Why not $30?
Seriously question.
More income = more taxes to pay for the "free" services he wants
>being against 15 dollar min wage
Nice shilling you got there. Maybe if you suck the dick of your boss he will give you that 25 cent raise you've been hoping for for the past year.
because liberals argue the minimum wage should already BE $15 according to labor rates and other pseudoscience bullshit they pull
>>71130861
Also why the fuck is a foreigner discussing our politics. Mind your business.
>>71131000
So why not $30?
>>71130861
we should try and make this a thing and see if the dems bite.
Why not cut taxes to 0% ?
>>71131015
Go to an American-only imageboard if you don't want people talking about American politics.
>>71130861
Min. wage here is based on industry.
>>71131000
why 15? why not 20? wouldn't 20 be better?
>>71130861
Seriously why don't we pay everyone $1000 an hour so we will all be millionaires by the end of the year? I think I just solved the economy
>>71130861
Why stop at 30?
You have to think that anything less that 2 Escalades, a laptop, and a smartphone per person is absolute poverty. That's why we should support the $50/hour minimum wage.
>>71130861
Pleb !
I raise you WHY NOT 75 $/hour ?
>>71131258
>>71131276
>>71131235
>>71131371
I'm quite serious though, why not?
Has any BernOut been able to explain this?
>>71130861
because he secretly knows that he's being retarded
>>71131000
I want $25 an hour. $30 is not too much to ask for
>>71130861
>make minimum wage $1,000,000
>everyone is rich
>record tax money
>paradise on earth
Did I just solve all of the planets problems?
I think so.
>>71131000
>bitches for higher minimum wage
>is a NEET weeb virgin who doesn't even comprehend what such an arbitrary raise would do
Why not pay people in cocaine and unicorns?
>>71130861
Why not 100 dollars, you fucking white richers can spare it, my babies need a ps4
>>71130861
no, we need $5000 every hour. no one will ever be POOR again!
>>71130861
why not just give people money so they never have to work but they just buy things
hmmm i wonder why that wouldnt work
Just print more money and give everyone an infinite amount, then we've solved income inequality
>>71131457
Yeah until you find out a Big Mac costs $100,000
>>71130861
This is the question I always ask a Libcuck whenever he proposes raising the minimum wage. Hypothetically raising the minimum wage to extreme amounts like $50 an hour, a liberal will almost always disagree with it, but will never be able to explain a logical reason why.
Once you do that, that is when you red-pill them on how the minimum wage in general will force the low-skilled and poorly educated out of the market. Works every time.
>>71131597
Because you are devaluing the currency by doing so. The dollar is essentially labor in paper form. If you paid someone $100/hr to flip hamburgers you would devalue that $100 to the point where prices would rise dramatically to accommodate the increase in perceived wealth.
>>71131457
Your economic plan checks out, but it fails to address unemployment. We should outlaw the use of machinery in factories and construction, so that greedy corporations are forced to hire actual workers. In addition, we should purposefully demolish America's highway system to create even more jobs building it back up!
Thanks, Keynes!
>>71131786
Yes zimbabwe solved this problem
All children are millionares
See black run communist countrys know everyone should be a millionaire
>>71130861
Because min wage must be set in tandem with welfare levels and rules. Min wage must be high enough that companies cannot use welfare to subsidise their labour costs. Nobody would work at the shitty rates/hours that many companies operate with unless they were getting welfare on the side.
Another way to do this would be to hit companies with fines/taxes for every employee they have that still collects some form of welfare payment.
Welfare is a key component in the stability of civilised nations. It is a bribe to stop the desperately poor turning to crime (and works best when levels are set with this understanding). Without welfare the risks of operating in a given nation increase and as such so does the barriers to investment.
>>71131969
so the idea is to just devalue it a little?
>>71132041
Zimbabwe did that they scrapped all the farming equipment and water systems now they are all millionaires
>>71130861
Sanders can promise whatever he wants now, he'll never be elected. He could say "if I become president, I'll bring the moon down to earth and balance it on top of the statue of liberty" and still never be proven wrong.
>>71132174
>you will never be born in Zimbabwe and wipe your ass with 1 million dollars
I will set the minimum wage to infinity dollars, except for rich people who will have a maximum wage of negative infinity dollars! Vote for me!
>>71132180
wellfare and minimum wage should be abolished
>>71131457
This is actually the lie capitalists tell everyone
>if you just work hard, you can be rich too!
What happens when everyone "works hard"
>>71131597
We can just keep printing the money
All we have to do is kill all the farmers
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP MAKING THE SAME FUCKING THREAD
IT'S LIKE THE 10TH TIME ALREADY
FUCK OFF
>>71130861
Because it has to be a reasonable amount.
It's not like they use a random number generator to determine previous minimum wage increases.
>>71131801
Silly goy, you'l just have to raise minimum wage even more if that's the case.
>>71132609
Welcome to /pol/
It happens every day. Just wait for the daily stormfront racism threads.
>>71132491
>civil unrest and organised crime intensifies
What is it about bribery you don't understand?
>>71132650
Every society is two missed meals away from revolution.
>>71132384
Im very happy im not born in zimbabwe
Theres hope for you canada bro
Trudeau just sold the gold reserve to jews
The same thing zimbabwe did before they started printing iut million dollar bills
>>71130861
Why don't we raise the min. wage to $1,000/second? This way nobody will ever be poor.
>>71132523
Work hard AND smart
That's like saying "what happens when secret animal on Savannah runs fast?
Some still die and some still eat.
>>71130861
$15 is considered the bare minimum wage someone needs to escape the "poverty" tag and to deny welfare benefits
He's looking for exactly the money you need for those kinds of jobs and living conditions, and not a penny more
>>71132723
So... you're just admitting my point?
The idea that everyone can benefit in capitalism is a lie, and that system is intentionally designed to make large amounts of people poor.
>>71131000
id like 50$ an hour for flipping burger pls after all mcdonald makes endless millions. if youre against it ill call you a boss dick sucker
>>71132650
>single mothers and illegals get mad
What ever will we do.
>>71131015
then leave
>>71130861
Diminishing returns.
Hey guys, don't we just print $10 million dollar bills and hand them out to everyone?
>>71132718
Great idea it has been successful in places like zimbabwe
>>71132976
Bush gave everyone $300 once. Then 9/11 happened.
