well?
yes.
>>71638875
Stop driving down wages with immigration.
They are right. Wealth gets stolen through Jewish trickery. Hitler knew this.
They always say the 1% will pay but then my taxes go up
Typical bernie fucks who can't make something of themselves. I think they'd be better off killing themselves.
>as for you, pic related
>>71638875
He's right. Can't wait for the 95% of the world's population poorer than him to take his stuff by force.
What do people mean when they imagine wealth "trickling down" exactly? That rich people should just give money to people out of the kindness of their heart?
The reality is that the private sector does provide people with jobs and that is a form of wealth "trickling down".
>>71638875
>mfw it's literally a call for communist revolution
Lol how entitled can one person be
>>71638969
What happens if immigrants become citizens? Employers have to legally pay them minimum wage.
>so lets raise taxes on the money which isn't in America
Why don't you just better police international banking instead retards.
>>71638875
Basic income will never happen.
It wasn't even a thing in that questionably red pilled Elysium movie.
>redditors literally calling for a violent communist revolution
Not surprised to be honest. Too bad none of those fairy leftists will be able to pull that off. After Berncuck burns out even more than he already has they will protest in cities and it'll be Occupy Wallstreet 2.0 and once again they will get their asses handed to them then keep crying on the internet like a bunch of useless babies they are.
>>71638875
>It has been stoled from us!
Allowing the poor to control significantly large sums of money is a very bad idea. Would be like shoveling a gross tonnage of food into a concentration camp. Sounds like a good idea, feed the starving people, but then they gorge themselves and rupture their bellies and die.
>>71638875
He's not wrong, but he's fucking idiotic to think that taking it is a simple matter. the primary motivation for the establishment of government has always been the protection of the rich and their money.
>>71639267
higher wealth is taxed more, taxes funneled into growth, entire population slowly increases luxury and quallity of life..
and then a bunch of white university students ruin an entire institution because some feces on a wall was racist
>>71638875
Yeah the obscene wealth doesnt trickle down because people are corrupt and that much money allows for so much influence why would they willingly part with any of it?
Actual wealth from succesful small businesses or even small businesses turned big can and will trickle down in a sense that the growth of the business leads to more jobs, bigger market etc. But once you reach a certain point, it stops trickling down cuz the people who can make that much money are probably Jews and whatever basically just terrible people who hog a shit ton of money for influence purposes - see Jewish elite ie Rothschilds
>>71639350
import more, duh
>>71639397
This
>>71638875
Why do libcucks think rich people are supposed to give them money for doing nothing?
>>71639542
> higher wealth is taxed
> rich people ask their local bank to transfer their wealth to Panama
thanks stupid canuck
>>71639635
because underwater basketweaving is super important and you're a shitlord if you don't pay me for it
>>71639683
The dumb fucking leaf is completely wrong. The point of so-called trickle down economics is that if the rich are taxed less they allegedly use it to create more jobs or spend it causing growth in the economy.
>>71638875
>Costs trickle down. Wealth does not.
Trully a redpill, if there was one.
>>71638875
>the only way to stop tax avoidance is to tax the rich
>mfw the solution to all liberals problems is 'tax the rich'
>rich people want to keep their money
Woooow, no fucking shit
>>71639635
Well, I do think some fault lies with banks, giving out loans on college degrees, houses, cars among other things people can't reasonably pay back for.
Yes people are stupid and should take responsibility for taking out a $100K loan on a Theater Arts degree; but if the powers that be didn't allow it to happen in the first place, our economy would be in better shape.
>>71638875
Most rich people are greedy fuckers who steal from their workers, but that doesn't mean we should redistribute their wealth. I'm all for lynching business owners for bad, even cruel business practices, but not stealing their fucking wealth.
>>71639867
>that if the rich are taxed less they allegedly use it to create more jobs or spend it causing growth in the economy.
But they DO do that. Do you think money that is put in a bank just sits there like some Scrooge McDuck type safe? When you put money into a bank it is *always* invested into other things in order for the bank to gain a profit.
Do you really think a banker would do business at all, if it wasn't ANY fucking profit for him? What kind of retard are you?
>>71638875
The reverse is true. Hyper taxing the wealth doesnt trickle down and they flee the country meaning less money from them than before .
Key to a fair tax plan , low corporate tax,
Then get rid of inversion by closing the loopholes simple
>>71639444
>19th century aristocrat appeared
>>71639635
>People starving because they can't have jobs
>Meanwhile, some faggots move trillions out of the country and send the jobs overseas
>This is all the fault of some stupid college kid with 20 years
>Completely not the fault of some globalist
>>71638875
This can easily be solved by learning what trickle down economics actually is. Don't tax their money so fucking much and they'll spend less trying to hide it. Pretty fucking simple and has been proven before.
