Why do leftist cities have bike lanes?
>>71091398
It's a smart liberal idea. I know that sounds strange but its true.
Cuts down on fuel consumption. Is good for public health.
All around wins no downsides.
>>71091398
People are too poor to afford cars
>>71091398
Stealth population control.
Someone is going to mow them down eventually.
>>71091487
Tell us about peak oil
>>71091398
Fatty detected
Most cyclists act like they own the road and get run over and cause traffic
>>71091398
>not cycling
>choosing to support saudi arabia
It's easier to control a slow moving population.
>>71091398
Anything to keep them out of the street
>>71091398
Does that mean that right leaning cities are full of lazy fatties?
I am fine with them if there is enough demand, it doesn't take too much of the road bed, and the cyclist don't think they are cars.
>>71091398
Bike lanes are necessary because retarded people are going to ride their bikes in traffic no matter what we do.
It's fucking retarded. I've seen people riding their bikes in the freeway.
Cycling to work keeps you fit and costs nothing
>>71091398
Alleviate parking and traffic issues.
>>71091398
Because liberals are grown children who never outgrow their toys
We men move on to bigger and better toys
>>71091548
/thread
>>71091398
Because if you don't have them the retards will try their luck in traffic.
Shit, they do anyway. It's basically the same as mandating warning labels on hair dryers informing the consumer that they should not be used in the bathtub.
>>71091729
The worst are the assholes that refuse to ride in the bike lanes and insist on riding on the road. I can accept people biking on a road if there is no bike lane or sufficient shoulder. We spend millions of dollars on improving the safety of bike riders yet these specific assholes ruin everything. Don't get me started on the retards that ride the wrong fucking way down on a bike lane.
Is this the same OP that posted this same exact thread yesterday (or was it Wednesday?) but it was about trains instead?
>>71091398
>Live on the prairies
>City spent $275,000 on some shit ass bike lanes downtown
>Its winter 7 months of the year here
>Snow plows push snow into bike lanes
>Never see anyone using them because its usually below -25C
Fucking stupid
>>71091600
This.
>>71091398
To anger you when they whiz by on the sidewalk
>>71092083
>implying car drivers are so much smarter/more civilized than bicycle riders
>>71091398
>tfw you live in a noncuck city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLP9mfLMmnc
>>71091398
To keep those faggots out of the road. Any city without bike lanes requires bikes to follow normal rules of the road with slows everyone down.
>>71091398
>leftist cities
bit redundant dont you think?
Less fatties, less pollution, and the bikers don't get in the way of real drivers.
>>71091525
Well my differential equations professor seemed to believe in it.
It will probably happen but all the predictions about it have been utterly wrong.
Also Lockheed martin claims they will have a working fusion reaction so who cares?
But reducing fuel consumption makes sense economically and environmentally. Cutting down on smog is a gain for public health.
I'd prefer bike lanes compared to fucking bikers blocking traffic
they have public transport infrastructure should be pretty logical because they price cars out
>>71092273
most drivers actually stop at red lights whereas bikefags are always getting clipped because they go through reds
>>71092273
Hey I ride my bike on the road too and have nearly been run over by idiot drivers myself.
I never said one group of people were smarter than another, I just despise those who act like they're above the law.
>>71092481
The better question to ask is why don't right wing cities and towns have it?
Don't pretend to be a nationalist when you're overweight, burning through foreign oil in a truck you never use to haul shit around in.
Take a trip on up to the Ford engineering buildings and take a gander at how many sandniggers work there. I wonder how many spic-nigger hands assembled your car?
I get people have long commutes, the weather can be bad, or they live in a rural area, etc., but the automotive industry, for all the good things it has brought us, is not your friend. It works hand in hand with kike usury.
>>71091487
wtf? a reasonable/smart /pol/lack? i thought our kind had died when the trump astroturfers took over this board
>>71092635
>I just despise those who act like they're above the law.
Fair enough. Just saying those usual generalizations are rather stupid. Same old divide and conquer bullshit. Me guuud, they baaad.
Plus, as a driver of a car (or motorbike) you can't seriously want that bicycle riders also switch to cars/motorbikes. So be happy they choose to not further congest precious roads, even if you'll meet a jackass every now and then. People are jackasses. What a shock.
>>71091685
>>71092802
Hey we got bike lanes too, they're just 2 feet wide and separated from heavy traffic by a little white line.
>>71091398
Cycling on the sidewalk is better in every way. Thats how it was for me in Texas and it was better for everyone.
Cyclists are smarmy little cunts who get in the way and consistently ignore traffic rules. Fuck them very much.
>>71092481
i have never seen a bicyclist stop at a red light. even at busy 8 lane boulevards in los angeles.
>>71092424
This. I went to Oxford a week ago and my mum said before I went: 'watch out for cyclists, they're everywhere'. Except that as well as having a shit-ton of cyclists, Oxford has a cycle lanes all over the place, meaning that I never once had to get around a cyclist. And then the day after I get home I find myself having to pass three cyclists riding in a line on a narrow road. I am all for cycle lanes if they get cyclists out of my way.
>>71091398
because liberal cities are expensive, meaning land values are higher and everything is more built up. Meaning fewer parking spaces. Bikes are great for when you know you're going somewhere where you'll never be able to find a parking space.
>>71092893
I don't want more people congesting the roads, in fact I support bike lane proposals in my city when they happen. But if you have ever been to America the way they design bike infrastructure here is deeply flawed for the most part.
>>71091487
Looks like a lot of wasted time and money paying city crews to F up roads and painting a bunch of empty bike lanes. Seriously outside extreme liberal cities. No one gives a crap about bike lanes. It's a rarity to see a bike in the bike lane. Wasted money that didn't need to be spent. Accomplishes nothing.
