Guys, no memes.
I am debating with my professor about the holohoax. I need sources that are not 'racist'.
>>70951606
It happened. Get over it.
The Holocaust happened, and it was terrible.
>>70951606
>Falling for the holohoax meme
I bet you think the Earth is flat too
>>70951606
Isn't the burden of proof on him, not you?
Ask him if there's photographic evidence for anyone being gassed. I mean millions died that way, there must be something, right?
The Holocaust happened, but its scale and ramifications have been massively overblown. Try reading "The Holocaust Industry", a very good book on the subject.
>>70952324
Why would they make photo of it ?
>>70952516
It was an enormous industrial killing project, or so it's said. Why aren't there any pictures of a gas chamber?
>>70951606
'Here is the one single thing you need:
Our western tradition is about questioning everything. Nothing is above scruitanly.
AS LONG AS people are arrested and imprisoned for studying this topic and coming to the "wrong" conclusion, this subject is OBJECTIVELY up for grabs in the halls of academia. There is literally no other honest way to do this.
There has LITERALLY NEVER BEEN A LAW needed to defend the truth. Laws are needed to defend dogma (the holocaust).
The holocaust are articles of faith, and neither argument reaches closure as long as researchers are prohibited from doing their jobs.
Anything else is asserting dogma outside of the western tradition.
Repeat this. You will be cleansed in righteousness.
>>70952324
Why do you stormfags deny the holocaust?
You're as bad as Mudslimes
>>70952516
>Why would they make photo of it ?
Why wouldn't they? It's not like Germans are crazy efficient or something . . . is it?
How do you deny pictures of bones stacked to the fucking ceiling. You can't be that retarded can you?
>>70951606
Summer 39' till 1945.
Let's round that up to six years.
6 milion jews in 6 years.
6*365 = 2190 + 1(44' was a leap day year).
2191 days.
2191*24 = 52584 hours.
52560 * 60 = 3155040 minutes.
3153600*60 = 189302400 seconds.
6,000,00/189302400 ~= 0.03169
0.03169 Jews per second, for six years.
Or 0.03169*60 = 1.9
1,9 Jews per minute for 6 years.
Considering they used shitty methods for the first few years, and used camps in the later years, the numbers seem to be exaggerated.
114 jews per hour every day?
2738 jews every day?
>>70952820
That shows a fucking ton of people died. But you realize it could've been disease, they could've been Germans, etc right?
>>70952667
pretty good, desu.
Truth never needed defense of law, said your thomas jefferson.
>>70952072
The holocaust happened and it was great
>>70952924
Pretty shitty gas chamber, unless we're talking about super efficient and scientific people. I mean, it's not like Germans are known for being efficient, amirite??
>>70951606
Jews were rounded up sure, some died, but gas and ovens are doubtful.
>>70952883
Answer my question, tard.
Is your name Ahmed by any chance?
>>70952924
The "Auschwitz" building isn't original. The Russians demolished then rebuilt it.
>>70953154
>people died in WW2
OH THOSE POOOOOOOR JEWS!!! Their lives are worth so much more than our goyim lives!
>>70953121
And how should gas chamber look, burger ?
The Rudolf Report is pretty good read if you ask me.
>>70953231
I know, and thats why there are retards who thinks that holocaust wasnt real.
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>>70953163
>They fell for the Holocaust is real meme
>>70953072
>Weeee wooo weeee wooo
>>70953255
>And how should gas chamber look, burger ?
If they're homicidal gas chambers, they could star by being air-tight.
Pro-tip: air-tight chambers don't have wooden doors with screens on them, like the auchwitz chambers.
Also, do you have any retort to the FACT that the allies never found death camps? How is it that only the soviets found death camps?
>inb4 allied antisemitism
Reminder that Jews are going to do to the US what they did to Germany.
>>70952874
>2738 jews every day?
that's pretty good.
but I wish that they did a better job, even if that would be very hard
>>70953251
You know that, at holocaust ceremonies, at least at schools...
They never bring up other victims! only the '6' million!
That got me annoyed every fucking boring ceremony
>>70953385
Auschwitz was totally real. It had a swimming pool for the inmates and everything. I mean, don't all death camps?
>>70951606
>I am debating with my professor about the holohoax.
you done fucked up lil nigga
>>70953499
> holocaust ceremonies
Tell me about your holocaust ceremonies Jew.
Do you mean Yad Vashem or is this some kind of daily ritual for you people?
>>70953163
Typical shill response. You're full of shit.
>>70953499
I am the only one left of my family lineage because four were killed in WW2 in Europe.
Just to piss off jews, I had 4 kids.
>>70952979
RARE DESU
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>>70952820
>/pol/ defending the holohoax
what a sad state of affairs
I hate 2016
>>70951606
whatever you say, check nizkor.org before you make an argument
90% of the stuff i see here was discredited long ago
>>70953438 read >>70953231
It doesnt really need to be air-tight because Zyklon B is solid
>>70951606
It happend pal, let it go
>>70953628
They take highschools to Yad Vashem.
