>be middle class American
>make $15/h
>Bernie raises minimum wage to $15/h
>I am now lower class
This will fuck everyone making more than minimum wage at the moment.
Was this his plan all along?
>>71109674
He's a commie. Of course his plan is to fuck over everyone.
on /pol everything's a conspiracy...
I will fix it lad.
>thinking $15 an hour makes you middle class
>>71109674
so far so right, but you forgot to say why you're lower class now. Because in order to pay 15$/hr companies have to charge more for their products.
>>71109891
No they don't
>>71109942
if they want to stay profitable, satisfy their investors thus continue existing in a competetive market...
>>71109674
$15 is middle class now? I thought earning $50k a year is.
>>71109674
Wat
>>71110003
OR
they can not pay the suits millions a year.
the conservashit solution to everything is lower wages, longer hours, and prices still go up for everything.
>>71109674
>be middle class American
>make $15/h
That's not middle class
>Bernie raises minimum wage to $15/h
Actually your wage will be raised accordingly for the same reason that it was x% above minimum wage in the first place. It is even in the employment contract for most bit employers that you will always be making 150% of minimum wage for example.
Also stop using a proxy you fucking inbred.
>>71109942
>>71110170
>Bernie supporter spotted.
>Broken ass logic, no use of facts.
>Only name drop is "the suits".
Go back to school laddy.
>>71110170
That is an interesting statement, because it applies to actors, athletes and musicians as well. Their wages are determined by their market value no one just comes up with random high numbers.
FYI, you need twice that $30/hr to be considered middle class. And it probably doesn't even come with the benefits and proper health care plans that salaried employees get nor the job security. So counting those in, it's even higher.
>>71110388
aren't you doing exactly the same, pal?
>make 30k or less a year
>poorer class
>think you're not just because you're not making $7 /hr and work in a cubical
>minimum wage increase would be beneficial to you as you could earn more than your already low income
>What? I'm not lower class! Fuck Bernie, and I'm going to be rich one day so stop taxing the rich!
you can't make this shit up
>Flood the consumer market with excess cash
>not expecting everything to inflate
How you can run for a nomination and have zero knowledge of basic economics is beyond me
How does no one ever point out that a $15 min wage would destroy rural America that depends on teenagers working low wage jobs in high school before they either join the military, work at the local mill/mine/etc, or go to college? Are we just ignoring that Bernie would cause an internal economic refugee crisis?
>>71110496
you have no idea how entertainment industry works i see.
>>71110388
>n no dont talk like that massa gons get mad at us
>praise to the job creators.
enjoy being a house nigger tobey.
>>71110888
Yeah because the local DQ can't afford to pay more.
Oh wait they can, they just don't want to so higher positions can make more money to sit on.
If the highest paid worker in a company makes millions of times more than the lowest paid then they have money to spare.
Bernie was on Morning Joe a week ago and was asked what he had to say about the notion that raising minimum wage to $15 would cause small businesses to fold
He gave a largely waffley answer but slipped in 'and yes some small businesses would have to shut down'
The man doesn't even try to hide his commie nature. Even if he does get the nomination (lol) he'll be obliterated once the mass public see the tax increases he's proposing
>>71111000
A Wal-Mart in Seattle did the 15/hr pay raise, that was supposed to lift people out of poverty. What they found is that several of their employees demanded less hours as to not lose their benefits.
The "Lift people out of poverty with 15/hr" is a lie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3e9n6d/seattle_workers_ask_for_fewer_hours_after_minimum/
>>71111000
>every company is headed by multimillionaires
>meanwhile in real people land the local mom-n-pop makes just enough just to stay in business and hire a couple dozen local kids
Fuck that local businessman making mean's end. He should have founded a multi-billion company so we can tax him more.
>When everyone is poor everyone is equal!
Commies.
>>71111275
yes because 7 outta a hundred or so means we should not do anything to help people who want to work them selves outta low class.
you know like how americans did pre Reagan.
but now greedy corporations have moved good middle class jobs over seas because they can pay those people less and give them selves a larger bonus next quarter for keeping costs down.
keep on praising the Job Creators(APAT) im sure ONE day they will reward you for your loyalty.
>>71111571
Keep being a loyal pet to the government, I'm sure you won't be lined up against the wall when the revolution comes, comrade.
>>71111445
>it is ok to destroy the middle class as long as the Job Creators(APAT) get more money
>>71111571
If you're 35 and working at a DQ, you deserve it, and im not paying for it.
Im not coddling your poor life decisions.
>>71111617
Id rather die fighting for what is right than being a corporate boot licker begging for scrapes from massa.
>>71111621
>it is ok to destroy the middle class
Funny, that's exactly what Comrade Sanders is planning on doing.
>>71111275
>Seattle
Kek.
All this one incident shows buttfucked cost of living/rent is in certain areas. Mentioned person is paying 1200 in rent in addition to her 900 in childcare. Even at 15 an hour this is not manageable if she does not have people living with her to keep the rent down or anyone to help with childcare costs.
Personally, I feel people in such situations should just move. Go live somewhere where the rent is affordable to their budget.
But, of course, moving is difficult and costly for the lower class.
This article doesn't show that increasing minimum wage is a bad thing, just that certain areas make themselves barely affordable to anyone not upper middle class or greater.
>>71110338
>Actually your wage will be raised accordingly
yeah fucking right
>>71109674
>middle class $15
Lmao
>>71111693
and where are the low skilled middle class supposed to get jobs?
you know the people who built this nation. Massa Corprate moved 90% of the good middle class jobs to Pajeet and Wang's clay to line their pockets.
