Let's have an EU referendum discussion. I don't know where I stand on it, let's share opinions
>>71618883
>UK leaves EU
>If they ever want to return, they will need to renegotiate and lost many current benefits
or
>UK stays in EU
>can hold referendum to leave at any time
>maintain current powers and exceptions
Leaving the EU right now would be dumb.
You don't need political union to make trade deals.
EU law overrides British law everytime.
Immigration is shit.
>>71618962
Actually if Britain leaves the EU then we can invoke article 50 and ask for whatever we want.
>inb4 a bunch of krauts call us eternal anglo for wanting to leave.
do you want to be a cuck to europe or an independent nation?
Posted this in another thread, there's been a 1.8% swing to remain in the past few days. Looks like remain is winning
>>71619261
Polls are not intended to gauge opinion. Just to influence it.
>>71619261
Look at the Scottish referendum
They had an average of 5% difference
Dont put all your faith into one poll
>>71619261
>remain turnout higher
What
>>71619261
>still looking at the polls after the clusterfuck that was the Scottish Indy ref and the General Election
Like the General Election I am completely ignoring them, in my own personal experience I know far more "Out" voters than in and I can tell you my circle of friends aren't all 80 year old Tory voters. Quite a number of them are hip trendy Corbynites who are voting like their idol would (they even sympathise with his reversal on his stance publicly because they think he's being held hostage by the main party).
I did the same at the General, knew far more "shy Tories" that I called a slim (5 seat) Tory majority when everyone was banging on about another coalition. As it is I still think the ball is in Out's court, they just have to motivate the undecideds
>>71618883
Boris calls Coonmander in chief Obongo a hypocrite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnazJEGLd6M
We gotta leave, we need our own country and culture all these economic arguments are just a cowardly distraction
Out voters = High energy, passionate, want to see their nation independent and strong again
Remain voters = passive, will probably stay in if it rains on polling day.
>>71618883
The EU was originally the EEC (European Economic Area) and was sold to the people as a common market agreement. It was a purely economic arrangement. Over the years, and with many more treaties, it's grown into a de facto federal state. The next treaty will pretty much turn it into an official state with the Germans now merging European militaries under a central EU control. Police will also be centrally controlled.
They want to further expand their power into insolvency law, company law, and a slew of other new sectors. You can read about it in the five presidents report released by the European Commission itself - they openly admit that the goal is a creation of a federal state. A United States of Europe.
https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/publications/five-presidents-report-completing-europes-economic-and-monetary-union_en
On the EU Commission, this is the body which is actually in charge in the EU. They have the power of both an executive and a legislative branch, and they are unelected. No new law can be created, nor repealed, without the agreement of the Commission which has a monopoly over all but a tiny fraction of EU law. That law is superior to the laws made by elected governments of member states, the Commission can fine states for non-compliance and the European Court of Justice is superior to all courts in member states.
If you want to live in a completely undemocratic federal republic headed by Germany - vote to stay. If you'd prefer to have some democratic control over your country, vote to leave and just have a fucking trade treaty like the EEC was meant to be in the beginning.
>>71618883
Wait until Turkey joins and then mama Merkel gives all the rapefugees in Germoney EU passports we will have a wave of shit skins allowed to travel freely to our country for some free money and ficki ficki
>>71620107
Out voters - Hard working struggling young people
In voters - Rich old people, we safer in EU because of
>Muh WW2
>>71618883
>I don't know where I stand on it
So, you don't know where you stand on being ruled by a foreign dictatorship?
Even without going into all the benefits of leaving, isn't it obvious to you that being ruled by the EU is not a good thing?
>>71618883
Remain
>Stabilised pound
>Laws are not made by British lawmakers
>Level of immigration stays the same
Leave
>Pound will drop due to uncertainty
>Laws made by British lawmakers
>Level of immigration drops
>France forces British Border controls off French soil, new plans must be made to secure borders
I'll be voting leave, London isn't even British anymore. Too many fucking foreigners.
Come back to the family.
We have jetpacks.
>>71618883
britain should leave so the aryan race can properly dominate it and turn it into an agrarian colony for growing potatoes. filthy anglo subhumans have no place in a union for europeans
>>71620226
EU isn't working.
>>71620394
I see the UK is like the granddad of the Anglosphere who got convinced to join a nice retirement home but was actually full of sycophant german kikes
>>71620347
>France forces British Border controls off French soil, new plans must be made to secure borders
How do the French expect to move the jungle over the channel? We have a natural boarder. Short of them ferrying them over and causing us to set up a fucking naval blockade, they're stuck with that mess provided we don't let them cross.
Leave the EU, embrace the commonwealth.
Kiwis and Aussies of English decent should not have to wait in mile long lines to enter Britain while mudslimes and turkroaches waltz through
>>71620394
Sounds fun
>>71618962
It's going to get harder and harder to leave, especially with the level of indoctrination in our universities and schools. Kids are literally taught the EU stops war between France and Germany.
>>71619685
Meaning that people who want to stay will go to vote to stay alot more that their "leave" counterparts will.
