He actually loved Lord Jesus Christ and Word of God more than wealth, status and power. What absolute madman.
>>71818896
Lazy catholicfags BTFO forever
>>71819056
I'll simply leave this here
>>71819111
>Anglicans
They're not Lutherans
>>71819111
You blame lutheran theology when someone acts completely opposite to it. If someone claims that he is a catholic and then says that he hates pope. saints, mary, sacraments, tradition and other things, then is he catholic?
>>71819111
>>71819251
She is actually a Swedish Lutheran. Based Anglicans denounced her.
Sweden doesn't count anyway the entire country is a bad joke and should be wiped from the earth. It's amazing these fags once saved Protestant Europe.
On the other hand my pic was of the actual fucking pope, not some retarded Swedish dyke that roleplays as a religious figure in the middle of Sodom.
>>71819111
That's the cool thing about being Protestant. You can always split away from the heretics. If you are a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox you just end up absorbing them. Look at Rome now. You have universalist, pro LGBT people, and all kinds of heresy.
That's why God (most Romanists/EO deny the inspiration of scripture) designed the church government to be as such.
>>71818896
>sola fide
No.
>>71819111
How is this somehow an end-all argument against Protestantism?
Swedish church is a state church, meaning it is just another outlet of state power. This is exactly what was wrong with Catholicism.
The problem is not Christianity, it's it being forced to "get with the times". The Bible clearly stated that only men should be bishops.
>>71819672
Anglicanism is GOAT. Especially the Reformed guys among them. A lot of pockets of confessional Anglicans fighting to keep the church conservative and fighting against liberalism.
>>71819728
10/10 likelihood you have no idea what sola fide is and you are only here to shitpost your heretical theology that you got from an imageboard because you wanted to roleplay.
>>71819772
Absolutely right.
>>71819772
>The Bible clearly stated that only men should be bishops.
It doesn't actually.
It's only done so out of tradition, which protestantism by definition do away with.
>>71819728
Sola fide
Sola gratia
Solo Christo
>>71819823
1. Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach
>>71819823
Again Romanists showing their complete ignorance of scripture
1 Tim 3:1
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. (KJV)
Titus 1:6-9
6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,3 and his children are believers 4 and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer,5 as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound 6 doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. (ESV)
>>71819816
I do know what sola fide is. Confession and repentance is in itself a work, if one is to assert sola fide, it must logically follow that repentance in and of itself is meaningless.
>>71819719
And to address this, Tim. 4:1-5, ironically also typically used by anti-catholics.
>>71818896
How can lultherians even compete?
>>71819956
>>71819977
There is still nothing implicitly or explicitly forbidding a woman to be ordained.
>>71820013
> Confession and repentance is in itself a work, if one is to assert sola fide, it must logically follow that repentance in and of itself is meaningless.
Doesn't seem like it. Explain the latter part of what you said.
> And to address this, Tim. 4:1-5, ironically also typically used by anti-catholics.
Because the Bible prepares us to deal with heretics, people who compromise on biblical teachings, the gospel and Gnostics.
>>71818896
The original shitposter
>>71819956
>the husband of one wife
then why cucktholics demand priests to be celibate? If you use that verse to claim "male only" bishops, then they must be "married only" bishops also.
>>71820079
The issue is you are interpreting scripture from your viewpoint. That is being a Roman Catholic means you have a very low regard for scripture which is evident by the fact you are a Roman Catholic meaning you hold to unbiblical beliefs like purgatory.
Ergo you apply this to the verse.
The verses we cited clearly set a condition that a bishop is to be the husband of one wife. Unless you can argue the Bible considers same sex marriage as marriage you are going to have a hard time defending your position.
>>71820045
Plenty of great Lutheran, Anglican and Presbyterian churches.
>>71820152
It's because they corrupt and spew heresy plus promote a false gospel.
>>71820152
That's because catholics are heretics.
>>71820089
If one is absolved through faith alone, what is the purpose of repentance?
And how do you know you are not the heretical yourself? And how can you defend protestant ecumenism?
>>71819546
>>71820079
>bible says bishop must be a man, a husband of one wife
>it doesn't say a woman can't be a bishop
This is the problem with "progressive" Christianity. They are looking for loopholes, for "the bible doesn't technically say this", to justify their heresies and false teachings.
>>71820152
I don't know, you should ask Catholics, why they are ignoring the Bible for the sake of "traditions". The Bible literally says "it is not good for a man to be alone" (Gen 2:18).
>>71820152
>then why cucktholics demand priests to be celibate?
Guess
For true churches, you guys sure seem to have an ineresting lack of miracles.
>>71820284
> If one is absolved through faith alone, what is the purpose of repentance?
We faith appropriates the atoning work of Christ meaning we owe no debt to God for our sins. But repentance is a changing of mind. That you accept Christ and turn away from sin and worldly pursuits.
http://biblehub.com/greek/3341.htm (The Greek word is metanoia
>>71820321
This is the dumbest image Papists could have made. The 7 books are uninspired.
>>71820380
Yes I know that, I'm not actually for the ordination of women. I'm just trying to point out that this is one of the serious pitfalls of sola scriptura.
>>71820045
>look at mah grillz niggah!
>>71820284
To answer your question
We are
Predestined
Elected
Regenerated so now we can have faith since man is dead in sin
Faith
Repentance
Justification
Adopted
Sanctified (long process)
Preserved
Glorified in Christ
So it's something that's pre planned and is carried out.
>>71820618
Prove it.
>>71819719
>most Romanists/EO deny the inspiration of scripture
Where did you get that idea from? The books of the Bible are all divinely inspired, which is what separates them from other books that are not in the Bible.
The Protestants are the ones who think half the Bible isn't divinely inspired and is just apocrypha.
>>71818896
Luther hated God, though. Absolutely hated Him. Scrupulosity is a bitch.
>>71818896
What the orthodox and catholics understood is that relics, rituals, irons, and traditions are necessary to an enduring, godly doctrine. Martin Luther would have never approved of the many depraved, completely bogus protestant offshoots we see today.
