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That moment when you realize Obama was a much better president than Bush..
I was going to work as a operator for the keystone xl now I'm jobless and can't afford to feed my wife's kid
>>71545473
That's not a compliment or a feat.
Not much of an achievment
>>71545473
>5% unemployment
HAHAHAHAHA
Only an idiot would swallow the cooked numbers offered by the WH.
>>71545582
>can't afford to feed my wife's kids
Shoulda thought of that when you became a cuck
Unemployment is actually above 30% given the states welfare recipients nationwide.
>>71545473
THANKS OBAMA!
>>71546055
While we're making up numbers, I heard it was 94%.
>>71545473
You're retarded if you believe unemployment is at 5%
>>71545819
>>71547055
The U3 unemployment rate has been the official rate for decades.
It was never controversial until a black man became president and right wingers lost their shit.
>>71545473
debt 18 trillion dollars
>better president
i wonder what i could have accomplished with an extra 8 trillion dollars..
lol
>>71546807
That's just retarded though.
Mine is backed by welfare statistics.
>>71545473
late Bush/ early Obama was not too shabby for my parents
they always wanted to invest in some housing, but 2006 saw prices skyrocket. Once the housing bubble crashed, they gobbled up homes (without selling their own). Now my retired father makes a decent income on collecting rent from tenants and maintaining houses.
I hope to do the same once there is another housing crash in the not-to-distant future. It helps how people in this country are retarded with spending and saving money
>>71547282
If Obama were as bad as Reagan, the national debt would be $30 TRILLION.
>>71547334
Prove it faggot
>>71547334
No it isn't. Yours is just made up. Every rate of unemployment from U3 to U6 has plummeted under Obama.
>>71547175
No, no it hasn't. They've been cooking the books for ages and economists especially those who adhere to the Austrian school have been highlighting this for decades. The real unemployment rate (which is not cooked) is at around 20-30%, the rate you linked only counts those who are *searching for jobs within the past 4 weeks*.
>>71545473
>have no job
>no one I know has a decent paying job
>read statistics reported by local outlets, unemployment getting really bad"
>Obama: "You're Good"
>>71547175
You're an actual idiot
U3 is shit
40% of Americans above the age of 16 (working age) are not working, alot of those are students and stay at hoe wives so that does skew the numbers BUT the real unemployment rate of working Americans looking for work is around 20%
>>71547480
>>71547487
Percent of the US population on welfare 35.4 %
Source: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute
Research Date: January 23rd, 2016
Actually I guess I was under. 35.4% unemployed and on welfare.
>>71547626
>>71547334
You dumbasses don't know shit . If the unemployment rate was that high there would be massive wide scale suciides
>>71547626
> The real unemployment rate (which is not cooked) is at around 20-30%,
This is made up.
> the rate you linked only counts those who are *searching for jobs within the past 4 weeks*.
Oh you want to include discouraged workers? Ok no problem here you go. U4 rate. Read the title of the chart before you reply.
>>71545473
sage always this same fucking leaf shit poster praising Obama literally knows nothing about actual life in the U.S.
>>71547766
Nah, just governmental aide :^)
>>71545473
>no keystone XL
How is this a good thing?
>>71545473
Bush was a retard from the start. But Obama made this country even worse before he was president
I don't know who's baiting who anymore
>>71547724
>40% of Americans above the age of 16 (working age) are not working
Protip My 80 year old grandma isn't looking for a job.
You're the actual idiot. We know exactly why people aren't in the labor force.
I'm guessing this is the first time you've seen this chart.
Hasn't actually stopped Keystone XL.
But if he had it would cost the USA about 5 million dollars a day in higher oil prices, and cost Canada 8 million a day in lost revenue due to the price difference.
>>71547898
This leaf posts this shit everyday
>>71547949
>maplenigger returns with meme images
I guess you don't know shit then do you :^)
>>71547820
Because some people like having clean drinking water and like nature faggot
>>71547970
Actually I haven't posted a thread in days. I didn't post this.
Why do you hate facts so much?
>>71547790
Explain this leafposter.
>>71547862
Life in late 2007 was shit compared to 2016. Also Obama didn't start a shit slinging war and killed thousands of people.
>>71547432
Thatd be a nice meme if he wasnt put in the shit by Carter's policies and had to fix them.
Ive heard that Obama "redefined" what unemployment meant, any Americans able to explain this to me?
How did he change the definition?
>>71548117
You're right, he killed tens of thousands.
>>71548066
I know that most people on welfare are actually working. But multi billion corporations like Walmart pay them so little that they qualify for things like food stamps.
Conservatives love this because they are just corporate shills. Nothing more.
>>71547949
>moving the goalposts
Aaaaaaand argument lost
>almost all new jobs go to immigrants
>most new jobs are low-wage shit
>many are formed due to employers cutting hours to skirt around obamacare bullshit
>this is a good thing
A FUCKING LEAF
y'all niggas posting in a troll thread
>>71547949
I don't oppose living wages for full time workers, I think that people should get paid a fair amount for the work they do, if they can't fund a family on it then they should contribute a more needed skill to society, by doing more valued work
>>71548224
>More memegry.
You had no argument to begin with and are just parroting your old stats and graphs.
Just lay down and take it in the ass like a good Canadian, I trumped your argument in my first post.
>>71548109
what happens when baby boomers retire?
They leave the Labor f_rce. Can you solve the puzzle?
“Each day,10,000 baby boomers retire and begin receiving Medicare and Social Security benefits.”
Wait. Did you actually believe a right wing lie? You fell for it? AHAHa
>>71547905
>>71547175
Top kuk
>>71548224
>occupy democrats Soros funded Leaf shit poster
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
ignorant faggot shill
>>71548224
>I know that most people on welfare are actually working.
that is a complete lie stupid paid shill syrup nigger
>>71545473
>Occupy democrats
Into the trash it goes. Those people lie more than Fox news.
>>71545473
That moment when you realize that isn't much of a fucking accomplishment.
>>71548224
Things have always been this way, since civilization started you get paid for the value of your work
>>71548357
Buddy you lost the argument. That's why you're resorting to childish insults.
You're bitching about why so many Americans on welfare. I'm pointing out to you that many Americans on welfare are actually working but they're making so little that they qualify for welfare like food stamps.
You're too stupid to get it. Obvious conservative.
>>71545473
Fag marriage became legal under his watch
ABSOLUTE DEGENERACY
LYNCH THE TRAITOR TO AMERICA
Keystone was a good idea though.
I don't think he was a terrible president. Most of his hate is generated from his general snobbery towards working class Americans.
I'm really not a hater, it's just aggravated that he was supposed to be this liberating figure, but race-relations are worst they have been in 50 some years, and honestly he's not responsible for the bailouts and all that nonsense
>>71548555
No, you're so upset you have to keep responding.
You just want a good ass fucking, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
Deny all you want, you're absolutely wrong though.
Have a nice day though :^)
>>71545473
But that's like saying cancer > AIDS
>>71548485
>>71548404
>>71548456
Prove the stat wrong.
Protip: You can't.
>>71548676
You're not even making arguments anymore. You're just behaving like a child. Typical conservative.
Nigger pandering at schools. Cop hate. Culture of deneracy and black thug culture -- fucking raps with some dumbass black 'rapper' who is shit.
I get it its music and some of it is good but they aren't creating something worthwhile that can help ppl so why treat them like a fucking doctor?
FUCK THE NIGGER IN CHIEF! He is also pandering to muslims FUCK
>>71547432
He's still got a few months tho.