>>71639405
I would take them seriously if they actually had weapons, hell, even if they were violent protesters. But alas, it's always people unrelated to them causing all the damage.
>>71640019
>but if the powers that be didn't allow it to happen in the first place, our economy would be in better shape.
So it's rich people's fault that there are people stupid enough to take out loans they can't pay back? Are they supposed to say "no thanks we don't want your money."?
>>71639097
>bootlicker licking boots
who would've thunk
>>71640163
>Do you think money that is put in a bank just sits there like some Scrooge McDuck type safe?
Yes, and panama papers just showed us that, you fucking retard. Now go on and keep spouting consevative lines we all listened 100 of times already
>Muh you think the rich just pile up the money
Fucking usefull idiots. They are fucking us in the ass and you are asking for more and harder
>>71638875
>They will not wilingly give us their wealth
Well, yeah... it's theirs. Why should they give you something for nothing? But besides the point, people who start businesses have IPOs all the time which is literally them selling you the asset they used to generate their wealth.
>>71640211
>rich people have more money than me and that's not fair so they should give me their money for doing nothing
Have you considered that the reason you are poor is because you are a retard who doesn't understand economics? And if you aren't poor then why don't you give your money away to a bunch of niggers on welfare for nothing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8
>>71638875
Sad but true
This guy is right
>>71640194
>Hyper taxing the wealth
Who is advocating for it?
>>71640234
>Don't tax their money so fucking much and they'll spend less trying to hide it.
Or simply don't allow them to hide the money and fight fiscal heavens
>>71639444
Fun Fact from the Netherlands:
There used to be a Personal budget for the (mentally) disabled and handicapped. This budget contained E15 000 for them to spend at will on extra healthcare(not on other things obviously).
YES, our government gave downers en schizo's 15 grand each year and expected them to spend it wisely. Of course in no time all sorts of fishy budgetbureaus popped up like mushrooms to help them spend their money.
They would think, as far their capacities would let them, their bills for physiotherapie and medication were being paid for by these mediators, often this was not the case. The money would all dissappear god knows where and these mentally disabled people were left with a HUGE debt.
Last year it was decided that they would find a different system for making sure the disabled would get their care that was a little less sensitive to fraud.
I still can not get over the fact that someone thought it was a great idea to give mentally disabled people the oppurtunity to buy their own healthcare. Hell, the whole reason they need that healthcare is because they can not take care of themselves. These are the kind if people that can not even manage to put on some clean underwear every morning.
>rich liberal piece of shit voicing socialist memes
Just to keep in touch with retarded liberal "poor" folk, read: rich trust fund babbies, or people who fucked up their life with poor decisions
>>71640392
>Yes, and panama papers just showed us that, you fucking retard.
No it didn't. It just showed that rich people are willing to break the law to not pay as much taxes, and I don't blame them. I don't want to pay taxes either.
>>71639444
Money isn't consumed, it's spent. Give a bunch of irresponsible poor a bunch of money and it'll eventually find it's way back to where it belongs.
>>71640266
when that happens, isnt it the fault of unregulated voracious bankers
If you're rich enough to worry about a socialist revolution you're bourgeois scum that will be put against the wall on the day of the rope.
>>71640247
You mean the niggers?
>>71640507
Sandberg is advocating for a 70% effective tax rate on corporations and the 1%. In addition to the minimum wage increase and 30% on holdings in the market. Everyone who could would leave the country with their massive wealth.
>>71638875
100% agree.
Take it from the rich (who don't deserve to be rich) give it to the poor (who don't deserve to be poor) no bullshit robin hood socialism.
>>71640266
There's a reason not every peasant was made a knight or given land...
While I agree with you, a lot of these jew corps know that they can loan every fucking retard money because the government will bail them out if (when) things go awry. Which then fucks over the non retards as well.
>>71638875
fuck off back to plebbit.
>>71640266
>So it's rich people's fault that there are people stupid enough to take out loans they can't pay back?
When they sell a dream to a fucking teenager (teenagers are stupid, they always were and always will) and then give them some scrap of paper, then yes, it's a little of their fault
I saw that the other day. 90% of the responses are calling him out on being a retarded commiekid or "Is this sarcasm?" posts.
>>71639267
Rich people buy tons of shit and spend lots of money. That money makes its way all the way down through the economy.
>>71640735
>When they sell a dream to a fucking teenager and then give them some scrap of paper, then yes, it's a little of their fault
You're thinking of the government and academia. K-12 public school is a student loan pipeline.