We have been sold out and you praise and protect the ones who did so.
good job house nigger.
>>71109674
Commy equal pay doesn't make everyone rich, it makes everyone poor.
>>71111835
Stop importing the low skilled from mexico and it be pretty easy.
>>71111716
what is really funny is the middle class has been dying for decades due to boot lickers and greedy cock suckers.
but you know keep on doing the same shit even thou it dont work any more.
>>71111901
yes yes because Jethro and Tyrone want to work in the fields picking fruit for 10cents a pound 12 hours a day 7 days a week.
it is like you dont know what jobs illegals are actually "taking".
Being in ATL theres 6-7 people on every street corner with the same nationality ready to do contruction, and you'll defend them
>>71112004
Well if you cut their welfare it'll be that or starving.
>>71111693
Why do you assume they've made poor life decisions? What if they were ill? Came from a bad home life and didn't get to finish school and couldn't afford college? What if they still want to go to college and are saving up for it by working at DQ?
Why do you have to be an asshole? You want waitresses at your restaurants, janitors to clean your bathrooms, a DQ worker to hand you your fucking milkshake. Why can't these people have some kind of security? Why do you have to have some superiority complex, why do you think making more money makes you a better person?
You could have easily been a 35 year old working at DQ. You could easily still end up that way. Try not to be a prick if you would want others to sympathize with you when you're down on your luck.
>>71111915
>Middle class has been dying for decades
>Lets enact policies that destroy the middle class faster
>>71112092
>What if they were ill? Came from a bad home life and didn't get to finish school and couldn't afford college? What if they still want to go to college and are saving up for it by working at DQ?
your straw men aren't going to tear jerk me into ruining the economy
>>71112092
>Why do you assume they've made poor life decisions?
Why do you assume they dindu nuffin and were just unlucky?
Statistics show that most poor people are poor by "choice", in the sense that they choose not to work.
>>71112092
Fuck off, I've worked minimum wage jobs in my 20s and thrived.
Not my fault these morons have 3 kids while making $8.00 an hour.
>>71112092
If youre 35 in the service industry, hysterically you've fucked up somewhere
All those people can do w/e the fuck they want, as long as they're here legally....how is that even an argument?
Making shitty life decisions isnt my problem, its yours. it becomes my problem when i have to pay for it, and im not going to.
>>71110170
How dare someone be successful and make more money at their jobs they excell at.
>>71109674
>Was this his plan all along?
who the fuck cares what this clueless old faggot thinks, he's not even getting his party's nomination LOL
>>71111807
>>71110338
>>71109825
Lower middle class: Semi-professionals and craftsmen with some work autonomy; household incomes commonly range from $35,000 to $75,000. Typically, some college education.
If my math is not wrong 15/hr translate to 40k or so annual wage (depending on how many hours you work)
>>71112077
or make the companies pay their employees a livable wage instead of relying on the government to pay their employees.
>b but Mr.Goldstien the CEO needs millions a year so it can sit in his account or so he can buy something that does not help the local econ in anyway.
>>71112341
Get your friends and rob those fuckers blind yourselves, you lazy little shits.
Bernie2016 :)
>>71112097
>it will destroy the middle class faster!
>because i said so
>so we better not try anything just keep doing the same shit
>massa will reward and take care of us if you are loyal to him!
>>71112341
Show me where those employees are in the poor house.
>>71112341
There will be no companies when they all go bankrupt because of moronic niggers who can't into econ 101
>>71112257
>they need millions a year
>because reasons
>>71112403
what is inflation?
Why has the cost of college gone up to such crazy fucking numbers?
It's almost like they want a generation of debt slaves....
Bernie2016 because fuck the GOP and fuck that criminal shillary.
>>71112329
$15/hr is 30k, but is currently enough to live off of everywhere except NYC/LA/Chimpcago, and in some areas is well above the poverty line and very much middle class.
>>71112488
They don't need it per se. But they earned it. Can you understand that concept? Of someone earning something and owning it?
>>71109674
Everyone will be equally poor, no matter how difficult the career. Welcome to communism.
>>71112486
170 renown economists would disagree with you.
Also our current economic system totallyyy working greeeeaaaat. Trickle down economics dont work.
Stronger roots makes a stronger tree :)
>>71112522
Explain to me how cost wont go up with an infusion of cash.
>>71112486
>if we dont pay the suits millions a year the company will go bankrupt!
the fuck
>>71112435
if they are not in some shitty neighborhood they have a couple of roommates or live with their parents still.
>>71112493
>>71112577
DUDE. FREE. SHIT.
LMAO
MAO
AO
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>>71112577
You're retarded and thinking in reverse if you think centralizing government power is making "stronger roots".
>>71112577
>170 renown economists would disagree with you.
Let's see their names.
Teaching feminist studies at a community college doesn't make you a "renowned economist".
>Also our current economic system totallyyy working greeeeaaaat.
No it isn't, because the government grew to astronomical proportions because of little faggots like yourself who are so stupid they're unable to function without government's babysitting.
>>71112257
How dare that somebody take their obscene amount of cash that they amassed by jumping through loop holes dodging taxes and getting gov subsidized goodies for their employees....and lobby the gov to further subsidize them and basically rig the system so that it works for them. Fuck everyone else do amiright? Crony capitalism is in right?
What was it, 27 trillion in offshore accounts???
>>71112587
I don't think you know what that word means but I didn't make any claim regarding the effectivity of Bernie's plan.