>>71547949
>Living wages
There's that phrase again
>>71547626
even still, the calculation hasn't changed. You're arguing semantics. The unemployment rate is down no matter what scale you use.
>>71548661
If a republican did it then they would say hes a corporate shill, but when a democrat did the bailouts, no one says a thing.
>>71548758
Posting meme pictures aren't arguments either
>>71545473
He was. Bush caused panic, fear and made way for the surveillance-heavy society we live in today.
>>71548456
actually it's not. Welfare doesn't pay enough for people not to work. Work doesn't pay enough not be on welfare
>>71545473
>Debt not only at an all time high, obongo managed to increase the slope spectacularly.
Burgers dot remember the credit downgrade?
Nigbama is a fraud
>>71547949
>Living wages
Gain some actual skills you dumb lazy fucking autist and/or nigger, and then maybe you'll make enough "wages" to "live". Quit acting like flipping burgers is a valid career choice.
>>71548927
I already made my argument. You're too stupid to understand it.
>>71549074
You're a corporate shill who wants corporations to rip off hard working Americans and stash trillions offshore. So don't complain when hard working Americans make so little that they qualify for welfare.
>>71545473
Yeah, my sister is very thankful for all the rapist scatstains that came to our country thanks to that monkey.
Did I mention the fact that he is too dumb to dip a cookie in a glass of milk?
>>71545473
Yea but poverty is still just as high as ever. It was 14.5% in 2015.
>>71549264
It's almost as if Bush and the Republicans left the worst economic crash since the Republican Great Depression.
>>71548704
the burden of proof always lies with the party asserting the claim
read teh sticky faggot
you're post basically amounts to "prove me wrong. Pro tip you cant'"
>>71549220
>So don't complain when
You're the only fag complaining. Oh god forbid a corporation wants to keep its own money. End welfare, end this "livable wage" bullshit, and then you worthless leeches to society will just die off so society will be a better place only full of productivity and progress.
>>71549327
It's almost like W was bad and Obama just made things worse.
>>71549365
Exactly what I thought. You can't prove it wrong. You just admitted it. I've already proven it.
GG cuckservative.
>>71549017
If either of those were true, America would not have an illegal immigrant problem
>>71547949
Oh my god that picture just gave me cancer. Implementing any minimum wage just puts workers who can't produce that wage's labor on welfare. Over the long term, it inflates the dollar because when you give people money for no reason, money loses it's value. This protects the interests of the labor unions and makes it so they have the power, not the enfranchised worker or employer.
>>71549402
>Obama economy creating 14x more jobs than Bush
>worse
What is the point in making these threads? I have no idea if Obama was good or not, however if this is the same Canadian who constantly debates on these thread. Jesus Christ, you are as sad as the gays who come and scream on /pol/ they want to be treated as equal.
No one here gives a shit if Obama did good, he's a nigger at the end of the day. He could have solved every issue in the US and /pol/ would still hate him. Stop being such a dense fuck.
>>71549138
Whatever you say pal
>>71549464
Job growth picks up in states that raised minimum wage
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/19/job-growth-picks-up-in-states-that-raised-minimum-wage.html
Economic morons like you think it's good for the economy for corporations to stash trillions in dead money offshore.
>>71549495
Yeah but it's all just another bubble waiting to pop. We'll probably be in recession before the years out, and we might already be in one. Not to mention most of those jobs are part time anyway. If Obama's economy was really doing well for the average American we wouldn't see Trump and Bernie with this kind of support.
>>71549365
>That lack of thighs
kinda weird desu
>>71547175
>buying into government cooked numbers
They have to manipulate these, it's part of the fed's policy and if they didn't they would like like a failure. 92 million working age people are unemployed, consider that.
>>71549495
Yea but poverty is higher than under Bush, real gdp growth on average was lower, the housing market is way worse, the debt doubled and then some, we're still in the middle East and the world's economy is much better than it was under W. So don't give me that shit that Obama was a great president. He gets a C- at best.
>>71549593
1. you are a leaf who cares what you think
2. your sources are Occupy Democrats forced meme
3. using Occupy Democrats as a source means you are a Soros paid shill or a fucking retard
I never realized it, it was obvious from the beginning. Democrats are identical to republicans in the most important policies but they're at least more competent.
Trump > McAfee > Clinton > Sanders > Kasich > Cruz
>>71549495
mostly part time jobs, not paying a lot.
>>71549440
Wal-Mart is able to do that because of the subsidies. They don't have to provide these things because they're still the best option for the low skilled worker, whose labor would be worth a lot more if he wasn't the victim of forced dollar inflation. The answer is less subsidies, let those who work the market take over and the market will be there to help everyone. Why would a company want to help it's workers? Because happy workers keep working at their business, and happy workers work. It's these parasites that are trying to take away people's fear of the future by giving the burden to their children. They are literally taking candy from a baby.
>>71545473
GET CANCER
>>71549855
>92 million working age people are unemployed, consider that.
You think my 80 year old grandma is working age?
Yikes. You're mentally handicapped bro.
Why are right wingers so stupid?
>>71549884
Lol I just linked Fox news.
The only reason why you're bitching about the source is because you can't debunk the facts.
>>71545473
>271,000 jobs added
That's just because George w. Bush was president during one of the largest recessions in modern time.
>Unemployment rate down to 5%
If you only count people who are looking for work as unemployed than yeah, if you are talking total unemployment it's gone up.
>No to Keystone XL
This is a good thing how exactly?
The only argument I can see against Keystone XL other than 'LOL BRO OIL IS EVIL' is that they would need to use eminent domain to claim a lot of the land...
>>71545473
>debt is an order of magnitude greater than GDP
>currency can only be artificially propped up for a little while longer until it collapses
But at least unemployment is "down"!
>>71547175
>This retarded canadian again
>>71550379
>thinks Obama was president in July 2001
>being this fucking retarded
>>71549593
>Economists who support a higher minimum say the figures are encouraging, though they acknowledge they don't establish a cause and effect.
post hoc?
Can you give a logical reason to why increasing the amount someone is paid would increase jobs available?
>>71547949
Because the people who's labor it worth less than 15$ an hour will lose their jobs you retarded fucking leaf.
>>71550511
Their labor is worth way more than that dumbass. That's why the corporations they work for are able to stash trillions offshore.
>>71550455
It took obama 8 fucking years to recover from crisis.
Saged. You will never get anyone to believe your shit, go back to sucking trudeau's cock for your peso-like currency.
>>71548150
>ronnie dindu nuffin!
>>71550662
>burger flippers are worth $15
Get a load of this kuk
If Trump were elected and unemployment were that low, you faggots would be pointing that out every five seconds. When a black man does the same thing you guys say the unemployment measure is rigged. Democrats have always produced smaller deficits and even been more fiscal conservative then most republican presidents. Honestly even Reagan was a Democrat before he became a republicain.
>>71548150
Wtf? Everyone knows Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt with his massive tax cuts for the rich. How retarded can you be?
>>71550809
Guy sitting at a desk making $13,000 per hour. Get a load of this fuk.
>>71551074
>all republicans agree who the greatest president is and the worst president is
There are people this stupid.
>>71551240
>they can afford to pay everyone in their company the same way they pay their CEO
Holy fucking shit how retarded can you get.
>>71551280
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
It's a pretty well general consensus that Republicans worship Reagan and despise Carter.
>>71548704
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/08/whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate/
Not hard. You used a facebook meme as a source. Nothing occupy democrats puts out is factual.
