I make $16 an hour as an EMS.
If the minimum wage was raised to $15 an hour, why wouldn't I just go get a job flipping burgers?
>>71910859
Because you'd be make 1 dollar less idiot.
You should become a tram driver in Ireland
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/42k-luas-drivers-seeking-40pc-pay-increase-31569670.html
>>71910956
They're currently arguing over whether or not they'll get 13%.
Which is still outrageous.
>>71910859
Exactly this is why shitty socialist ideas always fail
>>71910897
/thread
>>71910859
Because flipping burgers is a shitty job.
>>71910859
>be australian
>17 is min wage
>>71910859
I got a good one too.
>Beach Lifeguard
>$13.47 an hour
WHERE MAH RAISE
>>71911216
17 aud is 13 usd
>>71910859
Exactly. It's almost like your employer will have to raise your wage in order to be competitive and attract labor.
But nah, that's crazy talk. The Jew Rothbard told me so.
>>71911216
>Aussi dollidoes
>Worth anything
>>7191085>>71910859
Same here, brother. Doing medic school soon though so the pay raise will be nice. I love being a basic though...
>>71911282
So who covers the cost? Because I'd expect my wages to be at least double that of flipping a burger.
Do health insurance premiums double?
>>71911270
17 aud is 17 aud in australia, pack of chips, 2-4 bucks, American prices 2-4, strill same shit, we just cant buy alot from the internet
>>71910859
BECAUSE YOUR EMPLOYER WILL GIVE YOU A RAISE NOT TO LEAVE. IT IS CHEAPER TO RETAIN EE's, THAN TO HIRE NEW EE's.
>>71911402
So who pays for this?
>tfw when earned 80 euros an hour as freelance developer at some point in my career.
>>71911402
>>71911474
EMS is a government job, public servants get paid less then normal because the government are cheap asses and pay shit all
>>71911564
400-600/8hr day+vat here; low end is consulting, hige end project mgmt
and implementation
enterprise IT services
>>71910859
Well, why don't you tell us? Why wouldn't you just get a job flipping burgers?
>>71910859
GO FOR IT!
NOBODY CARES!
FUCK YOU!
>>71911683
400-600 rubles?
>>71910897
But if there would be a company which hires cleaners for 8 USD/h and staff for 18 USD/h, if minimum wage would be increased to 15, both of the would be paid 15, because the employer cant afford to maintain 18USD/h for educated staff.
>>71911361
Your employer covers the cost. And you wages won't double.
>>71911391
Food is a lot cheaper in the US then it is here.
>>71911730
guess again, I'm in the eurozone
>>71911756
>>Your employer covers the cost.
Where does the money come from?
>>71910859
We have a similar job.
You get paid $16 an hour so people don't die
I get paid $34 an hour so servers don't die.
>>71911683
took an employee job after that to work less in the meanwhile, but those were good days. could pay off my apartment in no time. when people whine about unemployment, I have only one advice: take a fucking course in IT, you'll get a job in no time.
I'm an EMT-B making 10.25 per hour at 39 hours per week scheduled
Our training officers don't make 16 an hour.
Fucking spoiled assholes demanding 15 an hour for flipping burgers
>>71911474
The greedy fucking Hospital, if it wants to stay open.
And if it closes, GOOD, that means it couldn't survive any other way except screwing the employees. FUCK 'EM!
PAY YOUR FUCKING EMPLOYEES A HUMAN WAGE!
>>71911943
So you're saying it will increase the costs put onto the customer ergo increasing the cost of healthcare and making it even less accessible?
>>71911841
>Where does the money come from?
Straight out of the CEO's yearly bonus.
Don't worry, there's more than plenty in there to hire ten thousand more employees, let alone pay the current ones a living wage.
You need to quit pretending that this is going to burn anybody except for greedheads who can't run a company without fucking over their employees at every fucking turn.
What are you trying to say OP? We don't appreciate our burgers? EMS > Good burger service?
I swear. The unwarranted elitism in this country.
Elitist BTFO
>>71911889
enterprise is full of retarded fucks, don't even have to be formally educated or particularly bright to be able to do it
vendor certifications are anywhere between 200 and 45000 euros
I strongly suggest specialization in storage (HW+SW) and data protection, dat exponential data growth is breddy gud for business
>>71912079
So why don't they just pay me more right now then?
>>71911942
>Fucking spoiled assholes demanding 15 an hour for flipping burgers
You should demand what you're worth, cunt. Not just drag down all the other crabs trying to get out of the bucket.