>>71112566
"earn" it by fucking over the American people.
>>71112684
>Teaching feminist studies at a community college doesn't make you a "renowned economist".
somebody broke down the 170 economists - mostly just community college teachers
>>71112613
Muh memes
Muh lack of counter argument
>>71112687
Wow, Bernie is racist against Panama. Fucking white devil.
>>71112213
>in the sense that they choose not to work
How does not working poor people have anything to do with working poor people? A minimum wage increase isn't going to change anything for people that don't work at all.
>>71112223
Because poor people don't get to have children? Because people haven't still lifted themselves out of poverty even with a lot of mouths to feed? And not everyone is in poverty just because they have other children to care for?
>>71112248
>it becomes my problem when i have to pay for it, and im not going to.
But you'll pay for aircraft carriers, wall street bailouts, and other shit we don't need.
>>71112655
No, i think your whole party including yourself has been thinking in reverse. look at the mess were in ;).
>Born into middle class family
>Dad was military, mom worked part time
>Moved a lot, mom couldn't work full time
>Have four siblings
>Not poor, but parents still told us they wanted us to do better than them
>American Dream
>Fast forward
>All kids are grown now
>Went to college with real majors
>No philosophy for me
>All siblings earn over 100k yearly
>I'm technically in the 1%
>No more debt
>Feels good
I think the thing libtards don't understand is that you aren't supposed to raise a family on minimum wage. You work hard and move up. If you don't have the drive to better yourself, you are unfit to raise kids.
>>71112684
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf
>>71110338
>It is even in the employment contract
Perhaps in the netherrealm but here your wage is regularly defined as a fixed number, not a multiple of the minimum, not even if you're just making a buck or two over it.
>>71112577
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBx4kKDHib4
>>71112684
LOL, you couldn't read into the sarcasm brah? of course it's not working out great. Thats why we go with bernie ;)
>>71112797
im not falling for your bait anymore, reddit
Raising the minimum wage won't mean shit under Sanders' new taxes.
>>71112800
and what you dont understand is the good middle class jobs dont exist any more. atleast not in the numbers we need.
and that your anecdotal evidence dont mean shit.
>>71112863
He still won't win the Democratic nomination :^).
But keep donating to him.
Its High School Econ, no amount of delusions will explain away
>>71112609
You do realize that a million dollars is a tiny amount in the grand scheme of things, right?
Let's take the example of Walmart. The CEO of Walmart gets paid around 20 million dollars a year. That's a lot of money, right?
Well let's do a little simple math (well simple for me, might be hard for your tiny brain). There are 1.5 million employees of Walmart. Let's assume that every single one of them earns right now less than 15$ an hour, which isn't true.
Bernie Sanderstein comes into power, and says all employees must get paid 15$. Let's assume that all walmart employees (except for the CEO) now get paid 15$ an hour.
This means that Walmart pays its employees 15*1.5 = 22.5 million dollars. And that's every hour!!!
If you cut the entire salary of Walmart's CEO, you can give 15$ bonus to every walmart employee. Wow!
You see, this is why I hate you berniefags. You're a bunch of clueless idiots, probably underage, who've never worked in their lives and gobble up discredited socialist propaganda. In short, you're moronic little nigger shits.
>>71109674
As soon as something like that would be brought into effect, the first thing these commie fucks will do is demand fewer hours, because higher earnings will push many of them over the threshold for being able to receive more government handouts.
Mark my words, people.
>>71113022
Niggers already do that by only working 16 hours, shacking up with another nigger also on benefits and hiding the fact.
>>71112695
If by "fucking over" you mean running an economy...
If you hate the "suits" so much, Cuba is just a short boat ride away.
>>71112725
Knew it.
>>71112796
>How does not working poor people have anything to do with working poor people?
There is no such thing as a "working poor person", if you exclude illegals of course.
>A minimum wage increase isn't going to change anything for people that don't work at all.
It's going to double their numbers.
>>71112821
>community college teachers
>>71112863
Jesus, are you literally underage, or just really fucking stupid? Reread my post, "brah".
>>71112888
> we will have to raise the costs of our products/services!
Hey how about we dont pay the officers millions a year instead using that money to raise the hourly rate without raising the costs to the consumer?
>OY VEEY IT IS LIKE ANNUDA SHOA YOU ANTI SEMETIC BASTID COMMIE!
>>71112888
Increase in minimum wage makes money water that ruins houses. Gotcha.
>>71112888
this isn't even the biggest problem with it either.
for one, Bernie's minimum wage plan will take longer than a single presidency to happen, so the next president would be responsible for finishing it (or cleaning it up if it's a huge mess)
but really, it's fucking dumb, because all it's gonna do is speed up inflation of the U.S dollar. By the year 2020, 15$ an hour today is probably just gonna be around 8$ an hour in 2020. Literally no difference
>>71112998
the problem with your logic?
you are not taking in to account there are other suits besides the CEO making millions a year in one company.
think on the larger scale simp.
>>71112844
Holy fuck, why do i care what some nobody says on youtube? What are his credentials?
I can tell you what, We do help those people around the world. Our tax dollars go towards all forms of gov aid around the world. Be it through healthcare of education. So yes, in a way they are taking our money. No, I don't have a problem with it. If we were to reel in Crony Capitalism i think it'd be like healing an infection and in turn it'd have a positive effect where some of these people aren't as easily able to pollute the planet because of bernies carbon tax....environmental protection would be catapulted to the countries immediate conscious mind. I think there would be a change that instead of instant gratification we as a people could begin to realize that instant gratification is just that, for that moment things are good but fuck what happens in the long run, fuck the damage that we do, fuck trees it's not like they make oxygen or something, fuck keep marijuana prohibited it's not like we could replace trees with industrial hemp. Jeez man, there are so many ways people would benefit.