You don't want 9/11 times 33,333 to happen, do you???
>>71132851
So we should reward stupid decisions? Why would anyone make intelligent ones?
>>71133078
It's stupid to destroy the economy and middle class for short term gains. Society advances the most when the economy is at its best, and that is when we have a strong middle class and consumer base. If you say people are less intelligent, we have to find a way to make them better.
You're saying we should deliberately sabotage society.
>>71133078
This is the basic problem rewarding bad behavior creates more bad behavior. Idealist are dangerous. You cannot bring the poor up by brining the wealthy down.
>>71132851
Communism "accidentally" made everyone poor
>>71132945
Pay more for policing, have outbreaks of civil unrest, have organised crime operating openly with an unlimited number of foot soldiers, runners and fall guys, a decline in investment as the risk measures for operating in your nation sharply increase, unrest in the higher levels of society as they are constantly the victims of crime and violence.
Welfare, when done properly, is the most elegant way of minimising these problems.
>>71132999
That kid is loaded.
Shhhiiieeeettt.
>>71133278
Who said anything about communism, retard
>raise minimum wage to $15
>raise taxes dramatically to pay for healthcare and college
>destroy the fossil fuel industry leading to doubling of energy prices
>regulate Wall St out of existence, drying up credit for the rest of the economy
>expand Social Security
>massive new spending on infrastructure
>already at 19 trillion total debt, annual deficits over 500 billion and interest payments at 300 billion a year
how the fucking is this commie kike gonna possibly make all of this work? Does he or his supporters realize how ridiculous this all sounds?
>>71133322
In zimbabwe everyone is rich
These racist white people can learn alot from zimbabwe
>>71133423
All those problems can be solved by importing Mexicans...
>>71133423
>Does he or his supporters realize how ridiculous this all sounds?
no
>>71133592
So u be sayin we wuz rich and shit?
Why don't you lower your minimum wages so that you can compete with China and make America great again?
Morons who say this dont realize small town businesses will hurt the most from this, cause they can't pay workers. Expensive cities will get by just fine, just everyone else is fucked
>>71133423
Dont forgot bernie wants to take more then half of food delivery trucks off the road
This will save fossil fuels as long as people get use to empty market shelves like soviet russia
>>71133697
How about we leave wages alone and make sure housing and food is affordable
>>71131000
Settle down weeb burger flipper
>>71133642
I think this victim culture is part of this problem too, poor me I deserve free money. It just kills me that the only way they can justify taking people's money is by demonizing the money " You didn't earn it, it was given to you" or the person " you're white so you got your money from salvery" it's dumb. Then they act like they have the moral high ground.
>>71131276
>2 escalades
That shows you haven't got the brains to manage money well... So no raise for you.
One large SUV is enough, then either a sports coupe or Aryan Super Sedan, depending on litter size.
>>71130861
My brain is to full of fuck to remember what fallacy you're using dutchfag, but $15 is what the minimum wage should at if it were correctly adjusted with inflation over the years. Also the idea is to have it be close to the average cost of living, so as long as you know to live within your means and not spend extravagantly, you can live off a minimum wage job. Also it would bring employees off government support programs like food stamps. Wal mart was extremely notorious for this where because they paid the minimum wage their workers would qualify for food stamps (basically a voucher from the government to get food) and then spend them at Wal-Mart making them more money.
As for the service industry replacing their workers with touch screen and machines. At best it will only be a partial integration since people still prefer to get face-to-face service. A few years back, I believe a Chicago based super market chain called Jewel experimented with increasing the amount of self check out lines but found that customers still used the manned check out line a majority of the time.
>>71132041
I like the cut of your jib, son.
>>71133709
Liberals truly are their own worst enemy, but will always blame someone else. 50 years of Democrat control in Detroit has only made things worse, but it's the fault of the racist white man.
>>71131440
Greek your people voted for a communist then had a day or two of no money in atm machines
>>71133205
>It's stupid to destroy the economy and middle class for short term gains.
What do you mean? Capitalism destroys the economy and middle class for short term gains?
It is LITERALLY the position of the Democratic party that everyone who enters the country illegally should be allowed to stay (even if recently captured) and given $15 an hour job just like any other citizen who's been going to work for years just to reach that level.
My cousin graduated from college with an accounting degree, he makes $12 an hour. My girlfriend graduated from college with a biology degree, she makes $14.50 an hour. I went to law school and make about $25 an hour.
Burger flippers and people who operate cash registers do not deserve, nor are they entitled to more than someone who actually applied themseles in life.
>>71134114
>What do you mean? Capitalism destroys the economy and middle class for short term gains?
You haven't been paying much attention to the past 10 years have you?
>>71130861
WHY PAY WAGE AT ALL JUST MAKE EVERYTHING FREE
>>71134216
WHY NOT JUST DECREASE WAGES TO $2 AN HOUR!!!?? SERIOUSLY THOUGH WHY NOT!?
The reason people ask for 15 and not 30 is because they see 15 an hour as 600 a week, or 2400 a month. Sanders is proposing a 30% unavoidable tax rate on incomes over 1,000,000 a year. You all must be to young to remember prior to 1987 these people were paying upwards of 40%. Recent reports show almost 1,500 millionaires currently don't pay a dime in income taxes because of tax breaks and loop holes. Granted there are 230,000 millionaires in the US, this is still a problem seeing as the 1,500 number only includes the ones not paying anything at all, not the ones paying less then people making 7.25 an hour. With this is mind even if you had to pay 20% in taxes 2400 a month after this plan this would come out to 1920 a month. Enough for people to be able to pay their bills, and raise their families without having to decide between food or their light bill. To make an equal amount of money right now a single person paying the base tax rate needs to be making over 13.50 an hour.
There is a larger wealth gap in this country then ever, and it was not always this way. This countries elite can afford to pay back into the system they benefit from, and that's what Sanders wants. He's not aiming to raise taxes on people making 100,000 to 50%, he's aiming to raise taxes on people making 100,000,000 to 30% from the 0%-5% they pay now. Seriously read into the Panama Papers, There are much larger firms out there doing the exact same thing on much larger scales, understand these people are using the biggest consumer nation in the world, taking their money and hiding it in other countries as to not pay back into the system that makes them rich in the first place. The enemy isn't the doctor who makes 350,000 a year its the CEO who makes 350,000,000 off the lower and middle classes then refuses to pay their share, the share that everyone else manages to pay.
