Links updated for April 18
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Thread for discussion of Syria, Yemen, Iraq, and Libya
>Interview w/ Assad
http://youtu.be/wELCDCPsw6M
>Thread theme
http://youtu.be/tsBKYMSr3YI
http://youtu.be/M7v4BDYa25M
http://youtu.be/guPow94nE9M
>Fratured Video
http://youtu.be/wU-yr4oPGko
http://youtu.be/d2v8p3xeAIU
http://youtu.be/KGejAgYj2Mk
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RECENT MAPS
>Aleppo City (April 17)
https://i.imgur.com/XKTwjBX.jpg
>Latakia (April 17)
https://i.imgur.com/hv7K6ME.jpg
>Khanasser (April 16)
https://i.imgur.com/lVTKocS.jpg
>N. Aleppo (April 15)
https://i.imgur.com/mhNTzQK.jpg
>Tel al Eis (April 14)
https://i.imgur.com/tSMVSFE.jpg
DEVELOPMENTS (April 18)
>Russia will continue to support the Syrian Army against terrorists: Churkin
>Syrian Army cancels the Palmyra-Deir Ezzor offensive
>Syrian Army thwarts another ISIS offensive in east Damascus
>ISIS switches gears to attack the Syrian Army in northern Deir Ezzor
>Desert Hawks return to Latakia after Jihadists launch major offensive
>Syria’s armed opposition officially announces ‘end of truce’
>Islamist rebels storm government-held towns in Syria’s Hama
>Jihadists begin massive offensive in northwestern Syria
>Syrian Army launches overnight offensive in northern Homs
>Syrian Army, Palestinian committees advance in Yarmouk Camp as ISIS, Nusra negotiate peace
>Syrian Army launches major assault in northeast Latakia
>Important Fallujah offensive expected soon
>Saudi Arabia prepares massive offensive in Yemem
Previous >>71334846
>SouthFront April 18
http://youtu.be/NyuV1GXXFuk
1st for greater Turkey.
1st for Assad
1st for Assad
Is every woman in/from russia a prostitute? Is life that shit in russia?
>Syrian #Rebel in Latakia mountains with Chinese FN-6 #MANPAD
4th for peace :^)
May our divine creator, the lord our G-d, bless us with this with this nation which we refer to as Greater Syria.
nth for Aleppo
>>71354966
Thank you for yet another thread, Minnesota-tan
>>71355191
did the Uyghur TIP jihadists bring these from China?
>>71355191
who could be behind this?
>>71355191
Now that would be interesint to hear how the story how this baby got into rebel hands
>>71354936
Jep that's the plan
>>71355318
>>71355340
Syrian qt's
>>71355402
I take the middle one please :^)
>>71354966
I heard the Moderate beheaders had launched several offensives across northern Syria. Will the SAA respond with brutal force?
>>71355402
Fugg, marry, kill?
Make your choice.
LtR - 1, 2, 3.
Thrad theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q2clJoVOss
Is it right that the Terrorists blew up a bridge in Hakoura and therefore couldn't advance further? Pretty stupid if true.
>>71355402
how did you get it in full size? that kinda botheres me, there is no show full picture when there's a bunch of them
>>71355792
I think this one?
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/722126134356402177
not sure if they blocked their own advance
shalom
>>71355232
Ebin
Post the rest of it
from previous thread
>>71355926
jew magik
>>71355509
Yes, behold the magnificent gains of the extremist Al-Nusra&friends fuckstains called "Rebels" by the west today
ITS FUCKING NOTHING
>>71355656
Cool song bro.
Don't forget to listen to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RodrZ2we_hQ
>>71356232
Here ya go
>>71355241
This triggers the Turkey, Israel and Cyprus
>>71356534
And this triggers all of you,
>>71355601
2, 2, none
>>71356385
I still don't understand why the government hasn't completely kicked out the rebels from latakia. They could have done so months ago.
>>71356534
Only problem lies in Abhazia and Sputh Ossetia constituting greater Armenia-Georgia.
>>71356823
Lack of forces capable of an effective offensive. All functional offensive operations are being conducted by "special forces" like the Tigers.
>>71356666
Amazing things can happen when your troops are literally ordered to die.
>>71357029
Just don't reply mayne
>>71356666
only one of those nations ended up partitioned.
Night /sg/
>>71357029
An efficient, concentrated attack on a prepared enemy always has casualties. Every attack order an officer gives, he's telling people to go die.
>>71357223
Good sleeps Chad.
>>71357223
I'd dig a duvet cover like that.
>>71357270
I know it's just the phrasing used by a Turkish commander in one of the battles was literally "I am ordering you to die." It was a joke.