>>71551365
You think $15 = $13,000?
Wow you really are a right wing retard.
>>71551049
>>71551074
God both of you are dense fucks coming onto /pol/ thinking anyone will listen, it's pretty funny guys. Keep it up.
>>71551240
Posting from another anon:
THE MISLEADING CLAIM: These 8 CEOs get paid so much that they clearly can afford to raise their worker's wages to $15 per hour.
THE REALITY: As we'll demonstrate below, the math proves this claim is questionable, at best.
JC PENNY:
• 114,000 employees [1]
• CEO pay: $4,629 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.04 per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
CHIPOTLE:
• 53,090 employees [2]
• CEO pay: $13,489 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.25 per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
Note, part of why Chipotle's CEO (Steve Ells) is so highly compensated is because he holds TWO positions, rather than just one, also serving as Chipotle’s chairman. [3]
Another interesting point? Chipotle ALREADY pays its workers more than comparable fast food outlets, such as Taco Bell, Chick-fil-A, McDonald's, Wendy's, and Burger King. [4]
DUNKIN DONUTS:
• 260,000 employees [5]
• CEO pay: $4,889 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.01 (technically 0.018) per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
DOMINOS:
• 11,000 employees [6]
• CEO pay: $3,571 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.32 per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
WENDY'S:
• 31,200 employees [7]
• CEO pay: $3,465 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.11 per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
WAL-MART:
• 2,200,000 employees [8]
• CEO pay: $2,704 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.00 (technically 0.001) per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
STAR-BUCKS:
• 191,000 employees [9]
• CEO pay: $10,285 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.05 per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
(Cont.)
Reagan was an idiot didn't he launch the war on drugs?
>>71547432
Obama raised the debt by 10 trillion
Unemployment is hovering around 25%.
>>71551427
I've already linked a chart that shows that every measure from U3 to U6 has plummeted under Obama.
That's not a facebook meme. That's from the official source.
>>71547487
Here's the U4. I bet you can't reply and type out what it says at the top of the chart.
>>71551548
MACY'S:
• 166,900 employees [10]
• CEO pay: $7,904 per hour per the meme.
Each employee could get a $0.04 (technically 0.047) per hour raise if the CEO's pay were entirely eliminated.
CONCLUSION:
Considering that this meme took annual CEO pay and simply divided it up into 40 hour work weeks despite the fact that CEOs of top firms routinely work over 40 hours a week [11], it already was guilty of significantly over-inflating CEO's hourly wages. But even if one takes the meme's inaccurate estimates at face value, it's conclusion proves to be entirely false, never the less. You could literally eradicate 100% of CEO pay from each of these companies and never even come close to a 50 cent per hour raise for workers, never mind nearly doubling minimum wages to $15 per hour. This claim is demonstrably false.
Sources:
[1]
http://www.macroaxis.com/inv…/ratio/JCP--Number_of_Employees
[2]
http://www.macroaxis.com/inv…/ratio/CMG--Number-of-Employees
[3]
http://www.bloomberg.com/…/chipotle-investors-slam-executiv…
[4]
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-fast-food-jobs-pay-…
[5]
http://www.bostonjobsource.com/dunkin.html
[6]
http://www.macroaxis.com/inv…/ratio/DPZ--Number-of-Employees
[7]
https://www.macroaxis.com/in…/ratio/WEN--Number-of-Employees
[8]
http://news.walmart.com/walmart-facts/
[9]
http://www.macroaxis.com/in…/ratio/SBUX--Number-of-Employees
[10]
http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/M--Number-of-Employees
[11]
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/mobile/top-executives.htm
>>71551548
Omg you are beyond an idiot. We're not saying take from the CEO pay and give it to the workers. We're saying pay $15 per hour and Walmart will have to make do with in $13 BILLION in profits instead of $14 BILLION. Will they be ok?
>>71551049
>>>71547949
They also borrow more, further deepening and the debt wound.
C'mon anon you're smarter than this. If we paid back 1 billion dollars a day it would take 50 years to neutralize the debt. Even worse, we continue to sink about 2 billion dollars a day in debt.
Obama should have focused more on this during his presidency than healthcare.
But then again, you are a Canada.
>>71551465
Why are right wingers so retarded though? Is there something wrong with their brains?
>>71551445
No, I don't, but that info-graphic is still retarded.
The only reason Obama raised the debt us because President Bush pretty much handed him the worst situation ever. Bush policies led to the recession. Luckily Obama has been creating jobs ever since and that is really low unemployment by any measure. Thanks Obama.
>>71548224
Welfare is the main reason these people are not motivated to pursue more lucrative employment opportunities you stupid faggot. They earn more, they lose their benefits. Why bother?
>>71551641
Omg you are beyond an idiot. We're not saying take from the CEO pay and give it to the workers. We're saying pay $15 per hour and Walmart will have to make do with in $13 BILLION in profits instead of $14 BILLION. Will they be ok?
>>71545473
The real unemployment rate is much higher. And the keystone pipeline would've just been another pipeline among hundreds. Obama's presidency was stagnate to say the least.
>>71551786
The US was 10 years away from completely paying off its national debt. Then you idiots elected a Republican president.
>>71551795
You are talking about one president instead of ideology, if that was the case, everyone who isn't already laughing at you, would be by now.
>>71551551
No that was nixon.
By any measure, Obama has been getting peole back to work . republicans are pathetic nitpicking how it's calculated. That's super desperate.
>>71551806
Pretty sure they're out in the streets fighting for a living wage while conservative NEETS sitting in their mothers basements laugh at them.
>>71551894
Are you seriously forgetting 9/11 and the Iraqi war?
Not to mention that improved economy that was jumpstarted in the 90s led to the financial crisis in 08.
Get on my fucking level leftward
Not
>>71552053
>Are you seriously forgetting 9/11 and the Iraqi war?
No I'm not forgetting Bush's fuckups. How the hell is that a defense?
>>71551804
>creating jobs through government spending
>a good thing
I know you can't grasp basic economics, but Keynes general theory has been refuted for decades
I've always said that republicans are huge spenders. They are for a police state, a massive war on drugs and an even bigger military. I really think on paper republicans are supposed to be small government but in reality they are not and democrats are more fiscally conservative
>>71552104
>911 meme
Lost it now, please stop. No one can be as stupid as you. /pol/ is bad, but you. Damn son, get a life.
>>71551983
>out in the streets fighting for higher wages while the government covers all their expenses
Wow I wish the government would subsidize me to be an angry piece of shit
>>71552211
That's why Detroit is such a beautiful place, am I right? I mean, it was under democratic control for the past few decades.
>>71552284
>American workers get paid a living wage
>American workers need welfare to survive
Pick 1.
>>71552104
>literal direct hit to the world trade center
>money money and more money to arm an army and fight a fucking war
>Clinton allowed all the hollow investments to build up that caused the housing crisis
>>71551240
The CEO doesn't actually get that much per hour right? Not in the same sense a burgerflipper would get $10-15 right?
>>71552211
>Republicans for a police state
>meanwhile the most heavily policed cities in America (Chicago, LA, New York) are all overwhelmingly liberal
Something doesn't add up libcuck
>>71552305
Are you a fucking retarded 9/11 truth? Is that the kind of person I'm trying to bring back to reality?
Or do you actually think Bush had any control over the security checks in airports that allowed terrorists onto 4 planes?
Wew lad
>>71552397
Lol there was no housing crisis under Clinton.