>>71133980
Why should someone who has zero skills live a comfortable life off a job that was mainly for teenagers? People should be striving for better skill sets and trying to move up. What about the people who worked hard to move up in a company to get to 16 dollars an hour the past few years?
>>71131000
How's that career in burger flipping going? With a peasant wage at $15 you might just be able to move out of your parent's basement.
>>71134213
the economy is hardly destroyed, and technology has never been better and continues to make people's lives better
Just look at the quality of TV or smartphone someone can buy today vs. 10 years ago. That's just the most obvious example but there are hundreds of different technologies like this that lower costs and improve quality for people. That's why the left's obsession with "median wages" is bizarre. It doesn't account for the dramatic increase in the population, women entering the workforce, and the prevalene of two working parents. Overall Americans are a lot better off since Reagan/neoliberals took power back from the unions and wannabe socialists.
Why don't they just use use double the amount of water for bread dough, this way you get 2 loafs of bread out of it instead of one. Sure it would taste a little bland but that doesn't really matter when you do it with sandwhich bread dough.
If water starts becoming to expensive you can just use sea water. This way you also do something against the rising sea levels and you don't need to use salt for the dough anymore.
>>71130861
>Why not $30
Re-election
OP
Google 100 dollar minimum wage
Which gives you those articles trying to answer your question
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesheffield/2013/12/10/why-not-raise-the-minimum-wage-to-100-an-hour/#357451479bc7
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/02/why_not_a_100_per_hour_minimum_wage.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/1/sen-tom-coburn-why-not-raise-minimum-wage-20-25-or/
read them then report back to us with your findings in an hour
>>71134328
>the teenager myth
The typical minimum wage worker is not a high school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 89 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase to $12 per hour are age 20 or older, and 56 percent are women.
https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster
>>71134132
Maybe you and your friends not so good at applying yourself, if you're not rich.
You sure you're fitting in capitalistic society? Maybe you don't even bring that 25 an hour value, you filth.
Maybe you're better letting someone better to have that job.
>>71131457
>unemployment is too high
>be US president
>give jobs to those who don't have one
>>71130861
Do you work in a minimum wage job, OP? Do you pay your employees minimum wage, OP? If the answer to both of these questions is no,
>why the fuck do you care what the minimum wage is?
>>71133980
Walmart would just raise prices if minimum wage is 15
They wont keep prices the same.
>>71134376
>Everything is the liberal's fault.
>Capitalism and conservative are perfect systems with no flaws.
>>71131469
>all raises in the form of minimum wage laws aren't arbitrary
>>71134464
He's not saying teenagers make up most minimum wage workers, he's saying minimum wage jobs are the kind of jobs teenagers should be doing whilst in education. Trying to raise a family on burger flipping is irresponsible and shouldn't be done
>>71134319
>Enough for people to be able to pay their bills, and raise their families without having to decide between food or their light bill.
yeah, if they can find a job. What's gonna happen when unemployment is 10 percent?
>>71130861
thats not how you create wealth comrade
>>71134634
Are you really retarded enough to claim they are arbitrary?
>>71130861
>Why not $30?
>Seriously question.
inflation, seriously answser, the market will ask what payers can bear
wages rise, prices rise
>>71134319
If his idea of taxing the rich works like obama's it means everyones payroll tax will go up 10% even part time minimum wage employees
Obama raised everyones payroll tax 3% when he pulled the tax the rich bullshit
>>71130861
Because the college kids who support Sanders and have never worked an honest day in their lives are guessing that $15 is a "living wage", which can mean whatever you want it to, but to Millennials a "living wage" is enough to have a 1 or 2BR apartment by yourself, a smartphone, cable, and eating out at Chipotle every night and spending $100 at the bars every weekend.
>>71134213
Only recently have I started to pay attention to the economy. Please explain. How does capitalism destroys the economy and what is a better alternative?
>>71134132
And you see no problem with the fact that someone can graduate from college with a degree in accounting and earn $12? No one is saying "Burgerflippers" should earn more, they are saying we are all paid to little. If you paid to get a higher education and you earn $12 you need to be out in the streets protesting how very wrong that is in and of itself.
>>71134464
Hmm, I will have to look into the link you're sharing. I live comfortable off less then 15 an hour. I know exactly why i am where I'm at abd I don't think I deserve more. Most the people who are making low wages like me are making the same bad decesions. Raising the minimum wage isnt going to fix anything. I will say that the rich at the very top level is a problem and so is the federal reserve, but paying low wage workers more dosent fix these issues
>>71133980
>adjusted for inflation
>increasing the amount of money in the economy won't lead to inflation
>>71130861
Because deep down Dems don't want to pay people enough because otherwise they couldn't rage about all those evil one percenters keeping everyone else down.
>>71131015
Then leave faggot
Hearing the thoughts, opinions, and news articles from other countries helps make sure the us government isn't cucking us on information
>>71134319
and bernie won't do jack shit, the congress does what it wants you
STUPID FUCKING IDIOT
>>71134786
fucking this
>>71134641
Burger flippers are what people want. Free trade already shipped consumer manufacturing overseas. Sounds like our government though. Israel first, Americans last.
>>71134865
Obama tried the same idea
Congress taxed everyone 3% pervent or more
>>71134594
I just can't believe they'd want to return to 60s and 70s era policies which just promised everyone always-increasing wages regardless of effort or productivity. This led to massive inflation, crime, low growth, etc in that period and we are already seeing a return to that under Obama. Sanders would just double-down on it all.
Free market capitalism and socialism are not two sides of the same coin; one is proven to work pretty much everywhere and the other is based on false ideology of Marxism.
>>71131015
> foreigner
Your culture is Dutch. Your economy is Dutch. The Dutch settled the place where you live. The Dutch were always STEM master race. The Dutch have been Jewing you forever and you're not even aware of it.
>>71134786
Lots of through here IMO
>>71135050
Truth, auto correct.
>>71134786
Exactly. This guys gets it.
The only thing I hate more than millennials, are communists. And now they are combined in some sort of kronenbergian freak form! Two things I hate into one thing I hate should be better right? WRONG . They are all the same. People need to educate themselves.