If you're going to be an enemy of humanity, just fucking kill yourself, you piece of fucking shit. Just fucking die. You suck.
>>71910859
How much does it cost to get transported to hospital? I mean the amount they actually bill the person for? Seems to me like you need to press for your own pay-rise that fits the amounts of money that people are charged for your services.
>>71911282
>It's almost like your employer will have to raise your wage in order to be competitive and attract labor.
Not if there is more workers than jobs and government force your employer to hire pajeet and jamal for minority quota.
>>71912079
Lol, if you think for one sec that CEOs will give up even a fraction of their wages to give employees a raise, you're a fucking retard. They'll simply pass on the cost to the customers.
>>71912126
>enterprise is full of retarded fucks
couldn't agree more. why flip burgers when you can surf all day in some crappy IT job with a paid car and other benefits?
>storage
the storage guy at our place (TSM expert) earns the most of all of us. he's always bitching but he's a nice guy. responsibility though, snags do happen.
>>71912184
But burger flippers aren't worth 15 an hour
>>71910859
Good luck even finding a burger flipping job in the future.
>>71912014
The only facilities that will close are unethical ones that you shouldn't receive care from anyway.
Trust me, I'm an RN. Companies who don't pay their workers don't take care of their patients either. They don't pay for supplies, they don't pay for anything, and they destroy the careers of nurses and doctors who work there because patients die and the nurses and doctors lose their license, and nobody blames the company for admitting too many patients and staffing the hospital with a skeleton crew because it's cheaper that way.
This system needs to be destroyed, and if there's any negative consequences, those consequences need to be accepted and dealt with like any other problem.
You're not defending capitalism, you're defending feudalism.
>>71912466
Let them try, more competitive companies will eat their fucking lunch.
The customers need to vote with their dollars. Maybe if they had some, they could remember how to do it.
>>71910859
So go flip burgers. Zero shits are the number of them that I give. My employees get $11/hour to be MAs.
>>71911391
You are an idiot.
>>71910859
I don't quite understand the rage about increasing minimum wage to 15, its very needed to start eliminating human trash and lack of education.
The issue is not that the min wage is being raised, its that other wages aren't being raised accordingly. You need to press your own case and get a raise to at least 20/h, not get mad at burger flippers making 15, this are retarded class wars that distract us from the people who are fucking our collective asses.
>>71912466
>wages
daily reminder that smart C-level executives have contracts that allow them to channel the majority of their income stream through their small business, not overly taxed pleb wages
>>71912508
TSM is the shit; if you don't mind the desert, you could have a 5 year working stint in UAE/Qatar/Saudi and call it a retirement
I did the wageslave thing for 6 years and then used the contacts thus gained to drive my self-employed business, a major improvement in life both time-wise and tax-wise
now I work a week per month
>The value of dunking fries in hot oil and pressing a grill plate onto burgers, or poking a computer screen with one finger after someone gives you an order
>The value of having life-saving medical knowledge and being able to apply that knowledge using complicated medical devices and tools
That is what it comes down to. Which is worth more to society and the individual?
If you get in a car accident, have multiple compound fractures, concussion, and are bleeding out, which person would you rather have help you? A fast food fry cook, or an EMT?
Cause according to these liberal faggots, the two professions are nearly interchangeable.
>>71910897
Done in one
Don't know why people are keeping this thread alive, it's over folks
>>71912158
Why would they when the jewish execs can make more on stock options by giving you the shaft
>>71912638
Obviously not a ton of economics classes in that nursing school you attended...