>>71820484
John 20: Thomas answered him, saying “My Lord and my God!”Jesus said to him, “Is it because you have seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!”
2. Corinthians 5: For we live by faith, not by sight.
1. Peter 1:Though you have not seen him, you love him. And even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy, because you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
>>71820495
>The 7 books are uninspired.
Why did the earliest Christians and the Church Fathers all consider them canon, then?
>>71820956
Old testament canon had already been formed at time of Christ. Those 7 were not part of it, therefore they cannot hold the same authority but are still useful to read.
>>71820152
I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord
>>71821365
It is true that being unmarried can be helpful, expecially in the missionary work.
"Still others are celibate because they have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”
The thing is that it is always voluntary (ib4 being priest is voluntary). Bible allows both being married and being unmarried as priest. Therefore catholic church acts againts the scripture when it enforces the celibacy. They demand something that God does not demand.
>2016
>Believing in God let alone the Christian God
Just kill yourselves you fucking retards. You waste of space are dividing /pol/ for a bunch of Semitic desert myths. Go discuss this in /his/ or something. Fuck all the way out of here you ignorant Jew worshippers.
>>71820045
church should be a humbling place, not an ornamental queerfest
>>71821950
u mad?
>>71821950
>martin luther
>jew worshiper
>>71821777
But being a priest *is* voluntary.
Can you link me to more scripture that discusses this? (legitimately curious)
>>71822602
Peter was married. Mark. 1: After they left the synagogue, they went directly to the house of Simon and Andrew, along with James and John. Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying in bed, sick with a fever, so they promptly told Jesus about her.
Bishops were usually married: (Elder=episkopos=bishop)
1. Titus 1: An elder must be [Lit. If anyone is] blameless. He must be the husband of one wife [Or devoted to his wife ; lit. a man of one woman] and have children who are believers and who are not accused of having wild lifestyles or of being rebellious.
1. Tim. 3: Therefore, an elder must be blameless, the husband of one wife, [Or devoted to his wife; lit. a man of one woman] stable, sensible, respectable, a lover of strangers, and teachable. [Or able to teach]
There is nothing unclean or bad about marriage. Marriage is holy in the eyes of God.
Matthew 19: He answered them, “Haven't you read that the one who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘That is why a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
There is nothing wrong with being married, neither there is nothing wrong in remaining unmarried. All we claim is that everyone (even priests) can make their own decision and that church has no right to enforce celibacy because God does not demand it.
>>71822177
yeah I fee really humble leaving my parents 6000 sqft house to go worship in a tool shed
>>71820529
What part of "husband of one wife" don't you understand?
>>71822177
>Christian music: OK!
>Christian writing: OK!
>Christian painting: OK!
>Christian architecture: NO! This is bad! It has to look like an old barn or a retirement home lobby!
>>71819719
>Pro LGBT
fallen to the liberal media bait I see
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/11/pope-says-no-trans-kids-teach-young-accept-body-created/
/pol/acks are pathetic
>>71823500
>implying you'd ever leave your parents' basement
>>71820676
Its in the Buybell
>>71820721
Most Romanists treat them as if they weren't
>>71820772
Unregenerate Papist get out
>>71821950
> flag
>>71823781
Plenty of bishops like that. See Boston College.
>>71823500
Do you think that every protestant is rich?
Hosea 6: For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Isaiah 66: Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Acts 17: God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Thesis 86: Again, ``Why does not the pope, whose wealth is today greater than the wealth of the richest Crassus, build this one basilica of St. Peter with his own money rather than with the money of poor believers?''
>>71823851
I disagree with Lutheran theology but I love Lutheran worship. It's not too smells and bells like EO but not too low church like Pentecostals.
>>71824125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXhi7YqyEos
Ideal worship service
>>71818896
He also forgot little fact that Bible was put together by Catholic Church, throw out the tradition, what was older than Bible, fucked a nun, and didn't get BTFO by Holy Inquisition on the theological warfare only because some funny prince wanted to robbed the Church.
Also, protestantism is a grandfather of degeneracy.
But I must admit, of all of this, Luther is so much fucking better than Calvin and Henry
>>71824407
> He also forgot little fact that Bible was put together by Catholic Church
The Bible was written by God.
> throw out the tradition
Proof? Clement of Rome affirmed sola fide.
> fucked a nun, and didn't get BTFO by Holy Inquisition on the theological warfare only because some funny prince wanted to robbed the Church.
It's obvious you aren't Christian and just going off memes
> lso, protestantism is a grandfather of degeneracy.
Prove it. Pope Borgia held orgies in the Papal States.
> But I must admit, of all of this, Luther is so much fucking better than Calvin and Henry
Like you know anything besides memes about them
>>71824407
Or one could say that Bible was put together by orthodox church. The early undivided church was not the same as medieval catholic church. The 7 ecumenical councils were not called by the pope but by the emperor. Bible was officially canonized in 4th century and reign of popes began after fall of the empire.
>sola fide
>hard determinism
>wanted to convert Jews so when they told him to fuck off he got mad
>unironically supported Turks
>20,000 sects
Protestantism is just shitty.
>>71825068
So many things wrong. But what can I expect from an imageboard.
>>71824961
But so what? The early Christian church did not hold to the crazy unbiblical ideas of Rome or Moscow
>>71825308
None of what I wrote is wrong.
>>71825455
You stated some facts as if they were incorrect or unbiblical without providing an argument. Given your flag you are probably ignorant of them.
>>71824720
>The Bible was written by God.
Not the New Testament. Paul say hi.
>Proof? Clement of Rome affirmed sola fide.
So you are using Pope to prof that tradition is a bullshit. Hmmm
>It's obvious you aren't Christian and just going off memes
History is a meme then
>Prove it. Pope Borgia held orgies in the Papal States.
Look at worlds centers of degeneracy. Germany, Sweden, Denmark, GB, USA. Even parts of France that was infected by huguenots still vote for socialists
>Like you know anything besides memes about them
Yes I know. I read works about them. I read their works. And still, Luther is still better than King who wanted to fuck and Calvin that doesn't believe in free will.
>>71824961
Oh, it was Catholic. Read about it, it's great read.