I'm talking about what they did at school.
Like I'm sure they have some kind of thing in 9/11 in America?
There is a school ceremony, everyone has to wear white shirt, and some kids are holding the ceremony:
Reading some survivor story,
talking a lot about the holocaust,
saying how many died at which camps
National Anthem
Repeat
Boring af
That's it basically
>>70953748
Nope. It's a solid impregnated with a very volatile liquid (hydrocyanic acid). Any exposure to that stuff, you dead nigga.
>>70953687
we trolled people by doing neo-nazi shit for years
then it attracted actual neo-nazis
your fault for fundamentally not understanding what 4chan is
>>70952979
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>>70953919
>"we're not actually racist, it's just a joke!"
Fuck off shill.
>>70952979
Aren't you people all in jail for pedophilia?
>>70953826
How many shekels is merkel tossing you for that comment?
>>70953919
>>70953996
Is it a coincidence that the word JEWelry is spelled like that?
>>70953847
Gotta maintain that victimhood complex so you can go out and kill Palestinian kids, after all.
I think denying the holocaust is moral even if it happened, because the holocaust is only used to justify evil wars.
>>70953748
>Zyklon B is solid
K. It's also REALLY INEFFICIENT for killing people. It's super efficient for killing lice, however.
I mean, it's not like Germans are known for their efficiency, is it?
Here's the thing--the losers in genocide don't get to talk. They don't make endless movies, they don't populate a whole 'nother country, and they don't inhabit chinese basket-weaving forums to insist that their deaths happened.
The game is up, jews. Holocaust as stated didn't happened. Lots of ppl died in ww2, you're nothing special, and going forward you're just another voice in the cacophony of competing ethnic interests that make up the U.S. Above all, that is your doing. Enjoy being the instrument of your own parasitic demise.
>>70954058
3 without tax
>>70953748
>Zyklon B is solid
Nigga what? Zyklon B is a cyanide based insecticide gas that was shipped as pellets that had to be heated to release the gas. They did not throw Jews down a slide into a room full of poison pellets like some kind of genocidal ball pit.
>>70953847
>Like I'm sure they have some kind of thing in 9/11 in America?
Not 70 yrs later, Hellenebro.
>>70954193
>he doesn't know about the holocoaster
>>70953996
You shtick is unamusing to me
>>70951606
holy shit op how did you approach him with the topic? i can only imagine how awkward it must have been in the classroom when you raised your hand and made your claim while the whole class snickered and laughed.
>>70954146
Best Irony.
Did you see that video of a soldier shooting the terrorist who looked already beaten and not moving on the floor?
>>70954222
You have ceremonies in schools for somethnig, don't you?
>>70954193
>>70954151
Get your facts right people.
Zyklon-B is a solid (clay or paper, depending on the manufacture) which gives off an extremely poisonous gas (HCN).
It kills people a lot more easily than it kills insects.
>>70953640
Okay Ahmed
>>70954421
>terrorist
Why don't you just get on with it and gas all the Palestinians? The world will probably forgive you in 80 years, you've got nukes so nobody will dare stop you, and you'll have your Judenreich forever.
>>70953919
Typical shill post
>>70954421
>You have ceremonies in schools for somethnig, don't you?
Not sure, kids are too young.
I would say, "no." Maybe something for "muh patriot day." 70 years from now? No, ridiculous, and it'd never be an excuse to murder people like the holocaust is for jews to clear out their racial living space.
>>70954483
He's right though.
>>70954146
Think that answers my question about whether or not you're a Mudslime.
>>70953422
kek
This is how I recognized a tritone.
>>70951606
lol... Sources that are not from any neo nazi source? That's pretty optimistic.
>>70952874
Are you fucking retarded?
They were able to kill 2 Jews per minute because they had a lot of camps.
>>70951606
All you can really do is point to its hyperbole and use as propaganda that you (may or may not) feel is being used for ulterior motives.
> The figures (6mil)
> The fact that jews were agents of either Capitalism or Bolshevism and militant about it.
> The fact that it is still used to extract money and allegiance from those who were either fighting for them or not involved.
>>70954559
I guess that it would bring obvious consequences.
There will be no real solution. Either one's out, or the other, or it stays as it is.
>>70954598
Well, we also have memorial day for all the soldiers who died, luckily I finished highschool so I don't need to hear that boring shit again
It happened, but the gas chamber thing was overblown.
Basically it wasn't as 'systematic' as we are led to believe.
It was executions in the field… same shit happened to other ethnic groups, but we only care about jews because they make a movie about it every 2 weeks
>>70951606
Dont do it. You'll get yourself in trouble
>>70952874
delete this
>>70954428
Was about to post that.