>Gumper, who owns Lanesplitter Pizza, with outlets in Berkeley, Oakland, Albany and Emeryville, decided not only to bite the bullet but swallow it, paying his workers $15 to $25 an hour while eschewing tips or raising prices.
>Sales at Gumper’s locations have plunged 25% in the last few months, forcing Gumper’s to close during lunch hours at some locations.
>Gumper admitted, “The necessity of paying people a living wage in the Bay Area is clear, so it’s hard to argue against it, and it’s something I’m really proud to be able to try doing. At the same time, I’m terrified of going out of business after 18 years.”
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/08/17/california-15-minimum-wage-30-per-pizza-massive-fail/
>>71134842
It's true democrats are awful. Every single one. They're basically the same person. I've done the research.
Minimum wage is a distraction issue.
We should be talking about the lack of or difficulty in getting jobs that pay more than minimum naturally. How the Clintons and the Republicans have killed manufacturing sector.
>>71132650
The U.S. didn't have minimum wage laws until the early 1900's and had pretty minimal state welfare programs until the 1930's. The country had it's problem, but it's not like society devolved into a Mad Max wasteland. We industrialized rapidly during that time. Charity and mutual aid societies were much more robust before they were made obsolete by Federal aid programs.
>>71135258
this.
>>71135258
I'd agree with you if I didn't look around me and see people making good wages in various jobs; the idea that there aren't high-paying jobs out there is a joke, you just to have the drive and motivation to get one.
My brother can barely read and he makes over $60k a year because he's willing to work a somewhat hard job with cattle on a farm.
>>71134641
Which is part of the lie that's been sold that 'hard and smart work will get you into a great job the wealthy' Say people get a minimum wage job and everyone tries to use it as a jumping platform to get a better one. What do you think will happen when you have all those people get said education for those good jobs? In the end either the value of those jobs get devalued (Look at how nurses are treated in the Medical industry these days because of how the market is flooded.) or you still have people unemployed. Hence, even if you do everything right, you might still be stuck with a minimum wage job. Not everything is a burger flipping job, and people don't always have access or money get an education because of how the system is designed. Again, go into a fast food restaurant and see who the majority of servers are now. Bet you're going to see a lot more middle aged women then teenagers.
>>71134834
Compare the rate of inflation to when the minimum wage was increased, there is no discernible connection between the two. And even if there was, the implantation is done in increments as opposed to just raising it to $15 overnight so if by some miracle the prices of goods universally increase, it wouldn't blind side the economy.
>>71134786
As stated above with his tax plans even at 20% tax on 15 an hour, you would be making 1920 a month. The average rent in America is 900 a month. The average cost of utilities is 200 a month. The average cost to feed only yourself is 300 a month. The average cost to have a vehicle, and pay for gas and insurance, not even a car payment, is 200 a month. This leaves 320 a month if you do not have a kid, do not have a cellphone, do not go out and eat, do not have a car payment, do not use a gym, do not need to buy cleaning supplies for your house, do not need to fix your car when it breaks down, do not need to buy clothes, do not need to take medicine, do not need to feed your pet. an this is the life many people live everyday. Except they simply can not make it happen, they have no chance to make it happen because they are paid 7.25 an hour until them and 30,000 of their employees get laid off, and their companies CEO gives himself a 3million dollar bonus.
>>71131162
Pic related
>b-but I said "American-only!"
>implying we have commie internet
Fuck off
>>71135213
Pizza is Italian and Italians are basically communists anyway bro. I agree that. They shouldn't raise the cap but we shouldn't support commie food.
People should just work harder. Everyone is lazy. Especially millennials. "Waaaah I work 60 hours a week and I can't make ends meet or support my kids." Should've used a dental dam bitch.
>>71135258
Got to agree with this. Free Trade is a joke that only creates a race to the bottom and fucks the workers of America while exploiting the workers of third world countries.
Personally I'm going to vote democrat, but agree with Trump's views that we need to play hardball with companies that ship jobs overseas. The problem is, it's the Republicans and corporate democrats who are protecting them.
Just need to find a new foundation for money rather than gold.
You rid yourselves this way from the federal reserve.
You'd close the gap within a short time which will lead to economic growth for all classes instead of just the 1%.
Middle class becomes most important and in control again.
Implant basic income, keep democracy that isn't a puppet factory, likewise see decrease in arms trade.
Rather than going after neighbors of different ethnicity and religion, nations globally would focuss more on trade.
Everyone wins
>>71135429
Anecdotal evidence is the best bro. My ex-lib-cuck-friends used say that my personal experience wasn't everyone's experience and doesn't apply. Fuck that. My experiences are universal.
>>71135429
It is an urban voter issue.
You can get a job that pays $15 a hour plus benefits already. All you have to do is work for USIC, marking underground utilities.
We need to get the no/low skill urban labor out into the country side. Where they have lower costs of living and decent paying manual labor jobs.
>>71135591
>>71133299
In the late 1990s the U.S. reformed the Federal welfare system which reduced welfare recipients by 60%. Our minimum wage rate did not increase from 1997-2007.
During that same time, our crime rate went *down*. If welfare "bribes" and the minimum wage are the only thing keeping our society from devolving into a Mafia-dominated war zone, shouldn't crime have gone *up* while we were slashing benefits and keeping the minimum wage stagnant?
>>71135894
Hahahalololxoxox
I love coming here .
I wish I was as smart you guys.
Dank memes are dank.
>>71131457
>make minimum wage $1,000,000
>no one can afford to hire anyone anymore
>everybody gets laid off
>GDP goes down 95% overnight
or
>make minimum wage $1,000,000
>prices raise accordingly
>yuuuge inflation
>savings become worthless
>after a catastrophic readjustment people who used to make $70K a year now make $70B
>a big mac costs $6m
>everything is back to normal except the value of your currency went down by 100,000 times
>it doesn't even make you more competitive with exports because wages went up with the inflation
>>71136255
but at least our national debt would be paid off quickly.
though our credit rating would be awful .
>>71130861
Higher minimum wage = more expensive to hire people = increased unemployment rate
$15 is way too much if you ask me. Expect people to complain that they don't get a job in 3... 2.. 1..
>>71133423
Because they don't give a single fuck about debt. Why should they? It's not like THEY'LL have to deal with it. That's a job for their grandkids.
