http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle
this + much earlier 1995 Felice Vinci's " The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales. The Iliad, the Odyssey and the Migration of Myth".
Not even mentioning that most probably real Aryan homeland was nearby (most probably central-east Poland, due to genetic, linguistic and cultural tracing).
I'm not trying to boast, but I'm seriously stumped as the myths and "german" lies are gradually unfolding.
It might rewrite history and cause a HUGE shitstorm over time.
Think about it - Hitler's and Bismarck's shenaningans are a result of 600-800yrs of black PR against the Central Europe.
"Germans"and Muslims(Golden Age) hailed the "Poles" et al. in pre-1000s/1200s as their equals, even superiors. It's all written in their Chronices.
It's changed over time as the Slav kingdoms fell one after another ( divide et impera) and the loathing culminated in 1840s-1940s(but really, current year).
The future is bright.
pic somewhat related. It's said they've only mapped max 4% of the site and their archeo findings are on par with those of the largest battle of Medieval Europe (1410, Tannenberg/Grunwald).
Who cares about white history?
>>69553430
how similar are poles genetically to those of the past? weren't a ton of your smartest killed by the communists, and you guys mixed with them under the USSR?
this sounds awesome though. i've predicted that if Poland is to stay strict on immigration, and not commit suicide like the west, they'll rise within a few decades as the strongest nation in europe
>>69555121
very similar. It's weird really.
>weren't a ton of your smartest killed by the communists,
yes. and germans/Russians(XIX century)
and you guys mixed with them under the USSR?
no. it's the eastern problem.
but
we have a problem with Leftists Communist Jews and their breed (really....) and German sympathizers(Western parts....really.), even after this 200 years of socioethnic buttfucking.
It's like communism never ends ,now masquerading as progressive West-EU.
>>69553430
pretty sure this was before slavs were around and this was pre-slavic people and germans
>>69555853
germans are a mix of native europeans(think basques, dalmatians, sami), celts, northerns and slavs - with slavs being most f the mix. Almt all east is slavic.
the thory of slavic migration has no sense. slavic names of importance(rivers, mountains etc) are dominant even beyond the Elbe.
>>69553430
Are you high?
>>69555853
>>69555972
>>69556170
they weren't Slavs sensu stricto, nor Poles but their forefathers.
In this battle there's also numerous bodies of proto-Etruscans.....
[and there are traces these might have been Slavic(ish) IRL, not even joking]
It sounds like sci-fi, because
>600-800yrs of black PR against the Central Europe.
"Germans"and Muslims(Golden Age) hailed the "Poles" et al. in pre-1000s/1200s as their equals, even superiors. It's all written in their Chronicles."
Remember, history is written by the victors after all.
The genes are alive and well, backing history and culture.
>>69556170
did you know Austria is the motherland of Celts?
Halstatt culture, huh?
Why do only Westernmost Europeans have a monopoly for civs and being cool?
>>69553430
Troy was already found
>>69556302
So you're saying that central Europe was hit hard by the black plague after the west recovered, which pushed them down a bit in comparison?
I trust that the bulk of genetics are the same, but what about Mongolian and Turkic admixture, has this hit Poland or is it only memes?
>>69556416
well...
no.
>no sign of battle
>the area doesn't match
it was hailed as troy, because there was gold and muh wonder-find-it-all-boy Heinrich Schliemann - a confimed pathological liar.
all attempts of advanced archeo work currently are blocked by Turks. Because they know it's not Troy.
>>69556302
>Why do only Westernmost Europeans have a monopoly for civs and being cool?
What does any of what youre saying have anything to do with the article?
>>69553430
First we had the turkroaches claiming Homer is ancient turkroach, now we have you guys?
Get in line behind the roaches, makedonskislavs, albanians. Why are all of you fags trying to steal our history?
>>69556786
Tbf Chios is next to the roach coastline. Ive been there. Beautiful island. Sadly its now a refugee center. Makes me cry.
ITT: Poles desperately trying to be historically relevant
>>69556862
It's the fault of my retarded compatriots who have voted for a government of the same stock as them. Greece is going to become one big welcoming mat for all potential immigrants to Europe unfortunately. It's either that or civil war
I, for one, welcome the eternal Pole.
>>69556575
>central Europe was hit hard
lol, you're mixing periods.