EITHER WAY, this is the election for the US, I know im fucking privileged. But atleast if i don't elect trump or shillary MY MONEY WONT GO TOWARDS BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME WANT MY MONEY LMAO
>>71113182
>let's pay higher ups the same amount as the employees on minimum wage!
You're a genius. You should start a tumblr blog
>>71113182
Why wait for the feds to redistribute their wealth, you little bitch? Go get a gun and do it right now.
>>71113114
running it in to the ground. what do you know. cant have a healthy econ without a strong middle class.
>>71112919
LOL, this is you. Too much flouride in your brain.
>>71112998
Nice bipolar disorder anon.
Are you manic or depressed right now?
>>71113258
>you are not taking in to account there are other suits besides the CEO making millions a year in one company.
Even if they collectively made 100 million dollars, that would still be 5 hours of minimum wage pay.
You fucking niggerloving faggot piece of shit.
>>>/reddit/
>>71112977
Muh anecdote
Middle class is shrinking because people are moving up, not down. Plenty of middle class jobs exist, but people like you don't have drive. You can't get a middle class job with no experience or training, that's the problem with you bernouts. Instead of pushing yourself up, you want to push the bottom itself up
>>71113277
no one said that but you.
>>71113297
>you should run out and break laws and be a violent nigger
blow it out your ass simp.
>>71112985
Haven't donated friendo.
>>71112977
Rebuilding infrastructure would create jobs...look at all these damn sinkholes...
repealing prohibition of marijuana would create jobs all over the place and add revenue to education funding coffers.
>>71113377
Excuses.
Haha, you're such a pussy.
>>71113327
Right. What's your idea of a "strong middle class"? The USSR's strong middle class? Cuba's strong middle class?
The middle class will be bled to death if Bernie Sandersberg ever gets to power. It will get crushed by taxes which will go to freeloading niggers and illegal spics, so that they can get meme degrees in anti-white studies.
>>71113339
Do you have anything of substance to say? Probably not, you're a bernbot, i.e. a mentally retarded estrogen filled beta nu male.
>>71113372
>Middle class is shrinking because people are moving up, not down
wew lad
time for you to leave the basement.
instead of being afraid of everything/one perhaps try talking with people and observing the world around you.
>>71113377
>uses a racial slur
>expects people to genuinely listen to him
My main beef with this proposed min wage increase is that middle class people with skills like tradesmen are brought closer in line with min wage workers, even though they have vastly more skill and experience.
Wages have stagnated across the board for the middle class.
we should be working to make sure everyone is lifted up as they should be, not just reward the lowest level, who by definition have done the least to improve their situation themselves.
>>71113258
this, people who think they smart af usually are simpleminded af.
>>71111319
>mfw when Berniefags are so focused on international corporations they are willing to destroy the same people they claim to be in favor of just to have a slight chance of knocking down some random CEO
>>71113471
>instead of being afraid of everything/one
Says the guy afraid of people who've got their shit together and make more than minimum wage.
Says the guy living in mommy's basement because he flunked out of high school and blames "da system" because the only job he can now find is burger flipping.
>>71113474
>racial slur
You're lost, reddit. Niggerloving kike faggot spic.
>>71113270
tldr
study the difference between keynesianism and austrian economics.
if you want free stuff go to google images, search "printing presses", lube up your dick and start stroking.
also you asked about tom woods credentials: http://tomwoods.com/about/
>>71113270
Oh and profits don't matter when the whole world is polluted beyond the point it can sustain life.
>>71113471
https://fee.org/articles/why-is-the-middle-class-shrinking/

Inequality
Why Is the Middle Class Shrinking?
2 Arguments in Favor of Economic Inequality
Steven Horwitz
Wednesday, December 30, 2015


#Inequality#Wealth#Luxury#Development Economics#Progress
Economic inequality continues to be a major political issue even as the headlines scream about terrorism and climate change. Bernie Sanders has made it a centerpiece of his presidential campaign, and other candidates have addressed it along the way. And a recent study by thePew Research Centerhas added new, though misplaced, fuel to the fire of those concerned about inequality.
The Pew study has been discussed in the media, and one key point has been grossly misunderstood. Among other things, the study found that the American middle class is shrinking and is now just under half of the population. Commentators quickly began to refer to the “hollowing out” of the middle class and to tie this study to the concerns about growing inequality.
However, a close look at the data shows that the middle class has shrunk since 1971 because more members of the middle class have movedupthe income ladder than down it.
>>71113428
>haha you are such a pussy for being a law abiding citizen
fuck off nigger.
>>71113433
strong middle class as in America pre Reagan and corporate cronyism.
but keep on spouting boogiemen countries to protect massa. he will surely reward you for being a good dog.
![Deal-With-It-Dog-Gif-01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/agRwbzc.jpg "Deal-With-It-Dog-Gif-01[1].jpg")
>>71112800
If mommy and daddy paid for your college, then you are a spoiled brat living in fantasy land where everything was handed to you.
Also, if you parents had to work for a living, you're not middle class, you're working class. I know you won't be able to accept that reality, because then you would have to accept that you aren't the special snowflake that you were raised to believe that you are.
>>71113483
More people would have more money to pay for more of those services...more demand more money
>>71113634
>fuck off nigger.
