Redpill me on TTIP.
Who benefits the most?
Corporations? Jews? Both?
I know it's not the common man.
the ruling class
Probably the consumer
Happy merchants.
Citizens only get fucked in the ass. I can live without that one coffee a month.
>>73868981
The 1%
Huge cooperations and jews.
Its the worst piece of legislation for small business ever created in my life.
t. Import/export small business owner
>>73868981
It's another stepping stone for Jews and Protestants to keep their economical hegemony and making sure they aren't spoken against
>>73869280
I bet you love the EU.
Most frogs are total sissy submissive slaves to the EU. Youre almost as bad as germans in your support for the EU.
At least in UK they have to fix the vote for us to stay in the EU. They would not even need to if you even got a refforendum in france haha
Although free market doesn't need treaties, just the removal of customs. This is going to be yet another fascist move to impose more and more regulations over people, like the treaty with Singapore, which is forcing them to put a minimum wage when they are doing fantastic without it.
Corporations and the political establishment.
It's a big step towards economic and political integration of the US and EU.
>>73868981
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozj0qwnMGZ0
Not the people.
USA want to sell their hormones meat and gmo food in Europe.
Guys, also avoid aspartame, is an artificial sweeter by Monsanto used mainly in light products.
>>73869385
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
Come back when you vote for brexit.
If we put a Label on foods with GMOs for example, saying it may be hazardous, the company making that can say Hey, you are hurting our sales with that so we are gonna overturn your laws and sell our shit without the labels.
Also people who mod video games like Fallout can be thrown in jail.
I've never seen a conclusive argument against it that didn't amount to 'muh feels, muh gmos, muh hormones in meat' or 'muh government can't be sued by le evil corporations!'.
I see it as a chance to overthrow our strict ass gun laws, because they would make it very difficult for US arms manufacturers to enter the european market and thus they could potentially sue.
So I'm kinda for TTIP. Also because I'm a contrarian.
>>73868981
Everyone really.
Those that spout memes like "censorship" and "private tribunals" are tinfoil hatters/fedoras.
>>73868981
Whenever you see those 2 flags next to each others it basically means there's the globalist establishement pushing something furthermore in disfavour of the sovereignty of the people
>>73868981
China and the biggest of business.
>>73868981
Corporations; it's the European version of the TPP
say bye bye to public health care and public services if it passes
www.citizen.org/TPP
>>73868981
it's the free market.
the only ones complaining are autistic stormfags and lefties
>>73869807
STFU CIA shill - that's EXACTLY what it fucking is
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-04/ttip-american-economic-imperialism-exposed
>>73869635
>muh feels, muh gmos, muh hormones in meat'
so we in europe makes some rules so our companies has to invest bilions so price of our food is higher then we let someone who doesnt follows these rules and can produce cheaper food and let them flood our market? seems legit. same as with china man, our companies have strict limits on polution, wages of workers etc so their shits are much more expensive then china shit, then we let them here too? i mean you let already 2 milions of niggers here i guess you are rly trying to destroy europe. europe is fkcing pathetic thx to these rules, we are totaly irrelevant compared to asia or usa and now if we let this go thru we are gonna be third world shithole with 30% uneployment and milions of niggers on our soil. gg.
>>73869635
so you like outsourcing of jobs and globalism?
>>73870451
Oops, confused that up with TPP. But yes, >>73870453
basically that, could care less about the public services BS desu. The internet and corporations being over to overturn countries laws. Yeah fuck that.
>>73868981
No one and especially not Europe apart if you want to be like a fat disgusting american, fed with hormones and GMO
It basicall means: Send all western jobs to china and the east to make economy go up. Who cares of what happens in the long term lol.
>>73868981
>>73870488
good goy
>>73870500
[image of a tinfoil fedora]
Edgy child that can't into neither economics nor politics thinks he knows shit detected.
Finish kindergarten before you post
>>73870890
Classic CIA demoralizing bullshit - the part about laws being overturned in corporate tribunals is there for everyone to read.
hope you die a slow and agonizing death
>>73869635
Corporations can sue government for policies that harm their profit. Case is resolved at an arbitration court. This alone should tell younwhy it's awful.
It's America wanting to get its grubby mitts all over Europe. A starbucks and Maccy D's on every corner from London to Tbilisi.