>>71093749
>But if you have ever been to America the way they design bike infrastructure here is deeply flawed for the most part.
Okay, but that's a whole other problem. And I doubt it's fair to blame bicycle riders for such bullcrap, or the fact that they rather use the good old road, instead of needlessly stupid/dangerous bicycle lanes.
>>71093868
I think a part of that may have to do with us designing shitty bike lanes for the most part.
>>71093868
Where do you ride your bike?
I ride mine down bikeways to a large park, I see many bikes in the bikelane doing the same.
Do Americans avoid riding bikes to avoid exercising???
Bike lanes take up road space paid for and by motorists. The second you began to tax bikes they disappear.
>>71091398
>>71091487
Nothing pisses me off more than bike faggots.
You all know a bike faggot. No one who is into riding their bike everywhere is anything but a huge faggot. I don't mean gay, I mean a FUCKING FAGGOT. A shit faced dickslick that absolutely no one at work, school, or in the family likes.
They never actually stay in the fucking bikeline too, they always ride just outside of it to fuck up all traffic, and they do it on purpose.
If they want to use the road, they should have to pay registration and use license plates like the cars, otherwise they shouldn't be treated like one. Period.
>>71093868
Wow, thank you for your valuable input no doubt backed up by years of experience studying urban planning and having a degree in the field.
That was a really high quality post, anon.
i think the better question is why do bike lanes exist when they are unused 98% of the time
>>71094049
You'd be surprised (or not at all) to see how lazy people can get here.
Where I live, once I saw in a suburban park, a family that lived within 500 feet of the park got in their car, then drove to park the car in the park's parking lot. They could have fucking walked but they were too lazy.
>less fat people
oh how terrible
>>71091398
Every city and village have them here. But yeah, there are more bikes than people in the Netherlands.
> told to use a bike lane instead of the sidewalk
Why not ruin TWO lives at once? Both mine and the driver!
> have no insurance
> because unemployed, and i'm forced to ride a fucking bike
>>71093868
You should get out more, anon.
>>71094664
kek. I wondered already how long it would take until the first Hupp Hupp Holländer shows up.
IMHO it's mostly a cultural thing, which also explains the existance of empty bike lanes in lefties cities over in America: top-keks imitating fancy European lifestyle, and implementing it in a top-down fashion (which never works).
>>71094292
>If they want to use the road, they should have to pay registration and use license plates like the cars
That would severely disadvantage the whole idea of riding a bike, I don't ride a bike but holy shit in a city it's a fuckin good idea.
I seriously prefer to ride my bike places. I am right wing as fuck but if I didn't have bike lanes I would be dead.
>>71091398
>Leftists cities
So all major cities?
>>71094990
The road isn't free, and the bike lanes actually do cost their own amount of money aside from the car lanes. Fact is they need to be subject to tax too.
Cyclists still have the advantage in that they dont pay for gas or often parking. More than enough.
The best part about cycling is riding past carkeks stuck in traffic and seeing them pop a blood vessel
>>71091398
They are good but when they reduce the current size if roads to pop then in it sucks. Vancouver is brutal for this.
The Chinese don't use bikes
>>71091398
Looks like a lot of typical liberal boogeyman posts that automatically equate the concept of efficient urban planning with a silly idea the opposite team came up with therefore it's bad.
Bike lanes encourage bikers, and for every biker on the road, that means one less using a car to congest traffic that YOU sit in. That's one less parking spot at the garage that YOU use, and less pollution in the air YOU breath. If the city has a privately sponsored bike dock system where you can pick up a bike and drop it off at select stations across a city, the two coupled together ease traffic problems.
And for the faggots whining that it takes up one car lane, new flash: the more car lanes you add, the more people will be inclined to use cars which just leaves you with more cars on the road, more pollution, more angst, all while taking the same amount of time to get to work.
>>71095114
>He hasn't been to based Texas with no bikelines or even zoning
>Wendy's literally next door to a strip club
And there's nothing wrong with it. Fucking oath, loved Texas
>>71095129
then 5 minutes later the car gets through the traffic and passes the cyclist who is all sweaty and smelly while the driver turns down his ac because he's getting a chill
>>71091398
Why don't backwards southern cities have them?
>>71095230
>no zoning
Yeah it's all fine until someone puts up a skyscraper in a residential neighborhood and all the faggots who applauded lack of zoning get mad because their views are being blocked and the traffic on their street just went up ten fold.
>>71095379
>skyscraper next door
>your property value just multiplied by 6x
>you can now afford a far far better house
Think a little more about what you talk about. This has already happened in Texas. Its also happened in Las Vegas.
>mfw I always cycle to get into the city
>mfw I get there faster than if I drove because no traffic
>mfw no time wasted trying to find a parking space
>mfw no money used to pay for fuel/parking
If you live close enough to a city to be able to ride and don't, you're retarded.
(feel free to hit any of those spandex faggots who think they're in the tour de france though. Fuck those guys)
>tfw no bike lanes
>cyclists use both the road and pavement
>get in the way when walking or driving
Brilliant
>>71095127
They're so insignificant compared to roads for cars, we're talking about a handful of dedicated bike lanes in cities here. Taxing bike riders is sorley unjustified.
>>71091398
>cagers get mad when I'm on the road
>peds get mad when I use the sidewalk
maybe if you quit being a bitch we wouldn't need them
Bike lanes are great. I wish where I lived the city would slowly set aside money for an elevated bicycle and pedestrian highway.
>>71095648
>A handful of bikelanes in CBDS
>"So insiginificant"
>Even those tiny bits are worth hundreds of millions of dollars in the largest cities
How old are you?