>>71131431
>>71131235
I'm honestly curious about this
>DOUBLING MINIMUM WAGE WOULD INCREASE PRICES 4.3%
Study: Raising wages to $15 an hour for limited-service restaurant employees would raise prices 4.3 percent
POL BTFO
BREAKING
TRUMP SUPPORTERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
HOLY SHIT
>>71136705
Read the thread as lazy as you are Im not surprised you support a 20 minimum. people are asking for enough money to live, not enough money to work at mcdonalds forever and retire in style.
>>71136528
>Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.
Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."
>Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.
Not true: A July 2015 survey found that 3 out of 5 small business owners with employees support a gradual increase in the minimum wage to $12. The survey reports that small business owners say an increase "would immediately put more money in the pocket of low-wage workers who will then spend the money on things like housing, food, and gas. This boost in demand for goods and services will help stimulate the economy and help create opportunities."
http://www.epi.org/minimum-wage-statement/
http://www.smallbusinessmajority.org/small-business-research/downloads/072915-National-Minimum-Wage-Poll.pdf
>>71136547
Well it's worse then that the federal reserve makes money and charges an intrest rate. So if they created one dollar and charged you 1.05 for it, the 5 cents dosen't exist you can't pay it back no matter what. It's retarded.
>>71132523
>What happens when everyone "works hard"
Are you seriously implying that everyone working hard will mean nobody can get ahead in some analogous way to the fact that prices rise in response to higher minimum wage...?
You realize standard of living increases with group productivity, right?
fucking hell
Why not $200?
Evil capitalists will fight this.
>>71132851
Capitalism is the worst system, except for all the others.
Kind of like Democracy.
>>71136798
>you support a 20 minimum
literally what
your post is barely coherent
are you on medication?
> raise minimum wage to $30
> massive inflation; devalue currency by 70%
> essentially pay off 70% of our national debt
> the rich lose 70% of their money
> pennies and nickels are phased out saving billions of dollars
> everyone feels richer due to psychological conditioning
> completely destabilize the employer's buyer's market; people pursue better jobs, wages rising becomes a norm
It doesn't make economic sense but nothing does. We already live in a socialist economy that pretends to be capitalistic. State factories or Massive corporations -- no difference. Look around and see mostly nice cars and everyone has a nice smart phone; poor or rich. Everyone is going to university.
The truth is; although we've become more cynical -- our quality of life has leveled out. More money does not improve your quality of life nearly as much as it used to. Of course, the rich will always have bigger houses, better cars, food, and sex -- but these are now only marginal improvements. Your old Honda Accord fulfills most of the daily functions of their Ferrari. Niggers and the elites alike are spending 4+ hours a day staring at their iPhone.
You guys don't like this system, that the Jews run your shit. Why not support anything that will serve to destabilize the status quo and waken up the masses. We're never going back to the simpler times of supply and demand. So, with that, support anything that serves to dismantle our current status quo. Stop being spiteful. Everything is going to be fine.
>>71134695
Remember you want to make the cuts vertically not horizontally
According to wageslaves $15/hr is just enough to live off of and buy a healthy dose of newports and beer each week.
They don't really strive for anything beyond that.
>>71136809
why 12 and not 25?
>>71136736
raising minimum wage only makes sense if it gets people off the government cheese. which leads to less government spending, less government debt, lower taxes, and more money in the citizenry's pocket.
>>71136513
true, it would pretty much wipe it out, and it would be effectively pretty much the same as defaulting
>>71136872
> pennies and nickels are phased out saving billions of dollars
Can we do this anyways?
>>71131457
>>71131801
Turn USA into Indonesia
>>71136255
I thought you were Indonesia for a second
Nice stealth system
>>71137147
forgot pic related
>>71136931
Posting from the Department of Labor since the official policy is to have it raised to $12. Sander's faction wants it to $15.
>>71136872
We can all tell you tried to blur our your cellulite, but it's still clearly there.
>>71136736
The biggest issue isn't how prices would rise because wages at the bottom would rise more than prices, the crucial question is the effect on full-time employment.
As in how many people would get laid off if companies have to pay twice as much for their low-wage workers. Go ahead and tell me making labour twice as expensive would get no one fired.
>>71136736
link btw
https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q3/study-raising-wages-to-15-an-hour-for-limited-service-restaurant-employees-would-raise-prices-4.3-percent.html
>>71136872
>Can only buy 30% of imported crops
>Starve
>Mass food riots
>Noguns are shot for their organic free range kidney beans
>All limp wristed fags and race apologists are unable to survive
>Nation emerges out of civil war harder, tougher and with a much smaller population
Im all for i5.
>>71132523
I believe the correct answer is "civilization"
>>71135486
>>>71134786
>As stated above with his tax plans even at 20% tax on 15 an hour, you would be making 1920 a month. The average rent in America is 900 a month.
You don't buy the average, you live in $400 a month rent.
The average cost of utilities is 200 a month.
Turn your shit off, now it's $150 a month.
So far I have an extra $500 per month.
The average cost to feed only yourself is 300 a month.
Buy the $1.00 hotdogs not the all beef jewdogs, I just saved another $100 this month.
The average cost to have a vehicle, and pay for gas and insurance, not even a car payment, is 200 a month.
Don't drive drunk, use the internet, hit a garage sale for tools instead of bar hopping. Fix the car yourself. Another $100 a month pocketed.
This leaves 320 a month if you do not have a kid, do not have a cellphone, do not go out and eat, do not have a car payment
I've got like $800 more than that...
, do not use a gym,
Lifting the wheels off your jacked up car on the gravel is exercise enough, YOU IDIOT LARD ASS
do not need to buy cleaning supplies for your house
bLEACH IS A BUCK A GALLON, MIX IT WITH WATER LAZY CORP CHEM BOTTOM LINE GREASER, JUST SAVED $25 MORE THIS MONTH
, do not need to fix your car when it breaks down,
see above
do not need to buy clothes,
NEEDLE AND THREAD, SALVATION ARMY SEWING MACHINE, $35 EXTRA / MONTH AGAIN
do not need to take medicine,
avoiding the BAR on weekends doing car maintainence means I'm not sucking down drunks and whores germs there, or at the DOPEHEAD CONCERT
I JUST SAVED $2,000 PUNK ROCK DRUNKEN FAGGOT MEDICINE COSTS
do not need to feed your pet.