America sees EU expansion into the Balkans as a chance to westernise these countries (i.e, make more money for American companies).
>>73870961
>lol I can back off a contract anytime I want with no consequences! FUK DA RULEZ! 2 KEWL 4 SKEWL
That's how you sound right now.
>>73870860
good comrade keep hating on those ebil jewish corporations. trust the state.
>>73871018
germany didn't even have subways 14 years ago, why would they need it? all the variety of shops and restaurants, literally every cuisine you could find right at your doorstep practically within walking distance if you lived in a city with any relevance. all the financial crisis did was hinder competition for the big corporations from the family ran and owned businesses that employed the majority of society. bankrupted them out of competing against the likes of mcdonalds
>>73871063
Because corporations should be allowed to overturn any laws they want for cutting into their profit margin and censor the internet on top of it...
>>73868981
Rich people from poor countries get richer
Poor people from rich countries get poorer
i.e everyone get fucked in the ass if they aren't already an industry tycoon. You need to understand that in that context, "poor" means "not rich", so that's even you upper middle class faggots
>>73869556
Based toothpaste knows
>>73871218
>Because corporations should be allowed to overturn any laws they want for cutting into their profit margin
good those are socialist anti-free market laws anyways
>censor the internet on top of it...
source?
Multinational corporations.
It's basically a hostile takeover of the world by the biggest companies. It's Shadowrun without the magic becoming real.
>>73869556
False equivalence.
Try again you frog lover
>>73869635
>So I'm kinda for TTIP. Also because I'm a contrarian.
>muhh creationism is real, im a contrarian lolokeke xD
>>73869635
Germans are the scum of europe.
Mostly all pro-EU
The onoy country you will find cunts like this guy who sctually support TTIP.
Literally hate germany more then muslims
>>73871347
It's a meme. Pure and simple.
Retards can't into IP laws.
>>73870500
exactly!
i cant trust trump because the imperial big nose pharacees khazar inbred supremacist kikes like him way too much... he is an agent provocateur like the crypto sephardi Hitler, who created the controlled opposition known as nazis to assist the zionist goal of herding jews to the globalist banker invented pseudo country named israel/palestine
all while justifying and normalizing the demonization of several gentile butterheaded stupid blondes and fat soulless gingers considered roundfaced PIEfaced proto indo european trash by the bird faced and rat faced imperial ethnocratic oligarchy dominating and raping all indigenous groups into a world full of half kikes tainted with several genetic defects from their inbred sires and leading to a genetic drift that will cause genetic bottleneck
>>73869635
>Also because I'm a retard.
FTFY
>>73868981
Nobody aside the top 0,01% in industry and finance.
>>73871429
http://www.dw.com/en/majority-of-germans-oppose-ttip-survey-shows/a-19237302
>>73871673
>still parroting the "1%" meme
Are people really that stupid? The TTIP means you'll be able to get more and more varied products for less
everyone benefits
me i benefit by getting to see anti-capitalist leftists rage about it
>>73871771
Yeah, who cares about giving up even more of your already crumbling national sovereignty for the absolutely privilege of being able to buy American made junk food. Awesome!
>>73869591
Alternatively, they can just sue the state for projected losses and get their money out of our taxes.
>>73868981
Beaurocrats, politicians and big business. Don't worry though, the EU racket will be disassembled by votes or by bullets and bombs.
>>73871771
that worked out great for america. furniture that's made in asia unless you want to spend as much money you could get for a new car for furniture that isn't shit that you'd be able to buy in america during the 90s when the majority of furniture makers didn't either outsource manufacturing overseas or go out of business.
here's another example, in the late 80's you could buy a very high end rack stereo system for $2000. these days for the same audio quality you'd get for a $2k stereo in the late 80s, you have to spend $20,000 nowadays.
same thing with cars, since the dollar went to shit thanks to the wars, carmakers had to either make them cheap boring soap looking piles of boring shit thanks to all the money they have to pour in for safety so idiots don't sue them for something the buyer did, which made cars become smaller, or bigger and just boring and plain as fuck, or you have to continuously buy expensive cars just so you drive something that isn't as boring, but won't last like cars made before the mid 90s
less competition for the big corporations, means everything becomes more and more shit
>>73872010
>here's another example, in the late 80's you could buy a very high end rack stereo system for $2000. these days for the same audio quality you'd get for a $2k stereo in the late 80s, you have to spend $20,000 nowadays.