>>71818896
>worshipped a kike on a stick
How are you my Aryan friend?
PROTESTANTS ISNT CHRISTIAN YOU STUPID NIGGER
REEEEEEEE
SAGED REPORTED DOWNVOTED UNSUBSCRIBED BLACKLISTED NUKED-FROM-ORBIT
>>71825724
>Implying that kikes aren't khazars
>>71825674
> Not the New Testament. Paul say hi.
God inspired the authors.
> So you are using Pope to prof that tradition is a bullshit. Hmmm
He affirmed justification by faith and he wasn't a "Pope". He was a bishop. When he address Rome he always refers to a plurality of elders rather than one supreme elder.
> Look at worlds centers of degeneracy. Germany, Sweden, Denmark, GB, USA. Even parts of France that was infected by huguenots still vote for socialists
Confirmation bias. Look at France, Italy, Brazil, Greece, Serbia and Russia.
> Yes I know. I read works about them. I read their works. And still, Luther is still better than King who wanted to fuck and Calvin that doesn't believe in free will.
Since you are still an unbeliever you must desperately cling on to free will.
>>71825068
>Sola fide
Is the truth
>Hard determinism
Unconditional election to salvation only
>Wanted to convert jews
True. First he thought that they were victims but soon learned their true nature. Mistakes can happen.
>unironically supported the turks
Thought that turks were of the devil and supported emperors war against them.
>20000 sects
Yet only one church which has Christ as its head. Earthly organizations are not the same as Gods kingdom where every beliver is together.
>>71825674
Luther doesn't believe in free will either.
>>71825652
They are both incorrect and unbiblical.
>>71825866
Prove it Albanian?
>>71819546
There is not a single lutheran who follows Luther, and that's because you protestants don't follow anything you feel uncomfortable about. Ypu're trash.
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irja_Askola
Martin Luther, fighting against KEKS and Muslims since 1528
On war against Islamic reign of terror
1528
(On war against the Turk)
Vom Kriege wider die Türken, 1528
(WA 30 II, 107-148)
http://www.lutherdansk.dk/On%20war%20against%20Islamic%20reign%20of%20terror/On%20war%20against%20Islamic%20reign%20of%20terror1.htm
Count of Katzenellenbogen, Ziegenhain and Nidda, My gracious lord.
Grace and peace in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. Serene, highborn Prince, gracious Lord.
Certain persons have been begging me for the past five years to write about war against the Turks, and encourage our people and stir them up to it, and now that the Turk is actually approaching, my friends are compelling me to do this duty, especially since there are some stupid preachers among us Germans (as I am sorry to hear) who are making the people believe that we ought not and must not fight against the Turks. Some are even so crazy as to say that it is not proper for Christians to bear the temporal sword or to be rulers; also because our German people are such a wild and uncivilized folk that there are some who want the Turk to come and rule. All the blame for this wicked error among the people is laid on Luther and must be called “the fruit of my Gospel,” just as I must bear the blame for the rebellion, and for everything bad that happens anywhere in the world.
My accusers know better, but God and His Word to the contrary, they pretend not to know better, and seek occasion to speak evil of the Holy Ghost and of the truth that is openly confessed, so that they may earn the reward of hell and never receive repentance or the forgiveness of their sins.
>>71825913
According to Protestant logic you can do horrific things but if you believe you will be saved.
It makes no sense.
God doesn't save people, people save themselves by following God's word.
>>71826152
Later Luther varied a lot and contradicted himself. But overall he did a great job breaking from Rome.
>>71826258
Yep. I was right. Your flag says it all.
>>71821777
Well, from what I remember the priest is actually married, so to speak. The church is his wife.
>>71819772
Then how is >>71819056
somehow an end-all argument against Catholicism?
The Catholic church is a victim of church-state opressio- err separation, meaning it is just another outlet of leftist bashing. This is exactly what was wrong with Leftism.
The problem is not Christianity, it's it being forced to "dont trigger warning me". The Bible clearly stated that only men should be bishops.
>>71818896
> He actually loved Lord Jesus Christ and Word of God more than wealth, status and power.
He would not survive today. Surely not in good mental health. Malnutrition should be also mentioned.
>>71822177
most humbling would be a skype transmission
and cheapest
lutherans MUST consider
>>71826316
You aren't right. You just don't understand Christianity do you?
>>71826593
No. Your question tells me you have never ever seriously studied Protestantism. 10/10 chance you are just a "christian" (EO aren't Christian) who doesn't go to church but is patriotic and equates patriotism being a slavshit with christianity.
>>71826258
Romans 3: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 6:What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him , that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Anglican Protestantism combined with Commom Book of Prayer (1662) is the truest method of worship to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Anything else is borderline heresy.
>>71821060
>if I twist it enough, it makes sense!
Martin Luther is the closest person to the Apostle Paul Who lived after the days of the early Church.
>>71826665
>slavshit
That's terribly un-Christian of you.
>doesn't go to church
Irrelevant.
>>71826672
Mhhhmmmmm Anglican liturgy is GOAT. On par with Lutheran divine service. Too bad theologically you guys are scattered. A nice conservative reformed parish is the best.
>>71826786
I'd say Calvin. But I'm biased.
>>71826863
Also you are making the stupid claims. Now defend them
>>71826863
Not going to church is incredibly relevant. If you think it's irrelevant, you're incredibly ignorant of scripture, and you probably have nothing to say intelligently about scriptural matters.
>>71827011
Which explains why he gave a terrible refutation of Protestantism.
>>71825860
>God inspired the authors.
Then, tell my how do you know WHO was Inspired.
>e affirmed justification by faith and he wasn't a "Pope". He was a bishop. When he address Rome he always refers to a plurality of elders rather than one supreme elder.
He was a Pope. Pope equals bishop of Rome who since very beginning was the last instance in theological fight among Christians.
>Confirmation bias. Look at France, Italy, Brazil, Greece, Serbia and Russia.
France is fucked since Revolution, Italy since Renesansne, Brazil because of socialist and rest is orthodox.
>Since you are still an unbeliever you must desperately cling on to free will.