>>71356666
>entire french,british military
they send colonial niggers
>kurdish military
those sandmonkeys helped you gyppos
>nationalists with outdated weapons
soviet equipment in that age wasnt outdated
you subhumans barely won against colonial niggers
>>71357223
night vlad
can someone post the pic of isis getting flanked in Palmyra
&
stay /comfy/
>>71356823
and from the Homs pocket
and from Daraa
and from Aleppo
and from northeast Hama
all that while
defending Palmyra
defending Aleppo districts
defending Dumayr/east Damascus
defending Khanasser
defending central Aleppo province
and while keeping in mind that al-Nusra has a LOT of fighters in Idlib province
Its just not that simple I guess, a lot of forces are tied up in defense.
>>71357578
>post the pic of isis getting flanked in Palmyra
the gif?
I've started to watch mirai nikki. Am I doing right thing?
>>71357460
>they send colonial niggers
40.000 britsh fags,60.000 french faggots 73 war ship,5 submarine colonial okey :DD
>>kurdish military
What is k*rdish revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koçgiri_rebellion
>soviet equipment in that age wasnt outdated
Thanks to our soviet bros
>you subhumans barely won against colonial niggers
Yes gib Konstantinopolis:DD
>>71357753
>Watching cartoons
>doing it right
pick one ivan
>>71357442
"Men, I am not ordering you to attack. I am ordering you to die. In the time that it takes us to die, other forces and commanders can come and take our place."
>>71357460
>>>triggered
>>71357753
I dropped it 5 episodes in. good premise, but I hate beta faggot MCs
>>71357866
Detected.
>>71357935
triggered maymay leaf diaspora
>>71357990
:> You are the eternal shit poster.
>>71357866
>that image
I've seen Japanese with less subtle revisionism
>>71357794
>fought for turkey, defected last moment
>>71357866
>toilet cleaning diaspora
minority in 2 generations
>>71357821
......Leaf.
>>71357821
Any way, nothing else to do.
>>71357223
See ya
>>71358343
>gypsy uses damage controll
>>71357935
>Leaf
Delet this
>>71358404
I want one of these but its gotta be an Ensign.
>>71358474
which ensign
>>71358457
yeah seriously. spitting on his memory
>>71358503
>reality
nice damage controll gypsy
I might go to sleep as well I guess
Goodnight /sg/
>>71358526
The Canadian Red Ensign
>>71358679
Night ranjid
>>71356204
piss off turkroach, we should ban all turkish people from /pol/ for massive shitposting
>#Syria, Deir Ezzor, 5 Russian air attacks on Senaa along with Daesh attacks
>>71359017
Bring it on
>>71358744
hows this
>>71359247
I am eternally grateful and you're welcome for freedom.
>>71359247
give me a template for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2F6pxKpk20
who the fuck actually belive this
>>71359366
heres my template
>#Syria Air & artillery strikes on Tell Mamou in southern #Aleppo Regime offensive possible here- to bypass al-Eis
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=he&lat=35.930205&lon=37.024956&z=14&m=b
>>71359562
total bullshit
>>71359562
Are they going to show the 10 kids too who died in Aleppo yesterday because of rebel mortars?
Or the mortars that are being fired into east Damascus at random?
Nah didnt think so.
>>71359562
POO IN THE LOO
>>71357685
Need killer robots.
>>71360310
MINORITY IN 2 GENERATION
>>71360435
1 Türk=100000000000000 k*rd ;D
>>71360607
:DDD
>>71359795
thanks
>>71360607
keep telling that to u'r grandson while living in exile from Kurdistan in germany as a 2nd class refuge due to türkish genocide
>>71360976
>türkish genocide
no such a thing :DD
>>71361254
keyword is yet. The day draws nearer.
>>71361254
>türkish genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims
>>71361602
maşALLAH brother
>>71355402
I dont give a fuck if theyre cute or not I still fuckin hate arabs
>>71361850
AYyYy.
how to fuck when dik is flacid
Advice?
Fucking ultimate question of man
>>71362007
DUDE WEED
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/722179632691298304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELcrqoXWQeg
Ahrar al Sham
moderate cannons
BTW omar turkroach kill yourself my man
Not even turkic faggot
>>71362293
>Turk roach
>Meme
I feel like I'm missing something.
>>71362293
t. butthurt roach
>>71354966
Start an /sg/ kickstarter NOW! There is a Su-25 Frogfoot for sale on E-bay. For just $85,000 we could have our very own armored attack aircraft. There is only 3 days and 5 hours remaining!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sukhoi-SU-25-Frogfoot-Fighter-Jet-/322075247517?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4afd2e439d:g:3nMAAOSwP~tW5yOB&item=322075247517
>A #yezidi slave girl in #IslamicState controlled Raqqa costs the same as a rifle.
https://twitter.com/ootzchakra/status/722190067326939136
Honestly, which one would you buy?