>>71618962
This is probably their only shot. Every year they fill up with more migrants who will be voting remain so the rest of their family/village can join them
>>71620347
>France forces British Border controls off French soil, new plans must be made to secure borders
Not correct. The agreement is bilateral between the UK and France. It's is not part of any EU agreement. France will still be bound by the agreement in the event of Brexit.
>>71620704
Leave voters are generally more motivated and older so it's clearly bullshit
>>71620662
Don't worry there will be another terror attack between now and the ref that will swing people back over to leave
I want to leave the eu,it's a fucking joke.
Can we have a open migration between the commonwealth countries instead? Only applicable to English speakers and whites obviously
>>71620516
>>71620785
British police will be forced off, the french have already stated this.
Then the french police will just look the other way, kind of like how border forces in certain european countries actively prevent refugees from entering, but on the other side they let them freely walk into another country because they don't want them there.
Same with France, they don't want the Jungle in Calais at all and will jsut turn a blind eye to them hopping on trucks.
>>71620421
>no porn
Has to be the funniest meme insult ever. Same with the TV license.
>>71620704
Not true
>>71620841
But we'll still have controls our side, and we can just deport everyone caught back to France legally.
>>71620841
Hollande made a threat, with Dave smiling beside him, to tear up the agreement, but why would they do that, since there's twenty miles of water between us.
>>71620841
That's a declaration of war.
>>71620967
Hollande will be voted out by the time Brexit has happened, so will Merkel and Cameron.
God these 3 have to be the worst leaders Europe has ever seen.
>>71620967
For exactly the reason I just stated, they'll allow the refugees to simply climb onto lorries heading to the UK, we cannot stop them all from getting in and it would be costly to ship them back.
>>71620967
Further to this, if we leave the EU then we are able to do what the Australians do, which was to say "fuck off, you are not getting in", in which case the economic migrants know that they won't get in in which case they won't try.
>>71621023
I'm willing to fight if needs be.
>>71618883
Id only want to leave the EU if we have a republic style document like America and have representative voting so people get what they want in a government. Without that we might as well keep the EU to keep the Tories in place.
>>71620809
>>71620809
I agree, but that seems to be what it's saying. The alternative is that most undecided people will vote stay.
>>71620841
They only come here because they have the incentive of housing and benefits provided to them under EU rules,if we have control we can tell illegals they won't be entitled to anything.
>>71621048
What utter shit. The immigrants are already lining up to try to get onto the lorries as it is. What's currectly stopping the migrants getting onto the lorries is the lorry drivers, not the French.
>>71621155
t. jeremy corbyn.
How is a neutered government representative you fuck?
>>71618883
>Britain leaves
>We're fucked because we don't even have a manufacturing base anymore
>We'll be living in the dark because we won't be able to afford to pay China to build us that Nuclear Power Plant
>Even then, the Tories will outright refuse nationalisation and Britain will continue to be fucked for 4 long years until Corbyn wins by a landslide in the 2020 election
>Britain remains in the EU
>Still get fucked because we'll be forced to take in more refugees
>Fucked even more once the ECB goes bankrupt trying to bail out Greece....AGAIN
>Default of Greece will spread like contagion on other EU countries with large fiscal deficits.
>Complete fucking implosion of EU
>Far right parties come to power
>Its the 1930s all over again
>>71620967
>>71621087
Set up an aussie style camp on one of the uninhabited hebrides or channel islands
>>71621155
>keep the Tories in place
The Tories are the current root of our problems, you fool.
>>71621191
Well said m8
>>71618883
last throw of the dice for the UK in my opinion.
If you fail to vote for leave then they are going to ram so much shit from the EU down your throat you may as well forget about independence.
There's a lot of speculation and, short-term, I think there will be negative economic consequences. However the issue of sovereignty and having our laws made by unelected, unaccountable officials is a red line for me so I'm voting Out.
>>71621376
>Day after in vote
>Turkey to join in 2018
>EU army set up by 2020, national armies abolished
>>71621382
>muh money
I hate seeing people voting in for this reason. They're the sort of cowards who'd sell their children for some new shoes.
>>71621376
Thats how it feels, theres also the chance of our exit encouraging others like the Dutch and French to have a referendum and maybe break up the whole shitty union.
>>71618883
>tfw no Prince Philip as absolute monarch
>>71621476
Did you even read my post? I'm voting Out because of sovereignty issues, you troglodyte, not economics.
>>71618883
>Implying your vote will count.
Just like Greece, even in the unlikely scenario that the majority vote leave, the elites running the show wont allow it. Were all cucked, even Germany, the funder of this "Union"
>>71621500
Germany being left with Italy and Greece would be beautiful.
>>71618883
I seriously hope that one day the UK leaves the EU to one day uncuck themselves, which would in turn lead to the EU throwing sanctions at them.
Maybe at that point we can have a decent president, and the US, UK, Russia come together to root out and destroy those who would destroy us.
>UK leave EU
>Scotland leaves UK
>Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Cornwall start a celtic nation
>Scotland uses nukes to glass Saudi Londonia
>North of England welcomed into celtic nation
>Brittany taken back from the French
>Anti-muslim stronghold of Brittany wards off further kebab attempts
>>71621476
ive spoken to people complaining about how the cost of their EU air travel will go up if we leave makes me sick
>>71621534
I wasn't referring to you, lad. Calm the autism for just a second.