>>71638875
>Apply for job
>Employer pays you a set amount of money for your labour, which you agree to when you sign your contract
>Start job
>Get paid the amount of money you and your employer agreed to
>Notice your employer makes more money than you do
>This money belongs to you because your labour helped to make this money, even though you've already received the sum of money that you agreed to for your labour
Millenials are this fucking stupid, and they wonder why nobody wants to hire them.
>>71640882
I am well aware, but liberals/leftists are usually too retarded to even understand elementary economics.
>>71640019
Everyone's at fault.
It starts with our government, for subsidizing these loans to take place. (They took money from our taxes to give to banks who in turn used it to give to common people...)
The banks (aka rich people) just took advantage of the situation (free money from the government). Yes they are at fault for being greedy assholes without thinking about how it would affect future generations.
The common people also took advantage of the situation (essentially being allowed to own an expensive degree, car, home without having to pay for it first, or having the ability to ever pay for it). Many are/were too stupid to realize you can't pay off a loan on a 200K house, 50K degree while making only 30K a year.
So yes, rich people are at fault, but I think the blame lies more closely with human nature and our inability to see the consequences of our actions.
>>71640412
>Have you considered that the reason you are poor
It's because i was born in a lower middle class. And i am a student.
>who doesn't understand economics?
I also don't understand sociology. Couldn't care less.
>>71640567
> are willing to break the law
And not reinvest the money eared in the country, either do to smaller taxation, or by simple not investing
> I don't want to pay taxes either.
I don't want it to rain. But what i want has no meaning in a democracy.
>are willing to break the law
When i break the law i go to jail, get beaten and basically end my life. I just want the same to those fuckers. I want them to be the same on justice eyes
>>71639350
It does not matter. Wages still get pushed down to minimum wage because supply for labor increases well beyond demand.
Thats always been part of it, if you try to tax the wealthy too much they have the means and know how to avoid it. The poor don't pay much so it goes to the middle class.
>>71639118
LOL. Did you just describe capitalism?
>>71640661
>70% effective tax rate on corporations and the 1%
Source?
>30% on holdings in the market
Source?
>Everyone who could would leave the country with their massive wealth.
Tariffs
Probably better to tax 20% of some than 5% of a fuckload.
Tax evasion should be an executable offence though imo.
>>71640363
If you spent time hustling instead of hating maybe you could feed your kids too.
>>71641267
Aristocracy I think
>>71640234
>Don't tax their money so fucking much and they'll spend less trying to hide it
Or we could just close the tax havens and make them pay their fair share.
>>71640194
>Hyper taxing the wealth doesnt trickle down and they flee the country meaning less money from them than before .
That would be fine by me, driving the oligarchs out of the country would be quite high on my list of priorities and it would mean they cede political control to those who stay.
>>71641352
>Tariffs
So punish your poorest by making them pay more for their goods?
>>71639305
Good. Long overdue.
>>71641365
Wait a minute, switch that, reverse it.
Also, rich are probably going to try and avoid as much tax as possible regardless.
>>71638875
what? wait. holy. i cannot understand their reasoning.
>we should take things from the rich and give them to the poor
why? just tell me why?? why would some people be deprived of their right to property just because they happen to be rich???
aren't they already contributing through income-depending taxes?
>>71640649
Mainly anarchists and Black Bloc. Even then, when they show up it's rare.
Blacks just riot, they don't care about causes
>>71641150
>When i break the law i go to jail, get beaten and basically end my life. I just want the same to those fuckers. I want them to be the same on justice eyes
Oh, I agree with that partly. If you break the law, there should be a reaction same as for everyone, but we are talking about the principle. Nobody likes paying taxes, and the people who do are clearly delusional because it's like saying you like being stolen from.
>>71641430
>So punish your poorest by making them pay more for their goods?
Yes cos the freedom to buy mass manufactured chinese plastic shit is the only freedom capitalism has to offer. That's how bad it's got.
>>71641150
If I make money should I be allowed to do with it as I please as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else? Do I have a right to private property?
>>71641352
Prices would be so insanely high your head would spin, right around the time all the wealth flees the country. We would become New Venezuela within 5 years.
>>71641392
>driving the oligarchs out of the country would be quite high on my list of priorities and it would mean they cede political control to those who stay.
You realize """Oligarch""" is literally Businessmen right? You want to drive business from your country? I'm not one for trickle down economics but "FUCK DA RICH DUDELMAO WHAT DO THEY EVEN DO ANYWAY" is pretty fucking retarded.
>liberals being surprised people want to keep their money and not have it go to the government who will mismanage it
>liberals actually believe "trickle down" economics was ever a thing and not something they made up
>mfw there are more public libraries, parks and museums from Gilded Age rich folk donating their money than created by the government
>>71641090
>be starving, or having a kid and a rent
>apply for job
>boss pays you scraps because you are desperate and need any sort of income
>boss then fires you because he can
When, and if, some of you guys enter the real world, you will get beaten badly
>>71641483
>because they happen to be rich??