>>71363313
>frogfoot
AYY
MEMEMAGIC
Shame I'm a fucking poorfag
>>71362383
R a R e
a
R
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>>71363352
>3DP
The rifle obviously.
>>71363609
NEW
E
W
>>71356204
Some turk qts extra for you
>>71361668
i come from the lineage of turkish balkan exiles and see, we're not whining like the rest.
>>71363352
>slave girl
noice
>>71364903
fuck off pussy riot
>>71364903
ivan trust me you'll never be the same
yes
>>71364903
FUCKING TRIGGERED
>>71364959
R a R e
a
R
e
>>71363352
Depends, is the slave qt?
>Syrian Army cancels the Palmyra-Deir Ezzor offensive
why are they pussying out of the fight?
>>71364903
>id: olegay
>>71359795
thank you, dutch bro
>>71365429
I'm Ivan! And I'm not gay.
>>71354966
Hey /sg/ I thought you might be the best place to ask about this, so please bear with me.
I am currently reading up on where the Islamic State got their weapons, and I got curious about something. Most of the american arms are from Iraq or captured from American-backed militias, right?
Now as I recall there were instances where american backed rebels gave up their arms to the Al-nusra front or in some cases they outright joined them.
Now my question is; did it happen with Isis too? Did american-backed syrian rebels ever trade american weapons to Islamic State terrorists? Did some of them they join the islamis state? Or did it just happen in the case of the Al-nusra front?
If yes, could you source the answer for me?
Thank you guys!
Wtf stuid arabs lost our tenk??
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>71366079
>Did american-backed syrian rebels ever trade american weapons to Islamic State terrorists? Did some of them they join the islamis state?
Of course not. All the American-backed rebel groups were fully vetted by the CIA. That means that were trustworthy guys and giving them weapons could never backfire in any way. I honestly can't believe you would even suggest such a ridiculous concept.
>>71366501
I'm not asking about the groups trained in yemen in secret.
I'm asking about the other, more public ones, trained by the pentagon, where only the leaders were vetted.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/10/09/syria-halt/73662556/
>>71366843
My post was 100% sarcasm. The situation you described definitely happened.
Apparently SAA recaptured the sites in Latakia
>Massive Jihadist offensive in NE Latakia ends in failure
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/massive-jihadist-offensive-ne-latakia-ends-failure/
>>71365333
Because reaching Deir Ezzor was never realistic to begin with. It would take an enormous amount of resources to control 60+ km of highway that is sorrounded by ISIS on all sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDT0vAqbaKA
>>71367469
It's crazy how we've advanced enough to be able to watch 2 groups fight a war without being in danger.
Imagine being able to watch WW2 like this
>>71366938
I know it happened. I remember reading about it, but I don't know where I read about it, and if it happened only with al-nusra front or with Isis too, and if it was a reliable news outlet or not.
I need a reliable source to show the facts on ISIS' weapons to an idiot I know who thinks things like that don't happen.
He also thinks russia is to blame for the migrant Crisis but that is another matter. I don't even know how to respond to that one.
>Nusrats and moderate beheaders attack SAA in Aleppo and Latakia
>Obongo wants Putin to force Assad to stop "offensive operations"
10/10
>>71367469
*desert*
>>71367733
>He also thinks russia is to blame for the migrant Crisis but that is another matter. I don't even know how to respond to that one.
Ask him how?
That's it.
>>71363352
Can you go there and buy one for me?
what happened when i was away?
>>71367733
>He also thinks russia is to blame for the migrant Crisis but that is another matter. I don't even know how to respond to that one.
Just find a source from before the russian intervention that talks about the migrant crisis. Then tell him the crisis was there way before Russia came.
>>71368155
I did. According to him Instead of bombing just Isis Putin the evil sonofabitch bombed everyone indiscriminately, including poor Anti-assad forces and childrens hospitals and civilians in an evil plan to make them leave syria and come to europe to put pressure on us. Also he thinks Putin also finances the far right and far right media here to create artificial tensions and destablize us because of the sanctions we are imposing on russia.
This is actually an opinion of a semi-educated hungarian liberal. I wish I was kidding.
>>71365333
They had to redeploy troops to stop the nusrat and moderate beheader's offensive. The druze beast will have to wait more time.
>>71368620
>Then tell him the crisis was there way before Russia came.
>But remember. The refugees are fleeing from Assad, who was supplied with Russian weapons. So even before Russia got directly involved in was still their fault.