GO OUTSIDE AND WATCH THE BIRDS FAGGOT, ITS FREE
an this is the life many people live everyday.
LOSER, LAZY, HIPSTER, CRYBABY
Except they simply can not make it happen, they have no chance to make it happen because they are paid 7.25 an hour until them and 30,000 of their employees get laid off, and their companies CEO gives himself a 3million dollar bonus.
>>71137219
why not 25?
>>71136863
>Read the thread
>as lazy as you are I'm not surprised you support a 20 minimum
a $20 minimum wage (you couldn't infer that seeing as you're the one that just quoted "why not 20?")
Couldn't come up with an argument so you had to attack grammar on a image board. lol. GOOD ONE YOU GOT ME
>>71136863
it makes sense if you read between the lack of proper punctuation
>>71134718
Are you retarded enough to claim they aren't?
>>71131000
Yeah yeah. Fuck the b0sses. But why can't that asshole give me $30 instead? $15 is too little. How am I supposed to have kids and send them to College with that?
>>71135969
>During that same time, our crime rate went *down*.
There are multiple far better fits for the recent downward trend in criminality.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health
Even then correlation != causation but at least this has a clearly defined and demonstrated causal chain.
>>71137299
Go ahead and translate for me, then. I never said that I supported anything and I don't know why this person is even replying to me.
This thread is full of dumbfucks
Why not $1000 an hour? Then everyone will be able to afford nice things :)
>>71137295
>barely-coherent nonsense--not the grammar but the actual language and content
>implying that I for whatever reason 'support' anything
you are mentally-deficient
jesus christ I don't know how people like you function whatsoever
you are a fucking retard
>>71137262
How did you come to this conclusion¿
>>71137362
k
>Read the thread. As lazy as you are I'm not surprised you support a $20 minimum wage. People are asking for enough money to live, not enough money to work at McDonald's forever and retire in style.
>>71136736
4.3% is less than 2 years worth of normal inflation.
>>71137278
You don't understand....
They don't actually want money or standard of living.
What they want is STATUS.
Which is why people in the richest nation on earth complain about "poverty." They are poor relative to Bill Gates.
>>71130861
So, I looked around and the gist of it seems to be this.
1) If the minimum wage was raised controlling or adjusting for inflation, then the minimum wage should at least be $10.10. 600+ economists, including 7 or so nobel laureates support this claim.
2) Additional analyses indicate that, after controlling for worker productivity, the minimum wage should in fact be at least $21.
3) As a compromise between these two numbers, people have chosen $15.
Various cities have raised their minimum wage, and it's only benefited them (~236 cities, at least).
Mind you, I only spent about 10-15 minutes googling all of this, and you could do the same.
>>71131469
>implying he knows any fucking different
>implying he hasn't been spoon feed the bullshit just as the dumbass above you
Okay famalam. You know so much about the economy and the Canadian economy is just wonderful isn't it?
>>71137278
> the Donald enters the thread
> Trumpsplains how he has decided everyone else will live
Go fuck yourself, faggot. Most of those numbers you pulled out of your ass to make yourself look important.
Pro-hint: You look like an ill-informed faggot pulling numbers out of his ass.
>>71136809
The minimum wage has to be low depending on the company hiring people.
If the minimum wage becomes $15, the company that might not be so well off has to FORCE their employees to work extremely hard in order for the money to go both ways. If the company has to pay more, the workers have to work harder.
The whole problem is that the company has to make a profit.
Also, if the minimum wage increases then the average cost of items will increase. Which means less people will buy those items because they became too expensive.
There's a reason why 600k easy teen jobs were lost when the congress raised the minimum wage by 10.6%.
>>71137353
You made no valid points in that post--all you did was post speculative nonsense. Where is your data? Your oversimplification reads like something straight off of some tumblrite's blog.
>>71137469
So you corrected the grammar (poorly) and it says the same thing
it's still incoherent babble with little to no relevance to what I said
>>71137262
>burgers are already massively subsidising local food production and a significant portion of corn gets turned into fuel or livestock grain already
>starve
hurr
>>71137447
Currency devalued, external prices rise because you are paying them with currency worth less. Debt stays the same, but prices change.
The US imports most of it's food.
>>71137493
>Various cities have raised their minimum wage, and it's only benefited them
It hasn't benefited them. It just looks like they are benefiting because their economy is still recovering and because the Fed is still pumping money into the economy.
>>71131000
/pol/ btfo
>>71134319
>30% unavoidable tax rate
>unavoidable
lel
>>71137577
And yet it is still not enough, criminal. Do a simple search, see how much is imported.
>>71131000
> wanting to kill small business just to artificially increase your burger flipping wage.
>>71130861
Check em
>>71130861
inflation
>>71131553
I wouldn't mind the cocaine. Not the Unicron. I already have a cat.
>>71137325
>How am I supposed to have kids and send them to College with that?
it's FUCKING FREE FEEL THE BERN
>>71137326
>from the website that claims guns cause crime and we need gun control
>>71133980
>last panel doesn't even attempt to make an argument
hue
desu I'd work for less than minimum wage if I legally could.
>>71131869
And right into welfare.
>>71131035
15 is the lowest number that provides a living wage in every county as defined by the economics department at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
http://livingwage.mit.edu/
Please use the living wage calculator to learn more. Thank you for your interest in American politics.
>>71131457
Thank you Karl Marx.
>complains he's a NEET who isn't given a chance
>wants $30k a year for washing dishes
>>71137262
> Can only buy 30% of imported crops
No, because we'll have 330% more currency flowing. Only standing wealth will be devalued. Besides, trade is bartering and we have plenty of agriculture exports.
>>71137620
This doesn't make any sense. Elaborate. Quantitative easing has nothing to do with the minimum wage.
>>71132810
15/hr is insane in rural areas like Tennessee. I did an internship making 15/hr during a semester in Knoxville. My rent was $400 bucks for a brand new 2 bedroom 2 bathroom kitchen living area apartment. My internet was like $50. Gas was around $2/gallon. My expenses were paid in one paycheck. I had 3 other pay checks to blow on drugs and invest. You think burger flippers would be able to manage that amount of disposable
Income? You're fucking a white male
>>71137982
>in every county
This is my only issue with it.
Shouldn't rural areas have a lower minimum wage than big cities?