>>71621566
>the allies having to save the world from Germoney again
it's like pottery.
>>71618883
Leave the EU, execute the royal family.
The EU is a communist organization flooding europe with shitskins, the entire EU parliament (save for farage and fellow exiters) deserve to be execute for treason. Gog willing they will be.
The royal family are kike leeches who contribute fuck all to the country.
>>71621543
If we vote leave and they ignore it the eurosceptic Tories will crash the government with no survivors, force a new election and eurosceptics would win a majority due to FPTP.
>>71621653
I respected the royalty but they've literally overseen the murder of our ancient nation and they should be fucking punished for it.
>>71621603
Wales is as Eurosceptic as England
>>71621603
>implying you'll leave in a second referendum.
After we leave the EU we're going to sort you out, no EU human rights to protect you now Jocks.
>>71621695
>literally overseen
I think you mean watched from the sidelines while successive governments fuck our country over.
>>71621603
>Scotanon wakes up, realizes that his quasi-socialist economy can't actually support Nuclear Armaments and that the majority of his countrymen regularly and unironically vote SNP, probably 2nd only to greens in the cucked rankings
>>71621565
The only way Merkel will be stopped is when she runs out of money,she needs the big economies to fund the rapefugees without them the EU project is done for.
>>71621716
>English people can't stop their children from being raped by their MPs and their muslim invaders but believe they can stop an entire nation
Toppest of keks
>>71621653
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw
>>71621826
I would say pakis are raping girls in Glasgow but even goat fuckers have standards.
>>71621500
>>71621447
Pretty much lads.
One again Britain is all the stands in the way of German supremacy over the continent.
>>71621695
I feel the same.
The Queen is "likeable", but she has failed to protect us, assuming that is her job.
She should have called out the army to arrest parliament back in the 1970s when we were lied to about what the EEC really was.
>>71621748
hmmm no. They signed several of the laws eroding traditional values.
>>71621826
>implying Scotland isn't the most cucked liberal area of the U.K.
You're doing better in immigration because Glasgow is the only place in Scotland with electricity
>>71621938
>British Royalty having control of laws
What century do you think this is?
>>71621938
>implying the royals have any power to refuse assent
They haven't been able to do so for 300 years
>>71621934
She's female, not sure what I expected to be honest. She's a fucking memento and nothing else.
>>71621999
>signed Gay Marriage bill
>>71621999
not saying they do, but do they not still have alot of political clout. Do they not weigh in on controversial laws?
>>71621248
manufacturing jobs are shit jobs. they are low pay and high poluting, they need to stay in china. services are where the money is.
open up the electricity market and make private enterprise build their own stations and charge rates to compensate. the reason the system is shit now is because of too much government interference, adding more isn't going to fix it.
corbyn will never win anything because hes a fucking moron and so are all his supporters.
>>71621857
This argument is so fucking stupid it's insane.
If you seriously think so many people come to the UK as tourists JUST because of the royal family and the fucking crown on inanimate objects, you should be shot with all the pakis you dumb cunt.
>>71621934
this
he backbenching has kept the monarchs out of harms way, and away from revolutions, but she's done nothing BUT backbench and shit like that happen
>>71620662
>EU stops war
Gee they really did made Ukraine a peaceful settelment do they...
Europe is a lie, and the EU is just a big bullshit. I hope the brexit win. Spain can't leave the EU, they have chained us very well. Still I hope it hurts the EU so deep it actually destroys it at long-term, so countries like Spain can go back to a more nationalist politics.
>>71621938
They can't refuse Royal Assent in practice without delegitimising our entire democracy. They're a tourist attraction, not a serious part of the government. It's the people's fault for their apathy and allowing successive governments to allow this to go on for so long.
>>71621877
Jesus christ you almost seem proud that the muslims are raping your kids.
>>71621980
>cucked
How many muslim sex gangs are in Scotland?
Here is some from England:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Doublet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang
>>71621934
Look how much a stink Charles's letters cause. Imagine if the Royalty pulled something more public. Theres a reason what they do is done in small amounts and very quietly.
Libcucks can swing the favor in the way of republicanism very fast.
>>71621613
it can just as easily go down if we leave. if government policy is to reduce air travel they can cut tax on fuel and airports and it will be cheaper than it is now.
>>71622146
Do you even know how populations work?
Scotland has the same population as fucking yorkshire.
>>71622078
Very rarely. They are expected to remain impartial. The only instance I know of the queen using veto was when they tried to take away her power to declare war and give it to parliament.
>>71622042
You think the royalty signing a law means they had influence on its discussion and implementation.
>>71622078
They are symbolic.
Also the Queen hates the idea of Europe and what has happened to the country. If she had power we wouldn't be in this mess.
>>71621221
A republic document is in place to set the standard that cannot be changed. It means that elections arent mob rules and stops tyrannical leadders who are charismatic getting into power.
