laws. Some are good, many are just fucking red tape.
My dream is for the EU to create a transparent "European Union wiki" that includes every single provision of EU law and regulation and can be commented on by the people and companies. If a provision is particularly criticized, the EU Commission should delete it or modify it.
This way, we could get fucking good regulation + everything would be transparent, wikipedia style.
>>74375133
This
Lets have a completely free market with china and see if we can compete with slave wages
>>74376356
>How would you do that? Send them to an EU country?
Yes, and possibly just ignore them and paint crosses on their doors or something.
They should be tarred and feathered, put into stocks and their bones bent for high treason against the white race
>>74376430
BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN! THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES EUROPEAN! HOW ON EARTH WILL THEY TRAVEL TO EUROPE IF THEY LEAVE IT?!
PROPAGANDA IN THE POST
>>74375610
america isnt made up of 30 odd countries with 100s of years of seperate culture and history you dingus that is why
>>74375189
>however it is not my place to tell them what they should or should not do as I am not a Britain.
Didn't stop you fucking mongs telling Scotland they should split, did it?
VOTE BREXIT
VOTE INDEPENDENCE
FUCK BRANSON ALL THESE CUNTS ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR BANK CASH
>>74376068
>The EU is constantly reforming
and not one single reform we've opposed has been stopped. We've had effectively 0 influence
>The EU is here to stay and the UK will have to comply with its rules if it leaves.
how does that work? A foreign government imposing laws on an independent nation?
I don't understand.
How are we going to be fucked by you any more than you're currently fucking us?
We've had 0 say in the reforms, how would we suddenly be getting fucked any more if we left and effectively abstained from all future reforms?
>>74374808
No :^)
>>74376683
and no counter points
how fair and balanced
>>74375379
That's the dream.
>>74375900
i know a latvian QT called eve...she was a good shag also and i would be sad to see her get deported...might offer to marry her just to get her a visa and divorce a few weeks later
>>74376775
This pic becomes more relevant each day.
>>74375544
You do realise we have NO say in the EU
We have NO friends and everyone else in Europe has completely different aims for the EU project.
We'd be better off pissing in the wind.
>>74376543
>my dream is an EU wiki
How about an EU without so many fucking regulations? How about a small state EU?
I have a lot of Muslim friends in Britain. If you all vote Leave, I may never get to see them again.
Please. Don't make a decision you're going to regret.
will leaving the EU even affect the amount of muslims coming here?
we're not even part of schengen - is immigration an unrelated issue?
thanks
>>74377152
the EU won't rest until they've pushed their policies into every member state, UK's limited sovereignty is just temporary
>>74376796
>and not one single reform we've opposed has been stopped. We've had effectively 0 influence
The UK has a 95%+ approval rating when it comes to EU laws. Don't try to distort facts.
>>74376796
>how does that work? A foreign government imposing laws on an independent nation?
Yes, if the UK wants to enter the EU market (especially in services), the UK needs to comply with EU laws. This is why Norway and Switzerland need to implement that many EU laws + even pay membership fees despite being non members.
>>74375794
Disagree. Outside the EU we have no way to descriminate against non-white immigrants without going full /pol/, which isn't plausible in the short term.
>>74377016
He dreams of a wiki. kek Typical pathetic lawyer who lives submerged in his own shit and doesn't realize how much it stinks.
Last time someone tried to leave a Union. There was a Civil War I will gladly fight for the british if there is a European War
>>74377078
>Muslim
>friends
Sweden YES!
>>74377016
>How about an EU without so many fucking regulations? How about a small state EU?
That can be created via an EU wiki. There are a LOT of good EU regulations. Things which make sense to create value.
I give you an example. If you have a company which wants to issue 500 million in bonds. How will you go about it? Draft a prospectus in the UK, a separate one in French in France, one in German for Germany etc. so you can address different investors in different countries? Hiring different law firms in each country?
Or do you think it makes sense to just have one single prospectus drafted, following one single set of rules for all of the EU to sell your bonds to investors all across the EU?
>>74374808
YES. the eu a shit. quit thinking about your fucking pocketbooks you anglojews.
>>74374808
Why is this even a question?
>>74377078
haha sweet swedish numale tears
>>74377152
It's a big issue. Nearly half of migrants come from the EU.
Wait until Turkey and Albania join the EU and you will have literally millions of EU Muslims in GB and absolutely no way to stop them.
>>74376775
All those lies, all those delightful lies.