What is inflation for 500 Hans?
>>73872133
$2000 in the late 80s would only be $4000 now. but is jvc making stereos still? kenwood? aiwa?
>>73871771
Yes, let's force people to have the same reglementations when they don't have the sames economic and environnemental issues or concerns while killing the rest of sovereignity we still have.
And let's throwing the standards built during decades to enhance safety and health in the bin, because who need quality local products when you can have cheap shitty goods producted on the other side of the ocean ?
You are a fucking scum.
>>73872133
>inflation is good, natural and inevitable
even ikea is shit. gone are the furniture that was made out of solid wood, unless it's just really shitty looking crap. why? because normies don't fucking care about something made out of sound materials, just something that looks nice even if it's made with shit materials that won't last like solid wood
>>73871429
Of course they like the EU, they run it.
>>73872464
it is if you don't want to starve to death you fucking lolbertarian jew-slave
>>73872764
germans are autistic
>>73872174
Kenwood and JVC yes.
>>73872842
car stereos, but what about home stereos? completely gone. jvc doesn't even make tv's anymore and their tvs were just as good as sony's, toshiba another quality tv maker, another casualty of normies buying shit like samsungs
>>73872435
Yeah, the same regolamentations are bad because I love have to sift through 50 tons of paper and decades of contradictory laws if I want to sell something and then going mad because everyone uses a different screw with different threading meaning more complications
>>73872943
But Samsungs latest offerings actually kill it.
>>73873127
fuck samsung, their price advantage is completely gone. now that they killed the majority of tv competition and now its basically sony lg panasonic left, they can start demanding ridiculous prices for their tv's
>>73873220
Well until they do it's not really a valid complaint, and if they killed anyone it's because their Smart TV line blows everything else out of the water at that price.
>>73868981
The Jews of course. Did you even have to ask?
>>73873265
what's the point of smart tv's again? you could hook up a fucking mac mini or some other computer to a tv and you wouldn't need to bother with having your tv collect what shit you watch, when you watch it, what you do on it, and having it all sent to samsung in the background. smart for them since they can eventually start putting ads in the menus
>>73873360
Yeah, you could spend way more money on another peripheral or you could just have one device at a sane price.
Why are you getting mad about things that haven't happened?
>>73873439
so let's just live in some sterile photoshopped type of environment that some autist would be pleased with? because a tv should do everything a fucking computer does?
>>73872788
Elaborate please. If my purchasing power is continually reduced I will starve to death. Pleb.
>>73869123
Top kek
>>73868981
>Who benefits the most?
Evil multinational corporations.
That's why the treaty is top secret, and not even our members of parliament who are supposed to vote on it get to read it entirely.
I hear they now have a reading room, but there's not the entire contract laid out in that room. Some parts are still being kept secret.
This can't be good.
>>73873571
>what is economics 101
>>73869123
Surely!
>>73873543
You are insane dude. Peace.
>>73869635
Germany always fucking Europe. First with refugees now with America who wants to fuck Europe. Europe has to fight against world.
>>73873638
>evil
Birch please.
And the reason why it's "secret" is because the public at large doesn't neither care nor understand international economics.
The fact that everyone jumped up on the TTIP=THE ANTICHRIST boat is the proof of that.
>>73868981
YOU DON'T NEED REGULATIONS AND TREATIES FOR FAIR AND FREE TRADE.
GOVERNMENT STAY THE FUCK OUT REEEEEEEEE. JUST LET BUSINESSES EXCHANGE GOODS FFS.
>>73870488
Fuck of Achmed Europe will fight against American jews.
>>73873793
good goy
>>73871347
It had to be Sweden shithole of Europe full of rapefugees and now wanna fuck europeans health.
>>73873882
Not a argument, stormfag
>>73873749
i'm sure you're quite pleased sitting in a living room that looked like some autist rendered it in photoshop, completely devoid of any aesthetically pleasing features except the television which should be worshipped the same way as a god, front and center in the room, some rectangle dark brown turd colored stand, and maybe some round looking globe lamp, and white walls, white floors, white couch, like some fucking kind of jamiroquai music video
>>73871771
More like More and more shit products that can affect your health and take out jobs from europeans.