Believe me, I have in my time a protestant period. Then I started to read their works. And then works of the Fathers of Church. You should try it.
>>71826909
As far as Anglos go, William Tyndale far outshines Calvin, in my opinion. Thanks for the Bible Mr. Tyndale.
>>71827101
Just checked. Calvin is French?
>>71818896
Does the 30 years' war ring any bells cuck?
>>71827156
Yes. Calvin's theology was an important foundation for modern Protestantism/biblical theology.
>>71827087
> Then, tell my how do you know WHO was Inspired.
Divine sense. God has told me.
>>71826945
I explained them. Denial of free will is idiotic concept.
Now you explain "slavshit" and what does going to church have to do with faith?
>>71827162
If someone is ending the stranglehold Satan has on Europe in the form of Catholicism, don't you think he would shake things up? Why do the Papists always bring up the 30 Years War as if it has any bearing on what scriptures say.
Try relying on God's Word instead of your interpretation of history.
>>71827162
>Be cucktholic
>Get BTFO in Bible fight
>Attempt tu murder those who speak the truth
>Fail miserably
>Try to use military force to subjugate true believers
>Get BTFO on battlefield
Gott mit uns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVg28azacaM
>>71827316
Church attendance is mandated in the Bible. Fellowship is important.
You didn't explain why it is idiotic. You have yet to do it. Look what you don't get. Maybe its your Albanian/Slav/Turk blood but you have to provide a reason.
>>71827516
>Church attendance is mandated in the Bible
Prove it.
>>71826721
>the priest who considered themselves an authority in faith, directly contradicting the word, formed a canon for political reasons 200 years after the last book was written
>this canon is truly infallible
>>71827275
>Divine sense. God has told me.
But Bible is older than you. In fact, it was put together on a council of bishops. They all prayed and Holy Spirit helped them put the Bible. So now, God is telling something against Himself? That doesn't sound like God, it sound like this sanddemon, Allah.
>>71827516
If you claim his blood makes him inferior, you call yourself inferior. The Bible specifically says God made us all of one blood.
>>71827608
Hebrews 10:25.
>>71827516
Where?
>blood
How do you reconcile your blatant racism and hatred with Christianity?
>>71827608
Mandated in that we are supposed to be fellowshiping and worshiping with our brothers.
>>71827654
Yes. Exactly. They choose 66 books that I believe today. Jerome translated 66 books, Pope Gregory the Great held to 66 books, the Jews held to 39 OT books.
>>71827675
>>71827746
I am angry. Sorry. But justify your position.
>>71827732
1st century meetings aren't like services today. Try again.
>>71827746
Protestantism isn't christianity though.
>>71818896
ITT: Heretics arguing with each other.
>>71827652
>the Constantine made the bible meme
>>71827864
"They did things differently in the old days so that means we don't have to do anything now."
>>71827888
>what is the First Council of Nicaea
>>71827953
Nice strawman, but it doesn't prove the claim.
>>71827984
>le council of Nicaea decided canon of the bible-meme
Read a book nog.
>>71826038
Because most people who "follow" anything are actually weak fucking losers.
Those "Lutherans" who denounce Luther are no different from so-called Wagner lovers who denounce him as a man as a crazy anti-semitic nut, but somehow the whole time they absolutely think everything else in his operas is divine.
If you had the technological web in your hands strongly enough, you could get the masses to suck dog cocks every morning as a new health fad.
>>71828262
Its really sad that you only have memes
Well you deserve Hell I guess
>>71827746
Almost every letter in the New testaments is written to churches. It was kinda obvious to be together with other believers.
Acts 2: They continually devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to fellowship, to the breaking of bread, and to times of prayer.
>>71828081
Church means the assembly. It's the body of believers. The Bible tells us not to forsake the assembly.
I'm not saying there's any particular right way to have church aside from the fact it's a gathering of believers with a pastor that sings and teaches and exercises judgment within its ranks.
It doesn't have to be the LCMS divine service. It doesn't have to be in a building. It doesn't have to have pews and an altar.
It can't just be you and a friend, though, and it can't just be your family. Those aren't assemblies.
>>71827732
Doesn't mean church attendance is compulsory.
>>71827856
I did that. Jesus taught you. It's up to you to follow the word of God, or ignore it and punish yourself.
Blind belief is good for some, for others it's not. Faith is more than mechanic repetition of practices.
You have a very simplistic and literalist interpretation of Christianity, but amazingly you ignore some core aspects ("slavshit").
>>71828353
You havent given any proof texts. Do you know what an argument is? You ask some ignorant questions about Protestantism
>>71828321
>we only have memes
We follow the true word of god and we are not slaves to a puppeteer in Rome nor to the fancies of our populous that live as morally as the denizens of Sodoma and Gomora.
>>71828353
Read Hebrews 10. It says you move God to fiery anger if you don't.
It's not required for salvation, but it's a command.
>>71827856
>Yes. Exactly. " God is telling something against Himself"
Well, congratulations, you throw logic away and became fully heretical even on protestant standards. Also, canon of Bible is more than 66 books kido since II century.
>>71826672
Based Lincolnshire.
>>71828499
Yep. Nothing but empty statements and memes
>>71828546
What? God inspired 66 books. I know they are true because of the divine sense in me God has given me.
>>71828564
Then please tell me why the Protestant Church in Sweden, or Germany or the Catholic church in Germany is doing anything to preserve the religion of their people, but rather bow down to the invaders and the crazy whims of the uneducated populous.
For fuck sake you protestants support gay marriage and islamization of Europe.
>>71828609
Exactly. The Bible has power like nothing else. I believe because it is so obviously true. Unscientific? Yes. I avoid oppositions of science falsely so called as the Bible says to do.
>>71818896
ITT: Christcucks go back and forth on who's religion cucks the best for Jewish Yeshua.