The EU can't and wont kill trade. We are their biggest export market. Cutting us off, after losing all of our funding, would devastate the EU economy.
>UK gets new trade deals
>lifted restrictions
>UK gets £13billion a year back from not paying member fees (more than what it would cost to just pay tarrifs)
>EU loses access to our waters
>has to compete with our derestricted market
Why do people think they'll apply tariffs and restrictions when we can simply apply the same tarrifs to them and RUIN their exports to us, and profit massively.
We have a huge economic bargaining chip, and Germany is already planning to trade with a Free Britain
We know, and they know, it'll hurt us and destroy them if they throw a bitchfit. They'll be cutting off their nose to spite their face if they try to economically attack a free UK
>>74377152
More on Eu migration:
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/eu-referendum#
>>74377078
topcuck olav!
DEPORT
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Please don't leave us in this shithole, I thought we were friends
>>74377333
>He dreams of a wiki. kek Typical pathetic lawyer who lives submerged in his own shit and doesn't realize how much it stinks.
I know that a lot of EU red tape stinks. I deal with it every day.
But I also realize that without EU regulations, lots of companies, e.g. in Germany, just couldn't be global players, but would probably die down, creating unemployment and being overtaken internationally by American and Asian companies.
I want a wiki of EU laws and regulations because this could allow complete transparency and encourage discussion about which laws and regualtions people actually dislike. Don't you think it makes sense to actually point out what should be changed or deleted, rather than just scrap the whole damn thing, even the good parts?
>>74377450
>ex politician, irrelevant old man, says UK will be punished if we leave
>future leader of the free world says we should leave
I wonder who to trust
>>74377510
thanks swebro - yeah turkey is my worry, and cameron seems adamant to get turkey into the EU fast.
just curious - why are you trying to save us? are you just a brit in sweden? why arent you calling me a racist for trying to protect my borders?
>>74377574
Since when?
>>74377581
>implying Germany is not dying down
>implying the EU doesn't have an active part in the dispossession of EUropeans
There is no changing the EU because it is too staffed with socialists at every level and it has proven impossible to change on the crucial migration issue for decades.
I have 0 interest in polishing a turd. Better to start anew new a different type of cooperation.
>>74375002
>275,000 views
>>74377510
That fucking document is brilliant
>a fair and unbiased review
>BTFOs all pro-EU arguments
>>74377574
have your own exit and join forces with us again :^)
>>74377829
Since we stopped fixing bombs to your cars ;)
>yfw Brexit results in more brown non-eu immigration and less white-EU immigration
>>74377716
I want the EU to fall because it is facilitating mass immigration into Europe and the advance of progressivism.
Sweden has been hit by these two more than any other country. The EU was not completely responsible for it in Sweden, but the politicians that rule the EU are very similar o the Swedish self hating politicians.
This woman could literally be given Swedish citizenship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKq_1mGeZXc
>>74377574
You're stuck m8. Its your own fault, fighting for freedom and then diving head first as a minor country into the EU.
Irish Referendum when?
>>74377996
At least they wont be muslim refugees, but instead skilled doctors and engineers
>>74377865
>>implying Germany is not dying down
Germany is not dying. It is doing better than ever.
>>implying the EU doesn't have an active part in the dispossession of EUropeans
Not even sure what you mean. Europe has problems, but the EU can be a vessel to make things better, if only we wanted to make it better.
>>74377957
ULSTER IS BRITISH
>>74377996
>>74377957
You can have it back when you join our Nige's federal united kingdoms of the British Isles.
>>74377078
Y E S
>>74378214
>mfw weedman would say no
>>74377078
crucify yourself desu senpai
>>74378214
Doesn't matter what some literallywho organisation wants. Literally no politician has proposed this. Canadians don't want it. Aussies don't want it. Kiwis dont want it.
Why would he exclude other commonwealth wog nations? Opponents will instantly catch on and blast it to fuck with the dirty R word
>implying democracy is desirable
>>74378147
>Germany is not dying.
kek. Maybe you missed the part where you have an aging population, about the world's lowest fertility rate, and record immigration from the Middle East.
>Europe has problems
It goes beyond that, the EU IS a problem. It is built on egalitarian, internationalist ideas and uniting countries as different as the European ones was always a bad idea anyway.
On top of that you have anti-discrimination laws, generous asylum laws, active importation of Africans, restrictions on free speech.
Where it mattes to me and to the white race, it is 95% shite.
>>74378584
>implying paying taxes to fund some EU scumbag is desirable
>>74376683
>>74376775
Holy shit, soviet propaganda has got nothing on you britbongs.