Yup, just happens by accident, they were minding their own business and all of a sudden the majority of the world's resources and captial came under their control!
>>71639985
somebody gotta pay for all dem programs
>>71641528
>wealth is bad
what
>>71640266
>>71640735
If I could, I would take that money, say fuck college and start a business instead.
There was some millionaire that was paying people not to go to college and try to be an entrepreneur
>>71641469
Please no.
My workplace would be unsustainable within 6 months if my fellow workers became the owners of it.
>>71641605
If you're starving, have a kid, and can't afford rent, you're just retarded.
>>71639542
that't not the function at all.....
the "trickling down" refers to artificial monetary supply created through consumption that only the wealthy can do.
why is canada so retarded that they don't know a fundamental function of literally every economic system in the world?
>>71639267
Rich people start or re-invest into companies that hire more poorfags
>>71641589
>liberals actually believe "trickle down" economics was ever a thing and not something they made up
Cmon famalam, no need for revisionism.
"Supply side economics" in which an increase of supply (less taxes on the wealthy / business owners allowing them to put more money into their business) would drive down prices / increase the standard of living and thus 'trickle positive effects down' was central to 80s republican economic theory.
>>71641528
And you know, everything that came out of that. Like for instance a wider consumer base for shit like cell phones, more money spent on them, more of that money going to R&D of commercializing new tech, more people to use things like the internet, excess money to spend on it, more jobs created because of it...
Point is, you're an idiot. Maybe try reading about basic economics, bud.
>>71641469
>long overdue
You can go move to Borth Korea tomorrow if you're impatient.
>>71641624
so is it jealousy then?
>>71638875
Obvios solution is to have an authoritarian government use its coercive powers to plunder the wealth and riches or the upper class elite in order to "fairly" distribute it out to the rest of us.
I couldn't care less about some richfag offshoring their accounts. If I was rich, I would do it to. You would too. And, above all, Redditfags would double down and probably move to the Cayman Islands or some shit. The answer is never more taxes and more government control.
t. Poorfag
>>71641589
>>liberals actually believe "trickle down" economics was ever a thing and not something they made up
Its actually just a rebranding of a function that inherently happens within any economic system ever created.
>>71641267
Yes, but they are to stupid to understand.
They think that people asking for bread because they can't find work is "plunder"
>>71641430
What is the point of having cheap goods if there is no wealth going to lower classses to buy them?
>>71641469
Are you actually and unironically communist?
Jesus fucking christ this Bernie meme is ruining people. The rules are simple.
Get good = get money - take the time to not such a pos cuckold that does nothing but Facebook and Bernie call centers while you gender fluid wife goes out with her bf while you watch her son.
Do something and get really fucking good at it and go into stem with said skill then learn to manage your money or the market's money. You will make it.
People want have this attitude in first world nations that they need everything handed to them. First off, nope I'm glad they hide their money they either had to bust their ass for or duped your retarded ass to give it them. Second, if your not good enough in life and assume your owed because you're too lazy to have any input?
Drink bleach and die because you are hindering society.
>>71638875
>reddit revolutionaries
kek
>>71641585
>You realize """Oligarch""" is literally Businessmen right?
no it isn't.
For example the largest private landowner in Britain is the Duke of Westminster, who is by no stretch of the imagination a businessman, and who inherited vast amounts of land and capital which he draws rental income from. They're parasitic rentier scum who don't provide goods or services that you would associate with most capitalist businesses, and taking their loot off them and putting it to productive ends would solve many of the social and economic problems our society faces.
>You want to drive business from your country?
I'm a socialist. I'm against capitalism. I want to reduce the opportunity for private captial accumulation as much as possible, depriving the capital-owning class of income and wealth and draining it's political power away, in favour of working class people.
If they want to leave they're welcome to, but they'll leave behind their property and their assetts, since we'll have no alternative bu7t to nationalise it to prevent the oligarchs assett-stripping the nation's resources.
>>71641701
>My workplace would be unsustainable within 6 months if my fellow workers became the owners of it.
Why?
Do you enjoy the taste of Bosses Boot?
>>71641605
>Having kids when you're already struggling to cover rent and living costs
Are you clinically retarded?
>>71638875
Russian Revolution flashbacks are kicking in
>>71641352
Look up sandbergs tax policy you fucking mong. Do you need to get spoon fed?
>i was for his tax policy hurr durr look no increase on income taxes under 200k derp
>what does effective tax rate mean im so dumb LOL
>yea sanders is the only one who can run this country her dep derp
>>71642013
>I'm a socialist.