MY SEMITIC MYTHS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR SEMITIC MYTHS
>>71826672
>following a denomination whose sole purpose is to allow royalty to fuck and dump with impunity
>>71828701
How do some "Protestants" who have forsaked the Bible represent Protestantism? You are like Montenegrin here you has never studied Protestantism talking about Protestantism. They don't represent us. Also the EO church has bowed down to Muslims all throughout history. Since you guys preach heresy you have had to negotiate with the devil because God wouldnt stand up for you
>>71828609
Then there is Father of Church, Bishops, Popes, Saints, theologians and a bunch of normal people whose divine sense telling them, that you are not right.Who the hell you are to be last instantiation.
>filthy protestant heretics in muh /pol/
OUT
>>71828778
What denom are you senpai
>>71828989
Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
>>71828879
>bowed down to Muslims
>Protestant League wanted to help kebab siege Viena
>Orthodox where the first to fight kebab and Cathocucks failed to help
Nice fucking BS tale.
>YOU GUYS PREACH HERESY
Nice argument you got there.
>>71828981
Most of them believed in justification by works so they were unregenerate anyway aka unsaved
Romans 3:2 tells us the jews were trusted with the oracle of God. Aka the OT. They wrote 39 books. Thats what matter. You havent addressed the other points I brought up. Like Jerome and Pope Gregory the Great.
>>71829017
As Protestants we never had to worry about fighting for God for God was always with us.
>>71829058
Romanian Orthodox Church, Metropoly of Cluj, Salaj and Maramures.
>>71828863
What, no kike on a stick?
>>71828879
Now what a fucking second. EO has had to resist the brunt of the Islamic onslaught and, except for the nestorians, have had to suffer most of it without being able to call upon the larger church to help. Hell, without the Roman pontiff organizing the Crusades, it would be far worse.
>>71828609
See, this whole idea of "I know these specific books are right because I say so" is exactly why I can't take protestants seriously.
>>71829151
Yet you wanted to cause harm upon others based on their faith and did nothing to stop harm being done on your fellow man.
>>71829163
> Now what a fucking second. EO has had to resist the brunt of the Islamic onslaught and, except for the nestorians, have had to suffer most of it without being able to call upon the larger church to help. Hell, without the Roman pontiff organizing the Crusades, it would be far worse.
God let the Orthodox to be ruled by Turks for 500 years because they preached heresy
> See, this whole idea of "I know these specific books are right because I say so" is exactly why I can't take protestants seriously.
Read. I gave the arguments.
>>71829223
Example?
>>71829277
>30 Years War
>Did nothing to fight Kebab
>Wanted to help Kebab.
All in one century from existence.
Essentially, what you non-protestants believe is that you need to earn your way to Heaven. God wants all the glory for it. If you did anything to earn it, some of the glory would be yours. Works-based salvation is prideful. Trust in Jesus alone.
>>71829349
So what? Some Protestants were bad.
>>71828510
That's the problem with literalist interpretation of Christianity.
God's anger is not the same as human anger. God's love is omnipresent and unconditional. You cannot understand God.
God doesn't punish. Man punishes himself, by rejecting God.
>>71829443
Those where the actions of the Protestant League. Meaning the fucking majority at the time.
Protestants
>They have been helping kebab for half millenia, while Orthodox and Catholics been fighting then since the fall of Roman Empire.
>Bitch about kebabs raping them but want kebab dick at same time.
Just Protestantism things.
>>71829480
> God doesn't punish. Man punishes himself, by rejecting God.
SO WRONG. You couldnt even defend your wrong positions. Now you have over done it. The issue is you are used to just spouting memes and strawmans. Now they you are asked to defend it you cant.
>>71829017
>failed to help
On one hand, we are obligated by doctrine to help our brothers in chism, and the demon called Allah must be vanished from the earth. On the other, one cannot help but think orthodox don't appreciated the fact a poor, poverty and famine ridden West managed to muster even the few thousands it did against the million Muslims was a miracle all unto itself.
>>71829257
No you didn't. Your argument is literally the most misguided pseudofaith possible which inevitably leads to that lesbian bishop because if it's just whatever you feel it's right then there is no true dogma to follow.
>>71829443
All protestants are bad. Theologically and dogmatically, anyway.
Why haven't you converted to Protestantism yet, Catholic degenerate?
>>71822177
This does feel nice.
But the absolute magnificence and glory of that high architecture cannot be beat.
>>71829534
SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO WHAT?
You are avoiding the real discussion.
>>71826362
I am not sure who are you arguing against. I didn't post this picture to prove Catholicism as wrong because the Pope is a cuck to modernity.
Catholicism is wrong because of all the unbiblical doctrins it has.
Being controlled by secular officials is a problem most of denominations have to deal with.
The Old testament that was used during time of Jesus had 39 books. Nobody forbids you from reading the apocrypha, those books just don't have the same status. I have read them and we mostly miss out dragons and such. Those books are not needed for salvation.
>>71829581
> No you didn't. Your argument is literally the most misguided pseudofaith possible which inevitably leads to that lesbian bishop because if it's just whatever you feel it's right then there is no true dogma to follow.
You cant read or you ignore what you don't like
You can scroll for yourself
>>71829480
God is omnipresent, but he doesn't love everyone. Not everyone is His child. He hates some people and will justly cause them to burn forever.
He gets angry at believers, too, but he never hates us. He will punish you here on Earth but save you from hell if you trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
God chastens those he loves and scourges every son he receives.
>>71829701
>>71829701
I dont know why I waste time talking with atheists/socialists/papist/eastern heretics on the internet
>>71829098
No. They believe in justification by works AND faith. You believe only in faith, what is unbiblical.
Also, the Jews wrote those poor seven books too. They was wrote in hebrew in arabic.
>>71829425
We are made in God's image, wasting your body away doing nothing is a sin. Living in sin is not the best way to accept God.
Moreover one can praise God and his glory by doing works of his trade of such a quality worthy of appreciation by fellow men.
And last but not least Protestants think that salvation is random, and everything was decided already.
>>71829606
>SOOOOOOOO WHAT
No wonder you are the ones liking commies and faggots. You are pulling the same arguments of not all protestants.
>>71829757
Me either. You should go out evangelizing today.
God chose the foolishness of preaching to spread the gospel. I'm going to do that now. It works.
If you're interested in doing the main work Jesus has called us to do, and want to discuss ways to do it best, you can email me at [email protected]. Also kik jayweezy55.