>>71137914
>Bernfags want their buggerflipping wages doubled
>they want everything free
good thing they don't mind taxes being raised
>>71137526
>post speculative nonsense
Guess I'll spoonfeed you.
http://cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage1-2012-03.pdf
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#136492747cd8
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130924/business/709249720/
Of course you're just being a counter point for the sake of it. Good goy, defend your Jewish corporate overlords so they can accumulate more wealth and control.
Guys, how about... doing like in some countries and not have a global minimum wage but rather minimum wages that are negotiated for each sector?
>>71138211
You're one of those retards that think when MMOs add a few 0s to all the values it actually makes stuff more powerful instead of the numbers just being bigger aren't you
>>71137713
>food overseas does not have to comply with the same standards or have the same production costs
>be surprised food is imported on a large scale
Food production would shift locally if the marked shifted significantly. Massive amounts of land in the US are committed to agri production that is inefficient or not even leading into food because of subsidies and skew from competitors overseas.
If things changed local production would adapt and take over. Costs would increase (and be less stable) but production could keep up. It is instability in food prices that lead to the subsidies in the first place, but even during the unstable periods food demand was still met.
>>71137493
HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR THE SAME LIBFAGGOTS WHO SCREAM EVERYONE MUST REDUCE THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT ?
Thus the same shitheads can't keep their whines in sync.
>>71131116
Sounds good to me, man.
>>71137514
>Most of those numbers you pulled out of your ass to make yourself look important.
Yes, just like I pulled the tire and wheel off the car, pulled the bearing, and smashed the new one in with a hammer and block of wood, then pulled the extra $150 out of my pocket.
>>71138348
It's the fucking elite that are pushing for the increased minimum wage you mongoloid. Keep eating their bullshit and enjoy a harder job searching.
If you want to earn more, work harder. Climb the corporate ladder. Raising minimum wage means nothing when prices rise and small businesses can't hire people.
>>71139041
Okay, I'd like that logic explained, please.
>>71139068
That works for anyone, but not everyone, regardless of overall effort.
>>71138743
What does raising the minimum wage have to do with reducing the carbon footprint?
>>71132851
>The idea that everyone can benefit in capitalism is a lie, and that system is intentionally designed to make large amounts of people poor.
Look at this commie right here. Angry because he's such a fucking loser and unemployable asshole that no-one except other assholes will hire him and pay him an asshole wage.
>>71139181
>What does raising the minimum wage have to do with reducing the carbon footprint?
huh ? you give all the fuckheads more to spend they increase their carbon footprint proportionally
>>71138692
National Debt does not adjust for inflation, nigga.
>>71137278
> you live in $400 a month rent.
Impossible in many areas.
>Turn your shit off, now it's $150 a month.
Okay you saved $50 so far not $100.
>Buy the $1.00 hotdogs not the all beef jewdogs, I just saved another $100 this month.
$200 for an entire month of food is less then $2.25 a meal, do able if you eat unhealthy shit the entire time.
>Don't drive drunk, use the internet, hit a garage sale for tools instead of bar hopping. Fix the car yourself. Another $100 a month pocketed.
You're advocating that people not use insurance? Fixing your car was not the point of this line reread it. Gas and insurance.
>YOU IDIOT LARD ASS
man you sure know how to hold a intelligent debate.
>bLEACH IS A BUCK A GALLON, MIX IT WITH WATER LAZY CORP CHEM BOTTOM LINE GREASER, JUST SAVED $25 MORE THIS MONTH
What do you use for shampoo an body wash, and to clean your dishes, and to clean your clothes?
>see above
So if your tire pops, you can just fix that without buying a new tire right?
>NEEDLE AND THREAD, SALVATION ARMY SEWING MACHINE, $35 EXTRA / MONTH AGAIN
So you've never needed to buy new clothes because you can just sew together something. riiiight.
>avoiding the BAR on weekends doing car maintainence means I'm not sucking down drunks and whores germs there, or at the DOPEHEAD CONCERT
I JUST SAVED $2,000 PUNK ROCK DRUNKEN FAGGOT MEDICINE COSTS
So the only reason people need medicine is because they drink at bars and don't fix their own vehicles? Man if only all those diabetic people who rely on insulin had just crafted a new transmission out of thin air
>GO OUTSIDE AND WATCH THE BIRDS FAGGOT, ITS FREE
>LOSER, LAZY, HIPSTER, CRYBABY
got me again.
try harder.
>>71138272
No, it causes more problems than is solves.
There is a term called "race to the bottom" that describes the economic problem caused by separate states in America. For example there are laws protecting workers in rust belt states such as Michigan and Ohio. Health and safety laws which cost money to implement in a plant, severance pay, workers comp etc. Southern states like Texas and Tennessee promise big corporations minimum health and safety, lower pay etc and get more business on the back of workers. This strategy works, it does lead to more jobs in the south, but it also leaves workers in a perpetual cycle of poverty. We can protect workers every where equally by drawing a line in the sand and giving them all equal protection under the law.
Moreover, the counties and states with lower living wages are not that much lower $11.50 at the lowest.
Not to mention, the American people are not into nuanced arguments about politics. So you have to cast a wide net to get people's attention. 15 and done is a lot easier than "We will us a team of economist to design a plan that benefits the most people while taking into account blah blah blah".
Most Americans need arguments down to 20 words or less.....sadly.
>>71139473
Oh, that's an interesting prediction. Then to decrease the carbon footprint we should cut people's wages?
>>71138348
Whoops meant for
>>71137544
>>71137526
Have you seen how productivity is constantly on the rise? Even with technology as a factor, workers are working harder than ever and there hasn't been a meaningful increase in their labor value to compensate.
But yes, the other problem is human nature and the destructive nature of share holders to think that a company can maintain profits indefinitely as opposed to understanding there will be highs and lows where losing a battle doesn't mean the war is lost.
>There's a reason why 600k easy teen jobs were lost when the congress raised the minimum wage by 10.6%.
You mean in 2009? During the great recession when even during the recovery, there were still trade offs? Who'd have thought we'd be hemorrhaging jobs during and after a financial collapse? Also the writer doesn't cite any sources as to how the jobs were lost, or the demographics of those who lost jobs. He even spouts the same fallacy that you see the average /pol/lock shitposting here. The face he's the head of a conservative lobbyist organization, is not relevant, but interesting.