It's George Bush that created the housing crisis.
You obviously weren't even born yet.
George Bush: we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAtUq0OJ68&nohtml5=False
>>71552453
True. The CEO gets stock options that he pays a lower rate of tax on. Probably in Panama.
>>71552390
>living wage
>not the same as welfare
You just want the burden of charity shifted from the state to the employer
>>71552631
BUSH DINDU NUFFIN!
I'm sure you'd be just as forgiving if 9/11 happened on Obama's watch.
After all, Benghazi was no big deal right.
>>71552720
And you just want hard working Americans ripped off so trillions in dead money can be hoarded offshore. /pol/ basically just shills for the Jew.
>>71552636
Oh look, a retard who's in denial about the cause of the banking crisis
>>71549495
Obama Mania
>>71551894
This is why we need a fiscal convervative.
>>71551626
So then you admit you've posted doctored numbers, that the obongo white house doctored to look better.
They were sick of people showing his failing presidency, and changed how the numbers add up, by counting a part time job a job and disavowed all people fed up by the job market.
Because of his forced healthcare, employers aren't hiring anything but part time so THEY aren't responsible for paying health care.
So to survive, most poor people have to have 3 part time jobs. So your counting one person 3 times, using your numbers.
Doesn't matter what you say, leaf. Obango fucked this country and I see it every day.
>>71552908
So we should shoot everyone who makes over a million dollars and take all their shit, right comrade?
Obama was much better on my dividends with all the free money
>>71552636
Lord take an economics class.
Clinton paved the way for CDO's to oversaturate the markets.
You want to give Obama the pass of inserting Bush's problems, when really it was wall street.
>>71552824
Full time workers are WAY UP under Obama. I already know your chart is made up just from the 1st line.
>>71546752
Mind you, most of the jobs added are part-time retail, fast food, and other general customer service jobs.
>>71553002
The fact that you think that's the same thing as hard working Americans making $15 per hour shows how kiked you have been by the Jew.
>>71553032
>You want to give Obama the pass of inserting Bush's problems
w0t
>>71552767
Nah Banghazi was Clinton and the pentagon.
It was also a direct operation governed and directed by the US government while 9/11 was a planned attack against the US by a jihadist group.
Bush did the most based thing he could lead a charge against the jihadists (along with the rest of the fucking free world i might add.)
>>71552908
>crazy conspiracy theories
Yep, we're on /pol/ alright.
The rich hoard money overseas because the taxes in this country are atrocious.
>>71553090
95% full time actually.
You guys are just repeating right wing lies.
The Spectacular Myth of Obama's Part-Time America—in 5 Graphs
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/02/the-spectacular-myth-of-obamas-part-time-america-in-5-graphs/283674/
>>71551074
Reagan had a democratic congress and the congress wanted more spending.
>with his massive tax cuts for the rich
Government revenue in 1981: 1016 bn
Government revenue in 1988: 1676 bn
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com
60% increase in 7 years.
So how did the tax cuts create a deficit?
>>71549495
>Company makes 200 seasonal jobs
>Lays everyone off when the season ends
>Next season makes 200 seasonal jobs
WHOOO! 400 JERBS CREATED!
>>71553279
LOL MORE BUSH DINDU!
Bush was warned BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN THE US.
He stayed on vacation and went fishing.
https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf
>>71553291
What rate did Mitt Romney pay on his $40 million in annual income again? Remind me.
>>71552631
Bush Jr. is a puppet whose strings were pulled by his dad and the usual cronies such as Richard "Cyborg" Cheney
If you seriously believe they don't form the emerged part of the iceberg that is the american deep state, you're either very gullible or a piece of shit shill :^)
>>71545473
Canada.
Our retarded, faggot cousin to the North.
>>71553334
Nice Y-axis bro
>>71553249
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>>71552767
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>>71552305
>>71552104
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>>71551795
Have we found the true scourge of /pol/?
Is this the most reatrded leaf to ever walk these threads?
>conspiracy theorist
>little to no knowledge of economics
>little to no knowledge of recent history
>not even enough to properly respond to people refuting his warped ideas
>possible reddit shill
>fucking leaf
Ken beyond keks
I'm out with this one anon. I just can't anymore lol
>>71553535
How much do you get paid to do this, or are you just autistic? You post this thread with the same images over and over. All for Obama?
>>71553183
Why do you affect to care so much about hard working Americans?
We know fill well you just want to push your Canadian liberal ideology.
I love this inscrutable term, living wage. It can really mean whatever you want. But what constitutes a living wage? There are 2.5 billion people who survive on less than 2 dollars a day. In this country, welfare destroys incentives to work, just as minimum wage destroys incentives to hire.
>>71553475
So what about Obama golfing with a commie in Cuba?
>>71552908
Once the ACA was implemented, many employees had their hours cut because companies would be forced to pay for their employees' healthcare. Instead of trying to resolve the problem, most of the drafters of the bill stated that employees would be able to spend more time with their families. You can't keep a home with only a part-time job without federal aid.
So was Nixon.
>>71545473
>fewer people working than in 1978
>100+ million more people
>5% unemployment
I trust these numbers
>>71553397
I guess you forgot the 7 Reagan tax increases on the middle class?
Jesus christ why are you right wingers such morons?
Says Ronald Reagan "reversed his world’s ‘largest tax cut’ and raised taxes when revenues did not match the expectations."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/25/stephen-colbert/stephen-colbert-brings-ronald-reagans-tax-raising-/
>inb4 politifact.
Reagan cut the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 28% moron.
His greatest regret when he left office was his massive deficits. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID HIMSELF.
Reagan's budget director RESIGNED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLd_lYD-rLM
YOU PEOPLE ARE MORONS.
>>71547175
Not if you understand how it works.
>If you stop looking for work, you come off the unemployment list
>If your under 16 or over 65, your probably not working
>People on welfare/ss aren't counted
Thus 45%-50% are "unemployed"
Which is why - http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/18/45-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax
>>71553535
Was it income or capital gains? We have different tax rates in this country genius.
>>71553782
Actually I've BTFO all you right wing retards. You idiots think 94 million working age Americans are unemployed. You think the unemployment rate is 42%. You think Bush kept us safe on 9/11.
You people are fucking morons.
>>71553334
>Atlantic
>Facts
Pick one faggot, every knows that the Atlantic is Zionist propaganda rag.
Am I doing this right?
Oh, forgot: Stupid leaf.
>>71553731
What's wrong with the Y axis? You realize those are the official statistics right? All I did was put in the timeframe of Obama's presidency.
>>71554126
>1 decent paying manufacturing job that can support a family goes away
>2 minimum wage restaurant jobs that can't pay for anyhing are made
Net good or bad?
Economics isn't so simple as jobs in jobs out, quality matter
>>71554126
No ever stated that Bush kept us safe during 9/11. Keep spouting that brainwashed ideology.
>>71545473
unemployment rates go down over time because homeless are not counted as unemployed
obama greenlighted keystone. it isnt being made because a state decided it didnt want to have it made going straight through it
its wendesday the weekend is a few days away from starting
>>71554013
>Thus 45%-50% are "unemployed"
Yeah if you think millions of retired old people, high school kids, the disabled, stay at home moms like Melania Trump, university students, and people in training ARE UNEMPLOYED. Then you're obviously mentally handicapped.
> Unemployment increases, republicans freak out and say Obama is the worst president ever and needs to be impeached
> Unemployment decreases, republicans say the measure of unemployment is flawed and Obama is the worst president ever and needs to be impeached.