You're the one wanting free shit :^).
Sounds like you're the nigger, nigger.
>>71113626
Quote fucked up, but you can check the site regardless.
>>71113433
Hahaha......you are bipolar. Must be manic and irritable today. What medications are you on for your bipolar disorder?
>>71109891
This
In related news, he now plans to institute a $15/hr maximum wage.
Utopia is just around the corner!
>>71111915
>Murrica becomes a little socialist
>Middle class starts dying
>"Quick, we need more socialism!"
>>71113483
>tradesmen are middle class
Best laugh I've had today
>>71113626
>Horwitz
yea fuck off shill.
>>71113557
yes it HAS to be jealously.
right right everyone is petty.
>>71113606
MUH FREEMARKETS look at the first word lol...
but nah free markets aren't the ends to all means they aren't perfect. that's why we need regulations and meh that guys alright.
Lol, love how they always assume you want free shit. I want people to make 15 bucks an hour because im a tradesman who has a skill that i charge 60-120 bucks an hour for....if more people have more money they'll be able to buy more of my services :) which means more money or me which means i could in turn spend more money and stimulate the economy.
>>71110338
>It is even in the employment contract for most bit employers that you will always be making 150% of minimum wage for example
things that never happened
10 years ago i had a job making 11/hour when min wage was 8/hour. present day that job still pays 11/hour even though min wage is now 10.50.
also
>an employer would only guarantee x over min wage because they are aware that min wage dictates the costs of goods
>>71113693
naw
i want a Square Deal.
>>71113779
because the government gives endless hand outs and tax breaks to corporations.
so said corporations can continue to not pay their most of their employees a livable wage while the suits pocket the money for them selves and put it in off shore accounts.
>>71113653
Class is based on income, but I guess Bernie didn't teach that in his 10 minute plan. And I worked and got scholarships and student loans. I don't know how you can call me lower class and a trust fund baby (>implying) in the same post, but enjoy your delusions.
I'm more interested in why a tradesman, who spent 4 years of his life...minimum...to learn his trade should be paid the same as a 16 year old fucking monkey in McDonalds? Is Bernie gonna give the tradesman a raise too?
>>71113976
>that min wage dictates the costs of goods
only because they said so.
>>71114031
see this >>71113946
>>71113984
You've identified the problem. Now you're suggesting that you need even more government involvement.
How about they just keep their paws off others' money?
>>71114031
>because of this theoretical person hundreds of thousands people need to live pay check to paycheck while still having to have room mates.
>>71109674
fucking communist what did you expect. This isn't meant to to bring the poor up it's to make more people poor class. NWO you fucking dumb asses.
>>71110338
>Actually your wage will be raised accordingly
>bernie raises minimum wage to $15/h
>all wages go up accordingly
>all prices go up accordingly
>back to square 1
i'm ok with this.
>>71114031
Of course not. Lower middle class wrench monkeys are the same thing as Burger King timer readers.
>>71112329
This is why your country is poor.
>>71114147
waaaah people have to give up on certain luxuries if they have a shitty job that requires no skill, education or training waaaaah waaah
>>71114049
basic supply and demand.
if 10 people make 250$ and i charge 125$ rent maybe only 1 person would want to rent my apartment. if those same 10 people started making 500$ eventually someone will offer me 250$.
>>71113809
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/09/the-american-middle-class-is-losing-ground/
Better? Feel free to find a flaw if you want, I know Bernie is probably a Messiah to you, and its always hard to find out you are praying to a false god.
>>71114074
I don't give a fuck if the tradesman is busier. Tradesmen work for someone else. Doing 8, 10, 12 hours a day. He makes no more or less money.
You give monkeys $15 an hour then you destroy the people who've worked their lives for a trade. And if you raise their wages it affects those above. Why should the..I don't know..the tradesmans manager deal with the extra stress for the same as his employee? So he'll need to go to $60. But now, the regional manager is pissed...he's dealing with 5 depots, not just one. He'll need $120 an hour...we're back to square one. $15 an hour means nothing again.
>>71111571
Hi Tyrone.
>>71113946
Except the government is going to take so much of your fucking money it isn't going to matter.
>>71114134
How about the corporations either bring back the good middle class low skilled job or pay people livable wages for what is left?
If they refuse to do so it is the job of the government to step in and tell those fucks to get their shit together.
Congratulations you understood the basis of socialism, to share the poverty with entire world.
Just so we are all on the same page, you all know there's no way in hell that the lot of the poor will be improved at all.
In any way, that's why they are poor! So get back in your cages you Bernouts!.
>>71114233
Not really, you kinda disproved your point. If you double the cost, why won't everything else double in cost? Either way, you'd get half my income, and I'd have to use the rest on other goods that more than likely inflated too.
>people actually think CEOs will cut their own pay in order to pay for the increased minimum wage
>>71111000
I like how bernie fags think 6 people at the top of a company who have been there for 35 years and are close to retirement and who make $450k a year are somehow going to want or be able to shell out a billion dollars from their salary every year to make johnny nooby DQ's life easier by giving him $15 and hour instead of $12
It's like you retards have never even seen a calculator
>>71109674
Everyone's salary is going to get doubled, obviously.
>>71114158
I'm also ok with it. Minimum wage goes up, other people's salaries and wages go up, prices on goods all go up, and everything is more expensive.
What doesn't go up, however, is debt. So if you have a mortgage, car note, credit card debt, or student loan debt, you're essentially paying it off at a steep discount. So new home buyers are screwed, but recent home buyers are not.