The difference between in and out is that we get to make our own decisions- and become responsible for them.
in: EU trade
out: commonwealth trade
in: EU rights
out: UK rights
I can't believe how many times I see "rights" and "farming subsidies" being tossed around without dipshits considering that we can easy make local replacements for those- and better tailor them to our specific economy
>>71621295
And what do you suggest the solution is? comrade corbyn?
>>71622042
>signing bills they have no actual way to refuse without the monarchy being quickly abolished
>>71622304
Constitutions never work. Jews always find a way to amend them.
>>71620837
revamp the empire baby
>>71621826
The SNP are trying their hardest to turn Scotland into Sweden
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3366575/Senseless-Syrian-refugees-foisted-remote-Scottish-island-high-unemployment-poverty-given-perks-locals-don-t-enjoy.html
>>71618883
Ireland is in talks of joining the uk in this leave, which i am surprisingly for.
>>71622239
>but but only a small percentage of muslims are raping our children
Wow.
No wonder England is a fucking hellhole. No percentage of the population should be muslim paedophiles.
Your country is full of muslims raping your kids and then MPs taking what's left and your response is "but scotland is like bad because of like memes and stuff".
England will fall to Muslims soon. London is already less than 50% white British.
>>71622341
Funny how its only us two and the Jews that dont have them then isnt it.
>>71622333
this
Tories are fucking us over, but at least they're not fucking us up
>>71621999
The royalty probably have more powers than you'd expect both officially and in terms of influence. For example in a hung parliament if no deal was arranged the Queen could invite a Prime Minster to form a Parliament. They also have a lot of leverage with the High Court (they managed to keep the Diana fiasco under reasonable wraps).
>>71622090
What do tourists see in London? Toiwer of London/Buckingham Palace/Pall Mall/ British museum (much of it is funded and donated by the Royal family) and the Victoria and Albert. Pretty much any African/Colonial country are obsessed with the British Monarchy.
>>71622080
Manufacturing jobs aren't all shit paying jobs.
making chain links by hand is something you want outsource to China but making complex pieces of machinery is something you want to keep at home.
>>71622415
isn't everyone?
UK out = Ireland, Poland, Netherlands..... all out
>>71622272
She's also against the gay marriage.
>>71622341
Its tragic but we need freedom of speech and the right to own guns so we can get rid of this scum that has ruined our land.
>>71622415
It's a domino effect. Amazing.
CRASHING THIS EU WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>71622432
>What do tourists see in London?
Their family.
>>71622505
Ive always been a massive republican, along with my family and associates, but when you look at this in the bigger picture, the eu fucked us harder then the uk ever did in history
>>71622432
not just that, but every damn law goes through the Monarch.
Queenie doesn't use that power;
but don't be surprised if it stops any "enslave brits" laws
>implying lords doesn't already clear that up
>>71622333
>comrade corbyn?
Don't be an idiot.
Seeing the Tories for what they are, which is bscailly Nu Labour all over again, doesn't mean that a person must upport Corbyn, or Labour for that matter.
>>71622507
I know, I don't agree with her on that though.
>>71622577
you remind me of Africa when the Chinese arrived
>>71622545
Also made Google.
>>71621826
>scottish people pretending they can exist without leeching benefits from England's economy
all we lose by you kilted fucks gaining independence is oil, in the long term we will safe it because we wont have to support a whole country of fat unemployed cunts
I wish Spain left. The EU is all about controlling the lives of a bunch of people. if you don't think big gobernment is shit, look at the EU.
>>71622581
>he voted Lib Dem
>>71621275
Isle of Wight Detention centre
>>71622581
Leaving the EU would stop the Tories from trying to copy new Labour policies.
I want a center right government, not a fucking Blairite one.
>>71622620
For or against Catalan independence bro?
>>71622652
I know of a guy who found Saint Helena to be inviting.
>>71622618
>i'll ignore all the facts and statistics about muslims raping my children and spout off some memes
Doesn't surprise me. England is dying and it's England's fault.
Let me just post the list of Muslim rape gangs in England again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Doublet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang
>>71622652
When does Ukraine enter the EU?
>>71622618
>mfw there's more oil under Gatwick than the entire North Sea
Once the Saudis stop buttfucking the market we'll be rich.
>>71622624
Haha, you dumb twat.
King Farage is the way forward, for now.
I've voted UKIP in every election I've been able to vote in.
>>71622749
yeah but that's only because it's illegal to arrest criminals in scotland
>>71622581
An idiot? he is a socialist. Thats one step away from a communist.
>>71622770
fair enough, brother. Voted to Nige myself.
Unfortunately, John Redwood has too strong a hold. He didn't even campaign and he won.
>>71622749
hello kilt retard you are the people who are voting In in June, we want to fucking leave but you are too busy crying about muh benefits
>>71618883
>The EU was originally the EEC (European Economic Area) and was sold to the people as a common market agreement. It was a purely economic arrangement. Over the years, and with many more treaties, it's grown into a de facto federal state. The next treaty will pretty much turn it into an official state with the Germans now merging European militaries under a central EU control. Police will also be centrally controlled.