>>74374808
Britbong are cucked faggots. They don't have the balls to vote "NO".
Fuckin' cunts
>>74378584
fuck off germany you have ruined civilization three times over you dont get to talk here. You destroyed rome, you destroyed modern europe twice, and you're destroying it a fourth time with mass third world immigration and tyrannical control of the EU.
Democracy is fine, just don't let a kraut touch it.
>>74377078
>>74378683
Our government spent 9 million pounds of taxpayer money mailing everyone pro-EU propaganda through the post before the "official" campaign started.
>>74376683
>it's your vote
>but we'd like you to vote our way :^)
>>74378644
>kek. Maybe you missed the part where you have an aging population, about the world's lowest fertility rate, and record immigration from the Middle East.
The aging population meme is idiotic. Even before the recent illegal immigration meme, the German population has gone up and the birth rate has increased since 2012.
>>74378644
>It is built on egalitarian, internationalist ideas and uniting countries as different as the European ones was always a bad idea anyway.
This is nonsense. Nobody is trying to make Europeans into "egalitarians" or "uniting countries as one" - actually read what the EU actually does and what competencies it has.
It is easy to trash things you have no clue about. But trashing things you hate, doesn't make you sound very intelligent, if you base your statements on myths.
>>74378691
>Democracy is fine,
delusions
>>74379063
its not perfect but its better than the rest
>>74379126
Prove it.
>>74377078
>I may never get to see them again.
Not to worry, lad. We'll deport them to Sweden.
>>74379183
all of the best countries in the world are democratic
>>74375133
"Back in the good ol' days chaps when we ruled the world and people eat half a loaf of bread a week and your daughter was on the Spinning Jenny by age 10". Yeah don't get caught up in that shit, leave the EU because they run it like FIFA, not because you want to fuck workers rights.
>>74378988
>The aging population meme is idiotic
It's a fact.
>Even before the recent illegal immigration meme, the German population has gone up and the birth rate has increased since 2012.
If there has been any increase, it was not due to ethnic Germans but migrants.
>This is nonsense. Nobody is trying to make Europeans into "egalitarians" or "uniting countries as one" - actually read what the EU actually does and what competencies it has.
I've actually studied EU law at the university, which is why I know that "ever closing union" is part of the treaties. So your claims are literally bullshit. It is designed to have ever more power and leave less power to the states.
The EU is against discrimination and free speech, hence it promotes egalitarianism.
>>74378214
It breaks my heart that I cannot freely move to the other countries in the world that are most similar to my own. Each country is just that little be different from the others, but still close enough to be able to hit the ground running when you arrive.
Instead I'm stuck in the EU, where I'm free to move to Bulgaria and Romania. Wow, thanks. What a fucking great deal.
>>74378988
>The aging population meme is idiotic
Yeah ok hans
>Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - study
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32929962
Believing eu will allow you to leave, don't be so naive.
>>74376514
This is my second favourite, the old
>it will all be so uncertain! Except it will be terrible, that is certain
My favourite being the UK being too small to survive alone, but having enough influence (according to the IMF) to crash the globe if we leave.
These cunts just can't make their mind up
>>74379345
Question: when Starbucks, Apple, Facebook etc are discovered to not pay any taxes in the UK, does anyone ever stand up and say that they only pay taxes in one of EU country of their choice (which will never be Britain), and this is how the EU was always supposed to work?
Or do you guys just swallow all the bullshit about evil corporate tax dodgers and tax loopholes? It's not a fucking loophole that's the core principle of the common market, which you guys accepted in a referendum
>>74379399
>It's a fact.
What's a fact? Are you going to try and geometrically grow your population forever?
>>74374808
>should Britian leave the EU?
100 times yes! it is better to drown in shit than to be part of the EU!
at this point if the vote was
stay in EU
or leave EU and chop off your left hand. the brits should vote leave.
better to rule than to compromise.
>>74378936
They are getting desperate. That's a good sign, must mean people really want to leave, otherwise they wouldn't be spending that much money on propaganda. Hope you will see through the lies.
>>74375610
>Why is your state part of the United States of America?
Because the original 13 states consolidated their western territorial claims under the jurisdiction of the federal government, and then after the population increased there was a referendum for statehood.
>Why are you not for independence?
Because we're Americans.
>>74379524
so easy to squash your argument, just like how easy it was to annihilate you in ww1 & ww2
>>74375002
why isn't anyone hacking new networks and broadcasting this? Even fucking max headroom managed this in the 80s.