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>>70954193
Why od every stupid conspiracy comes from burgerland ?
They make money out of it, and so fucking what ? I would do same.
You can literally go and speak with someone who survived, I did, and everything he said was accurate.
>>70954428
>It kills people a lot more easily than it kills insects.
No aerosoled intoxicant would be that way. It's not how "air" works, dipshit.
Any nervo-intoxicant that works on a large creature would work on a smaller creature sooner in a dosage cycle.
But please, keep lying to us about the holocaust. It's just funny at this point.
ZB is the type of poison you would use to fumigate luggage, (or people if you dgaf about them) in 1942. It's what they used a generation earlier at Ellis Island.
Are you going to say that America was holocausting jews at ellis island? Shit, don't answer that, taxes already high without paying extra reparations.
>>70954428
That was exactly what I said. HCN is hydrogen cyanide which in Zyklon B was created by heating the agent in the pellets with water.
>>70951606
Firstly: The official total death toll is around 3.3 million now. That's using the upper end of the new per-camp estimates for the "death camps", and it includes everyone, not just the Jews.
Aushwitz: 1 100 000
Treblinka: 900 000
Belzec: 600 000
Chelmo: 340 000
Sobibor: 250 000
Majdanek: 78 000
= 3 268 000
(Figures are from Wikipedia, so if they're biased, then it's in favour of the official story.)
>>70954650
How's he right?
>>70954970
>Why od every stupid conspiracy comes from burgerland ?
How does telling you that you're retarded for not even understanding the basic mechanics of the event amount to a conspiracy? What you said was inaccurate and all I did was point that out.
>>70954573
They always aim to define "what 4chan is"
There is information and opinion
Thats it.
> It just happens to focus on social criticism and the most obvious thing is modern liberal/lefty bullshit.
>>70954803
They used the camps in the late years, not in the whole 6 I used the math in.
It just seems a bit, suspicious, that's all.
>>70951606
how about a source saying that it happened but isnt jewish?
>>70954983
> arguing with me by trying to make up words
Sorry Tyrone, your education needs a lot of work. D-.
>>70954999
No water required. The HCN was just adsorbed on the pellet. With room temperature heat it vaporizes quickly
>>70954970
>You can literally go and speak with someone who survived
Name? There are only a few survivors who talk about it, and they're all well-recorded.
Was it Bomba? He's the most blabby kike who will talk about ww2, Pro-tip: he's pretty far out there about german moon-holocaust technology.
>>70951606
Ask why Jews always seem to be the remembered fallen in WWII, yet millions of Chinese and Eastern bloc civilians aren't.
>>70954913
It's easy math everyone can do, why do you even care?
>>70955087
Accusing people of being muslims is what shills do. You know it's not actually true, you just do it for shilling purposes.
>>70954983
Yes because animals are all the same and aren't immune to certain toxins and poisons that can kill other species yes yes very good sir yes
I've got him against the wall! He is resorting to 'muh eyewitnesses'.
>>70953996
>>70954103
>my anime imageboard is the last bastion of white supremacy! deus vult hail hitler!
>>70955336
Chemical engineer masters (with thesis program) from FIT, 2008.
Consult for FWP and NOAA, 2008-present.
Come at me, faggot.
>>70955506
> Chemical engineer masters
You should ask for your money back.
Or at least look up how cyanide poisoning works before you embarrass yourself further.
>>70955369
No, it's not. It's something a rational neutral person without an agenda would recognise: that stormfags quite ironically share a lot in common with Mudslimes.
He didn't have an answer to that, so it's fair to assume the cognitive dissonance made his head explode or he's an actual shilling Mudslime.
>>70955273
well, the term "holocaust" isn´t limited to camp kills but the jewish persecution overall. Thinking that the operation Barbarossa took all around 3.8 million soldiers plus the combat engagment rule of "kill whatever you want in the east ´casue they´re either bolsheviks or jews" it is kinda realistic.
>>70953459
>are going to do
are doing*
Democrats are gonna win in 2016 and we will all succumb to the NWO
>>70955499
>my anime board is just epin trollololololing! XD fucken pwned n00bz
>>70955625
Disliking Jews is something about all non-Jews have in common, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
>>70955635
You can fuck off Jude. Unser Uglueck indeed!
Soon you go away.
>>70955635
Kinda.
But with the wikipedia deaths I just checked summing up to 3.5 mil, I feel a bit cheated that I was taught 6 million died in history class
>you will never wash your genitals and ass with a bar of jew soap
Why even live?
>>70955336
>No water required. The HCN was just adsorbed on the pellet. With room temperature heat it vaporizes quickly
Unfortunately the Wikipedia entry links to a book but if you really care to find it the page number is there.
>Chemists at Degesch added a cautionary eye irritant to a less volatile cyanide compound which reacted with water in the presence of heat to become hydrogen cyanide. The new product was marketed as the pesticide Zyklon (cyclone).