>They want to further expand their power into insolvency law, company law, and a slew of other new sectors. You can read about it in the five presidents report released by the European Commission itself - they openly admit that the goal is a creation of a federal state. A United States of Europe.
>https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/publications/five-presidents-report-completing-europes-economic-and-monetary-union_en
>On the EU Commission, this is the body which is actually in charge in the EU. They have the power of both an executive and a legislative branch, and they are unelected. No new law can be created, nor repealed, without the agreement of the Commission which has a monopoly over all but a tiny fraction of EU law. That law is superior to the laws made by elected governments of member states, the Commission can fine states for non-compliance and the European Court of Justice is superior to all courts in member states.
>If you want to live in a completely undemocratic federal republic headed by Germany - vote to stay. If you'd prefer to have some democratic control over your country, vote to leave and just have a fucking trade treaty like the EEC was meant to be in the beginning.
>>71622807
That's a lie anon, Scotland does arrest bigoted racists who attack poor refugees.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-arrested-for-offensive-facebook-posts-about-syrian-refugees-arriving-on-scottish-island-of-bute-a6878981.html
>tfw all the hipster champagne socialists will be at Glastonbury and miss the vote
Anyway lads wasn't in-out 50/50 not long ago? what caused such a massive swing in such a short time?
>>71622807
>>71622894
Don't you feel bad that Muslims are raping your children and your only defence to that statement is a joke?
I honestly can't believe Englanders talk like this. Your country is fucked, your children are literally being raped and you're sitting at home shitting out memes.
>>71622953
>>71622618
Hadrian's Wall mk.2
>>71621248
I'd rather die on my feet as an independent nation than survive cucked in the EU
>>71622956
you never considered it was muzzies raping more muzzies, right?
Yes, it's bad.
But plenty of that is over- for now at least. We've had the scandal, and now the police have uncucked themselves to that shit.
>>71622956
Do you mind if we deport them to Scotland then and build a wall?
If we end up staying in the EU, are any of you faggots going to move away? I'm seriously considering it.
>>71623080
Oh I see, so you're just lying to yourself. Also if you actually read about the muslim sex gangs it was white girls (usually blondes) that were being raped.
What police force is going to help? The one that is full of non-Brits?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/20/police-constables-second-language-metropolitan-pilot-scheme
London Police are overwhelmingly non-British, you expect them to help when your kid is being raped by a muslim? They'll be the one covering it up.
>>71622578
Dissolving the powers of the House of Lords was such a backwards step its unreal. Thank welsh cunts like Lloyd George who manipulated the troubles in Ireland and pending World war to push his welfare agenda. Its a joke that the government which holds 5 years in Office can fix LAWS that are binding for eternity unless they are dissolved.
>>71623221
Might move to the US if Trump wins.
>>71623237
oh I wasn't talking about london. That cesspit can go to shit.
>>71622725
The whole island is great, but the sacrifice to make mainland UK better would be worth it
>>71623221
If you are white and against socialism you are welcome. For now UK leads the immigration tide and Id like to keep it that way.
>>71622760
Buffered if I know. I'm from Bonglandia, in the country travelling and seeing the political situation. Shit's murky and complex as hell
>>71623279
Really? Where are you thinking?
>>71622763
That's not cool mate. I live on a farm right next to Gatwick. The roads were blocked with anti-fracking tramps the other week.
>>71619036
What's article 50 about?
>>71623297
London is where the invasion started, not where it ends.
Leicester, Luton, Slough and Birmingham all have white people as a minority and that's just in the 2011 census. By the time 2021 comes around I'll be suprised if half of England is white.
If the vote is in there needs to be a violent revolution. It's simply totalitarian statism vs liberty & self determination. I know what side i'm on.
How can you put a price on democracy?
How can you put a price on sovereignty?
Can't stand people who quotr muh one gorillion job losses if we leave as their only argument. I'd happily allow a drop in GDP if we regained control of our long-lost country. Hell, I'd even give up my job tomorrow if it meant we left. The worrying thing is idiots who aren't clued up will buy every word of the propaganda.
>>71623360
I am white and have a career in finance. My sister lives in Sydney too. Seems like a sensible choice.
>>71623443
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
>>71623455
look I know you're trying to convince me of something but at the same time like....
slough? birmingham?
like even nige wouldn't bother saving those cunts
>>71623432
Why? Isn't fracking currently unprofitable?
>>71623430
New Hampshire, South Carolina or Alabama. The the pro trump places.
>>71618883
Wrong flag, you traitorous scum.
>>71623616
this
>>71623279
>>71623221
honestly you lads don't know how good we have it in Britain. I guarantee you that the whitest places in America will be complete shitholes compared to your average town in Britain. Your money/properties are also worth more in Britain than it is in America/Europe and despite everything you have access to good healthcare, internet and banks.
>>71618883
>doesn't know where he stands
>browsing a heavily redpilled Jamaican weed smoking forum
Sort yourself out, rudeboi
>>71623524
>i don't care about london
>i don't care about birmingham
>i don't care about this city
>i don't care about that city
You're a fucking retard. You'll be sitting in your 51% white majority city saying "everything is fine" until it's too late.