Then-Poland and Italy(mediolan) went practicality untouched btw.
why? Mediolanese used horribad methods of burning everything, Poland simply closed all the borders.
>I trust that the bulk of genetics are the same, but what about Mongolian and Turkic admixture, has this hit Poland or is it only memes?
very slightly. It works the other way too.
The problem of Mongoloidization is prevalent only in Eastern Ukraine and Asian part of huge-ass Russia.
>>69556675
stop shitposting.
I show that there's mounting evidence the (European) History is a bigger lie that we think it is.
>>69556786
you know Oddysey, right?
tell me where on the Mediterranean sea is a place when there's snow all the time. Even ancients (Strabo) were puzzled by those inconsistencies.
There is a huge amount of them.
>>69556672
>Because they know it's not Troy.
Wait what i studied Nordic and Greel Mythology, hell i graduated on the Greek one, what do you want to tell me ? That what has been found in Turkey was not Troy ? That Troy is actually in Poland ?????
>>69556953
Germans forgetting their Reich is only 100years old.
Have fun in Caliphate of Al-Cuckland.
>>69555121
>and you guys mixed with them under the USSR?
Commie rapebabies are mocked and they're mainly near the eastern border.
>>69556988
>where on the Mediterranean sea is a place when there's snow all the time
When there is a Hard Winter Storm , places or Islands like Cyprus get always hit hard. Athens as well. It is not unusual for Areas in the meditarranean have snow. On some hills it might have looked like all the time.
But with earth always getting warmer that disappears more and more but was there when Homer wrote his epics.
>>69557051
*2000 years
Dont project your cuckland history on us.
>>69557010
Eh, people search things. All things in our textbooks are at least 20, 40 years too old, stale and debunked.
Troy is not found ultimately. Probably in Rugen area or Finland(!!!) (near Turku).
Yeah..Turkey afer all. oh, the irony.
>>69557229
Germans were Slav tribe that got cucked. It's not contested.
Yeah. 2000 years old....sure.
>>69557229
>2000 years
Hitler didn't manage even a 50 year reich.
Better luck next time in your 1000 year consecutive reiching.
>>69557237
Ok wait but Homer clearly states the direction the Greeks were sailing and how long they were sailing, that being known they could never had ended up Finland but Turkey is more likely.
The only point you have, which is one i always pointed out aswell is the fact that no statues of greek Heroes that were made during that time looked like an actual greek today.
There is also no Statue of Hector where he looks like a greek or Turk, but more like a norde with curly hair and beard.
>>69557193
I'm only the OP, you are many.
Search the book, it's free btw.
Felice Vinci's " The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales. The Iliad, the Odyssey and the Migration of Myth".
the only thing not baking it was a lack of archaeological evidence. Well it's 20 years and shazam!
>>69557429
The Myths of the Oldest Greek (Achai) Myth strata are imported from Batic Sea area.
see Hellespont (which is narrow, ancients say it a huge-ass wide) and Latvian Hellespontants.
also Hell in place names.
thing about it like York -> New York
this process happens all the time.
>>69557635
But Poland never had access to the Baltic.
>>69556988
>tell me where on the Mediterranean sea is a place when there's snow all the time. Even ancients (Strabo) were puzzled by those inconsistencies.
Even until now we don't have an indisputable path of Ulysses' journey. The fact that there is a passage where Homer states that doesn't mean it was all situated in the Arctic circle. There are also the Scylla and the Harybdi or the Sirens and other mythical creatures, where in the world are they?
Could you please tell me where in the Odyssey that is because I can't remember it off the top of my head?
The Homeric tales were written around 800 BC while the Trojan war took place around 1200 BC. 400 years of oral transmission adds lots of myths in the story and anachronisms as well, for example Homer states that they had iron weapons even though the Mycenaeans did not excavate the iron deposits around their cities.
Sorry but to say that the Trojan war happened in Poland is similar to WE WUZ KANGZ
>>69557635
So Achilles could've been some dude from Estonia or Poland?
>>69557429
Modern Greeks are heavily bastardized(not the first time).
Let me count -> initial race-mixing native Pelasgians(esque) + Indoeuropeans. ->
this gives Mycenaeans in the end.
Proto-Slavic, "Scythian", Minor Asian invasion - Dark Times - "Doric Invasion" -> this gives Ancient Textbook Greece
Slavs + Romans + Waregs + Easterners -> this gives Eastern Empire
+Turks -> this gives Modern Greeks.