>>70953919
Fuck your mother.
>>70955427
First of all, insects / humans have very different intoxicant profiles.
It has a lot to do w/ the fact that most insects don't have cell reproduction like we do (hence the whole cockroach/nuclear war thing).
Pls stop trying to use this as a method of jewing your way out of guilt--everyone is on to you.
>>70955895
>Why even live?
To see the real holocaust...Israel baptised by flammen.
>>70955998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B
> It consisted of hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid), a cautionary eye irritant, and one of several adsorbents such as diatomaceous earth.
I don't think this is a very substantive argument, but that is just how Z-B worked.
>>70955621
Oh, so it's cyanide now... see pic
>>70953919
>>70955830
3.5? link it? I learned 5.8 mil so I didn´t care much about the 200k "more".
Just out of personal interest: You a jewish Israeli or an atheist, christian etc.? Kinda odd doubting the holocaust in such manner from an israeli
>>70955816
Yeah, I know. Soon you get me by the balls. So Jack, how´s deployment?
>>70956149
We've always been talking about Zyklon B. The active ingredient of which was hydrogen cyanide.
Do you really work for NOAA? I'm starting to doubt climate change is real now if this is the caliber of their people.
>>70951606
Bring up the fact that every death camp was found by the Soviets and not the Americans/allies
>>70955830
>I feel a bit cheated that I was taught 6 million died in history class
How do you think us oldoldfags feel? We were sworn to believe that there was soap and lampshades, and even shrunken heads!
>>70951606
how long is this debate going to take? You posted this exact same shit last week.
>>70955813
Reminder that we all are jews.
https://youtu.be/styLx-iWwC8?t=1h14m41s
>>70951606
If it didn't happen, why support hitler
>>70953919
>we trolled people
>we
kek
>Report of Polish Government in Exile about mass extermination of Jews in Poland, 1942
http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/ministry/polish_diplomacy_archive/collections_online/publication_of_the_ministry_of_foreign_affairs_of_1942__on_the_extermination_of_jews_in_occupied_poland
https://www.msz.gov.pl/resource/e7497fea-f446-4f82-80b1-169d609d697a:JCR
>Report of Auschwitz prisoner, 1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold's_Report
http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/volunteer-for-auschwitz-report-by.html
>>70951606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rhGMCYWqKI
>>70951606
Secondly, there is very little physical evidence for the gas chambers' existence.
Here is one of the gas chambers at Auschwitz. The other is intact but I find it strange that the Nazi's would do such a good job of destroying one, but leave the other without a scratch.
>>70956177
See >>70955086. You can confirm the numbers by checking each camp's page.
Religious populations of the world in 1933.
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>>70956256
No, Zb and Hc are two different things, brought on by changes acted upon each agent.
Not only have you failed to account for this change, but you haven't shown your work w/r/t screen doors in the supposed death chambers.
Anon--the holocaust doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Let it go, and consider the ramifications. Is it really so hard to believe that you've been lied to by people who are--objectively speaking--history's hucksters?
>>70956537
Populations in 1945. Notice that there is no sharp decline that one would expect after muh 6 bubillion. I know it is 12 years later but there should still be a decline of at least one or two million.
People died in the camps in WW2, but it was from typhus, dysentery, and starvation that occurred when the allies bombed all of the German supply routes.
>>70956488
Here is a shot from the intact building at Auschwitz. I don't know about Jews and Soviets but my finger nails sure as shit can't make gouges in concrete.
>>70956256
Why the fuck are you believing in these paid shills and ignorant fuckwads?
>>70955427
Fuck off nigger.
The holohoax is probably the biggest scam ever.
You cant even discuss it without fags popping out and calling you a nazi abstard, denying any kind of fact and going into a Tantrum
>Muh gas chambers
Zyklon b was to keep the Lice away from the prisoners, they shaved them too.
>MUH PILES OF CORPSES
All those faggots died because of typhus.
>MUH STARVING CHILDREN
Why the fuck feed your prisoners when your army needs food first? Blame the allies for destroying the supply lines.
AND DONT FORGET THAT HITLER DEFIED THE BANK AND LOST, THE SAME HAPPENED TO GADDAFI.
>>70956712
I'm open minded about the Holocaust, but you'll just make yourself look silly if you deny basic chemistry.
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>>70956177
>You a jewish Israeli or an atheist, christian etc.? Kinda odd doubting the holocaust in such manner from an israeli
Israeli, Jewish, and an Atheist.
Well, I saw a post on /pol a few days ago about the same math I did, I was curious and tried it myself.
Got me a bit annoyed (since I learned that in school and fully believed it) and I researched more. There are a lot of camps, but they don't look that big.
Also, based on what I learned (If they not lied about that)
The killing methods at first were not so fast, the shootings into mass graves, then gas trucks, meanwhile some ghettos dying out of hunger.