Why has every large scale socialist experiment failed? Is it the filthy bourgeois? Even the 'positive examples' are still fairly rooted in market 'socialism' aka Capitalism.
>>71641900
Goods get cheaper and cheaper so the purchasing power increases even if the true salary stays the same, at least in theory. The poor love better today than they did in the 1980s even though their wages are the same.
>>71641520
>Nobody likes paying taxes
Of course, but yet we still do.
>and the people who do are clearly delusional because it's like saying you like being stolen from.
Norway is the kind of place i could be happier to pay taxes. Every story i hear of your country is good.
>>71641557
>Do I have a right to private property?
Yes
>If I make money should I be allowed to do with it as I please as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else?
Yes, but first you have to put back some of it to the society in general that allowed to be rich. What would be the bacnks without the gov garanteing currency? What would happen to transportation companies withouth gov roads?
>>71641565
>Prices would be so insanely high
No they wouldn't. Especially in USA. You guys still have industry and natural resources.
>>71641793
>Maybe try reading about basic economics, bud.
Hasn't the west had 30 or so years of consistent wage suppression for working people?
Doesn't sound like the current neo-liberal globalisation is really something that exists to benefit working people of any nation when you look at the data.
>>71641900
>Are you actually and unironically communist?
Yes I'm a communist.
>>71642013
Aristocrats should be shot.
Yes goy you need to make the government that is bought and paid for by the 1% to force the 1% to redistribute their wealth.
>"The wealthy will create jobs and the wealth will trickle down!"
>Business owners export jobs and labor to shitholes of the world to cut labor costs
>"You're just not working hard enough. You should have to compete with chinese children and illegal immigrants working for one bowl of rice a day if you really want a job"
>>71641589
>go to the government who will mismanage it
Like the banks did in '08?
>>71641653
And i wish you good luck with that.
>>71641751
>If you're starving
A manner of speach
> have a kid
The most natural thing a man and a woman can make. I can't really deep in my heart blame anyone for having a kid (Except those with genetical diseases with high risking of passing it)
>and can't afford rent
It's pretty common. If you get out in to the real world yyou will know it
>>71642199
If anyone could do it, it would be huge countries with vast resources and industry like China or the US. However, free trade is still preferable in the long term. Having a large economy/resource base of your own just offsets the damage. There are goods we need China for, like rare earth minerals. Prices will increase, and wages will not increase for the most part. We're talking a 10-15% mark up on most goods easily for a few hundred thousand jobs.
>>71642245
Don't worry, we can fix that.
>>71640716
the whole point of the thread is to point out how ridiculous and ledittian that was. why dont you grab a piece of shit and put it in your mouth and shut it and sew it and fuck offf.
Til in this thread: people that live under capitalism love socialism, people that live under socialism love capitalism.
Want a good life? Get good at it.
>>71642084
Because they have no experience what-so-ever in the multitude of skills required to operate a place of production.
Furthermore, most of them are there solely for the reason that these skills are beyond their level of intellect.
>>71642157
Yes
>>71642177
>The poor love better today
Source? I always keep seying here that today people are much more impoverished. It's true in my country
>>71642245
Communist or socialist? What thinker do you agree most? What do you think of borders?
>>71638875
>if you own a business, advertise a job opening, hire someone, pay them, and make money off of them then you are literally a slave owner
I'd like to see these berniggers survive in China.
>>71642445
>The most natural thing a man and a woman can make.
A COUPLE should have a kid, not just the woman. Same with a job and paying rent
>post yfw you find out that the highest tax bracket paid over 70% of all collected taxes in the us in 2010
>>71642407
>You need a strong handshake
>You are just entitled to want more then 9dollars an hour for over 40 hour work weeks
>You see, i...
>>71642166
>Why has every large scale socialist experiment failed?
This is a meme. Failed on whose terms? Failed who? The Soviet Union collapsed, but socialism existed for hundreds of years before 1917 and continues to exist decades after the wall came down. Even in the Soviet Union, which I simply regard as an early failed attempt at socialism in deeply unfavourable circumstances, managed to turn a backward and provincial failed state and collapsed empire into a military and economic superpower within a single generation - it's collapse owed more to the events in Eastern Europe and Afghanistan than it did inherent failure of socialist economics. Same's true of China under the rule of the Communist Party btw.
The filthy bourgeoisie fear socialism succeeding, not socialism failing, cos socialism is a threat to their power.
I would argue capitalism fails for those who don't own capital, you could point to the billions of people in the world at risk of starvation and deprivation in spite of the fact we have enough material resources available to totally abolish poverty on a global scale if those resources were distributed properly. You can point to the aggressive redistribution of wealth away from the general population into the hands of a tiny elite, who number perhaps in the hundreds, but who own and control more wealth than the bottom 3.2billion people on earth combined. I would call the emergence of this ultra-rich elite, who are in perpetual power and can pass down their enormous sums of wealth to their kids, thereby recreating a form of neo-feudalism of hereditary wealth, a product of capitalism's failure.