>>71912912
/thread
also nice ID wTESGIO3
>>71912789
what the fuck did you just say to me americuck? your the only idiot here, like all
>muh freedoms
like shit really,the country isnt fucking free its full of fucking dictators like if i wanted to go on the fucking street and express a opinion of mine, ill be fucking tased the raped by the fucking police, no sorry ill be shot because fucking america, cause in america all law abiding ciitzens carry guns like why did you fucking let the niggers have guns thats like provoking and fucking cival war, and your the one calling me an idiot when your flag cant even have fucking even number amount of stars on it, like cant even cant beyong 51? 52? make that 0cunts cause we will invade you str8 up and havd your fat american ass on a silver plate, thats if i can carry the fucking silver plate because you fucking obese like all the other americans, too busy jakcing off in your gun barrel and calling it your wafiu, seriously that donald trump guy isa a fucking werido, why does america have that type of person running for president? like fuck the fucking jews do run your country, a fucking billionare coperation is running the USA, USA, more like U SUCK ASS, fucking americuck, enjoy fucking the cucks in your country, once they are done wil europe they will flood your shitty, 3rd world country where you casnt even fucing breathe due to all the gas and fumes in the air by the government spraying chemtrails, actualy im for that, chemtrails kill all the fucking americans, yeah, did i mention you guys are like 2tril in debt? like how the fuck do you do that, spending it on fucking iraq and showing off new weapons test, oh sure, yeah not for the oil no.. noo.. patheic, lying, fat lazy bastards who cant even put a coherant sentence on the internet calls me an idiot with no fucking proof, also prices in australia are so big compared to your is because the demand, a pack in chips are so much demand in america because they want to get fucked up fast dont they? fucking, americunts
>>71910859
only in the US of BURGERS could someone as stupid as you be an EMS
>>71913323
Is this a pasta or actual autism
>>71912872
>self-employed
i've paid for everything i need so far, it's hard finding the motivation to do anything else for the moment. i'm working 3/5 and still get a car & benefits, so i'm going along with this wageslave shit for the while, maybe going back to become a NEET in the long run, when i have enough to buy a house and some land in spain or portugal.
>>71910859
>Why wouldn't I just get a job flipping burgers?
Because the jobs flipping burgers won't be as plentiful and current burger boys are going to lose their jobs, that's why. Jokes on them I guess. I'll be laughing while I still have a job that contributes something other than obesity to my community.
Just got an EMT jobs at 13.00. I'm not complaining cause I'm fresh out of class and need the experience. I know medic school is where the real money is. Also most jobs need like 6 months or a year for more pay.
Liberals just wanna bitch and moan about getting more pay. Meanwhile I'm gonna be working my ass off to get the experience to earn 15.00
>>71910859
Usually your wage would be raised as well. Around 20% of all wages are raised when the minimum wage rises even though minimum wage workers only count for 2% of the population.
>>71912588
>But burger flippers aren't worth 15 an hour
They are when a dollar is worth five cents in 1913 dollars, and the CEO, who hasn't done anything even remotely resembling hard work in decades if ever, makes enough money to buy politicians to pass laws that allow them to screw their employees and screw the customers and screw the country and screw the world.
They should fucking die and so should their loyalists, and I'd start with you very gladly.
>>71913370
nah mate this isnt a fucking pasta, im not fucking italian, like you probs are because you know america is full of fucking immigrants arent they? fucking pathetic, you cant even control your funding and debts yet you just let fuckers like yourself into fucking america, "america is the best country in the world" well fucking itatilans arent fucking great like yourself,m pasta eating fuckers, i bet you can carry gunstoo, of course your the fucking mafia arent you, OI BOYO GIVE US UR FUCKING RRIGHTS m8 OR ILL FUKIN BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF JIMMY, YOU HEAR THAT? THATS AMERICAN ITATLIANS COMING TO FUCK YOUR ASS JIMMY HURRY UP, yeah fuck ,atleast australia had a good fucking history unlike you guys, you guys try to btfo from UK, cause my freedom, fuck off, there is no freedom in a cucked, immigration fulled country, like your self, oh autism you say? well ill let you know your the only autist here you fucking mentally ill fucker, you think that is a pasta? fuck off you cant tell between a pasta and a good decent, wrote post on 4chan? are you any use to life? like fuck off, and go fuck your fuckbuddy in your mafia dungeon why dont you, i bet your 12 and just faking it all, wow a wanna be american, fell for it, god they are dumb as their fucking food they eat, mum always told me right, dont listento americucks, they are thilgy capaitlist full of immigrants who cant even justify their own opinion, only with guns and violence and BRRTTT'ing, and damn she was a damn smart women, unlike 9/10 american people who work under the slaves of black obama, like wtf what happened, i thought whites ruled not this fucking black dude, get it right america and fuck off italian american with your pasta eating, go away, no one likes you, post a real comment next time, like all americunts do self loafing and bigger egos then black cuck dicks
>>71913141
>Obviously not a ton of economics classes in that nursing school you attended...
Unlike economics, in nursing you're expected to make the correct decision more than 50% of the time.
You would never hear about monkeys outperforming nurses at nursing the way you hear about monkeys picking stocks better than expert economists, Google it.
Google it.