>>71366146
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>71368672
Dude.
Some highschool kids had painted Hitler and a Russian flag behind him when the Ukraine shit happened, someone went and repainted him to charlie chaplin the next day.
>le ebin liberals not even once.
>>71368672
Russia does allegedly fund some far right parties, but if those people think it's just Russia and not a reaction to leftist bullshit then they're sorely mistaken.
>>71368672
If Russian wanted civilians to get hurt, they wouldn't be going out of their way to de-mine areas that have been retaken from rebels.
>>71369241
I know.
A European parlamental delegate of Jobbik was caught in a scandal not that long ago, because he met russian lobbyists in brussels a buch of times. Also his wife is russian and he was educated in russia, so he really looks like a the stereotypical russian plant.
But as to the rise of the far right: Russia may funnel money to the far right, but it can't give the the far right the votes and support of the European people. The people supporting the far right is a sign that the political mainstream is doing something wrong.
You don't see that in hungary, Orban's Fidesz has a lot of support here because he isn't a cuck like most of the western politicans. Same with Poland and the rest of the V4, thank god.
>>71366079
All of those things happened, but you won't find it in the mainstream media. They always cover the asses of the rebels. I remember several sources that mentioned that ISIS bought weapons mainly from the FSA, but right now I only found RT.
>https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/259493-isis-terror-war-arms/
>The IS fighters told me: “we need them! We get almost all our ammunition from the FSA, and we also get weapons from FSA, and we get weapons from Kurds, and we hope that you will send a lot of weapons to the Kurds because we can, in the end, buy them on the market.”
Also check this, they turned a blind eye or indirectly supported ISIS in this cases:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/10/former_dia_chief_michael_flynn_says_rise_of_isis_was_willful_decision_of_us_government.html
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/31/how-us-backed-war-on-syria-helped-isis/
>>71370071
Thank you!
>>71363313
Poor, castrated SU-25 makes me sad. Just finish him.
>>71369975
>Same with Poland
Our government is only decent in one regard: when it comes to fighting leftist bs inside the country.
They won't however deny refugees (claiming the previous govt promised) and won't openly oppose EU in most cases.
They're also hugely, cripplingly incompetent in every regard, form economy to diplomacy.
They're a fucking bootleg taiwanese version of Fidesz.
I'm glad a more right wing nationalistic party won this time, but these people are 100% pure retards.
No homo but Assad's son is a qt
>>71370445
It takes time to grow less retarded while in government.
Our governing party won in 2010 because the socialist government almost bankrupted the State. Fidesz "fixed" the problem by nationalizing private pensions again, and spent the money on appeasing our creditors. Later they did some reforms that helped with economic growth, and now we are doing much better, but we have the unsustainable state pension problem to look forward to again.
Still, even with a lot of retarded policies the last six years of Fidesz was a welcome improvement to eight years of socialist rampage.
Still, the socialist party would let the fugees in
>>71371144
I wonder how many bodyguards had to run the marathon around him to protect him.
>>71371353
Nigger they were the opposition since 2008, and already ruled with equal incompetence in 2006-2007.
They don't have ANY people of quality. They're a worthless bunch of morons whose only redeeming facet is that they aren't in fact cultural marxists, at least openly.
>>71371144
Does he normally live in Damascus or does he live in Russia? If I were Assad I'd want my kids out of the country.
>>71366146
It seem it only lost one eye.
>>71371144
>no homo
>>71366146
How did they manage that?
>>71371615
Some poles here praised them profusely. I don't know too much about them desu.
Only thing I know for sure is they aren't that popular with the EU at the moment. I assumed it was the same baseless EU bullying we got when Fidesz changed our constitution and media laws.
They also suspended the refugee import indefinatly because of brussels. That was something I found politically sound.
>>71371862
>>71371862
You can join us in our traditional Turkish folk dance
Captured terrorist takes some free yoga lessons
>>71371756
That's wouldn't be good move. Imagine leader hiding his loved ones in another country while making your loved ones stay there and fight for him.
Besides, it will show lack of confidence in himself and in people that support him. Huge blow to morale.
>>71372348
south carolina
>>71372599
I don't like circlejerk
>>71355174
yes
>>71372614
*cringes*
>>71366079
maybe something from this links can help you. but I don't remember that Isis traded with FSA or other 'moderate' beheaders
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/07/08/us-backed-moderate-free-syrian-army-factions-join-islamic-state-terror-group/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726
https://en.zamanalwsl.net/readNews.php?id=5696
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html
>>71371817
and part of face too, lol
>>71372030
It not yet officially confirmed, but it seems like the last time the crew jumped out of the tank after ATGM hit him.