>>71095552
>your property value just multiplied by 6x
This never happens.
>skyscraper gets put in next door because no zoning restrictions
>all values in houses instantly go down because no one likes big buildings
>properties next to skyscrapers won't be developed because their views will be blocked
>noise dramatically increases
>traffic dramatically increases
>huge monolith blocking your sight on your saturday evening grill out
>crime rate goes up as more people are in the neighborhood
>because of lack of zoning the infrastructure isn't allowed to handle the building that a developer put up just to make a quick buck
>house values instantly go down
>niggers move in
>runaway greenhouse effect
Faggot.
>>71095739
This image is one of the funniest things i've ever seen.
Everything is hilarious all the way down to Pepe's t-shirt.
>>71092913
>southernchef
I hope you know that he's a jew
>>71095588
Get a motorcycle instead of being a faggot.
>>71091398
So more fags can virtue signal about what they're doing for the environment without actually putting themselves in danger. Of course, the only way to do this is to run to the local state and force them to spend everyone's money on a quasi-European path whereon pierced and tatted nu-males will continue to make us that much more like shitty Eurostates.
>>71095932
pure homosex
>>71095230
Even Houston voted faggot mayor
And you do see the occasional bike lane down here, but mostly cars and bikes have to share downtown
>>71095818
You are talking completely out of your ass. There are people who invest in suburb properties in Las Vegas for example, purely because a planning commission toyed with the concept of putting another casino nearby there 15 years down the line.
Everything you've referenced is third-hand bullshit. You are probably some greasy renter who doesn't know the first thing about realty. Right now my families 2nd home in San Diego has a University expansion being built nearby (Mission Gorge Road near Allied Gardens). Its going to double the value of the home because its going to become prime land for renting out to richy University students. The Trolley is already complete, google earth it yourself. That alone brought it up from 450k to 680k per the last estimate.
How much more of an ass whipping would you like?
>>71095757
comparative to roads, not to mention the reduced cost of injuries/fatalities of bike car incidents brought about by the lanes. Even so the actual landvalue is useless as it's zoned as government land for transport.
You don't have fuckin developers buying up roads to build a fuckin apartment you cunt
>>71091398
I think they're for bikes.
>>71095230
>based Texas with no bikelines
I know that 'Austin is not Texas' meme, but still
>>71095739
> Stacy is giving birth to Chad's child
kek
>ctrl+f "Adelaide"
>no results
Our state just passed a law requiring drivers to remain 1 yard away from cyclists in 30mph zones and 1.5 yards at higher speed limits. Drivers are required to cross double white lines and take any other action necessary to do so. Any bike-car accident automatically has the driver at fault.
Basically if there's a bike next to you, you've got the right of way of an active police car in order to stay away from it. Without any lights or sirens to let the guy around the blind corner on the narrow mountain road you're driving on the wrong side.
>>71096088
You just revealed how pathetic your powerlevel is. You assumed (very wrongly) when I spoke of the millions of dollars that it was the land value, it was not. It costs millions of dollars per year TO MAINTAIN THE BIKE LANES.
Have you ever even glanced, checked, even just fucking PEEKED at the cost to maintain roads? Its inflated, ridiculous, and absurd. Including bikes on the road doesn't change it, and if a portion of that road is used for the bikes well guess the fuck what? The car drivers taxes are paying for that bike lane, while the cyclists arent. We've come full circle now, and unfortunately, your liberal education has brutally failed you.
At this point you look like one of those clips from "kids say the darndest things" where one of them talks about buying a house with a whole 100 dollars.
>>71096080
guy specified skyscrapers and you're talking about college expansion buildings
>>71091398
Because you are a fatfuck
>>71096080
In other words:
>urban planning necessitated by third party input and restrictions allow for profitable, pragmatic and efficient large structures
This is not the same as "no zoning".
Retard.
Do you Americans have car/traffic free zones in your cities? Preferrably in the center too? Pretty nice actually. You see such stuff often around here, especially in/around "old village" (i.e. remaining medieval parts of a city).
>>71091398
We're so fucking doomed
>>71096312
Personal expample. If it was a skyscraper that 450k house would be worth 1.5m by the end of the announcement week. Please learn 2 into property values. Just because there's a looming skyscraper and incoming smog doesn't mean the land is shit, its just shit to live in a house there. Starbucks is more than willing to pay for you to own 3 fucking other homes just to get their grubby paws on that 1 home and its land.
Do they give you guys any sort of training before the send you into these boards?
>>71095866
>>71095739
pepe biking with socks and sandals
>>71091600
Fucking this
I had a prick pull right out front on me when i was going 35 and it wasn't even a intersection it was the middle of a high way. luckily i had a dash cam running at the time because he tried to tell the cops that i went onto the shoulder to strike him. I showed the cops the video and they told him to fuck off after getting info. I learned his name and found him on Facebook then made a fake account of one of his friends. And low and behold he was crying to his friends about how i tried to kill him. I then posted the dash cam video on his wall and i watched the fall out. It was funny because it was obvious he got hit on purposes as you could see him looking right at me then pulling out. He took it down fast but the damage was already done. His own mother called him a piece of shit. Meanwhile i was pissing my pants laughing at my weeb/battle station.
They clog up traffic in Toronto. Useless fuckin liberals.
>>71096399
Ahhh the "straw man"
That example was never used to justify "no zoning", it was a direct reply to the braindeath of thinking "durrr but something big being built nearby=property devalues!" Which is incorrect 99% of the time.
Is there anything else you'd like to make a fool of yourself over while I'm here?