It's also worth pointing out here that the early attempts to introduce captialist style economics in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries were all unmitigated disasters that were crushed by the feudal aristocracy, and that never deterred them, so I take inspiration from my capitalist forebears and keep plugging away until we win.
>>71642475
>Prices will increase, and wages will not increase for the most part.
It would stop the outsourcing of jobs you retard.
>for a few hundred thousand jobs.
kek
>>71642199
>Norway is the kind of place i could be happier to pay taxes. Every story i hear of your country is good.
Be careful taking rumors to heart. This country is a leftist circlejerk, but taking your tripfag name into account, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with that.
>>71640882
>Rich people making richer other rich people
>>71641483
The idea behind it is since the wealthiest of the wealthy are able to control the outcome of elections (Hilary is the most relevant example) and laws, they are able to create a law system that unjustly fairs them. It would be comparable to the serf system of old Europe, where the monarch who controls the wealth also controls the laws
They are simply against the olagarchy that is currently in place, and this is the simple solution they came up with.
>>71642212
>drop any link to silver or gold standard
>suddenly worker wages are getting fucked
>>71642668
Marx and Engels, obviously. The political tradition I come from is basically the workers movement in Britain, the left-wing of the Labour party and ILP. Main political influences are Ralph Miliband, EP Thompson, much of the British New Left, post-Bennite stuff.
What about borders? I'm in favour of no borders but I see that as a state of affairs that will arrive gradually over time as the nation-state system withers away and dies, not something you can impose unilaterally. The sort of political settlements that borders were created by are coming undone so we'll see that gradually phase out, I have no doubt by the end of the century that borders will be mainly theoretical and free movement of people will be a reality, since the scale of immigration that's going to happen in the next 30 or 40 years (just in order for capitalism to function) is going to be way beyond the ability of any state to regulate.
>>71642736
I'm not implying it's a single mother. But even if she is, i want her to be able to feed her kid.
I don't like seing my countrymen being kicked by fucking globalists so they can hide "their" money in offshores
>>71642818
They ignore the SU sucesses, and the huge growth after Mao was pushed from power by the party elites
>captialist style economics in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries
Like who? Are you talking about netherlands?
>>71640211
>People starving because they can't have jobs
>can't have
Who is preventing you from working for rich people? They would very much like to pay you minimum wage for providing hundreds of dollars of labor every day.
>>71643192
This has to be bait.
>>71638875
these retards are so close to being right but for the wrong reasons. They are literally saying the rich should give their money to the government who will distribute it. The fucking leaders and government ARE the ones with the money, they are the upper class. They are the ones who don't want it distributed. They are the ones who make laws that allow companies to operate overseas and import their goods with little to no repercussion because they are bought off by those companies.
>>71638875
>Costs trickle down, wealth does not
So in other words: trickle down economics work. If more and more people are able to afford a more luxurious, then does it even matter if there is a wealth gap?
>>71639397
>so lets raise taxes on the money which isn't in America
Aint that's Trump's plan?
>>71640665
>Say no bullshit Robin Hood Socialism
>Completely 180 and advocate Robin Hood Socialism
How are you intelligent enough to breathe on your own?
>>71643265
Why would they pay me minimum wage when they can outsource the labor to Rhasheed Incorporated overseas for a fraction of the cost and without all those pesky "workers rights?"
>>71643045
>sjwatch
>>71640665
>>71643341
>Robin Hood socialism
What is this retardism? You are aware that Robin Hood stole money from the King and give to the people right?
I.e he took back the money that THE STATE had already taken from the people and gave it back.
What a horseshit analogy.
>>71643286
>This has to be bait.
Nope, sadly it's sincere.
You think you have immigrants now? Have you seen the population demographics for Africa and the Middle-East? By the end of the century a country like say Nigeria is going to have the same population as the USA and Europe combined. The percentage of the world which is white and 1st world is declining rapidly. This causes great angst amonst people on here, I know I lurk here enough to see it. The processes driving it are nothing to do with the left but the needs of global capital, which wants a "free" market in human labour so it can reduce labour costs and maintain high profits and rate of return on capital investments.
>>71638875
Even though I'm a liberal arts college student and I've never had a real job, the Jews have literally stolen my wealth from me in the form of low wages and other Jewish tricks.
We need to destroy white males for all the terrible things jews ate doing to us!
>>71643340
>does it even matter if there is a wealth gap
Thatcher nailed it with they would rather the poor were poorer, so long as the rich were less rich.