>>71372095
Basically, they got into power via promising giant gibmedats. Some of them are now in effect, and will cost us ~4bil euro in the first year, and more in the next years. That's with a budget of ~87bil euro and ~13bil deficit.
Next ones, if they ever pass, will crash our economy with no survivors. Budget for this year is wobbly as shit because they will have to appease the miners, and that'll cost us again an arm and a leg. Next year will be awful. We managed to have a one-time injection of like 3bil euro this year, and all of it goes to gibmedats.
Their brilliant idea to stop the banks from earning unfair amounts of dosh was to tax them on all of their capital, which already caused layoffs and increased tariffs. I actually have to pay for my credit card now. They claimed that the only state-owned bank won't do it so there'll be competition, but then that bank was the first to raise the margins, causing severe butthurt.
Next on is a tax on trade. Aimed at supermarkets, but unfortunately they can easily dodge it, and every and all attempt so far at creating a law that will make them unable to dodge it created a monster that also hits small retail. That bill, like the banking bill, has a note that the shops aren't allowed to move this tax to their customers, which they of course will because how the fuck are you going to decide why they raised prices or fucked their suppliers over. This also includes higher tax on sunday, for reasons unknown.
Our diplomacy is in shambles, high ranking generals left the army because our current defense minister alleged he'll fire them, and the brilliant plan to stop Russia from attacking us is guerilla style units. Which aren't allowed to train with real weapons inna woods. They got a truck (one) though from the army.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
>>71373254
Thanks Russiabro!
>>71373060
Did you recognise your fuckbuddy? I'm sorry roach..
>>71373340
My condolences Polandbro, I hope you'll ride this out and can reverse the stupidity.
Still thiskind of retardation can be fixed with time and effort, unlike the western retardation of being cucked out of your own nation, like with Germany.
So how much longer do you guys think we will have to wait for something to actually happen?
Should I make youtube playlist with MGs songs and nasheeds y/n
>>71372614
Sick pants
>>71374771
I'm just as annoyed as you are. I haven't posted on /sg/ since the breakthrough North of Aleppo pre-ceasefire.
>>71374909
go ahead. use the songs in the pastebin
>>71372614
Why does he have Norway Camo pants?
>>71375353
>>71375353
Okay, some songs will be from soundtrack of MGS, not terribly original but should get the job done. Might be a few days until I finish but I'll post it in /sg/ when finished.
>>71374771
Turkish invasion into Syrian
>>71375532
so... never?
>>71375532
syria*
>>71374771
I've not been to the thread in a few days to "pool" happenings, but nothing happening still. If we're in the eye of the storm, it's a pretty big fucking eye.
>>71375415
>not recognizing Belgian Jigsaw
pleb
>>71375415
Dutch.
I'll probably just check back in a few days again.
>>71375647
Hmm nice digits I think our army waits to be finished anti-terror operations in Turkeys southeastern after that we will invade XD
>>71375866
>Constantinople when?
:DD really
>>71375866
I think I will share one happening that seems to be the sign of the times:
https://syria360.wordpress.com/2016/04/15/syria-360/
Syria360 is deactivating, and the main guy will now be focusing on happenings in Libya (I believe there is a sister blog similarly named Libya360).
>>71375915
it's your delusions of grandure
>>71375415
It's Belgian Jigsaw
>>71375951
Right now motherfucker
>>71376390
Did you guys mindbreak >Never these past few days? His posts have started becoming less annoying, and more... meaningless.
>>71376590
BRING IT ON I WANT A HAPPENINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
DO IT PLS US INVADE US
>>71375915
Behold the might of the Turkish Army
>>71376720
OKKKAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQYKjt86L4k
I love you /sg/, even if you are mostly russiaboos.
>>71376943
Anon, take this to /k/.
>>71376989
:DDDD kek remove kebab reclaim our land!
>>71376943
>>71377064
The Turk is right though, the only advantage the m1 would have would be in a firing exchange with an m48
>>71377271
So you're proxying and pretending to be a Turk. Well that's just autistic.
>>71364903
source?
>>71378030
I can assure you, that is absolutely not the case
>>71376943
this is the most retarded thing i've ever seen
I-I dont even have words.
>>71378525
;3 thread theme!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koyqjbDMiNs
>Syrian Army officially repels Jund Al-Aqsa at Hakoura in Al-#Ghaab
https://twitter.com/TheArabSource/status/722234084542390272
>>71378039
so no one is gonna give me a name?
>>71378525
That's the magic of Pierre Sprey.: the world's foremost pretend military analyst.
>>71378620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAXZLLArSVk
real thread theme
>>71378830
GITS, you newfag. SAC, if I recall correctly.