The camps with gas came a bit later. So the 2700 something number seems a bit... fishy.
Some of the older generations in my family died in the holocaust.
I still tried to be open minded and looked at it from a more objective perspective.
>>70956662
> No, Zb and Hc are two different things, brought on by changes acted upon each agent.
The fuck does that mean?
HCN is the active ingredient in ZB.
If you're going to argue you'd better get your facts right.
>>70956446
I own the media scrapbook of one of highest ranking members of the Polensich GIE. Poor stupid Poles....start a fight, get sparked and then get sodomised for decades by their saviours.
>>70956298
What? weren't those some stupid meme rumers?
wtf
>>70954146
This. I was debating some kike on goybook right after Israel bombed Gaza. He was calling all Arabs terrorists but when I asked why jews bombed King's David hotel his answer was because of the holocaust.
>>70956710
Pic related is the sum of physical evidence at Treblinka. Note that archeological digs aren't allowed there "out of respect for the dead".
>>70956712
>>70956537
>>70956708
I find it really funny. Don't you too?
We're talking about the best documented genocide, or at least one of the best documented. There are documents, thousands of eyewitnesses, some of them living up to the date, and unlike you probably believe, NOT all of them are Jewish, there are also Poles among them. They were held in separate different camps miles away from each other, but testimonies are ALWAYS the same - gas chambers and mass killings took place.
Yet, your only way of argumentation is nitpicking.
>WHAT IF gas chambers couldn't burn so many corpses?
>Hey, look, here is a video of ONE prisoner making funny claims!
That's basically your only argument "debunking" the Holocaust "lie".
Also, see >>70956446
>>70951606
Ask teacher for sources that arent jewish.
>>70953255
>And how should gas chamber look, burger ?
Pic related
>>70953438
This desu
>>70956095
>led to the development of Zyklon (later known as Zyklon A), a pesticide which released hydrogen cyanide upon exposure to water and heat
I guess I was thinking of Zyklon A. It actually sounds like it would have been better suited for executions by gassing.
>>70956861
>start a fight
Except it was Hitler who invaded us.
>>70957012
They used diesel engines to gass the jews.
>>70952599
there are m8
>>70956922
Not at all.
Oldfag here ('76). We were taught in the late 80s-early 90s that the holocaust included soap/lampshades, and even shrunken heads. My dad was taught that shrunken heads were a fact, including many other atrocities like gold teeth, massive electric chairs, and more.
It's a truth that is malleable, anon. But each generation had better believe it and repeat it. OR ELSE
>>70956975
I couldn't find any pictures from Belzec because apparently there's nothing there. Chelmno conveniently used trucks apparently, so nothing there either.
Pic related are the gas chambers at Sobibor.
>>70951606
I used to think the Holocaust was real and I sincerely wish it didn't happen, but now that I've came to the conclusion that the original story doesn't add up and that we live in the victors world whose lies shaped the current world we live in I'm actually a bit disappointed it didn't happen.
>>70957153
Pat Buchanan, pls stay :]
>>70956828
Your totally missing the annahilation war in the east for Lebensraum for german people. Jews and russians weren´t even transported to the capms but outright killed. Makes sense if you think about it. What you gonna do? Round up some jews and then transport them to camps to kill them there instead of just murdering them? Nah man. Btw. offical numbers state that during the Lebensraum campaing 2.5 mil jews were killed
>>70956975
That is the mud ( mortar ) side of a tile. What silliness is this?
>>70957161
BZZT.
The Russians built that after they purportedly demolished the originals.
>>70957196
And finally here is a gas chamber from Majdanek. Notice the window which is apparently unbarred. The door also apparently has no evidence of a lock ever being installed.
>>70957161
See >>70956488 & >>70956710 my dude.
>>70957150
Polen agitated for war and was invaded by the Allies @ the same time and not a peep from the UK or France. You wear clown shoes zhidovski.
>>70957184
Lol, this is so stupid
>>70953405
damn it greece, fucking pay debts
>>70957308
>Round up some jews and then transport them to camps to kill them there instead of just murdering them?
This is what we were supposed to believe (Europeans at the risk of their own freedom) for 60+ yrs, so yes, rounding up jews and spending tons of resources they didn't have because they were such ebil raycissists.
You guys have no sense of history.
The things you insist upon now will be "walked back" in the future as the story continues to fall apart under what little scrutiny is allowed. And FWIW--as far as scrutiny, I can insist that George Washington was a lesbian pedophile, but I can't question the fucking holocaust? Anyone not smelling a yuge rat isn't paying attention.
>>70957360
You can lock it with pic related
>>70957318
Correct. It was originally claimed that the mark was proof, but as you already know it was just the logo of the manufacturing company, and is also on the wrong side of the tile.
They apparently also found evidence of a single demolished building using sonar, but weren't allowed to unearth it.