The question is: Will happen anything even if you leave?
>>74379573
You need about 2,1 children per woman to sustain a demographic. Germany is far from this. It is growing older and dying out with the world's lowest fertility rate..
Fucking hell we must leave. Under no circumstances can you stay at home for this. Every vote counts.
You should literally be figuring out how you personally can squeeze every vote out
>>74379797
Maybe not the absolute lowest but just about. 1,4 is a dying population.
>>74379806
it would help if the leave parties stopped qualing with each other. The remain side is literally pissing themselves with joy over it
>>74379806
Work on your family and friends, bullshit them if you have to. This is our last chance.
>>74379652
>just like how easy it was to annihilate you in ww1 & ww2
And isn't it ironic that you'd be speaking German right now without generous support paid for by American taxpayer money that was "democratically" allocated to you for the good cause?
>implying democracy is powerful enough to coordinate a society
>implying democracy can even be realized
>>74379980
>And isn't it ironic that you'd be speaking German right now without generous support paid for by American taxpayer money that was "democratically" allocated to you for the good cause?
how so?
Your logic seems flawed
>>74379448
Im Jahr 2014 nahm nach vorläufigen Ergebnissen die Bevölkerungszahl Deutschlands im Vergleich zum Vorjahr um 430 000 Personen (+ 0,5 %) zu und lag am Jahresende bei 81,2 Millionen Einwohnern. Dies ist der höchste Bevölkerungszuwachs seit 1992, der damals mit + 700 000 Personen deutlich höher gewesen war. 2013 hatte es einen Anstieg von 244 000 Personen (+ 0,3 %) gegeben. Zum 30. September 2015 lebten 81,8 Millionen Menschen in Deutschland.
In English:
2012: 80.5 million people
2013: 80.8 million people (+244k)
2014: 81.2 million people (+430k)
2015 (september): 81.8 million people (+600k)
Currently, it is estimated that as of April 2016 there are about 82.7 million people (+850k) in Germany.
If that isn't a rapidly expanding population, what is? Germany has, among all EU states, the fastest growing population.
>>74379696
Everything will change. Overnight.
The rich and powerful will realize the people have spoken.
They will leave the EU and start working in the interests of the people. They will outright ignore the lobbies, they will sacrifice everything they own, their assets, their businesses, the futures of their families, EVERYTHING just to help their own. They will close their offshore account and pay taxes. They will improve Britain. And the key to all of this? #Brexit Guaranteed.
>>74376543
>EU law
We're perfectly capable of making our own, thank you.
>>74379557
But it is a stupid way, I live in Jersey (le greatest tax haven in the world) and the way that big corporations can funnell all their money into Luxembourg or whatever so they can pay no tax is bullshit, taxes should be paid for profit made in that country, obviously this will never change but it's how it should be. It's like when movie producers say they will pay the original author 5% of profit from the movie and make up bull shot costs and throw around the money so they technically make a loss
>>74380083
That is correct, but you can thank ahmed for it.
>>74379806
Arm yourself with these britbro.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/eu-referendum#
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472949/David-Cameron-REFUSES-release-figures-prove-true-level-EU-migration-UK.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/immigration-from-europe-cost-the-british-taxpayer-3m-a-day-last/
Brexit may be like Trump for America: a former power's last chance to survive.
>>74375002
Fucking laughed my ass when he started talking about the French.
Never change brits.
>>74380026
Had it not been for the Americans to kick our asses back, Germany would've won. Twice. It's a shame we didn't. Europe would be a lot more prosperous now. Instead, it's a pile of shambles while Americans and Chinese lead the GDP charts.
I'm happy the EU is here to bring at least a little order into this awful mess. You want it gone? Why the fuck?
>>74379980
It's called representative democracy you fucking mongoloid. We don't have to fucking vote on every issue, but we need to be able to say we voted for the guy making the decisions and hold him accountable.
>>74380103
>We're perfectly capable of making our own, thank you.
How could you make laws that allow British companies to e.g. raise capital from investors across Europe without having to observe EU law?
Serious question. Every single larger capital raising is done Europe wide and in most cases also with private placements internationally.
>>74377574
>britain leaves EU
>other countries wanting to be with us
Is this how the second Empire will start?
>>74380083
This is not rocket science, isnät it? You have an increasing population but a fertility rate well below replacement level. What does it mean? You are getting a lot of migrants. Million if you count both legal and illegal.