>>71095739
>stacy is giving birth to Chad's child
>mr Noseberg told me to be early today
>>71092648
I was going to say fuck off, but then I saw you were Swiss and you could kick my ass
>>71096428
>
How are you sup post to go anywhere if there are no roads for cars stupid.
>>71096296
Yea I'll give you I got the cost thing wrong, I still believe that the cost of bike lanes are worth it. I'd rather have them in their own lane than on a foot path or on the road
>>71095903
Shit, I thought that's what he was cooking.
>>71096487
>in other words it's totally fine because you are forced out on the whim of financial gain and nothing else god forbid you like the neighborhood
>>71096585
Then stick on fucking topic.
>>71092913
I never knew the human mouth could produce this much saliva at once
>>71096573
Toronto is clogged with traffic irrelevant of the bike lanes.
>>71096672
Of course its worth it, but it has to be paid for. And thats why every spandex faggot still should be playing a rego each year. Should it be 300 bucks with CTP like for a car? No. 60 bucks sounds fair to me though.
>>71095230
that's not a state thing its a municipal thing.
>>71095932
>get motorcycle
>arrive slower because of traffic and inability to take side paths/short cuts
>have to pay for fuel
>have to pay for parking (and waste time finding a park) because I can't just chain up to the nearest pole/bike rack
I like motorbikes but I might as well be driving my car in that case
>>71096756
>misunderstands the topic entirely with his cro-magnon level understanding
>"then stick on fucking topic"
>in other words its totally fine
Yes. End of story. This is not "The Goonies" where big bad country club is gonna build a golf course and everyone gets moved onto the streets. This is the real world, where Daddy Warbucks builds infrastructure next door and you watch people with dollar-signs in their eyes start competing to buy your property at a premium. Then you sell it for a new house and live even better than before.
>god forbid you like the neighborhood
Cute. I'll take an upgrade any time I have a chance. Are you some sort of berniefag? "G-Guys p-please we gotta defend our community from big biz! I dont wanna move out of my 450k home into a 2m properteeeeee"
GET REAL KID!!!!
>>71096613
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>>71096653
>How are you sup post to go anywhere if there are no roads for cars stupid.
Those are rather small zones without traffic. You get there as usual. From there... you walk. Or take the bike. Or you take the bus/train/tram. But for the most part, walking is just fine.
>>71096813
They pay tax for it in other ways, in most instances I'm sure they have a car as well as a bike. The current system is fine, all rego for bikes will do is reduce the rate at which people ride bikes
>>71094547
If a bike lane is often unused its because its not connected to anything. Often planners add things like bike and pedestrians rights of way for brownie points and not actual functionality.
>>71091750
Costs calories senpai
>>71097089
Think of the funds though. They suddenly start charging rego, and they get money from that. Then standoff hipster faggots try to cycle without rego all the time and the cops get to fine them for that, and the fines could be something like 200 bucks. Within a year we'd have more hospitals staffed and potholes filled.
>>71091398
>Why do leftist cities have bike lanes?
because leftist cities are full of bike culture faggots that pretend motor vehicles don't exist and literally beg to get smeared on the pavement every time they get on the road
>>71091398
Good idea. Honestly wish conservative cities had them too, would cut down on fatties.
>>71091398
I can see how they can be good, but only in the right places. Here in houston they are trying to make dedicated bike lanes. I have no problems with this usually, they are doing great things connecting all of the parks this way. However, the new lanes take away one lane of traffic for it. This means more traffic. Perhaps if this was offset by less cars, but it isn't. Houston is like 90 f amd humid all of time. If not that it is raining. And most live far outside biking distances anyways. These bike lines go unused because of this. Maybe it can work in california where it is nice all year round, but not in some places.
>>71091678
This. I fucking hate cyclists but at least the bike lanes keep the out of the real road.
>>71095739
Fucking 10/10 anon. Saved.
>>71091398
So when their economies collapse people can still get to the Health and Human Services office easily
BIKERS GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR LANES YOU FAGGOTS
>>71096296
cars are destroying the fresh air around us fuckboy
what the hell do you talk about taxing environmentally friendly ways of transportation dickface ?
Because it's another way to sneakily destroy masculinity and fertility. Biking regularly LITERALLY destroys your testes and sperm. The pressure of the seat and/or bike shorts combined with the heat do the trick. And YES this is happening even if you feel completely comfortable.
>>71094165
Public streets where bike lanes show up are generally paid by the general taxes to the local government.
Gas taxes go to the state or federal governments who are in charge of the express regional roads. These rarely get bike lanes.
>>71096525
I want to believe. Well played, if true, my weeb brethren.
>>71096296
you are a stupid fucking idiot
>>71096525
I wouldn't call him a biker, just a scumbag trying to get a quick buck off insurance fraud.
>>71097588
>He fell for the global warming meme
At first I was disappointed, for a split second I thought Russia was posting this, now I just see its a Dutch Cuck. All is well.
>>71095127
Im a bike rider and would be happy to pay a rego for my bike aslong as it goes towards matienve of bike lanes and infustructure porjects for bikeways
>>71095739
the fact that this image is getting such nice comments is evidence of cyclists being dicks just for the hell of it
>>71097444
car lanes are highways. most roads are for a variety of traffic.
>>71097645
>>71097588
By the way we all have ID's, you know we can see you samefagging right?
>>71094292
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFFrsvgu1Y
>>71091810
Is this why a lot of Harley riders I see are overweight?
Leftists only put in social programs that benefit them.
What you thought that new bike lane was for blacks?
Leftism works where there is money, that is why lefties are against school choice, they don't want poor niggers in their schools, they want uncle toms and tokens.
Lefties are racist pigs
>>71095739
>>cagers get mad when I'm on the road
Let's see if your idiot brain can understand.