>>71643341
I said "no bullshit, robin hood, socialism"
but missed out the comma. I'm in favour of "no bullshit" robin hood style socialism.
>>71643500
see above
>>71643265
Unemployement is on the rise. And automatation will hits us harder in a few years
>They would very much like to pay you minimum wage for providing hundreds of dollars of labor every day.
Can't know if this is irony or not
>>71643312
you dont get it, he said that to not seem controversial but he really wants that money for himself. people that have realized their skills and life is worthless pretty much enter in a state of despair and this is one of its manifestations, gibsmedats. despair and envy is the first phase of socialism and its foundations, not the will to work collectively to make your cunt a great place
>>71643624
>Thatcher nailed it with they would rather the poor were poorer
Well the poor are much poorer thanks to 30 years worth of neo-liberalism - the share of wealth going to those who work for a living has declined hugely when comapred to labour productivity.
On the other hand those who accumulate wealth via non-working means, ownership, rental income, property investments etc, have seen their share of the national wealth increase hugely, leading to the record breaking levels of inequality we currently have and also playing an important role in destablising the wider economy and leaving it vulnerable to crises and shocks.
>>71643548
You've forgotten that many of them don't work anyway.
End the welfare state.
Then there's no need for an ever expanding work force to support the ever expanding elderly who are 'entitled' to state support.
Low IQ third worlders who are not skilled enough to work will not come here because they cannot survive.
>>71643703
What would help is not letting illegal immigrants de-value cheap labor that isn't automated.
Also minimum wage shouldn't be a permanent sustainable source of money.
>>71643340
>So in other words: trickle down economics work.
No you fucking retard. Costs trickle down as in the costs for society to function are each time being supported by the middle and lower class
For a board with so many economic sages, it's a wonder that posts like this exist
>>71643832
None of this shit is true at all.
I mean one of the huge causes of the financial collapse in 2008 was because the government had mandated that banks issue loans to people that didn't have nearly enough credit to cope with that loan, thus causing a housing bubble which inevitably would collapse.
If you think giving loans to people who can't pay for them is "neo-liberalism" you're fucking retarded.
>>71641469
Please start one, It will give way to the fascist revolution where we finally put people like you in mass graves where you belong.
>>71639350
Most of them end up being in neighbourhoods that are way behind the norm, like your ghettos. These people get welfare.. and vote for more welfare.
Do you see?
>>71643897
>End the welfare state.
Nope, many millions of people depend on it to survive, and I value human life.
>>71643897
>Then there's no need for an ever expanding work force to support the ever expanding elderly who are 'entitled' to state support.
I'm not in favour of leaving the elderly to die in the streets. I'm into universal human dignity.
You take your EdgeLord Nihilism and run for election on that premise, and I'll counter it with the "We respect human life and dignity" position, which granted isn't quite as Edgy or Misanthropic as your point of view, but it's one that doesn't implicitly depend upon mass death and suffering and I reckon I could do quite well against you in any poll or election.
I just hope the mainstream right gets more and more colonised by the alt-right cos the edgier you guys get the easier it is for us to win.
>>71638875
People still believe in the Trickle-Jew-Down economics?
>>71643963
>is not letting illegal immigrants de-value cheap labor that isn't automated.
Yes, but who do you think his oushing for unrestricted immigration?
>>71644060
>None of this shit is true at all.
Yes it is, you're just in denial cos you're a tribal supporter of capitalism, even when capitalism is failing.
>>71644250
>Yes, but who do you think his oushing for unrestricted immigration?
Liberals with white guilt mostly.
>>71644160
> and vote for more welfare.
When was the last time a politician followed trought with his campaign promises?
>>71644392
Never, but you have to remember that these people border on retarded.
>>71644340
Capitalism isn't failing at all. A boom and bust cycle isn't capitalism "failing".
Are you really that surprised that when technology continuously gets more and more sophisticated, rich people make more money? I mean, not even you can be that stupid.
>>71644369
>Liberals with white guilt mostly.
Where they the ones that signed the 1965 act? You are so fucking stupid and brainwashed by GOP.
"Libruls" are just stupid idiots that took to heart the propaganda provided by elites so we allow filthy niggers and muslims to our countries.
But don't think the cuckservatives are any better
>>71644223
>Nope, many millions of people depend on it to survive, and I value human life.
It must even eventually.
By perpetuating it you are only furthering the dependence and mounting the death toll for when it must stop.
An act of kindness now can become an act of much greater cruelty in the future.
>I'm not in favour of leaving the elderly to die in the streets.
They must learn to save and become self-sufficient in their old age.
They have been left in this vulnerable position because of the very policies you promote.