>>69557820
>he uses the word "race-mixing" unironically in historical context
End yourself.
>>69557732
are you kidding me.....
Winieta and/or Wolin - the stronghold of our Princes - and the New York of Early-Middle Medieval. Really....
What exactly are you trying to say OP?
>>69557898
Just give back German clay.
>>69557963
this clay was ours!
and yours....
it's EUs now.
>>69557635
WE WUZ KANGS levels of mental gymnastics
Oh shit
Poland becomes ridiculous again, my fucking sides
Achilles was a proto-Pole ???
What the hell do you post-commie Slavshits smoke, I mean is the Croc that bad ?
>>69557924
>Our history is wrong
>Slavs were and could be bro tier.
>Germans are assholes.
>this might rewrite history and cause a HUGE shitstorm over time.
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how Memnon could travel from Aethiopia to fucking Poland to fight a war
>>69557635
>see Hellespont (which is narrow, ancients say it a huge-ass wide)
Comparing magnitudes from 2000 years ago with magnitudes today, u wot m8?
In the ancient world it took someone one day to travel 40km, now you can do it in half an hour by car.
I feel like I'm being trolled here
>>69558163
WE WUZ TROYAN HORSES N SHIT
>>69557635
>The Myths of the Oldest Greek (Achai) Myth strata are imported from Batic Sea area.
>see Hellespont (which is narrow, ancients say it a huge-ass wide) and Latvian Hellespontants.
Literally WE WUZ from a pole.
Get your own history, cunt.
>>69558207
There are ancient porcelain items found in Poland. There are balstic amber items found in Mesopotamia and away.
>>69558352
not WE WUZ kings but rather WE WUZNT peasants.
>>69553430
Around this time, the Irish were masters of metalworking, also the Scandinavians were connected to the Sardinians.
>>69557635
im sorry but i dont think my ancestors WUZ TROYANS N SHIET
>>69553430
>“The range of isotope values is really large,” he says. “We can make a good argument that the dead came from a lot of different places.”
>“The range of isotope values is really large,” he says. “We can make a good argument that the dead came from a lot of different places.”
DIVERSITY GOOD! DIVERSITY STRENGHT
>>69553430
I find it interesting that you cannot accept that history is wrong. It's blatantly obvious.
We had our shot earlier, West got the job done since Medieval.
It's not that bad.
>>69558475
>There are ancient porcelain items found in Poland. There are balstic amber items found in Mesopotamia and away.
And there are ancient buddha statues found in Viking graves.
Your point?
>>69556988
>tell me where on the Mediterranean sea is a place when there's snow all the time
Caucasus.
>>69558506
They have located Troy, it is where the Greeks said it was.
>>69557635
WE WUZ KANGZ
>>69558656
Sour Greek cuck is sour.
Or maybe salty?
>>69555705
>It's like communism never ends ,now masquerading as progressive West-EU
It totally is
Bernie Sanders faggots here say they want "European Socialism" like the EU is doing really well.
>>69558598
> on the Mediterranean sea
SEA.
Ugh.
>>69553430
Slavs didn't even exist as a group during this time period, it was most likely Germanic or Celtic tribes that clashed.
I don't believe this because there is already a much more convincing theory first published by Iman Wilkens in his book "Where Troy Once Stood" in 1990.
He identified the location of Troy to be Gog Magog hills around Cambridgeshire.
The battle was between continetal celts (Achaens) and island celts (Trojans) over tin. The ancestors of the Achaen/Pelasgian Greeks were the Atlantic Bronze Age seafarers and megalith builders who migrated to Greece after the war and renamed places after locations in western Europe.
Argos was identified as northwest France, Ithaca as Cadiz, Spain, Crete as Scandinavia. The book has extremely detailed maps backing up his claims.
http://www.gopher.nl/shop/title.asp?barcode=ISBN&id=9789051792089
>>69558786
Who said anything about the Mediterranean? The whole mythilogy takes place in the Aegean and black seas. Colchis is in modern Georgia, Caucones, who fought for Troy are caucasian kingdoms, Hyllus is a branch of Euphrates etc etc
The whole thing has been reviewed multiple times by the historians, you inbred potato nigger.
>>69558907
>not knowing that Germanic is a borrowed name of a Slavic group
the whole First post is about the history being wrong because Westerners created it without such aids as genetics.