>>73873793
>"they are doing it in secret and with no accountability, but they are doing it for us"
>this is what literal retards actually believe
kys
>>73872435
I respect you Europe needs to fight against everybody. Every nation wants you fuck Europe and its values but we have to fight against world.
aren't they trying to ram TITP and TPP through before Trump gets elected? Globalists are getting scared.
>>73874023
Less barriers to entry in the market=more jobs
>>73874031
No, because retards start memespouting the second they see something they can't understand
>>73868981
rich people
and in the long run humanity
>>73870890
why did you let the mexicans steal your eagle
>>73874353
Or More people dying because shit quality food=More JObs
>>73871062
> Corporate greed should be above the law of the land
Gas yourself kike.
>>73873644
Explain to me how inflation stops me from starving. I've just explained how a decrease in purchasing power (the definition of inflation) eats away at the value of your money and reduces how much food you can buy. Now tell me how inflation stops this.
more service jobs, don't worry europe, you'll have dennys, five guys, whataburgers, ihops, olive gardens, etc in no time. globalization is bringing a brighter future for you where you work shit jobs like americans who sold out their fellow countrymen just so they could buy shit cheaper at walmart and make a handful of investors rich
>>73871429
>Literally hate germany more then muslims
There's a difference?
>>73873793
>>73871347
Jesus fucking Christ, this CIA faggot is still at it
NO ONE BELIEVES YOUR BULLSHIT
http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_InternetFreedom.html
USA has the biggest trade defict to EU after China.
Obviously european industry will gain even more because the leaked documents show that farm lobbiest in charge are more internested to get their agricultural surplus to europe than to protect the real industries of america.
>>73874536
well there are germans and tanned germans
>>73874534
We don't want to be like America. Germans are Scums of Europe, first they let in rapefugees and now they are negociating with America on TTIP, they just wanna burn Europe and make it like Africa.
>>73868981
this
>>73874456
I am not going to spoonfeed you and spend my precious time de-programming your jewbertarian indoctrination, you cuck.
A lack of inflation is the consequence of a lack of investment in the economy. Without inflation companies have no incentive to sell their products. People lose their jobs and starve to death. Ffs you can simply look at fucking continental europe and see this unfolding in real time right before your fucking eyes you fucking tool. KYS.
>>73874536
>>73874536
wrong pic
>>73874609
>implying I'm a CIA spook or another government agency.
You must be pretty deluded mate. Don't they have psych wards where you live?
This is the one that will force us to adopt the EU's nanny state regulations, right? Fuck that.
>>73874773
>without inflation companies have no incentive to sell their products
I think I'm done here.
>>73869635
>muh feels, muh gmos, muh hormones in meat' or 'muh government can't be sued by le evil corporations!
How are these no valid arguments faggot? You forgot to turn off your Germanyproxi, Einstein
>>73875052
>uses classic CIA disinformation tactics
>attacks messenger instead of message
>hides behind foreign proxy
I have seen the light and now #shillforHill #freetradealltheway
$0.02 has been deposited into your account
>>73868981
judes
>>73868981
Think of all the people you hate
Now imagine they're really fucking rich
Them
>>73871377
>implying I'm cousin with apes and other bigger sub-species
>>73871771
yeah more shitty americans products
what an opportunity
>>73871429
Lol fuck off m8 arent you emberassed of your beloved London?
Mind the Gap
>>73868981
NIGGERS
Didnt read the thread, did they finally agree on something? Last time I heard they were on their 13th conference without eiter side signing.
>>73875144
not an argument, cuck
>>73874773
Say "cuck" and fuck a few more times...it's TOTALLY convincing
>>73868981
Mega corporations, especially the non-organic Agriculture industry that's just looking to destroy the environment and poison European citizens.
>>73875227
> classic CIA disinformation tactics
Fuck are you talking about?
>>attacks messenger instead of message
Like every other poster including you right now?
>>hides behind foreign proxy
Santo cielo sei di una paranoia impressionante. Italiano 100% e i proxy non funzionano con 4chan
>>73868981
>Who benefits the most?
You already know.
>>73868981
everyone thats not the people. especially the big corporations. It sells the population to the big businesses.