>>74380389
WWI your economy got BTFO
WWII Ruskie bro did his job
Your point?
>>74377581
The regulations don't help any companies. It just puts more limits on the products that European companies make. Especially if you're a manufacturing country buying in good from other countries. Imagine if you're a small business and you attempting to make a product yet you have to constantly stay within bullshit regulations that have been put into place by bureaucrats with no knowledge on the product, or by corporations who are trying to keep competition to a minimum.
The Tariffs and Quotas are what keep a lot of the shit business in Europe alive. They block or make it damn near impossible for Asian, African, or American companies to bring good into Europe to compete with ones we produce ourselves. Besides putting Quotas and Tariffs onto non-EU products will hurt the consumer by driving prices up.
It makes absolute no sense for the EU to continue to prop up dying businesses instead of letting the factory unfuck itself and actually make itself competitive.
>>74380421
>representative democracy
Gee whiz, it's an entire half of an ounce more democratic than a parliamentary monarchy.
>>74380083
Yes that's population growth, NOT birthrate
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jan/06/refugee-influx-helps-halt-decline-in-germanys-population
>>74380389
so you're admitting outright you would have been fine with people like me not existing due to Hitler winning just because you think you'd prosper?
Glad you krauts got it in the ass then.
>>74380298
>That is correct, but you can thank ahmed for it.
So Ahmed came to Germany in 2012 and 2013 and 2014?
Don't be ridiculous. We actually have to thank Olek and Malgorazata from Poland, Ivan and Natalia from Russia and Maurice and Ivette from France.
>>74380389
Yeah, we saw the "order" last year with the migration.
Here is more "order"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKq_1mGeZXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AzBXNDNBtQ
>mfw leaving EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXPRbOvWOGo
>>74380389
You mean Russia right?
>>74380566
So how did Adolf work out for you? You're right democracy is overrated.
> inB4 we voted him in
Enabling Act fucked you.
I like the eu because I've got an icome from inherited assets but am a NEET with a criminal record so no one will give me a resident's permit but I want to go and live out in Eastern Europe where the rent and the beer and fags are cheap and fuck slav women.
>>74380744
In WW1, Russia surrendered. In WW2, the Nazis would've taken Moscow if it hadn't been for FDR.
No matter what you do, Europe neither wants to be separated nor democratic.
>>74380565
90% of the jobs are linked to large companies and those companies need a big market. If you kill the EU, those larger companies will have a problem to compete internationally, thus resulting in job losses and economic stagnation.
Again, there is a reason why free trade is important and companies love free trade. If free trade would actually be detrimental to business, companies would long have killed it. 94% of EU's laws and regulations relate to free trade.
>>74380905
Those are all Jewish arguments.
An Englishman going back to the farms and shires is hardly a fate worse than death.
Saw something on the portuguese news today that said 55% of brits wanted to stay.
Is it true or is it UK government-made polls?
>>74380437
They honestly believe they will be able to participate in the common market without common regulations.
The best thing is to imagine this - imagine a country like Romania being part of the common market without having to follow regulations.
They would produce lots of meat, I mean millions of tons of meat, growing in filth, eating gypsy cum and then they would export it to the EU with no one to stop them.
Danish pork for example, grown in farms where people take care of the animals and feed them nutritious feed would cost 10 euros per kilogram and Romanian gypsy cum meat would cost 1 euro. Good luck competing against something like that, danish farmer.
This is of course an exaggeration, but why would the danish farmer agree to this? Why would he
follow regulations that dictate humane treatment of animals and agree to let bacon that has been fed shit and slaughtered with multiple hits of a mallet to the head into stores in his country?
>>74380867
>the Nazis would've taken Moscow
oh right instead of Hitler being such a strategic dumbass he thought marching into Russia in the middle of a severe winter was a sure fire way to sack a government?
Napoleon tried it and fucked up. Maybe Adolf should have got the memo?
he's The Electoral Commission's guide in case you missed it in the post lads
>>74380993
Unfortunately IN has always had an advantage but it's swinging fairly quickly, it was 70% a year ago.
I'm just waiting for Anton the Romanian with his PHD to show up. That said, he's probably passed out by now after huffing all that lighter fluid.
>>74381098
>unbiased
>makes the remain more positive with big CAPS and pictures of people looking happy and unified
unbiased my ass
>>74380389
you are a fucking retard that hasnt learnt anything about either of the wars.
stop trying to be an edgy fucking idiot cuckold faggot and actually learn the reasons why the first world war happened, which directly causes the second. fucking dickhead, educate yourself instead of being an edgy teenager.