If you're weaving along the edge of the road, then I have to move to the left to not smear you with thousands of pounds of metal. This means I'm edging out into oncoming traffic. Of course I can wait for an opportune moment, but on morning commutes there's no such thing - which means I either need to creep along at your peddly-bike speed with a thousand pissed off drivers behind me, or else I need to thread the needle with not getting into a head-on on one side and not running down your smug and stupid ass on the other.
Let's not even start in on the relative value of your smug self regard versus the actual congestion caused by your literally idiotic presence in traffic - after all, you getting your exercise is far, far more important than the literally hundreds of other people who have to slow down and watch out for you just to accommodate your lifestyle choices.
Of course then we come to an intersection. At least there's some entertainment value in seeing whether you've decided to be a vehicle today and actually obey the rules of the road, or if today you're Peter Pan and you're just going to swan out into the middle of traffic because fuck anyone else except yourself.
>>71097661
australia shit posting again .go sniff some gasoline you abbocunt
>>71097693
your going 10 miles per hour in a 35, get off the fucking road
>>71091398
Ride bikes or walk, you fat niggers. I live in a rural area and ride my bike everywhere or walk. Seriously, you're all so fucking stupid if you have a car when you can do either of these things.
>>71091398
>ever visiting a city
>>71097637
That's what happens when you put your entire life online for everyone to see. A friend of mine says i went to far but maybe that guy wont try something like that again.
>>71097711
i just forgot to mention how much of a stupid fucking idiot you are.
i am fully aware of the fact we have id's here you gasoline sniffing abbo fuckboi
>>71093868
>Seriously outside extreme liberal cities. No one gives a crap about bike lanes.
Maybe because the largest cities are all fairly liberal, maybe because in these very large very busy cities there is a fuckton of traffic and it's very dangerous to ride a bike.
I'm sure a bike lane is a massive waste in states like Idaho and Ohio, but in a big city a bike lane is a god send unless you really love getting murdered because you have to share the road with fuckwits checking instagram instead of their lanes.
>>71097956
thats the speed limit you idiot. I can drive my farm equipment, ride my golf cart, heard my sheep, walk, or ride my bicycle on the road as i please.
>>71097051
If you want to come up with cherry picked scenarios that happen to profit the local vicinity be my guest, I'll bring a few of my own and by the way that previous scenario I brought up is totally feasible since we're pulling up whatever scenario we please.
>local tower wants to go up next to a few other towers in my city
>local tower is on top of historical structure and blocks views from other tower
>street infrastructure below can't handle this tower
>design is also ugly
>property values lower on surrounding tower and the units can't sell unless you sell at them at a loss because tower blocks views
>everyone wants to move into new tower, decreasing property value for the surrounding area
>factory maker wants to put up a factory in a residential neighborhood
>pollution, waste run off, noise, ugliness
>will consequently lower property values
>oh look, it's zoned so shit like this can't be put in
>developer wants to put up below market rate apartments so niggers can move in
>niggers move in, crime rate skyrockets, property values decrease
>t. white flight during the 20th century
>developer can't because zoning restrictions forbid below market rate housing and project style commie blocks
test
>>71094292
you lazy fuck. Ignorant fucks like you are the reason Jimmy Carter failed in his efforts to end US dependency on middle eastern oil.
cars are literal cancer. Roads and parking garages make cities more hostile to walking and biking because everything is more spread out.
Also car companies are fucking evil. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
>>71096291
Yes they were passed a year ago in qld 1m rule and your only allowed to cross double lines if it's safe to do so. I read the law so you cant lie to me about it
>>71097711
>>71091398
>living in the urban jew
>just nigger things
>>71096525
Thats great if true
>>71098061
>developer wants to put in a box store with a massive parking lot
>traffic goes up, noise goes up, street infrastructure is destroyed, everyone is negatively affected
>developer wants to put a parking lot around a clusterfuck of century old streets
>everyone suffers because it's hard to get in and out of parking lot
>developer wants to put a skyscraper in a residential neighborhood
>doesn't automatically increase property values because it's inaccessible, no one drives to a residential neighborhood to hang out and in general not a place people want to be
>developer wants to put a building set back 20 yards from the street
>zoning requires building to be set on street to preserve the historic street wall and preserve aesthetics for neighborhood
I know it's really "cool" and "edgy" to just face reality instead of letting it fuck you in the ass like a cynically depraved 35 year old that gets off to giving up, but zoning laws are pretty solid sometimes so there isn't rampant overbuilding that becomes like Pruitt-Igoe projects that are torn down 10 years later because nobody had the insight to plan ahead and foresee problems that might arise from these type of structures right in the center of a city grid.
Urban planners put in zoning for a reason, and believe it or not they also like to provide economic stimulus to an area while creating a win situation for residents that like living there. They are far more qualified than chucklefucks like you that advocate rampant zoning then think they're in the clear because of cherry picked scenarios that have actually occurred in the past and completely backfired a decade down the road just wasting more tax dollars tearing shit down and readjusting utility and transport infrastructure.
>you can do whatever you want when you want!!!
Literal mindset of a 8 year old. Blow your fucking brains out.
>>71098058
that doesn't mean you're not a cunt
>>71091398
Bikes are perfect for neets who want some fresh air but can't afford a car or get anxious from riding a buss full of other people.
In Tokyo they all just ride on the sidewalk. Literally works fine as long as you are not a retard and can avoid running into people. Save the roads for the cars. You already have sidewalk bike lanes that are mostly empty anyways.