>>73875449
>I make jewish ideology mine, but you are the jew
ebin
>>73869123
lmao
>>73875396
>what is quantitative easing
Whatever the point was you were trying to make has been blown out of the water by the failings of QE. The last few years have proven that the Mundell-Tobin effect is fiction. Inflation does not stimulate business growth.
>>73874643
Will you stop?
It wasn't us it was the bitch who ran as center right and then suddenly turned into an open borders nutjob.
Besides, it's Germans who currently suffer the most from the rapeugees.
>>73875941
That's only on way of thousands to make you pay for the 6.2 millions.
>>73870488
Hello Sven you fucking traitor kike. It will be fun when Mehmet shanks you for ez gibs the next time you go to ICA you faggot
>>73875761
They used quantitative easing to try and raise inflation, because the jews at the top know that without inflation there is no economic growth. They failed completely btw, thus proving once again that there is no direct causal correlation between money printing and inflation.
>The last few years have proven that the Mundell-Tobin effect is fiction. Inflation does not stimulate business growth.
As I have already said, they failed to raise inflation, so none of what you wrote makes any sense. Educate yourself cuck.
QE was also made useless by how late it was done compared to the USA and Japan (if everyone does QE, then it has literally no effect). Secondly because the eurozone is a closed economic system, and QE done for all its countries has no effect as opposed to doing to improve performance against countries outside the eurozone, since the business deals are done with countries that receive the same QE too..
You know nothing about economics, stop replying to me, cuck
>>73876086
>implying it was 6.2 million
>>73868981
EU consumers, American producers.
Eurocucks will valiantly defend the overregulated atmosphere of the EU since they love kissing bureaucrat ass in Brussels and paying exorbitant prices for products.
>capitalism helps billions to get out of poverty
>commies from both sides of the atlantic cry because there'll be more GMO food next to their over priced organic food
Holyshit I thought socialists were supposed to help humans as a whole instead of promoting their own little selfish interest
>>73868981
Who knows, maybe your grandchildren will finally be able to taste a Kinder Surprise.
There are still a few people in USA who are not keen on our elected representatuves signing away our sovereignty to foreign interests, unaccountable bureaucrats and corporations.
That is a distinctly distasteful, European thing.
Both the left and right agree it will be terrible for the average American and European. There's a reason Obama doesn't allow it to be discussed openly by Congress
>>73876580
I can afford living here just fine, with disposable income to boot, while American graduates pass on their student debt to their children.
Try harder.
>>73869542
One of my neuroscince professors did early work on aspartame. Started as a neuroactive drug and they were studying effects on mice, etc.
She would not share details but was genuinely frightened by whatever she found and quit industry, entered academics and never lets anyone she loves touch the stuff.
>>73877306
The denbts don't prevent americans to live though
All I need to know about it is that they desperately tried to negotiate it in secret, allowed no interference from the general population or even tried to talk about it/shed some light on it to the masses.
That's enough proof that it's not anything to the benefit of the people.
>>73874353
>More jobs
>At lower wages
Even capable tradies will end up starving or go back to work 70 hour weeks
>>73877551
You can't reach an agreement if you include almost 1 billion people in the discussion, there'll always be a country with enough commies to crash the whole thing.
>>73877432
The guy I responded to brought up "exorbitant prices". What I meant by living was in an economical sense, as in "cost of living". I wanted to say that I don't find exorbitant prices to be a problem.
>>73874773
>Without inflation companies have no incentive to sell their products.
Other than, y'know, turning a profit and not going bankrupt.
>>73877740
without inflation you don't turn a profit
>>73877740
Bring your outdated business practices somewhere else, you capitalist-pig. You're in a leftie /pol/ introduction to economics thread, capitalists not welcome
>>73877667
So no law should ever be made public before it's passed since there could be disagreement.
Great understanding of democracy there.
>>73869205
/thread
this so much. big companys will make a shitload of money while killing small buisness. not very good for the economy in the longrun.
>>73874773
>my precious time
hahhahahha
>>73877194
And yet, somehow, it's Europeans that petition the most against this ridiculous agreement
>>73878203
not an argument
>>73878152
What is there to be made public though? They expect it to be finished next decade. I expect they have nothing concrete at this time anyway.
>>73878309
Not an attempt at an argument. I came here to laugh at you.
>>73868981
You know who.
>>73876122
Printing money is inflation. What are you talking about?