>>74381098
So fair and unbiased!
>>74381206
>why the first world war happened
because Germany was about to outmatch France and Britain
>>74381340
you're showing your edgy.
Ever head of Franz Ferdinand and Austria-Hungary?
Thought not.
>>74381098
Jesus christ. The proles probably eat this shit up too.
The media, jews, british gov't, EU gov't... they're all anti-brexit. And they're all shilling 110% for this.
Is there actually any chance of britbongistan getting out?
>>74381206
You know, you're alright Sweden. Pls join United Kingdom Economic Community.
>>74374808
Yes!
>>74380905
That's your problem. If your company can only operate successfully in a closed market where it can freely bend the rules to suit its needs, then it is doing something terribly wrong.
Now, I do fully agree with the free trade deal between European countries, but that can be achieved without all the political bullshit that surrounds it.
The EU is a complete joke right now. It goes against the fundamentals of democracy and business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7IlaWV9LFM
Thoughts on this? Seems like a fairly frank exchange that avoids the shitslinging of media debates but Rees-mogg still doesn't seem to agree with the Prime Minister after his reply.
>>74381429
That was just the spark. Every educated person knows it happened then and there to obliterate the Berlin-Baghdad railway plans that would've given us the most favorable position in the oil market.
>>74380437
What the hell are you on about? Why should investment require EU regulations? You just observe the rules applicable to the country in which the company operates, like every other fucking non-EU country on the fucking planet. My God, your mewling attempts to justify protectionism are pathetic.
>>74381671
Yes it was the spark and it was the cause of WW1, not "Germany is strongest" like you flat out claimed
>>74381206
11. If we voted to leave would we be obliged to accept free movement in order to have free trade with the EU?
Not necessarily. Canada and the EU have recently agreed a free trade agreement which does not entail free movement of EU citizens to Canada.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/eu-referendum#
http://news.migrationwatch.org.uk/2016/03/30/the-immigration-aspects-of-the-eu-canada-economic-and-trade-agreement
>>74381206
Never thought I'd say this but...Based Sweden.
>>74374808
Dad, get help. Please.
>>74381429
lmfao, im on your side here but that was not the real reason. it was merely the imperial powers coming to a head over numerous different issues. if you seriously think the imperial powers all went into massive debt and sent millions of men to die because they were outraged that some serb shot an austrian prince then youre deluded.
>>74381041
That's why we have Health and Safety Laws. All you would need to do is implement a class system of some sorts onto food imports, customers would then buy accordingly and there would be a higher demand for the better quality meat.
Guys, why do I get the unsettling feeling the leave side is going to lose by default? I don't like the sound of it but it seems likely.
>>74381776
Sorry but German bro is right, assassination was a catalyst not a cause of WWI. The main issues were structural, alliance system and shift in economic power to Germany and America. But he's still an EU shill and WWI has fuck all to do with this thread so please take your shitposting elsewhere.
>>74381842
Of course Arch Duke Franze Ferdinand was a real person. And he would have stayed a real live person if his driver wasn't so shit at getaways
>>74381918
Because you're a shill. Here is your (you).
>>74381992
Yeah I get it. I'll be the first to recognise that WW1 was just a big shit slapping grudge match between countries but his murder was still the thing that set it off
>>74381776
> not "Germany is strongest" like you flat out claimed
I flat out claimed Germany was about to become the strongest. Left unchecked, the German Reich and Austria-Hungary would've been five times more powerful than Britain, France and Russia combined. The continent would've been ours to own, which is why the British leaders did everything in their power to make this war happen, even sidestepping their own pride to ally with France and Russia.
>>74381054
He also got dragged like a dumbass into a dick measuring contest with lenin/stalingrad that wasted men and supplies.
Thanks for fucking it up with that "rub nose in diversity" comment, Nige. I swear he must have bene paid or something. What a complete fuck up.
>>74382040
got it wrong pal. I'm voting leave but I just have this suspicion that something's going to clintch it and I get the feeling it will be fiddling votes
>>74381918
Because you're not the first to ever have to deal with this kind of shit. Imperium in imperio happens quite often in the world, you know. America, Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Russia, Australia, China, India, and so on and so forth. In the US they're called states rights issues. Now the Europeans are faced with it, and you think you're a special case? Get over yourselves.