>>71553980
>He caused a deficit with his tax cuts
>No he actually raised taxes
What is it?
>His greatest regret when he left office was his massive deficits.
And the only way to reduce deficits is taxing right?
Spending restraint does not exist obviously.
Not that I like a lot about Reagan either way.
Nixon repealed mandatory sentences for marijunana but Reagan reintroduced it.
Nixon also introduced revenue sharing which was very popular but Reagan necked it.
>>71554518
All these people sucking dry a system that hasn't seen real wage increases in over 30 years
Yes this will work fine
>>71545473
Wow, who knew the American economy was performing so well? I guess we have to thank the Republican congress who controls spending and most of the economic policies for that!
Wait, why is there a picture of Obama?
>>71554703
Get mad dumbass.
President Clinton Announces Largest Budget Surplus in the History of the Federal Government
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0009/27/se.02.html
>inb4 social security right wing lie
>inb4 newt lie
>>71547705
Hahaha youre poor
Bush did 9/11
Obama did Sandy Hook where nobody died
Obama has been a better president than Bush.
>>71554926
Seriously though have fucked in the head do you right wingers have to be to think that my 80 year old grandma is UNEMPLOYED?
You people need to be euthanized. You're full on mentally retarded.
Donald Trump says the unemployment rate may be 42 percent
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-unemployment-rate-may-be-42-perc/
Donald Trump is mentally unfit for office.
I hope you motherfuckers actually run on putting 16 year old high school kids and 90 year old grandmas back to work toiling in the mines. That's actually what you believe. You fucking retards.
>>71555005
The Clinton surplus is a myth and has been debunked.
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16
Furthermore, even if it was true, that would be thanks to the Republicans because congress controls spending.
YOU HAVE BEEN INTELLECTUALLY CHECKMATED
>>71555178
>a fucking leaf
>>71555178
320 million -94 million = 226 million people
Holy shit 2/3 of the population are 80 year olds and infants?!?
Even if that were true that is completely unsustainable when grandma on average is getting 2 million dollars in federal healthcare bennifits despite average income being 40 grand a year
>>71545473
>national debt has more than doubled since obama took office
Yeah, our economy would be in the shitter if it weren't for obama.
We'll let future America worry about Obama's debt.
>>71555005
Nixon administration was fiscally conservative.
Government spending grew less than inflation.
I have not a lot against Clinton because the budget decreased relative to GDP.
His "tough on crime bill" was very shit though, that's not what should have been passed by the congress.
The only thing his tough on crime bill accomplished was putting a lot of black and other poor people in jail and outsourcing their jobs.
>>71545841
>fLling for the wife's kid meme
>>71546752
>>71549495
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/THXOBAMA14.4millionjobs/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/THXOBAMA14.3millionjobs/
How much do you get paid faggot?
>better president
>kek
There are 9,500,000 Americans out of work. So 9,500,000 minus 271,000 = too many fucking illegal workers in the country. Deport the 12,000,000 people currently here working illegally, and you get a surplus of jobs versus a surplus of workers. A surplus of workers means employers would be forced to compete for employees. How fast do you think "full benefits" & "pensions" & all the other cool shit employers were able to offer in years past, but somehow are not able to offer now?
>>71555302
BAHAHAHA right wingers are such retards that they think that since Republicans never balance budgets, it must be fake when Democrats do it. Omg you idiots are actually this retarded.
Are you all like 5 years old retards?
You didn't know that the US was only about 10 years away from completely paying off the national debt when Clinton left office?
Jesus Christ. Full on retards.
Business: The Economy
Exorcising the US national debt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/380923.stm
Read the fucking 2000 budget. Educate yourselves. You sound like absolute morons.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2000-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2000-BUD.pdf
Clinton's surplus is a myth, Carter's job record is a myth, Obama's unemployment rate is a myth, Bush kept us safe, I'm sensing a pattern of right wing mental retardation here.
>>71547766
People are jumping n front of trains left and right. Jew.
>>71551738
Holy shit, why is every Sanders follower such an illiterate in economy?
>>71555736
1. I didn't post this thread
2. I make fun of right wing retards for free
3. Your links prove I haven't made a thread with this chart in a while.
Now you're complaining that I'm not even allowed to post it in comments?
>>71555940
>Whatever the RNC says, it must be true, because man, Bush might have been many things, but for sure he was a man we could sit down and have a beer
>>71553334
>Obamafulltime.png
30 results found
Since March 15th, all Canadians
>>71556223
Fuck forgot link
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/Obamafulltime.png/page/1/
>>71556270
He may be Finland using a proxy
>>71555389
Where are you getting your math? All you're saying is that you have no fucking clue how to do basic research on the internet.
>Holy shit 2/3 of the population are 80 year olds and infants?!?
No. Although you do know the baby boomers are a demographic bulge right?
>>71554518
Look closely at the chart. Educate yourself.
There are stay at home moms like Melania Trump. There are high school kids, university kids, Also not every single retiree is exactly 80 years old.
Are you some kind of right wing retard?
>>71556103
Why are you so against workers intereests and love to cocksuck the rich? What have they done for you?
>>71556110
>MUH SHILLING!!!!!111!!! BEWARE jidf!!!222
>>71553334
>http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/02/the-spectacular-myth-of-obamas-part-time-america-in-5-graphs/283674/
All-righty then...
>First graph: http://www.businessinsider.com/full-time-vs-part-time-job-growth-2014-2
>Data from Bloomberg (not that you need to see it yourself, look at the graph lol)
Discarded.
>Second graph: "Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, Nonagricultural Industries" 2010-2014
>Source: US Dept of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics
~1,600,000 part-time jobs eliminated over the course of 4 years. Missing from the picture is *why*. Of course, the article naturally assumes it's because they all got full-time jobs. Although it is also a possibility that these people have dropped out of the workforce instead of finding full-time employment.
>Third graph: Same as second but instead show part-time work as a share of the entire labor force
Drop of about 20%, where we went from 6% part-time to 5% part-time. We'll discuss this in the second post.
>Fourth and Fifth (pic related) graphs: Part-time work as a share of labor force again but this time going back to 1980, and a comparison between that and Civilian Unemployment Rate
This pair of graphs demonstrates the correlation between part-time work and unemployment, i.e. when people lose their jobs they grab the first thing they can to keep afloat.
Also this graph shows, between 2010 and 2015, a comparative downturn in unemployment rate to part-time work. This is to say, unemployment is dropping faster than part-time jobs are going away... which does not indicate at all a growth in full-time jobs.
cont'd
>>71555940
>https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2000-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2000-BUD.pdf
HAHAHAHA OH MY GOD WHAT A POOPIE DOOPIE HEAD
HAHAHAHA
2000 BUDGET IS UNDER A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS
THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT
OH MY GOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS LOSER?????
>>71556436
>Sixth graph: Comparison of part-time work for non-economic and economic reasons
>Source: San Fran Fed http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2013/august/part-time-work-employment-increase-recession/
Here the article claims that the reason that most people who work part-time do so for personal reasons, not for a lack of better jobs. Which is strange to claim given that not only does the graph show an upturn in part-time work for economic and combined economic/personal reasons, but also the San Fran Fed concludes:
>We have shown that part-time work is not unusually high relative to levels observed in the past, most notably in the aftermath of the early 1980s recession. However, while the availability of young workers age 16 to 24 in the labor force is declining, the prevalence of part-time work has increased in that group. In addition, part-time work has been rising among selected groups of prime-age workers age 25 to 54, primarily those with limited education. Moreover, involuntary part-time work, that is, part-time work for economic reasons, remains high. These factors have fueled speculation that elevated rates of part-time work may be here to stay. However, it is more probable that the continued high incidence of individuals working part time for economic reasons reflects a slow recovery of the jobs lost during the recession rather than permanent changes in the proportion of part-time jobs.