>>71114284
>bring back the good middle class low skilled job
The worst of the low-skilled jobs went to China, and the next rung of terrible jobs was taken by a glut of Mexican labour willing to work for a pittance.
Economics is not something that the government can rule any more than a scientist can write the laws of physics. They can write legislation to do whatever but this will always have perverse consequences based on the particular situation of the economy.
>>71114256
https://youtu.be/2ffxUT7Puf0
MORE BUSINESS FOR ME MEANS MORE MONEY FOR ME RETARD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJj2kSbwpqE
Also, i own my own company im the one doing all the work :p im my own boss.
>>71114382
At the same time, any cash savings you have become worthless.
>>71114226
>having food, water, heating/power, and a place to live are luxuries
yea that bullshit response does not work when you take in to account reality
>>71114239
>it is ok when i agree with the kikes!
>>71114233
>people are making more money
>OY VEY I NEED TO RAISE MY PRICES!
fucking kike.
>>71114284
Or you could learn a skill, master it, then start your own business where you pay employees above average wages.
Its almost like you divided the entire world into corporations and governments.
You idiots with college debt for stupid degrees are going to pay for your years of tard - partying, I'm not paying for it.
I don't care if you have to work at Walmart until you are 90
>>71114360
they should be forced to.
i know full well they wont.
>>71114359
learn to economics
the apartment is only 125$ cause no one made a better offer because they dont have much money. once their income increases then their aggregate demand will increase and if 10 people are competing for an apartment then obviously the highest bidder will win.
oh and the cost of goods and services will also go up since companies need to compensate for the wage increases plus anyone already making 15$ an hour will now be low class.
>>71113997
You have special snowflake syndrome. You think you are a special snowflake, because your working class parents told you that you were middle class, and you actually believed them.
You were, and still are, working class (you have to work for a living). But to accept that reality, you would have to accept that you aren't as special and unique as you think you are.
If I were you, I'd be embarrassed that I had to work for a living. You have to get up every day and go be somebody else's bitch.
>>71112329
>$75,000 k
>lower middle class
That's almost twice the GDP of most first world countries and ten to a hundred times the GDP of most third world countries. I just looked up $75k and that puts you in the top 15% of income in the US.
>>71114424
Yes, indeed it would
>>71114274
Nah bro, i'd save money with bernies plan i wouldn't pay for the insurance i have right now that still has copays and shit that goes with it. Even with his increase in taxes i'd be saving money when i take out what im paying now. i think the positives outweigh the negatives for sure. Most of bernies proposals target the big boys and by big boys i mean criminals.
>>71114461
>OY VEY I NEED TO RAISE MY PRICES!
the people making that money will raise the prices themselves. and remember that the price you pay for stuff also covers the wages of the people producing said stuff.
>>71109772
hi rabbi
>>71114409
yea no.
tons of manufacturing jobs left.
tons of call center jobs left.
the only jobs illegals are taking are day labor jobs and field work.
>well well this fast food mexicant!
yea not a problem since about 5 years ago. Obama cracked down on the baisas.
if they are working in a major chain they are legal and are getting payed the min.
>>71109674
i don't
>>71114528
>>71114528
>inb4 the American middle class should pay for the 3rd world because of economic privilege
>>71109674
>hernie
what is this even supposed to mean
>>71114609
>tons of manufacturing jobs left.
Where do you think they left to, and why?
>>71110676
>make 7$ an hour
>minimum wage goes up to 15
>boss can't afford me anymore so I get fired
>now I make 0$ an hour
>>71114461
How about an actual response, faggot? Jews are undermining Americans, but they obviously know their shekels. Do you want to claim the graph is lying? Misleading? Don't act like a shill then start claiming muh jews.
>>71114382
you think everyone has a job don't you? everything is now triple of what it was and now you can't afford to live long enough to find the next job.
>>71114568
OR
they can again NOT fuck over the employees and the consumer to line their own pockets.
>>71114685
Get a minimum wage job, then
>>71114523
>Everything doubles in cost
>It is still the same
>>71114412
Again, the tradesman who AT THIS MOMENT works for $15 an hour is the discussion you fucking imbecile. If you own your own business you're not working for a per hour wage.
Holy Fuck you're blowing my mind.
Lets try this slower for you. A man fixes cars for Ford. He works 8 hours a day for $15 an hour. Ford charge $95 an hour for work, but that doesn't matter to Joe because he gets $15 an hour. Joe's negro neighbor is a good negro, he works at McDonald's. LaDanté just started his first job straight out of the penitentiary, no skills, no training. Joe see LaDanté getting $15 flipping burgers and Joe isn't happy. Joe spent 4 years at vocational college and he busts his ass daily, coming home tired, dirty and stressed. Before Bernie, Joe was ok with this. He had a trade. Now, he's wondering why he's even trying. But wait! Bernie recognises Joe's struggle and promises Joe $30 an hour...now Ford are fucked. So they up Joe's managers wage to $60 an hour...and HIS managers wage to $120. Now when LaDanté takes his car to Ford guess How much he's paying for an hours labor? Guess...go on.
Guess how well off LaDanté is for his $15 an hour?
>>71114256
Maybe tradesmen shouldn't have dedicated their lives to being tradesmen, and done something more productive.
Tradesmen have always been spoiled brats who feel entitled to higher wages and pensions, because they think they are special and unique. They think they are special snowflakes, when they are really the eyesore of society.