>>74381776
No it wasn't. You sound dumb now claiming Europe went to war for one duke. Even that assassination was part of a bigger picture of Austria wanting to crush Serbia after earlier annexing Bosnia from the falling Ottoman Empire and Serbs wanting to unite with their compatriots outside of their borders. But yes, German is correct, Britain and Germany fought because they were Imperial rivals.
>>74379980
>And isn't it ironic that you'd be speaking German right now...
Just like all East Germans are all speaking Russian now?
>>74378691
>three
More like twenty
>>74382070
No you flat out claimed WW1 was started by Germany being about to take out another country in battle.
Like so:
>>74381206
>why the first world war happened
>because Germany was about to outmatch France and Britain
I'm tired of your bullshit. Go read a book and brush up on your history. Off with you now.
>>74382218
Yes, only difference being that our yoke over you would've been permanent.
>>74381992
franz ferdinand was the triggering condition for all the competiting imperial powers to go at each other. the war was not OVER the assassination, it was the trigger of it. the german is to be perfectly honest with you right that britain and france were scared that germany was overtaking them. france completely despised the germans and were scared of them after they conquered alsace-lorraine in the franco-prussian war and us british were triggered that they were building a navy that could match ours and were poking around in africa. the germans made a massive mistake in trying to challenge our navy, and bismarck even warned wilhem against doing this.
>>74374808
yes
>Anglos
>white
this is what I think about Brexit
>>74380905
>90% of the jobs are linked to large companies
Nope. Completely wrong.
>According to the Department of BIS data, a ‘small’ business is one which has between 0 and 49 employees. ‘Medium’-sized firms employ between 50 and 249 employees, and ‘large’ firms employ 250 or more.
>99.2% of all businesses are ‘small’, 0.6% are ‘medium’, and a mere 7,000 firms are ‘large’ according to the official definitions.
>Between them, these small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) employ 14.4m people and turnover around £1.6bn per year.
>This also means that the 7,000 ‘large’ firms generate £1.7bn between them, and employ almost 10 million people between them.
The UK Labour market is 33 million, so we're talking about 33% of people in work that are employed in a large business.
The EU REMAIN side states that 3 million jobs are linked to the EU - so that's roughly 10% of all jobs. Not 'quite' 90%.
>Again, there is a reason why free trade is important and companies love free trade. If free trade would actually be detrimental to business, companies would long have killed it. 94% of EU's laws and regulations relate to free trade.
It's only free trade within the EU. That's the point of contention.
>>74382143
I think we'll vote to Leave but it'll be incredibly close, maybe something like (55% Leave - 45% Stay).
Also, technically Parliament can deny us from Leaving if they really wanted, it'd be political suicide for any politician that did it, but they can still legally do it. But I wouldn't be surprised if the SNP tried blocking it.
>>74381850
Let me get this straight, in case of a brexit your country would still comply with EU laws to make sure they could import produce into the EU?
What's the point of leaving the EU if you are going to follow it's rules regardless?
What if we decide to change the laws? You would have no say in how we conduct business if you left.
We could ban the import of chocolate that contains british milk.
The possibilities are endless.
>>74382143
They'll have a hard time getting away with it. If substantial allegations of vote-rigging come and there is any attempt to brush it under the carpet, it would be literal suicide for the political classes.
>>74376286
brits backing whites in SA would be glorious
also a shitstorm but whatever YOLO
>>74382291
>by Germany being about to take out another country
Yes
>in battle
No, economically, of course that's a topic Britons can't be too affiliated with, considering your insane views on politics.
>>74382070
>even sidestepping their own pride to ally with France and Russia.
so you basically mean realpolitik? the thing your entire nation was built on?
>>74382141
Blame the nigger for spending most of the debate attacking her own side.
That said he fucked up by claiming Mandelson said it when he didn't. It was a Labour speechwriter.
>>74375610
honestly states are just like counties in your countries
except since our country is so damn big, we go a step up
cuz well americalogic
>>74382355
>>74382396
Last poll gives remain an 18 point lead so I don't think so.
It's still the good fight so I wish you all the luck.
>>74382334
I blame this retard
>>74374808
>Yes.
>>74382307
>Yes, only difference being that our yoke over you would've been permanent
It's all fantasy and hypothesis really isn't it.. "if, should have, would have, could have"
>>74382522
Forging alliances with barbarians is not Realpolitik, it's just reckless.
Albeit you Britons are barbarians too, so it probably makes sense from your pespective.