That's exactly why England is fucked. I'm done. You deserve your fate.
>>71623432
>>71623607
Fracking is making the US a lot of dosh, why do you think oil prices have dropped? Saudis are trying to compete.
>>71623443
Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon guarantees that any country leaving the EU gets a free-trade deal and full access to the single maket. Plus it guarantees that any country leaving the EU will retain all the benefits of membership (i.e. EU funding, etc) for 24 months after the date that it leaves.
>>71623432
Fracking will destroy our beautiful countryside. Been meaning to go to a protest andbhaveva ganders, but have no idea where they would be
>>71623700
>living in a city
>>71623651
But if we're not running our own country, then how long will that last for?
>>71619261
Of course it's going to win. Are you fucking regarded? The globalist elite wants to remain, and they literally always get what they want. You're just a serf, remember?
>>71623651
The benefits of living here might be nice but Britain won't be British anymore if she willingly gives up her sovereignty.
Also America under Trump sounds pretty great when he brings freehealth care under free market principles.
>>71618883
I'm voting out.
Anything but out is a sign of cowardice, defeat and a disgrace to your great grandfather.
>>71623850
Expat?
>>71620837
I'd like open migration between the commonwealth countries. Australia is so harsh on New Zealand citizens atm (not that I want to go but still)
>>71620837
>tfw modern England has a closer association with France, Germany and Pakistan than it does with Australia or New Zealand.
I'm ashamed of what we've become.
>>71623752
It wouldn't really. I don't wish to use the 'im a student!' card, but i'm a Geology student and it's massively less damaging than """renewables""" are for the countryside. It takes up a 50m squared area. If that.
>>71623711
Yeah, the Saudis flooded the market to the point where you cannot frack because you wont make money, I didn't realise it was profitable again yet.
>>71618883
Just got my Brit passport in the mail (thx dad)
>mfw i will have access to 27 less countries where i can live & work & vote for MEPs
>mfw those are the greatest states in the world (europe... the heart of civilization)
Im a lawfag and the firm im lined up for has offices all throughout Europe... and London. So i guess Ill end up there. If there's a brexit.
Im coming home Europe.
>>71618883
I want the UK to get in or get out.
The UK didn't adopt the Euro and kept its borders protected way more tightly than most EU countries, even before the refugee crisis. I'm fine with either but I reall don't like this half-way thing you have been doing up to now.
>>71624009
>muh infected water
>making up for the energy by plastering god's own country with millions of huge windmills
>>71624076
Enjoy bro.
Europe is a great place to live, so long as your wealthy.
Though I suppose the same goes for anywhere.
>>71621653
Is it time to resurrect him?
>>71618962
>UK stays in EU
>can hold referendum to leave at any time
yeah actually that's wrong, we can't just keep holding referendums every year, and if we lost this referendum why the fuck would the EU be scared of another? we'll just vote to stay in again
>>71621934
She got cucked by Tony Fucking Blair to win P.R. with chav tabloid readers.
>>71623800
Trump sounds great but thats as far as it goes. Free market principles aren't going to fly in the US the place has become a bloody oligarchy since the recession. I'm all in favour of Trump but there's no utopia waiting the US if he's elected just years of political cat and mouse. Ask anyone you know who have lived abroad they'll tell you they had to move back to Britain because its the best place in the world and if they still live abroad I bet they regret it because it doesn't work favourably two ways.
>>71624114
It's because the people don't really seem to want to join your euro orgy but their governments do. I think they'll vote out by a landslide.
>>71623977
Actually come to think of it it's kinda fucked when you put it like that.
Under EU law, England can't discriminate between European citizens and its own for university applications, but as a NZ citizen I wasn't able to jump through the hoops to get decent financial aid from Oxford due to citizenship issues, despite being way closer to English citizenship than a fucking German or whatever
>>71623977
We've got closer association with China than the rest of the Anglosphere, at least we have eaxhother mate
>>71624114
Once this whole EU thing blows over can you try and not destroy Europe for at least another generation, it's getting a bit old
>>71623895
Dualy.
My sister is voting in, because, "I don't want to have to deal with immigration every time I go to France for holidays".
>>71624257
Then that's ok. We can make deals with them the same way we do with every foreign market. And we won't have people calling shots who don't really want to be in.
>>71624320
> "I don't want to have to deal with immigration every time I go to France for holidays".
kill your sister i hate these people that are all "we'll the idea of having a sovereign nation is cool and all, but i want cheap mobile tariffs instead"
>>71624316
Yeah. Great. The only Anglo's in the South Pacific. Us and the Samoans against a Billion Muslims and a Billion Resource Hungry Chinese. What a lot of fun that's going to be.
>>71624270
Although apparently some uneducated Polish toiler scrubber or "Italian" rapeugee nigger are the better candidates.
This is why if we leave we'll open the door to the Commonwealth.
>>71624270
Luckily I've got a British passport, they've slashed immigration from Anglo countries to try and fulfil their promise of decreased immigration because they have no control over European immigration
>>71624378
Aren't you afraid of the EU collapsing in a domino effect like most Germans?