>>71091487
>three lane road with turn lane in middle
>liberals install bike lanes
>now a two lane road with people trying to make left turns from the only lane of traffic
>traffic congestion has exploded so that some faggot hipsters and pedal to their yoga sessions
Fuck you
What is a left wing/right wing city? Because it seems to me that every city becomes leftist once it hits a certain population. And once it hits that level of people, its not surprising that there are going to be a variety of demands from the populace compared to a smaller city.
>>71098334
This is better. Shitting up the roadways and slowing traffic with faggots in lycra is awful.
And if they are going to be on the road they need to follow the laws of the road, like stopping at red lights.
>>71094292
You pay license and registration as a form of road maintenance tax. Bikes don't wear on and degrade roads in the same way vehicles do. Also, most people who own bikes also own vehicles.
Retard
>>71091398
Usually arises as a reaction to prominent people dying while riding bikes.
>>71098061
>Example 1
So they want to move from the towers nearby into the new one? Thats just business in action. You're also dealing with a scenario where this infrastructure was already build, the spiking/increase of values has /already occurred/ of course most stuff is only going to go down from here. Cmon Anon.
>Example 2
If there was no zoning already, it could only go on the edge of a residential neighborhood unless it got everyone in the neighborhood to sell where it wanted to insert. In that case, there would be plenty of warning and people could also sell their homes to those who wanted to work in the factory. I'll concede that if this happened in a large population town- it would decrease values. The problem here is, it /cant/ happen in a large population town, unless it was at the literal edge of a housing development. Anything built around it after that would thus be unlikely to be more homes, but instead another factory or infrastructure based around it. So this scenario is invalidated.
>Example 3
You're right about this and thats the irony, unfortunately. This happens all the time even within zoned areas. They put up low income housing wherever the fuck they want, and you cannot say no because the zoning commission will enforce city council/etc on placing it there.
In a situation with /no/ zoning, they can't build the low income housing unless someone sells their plots. It could still happen, but the funny thing is, they dont normally "do" low income housing in non-zoned muncipalities. The entire reason it gets forced on you in zoned municipalities is because those same zoning commissions and council are the ones who push for it. You are more likely to deal with a low-income housing injection in a zoned municipality than a non-zoned one.
Three strikes anon, maybe 2.5. Its okay if you want ty try again :^) if you try to sass me, please put in some effort in the reply.
>>71098421
don't over complicate things for the average pol user m8.
Things should all be left or right else things become incomprehenseable fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWf5fbSUNAg
>>71098258
My guess is regarding property development and urban planning you're at the apex of Mt. Stupid because you heard some shit that confirmed your selection bias and now you go on Laotian flare gun forums spouting stuff that just happens to confirm what you think. Go to your local college and take a fucking urban planning class before you once again come off as insufferable twat has no clue what he's talking about.
>>71098372
and then they ride like three bikers wide so they take up some of the car traffic lanes too.
A busy 3 lane street in my area had a lane completely changed to a bike lane. Now it's only a 2 lane street with a hardly used bike lane.
Who thought this was a good idea? This street gets congested as fuck now, not to mention the potholes.
If anyone here goes to UTD, what do you think of the new bike lanes?
>>71091398
Bikes:
-Pros
> No air pollution
> No noise pollution
> Good for public health
> Stick it to the Jew by not buying a car (don't be a faggot gentile)
-Cons
> they are "leftist" and therefore bad
>>71098575
>that pic
Well done mods. That's actually pretty nice.
>>71098476
>bikes dont degrade roads
We both know that, Retard
>bike lanes require upkeep, paint, enforcement
Woops guess who forgot the other 90% of the subject?
>>71098476
>>71098258
>I know it's really "cool" and "edgy" to just face reality instead of letting it fuck you in the ass like a cynically depraved 35 year old that gets off to giving up, but zoning laws are pretty solid sometimes so there isn't rampant overbuilding that becomes like Pruitt-Igoe projects that are torn down 10 years later because nobody had the insight to plan ahead and foresee problems that might arise from these type of structures right in the center of a city grid.
I live in Houston, a city with no zoning laws, and I agree. The only issue I have with zoning laws is that it increases the price on the good residential areas to the point that you pretty much have to be earning high 5 figures to low six figures minimum, to afford property there. That is just a natural consequence of artificial limitation of the market, however.
Here in Houston, its common for a low-rent apartment complex to pop up in a neighborhood with decent homes. Not rich homes, but the owners keep them up and its a nice area, nice enough to raise a family in. But the apartment complex, either initially or eventually, becomes inhabited by ghetto types, and white flight is initiated; causing property values to drop, and then the whole area becomes a no-go zone.
Why do liberal men have such...nasally voices?
>>71098566
btw this opinion was left .
(just mention this so people wont have to think about this for a very long time if my comment was left or right )
>>71094292
that's because biking as a form of commute is uncommon so only douchebag hipsters end up doing it. if a large enough percentage of the population started biking it would be more normalized.
>>71093868
You're an idiot. That's like saying taxi lanes are mostly empty. Or that carpool lanes are usually vacant. Ok, let's get ride of the carpool lane and have one more lane of bumper to bumper traffic.
>>71098548
Once again, your viewing each scenario as dichotomy. This is where an urban planner, somebody skilled in reaching compromises between two parties like this, steps in and finds a solution that everyone can enjoy. It IS possible to find economic stimulus while keeping everyone happy. Not just saying "hahaha fuck you I'm building a factory here because I want to". In this case the city might welcome a factory, and may even give tax credits to develop it elsewhere or yes REZONE land in a different part of the city to let the factory be built.
>>71092394
>my math professor believed in peak oil therefore it's legit
And Isaac Newton was an alchemist and thought he'd been ordained by God.
Fuck off it means nothing.
>>71098958
I answered 2/3 as both actually. But its alright anon.