Which is where we return to the third graph, where part-time work went from 6% to 5%. Combine the San Fran Fed conclusion with graph three and two it becomes clear that the reason the share of part-time work comparative to the labor force has decreased is because of full-time job retention by older employees and a contraction of the workforce for younger people who are disproportionately stuck with part-time work *if they are able to find work at all*.
>>71556223
>>71556270
>>71556362
Why are you trying to ad hominem instead of attacking his sources?
>>71556223
>>71556270
>>71556362
Yeah I use that chart every time a retarded right winger says "MUH PART TIME". Shouldn't your concern be that you idiots are such fucking retards?
>>71556476
>being this retarded
Bush had a GOP Congress. Remind me how many budget surpluses he had? Oh that's right zero.
>>71555940
Stop listening to the 0 debt meme from the media. First of all, those "debt free" projections were just that- projections.They came at the peak of an 18 year bubble in stocks, low interest rates, and enormous economic activity. Clinton wanted to expand spending but ran into 2 problems, the first was the serious effort by republicans to balance the budget. Remember when the government really shut down? Republicans. Clinton also got stomped by the bond market, when he wanted to drive debt higher the bond market sold off treasuries and drove the interest rate higher which made more spending less feasible, clinton's own staff commented on the power of the bond market. So no, the president doesn't determine spending, he just signs the paper. He can recommend anything he wants but it's ultimately up to congress as the 1990s showed.
>>71556540
>>71556556
This guy has been shitposting the same charts for the last 2 months. He clearly doesn't care about arguments.
>>71547175
The Bureau of labor stat is artificially lower. Read this http://www.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/181469/big-lie-unemployment.aspx
>>71556916
I lived through that time. I remember how on top of the world the US was before Bush came to office. The 3 budget surpluses weren't projections. They happened. Everyone with a brain knows that. Yes no shit the rest of the surpluses were projections that were supposed to happen but Bush and the GOP decided to cut taxes, launch 2 Middle East ground wars and double the military budget.
>>71557123
How are they the same for 2 months when the latest jobs report just came out a few weeks ago and I got new charts?
>>71557123
Charts and sources are not shitposts. If he had the same arguments for the last couple of months, then surely it will be easy to disprove his arguments, purely by experience
>>71556760
You.Are.Fucking.Stupid.And.Are.Missing.The.Point
THERE IS NO BUSH OR OBONGO BUDGET THERE ARE ONLY HOUSE BUDGETS
DEFICIT OR SURPLUS, IT'S CONGRESS BEHIND THAT
YOU
ARE
FUCKING
STUPID
EL
OH
EL
>>71557174
Gallup thinks the U6 rate is the REAL unemployment rate. He can have that opinion but it's wrong. That's the UNDER-employment rate. There's a difference. And as I've already said, it too has plummeted under Obama.
>>71556916
Clinton's first 2 years were so nice that in the first time in 5 decades the congress (both house and senate) was a majority Republican again.
>>71557340
Great point Portugal!
>>71557425
for the first time*
>>71557380
Doesn't know that Presidents submit budgets.
>being this retarded
>>71557425
>>71557534
The economy was so good after 12 years of Reagan/Bush that Trump called it a DEPRESSION.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw&feature=youtu.be&t=193
3:13
BTFO
Nah. Bush did great until 9/11 and recession. The last time I did great personally was when Bush was in office.
>>71557380
>>71557340
The faggot will never admit this. He always ignores control of congress. He thinks that two years of Democrat majority in congress is enough to build a booming economy.
>>71557753
Apparently the pres submits budgets.
>>71557715
So were did I say anything about Bush?
I've already said that I have enough things to dislike about Raygun.
How am I BTFO?
During Clinton's time the Republicans got a majority in house and senate.
That was the legacy of his first 2 years or so.
>>71545473
>5%
My ass. Also, you do realize that the majority of those jobs are part time minimum wage jobs, right? ...right? They literally don't fucking matter, unless the goal here was to force more Americans to be reliant upon the system then well, mission accomplished.
Giving free money is stupid prove me wrong
>>71557423
------->CONGRESS
--->CONTROLS
------------->TAXES
---->AND
-------------->SPENDING
NO AMOUNT OF SHITPOST AND CHARTS CHANGES THIS FACT
“All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7
---------------->YOU
--->ARE
------>DUMB
;^)
;^)
>>71557220
I'm not arguing about surpluses, I'm talking about debt free projections at the peak of america's prosperity. Remember the 1980s when japan was expected to "own the world"? These projections never materialize and it's impossible to go back and say "this would have happened with 100% certainty". It never happens the way it's projected.
>>71557753
I know it was the 1993 Omnibus which RAISED taxes on the rich that turned the disastrous Reagan/Bush Recession around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993
That was a nasty recession. Worst since the Republican Great Depression up until that point. Until Dubya came to town of course.
The funniest was when Republicans predicted a Clinton recession in the 90s and instead the US had a booming 8 years of the Clinton economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdtU3UI-JoY
FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2010/08/10/173450/1993-quotes/
>Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)
I guess you forget (or weren't born yet) that Newt was turfed by his own party in 1998.
You also seem to forget that Republicans were far more interested in spending $100 MILLION taxpayer dollars investigating Bill Clinton's penis and impeaching him than doing anything about the economy.
>inb4 thinkprogress IT'S ACTUAL QUOTES dumbasses
>>71557974
Do you know why the Dems lost the Congress? Because Clinton said he was okay with gays in the military (big nono at that time) and they tried to pass Hillarycare (universal healthcare). There. Now you know.
>>71558116
What the fuck does this have to do with what you replied to? You replied to a comment about the U6 rate. Are you fucked in the head or what?
>>71558170
But Clinton did actually have 3 budget surpluses. We know what happened to the budget surplus. It was wasted by Bush on tax cuts, wars, defense spending, and Medicare Part D.
-Added $9 Trillion in debt (More debt than added by all US presidents from Washington to Bush — combined).
-Lowered "U3" unemployment rate by doubling the number of Americans collecting welfare to its highest level in US history (Those people aren't counted in the U3 but are counted in the U6 calculus for unemployment)
-Doubled the number of people collecting food stamps to its highest level in US history — 65 million (Greater than the entire population of Spain).
-Doubled the number of non-injured, working-age Americans who have left the work force to its highest level in US history — over 98 million.
-Created an economy that never saw an annual GDP growth above 1.5%. Seven years of sub-2% GDP growth in the Obama presidency — No president has ever had more than two years of sub-2% growth.
Worst president ever? Worst president ever!
How the fuck does this thread have so many replies?
OP is clearly, indisputably correct to anyone who was over the age of 12 in the year 2000.
>>71545473
>tfw "unemployment" actually accounts only for people actively searching for a job
Learn your shit libtards. People just fucking gave up and are whoring their gibsmedats programs.
>>71558597
woah, you're blaming Obama for the effects of the Bush years?
Ever think of joining the JIDF?