Do you think none of them have friends or families to support them? Do you think no communities will step up to help them? You place all your faith in the evidently incompetent governments but none in humanity at all.
I can't reply after this post as I have to go back to work.
>>71644549
>Never, but you have to remember that these people border on retarded.
Yes, but the "argument" that democracy fails because people can vote for more welfare is flawed because politicians never follow trought with their promises, at least not all of them
>>71639985
Why did that gif make me laugh?
>>71642199
So I have a right to my property. How would I give back to the community though for all this wealth I accumulated? Could I perhaps give a percent of my earnings to the federal government? That would be giving back and funding programs that would help poorer people.
Compared to someone I hired, how much should I pay in taxes? I provided this man a job, so shouldn't he be paying me directly according to your logic? I am the sole member of society who provided him his means of income. Should he pay taxes to me directly, or to the feds, and how much more than me?
>>71644584
>Capitalism isn't failing at all
Denial.
You've got several stages of grief to get through, I won't disturb you.
>>71644584
>Are you really that surprised that when technology continuously gets more and more sophisticated, rich people make more money?
Why do the under-educated simpletons to lick the boots of capitalism always treat technology and capitalism as synonyms.
Technology that's designed in a capitalist economy will serve the interests of the dominant class - the capitalists. It will increase their wealth, that's what they design it to do. See as evidence the two pics I've linked to showing how the increase in Labour productivity has corresponded with a) a decline in the share of wages as GDP and b) a corresponding increase in corporate profits.
In a socialist society technology would be developed.
Technology is not some politically neutral process, it's something shaped and developed in accordance with political and economic pressures.
Real life is not a computer game, and you don't unlock items on your tech-tree over time.
There's such fear within people like you, like this yearning for a fixed, constant, rigid society where everyone knows their place, everyone has exactly the same monoculture, and any deviation from this provokes wails of angst and loathing.
Honestly I just feel bad for you guys, I wish you'd have had friends like me growing up instead of having to come to places like this.
>>71644620
>It must even eventually.
>By perpetuating it you are only furthering the dependence and mounting the death toll for when it must stop.
>An act of kindness now can become an act of much greater cruelty in the future.
Is this your emo poetry?
It sounds very edgy and brooding, but politically its just nonsense.
>>71644620
>They must learn to save and become self-sufficient in their old age.
By selling their labour on the capitalist market place until they drop dead? Sounds like a lovely society, I'm sure you and your fellow edgelords will be right into it.
>>71644620
>Do you think no communities will step up to help them?
What, you mean by creating a pension system and welfare state?
>>71644584
>A boom and bust cycle isn't capitalism "failing".
Yes it is. I don't want a car tthat only works 5 days a week, and especially one that breaks my hands when it's not working.
>Are you really that surprised that when technology continuously gets more and more sophisticated, rich people make more money?
I just want that some of it gets distributed back to the society, nothing more
>>71645093
>There's such fear within people like you, like this yearning for a fixed, constant, rigid society where everyone knows their place, everyone has exactly the same monoculture, and any deviation from this provokes wails of angst and loathing.
>Honestly I just feel bad for you guys, I wish you'd have had friends like me growing up instead of having to come to places like this.
That's a lot of projection in one post you smug self-serving leftist hack.
>>71639267
>jobs
Yeah right. More like they'll outsource those to chinks or niggers who will work for $1 a week and not buy anything but maybe food.
The trickle down effect would work if we closed the borders.
Solution: close the fucking borders! Trump has the right idea there It will also solve the problem of widespread mudslime immigration. 2 birds 1 stone
>>71644978
>So I have a right to my property. How would I give back to the community though for all this wealth I accumulated? Could I perhaps give a percent of my earnings to the federal government? That would be giving back and funding programs that would help poorer people.
yes
>Compared to someone I hired, how much should I pay in taxes?
debateble
> I provided this man a job, so shouldn't he be paying me directly according to your logic?
Yes, if you payed for that man education, payed for the roads he uses, payed for gov bearicracy, payed for that man policement....
>>71645093
What is your stance on multiculturalism?
>>71644716
It's not flawed, because they'll always vote for more welfare. If they vote anything else, they vote for something that's nationalistic or very right winged which is obviously not good for the immigrants, so they'll always vote pro-welfare parties (The left).
This is why the whole left-right divide and conquer strategy politicians use is extremely effective at the moment.
Look at my country for example, you got the left, and you got Wilders. That's it. (And I do seriously think that Wilders is controlled opposition.)
>>71638875
This guy has clearly never worked a day in his life.
>wageslave
Oh yeah he's a total NEET
>>71645211
>a welfare state can last forever
If you think that a dwindling white American and European population can support billions of third world immigrants indefinitely you are delusional.