>>71094165
>Take up road space
How much road space exactly? A tenth of a percent? Bike lanes account for very little pavement in the country. It's not like there are bike lanes along the freeway.
>>71096525
>things that never happened, the post
>>71099102
>urban planning and zoning restrictions are excellent compromises to overzealous developers
Glad we could reach an agreement.
>>71097711
>For a second there you really had me because you proved to me how futile my point is but tough luck you double posted looks like I win better luck next time
>>71098910
That isn't an issue if a car pool lane is less empty if the number of people ultimately riding it increases/day. I never see bike lanes make up for the lost patronage that would be used for a car lane.
>>71096133
Kek'd and checked.
Why do rightist cities have toll roads?
>>71095230
I love how Texas thinks they're ultra right and conservative, but then have immigration like what.
>>71098702
mouthbreathing?
>>71091398
Because prevention is cheaper than medicine
>>71098613
>-Cons
>> they are "leftist" and therefore bad
That's what you get with your stupid American flavoured political machine in blue and red. And each time you flip the coin, all in office flips too for no reason other than nepotism...
>>71099182
Thats only half of the reality but its okay Anon, I'll count this as something since you seem to have at least learned a little from it.
>>71096296
:^)
Copenhagen is one of the cities with the most bikes per capita.
Here everyone rides their bike, myself included. People are generally good at being aware of the rules and other trafficants. The roads are only filled with cars during rush hour when people form the suburbs drive to work or drive home. Otherwise traffic runs really smoothly and the air, even in the city center, is really clean
There's no 'type' as to who rides their bike here. Both faggots, numales, SJWs, fascist and natsocs ride their bikes
>>71099187
>guy just calls me an asshole
>hurr durr that guy almost had you
Cute. Looks like I got someone flustered! Step up to the plate anon :^)
>>71099446
And I see your damage control, talking down tactics have improved as well. We all benefit.
>>71091398
Wish my city had them. We don't even have sidewalks, and I'm a poorfag who has to ride a bike. Bretty scary straddling the white line between the grass and two tons of death desu senpai
>>71095230
Also, here's a good reason why do want zoning restrictions. You don't want explosive plants next to residential areas just because it saves the manufacturers/owners a few bucks. Most cities have zoning for this reason.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/survivor-texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-recalls-horror-article-1.1324837
>>71095230
AFAIK it's just Houston that has no zoning. We have bike lanes here.
>>71099460
>Calculations conveniently count the cost of cycling minus the road costs to vehicles
Look reddit finally learned how to upload propaganda! Isn't it cute
>>71099308
It's as right and conservative as you can get when you have some 20 million people and three of the larger/largest cities in the nation. By comparison, California and New York are within a few million, and we all know where they stand.
>>71099586
>Its another "He's just going to keep replying till he F5's for 10 mins and he's still last" episode"
You've already lost anon. I'm gonna keep you running the track just for the laughs now.
>>71096525
pics or it didn't happen, faggot
>>71099045
We can nowadays do "alchemy" like transform lead to gold with particle accelerators and a lot of scientists believe in intelligent design.
>>71099834
>says the guy doing the exact same thing
>more damage control
You are really good at this. You must get BTFO quite often.
>>71099704
I think it's accurate. Cars and semis destroy the fuck out of roads which cause them to need fixing constantly while bike lanes can go ages without needing support if you build it right the first time. That's why cities like Amsterdam pay practically nothing for road maintenance while large everyone-drives-hour-to-work-and-back cities like Dallas are never ending roadwork.
>>71099925
>His best shot is to constantly mimic what I said with more attitude
>unironically says "btfo"
Please. Have some class. I realize this is an online image board but you must have /some/ self respect left anon.
red-pilled right libertarian that has lived in chicago on the north side (the white part) for 12 yrs. bike lanes everywhere, they're great to have, use them all the time especially in summer.
You guys ready for some triggering?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s5JNsxb2K8
>>71100079
>he tries to deflect not having dignity by saying you should have some class on 4chan
>thinks he deserves anymore than hearing how retarded he sounds from another perspective
Haha, well done anon. Nothing like deluding yourself. BTFO.
>>71100249
I'm pretty sure I know who you are.
Are you your initials SP?
>>71100444
Nope. Nice double-dub trip though.
>>71097212
Registration, insurance, and a bikers license.
>>71091487
fucking cunt cyclist detected
>have a cycling lane
>still ride on the road
>still ride on the foot path
>>71091398
But bikes are the greatest invention ever
>>71091620
OR the US since we're a net exporter of freedom fuel.
>>71091398
>taking two wheeled cancer from the main roads
how is that bad?
>>71091600
Yeah, which is why the cyclist-free areas like expressways have the least amount of traffic.
>cyclist group runs red light
>cop right there
>cop does nothing
why are cops so lazy?
>>71091398
White genocide.
>>71100343
>btfo btfo
>blah blah blah
Keep running the hamster wheel anon. I love seeing you angry. I'm eating right now as I read every word and I can taste it like a spice on my food.
>>71101046
He's scared of the superior cyclist alpha male dominating him in a confrontation.
>>71099837
Cant do that i have court coming up.
>>71100931
>>71098747
>>71098566
>>71098048
>>71097954
>>71094664
Nerdland bros gotta explain something to me. For as much as the country commutes by bikes, why don't you all get some decent bikes? Everyone in that country is riding their grandma's hand-me-down wheels. I noticed the Norwegians spent some money and had some pride in their bikes.
This is now a bike love thread.
>>71101333
Bike seats cut off circulation to your balls and decrease your fertility.
>>71101333
the fuck is wrong with his knees and the sore steroids puncture on his arm?
ITT: OP confuses the term "liberal" with "well-planned"
>>71091398
I don't live in a lefty city and we have those
>>71101392
>why don't you all get some decent bikes?