Don't be slack in your duty, brother.
>>71820495
>The 7 books are uninspired.
Says who, and on who's authority?
>>71822177
The art serves to inspire and help focus and lure people.
Please compare rates of church attendance from Catholics countries, Orthodox and Protestant.
You philistines competently missed the point of decoration and art. Tully a doctrine born from low clergy illiteracy. Your churches look like synagogues, barren of any inspiration.
>>71829701
God loves everyone and everyone is God's child, for we are all made in his image.
It's up to you to accept God's love or reject it. By rejecting it, you punish yourself.
For example, murderer isn't punished by God, he punishes himself by commiting murder. He tries to distance himself from God, he rejects God.
>>71829687
I have, your can be subdivided into three kinds: misuse of the quotes (the Roman 3:2 being the weirdest of them all), insulting people because, and post making claims that you supported a claim when you didn't. That still does nothing to disprove what I said there and the heresy involved with that thinking. The bible is not just whatever makes you personally feel comfortable, each man is not in charge of making his own dogma.
>>71830011
I you read his post, his.
>>71830025
The woman and her bottle of perfume comes to mind.
>>71829800
Works are not for salvation. Works are from salvation. Learn the difference
>>71829839
>salvation is random
God is the source of salvation. It is a gift in Christ. If you reject Christ you are doomed.
>>71830011
Learn what is deuterocanon. I have explained it many times in this thread.
>>71830206
Then why did Jesus tell the Pharisees they were children of the devil?
Why does John 1:12 say believers are given the right to be called children of God?
Why does the Bible talk about sons of belial?
But I guess your feel-good Christianity version of reality, where everyone is God's child, perfectly jives with scripture, right?
>>71830363
>God is the source of salvation. It is a gift in Christ. If you reject Christ you are doomed.
>Humanity possesses free will in regard to "goods and possessions", but is sinful by nature and unable to contribute to its own salvation.
>UNABLE TO CONTRIBUTE
So you don't have the free will to accept god.
>>71830328
Much better being unkempt pleb with a shit image.
Catholics are known as patrons of art and the world will be forever grateful for their huge investment in that field.
What is the legacy of Protestantism? One of the most destructive wars in European history.
You are simple jewified Christianity. Your own literalism killed your own faith.
>>71830685
Ehmm, are you responding to the right guy, mate?
>>71830328
> Church is supposed to be the place where we worship god
> Church must look like a Barn because we are humble and we totally don't want to decorate it with our hard work meant to praise God
You are just being lazy Christians at best with that logic.
>>71830615
>So you don't have the free will to accept god.
John 6:No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him to life on the last day.
Holy spirit draws people to God, so they don't have the power to come and accept from their own will. They have the freedom to reject the offer though.
>>71830848
Nigga, don't any of you know about Luke 7:36-50?
>>71830454
Again, literalist interpretation.
>feel-good
"My" Christianity is actually more sinister than yours.
It takes more than simple mechanical repetition and fear to be a Christian.
>>71830968
>Draws
>Not imposes
They also have the freedom to accept it.
>>71830685
It was the catholic tyranny and oppression of believers that started the 30 years war. When you fail with Bible, you turn to arms.
Decorations are not forbidden. It's about prioritizing. Read this post:
>>71824125
>>71819672
Church of Sweden is bullshit though. The LCMS and SELK (if you're in Germany) are the true representatives of Lutheranism.
>>71830968
You Calvinists never make any sense. Anyone can be saved. Jesus died for everyone.
You have the free will to reject but not to accept? That's stupid. It makes no sense.
You know what makes sense? "The gospel is the power of God unto salvation."
Go spread the news and stop pondering things too high for you.
It makes no sense. "God will bring whoever he wants to Heaven no matter what but he wants us to waste time evangelizing." That's essentially what you're saying.
>>71831145
Only with the power of Holy spirit who is the source of faith. Not on their own.
Tell me again about how much better Europe is now than it was pre-Reformation.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>71831111
Yeah. You Catholics are actually the mindless repetitive types. "Say 30 Hail Mary's"
Being a Christian means trusting in the sacrifice of Jesus for your salvation.
>>71831300
But without their accord the Holy Spirit accounts to nothing.
>>71831397
I'm not Catholic.
>>71831285
>Calvinist
Read The Augsburg confession
Article XVIII: Of Free Will.
1] Of Free Will they teach that man's will has some liberty to choose civil righteousness, and to work 2] things subject to reason. But it has no power, without the Holy Ghost, to work the righteousness of God, that is, spiritual righteousness; since the natural man 3] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, 1 Cor. 2, 14; but this righteousness is wrought in the heart when the Holy Ghost is received 4] through the Word. These things are said in as many words by Augustine in his Hypognosticon, Book III: We grant that all men have a free will, free, inasmuch as it has the judgment of reason; not that it is thereby capable, without God, either to begin, or, at least, to complete aught in things pertaining to God, but only in works of this life, whether good 5] or evil. "Good" I call those works which spring from the good in nature, such as, willing to labor in the field, to eat and drink, to have a friend, to clothe oneself, to build a house, to marry a wife, to raise cattle, to learn divers useful arts, or whatsoever good 6]pertains to this life. For all of these things are not without dependence on the providence of God; yea, of Him and through Him they are and have their being. "Evil" 7] I call such works as willing to worship an idol, to commit murder, etc. 8] They condemn the Pelagians and others, who teach that without the Holy Ghost, by the power of nature alone, we are able to love God above all things; also to do the commandments of God as touching "the substance of the act." For, although nature is able in a manner to do the outward work, 9] (for it is able to keep the hands from theft and murder,) yet it cannot produce the inward motions, such as the fear of God, trust in God, chastity, patience, etc.
>>71818896
THEY'RE BRINGING INDULGENCES!
>>71831203
If you want to talk about failure with bible then please explain why Protestants failed to convert Orthodox in NW Russia for a few centuries.
>>71831512
THEY'RE BRINGING HERESY!
>>71831535
THEY'RE PAPISTS!