>>71378830
FugG Off Ya GitS
Made a small playlist, mostly Syrian, Iranian, Hezbollah nasheeds/songs, only two non-related songs (from MGS). It's NOT finished by any means but it's something to work with. I'll be adding/rearranging over the next few days. These songs come from /sg/ and my own personal likes/favorites.
I'll take suggestions of songs to add.
I will change the title in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLovu1VmQTPnVyVfAhQqNurlKCYTO6UCHo
goodnight from anon
>>71378518
how could anyone in their right mind think that the incredibly stupid oversimplification of an "infogrpah" is correct?
>what is armor type
>what is ammo type
>what is cannon size
>what is shell velocity
>what is crew protection
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=29
>>71379108
kek, you m1 fags are almost as desperate as the f35 shills
>>71379108
Pierre Sprey is the guy who is pushing for an overhaul of US military doctrine (same guy who shills for the A-10 and anti-F35, etc etc), and in his new doctrine, the M48 may well perform better than the expensive M1.
>>71379314
The thing is penetrated by M72 LAWs, it's fucking ridiculous to claim that the M48 could outperform the M1A2.
>>71379108
>
dude m48 is better than m1 joke.
http://pogoarchives.org/labyrinth/09/07.pdf
Been weeks since I have been on this general, why the hell do the ISIS have TOWs?
>400 people died drowning.
>>71379395
Depends on the doctrine.
I don't really know what the Sprey guy was pushing for, but if he's after a doctrine similar to WW2 tank army concentration, then pretty much only the m48 can fill that role.
As I said - it depends.
>>71379308
>>71379314
>it's faster and reloads quicker, therefore it's better
come on fellas you guys are better than this. the M1 could outclass the M48 easily in the battlefield.
>>71379414
>P-51
>best fighter of WW2
AHAHAHAHAHAH. see pic related
>>71379414
>p-51
>best ww2 fighter
nice meme
>>71379629
The Tiger far outclassed the m4 sherman in the battlefield.
Again, doctrine.
>>71379314
Sprey is the master of IRL /k/ shitposting.
>>71379759
kek
>>71379629
:D i didn't say that
>>71379582
>Depends on the doctrine.
In what kind of ridiculous joke of a doctrine would the M48 Patton be superior to M1A2s in modern doctrine? The Patton is so ridiculously weak it can be destroyed by decades old squad-level AT weaponry.
>>71379683
That's right. We all know that the P-38 was the real deal.
>>71379629
but it's kinda true in some of the points, like in the manufacturing costs. Obviusly old technology it's cheaper and easier to makethan newer
>>71379699
that's a false equivalence.
>>71379883
KEK
>>71379883
Actually if you tell me this I could accept it. For some reason the pilots loved the p-38, but I never liked heavy fighters
>>71379881
It could also be produced much after (and cheaper) than the M1.
>>71379946
Reveal how it is false.
WE HAVE BASED 2000 M48
>>71380032
*faster
>>71380080
I think the real point people are missing is the cost effectiveness, Turkey can field far more m48s than they could m1s
>>71380235
Yep,see iraq losers
>>71380032
And destroyed by weaponry tens of thousands times cheaper than it. The tank can easily be frontally penetrated by the lightest of AT launchers. It's not an MBT of any value.
>>71380067
All of Pierre Sprey's arguments are based on extreme cherry-picking. For example, he claims that the Patton is better than the Abrams because both were deployed during the Gulf War and neither tank took any major casualties, so they must be equally effective, but the Patton is better because it is cheaper.
The problem is that the reason the Patton didn't take any causalities (or at least not any major ones) was because Abrams were always there to protect them. The Patton was operated by the Marines at the time because they're the lowest funded branch by far (seriously, the Coast Guard gets more money than them) so they inevitably use the oldest vehicles.
>>71380067
Tiger's best ammo was tungsten and it's armor was cast metal with no angling whatsoever.
the Abrams has ERA+composite armor, and HEAT + KE ammo for the 120mm cannon.
>>71380560
Even a m-72 can penetrate it from the side (i'm not sure how the angle of the frontal armor could affect the rocket)
>>71380560
Depends on the doctrine. Look, you'll have t ask the old Codger himself what the hell he's thinking about. Why the fuck are you cunts trying to hound me into defending the m48 when I don't care about it to begin with?
could an M48 even penetrate an M1A2 frontally?
>>71380739
but he was talking about the sherman, not the abrams
LOOK AT THIS BEAUTY
>>71380770
The M72 original has ~250mm of RHA penetration. The Patton has 220mm equivalent protection in front.