Those bikes are perfectly fine. But, still trying to answer your question, they have those bikes in order to drive to somewhere, and not to show how bio/green/smug assholes they are. They don't define themself by those bicycles. Those are just tools, not a lifestyle.
>>71097048
>get motorcycle
>arrive FASTER because you can LANE SPLIT and travel at speeds in excess of 100mph
>have to pay for fuel 80+ MPG less than the cost of a cup of coffee per day
>NEVER have to pay for parking because you can squeeze your bike into the spaces between cars
Motorcycles are superior vehicles and bicycles are for children and faggots.
>>71092913
OK. /pol in general is like an abscessed rectum.
But that looks fucking delicious.
>>71101593
Lane splitting is illegal in my state.
>they do it anyways
>the cops don't care
>>71101392
Because the shitty bikes get the job down done as well. Also they get stolen all the time.
>>71098476
>Bikes don't wear on and degrade roads in the same way vehicles do.
Roads still need maintenance even if no one uses them. Building roads still costs money regardless of future wear. If bikers would be fully charged for expanding roads by bike lanes they would never be able to afford them. Literally free riders (economic term google it).
>>71101426
>said a scientist unironically named Goldberg who was later disproved by anyone who peer reviewed
http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20140709/cycling-male-infertility
>>71094049
Americans drives literally everywhere
/pol/ really is full of stupid cucks and faggots.
>>71095230
I'm in Austin right now and literally can see a bike lane from the window in front of me.
>>71101097
Good, I'm actually jerking it to your pleasure. Glad to hear.
>>71101576
Oh c'mon bruh you mean you don't have a Trek bike with Shimano gears and a Nalgene bottle? Lol are you a poorfag? I bet you wear normie clothes when you "ride" too, haha, get with the times, faggot; you aren't a REAL cyclist.
God I hate bike supremacists.
>>71091525
>he believes a finite resource is infinite
>>71102237
>God I hate bike supremacists.
Yeah, but any "clique"/club is pretty gay.
Not that lonewolfing is the answer, but one could also stand above all that crap.
>MUHHH IDENTITY..
>>71091398
Because they're doing the leftist thing of pandering to the minority and crippling the majority.
I drive. I have to, everything is too far from me not too, and objectively cyclists are a plague on the road. That being said i do like to ride down bike lanes on my motorbike sometimes, scares the shit out of cyclists.
The roads are for cars. Heavy fast moving cars. Bikes are neither of those things. If i was riding a skateboard down the freeway I'd get arrested, and rightly so because I'm not a car, I'm a hazard.
Drivers pay to use the already overcongested and undermaintained roads, cyclists don't.
A few I've seen do their best to avoid traffic and ride with awareness that they're slow and vulnerable, but most ride side by side and clog up major roads. I've even had lycra clad cunts ride up at stop lights and rest on my car. One decided to grab onto my spoiler once for a free ride when i took off. He was promptly run off the road.
I can see some dumb fucks here will ignore valuable things or not learn from someone/something because it's labeled "leftist". I live in a pretty alt-right tier city central balkans and we're building kilometers of these now because there are so many cars you can't breathe, to at least get young adults off the car. Fuck the american lifestyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M
>>71091398
Bike lanes ties into Obama stimulus pkg., my city had to put them in for taking federal funds for repair work, they take money for that and they need to comply with other mandatory stuff. Sucks, but that's what happened in many cities.
>>71103967
There's three options when it comes to bikes.
A. Uphold current laws, and have them use shared lanes.
B. Uphold current laws, and have them use designated lanes.
C. Change current laws, and have them use no lanes.
Most people who bike would prefer option C.
Most people who walk would prefer anything other then option C.
Most people who drive would prefer anything other then option A.
Therefore option B is the solution that appeases the majority.
The exact fucking opposite of the "pander to the minority" shit you are saying.
We use them even in the military for quick deployments and with great success.
Behold, the swiss military bike (pic. related).
>>71103967
You're full of shit
>>71104211
You again! How you been leaf shill?
And not quite, B appeases no one, see a majority of road users are CARS, a minority of road users are BIKES.
Bike lanes pander to BIKE riders who are the MINORITY, and having cyclist safe spaces pisses off DRIVERS who are the MAJORITY, making B a shitty choice.
Option D: Ride your tricycle on the footpath and stay off the road.
>>71104494
Ok, how so?
>>71091398
Its unfair. Bikers dont pay road tax but yet get to use the road.
>>71091398
What's the fucking point? Can't you just make a decently sized sidewalk and just split that from the middle?
Sidewalks generally speaking have a lot less traffic than car lanes and in the event there is traffic, the ones going by foot generally are not the ones who are in a hurry.
+ you'd save a ton of paint each year when. You don't need to repaint that path whenever it wears down by weather to the point that nobody can see it.
>>71104287
Does a scooter and a skateboard fold out from the chassis?
>>71104621
Your option D is the option C I listed. Which pedestrians are heavily against. There are more pedestrians then cyclists, so lawmakers shy away from that option.
You say you're against option B because you don't want them to have their own lane. Does that mean you support option A then? Having them in the same lane as motor vehicles?
Because the only possible 4th option, is making human powered vehicles illegal to operate. And that's really not a possibility at all.
>>71104621
Riding on the sidewalk is illegal because of how many people get run over. Sorry bub but anyone urban city designer worth his/her salt wouldn't give that idea a second look.
>>71101932
>Yes anon, give me that hot baby batter.
>>71095739
Man I kinda want to try this, but when I'm drunk.
>>71094292
Somebody's dad never taught their fat ass to ride a bike
>>71091398
Cucked again