>>71831468
Yeah. The Holy Spirit gives the increase when someone hears the gospel. All praise to God not man. The one who hears must choose to accept, though.
>>71831514
>Implying those incense breathing mystics care about the Bible.
>>71831468
Luther personally denied free will. Yet ironically, his version of Sola Fide is the result of taking Medieval Catholic Sacramental theology seriously.
This also makes his Sola Fide technically Catholic if some adjustments are made on the free will area.
>>71831719
A good rule of thumb is to reject the beliefs of anyone who dresses like tranny wizard.
>>71831640
So it cannot happen without the help from Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is where gospel is preached.
>>71831719
Yet you believe that only the bits of the Bible that somehow support your arguments are created with divine inspiration but the rest was not.
>>71831203
What tyranny? Are you sure you live in the same planet? Protestants took the opportunity to pillage churches, kill destroy and rape in the name of their new found religion. You literally shattered a relative peace that had taken centuries to come about, all because of a shit tier bible interpretation and a handful of greedy princes.
Yeah some fucking tyranny it was, that is why then the dutch proceeded to kill every catholic under the sun they could while being friendly to Kebabs and other assorted religions.
Protestantism is at conflict with itself. It is a failed experiment that is not reconcilable with science due to its literal tendencies.
Even the very idea that salvation comes through faith alone is absolute delusional garbage, that inaugurated the mess we have today in Europe.
>>71831852
Martin Luther got that one wrong. He was good buddies with Calvin. They even almost formed one church body except for one disagreement about communion.
Martin Luther wasn't perfect, and belief or lack of belief in free will aren't priority 1 important beliefs regarding salvation.
>>71818896
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 7:21
>>71818896
>implying he didn't commit the ultimate blasphemy which is the translation of the Bible
>implying he isn't the direct cause for retarded Protestant beliefs such as creationism because the plebs read an ill-translated passage with no formal education on the topic
>>71831870
That is why Protestants never get anywhere.
>>71821060
They were in the Septuagint, dummy
>>71831899
I agree with this statement, but not the notion that people have nothing to do with their own salvation. You must choose to believe.
>>71832103
So you think we should follow tranny wizards?
>>71831719
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
The whole earth is full of His glory!”
4 And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke.
>the house was filled with smoke
>>71832390
God is pretty strict about incense use, though. Just ask Nadab and Abihu.
>>71832077
He got it right there.
In fact he was right to hate on Calvin. That moron made Geneva a literal authoritarian shithole where the pubs and shit were closed. You can't even dance WTF!!
Luther and Calvin have two differing conceptions of Sola Fide as well. For one, Luther doesn't care if you doubt or are weak in faith, you gotta cling onto Christ. Calvin says you must know and if you doubt, you aren't saved to begin with.
Luther also sees Justification taking place whenever penance does which is different from Calvin since he sees justification as one time moment. Luther agrees with Catholicism that it is process, not a mere one time moment.
Luther can even say "fuck you" to predestination whenever the question pops up.
>>71832086
Article VI: Of New Obedience.
1] Also they teach that this faith is bound to bring forth good fruits, and that it is necessary to do good works commanded by God, because of God's will, but that we should not rely on those works to merit justification 2] before God. For remission of sins and justification is apprehended by faith, as also the voice of Christ attests: When ye shall have done all these things, say: We are unprofitable servants. Luke 17, 10. The same is also taught by 3] the Fathers. For Ambrose says: It is ordained of God that he who believes in Christ is saved, freely receiving remission of sins, without works, by faith alone.
>>71832099
>Implying that Vulgata is somehow better translation
>Implying that Jerome was infallible when he even got BTFO by Augustine
>Implying the latin is sacred language
>Implying that catholic priests read Bible in ancient hebrew and greek.
>>71832356
>Getting hang up on clothing.
Inner pleb shinning.
>>71832356
>The vestiges of the Old Roman Church and the Empire look like a tranny
A M E R I C A N E D U C A T I ON
>>71832545
>implying the priests shouldn't have been reading it in Latin for traditional mass and Greek and Hebrew for study
>implying this justifies translating the Bible
>implying this justifies the plebs misinterpretation of passages based on their shitty translations
>implying the translation of the Bible wasn't anti-intellectual as fuck
>implying you translated poetry of any form without losing a shit ton of meaning
>>71832673
We should get the pope and the Patriarch to wear sneakers and jeans, that why the ameridumbs would finally convert.
>>71832545
Well, you base your argument on Ambrose. I base mine on the word of Christ. I'm pretty sure i win.
>>71832673
You know who else is pretty hung up on clothing? God.
The Bible is pretty clear on its stance on dressing in flashy apparel.
Don't bring up the ancient Israelites and their fancy things. That's different for many reasons.
>>71832545
Technically all patristic expressions of "faith alone" wouldn't be the same "faith alone" of the Reformers. It'll be closer to Luther's version but it's not quite the same.
Patristic soteriology believes and presupposes the free will of the individual in salvation. This means that the individual is active in the process as a free agent.
Luther's sola fide does paint this picture somewhat which is also why some commentators see Luther's Sola Fide and Catholicism's soteriology as one and the same or at least, close to each other.
Too bad Catholics are lazy to read into him.
>>71832502
Because he didn't command them to. It doesn't mean incense is bad you retard.
"Wherefore it is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church—those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain gift of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, [looking upon them] either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth. And the heretics, indeed, who bring strange fire to the altar of God— namely, strange doctrines— shall be burned up by the fire from heaven, as were Nadab and Abiud." - St. Irenaeus
>>71819546
I fixed it for you. Protestants don't know about all the books Luther banned from the bible that did not agree with his cult.
>>71833098
So where does it command new testament believers to burn incense in church?
>>71832977
The old testament also tells you to not eat pork or crustaceans.
So many BS that could be picked on, that the Bible tells you to do, but effectively nobody follows, because we have common sense and can understand the context of such sayings.
>>71833241
So where does it command the church to look like a barn?
>>71832876
>Implying the mass is more holy with latin
>Implying the Bible or apostles commanded to use latin
>Implying that plebs don't have the right to learn about God
>Implying that keeping the Bible out of reach is not just to mask heresies
You know what happens when people learn the truth
>>71832973
That was from confessions. Read the Gospels and Pauls letters, they confirm protestant theology.