>>70957161
Why are there walls missing which were obviously there before? Sloppy Jewdy....very sloppy.
>>70957502
>Polen agitated for war
It was a Hitler who signed Ribbentrop-Molotov and demanded a chunk of our clay, not otherwise.
>>70957630
Seems a bit crude for a purpose-built extermination room. Not really the Nazi's style.
>>70956233
keeeekk
>>70957196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIF07kWM8o0
>>70957557
Your kids will be taught that the death toll was only 200,000 (OMG PPL died in WW2???), while you would be jailed to say anything under 6million. You'll be dumb-founded, and you'll then be in the same boat I'm in now. Best off just to go off-reservation now and call these kikes out as the liars they are.
>>70957308
How long was it?
It does make sense, and makes the ~2700 a day number a bit more plausible.
But I still think the numbers were a bit exaggerated
>>70955273
>They used the camps in the late years, not in the whole 6 I used the math in.
That only strikes you as A BIT suspicious? Documentation is useless because it can easily be steeped in propaganda either way, we can't go back in time and see for ourselves what happened, so the only thing that we have left that can answer questions through time without bias is pure, good old fashioned mathematics/empirical science.
That line of investigation is always the most damning of the holocaust story, the more you look at the numbers given, the more you'll see nothing adds up. You can do the calculations for the how much materials they would have needed to sustain a gas chamber type operation at the supposed rate in the allotted time, and you'll find that they would have needed about 2000kg of coke (a fire resistant substance used to line cremation ovens) PER OVEN DAILY.
What sort of fucked up logistical suicide is that? Just think of how much effort would have to go into acquiring, moving around and putting to use that much material through all of the supposed gas chamber camps. This all would have been while the soviets were advancing, Germany was pretty fucking desperate by the time the gas chamber operations were supposed to have taken place.
I just can't for a moment believe that a man who is intelligent and capable enough to turn a bankrupt shithole into a superpower in 6 years would waste so much fucking effort on starting a genocide operation of such a scale near the end of a fucking huge war they were beginning to lose pretty badly. We know the Germans were so desperate they were putting old men and children on the front lines around that time, why would they waste time trying to genocide the Jews when they would have clearly benefited from their forced labor instead?
Absolutely nothing makes sense about the gas chamber story. Fucking zilch.
>>70957730
STOP IMPLYING THAT GERMANS ARE EFFICIENT@!!@!@ THAT'S ANTISEMITIC!@
>>70957308
>official numbers state that during the Lebensraum campaing 2.5 mil jews were killed
Citation required, further -
Jews and russians weren´t even transported to the capms but outright killed. Makes sense if you think about it. What you gonna do? Round up some jews and then transport them to camps to kill them there instead of just murdering them?
Why have "death camps" at all if killing them outright is easier like you say?
Maybe it's because there were no death camps!
Is your school filled with SJW's? What state are you in?
>>70951606
How the fuck can you even dabate a historical fact? It happened, deal with it. The only thing you could dabate are the details.
>>70951606
Ask him if the Holocaust is real then why don't I care?
>>70957698
It wasn't yours it was of the first war for Jew banquers....artificial much like a Jewesses claimed intact hymen. The media scrapbook is a scream and shows the utter depravity of atrocity lies. Best 15K Euro I ever spent.
>>70957161
https://youtu.be/ruD4I4f5LkQ
>>70957939
"Deal with it" seems to be the new go to phrase for shills.
>>70957882
Fuck off NIZKOR kook.
>>70957802
22 June 1941 – 9 May 1945
(3 years, 10 months, 2 weeks and 3 days)
Eastern Campaign
>>70951606
Just say you're a Muslim and you will automatically win. Muslims are immune from criticism and get a free pass for denying the holocaust.
>>70957821
>Just think of how much effort would have to go into acquiring, moving around and putting to use that much material through all of the supposed gas chamber camps
>waste so much fucking effort on starting a genocide operation of such a scale
>why would they waste time trying to genocide the Jews
The camps were used as the labour fource, primarely, not as the tool of extermination. Only those unable to work were executed.
>>70957730
So its not nazist style to use "crude " stuff ?
>>70957821
I didn't do more math besides the jew numbers.
Yes, it doesn't really add up, adding the fact germany was in a horrible inflation and crisis before Hitler, and then were in a very good economical state.
>>70958069
What an eloquent addressing of my concerns, surely you've convinced all those watching of the correctness of your views!
https://youtu.be/bMyoEG2c7a0
These people were interviewed by Spielberg too
>>70957977
>It wasn't yours it was of the first war for Jew banquers
Kek, pic related
I can't respond to the rest of your gibberish because I simply don't understand it.
>>70957821
>(a fire resistant substance used to line cremation ovens)
My bad it's a fuel.
>>70957939
>How the fuck can you even dabate a historical fact?