>>71114670
they left to asia.
they left because they can pay those people shit and dont have to worry about safety/laws. to keep costs down and more importantly get a fat quarterly bonus and a raise next year as well.
all so they can take that money and not spend it.
>>71114274
>Except
How's your OCD today anon?
Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except Except
>>71114525
Oh sorry, I just realized I was dealing with a /NEET/ masterrace. Go on and enjoy your chicken tendies, brave warrior.
>>71114782
>tradesmen should have done something more productive
lolwut
>>71114778
Joe is a shitty mechanic.
that is the problem.
>>71114782
Your point is moot. It doesn't matter who the tradesman is. We need them. It doesn't matter. Its irrelevant.
You pay nonskilled workers as much or more than tradesmen then you'll have a cascading effect.
>>71114753
how I'll be in prison by then because I can't pay off fucking bills.
>>71114836
So with that in mind, why make business in America even more unappealing? Surely a protectionist policy is important.
>>71112800
>Dad was military
so your father was a weelfare leech?
it's more like
>you're middle class america
>you make $15/hr
>Minimum wage is $15
>Lower class is now middle class
>>71114778
Both joe and ladante and joes manager have more spending power thus being able to buy more cars thus making more revenue for ford. Maybe now they can afford to buy that nice brand new ford they wanted.
>>71112888
That's very bluepilled
Raising the minimum wage boosts consume and increased consume makes companies produce more
If someone believes that companies produce as much as they can, they are deluded. They produce as much as people are willing to buy.
>>71115084
Pretty much, I bet he is pretty bummed about not getting the chance to cleanse your country.
>>71113689
Those services are there regardless.
they will still be working the same hours for the same pay
meanwhile everyone else gets a bump, including the rich who now have a deeper consumer base.
the middle gets left out...again
Reminder that Hitler raised the minimum wage
>>71115075
So we should be more like China and India?
Are you fucking retarded?
>>71115067
Your bills will become cheaper, m80
>>71115084
Say what you'd like about soldiers, it's our military might that's propped up the dollar for so long
>>71114726
when people make more money then the demand for a limited number of goods will also increase ergo the price will also go up.
if i make 10 cars a year i sell them for 100$ each to the 10 people that want them.
if i make the same 10 cars a year but now 20 people want to buy a car why would i still sell it for 100$?
>>71114461
>yea that bullshit response does not work when you take in to account reality
fuck off, i've lived on minimum wage in the past and you can easily afford all those things if you're good with your money.
you cook for yourself instead of going out, ride a bike instead of taking taxis, don't go partying every friday and don't buy clothes/electronics you don't need.
every minimum wage cunt that complains that he can't live on it also coincidentally buys every new iphone, $700 jordans and a gram of coke every weekend.
>>71115183
It's not the number of soldiers, it's your military equipment, so you can thank your engineers for that
>>71115169
No, you should cut away the advantage of moving labour abroad to where it is cheaper with tariffs.
>>71115063
Nice projection of your own personal opinion onto reality.
>cascading effect
ROFL..........oh no, the tradesmen will get upset that other people make as much money as them, oh no, we can't have them get emotional and start crying because they don't make more money than other people anymore.
>>71115052
No. Its not. Its the absolute opposite.
Now Ford are paying everyone double the price of a car is doubled. Your $15 an hour is meaningless.
Remember, Ford have profits to make, people to pay, they're not taking a hit to their profits. Ever.
>>71115159
The american soldier IS CHEAP LABOR. ya'll got conned. it's your fualt for agreeing to the terms. your life is worth so much more than that.
Maybe if politicians werent lobbied by corporate interests in the military industrial complex who love perpetual warfare because it keeps the money coming in the world wouldn't have this problem.
>>71115198
>the prices will go up just because they can
fuck off kike.
>>71114074
and yet all of those were gov't sponsored / gov't favored corporatist disasters...
>>71115208
And who uses and maintains that equipment?
Protip: the majority of American soldiers don't get anywhere near combat
>>71113790
>buying into the 'college is the only way' myth
Enjoy your life of debt and leased possessions.
good goy.
>>71115276
>And who uses and maintains that equipment?
Good job on being a piece of flesh, I guess
>>71115164
Nah dude, now demand has gone up and the company has to open new stores and that gives entry way for more workes and maybe now you can get a raise...or gasp find a way to invest in yourself and find a better way to make money.
>>71115200
riight right.
again.
your views dont hold when you take in to account reality.
>>71112687
That's a problem with the loopholes in the law, not the corporations themselves.
>>71115225
It's not about them getting upset.
Why would I work 4 years for nothing learning a trade to be stressed and dirty when I can flip burgers for the same? Its not about people crying for more wages. You will have no one doing these jobs...why is this hard to get? And when you have no one doing a job guess what you have to do to encourage people to those jobs?? Im pretty sure you won't be able to guess so I'll tell you; you raise the wage.
Jesus Fuck you people are stupid. Honestly.
How can /pol/ claim to be redpilled when they are literally shilling anti-minimum wage talking points that the very same open-borders globalist shits spout?
Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler, two of the greatest men to live - knew the importance of having great wages for the people.
>>71115304
Oh I never served in the military, but I recognize that our military, unlike other weaker nations, props up our currency which in turn props up our economy.
The Argentine military, on the other hand, gets their naval vessels repossessed.
>>71115244
pic related (its the same pic you will see in every economics text book ever made).
it goes up because there is a finite amount of products but the pool of people who demand them has now increased.