>>71380820
Because you claimed a change in doctrine could make the Patton an efficient MBT, whilst it's a shitty outdated tank, not even fit for IFV duty.
>>71380770
t55 can penetrate it from the side
t72 is overkill
>>71380961
Who are you to say? We don't even know what the old man has in mind when he suggested that m48 > m1.
>>71381123
Because it's an MBT with the armor equivalent of an IFV. It's a massive deathtrap unfit for the modern battlefield.
>>71380820
The problem is that there is no doctrine where the M48 is going to beat the M1A2 Abrams..........or any other modern MBT. Even older Russian tanks like the T-72 would be considered far superior.
>>71380926
Tiger and the Sherman had the same types of armor and very similar ammo. the Patton and the Abrams do not. that was my point.
A Sherman could at least engage the Tiger, I'm not sure a Patton could even critically damage an Abrams
>>71381143
And what argument of mine were you trying to address with that?
>>71381269
>MBT with the armor equivalent of an IFV
at least turkey have a few hundread leopard 2s, you should see our MBT it's a marder with a 105mm cannon
were there ANY tank vs tank battles in this war?
>>71357753
Yuki Yuki yuki YUKI yukiyukiyuki YIKU YUKI YUKI YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Yuki Yuki?
mediocre show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKrWdPTnT6U
some cool footage of LNA forces raiding the Benghazi university. ISIL forces are known to operate in the area and there seems to be a truce between the two governments in the midst of Franco-German led negotiations, so it would be best to assume that it is an anti-ISIL operation. However with all the militias with differing alliances/sides in the area, its not safe to assume that is 100% the case.
>>71381447
We have 360 leopard 1 and 380(i think) leopard 2 by 2018 1000 altay
>>71381477
in the syrian war? I remember a video of a t-54 killing a t-72
>>71381641
B
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>>71381447
>you should see our MBT it's a marder with a 105mm cannon
>It has 50 mm (1.97 inches) at 75 degrees on the glacis plate and 32 degrees on the vehicle's sides. This offers protection against anti-armor shells from up to 35 mm (1.38-inch) guns.[17] The turret front is protected by 50 mm (1.97 in) of steel armor at an angle of 32 degrees.
Didn't Argentinia lose like 1/3rd of its male populace in a war once, or was that one of the other countries? This is fucking insane.
>>71381447
Well, the Argentinian Coast Guard did successfully engage and destroy a Chinese fishing vessel not too long ago. You've got that.
>>71381711
Paraguay
>>71381711
>Didn't Argentinia lose like 1/3rd of its male populace in a war once, or was that one of the other countries? This is fucking insane.
that was Paraguay, we killed (with Brazil) ALL the males with 13 years old or more
>>71381447
>>71381711
The Marder VTS1 seems to be good for ambush operations and highly mobile attacks.
It'll be your own fault for imagining it's a T-72 or something.
>>71381417
>>71381438
good luck getting though the ERA and then though the composite armor on the front of the Abrams.
>>71381641
than I posted the exact same thing a couple seconds later with clarification. dumbass
I past one of the most important test today, i'm so happy
SAA know that FSA/Nusra need to get fucked to kill ISIS once for all, we /Idlib/ now.
is there a good youtube channel with collection of ISIS and SAA vids?
>>71381921
yeah, we have a IFV version and it's good, but we can't use that same chasis as a MBT
>>71382027
check out the wordpress site in the OP
The SAA and allies are in one hell of a mess in Latakia mountains and the Ghab plains. Some villages and hills have been captured, a suicide BMP exploded a bridge in the Ghab plains, tanks have been captured by the Rebels, some SAA soldiers seem to also been captured and one Colonel, named Hassan Ramadan Maihoub , died.
This all happening right before that the SAA could have a chance to launch their new offensive in the region.
and
https://archive.org/details/IraqWarDoc
something for u guys 10/10 doc with awesome footage
>>71381447
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Argentine_Army#Tanks
>Light Utility Truck
>Ford Ranger
My dad has one of those!
>>71381921
Forgot image. damn.
I am, personally, a fan, at least of the Wargame Red Dragon version.
>>71381851
that's diferent, every descent cost guard have a few .50 cal in their ships
>>71381477
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqIPbJ_tbEg
>>71381923
>good luck getting though the ERA and then though the composite armor on the front of the Abrams.
This is the same thing you could say for the M4 / Tiger.
The point is, to get to the soft side armors.
>>71381921
It's supposed to be an MBT, but it can't even take part in a battle without being destroyed.
>>71381952
What is considered a passing grade in Chile? In the US anything above 80% is a B. Anything about 90% is an A. Anything lower than 80% is considered shit.