Monkeys pick stocks better than economists, Google it.
Google it.
Google it.
>>71910859
You should really be earning more for your job OP. It is a real shame that First Responders aren't paid more.
>>71911739
wrong, they price of goods would be increased to offset the increase in labor cost.
>>71913547
>Liberals just wanna bitch and moan about getting more pay. Meanwhile I'm gonna be working my ass off to get the experience to earn 15.00
Why don't you let another man fuck your wife, you'll love it, apparently. Or maybe you should just go queer, since you love to take it up the ass.
How about you pick a job that doesn't pay only sllightly above minimum wage.
Jesus Christ is everyone here retarded? Get a decent job, retards. You're not 16 anymore.
>>71914167
which is why we need socialism. so CEO's and big money cant just continue to fuck us in this pit of inflation. capitolism is a fucked system. france is kicking so much ass ragheads wanna bomb them now instead of us.
>>71912845
>he thinks it's the fucking numerical value that determines wealth
It's buying power, guy. We could all be earning a million dollars an hour and then bread would cost a half million dollars per loaf.
Material wealth, like access to clean water, nutritious food, consumer electronics, and education, is an absolute value and has gone up damn near every single year forever. Your average poor person in America lives like a fucking king 400 years ago.
However, currency wealth is relative. And currency wealth is all the idiots fight for. They want their numbers to be larger. Like, I don't get how it is difficult to understand that if you raise the minimum wage from 7 bucks an hour to 15 bucks an hour, things that used to cost 7 dollars will now cost 15.
This will have absolutely no impact on the working poor, who are earning minimum wage already. It will also have absolutely no impact on the highest earners, whose currency wealth is already so far above the rest of us that we could all get 1500% raises and still wouldn't compare to their earning potential.
So, who will this impact? The lower middle class. Oh what's that, you finally got an associate's degree and are starting to claw your way out of poverty? Your labor is now worth only very slightly more than someone who has invested literally nothing into themselves. You are no closer to financial independence and will probably get sucked into doing a much easier job for the minimum wage because why do something difficult or dangerous when you could fuck around in a department store for like one dollar less per hour?
>>71914236
Fuck off NEET faggot
>>71910859 (OP) #
>why wouldn't I just go get a job flipping burgers?
There wouldn't be any new positions available. A higher minimum wage would simply lead to job losses.
Forced minimum prices (wages being the price of labour) lead to excess unsatisfied supply (in this case excess supply of labour - unemployment).
Economics 101
>>71911611
You're fucking retarded. Gov't employees get paid like 30$ an hour for 8 of them to stand around while 1 shovels asphalt into a pot hole, then run it over with the left front tire of the truck. I've watched it. The operation took like 2 hours.
>>71910859
Get a better job then faggot. Go to school.
>>71912912
ummm yeah. I'll take the cheese burgers plz
>>71912942
>>71911131
>>71910897
>$1/h makes up for the increased risk, stress and life-and-death responsibilities that EMS work has over burger flipping
>>71910859
Becuz we wuz kangz
>>71914570
Im fucking retarded? your the only fucking retard here, like honestly shit how can the giovernment even pay their fucking employees? like 30 an hour is a fucking, oh sorry, 30 an hour for the president himself, of course fucking black guy, Like i have a decent job and fucking i have mroe money then the people on america combined due to their fucking tax and insurance shit going on, why would i get some shitty premium when i can just go in debt for the rest of my fucking life, like america, debt for the the rest of life, so before you call people a fucking retard over the internet, make sure you get your fucking sources right, because american cant afford a fucking sumi min insta noodle cup and you say they cant pay 30 bucks and hour for 8? fucking lying, are all you americans this dumb? of course you guys are its AMERICA, short for THE FUCKING WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, The giovernment is debt some fucking how and yet they dont spend 1 cent into social spending, like fuck, australia is pure gold, social spendng, decent wages and yet they arent in debt by china times fucking 600 billion, Also you fucking americans have it so easy dont you? shovleing shit into a hole for 2hours WOW REAL TOUGH i see fucking cattle farmers work back and bone and what do they get? their life, thats all they care about, and you americucks and boasting about a fake number that doesnt even mean anything, and public servants to get paid less comapred to bigger cooperations, so think fucking twice americuck, australia is the best and you will crumble along with your debts to the great almight power of australia, and our fucking emus will steal and rape your women aswell, fucking i dont know if animals would fuck your women, they are so fucking butt ugly, too much maccas and coke amiright, fucking fat slugs, get a life, get A REAL job, public servants are shit and get paid less, here since im decent fucing guy ill provide source in the picture that public servents get paid less
>>71912158
>So why don't they just pay me more right now then?