>12 year old bernlovers know more about economics cause "trump gives me panic attacks"
>>71115269
PLEASE, lol look into the past and tell me how well it all worked out in the 1930s. Deregulation isn't the answer. the free market is what pollutes the whole damn planet because of no regulations they can do w.e the fuck they want until someone snitches.
>>71115239
they could you know,
not pay the officers millions a year. instead take that money and use it to pay the rest of their employees. giving them more buying power to buy more shit.
but that would make the Job Creators(APAT) upset.
we cant have that they might leave us!
>>71115426
So you are spending 25% of your national budget to make your currency stronger?
Protip: if you saved that money, your currency would be worth even more
>>71115411
mexicans and blacks aren't "my people"
>>71115357
So its not the fualts of the corporations...it's not like they make the concious decision to abuse these loopholes? omg what if they paid of the gov to leave those loopholes in??? Lol gasppppp cronyism baby.
>>71109772
>>71109674
It can only result in a few things
>crashing the dollar and raising living expenses for everyone
>low end jobs disappear and are automated
>skilled workers demand higher pay, forcing many businesses to close
Only in magical fairy lalala free shit land is this a good idea. In the netherlands we have a high minimum wage but underage people and temp workers cost less. Guess what happened here.
>>71115411
that doesn't mean they were for a retard getting 15 bucks an hour.
>>71115483
So /pol/ opposes minimum wage for the same reason they support abortion?
>>71115479
Are you certain of that? Without the petrodollar, then something like the Euro, or the Yuan could become the world's reserve currency
>>71115435
that would imply that everyone wants that single item.
and that there are not 100s of knock offs of that item that will be good enough for some people.
>>71115307
I'm not talking about store employees.
tradesmen will not see an increase in pay because there is zero incentive to do it
a contractor is not going to be making more money because of higher min wage, he doesn't see to min wagers, he sells to builders and industrial plants, utilities, etc...
while i agree that more money in the economy by way of the consumer is a good thing over all for trades on a macro level, but the actual people doing the work get screwed over when jamal makes 2 bucks less than them now, even though they've got a skill that takes years to train.
>>71111835
Lower corporate tax rate for 1. End h1b visaniggers. There's a start. Oh and if the government would stop importing broke ass spics as a permanent underclass to depress wages that would also be great. Carpenter here having a fuck of a time with dumbass homeowners hiring contractors from Mexico with a crew of 10 spics that he pays $4/hour. Thanks obama.
>>71115122
>minimum wage raised to $15/hr
>unskilled jobs now pay the same as skilled jobs
>fat cats won't just say "ah fuck it let's spend twice as much on wages"
>they will say "ah fuck it let's cut half of our staff"
>unskilled jobs now requires skills.
>those who truly needed the jobs are no longer amongst the ones who qualify for the now competitive "skilled" $15/hr jobs
>50% double their wage and 50% is fired
>victory for communism
>bernie 2016
>>71115499
Are people collecting benefits and foodstamps in the wrong for doing so?
Of course not.
It's up to law makers to make sure those loopholes aren't there.
"What if" isn't an argument.
WHO HERE LOVE TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS LMAO??
>>71109674
>be middle class American
>make $15/h
He was already lower class and poor.
>>71115243
Its paid the bills and he served the country, that's really all that matters to him. I agree politics and money fuck with the military, but that's not on him. Trump won't continue the bullshit frays other candidates are pushing.
>>71115642
And that's why im voting for bernie :) not down with the rigged trade agreements brah
>>71115679
Trump won't be the nominee buddy
Are you out of the loop? Republicans are cheating like crazy to stop him
>>71115545
were talking about everything: cars, phones, clothing, food, whatever...
companies arent going to double their capacity just because more people want their shit when they can simply increase prices to match the demand.
you havent cited your bullshit so please do or fuck off.
>>71115455
But you're back to the same issue. The companies pay board members and CEOs millions because the people who aspire to those positions are, in theory, the best of the best. Years of schoolong, years of expertise and experience. Why would i, as a CEO, go to...Ford for $50,000 a year when I could go to BP for $14 million?
You pay the people because you want to attract the best you can.
Its the same for CEOs as it is for tradesmen.
If you have XXX experience or XXX qualification you get paid more than someone who has nothing.
>>71115122
>raise minimum wage to 50$ an hour
>now everyone is upper class!! :D
>>71115679
Trump would lead us into ww3.
sorry i care for ya'lls lives. don't want you dying because of propaganda and military industrial complex greed.
>>71115588
Fuck..someone who gets it.
>>71114528
It's household income. Not a single income. Most households have two earners.
>>71113433
I love it when he says "We will support the middle class!" and then has no policy to back it up
Vote for pretty much anyone else and we won't even be able to breathe and have these discussions so comfortably.
>>71115770
>Murican thinks $50/hour is upper class
It's amazing how out of touch you are.
>>71115608
what is funny is Obama has been tougher of illegals than Dubya.
hell just 3ish years ago there was huge purge of them from the service industries. You dont see bisas sitting in front of Home Depot/7/11 all day any more.
>lower taxes
>on corporate
go fuck your self Morty.
hypocrisy in this bitch
>>71115650
you first
>>71115724
Keep fighting the power!
>>71115833
6 figures is upper income everywhere except New York and California
>>71115772
So, politicians cause wars because special interests profit...and Trump will start war despite having no special interests groups forcing him to? How did you come up with that gem?
>>71115852
>free
Trump never said that
>>71115679
no he would get us in to worse shit.
first time someone said something some what negative about him he would throw a fucking sit like a 13 year old girl.
>people using the basic things they learn in economics classes
>muh D = S
you are wrong