>>71558468
******************
*CONGRESS*
******************
(WHICH is controlled by the GOP)
affects what is TAXED and SPENT
WHICH plays A MUCH larger role on the ECONOMY than whatever OBONGO does using ***eXeCuTiVe OrDeRs***
WHEN YOU POST A CHART SHOWING HOW WELL THE US ECONOMY IS DOING
it's fine
WHEN YOU IMPLY THAT IT'S ALL THANKS TO OBONGO WHEN IN FACT THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS IS THE MAJOR ACTOR OF THE US GOV ESPECIALLY CONCERNING THE ECONOMY
it's not
YOU ARE GAY GAY GAY HAHAHHAHAHA
>>71547724
>stay at hoe wives
>>71547751
Welfare takes many forms. It's not just unemployment checks.
>>71547175
> 10 hours a week = a 'job'
> 7 months or more of unemployment = employed
> 2 or more part-time jobs = what's full-time work again?
>>71558597
I thought the congress controlled taxes and spending? I see, it only applies to Clinton, but not to Obongo
Also he came into office in the worst recession of the past 90 years
>>71545473
>a compound fracture is better than incurable cancer
Still don't want a bone sticking out my arm.
>>71558839
>tfw "unemployment" actually accounts only for people actively searching for a job
My granny should be accounted in unemployement statistics? Stay at home moms should be added?
Unemployment always only counted people actively searching for job.
>>71559070
I hope you have a fulfiling life outside of 4chan
>>71558258
I like how you ignore the H. W. Bush recession despite Congress' control. They also raised taxes then and it was followed by a recession. I bet you will simultaneously deride H.W for raising taxes and praise Clinton for raising them, with both having a Democratic congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1990
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/101/hr5835
>>71559999
YOU ARE SO, SOOO MAD :^)
>>71558570
I'm not saying bush is a good guy, he's a globalist like his NWO daddy. But the fact remains that congress decides spending and in the 1990s the republican congress did a good thing by putting it's foot down. Presidents don't do anything of substance when it comes to budgets unless congress wants them to. I don't see clinton as positive for debt because he didn't generate the interest in a surplus- congress did. I don't see bush 2 as good for surpluses either- it was up to congress to tell him no more spending and they fucked up. Republicans went on to lose their majority in bush's term. Now, obama came at the bottom of the market, yet somehow he's given credit for shit he couldn't do. If the fed raised interest rates(like they did at the end of clinton and bush 2 >>71557123 ) then the market would crash AGAIN. Even a small rate hike saw turmoil in markets, can you imagine if rates went above 5%? Would this be "obama's fault"? No, he doesn't control interest rates. Presidents can't be blamed for things outside their sphere of control. It doesn't make any president good or bad to have shit stock markets, presidents are responsible for their own actions and the areas of influence granted to them.
>>71560131
>>71558570
Are you going to ignore the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble too
Seriously how disingenuous are you?
>>71558941
>2016
Still the bush years
Wow
>>71556540
Because it's more effective than an actual debate.
Attempting to engage an argument just gets your posts slid with shit-posting, as seen here:>>71556436>>71556508
>>71558831
Because a bengin statement turned into shilling from the Bush and Obama IDFs. Exactly as OP intended, of course, they probably found some nice posts to cherrypick.
>>71559999
My point is that "unemployment" doesn't account for those who have lost employment, or are capable of working but just reaping welfare benefits instead.
>this Canadian again
Daily reminder this cuck shitposts constantly.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/gQqJJP3aZVvUeUQ_EGmuxA/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/K9NqVz-_ui56J4zUSXzXZg
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/cC-yHofLD4Lgjela9EeyPQ/
Stop falling for his bait and learn your file names.
>>71554926
>tfw the average tool and die maker hourly wage has actually gone down since 1985
Good thing the price of everything else has also gone down
>>71545473
only a libtard would get orgasmic over some random numbers the mulatto pulled out of his ass.
>>71561007
I know, I specifically wrote my posts so they can be screen-capped and thrown in his face when he fails to respond.
>>71560865
>doesn't account for those who have lost employment
Of course not, my granny that got retired doesn't count to unemployement. If someone who lost his job and is now actively searching for employment, then of course it counts. If someone lost his job, and is no longer searching for one, then he doesn't count anymore.
I get the crooked statistics. it's possible. But you accuse without presenting evidences. Go search the actual methodology for the stats. One thing that could actually screw up this stats is long term unemployment.
>>71561007
Charts and sources that are objectivily correct is not shitpost last time i checked
But when it's agaisnt GOP favorites, and it's not supporting RNC rhetoric, it's shitposting.
>FACTS AND STATISTICS HURT MY FEE FEES, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!111!!!!!1
You guys and Reddit faggots are two sides of the same coin. So much alike.
>>71561592
My only point here is that the word used is rather misleading.
>>71561482
I replied 69 times in this thread and BTFO dozens of right wing retards. Screencap that bitch
>>71561007
I didn't bait anyone. It's not even my thread. How are facts, bait?
>>71561592
>Charts and sources that are objectivily correct is not shitpost last time i checked
>But when it's agaisnt GOP favorites, and it's not supporting RNC rhetoric, it's shitposting.
>>FACTS AND STATISTICS HURT MY FEE FEES, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!111!!!!!1
>You guys and Reddit faggots are two sides of the same coin. So much alike.
Except when charts and sources are deliberately misinterpreted.
>>71556436
>>71556508
But hey, no need to pay that any mind.
>>71545473
Took him 8 years to drop employment to 5%?
Jesus christ he was a shitty president
>bush administration see the beginning of a bubble burst, with unemployment rising
>first few years of obama administration with high unemployment
>market finally correcting itself 6-8 years down the line
Yes, let's praise Obama for this.
>>71561908
> word used is rather misleading.
What do you mean?
>>71562196
So in what are the canadian charts wrong? Is the new employment heavily part time?
The charts are pretty clear. Unemployment took a downturn with Obama
>>71562098
Because they hurt consevatives fee fees, and it's their hugbox that the biggie meanie Reddit bullies haven't "conquered"
>>71561592
>that are objectively correct
Unless those charts are skewed in favor of pushing an agenda. Oh gee, those charts conveniently cut off right when Obama took office. Pure coincidence.
>>71562098
>how are facts bait
A FUCKING LEAF.
>>71545473
CTRL + F low bar
>>71562499
>Unless those charts are skewed in favor of pushing an agenda.
Show me how?
> cut off right when Obama took office.
We are talking about Obama, so it's not actually dishonest. We are discussing how Obama dealt with crysis.
If you want to compare raw numbers wit other presidents, then Obama would loose because he walked in office just after the worst recession in almost a century
>A FUCKING LEAF.
Meme your way out of it. That is actually pathethic. Could expect anything more rom a RNC unpaid shill
>>71562013
Wow man you sure B me TFO when you forgot congress controls taxes and spending
wow
im so BTFO
I cant even
even
i can
t
just cant
man you are so intelligent
you blew my cock
so good
it felt
i cant even
begin to phantom how smart you are
truly you are a diamond dozen
a blessing in the skies
i applaud you good sir
tally ho!
like they would say during the Victorian era
>>71562498
You're asking good questions Portubro. They keep complaining about my charts for months, but haven't figured out a way to debunk them. Because they can't. Facts are stubborn things.
Their only defense is that my 80 year old grandma is unemployed so therefore Obama is a failure and the economy is in a great depression.
>>71562498
>The charts are pretty clear. Unemployment took a downturn with Obama
I broke it down over two posts on how those charts and the article are misleading. And as a bonus, in the second post I explain how one of the sources actually runs completely counter to what the article wants to portray.