>>71382380
Well you're not getting to the soft side armor when you're fighting a proficient combined arms force that's part of a larger front.
>>71382277
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Turkish_Land_Forces
>>71382161
Well, FSA/Nusra received more weapons from the US/Saudi Arabia/Turkey but they lack of manpower still there, this is a desperate move to lure SAA to their territories and keep ISIS alive for more time.
SAA win in Latakia today and in Al-Ghab they can reverse the militants gains, after all, FSA/Nusra are stupid for deploying more manpower to the not-important fronts and for worse, breaking the ceasefire.
>>71382394
Are you imagining MBT's are some sort of invulnerable fortress or something? In the modern insurgent battlefield, MBTs are just a bit more than turreted assault guns with crosshairs on their engines, tops and sides for RPGs...
>Eighteen Kurdish militants killed trying to flee into #Syria -Turkish security sources
https://twitter.com/LBCI_News_EN/status/722247125501743104
>>71381477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0UWuMlVuQI
>>71382459
the scale is 1 to 7, 4 is passing but still in fighting, low than 4 you're pretty much dead. I pass with a 6,1, actually very high for the university.
>>71355191
It's gonna be pretty hilarious when those show up on roach patrol outside of Ankara airport.
>>71382591
>Are you imagining MBT's are some sort of invulnerable fortress or something?
That is what a modern MBT essentially is to ordinay infantry. With proper ERA and APS, the only way for infantry to reliably take down an MBT is with a top-down attack missile launcher.
>In the modern insurgent battlefield
Which doesn't matter for shit when discussing modern militaries. COIN is just pointless shit that never succeeds due to people wanting to "win their hearts and minds", when in reality they should be killing 10 of them for every one of us.
>>71382481
>>71382829
Ah, I see now. I was under the impression that we were talking about the modern battlefield. You didn't really let on that we're taking that sort of cold war/WW2 mindset.
>>71382380
I don't think the Patton's gun would be able to penetrate the Abrams from any angle.
>>71382940
Ah, I see now. You're a retard.
>>71382829
>the only way for infantry to reliably take down an MBT is with a top-down attack missile launcher.
Or you can detonate an IED under it
>>71382481
urban combat it's the problem
>>71382967
It seems the m48a5 is equipped with this gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L7#Ammunition
Though we don't have any numbers ( for obvious reasons), I think it's reasonable to think that it can penetrate the side armor of an M1.
>>71382967
maybe from the bottom.
But in a word where ERA, composite armor and advanced Kinetic energy rounds exist, there is no way in hell Pattons could ever replace an Abrams
>>71383289
So they replaced the original 90mm then. Okay. It's not quite as hilarious now. I was imagining the 90mm as being the gun in question.
>>71383248
AT mines are better for that.
If you don't have these you don't win wars. Heil Ukrania
Bakeries running?
>>71383515
>Leaf
What is the meaning of this?!
In any case, doesn't it strike you as weird that we're here arguing about the M1 fighting an M48?
I mean, they're pretty much used by the same militaries allied with one another, so the chances of that are pretty much non-existent.
They do have a prey, you know? Ragheads Jihadis. Old, rusting, badly taken care of T-55/64/72s.
I think that's a more reasonable line of argument since they're the ones who are most likely to face the M1/M48 any time soon, unlike the Finn who is still dreaming of retaking Karelia.
>>71383515
>leaf
WAIT, WHAT
>>71383511
But an IED will work, is cheap, and can be assembled in a pinch. Just pack a steel container with high explosive, seal up the top with a copper bowl and detonate with a cell phone or RC car control.
It is like a $100 solution that allows infantry to defeat any MBT.
>>71383515
WHO ARE YOU.
>>71383608
If you are curious aout the meaning of my name then just take a quick look at my flag. If you are asking about my message that is a based Ukrainian IFV. It is an Infantry fighting vehicle. It carries troops and gives them support with its Mg's and 40mm Cannon.
>>71383754
So you're just a namefagging hohol?
>>71381626
>>71382499
>spending billions on outdated MANNED verhicles
>>71383823
This is my guess.
>>71383754
>he doesn't know
>>71383754
How do we know you are the truth leaf?
>>71383907
>>71383895
>>71383891
>>71383823
I'm just name fagging Idk what you guys are freaking out about.
>>71383754
baking brot
>>71383907
He don't even know who leaf was
>>71384035
Fucking mossad
>>71384021
Damn. I just got out of the hospital yesterday. During my stay in the trauma center I met my beautiful wife and we had a beautiful child.
Should I change my name out of respect?
>>71384190
fugg u
>>71384318
Hey man I didn't know! I'm sorry!
How can all you tripcode retards support the WEAK Assad regime unironically?
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