>>71622749
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>>71623237
>literally spouting the same shit over and over again because I have nothing meaningful to say.
>from the country that voted in the SNP which is on the level of Green party cancer
>>71624009
I can understand that the actual drilling area wont be huge but also factors like how will the oil be transported? Will there be a pipeline built or loads of trucks driving around.. would that lead to country roads being made wider?
One if the reasons I'd like to go to a protest is to find out more. Personally I am pro renewable like pyrolysis and I like seeing windmills.
>>71624320
Have you tried killing your sister?
Honestly like any referendum or political decision. The facts that are given to us are all bullshit and the real ends are to justify small minorities of rich people(both ways)
I'm not sure which way it would effect me personally. Of course my initial reaction is to vote to leave as I'm a democrat and I fucking hate this refugee and immigration bullshit. Also I don't think of myself as fucking European, I'm Scottish first and....maybe British
But
1.) The immigration could possibly be just as bad the other way around
2.) The economic factors are quite outside my field of knowledge and they could genuinely effect me somehow
>>71624391
I reminded her last time that we literally had to wait 10 minutes for our Australian friends to get their flick knives confiscated by frog customs.
>Yeah, but I don't want to line up for ten minutes
It sickens me, but she's a rabid leftist like most women. So what can you do.
I hope we can ditch this E.U. farce and return to an Anglo-Union.
>>71624403
Fighting against unwinnable odds is the oldest Anglo tradition
>>71624511
At least outside the EU a future government could cut immigration. Currently the government cannot turn away gypsies and slavs.
>>71624136
Rather have windmills than climate change and rise of CO2/Carbolic acid in the oceans that will lead to the entire planet's demise
>>71623946
Aussies are actually lenient with us considering how they treat the other immigrants.
>>71624171
I speak french, so I was hoping to work in Paris, if there's a Brexit ill be forced to London which is where i ultimately saw myself ending up. I have a dream to own a house near the Kew Gardens one day. London is so beautiful.
>>71624456
A little bit yeah. But I've been upset about how the UK handled EU membership for a while. Maybe the EU would collapse from it, then it will be a well-intentioned but failed experiment. Or we make it through that and would be stronger for it.
>>71624468
Fracking and (for us) Gas are good ways to get you off the Mid East teat while working towards renewables. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. What DOES have to be stopped is propping up the savages in the Mid East. I'd rather renewables for transport energy and saving the fracking and oil drilling for petroleum used in other necessary production, like plastics.
>>71624542
When I say that getting massacred by Muslims on a beach is one of our Antipodean traditions, so it could go either way
>>71624511
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. It was the same before it joined the EEC in the 70's. The treaty says you get to negotiate trade terms with the union upon leaving. The economic turmoil can only be short term at worst.
Even so, it's like putting a price on your sovereignty.
>>71624662
>well-intentioned
>the EU
Enjoy that unelected commission and future superstate.
>>71624511
>1.) The immigration could possibly be just as bad the other way around
Not really, we can still vet who's coming in and out. When Germany's refugees get EU passports (which they will) and Turkey get EU membership we are going to see some serious shit
2.) The economic factors are quite outside my field of knowledge and they could genuinely effect me somehow
Put simply if we left the EU in the short term it might make prices rise but in the long term the increase in free trade will drive prices down. We'll also have more food due to not being in the retarded CAP so lower food costs as well. I'd argue energy would go down too because we wouldn't have to pay the EU's retarded green emissions tax.
Not to mention a rebalance in the labour market would make wages go up. Essentially we stand to lose very little if we leave in the long-term economically
>>71624574
>climate change
Every species of life affects and alters climate; we have far less impact than plants, which not only radically altered the climate but radically altered atmospheric composition, spewing out a highly flammable gas called oxygen into the atmosphere that otherwise wouldn't be present except in negligible amounts.
So, yeah, humans and every other form of life is changing the climate as well as a million other variables because there is no normal for climate. Leftist rhetoric portrays the situation as though human activity were somehow changing the climate from some supposed natural equilibrium that wouldn't exist even without human activity. Hell, before human activity started releasing carbon into the atmosphere, we were in a nearly 200 million year trend of atmospheric carbon depletion; about 1000 years ago, atmospheric carbon levels were getting dangerously close to falling below 200 ppm, which would have begun a shut down of photosynthesis which would have led to massive die offs.
There's little to no evidence of significant man-made warming, the minor warming trend in the raw temperature data that's been observed is consistent with coming out of the Little Ice Age; hell, Greenland is still more glaciated now than it was during the Medieval Warm Period. What "evidence" does exist for anthropogenic climate change is temperature data that was upwardly adjusted to fit warming models, and even then still fall short of the predicted warming.
There's a good chance that observed warming trends were a result of the solar output grand maximum which ended around 2007-2008 and that we're poised for a trend of cooling due to a a new solar grand minimum.
TL;DR: man made climate change is not even a factor.
We should raise a generation of anglos that are aware of their shared cultural heritage and a make a passport union between UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
>>71624722
Well, I guess this time it will be us on the beach heads.
Plus I think Turks are probably better shots than Indonesians.