>>73878316
The contents of the agreement? There's hundreds of pages of it that can only be viewed by a very limited amount of people in a small and secure room and even then there's still things hidden.
The usual thing that happens with big treaties like that should be reports on the news, public discussions etc.
Instead we get absolute secrecy and our politicians smearing TTIP opposition as stupid and brown (nazis). Basically the same treatment they give to anti immigration protestors.
>>73877770
>Create product for x value
>Sell product at 2x value
>...
>PROFIT
Or are you telling me profit causes inflation?
>>73868981
World Government
By World Government i mean corporations
>>73878309
>Wastes his time contradicting random anonymous faggots on a Bengal boating boudoir
>Can't even be arsed to explain/back up any of his contradictions
>Still here
>Precious time
Yeah, nah, just admit you don't know what's in it either, Fausto
>>73878408
Ignorance is bliss I guess. Enjoy it while it lasts.
>>73878452
>printing money is inflation
this has been debunked literally a thousand times. I even gave you a literal example that has happened in the last years, which ironically you brouth up yourself.
>>73878484
wow you are completely and utterly retarded. This is why nobody respects lolbertardians.
>Or are you telling me profit causes inflation?
Inflation is an indicator of investment in the economy. Without investment there is no profit. Without profit there is no incentive to sell your products. Without all of this there is no economic growth. Inflation is simply an indicator that the economy is moving forward. This does not mean there cannot be too much inflation, it all depends on the context, as economics is a social science after all. In general though inflation is not only good but necessary.
>>73878645
Don't you have a bomb to build, Ahmed?
I am preparing lunch right now, hence why I have the time. I am also studying at the same time. I perfectly fit into the ideal of the lolbertarian man, contrary to lolbertarians who are actually polluted by that rabbinical ideology.
>>73878754
>Ignorance is bliss I guess. Enjoy it while it lasts.
You don't know what I know.
>>73878754
>Believing in perpetual growth
k.
>>73878845
>he does not believe in perpetual growth
>believing Latouche
Wow you are even more retarded than I thought
>>73878840
You don't know shit, mohammed
>>73878754
>debunked literally a thousand times
QE just gave us inflation without growth.
>>73869807
Renzi pls. Go back to your cuckshed
>>73879078
It is impossible to reason with you. Keep ignoring facts and keep serving your jewish masters. Whatever floats your boat.
>>73879050
>mohammed
Neither do you. Just out of curiosity, are you being a moron on purpose, or did your mom drop you?
>>73879149
t.mohammed
>>73879186
sei veramente un testa di cazzo. Vatti a leggere cosa include il TTIP.
>huur muh joos
>XDXD muhammad
I want edgy children to leave
Corporations.
>>73879286
looks like we have another sandnigger here. Go back to your sand shithole
>>73879186
Dropped by mommy it is.
>>73879349
>literally admitting your name is mohammed
lmaoing@yourlifem8
>>73879330
not an argument. Explain me why would I, as a small business owner, support the TTIP.
Pro tip: you can't
>>73879399
I am against the TTIP, you cuck
>>73879145
You haven't even attempted to reason. Tell me what you think inflation is.
>>73879393
>literally
So, how's your "precious time", cockgobbler?
>>73874456
Inflation is good because inflation drives investment. Without inflation people would just save all of their money but because money loses a lot of value over time people are instead forced to invest it. Investment creates jobs, a surplus of jobs increases wages by creating competition for workers. Increasing and decreasing the rates for banks borrowing money is how the Fed controls inflation.
>>73879528
So you agree that inflation is the reduction of purchasing power?
>>73879421
I mistook you for the other poster, sorry
>>73879596
Yes, inflation is the devaluation of currency.
>>73879498
>mfw he is called mohammed
the UK is lost forever
>>73879598
it's ok, everyone makes mistakes
>>73879596
less purchasing power >>>>>> no purchasing power
>>73879596
Inflation can be controlled by increasing the costs of borrowing money, when banks borrow money at almost nothing you see a higher rate of growth and investment. When you increase the costs of borrowing money you give the dollar/pound/euro more value but you discourage investment.
>>73879528
Also, i have a fixed mortgage, so some inflation is good for the economy.
>>73879325
At the taxpayers combined.
This. Its a govt corporatocracy sellout, with militarily contingent ties and agreements.