Germany, 2016
>>70952072
The holocaust happened. Therefore the story is 100% true with 0 lies and there is no reason to look into the facts.
>>70957882
Hey there: Numbers are provided by Wolfgang Benz - German historian with specialization on antisemitism and holocaust.
The numbers are quoted on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#cite_note-FOOTNOTELaqueur2001145-338
Was a bit off tho: 2.1 mil
The actual source come from his book that he published about holocaust statistics
>>70958196
Haven't you heard of muh german efficiency?
>tfw no more cool Nazis in JoJo :(
>>70958180
>Only those unable to work were executed.
See I can believe that happened, I'm not saying brutal persecution of the Jews didn't happen, but it's plain as day to me that the story and numbers are grossly exaggerated for some fucking reason.
>>70957939
This. I take a lot of pride in my country but that thing is just a shame
>>70958431
Deaths on the eastern front does not extermination camps in Germany make.
>>70956989
I mean, where did the technology for incinerating millions of bodies in a short period of time go? It takes about 8 hours to cremate a body today. Where are the documents with the diagrams for that technology?
>>70953405
>Most of /pol/ falls for the holocaudt denial meme
Top pip
>>70958511
I know, you couldn't even finish it off.
>>70951606
>Debating a professor about the six hundred billion
This won't end well for you academically, whatever your involvement with this professor is. There's a time and a place for the truth, and it's not a college classroom. It's on /pol/
>>70958590
Witold's report mentions the bodies were dismembered before being burned.
It allowed to burn them faster.
>>70958589
...what? Sry, what are you trying to tell me?
>>70957939
The holocaust as it has been purported:
6 million exterminated jews in the evil gas chambers
Most definitely did not occur, if the reality is so far removed from the propaganda perhaps a new name should be chosen for the entirely different event?
>>70958706
This. You have literally nothing to gain from this.
Don't do it.
>>70958706
Yeah. I can't imagine a single university in the Western world this conversation would result in you not having a bad day.
>>70958788
I'm saying that the piles of dead jews in the east is even more proof that sending them back to Germany to be gassed is unadulterated bullshit.
>>70953687
>Eveyone on /pol/ doesn't agree with everything on /pol/. I hate this.
Kill yourself.
>>70958703
We love our efficiency and discipline but we lack endurance. That´s prob why we never had an empire
This retarded argument seems to be less of a "Did the holocaust actually happen?", and more of a "Did 6 million jews really die?"
It doesn't matter who was killed or how many of them were killed, it is a matter of fact that this event occurred.
>>70955641
Notice how that one sounds a lot more realistic for a sentence that starts "my anime board"?
>>70954193
>throw Jews down a slide into a room full of poison pellets like some kind of genocidal ball pit
this sounds fun
>>70958982
No, you´re on the wrong path.The camps were build in the east because the majority of jews lived in eastern countries (not just russia). Look up the numbers. In Poland there were 3mil jews. Largest chunk by far, kinda paid off to build some camps there.
>>70951606
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p21_thesis.html
>>70959138
Notice how this isn't actually an anime board
>>70958196
I'm saying it's not the Nazi's (or German's for that matter) style to specifically build something and then go "oops forgot the lock lmao here lets use this chain and padlock to seal this gas chamber full of panicking Jews Hans".
>>70959004
See, we depopulated 50% of Ireland and starved 10 million Indians to death for money and everyone loves us.
>>70952874
Added to this, it takes 24 hours for a room flooded with hydrogen cyanide gas to be able to be entered and the bodies handled with protective gear, and 8 hours to burn a corpse in a modern, high tech crematorium oven.
>>70959401
you think everyone loves you
>>70959262
The link is about the master thesis, that got the highest honors in a new Zealand universty but got taken down once Jews learned about it. It's 320 pages
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres8/hay.pdf
Here's a really short essay with basic info about why the Holohoax didn't happen
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndGraf.html
Made academically trough and trough
>>70958755
So that reduced it from 8 hours to 8 minutes?
>>70959401
Yeah because you didn´t lose.
...two times....
>>70959510
and? They didn't strictly use gas chambers and ovens you autistic shits. Ever heard of a firing squad, or at the very least a gun?
>>70959611
Also highly recomend this book
>>70958959
I pulled off a report on revisionism before and got an A, it merely presented several common arguments (such as the Auschwitz plaque number changing but 6,000,000 staying the same and unquestionable) and subtly redpilled the reader regarding some of the exaggerations. Personally I think it in fact happened but that's for another thread.
But regardless of what any would believe, to get in an actual debate saying it didn't happen with a professor on this would end poorly 100% of the time.
>>70959667
What happened with the the bodies of they didn't use ovens?
>>70959658
I don't think it's fair either, Germanon. I wish Germany had won the First World War.
> EU 50 years early, and Britain stays out
> No holocaust
> No Israel
That would've been so amazing.