AAAAAAAAAHH AHHHHAHAHAH
OH /pol/ NEVER CHANGE
>>71913980
>the job of economists is to pick stocks
Bernie voters everyone.
>>71914986
Have you ever, I don't know, thought about asking for a raise yourself?
>>71913709
Fuck off you Bernie nigger. You probably don't even have a job you faggot piece of shit
>>71913980
>50%
>not 99%
JUST
>>71910859
Well, flipping burgers is fucking boring. Being an EMS, or, well, lots of other jobs, are more exciting than flipping burgers.
>>71912912
The way you engineered your comment anon... made lol. Well done. Subtle.
>>71915678
>Raise wages, everybody is just going to earn more, devaluating money and rendering the wage increase useless
Rinse and repeat
>>71915994
So what you're telling me is, if we lower wages, the price of everything will decrease and things will be the same right?
>>71916060
If all wages were lower, yes, of course. Until I saw your flag, I was puzzled by how someone could not grasp this simple concept. But no, not everything will remain the same, as large shifts in economical systems tend to destabilise the market and people become poorer.
>>71916258
Okay so raising wages will do nothing but lowering them will make everyone poor.
Got it.
>>71916347
No, raising them will do so too.
Is reading that hard for you, leafboy?
>>71910859
I make 25 bucks an hour loading boxes of frozen french fries into trucks for McDonalds
You mad?
>>71916880
But dude, they get paid below a fair wage which means everyone else should as well. The only one who should make money is Shlomo.
>>71916880
I used to make same for setting up party tents. Never paid a dime in taxes since I was working illegally.
You mad?
>>71917054
ive got medical/dental/vision a pension and a 401k
i'm good son
>>71910859
Because you don't want to flip burgers
>>71916880
Not really, man. That job sounds boring as fuck, and very likely to be replaced by automation soon...
>>71917109
I obviously never needed that since I fucked off back to my country.
>>71913980
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickferri/2012/12/20/any-monkey-can-beat-the-market/#71a153166e8b
heh
>>71917250
boring as fuck but in the summer im working 50+ hours a week
last year with ot i made 59k
59k for lifting boxes....
>>71912638
Right. Because if the company doesn't fill itself with employees who virtually want to work for free. They're immoral.
Fuck you pinko
>>71910859
You make 15 an hour as a Dept manager at Walmart.
EMS are already severely under paid and they know it.
>>71910897
>going from a stressful job to a piss easy job for $1 less
>>71917373
Not bad at all. Actually have huge respect for anyone that can do this type of job, including flipping burgers, because it's just so damn boring and repetitive. I remember working part time in high school in a supermarket, used to fucking dread the weekends (full day shifts).
>>71910897
Sure but then they could make Mickey Dees manager after a year for being white and on time.
>>71910859
You wouldn't.
It's why those minimum wage retards are retarded.
>>71910859
>not paying burger flippers, the heroes who provided this glorious nation with the sustenance we need to function, at least as much as the fucker who will drive us to the hospital from our burger induced cardiac arrest
Come on man without them you wouldn't have a job. The entire system runs on burgers goddammit. Show some respect.
>>71912912
>implying I need to prepare for the off chance I get into a car accident
>>71917462
to be fair some one in Virginia recently died in one of my companies warehouses because unsafe conditions
>>71917817
Liberals are so fucking retarded they believe raising the minimum wage would result in more jobs being created rather than simply accelerate the current trend towards automation.
>>71910859
You should be on a reasonable wage, you save lives (I'm assuming EMS = emergency medical services ambulance crew) which is a very important job and you will have seen some horrors I know I couldn't stomach, I think its appalling that jobs like yours are so under appreciated and underpaid.
I'm assuming you would still stick to being an EMS as a calling rather than the wage, I appreciate your work, even if nobody else does and I don't even live in your country.
>>71911942
>I'm an EMT-B making 10.25 per hour at 39 hours per week scheduled
Wut.
I can make 11 an hour plus commission being a repo spotter. All I do is drive around and listen to music while the plate readers on the car do the rest.
>>71918031
I don't think they even believe it'll create more jobs, they just selfishly want to be paid more working Starbucks. They don't outside their own desires.