>>71833241
>where
Holy Tradition. If you're going to follow your sola scriptura heresy to the max then where does it say to celebrate Christmas or Pascha?
>>71833303
First off, nothing in the Bible is BS.
Second, the commandments to dress modestly and the railing against opulence come from the new testament.
>>71833340
It doesn't. I'm more concerned with the way people dress than fancy churches.
>>71833241
Incense is used beyond worship in the context of early Christianity.
This means that the Early Christians wouldn't have a fuss with them unless if their use is related to sacrificing to Pagan gods or OT usage.
The fact is, the Early Christians used incense in burial and other purposes and since they worshiped in houses, it wouldn't be a stretch to find incense being used for hygiene purposes.
After all if they all hated incense so much, they would be pissed at hell at Constantine for giving them incense. Constantine himself would also know better.
>>71833565
>Dress Fancy
Do you even know the history of the clothing of priests?
It's not opulence, it's a mark of your trade, class and role in a community.
>>71833460
>nothing in the Bible is BS
"Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day."
Genesis 1:6-8
>>71833418
The Bible says one man esteems one day above another and another man esteems all days alike and both should be convinced in their own mind.
>>71832545
Based Confessio Augustana!
>>71833674
Firmament means sky. Are you saying there's no such thing as clouds? Is that not water that's separated from the water in the ocean?
This idea of a dome around a flat Earth with water outside it comes from weird kike mysticism.
>>71833303
>The old testament also tells you to not eat pork or crustaceans.
The old testament also states that the Laws of Moses are temporary and that one like Moses will come to update the Law. The Law of Moses has an explicit clause stating that if this man comes along, his laws should be followed. This man is presumed to be the Messiah.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+18:15
>he Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.
In the New Testament Jesus explicitly states that he has not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it, implying that he is the new lawgiver that will create the new law that the old law has provided for (hence Old Covenant, New Covenant).
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm
>"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus also said to eat whatever you want because what exists the mouth is more important than what enters it.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/15-11.htm
>What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
I'd tell you to read a book, but considering Poortugal has the lowest literacy in all of Europe I doubt that'd help you much.
>>71833666
Sure. I'm not saying incense is wrong. I'm just saying God has been touchy with the subject before.
>>71833898
Said "kike misticism" comes from old testament.
>>71818896
>d more than wealth, status and power. What absolute madman.
Maybe, but his teachings led to people loving wealth.
>>71834014
The kike mysticism I'm referring to is stupid interpretations of the Holy, true words of the Old Testament.
The kikes also believe leprosy in the Old Testament isn't the same disease we refer to as leprosy today and that it wasn't contagious.
>>71833968
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Matthew 5:18
>>71833418
Article XV: Of Ecclesiastical Usages.
1] Of Usages in the Church they teach that those ought to be observed which may be observed without sin, and which are profitable unto tranquillity and good order in the Church, as particular holy days, festivals, and the like.
2] Nevertheless, concerning such things men are admonished that consciences are not to be burdened, as though such observance was necessary to salvation.
3] They are admonished also that human traditions instituted to propitiate God, to merit grace, and to make satisfaction for sins, are opposed to the Gospel and the doctrine of faith. Wherefore vows and traditions concerning meats and 4] days, etc., instituted to merit grace and to make satisfaction for sins, are useless and contrary to the Gospel.
We can observe holidays insofar as they are not a contradiction of scripture, not because they are commanded by scripture.
>>71833985
yeah, now kiss me bby :3
>>71834238
The things that changed didn't erase laws. Jesus didn't say to eat unclean animals. He blessed all the world and declared them clean. He didn't say sacrifices shouldn't be done a certain way. He said his sacrifice wasn't enough. He didn't say the priesthood established in the Old Testament was wrong or the ceremonies weren't right, he established a new priesthood of the order of Melchizedek, which was before Moses.
No laws were done away with. The circumstances changed, which changed the way we behave.
>>71834238
>till all be fulfilled
Christ's last words on the cross was "tetelestai" in Greek, which means "it is fulfilled" or "it is accomplished".
>>71834238
>>71834910
https://bible.org/question/what-does-greek-word-tetelestai-mean
>>71819719
>heresy
>>71820273
>It's because they corrupt and spew heresy plus promote a false gospel.
>>71826672
>Anything else is borderline heresy.
>>71828879
>Since you guys preach heresy you have had to negotiate with the devil
>>71830328
>and the heresy involved with that thinking
>>71833418
>If you're going to follow your sola scriptura heresy to the max
Holy shit you guys, its like someone gave early Christians internet access and they call one another heretics on 4chan.
Or I'm living 40K, Christians fighting heretics in the 2016 future.
I'm so happy right now this thread is full of win /pol/ always delivers the best content.
>>71835077
It is often translated that way also, the same thing is meant either way. Christ fulfilled the law in his death and resurrection, interpreting that verse any other way is heresy that denies the salvific nature of his final act. This Mt 5:17 meme needs to die.
THEY BRING HERESY
>>71835427
THEY BRING INDULGENCES
>>71835255
War, War never changes.
>tfw no Finnish Lutheran friend to build up the faith with
t. fellow lutheran
>>71834180
those kikes, too bad jesus was a kike, too bad the entire Old Testament revolves around these kikes.
and how dare these kikes challenge the none-Hebrew interpolated Christian scriptures?
madness!
>>71835802
HERESY, heresy never changes.
>>71837472
Kikes aren't Jews, for the record. Christians are Jews. Kikes are members of the synagogue of satan who deny Jesus is the Messiah.
The Jews of the Old Testament were descended from Abraham, but were wicked for the most part and did terribly at their job, which was to be God's light in the world. They shined very dimly.
>>71837472
>>71837762
FYI, I signed into WiFi so I have a different ID.
Luther fucked up Europe with his schism just like any good German would do.
>>71837622
>Heresy, heresy never changes
We sure have noticed
>Reformation year 500
>Catholics still haven't turned from their wicked ways
>Heresy, heresy never changes