Basically multinationals get to sue countries. This will be largely invisible to the public.
CACHING.
Theres literally nothing we can do, IDSHabbenig
>>73879640
you are wrong, as I have already said there is no direct causality between the two. There are plenty of occurrences of currency devaluation that does not spur inflation. This is not to say that it can have that effect, but obviously a lot of times it doesn't.
Gotta go but think about that.
>>73868981
People don't like TTIP because:
- Increased powers for companies to sue retarded governments (this already happens);
- It actually includes cooperation to strictly control media piracy;
- What is being discussed is not public knowledge;
>>73879935
*that it can't
>>73879935
Well inflation is the increase of costs of goods while the dollar is able to buy less, devaluation may not have been the right word to use but the dollar is worth less.
>>73879685
>it's ok, everyone makes mistakes
Especially you.
>>73879948
>Increased powers for companies to sue retarded governments
How exactly do you "increase the power to sue"? You just sue. You may win or not, but you just do it. And the verdict is based on active legislation. I don't see how this is a core issue.
>>73877087
How it doesn't help humans by refusing to lower standards and have shitty foods sold to people?
>>73877087
>let me kill your local economy by lowering our standards
>>73868981
>Who benefits the most?
Large corporations and big multi-national companies.
If and when my country gets out of the corrupt mess of the EU, then we will ditch this damaging 'agreement'. TTIP will benefit the few an the expense of the many; honest hardworking people will get shafted. It's another layer of government.
It will destroy national sovereignty even more and wreck small businesses.
I'm a baker and have my own shop. I also supply bread to restaurants and sandwich boxes to local companies for lunch. The EU regulations are suffocating me. I want to export, but my products are perishable; they don't travel as they go stale quickly. I refuse to use chemical preservatives.
I agree with food hygiene regulations and health and safety for my staff and customers. We make loads of bread, cakes, sandwiches, also fresh soup. Everything is fresh, clean and delicious. I make sure my staff are insured and have a pension plan, which I pay for. I share all the profits between us, so I earn no more than an employee. We have weekly informal meetings at the pub. So that I can make sure that all opinions are heard. If there is a grievance, then I will attend to it.
Fuck the EU. Watch this. It's long but informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
>>73868981
US companies as TTIP basically allows them to sue every european government, company and private person if they say something bad about their merchandise.
Something similar already happend with Mexico.
Mexico tapped into the same trap and made such a trade agreement with the US.
Afterwards they started to important corn sugar and suddenly their obesity rate went insanely up.
They tried to find the reason for it and did so after research, identifying the corn sugar as the source of it.
They stopped importing it temporarily and made it public and advertised against using it.
Too bad Mexico did not read the small lines in the partnership papers.
The companies selling the corn sugar could sue the Mexican government thanks to those little details.
End result was that MExico had to stop advertising against the corn sugar, pay reparations and start to import it again.
>>73868981
TTIP is all the rage now.
But I barely see anything about TPP anymore. Is it a done deal and there's not much to say about it?
>>73868981
Certainly not the American people, if it's anything at all like NAFTA.
Fuck NAFTA.
>>73868981
Jews
>>73869385
You normal brits are so easily publically swayed and manipulated it is fucking glorious.
You still think the world ows you.
What you normal people do not get is that leaving the EU and thus the tax and trade partnership is insanely bad for you.
What do you think happens to your every stuff you need to survive when all that imported shit suddenly gets taxed.
Do you think your government will make up for the additional tax fee on its own so that your end consumer prices stay the same?
>>73880927
>Too bad Mexico did not read the small lines in the partnership papers.
Are you seriously going to use this as a base for any argument?
>>73881601
That is just a figur of speach or how that is called.
To all the cucks crying about muh food standards:
>EU: 1. The importing Party shall accept sanitary and phytosanitary measures of the exporting Party as equivalent to its own if the exporting Party objectively demonstrates to the importing Party that its measures achieve the importing Party's appropriate level of protection.
Leftist fearmongering doing a fantastic work with you drones.
>>73879640
Inflation and devaluation are a lowering of purchasing power, but are different, by its scope. Inflation is inside your own territory, when devaluation is outside, more precisely relatively to other currencies.
Quite retarded example:
Assuming I can only buy wheat from outside, and I can't have it as cheap as before because of devaluation. I can chose to lower my profit and not cause inflation or rise the price of the bread I sell causing inflation.