>>71624320
LIVE: Merkel to receive International Four Freedoms Medal for role in financial and migrant crises
errr..guys what is this shit???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQyJb9rGxc
>>71624882
The emperor's new clothes.
>>71624511
Its not just about refugees its economic migrants from poor european countries. The government is constantly raising minimum wage because slav workers drove wages down so long its depressed the economy and killed high streets leaving only massive corrupt tax avading companies like Primark and Tescos (which incidentally love the EU because its a great venue for siphoning off tax credits and avoiding transport tariffs). Its also ruined the lives of thousands of unemployed whites and taken away social mobility.
>>71624882
For what, causing it?
>>71624749
I'm not going to claim the EU is flawless or even close to it. But I do think a strong political Union in Europe is a good idea.
>>71623742
does this mean you get all the benefits without paying your fair share? this doesnt seem right.
>>71619261
Why is it that every independent poll has leave winning by a wide margin?
>>71623977
At least Australia and Canada have good relations, considering how much crossover the mining companies have.
>>71625019
He overexaggerated it a bit.
Basically we have 2 years to get trade deals done with our current trade agreements still in place.
>>71625019
For two years
>>71625019
Why don't you tell Greece that?
>>71625046
Because they like to manipulate people. They want you to think there is no hope so you don't bother to vote.
>>71624958
>>71625112
>>71625118
got it
>>71618962
Hi r.eddit!
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/swedes-tell-britain-if-you-leave-the-eu-well-follow/
CRASHING THE EU
WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>71624762
>There's little to no evidence of significant man-made warming
What about ice core samples showing the rise in CO2 since the Industrial Revolution? Humans are pumping the atmosphere with CO2 and it will lead to the acidification of the seas and kill us off. Look at pollution and coral bleaching off Somalia.
You can post graphs and stuff but my parents are Marine biologists and ecologists. The change to our climate is real and happening. Wether or not it is a natual process, human input or both. If we don't try to do something about it nigga we dead
>>71625364
A rise in CO2 has barely any effect on the rise in climate change.
The biggest barriers to businesses in the UK come from our own government.
Business rates, income tax, planning regulations, opening hours regulations, health and safety and now the icing on top of the cake is an unrealistic minimum wage that will make a lot of small businesses unprofitable.
If anything EU regulations actually force our government to stay more economically liberal.
I don't care if we leave or stay but those of you thinking Britain will be a capitalist paradise after leaving are in for a surprise. The out campaign is all about muh nhs muh benefits and muh affordable housing.
>>71624573
They're not likely to though. Both the wishy washy socialists and the exploitative conservatives love immigration.
>>71624742
>Even so, it's like putting a price on your sovereignty.
This is true. And it's probably whats going to sway me towards voting out to be honest. I just hope I don't lose my house and suffer a wage cut because of my pride :(
>>71624751
Not really, we can still vet who's coming in and out
I respect that. For example, I fucking hate the Tories but I do like what they've done with this immigration crisis. They have basically taken ones that live in camps in Syria and have been monitored by British aid workers.
>>71618883
Question. If Britain leaves will they uncuck themselves? If so how hard would it be for an American to immigrate and become a citizen of England. Things are pretty fucked up here and if Hillary gets elected things are only going to get worse.
>>71625364
Also there's literally nothing you can do to stop climate change, its nature nigger. We'll likely become mole people.
>>71625256
no survivors
>>71625459
>They're not likely to though. Both the wishy washy socialists and the exploitative conservatives love immigration
With Cuckeron gone we might get a real tory eadership
>>71623514
>after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
>unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
I got a bad feel about this scoob
>>71625470
We could stop raping and polluting the earth for a little while and see if things get better. Though personally I think the ball's rolling has gained so much momentum the only thing that could help is some benevolent environmentally minded dictator
>>71625613
The alternatives are Boris the multicult enthusiast or IDC, the man who literally quit the cabinet because Cameron wanted to stop giving out free cars to morbidly obese "disability" claimants.
>>71624882
The Rothschilds are there to celebrate Europes downfall what a surprise!!!!
>>71625438
this.
but i'll say at least if we are out we can vote for more economically liberal parties (or not) as we choose. as it stands we have no say. we are now forced to make accommodations for obese in the workplace because some fat fuck got fired from his child minding job in sweden because he couldn't bend down to tie kids shoes. he sued and won, now the entire eu has to oblige. its bullshit.
>>71618883
UK government is shilling hard for the EU. I'm getting Pro-EU adverts before youtube videos
>>71625459
>They're not likely to though.
A leave vote will realign the Tories to the right, the Cameroon neo-con bloc will be completely destroyed. Johnson will become PM, with people like Gove, IDS, Patel all in high positions. With Scotland lost to Labour the Tories have to do more in England to appease the white affluent middle-class who flirt with people like Labour and the Lib-Dems. Immigration will come down (we will also start deporting former EU citizens who fail to get a visa so all those Romanian and Bulgarian begging bastards can fuck off).
The dynamic on immigration has changed and I think most right-of-centre Tories know this, just under Dave "I want to be Blair" Cameron it isn't being worked on