>>71562814
try meming the fact that congress has the largest impact on the economy because it controls taxes & spending
YOU GOT MEMED
>>71562498
"Unemployment" doesn't necessarily account for all persons out of work. (I understand mommy staying at home and retired granny)
>>71545473
no keystone xl, really dodged a bullet there.
>>71563080
You mean the do nothing GOP Congress that tried to crash the US economy twice just to make Obama look bad?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_debt-ceiling_crisis_of_2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_debt-ceiling_crisis_of_2013
I thought you idiots said Barack HUSSEIN Obama was the IMPERIAL PRESIDENT?
>>71552636
Bruh, Clinton agreed on deregulation for the financial sector, he allowed the shit to happen. Not to say Bush didn't push that along as well but Clinton was a scumbag riding an economic boom who opened the gateway for a financial crisis to occur. By the time Bush came into office he couldn't have stopped it, only tried to postpone it if he knew what would happen.
>>71562814
>unpaid shill
No, we're talking about "jobs that Obummer created". Show me the infographics from prior to 2008 and not just your cherrypicked data to suit your agenda.
>>71562949
HEY MAN NO WAR THAT'S AMAZING
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YUGOSLAVIA???????
HAHAHAHAH REMOVE KEBAB
REMOVE KEBAB
HAHAHAHA
CLINTON REMOVED KEBAB REMOVERS
KEBAB REMOVING SERBIA WAS REMOVED BY CLINTON
BUT NO WAR
HAHAHAHAHAH
BOMBING IN SOMALIA ON THE DAY OF THE HEARING OF HIS SEXUAL MOLESTATION VICTIMS
HAHAHAHAHAHA
NO
WAR
I LOVE PEACE I LOVE CLINTON
PEACE PEACE PEACE NO WAR NO WAR
I LOVE MEMES
POZ
MY
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HOLE
PLEASE
CLINTON
>>71562196
>Except when charts and sources are deliberately misinterpreted.
You mean his charts that end in 2012 and 2014? Not to mention begin decades before Obama's presidency. Whereas my charts cover Obama's entire presidency.
>>71562849
Your post is not very clear. I read them 2 times and i still don't quite understand your objection, either because i am a retard, or by ignorance. Also i don't understand your charts because i can't read them, again, either because i am a retard, or by ignorance.
>>71563080
So republican congress was responsible for 2008 crysis? was it responsible for the surge in public debt?
>>71563148
>"Unemployment" doesn't necessarily account for all persons out of work.
like the canadian tried to explain several times here. What is exactly your point? what is your objection with this charts?
>>71563317
>Show me the infographics from prior to 2008 and not just your cherrypicked data to suit your agenda.
Why is it any relevant to Obama terms?
>>71563289
>By the time Bush came into office he couldn't have stopped it
>8 years before crysis
>couldn't stop it
wat nigga?
>>71563499
You seem upset.
>>71563317
>Show me the infographics from prior to 2008
Obama wasn't president prior to 2008 you MORON.
>>71563568
>why is it relevant
Because if you're going to shitpost at least have all of your facts.
>>71563708
>Obama wasn't president
No shit. I want to see Obama's in comparison to Bush's.
>>71563568
>Why is it any relevant to Obama terms?
Exactly.
You think Obama's record is good? Oh yeah what about 1975?!
Checkmate.
Right wingers really are morons.
>>71563568
>So republican congress was responsible for 2008 crysis? was it responsible for the surge in public debt?
oh my god
just
oh my god
just
just
oh my god
just because i don't buy the IDEA that BOBAMA is the JOB CREATOR that YOU imply he is
I MUST
I JUST MUST
LOVE BUSH IT'S THE ONLY OPTIONS
YOU'RE LOGIC SKILLS ARE
IN THE WORDS OF ELEN DEGENERATES
AMAZEBALLS
>this thread
When the fuck did canadians became bigger shitposters than australians?
Let's be honest, if anyone post a blatant lie related to occupy democrats and expect to be taken seriously they fucked themselves up. Don't blame others when you've shown your faggotry from the start and everyone rightfully mocks you for it.
>>71551395
>/reddit/
Go back to where you belong you dumb fucking faggot did you actually read that post holy fucking shit?
>>71563769
The Obama economy has created 14.4 million private sector jobs.
The BUsh economy created 1.1 million private sector jobs.
The Obama economy has created 14x more jobs than Republican hero Bush.
>>71556408
>that tripcode
not gonna fall for it
>>71562013
Here you go broheim.
Have fun.
>>71562498
And for you too, since you were asking.
>>71563543
I mean the charts from the link in this post: >>71553334, which is your post. Haven't had the time to work over every chart in the thread, some of us only get to spend part of our day on 4chan.
>>71547432
It goes by percentage of the debt they inherited. Obama spent more than anyone in actual dollars
>>71563860
Calm down Pierre. You're going to give yourself an attaque de coeur mon ami.
>>71563902
It's literally one dude, huelander
Check >>71561007
You can also check the filenames/image hashes to see how much he shitposts.
>>71563966
>want to see comparison between Bush and Obama
>conveniently cuts off right at 2008
HMMMM
>>71547751
You fucking idiot. On welfare doesn't mean unemployed.
>>71563975
His charts don't prove anything. They start in the 1980s and end in 2012. What does that prove about Obama?
>>71563902
>>71563927
>>71563967
>IT HURTS MY FEE FEES, MAKE IT STOP WAHHHHHHHH
I didn't see a fucking trigger warning
you race baiting, milo-teir alt left, using numbers to lie faggot
>>71564201
Bush didn't post charts like that during his presidency cause his jobs record was shit.
What do you want me to do? I gave you the totals.
Bush had the worst jobs record since Hoover. I thought everybody knew that.
Here
Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
>>71564467
the dot com bubble burst outside the Clinton presidency, amazing find there, (82)
I hope your Jobs Creation Shitposting Job pays well.
>>71547175
Your shit counting standards dont account for people who are underemployed, such as graduates who work as waiters instead of in a lab because theres 1 job for every 2 STEM grads and those that work part time because full time employment is too expensive for the business when they have to pay out so much in benefits by law. These are signs of a bad economy not addressed by any metric as of yet.
They also flat out disregard people who have given up looking for work as well as NEETs, which defeats the fucking point of documenting UNEMPLOYMENT.
>>71564237
You tell me. You linked the Atlantic article as proof of quality job growth during the Obama administration. All I did was show how that is not the case according to the article, despite their intent to show otherwise.
>>71564882
>the dot com bubble burst outside the Clinton presidency
another right wing meme.
Way to prove that you're a 6 year old retard.
Most of the economic damage that occurred in 2001 was after 9/11 because Bush kept us safe.
>MUH DOT COM BUBBLE
Kek you right wing retards and your idiotic memes.
>>71564944
Obama didn't change the way unemployment is calculated. These have been the same rules for decades. Suddenly when a black man is president, all the numbers must be fake.
>>71547487
>>71565174
OBOMA IS GOD
HE CONTROLS THE ECONOMY
HE TURNED THE ECONOMY FROM BAD (KEPT THERE BY EVIL REPUBLICANS) TO GOOD
WHAT'S CONGRES????????????????????????????????????????????/
THANK GOD FOR OBOMBA HE MADE THE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
OBUMBA FIXED EVERYTHING HE MADE IT RIGHT
HE SO GOOD
HE BLACK MAN SO HE IS SMART WOW RACCISM DEATH MUCH??