>>71139041
>'You're talking out the ass! No sources! Commie lies!'
>Post sources backing up every claim
>'IT'S THE ELITES AND JEWS WHO WANT THIS! KEEP EATING SHIT'
I believe this is what we call being 'blown the fuck out'.
>>71131000
Look faggot.
Increasing the minimum wage doesn't just effect people who earn $8.50, it effects everyone who earns between $8.50-$14.99
Lets have an example shall we?
I own a business that sells Glazed McGuffins.
I have 3 employees that I pay $10 an hour.
Each McGuffin costs $1 to make and sells for $2.
Now, lets say that I sell 50 McGuffins an hour.
That's $100 in Revenue ($50 of which goes to make more McGuffins)
So, for that hour, I pay each of my workers $10 ($30 total)
So I make $20 an hour, but I have to reinvest soe of my profits back into my business so I can produce Glazed McGuffins more efficiently .
Now, lets see what happens when I increase the minimum wage, all other things equal.
I sell 50 McGuffins
$100 in Revenue (half goes to make more McGuffins)
Of the $50 remaining, each employee gets $15
Now, I the owner, make only $5 an hour.
I don't make enough to keep the place open, so I have to cut 2 employees so that I can make $15 an hour. Now, my McGuffin production is way down and I can't even sell 50 McGuffins an hour, so I have can't pay my last worker, meaning I have to fire him.
And just like that, my once thriving business is in ruins and 3 people are unemployed.
>>71139976
DELETE THIS
>>71139976
Or you could ask a bit more for your McGuffins. Adjust the price to reflect reality.
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/exoaG2s.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>>71133985
>>71134464
>references teenager myth
>uses "20 years or older"
>Only 3 percent of MW earners are older than 25
>More than half of MW earners work in tipping paid service industries, with tipping not being accounted in MW statistics
http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/archive/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf
>>71137248
then they tell us employee costs are the biggest cost for any business...
suddenly when it's supposed to help libturds political lies, a god damned left wing uni comes up with total bullshit, and you SWALLOW IT LIKE A RETARD.
FUCKING FAST FOOD PRICING HAS BEEN GOING UP 20% A YEAR FOR SOME (OBAMA) TIME NOW YOU IGNORANT SLUT
A GOD DAMNED FISH SANDWICH WAS ON THE DOLLAR MENU, NOW IT'S $3.58
THE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PERCENT PLUS INFLATION
At least take comfort in knowing if le free shit man becomes US president and completely ruins your economy, the left will continue to blame it on racism/sexism/classism/transphobia/patriarchy/privilege/white supremacy/slavery/segregation/the boomers/the 1%/the bankers/corporations/wall street/still not enough socialism.
>>71137944
It was an easily digestible format. The data is what matters.
http://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscript.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13097
http://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412012000566
(you may need academic database access to get at some sources) For all the students there, use zotero and set it up properly, it automatically routes you through your university login to access papers you are linked to if configured properly.
>>71139923
Or build nuclear power plants.
>>71140097
And why would people buy my price inflated Glazed McGuffins when they could buy a box from Walmart for what I originally charged?
>>71139976
>all other things being equal
theres your problem
figure that out, and you might eventually "get it"
>>71140197
Because Walmart has a shit image.
And if your McGuffins aren't better than those bought at Walmart, but cost more to make, then that means you're not efficient enough for the market.
>>71130861
Our min.wage is $16. $30 is ridiculously high.
>>71139976
p.s.
that whole scenario only holds true if those variables that you hold to be immutable are indeed so, which they are not
>>71132851
The idea behind Capitalism is to simulate natural selection. It's a game, you know the rules, let the most intelligent/competitive people make the money and influence the masses.
Now, your position is likely that the game is rigged. Because some people start out rich; they have an unfair advantage. Yet, you know the sons of great rich men tend to be shitheads compared to their father. This is not a coincidence; a life of luxury breeds mediocrity. You as a driven man can better micro-manage and out compete the status quo; at least you used to be able to. It is your ability to start your own business that makes an industry more competitive and fair.
Now we are no longer capitalistic and the game is rigged. The elites use laws and political correctness to squash competition. Starting your own business is now very complicated and impossible in many sectors.
>>71140265
Right, so those people are now unemployed because they're not productive enough to cover the minimum wage. You're basically confirming that the minimum wage has a powerful disemployment effect, thus conceding the whole argument against increasing the MW.
>>71140097
>>71140220
>>71140311
>>71140196
Okay, so we move from being reliant on one pollutant to another - let future generations figure out the problems inherent in relying on nuclear energy?
>>71140311
Indeed, most of his costs will increase, which means his scenario is even more powerful, meaning the MW has an even bigger disemployment effect than he suggests in the scenario.
>>71140197
If you can't make better shit than Walmart albeit for a slightly higher price, you deserve to get rekt by the free market.
>>71140462
Before, they were only employed because they could collect welfare on the side. The business was propped up artificially by tax money. If that's good enough for you, grant some tax breaks or subsidies to local industries to retain the jobs. At least then we'd be honest about it.
>>71140519
If we can't have any kind of side-effect of our energy production, then there will be no energy production.
Of those available, nuclear is the cleanest and most viable.
I think that a $15 an hour min wage is the first step in communism. Essentially it would cause 80% of the population to be on a level playing field while increasing inflation. This means that good would become more expensive while wages would stagnate at the $15 mark. The increase in taxes would drive the government to implement for social programs and before you know it the country is tied down by modern bolshevism.
I believe the best thing we can do is apply a flat tax to all income brackets and corporations and add heavy taxes to imported goods. Individual competition is very motivating. Also, we don't need free education or subsidized education. Not every dumb ass needs a degree.
>>71132723
fun fact
my girlfriend is the sister of the guy in that picture
>>71140673
Granted, everything comes with risks, but relying on solar/renewable energy seems to be a viable strategy embraced by most people who are looking to the future. Staying on the current course seems like screwing the future generations for good.
>>71140633
Actually, before they were employed and able to live on the wage they had. Now they can't.
You've disemployed productive people and crushed a viable business. Good job, MW.
>>71139916
But when Trump says things in 20 words or less, it's a bad thing?
>>71140954
>Actually, before they were employed and able to live on the wage they had.
If they were on or near minimum wage in the US, rest assured, they weren't.