If I rise the price of the bread, and still buy the wheat at the exact same price because no devaluation, I just make more profit. I caused inflation with no devaluation.
It guess the correlation of inflation and devaluation depends on your own capacity to produce what you need, and the strength of your import/export related to that.
>>73881869
Your argument is based around it. If you say "Mexico did a mistake and paid for it" nobody would raise a question, but when you take the blame away from Mexico you're being dishonest.
>>73868981
The elites. I.e. the ones writing it and shaking their hands over it.
>>73881126
As we import more from you than we export to you, you have more to lose when we get what we need from other countries.
>>73879528
Saving is the key element to a strong economy. See the most saving societies and compare them with the ones that spend the most.
Without savings you rely on banks and deincentivizes the generation of companies and capitalization on these, directing money towards assets that maintain value such as housing and stock markets.
Basically you become a commercial slave of high productive societies that don't encourage consumption.
Inflation is literally wall-street jewery.
>>73882203
economy is not zero sum, hurting Germany more than it hurts you doesn't mean you'll be better off.
>>73870488
I don't want the free market.
I don't want economical liberalism. Like I don't want cultural liberalism. No regulation means only more chaos.
>>73880810
Beginning is pretty promising, the lack of transparency is definitely the number one issue with most governments today. How is democracy supposed to work when there's so much secrecy.
If the people would be aware of all the shit that goes on behind the closed doors mega corporations wouldn't get away with a lot of the shit they get away with today.
everyone
populist neopol is even more cancer
>>73882873
The thousands and thousands of French white people emigrating to London and other places would love thank you in person.
>>73868981
The Ruling and Intellectual classes.
Everyone else looses
TTIP is just one step further in the scenario where only the rich survive. And I'm not even leftist. Many Eu countries are handicapped by the common currency and have to resort in internal devaluation, thus weakening purchase power. This leads to lower classes being forced to eat unlabeled corn syrup while the rich have the option to buy organic. Demand for organic will increase and economics 101 explains the rest.
Best way out of this mess is to either avoid getting into TTIP or to climb on top of a mountain of disposable income. I am trying to opt on the latter.
>>73869123
>>73884053
>Having a wider selection of good to chose from
>Bad for the consumer
The only ones who will cry are shitty company owners who can't fathom to be exposed to competence.
>>73870988
this.
TTIP is Corporate Fascism: The Paperwork
>>73884369
>being this cucked
The EU's only true power is regulatory. We live in a *social market*, not a capitalist jewhaven like the US.
>>73885790
>wants to be regulated
>>73875464
>>73886293
>Wants his "food" pumped with toxic substances
>Wants corporations to be able ruin nature because muh profits
>>73888097
forgot to ad
>Wants local jobs to be outsourced to foreigners
>>73886293
you're regulated too, burgerman. your regs are just a lot more shit
>>73880810
An independent Britain is going to get fucked by the US the same way Australia does. You'll get your own special little 'deal'.
Muricans can live like a GODS 10 years more
>>73888097
>Has not even bothered to read the leaks and lets media dictate his opinions
Perfect goy
>>73868981
The US benefits more than the EU. But corporations are super-national and are the ultimate beneficiaries are said super-national corporations. They also lobby hardest for it which should tell you all you need to know.
>>73889430
These leaks? He is right. The US wants European standards on food and drug safety lowered.
>>73869123
shut up sideways Poland
>>73889430
>>73889529
In addition this slide (albeit from TPP not TTIP) shows the positions of the negotiating parties on a range of issues.
>>73868981
Why the fuck does there need to be a deal or partneship for trade?
We trade with most countries already without a deal or partnership.
>>73889886
>Forced labour
>Mexico
>R
kek
>>73889956
>Why the fuck does there need to be a deal or partneship for trade?
That's just the cover. TPP and TTIP are just a way of legislating unpopular laws by exploiting the infrastructure of diplomacy.
>>73889529
These leaks: http://pastebin.com/t2Yjzhku
Article X.4: Equivalence
[EU: 1. The importing Party shall accept sanitary and phytosanitary measures of the exporting Party as equivalent to its own if the exporting Party objectively demonstrates to the importing Party that its measures achieve the importing Party's appropriate level of protection.]