>>74382651
Anglos are not hiding it anymore
>>74376543
>tl;dr path to hell is paved with good intentions
>>74382793
>>74382767
okay now youre just memeing
>>74382890
>Anglos
>white
>>74382440
>Let me get this straight, in case of a brexit your country would still comply with EU laws to make sure they could import produce into the EU What's the point of leaving the EU if you are going to follow it's rules regardless?
The idea is that any business and trade NOT to do with the EU do NOT have to follow EU regs. The rest will continue to do so. At the moment all UK business have to follow EU regs.
>>74382793
How are you not angry that dumb fuck undid all of Bismark's careful diplomacy?
>>74382440
Did you read anything I said?
I said if we were to leave the EU, and the issue of meat imports became a serious issue all we would need to do is implement a law that forces companies that sell to the UK to abide by a class system, which would cover topics like; Conditions it was kept, how it was killed etc. I don't see how in any way that's us following the EU regulations, they may be similar, but they would be our own?
> We could ban British imports
And what is the point of that? Countries only tend to buy products from other countries when they're better/cheaper than the ones that they make (Or they don't make them at all). It would make absolute no sense to ban British imports unless they were defected.
And then whats stopping Britain from doing it to the EU? We could ban companies from selling Oil to the EU, or mass deporting any citizen that moved to Britain under the free movement that the EU provided.
If EU countries want to be childish enough to stop trading with a country that DEMOCRATICALLY left, then that's their issue. We would simply seek trade elsewhere.
>>74382921
Deep down, you know it's true. You're just a feral island folk and all your marks on history were only possible because based Europa is nearby.
>>74374808
I am totally uninformed about this debate.
Please tell me, what are the pros and cons of Britain exiting the EU? What does Britain stand to gain or lose?
>>74382583
Hell even if we don't leave we've started a fire across Europe, and with any luck you'll start to see other EU countries holding their own referendum on the EU.
>>74383197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>74383148
>aryans
>ubermensch
>>74376543
>everything would be transparent, wikipedia style
jesus you krauts truly are delusional
>just like my bikibebia
>>74383148
>>74382141
I don't think there's a single anti-immigration party in this country that isn't controlled opposition in some way or other.
The entire system is rigged to fuck. Ain't no way we'll be leaving, they'd have never allowed the referendum in the first place, if so.
>>74383161
>>74383307
savages
>>74382442
No it wouldn't, we're a nation of cucks who never kick up a fuss about anything the establishment does, or doesn't, do.
>>74376683
Hahahaha "independent", but all of their sources are government departments that are pro-eu
>>74383579
>>74376171
States that have very similar cultures and speak same language vs Actual nations who differ greatly and speak different languages
>>74383753
We Brits have always been a moderate and reserved people. We were never even really good at nationalism. This is why I fear for us as a people. For example the Germans have always been a relatively conformist people, so you can imagine one day they will finally snap and all collectively return to their roots, while us Brits have always been somewhere in the middle.
>>74374808
YES, DON'T LOOK BEHIND SAVE YOURS-
*london mayor*
oh shit it has started already it's too late
>>74383753
Okay.
>>74378162
You said the same about Ireland and Africa few decades ago. Where is it now? :^)
>>74377476
>Why do people think they'll apply tariffs and restrictions when we can simply apply the same tarrifs to them and RUIN their exports to us, and profit massively.
exactly and i as a layman can see it
iven if euro market closes for you, which it wont, you can easily open "new" markets which are currently restricted by liberal-bullshit agenda
>>74384290
>States that have very similar cultures and speak same language vs Actual nations who differ greatly and speak different languages
So it is all about language? If all Europeans were to speak English, then a United States of Europe would be a-ok?
Aren't the Scottish speaking Scottish and the Welsh Welsh and the Irish Irish?
>>74384819
>Aren't the Scottish speaking Scottish and the Welsh Welsh and the Irish Irish?
kek
>>74377581
>But I also realize that without EU regulations, lots of companies, e.g. in Germany, just couldn't be global players, but would probably die down
good job selling yourself short dumbass
is it better to hold up appearance you are good and efficient at what you do at expense of others or die gracefully?
german=efficiency is a meme long gone
german people died 45, youre just prolonging the agony
>>74374808
What a lot of faggots on here fail to realise is:
>if we leave, good
>if we don't, the EU will keep fucking up and, whether by ballot or force, we will leave
We're not in this forever, lads. We will leave this union within our lifetime.
>>74376770
If only they had.
Scotland would be fucked.
We'd have an unassailable conservative majority.
A vote to leave would be much more likely.
Labour would be fucked forever.