Slavs are most likely natives(or at least the first of IndoEuropeans to come here) not late-game outsiders as the name Slav is a much later construct.
I've made this thread to show people something interesting and to make a few open-minded people think more by themselves. As simply as that.
>>69558705
it's a ridiculous theory
in a time where travel was severely restricted, why/how would anyone travel such a long distance
>>69559176
you inbred kraut swine, this isnt precise.
you won't even listed and search yourself. Exit your comfort zone.
>>69558198
Using ancient ethiopian space ships mebe?
>>69559099
This is really interesting
Regardless of OP's conjecture that this battle was the Trojan war, it's still a fascinating find and a really interesting article.
>The number suggests the scale of the battle. “We have 130 people, minimum, and five horses. And we’ve only opened 450 square meters. That’s 10% of the find layer, at most, maybe just 3% or 4%,” says Detlef Jantzen, chief archaeologist at MVDHP. “If we excavated the whole area, we might have 750 people. That’s incredible for the Bronze Age.” In what they admit are back-of-the-envelope estimates, he and Terberger argue that if one in five of the battle’s participants was killed and left on the battlefield, that could mean almost 4000 warriors took part in the fighting.
>chemical tracers in the remains suggest that most of the Tollense warriors came from hundreds of kilometers away. The isotopes in your teeth reflect those in the food and water you ingest during childhood, which in turn mirror the surrounding geology...Just a few showed values typical of the northern European plain, which sprawls from Holland to Poland. The other teeth came from farther afield, although Price can’t yet pin down exactly where. “The range of isotope values is really large,” he says. “We can make a good argument that the dead came from a lot of different places.”
This is an unprecedented find for the era
>>69559257
Sure it is precise, since the 19th century even.
If you had an actual education you would know that.
But you decide to be a nigger a steal Greek history, because you have none of your own. Just like niggers try to steal Egyptian history.
>>69559221
why? Bronze Age Collapse
short lived climate change and consequences.
one of many in european history
long distance trade? maybe because Amber Road and huge tin deposits and infrastructure present, active till Roman times(cause for a slaughter and invasion of Gaul and Brittany, google this)
it's not that hard, Greekbro.
Have any of you heard of the Aethiopis? How stupid are you people?
>>69559099
its interesting, but there's a serious lack of levees mentioned in Ancient Texts.
Anyway it might be possible.
I didn't say Troy = found.
After all the conflict was XX years long spanning over vast territory. Maybe even so far?
It's all the matter of PoV. Thank you for your input.
>>69559387
>a steal Greek history,
>wat is Doric Invasion?
Oh man.
>>69559631
At the time you were living in caves hunting with sticks and occasionally getting raped by the Scythians, it doesn't concern you in any way.
>>69559387
>you have none of your own
at least 1000 + of officially confirmed and sanctioned history. 700 yrs of rocking it.
At least be honest.
>>69559822
>Scythians.....
there were no Scythians anymore. Don't make yourself pathetic.
those "cavemen" stalled German Invasion. Those cavemen have "your " precious clay.
Uh, okay.
>>69560020
>there were no Scythians anymore.
What? At least go read a Wikipedia or something, stop embarrassing yourself even further.
>>69560020
>>69560355
Who are whiter, Poles or Germans?
>>69560355
Eh, my fault. I've read it wrong.
also you know you're making this shit up with caves and sticks. I know it's /pol/ but why so aggressive?
there's a huge bias in European history and any sane man can see it even with rudimentary evidence and textbook lose threads.
There are huge gaps in history that are haphazardly sewn by half-assed attempts to cover them. see Bronze Age history of Europe with their animal-taming, metallurgy(oldest items, of high quality in the world) and ingenuity(wagons -> chariots).
Linguistics is especially biased, look up any article - it skips right away from Proto-German to PIE, when there's almost a carbon copy of PIE in most extant Balto-Salvic languages.
This black/white dichotomy is obviously artificial and enforced.
>>69559099
>Ithaca as Cadiz
Come on this is bullshit.
Ithaca was part of Crete, Crete Greece that is, it was a Hillside a where windy roads nowadays lead up to. I have been there multiple times (16 times) during my studies, i don't eat that nonsense not when i have seen an olive tree growing out of what used to be a shed house in ancient times myself.