>>70956989
>>70957821
>>70957939
>>70958621
>>70959001
Considering the fact that the Holocaust is such a well perpetuated and religiously taught idea there are still conflicts about current data that can be found. And the only data that can be had on the side that supports the idea that it happened as a mass and systematic slaughter of people are claims about it that are put forth. The issue is that WW2 was full of propaganda and it still reaches us through all this time. The numbers for the Nuremberg Trials we're all given by the Soviets, the "death" camps found in non Soviet territory at the end of WW2 are proven to not only be ill equipped for the extermination of as many is claimed but the disposal of the dead as well. We simply can't trust what the Soviets have put forth, which is what we have all been taught in history classes growing up, because of the prevalence of their lies and use of propaganda at the time.
The whole thing is just fraudulent. The measurements, statistics, and documents that we have do not match up to the story put forth when looked at all together. People were lied to because half of Germany was behind the iron curtain. I don't care whether anyone in this thread believes in the Holocaust or not. All I care is that you've come to your own conclusion based on the best available data, which is the only unbiased thing left at this point, and not what has been told to you by teachers.
I want to know why the "gas chamber"/air raid building in Auschwitz has no traces of Hydrogen Cyanide while the delousing building has build up of it that is off the charts.
>>70958706
Listen to this guy. Don't bring it up. You won't win. Talk to your friends if you really want to but you have to understand that most people have done no research of their own into this topic and you will be accused of antisemitism if you do so. If you want to talk to anyone in real life about this shit then tread lightly.
>>70959801
Must I search up photos of the skeletal men that were seen piled up across Germany? How the fuck am I to know how they disposed of the bodies?
>>70959694
For anyone who doesn't really need academic works for serious discussion just watch these. It's like a short examination of the camps and claims being made . Very easy to research yourself and verify afterwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uJEE3thwmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R6mTTrOlzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs
>>70952874
Another thing to consider here is the sheer tonnage of ash they would have to dispose of.
Pic related is where they apparently dumped ashes from the crematorium at Auschwitz.
>>70960014
You seem to know how they did everything else desu
>>70951606
dude holo happening was real. just beg for forgivness and cry a little bit that should help you not getting kicked out of you whatever
>>70960050
And this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruD4I4f5LkQ
>>70959808
It doesn´t even need to be a victory but the blame they put on us plus the reparations drove many germans crazy. For my family it wasn´t so much the economical crisis in 1923 but things like not beeing invited to the Olypmics TWO TIMES in a row because you lost the war. Literally because we lost. And the die hard prussian tradionalists my family was and is it did hurt their pride.
>>70960085
Yep. Doesn't really add up.
welp
>>70952874
FUCKING DELETE THIS MODS
>>70960126
It's common knowledge available to anyone with a brain that gas chambers and ovens were an inefficient way to kill people. I'm simply saying that they didn't use these as their main mode of genocide. Saying that "It's impossible for them to have killed 6 million because of the time it takes to kill someone in an oven or gas chamber would take too long." is not a valid argument as they didn't strictly use these methods.
>>70956446
>>70956989
https://youtu.be/2j1V878kWPg
English:
https://youtu.be/b5SsNCvlZoM
>>70960472
But why? everyone can type that simple comment
>>70960445
I'm planning to move to Germany because the UK is economically fucked. So you might have the last laugh after all.
>>70960014
There were nowhere near enough. You are talking literal mountains of bodies stretching miles and miles. Ever seen a million people in person?
>>70960050
Haven't seen the first video. Thanks for the post.
>>70960500
>Jews COULD have been killed other ways, so they definitely were killed guys. Especially in a way that would allow 6 million to be an accurate estimate.
>Also oy vey
>>70953072
>yfw if people found that you type things like this on the internet
probably going to be executed with guillotine in germoney
>>70960014
There were several thousands at most of those.
And all autopsies made showed they died of Typhus, not deliberate starvation or execution program.
Those images we all have in our schoolbooks have nothing to do with the claimed holocaust, but they were typhus victims at the end of the war as result of overcrowded prisons and lack of supplies.
First one was caused because the eastern camps all shut down because of the soviets, so tons of prisoners were moved to the western camps and there wasn't enough room.
lack of supplies was caused because Germany was falling appart and losing the war
>>70960664
Can you see someone's body if they are buried under you, out of a coffin?
>>70955813
Ew, Dawkins.
>>70960570
depends where you going. I don´t enjoy living in Lübeck for example. Alot of muslims and turkish nationalists that piss you off. Where you going? What kind of job you ging to do?
>>70960987
Also Gerhard Schroeder had already discovered the organophosphates such as Sarin and Tabun and presented them to the war ministry by 1937. The whole Zyclon Ben usage is clearly bullshit.
>>70959892
Were these atrocities committed by Germans also a "propaganda"?
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_AB-Aktion_in_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmiry_massacre
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_Krakau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_in_Pia%C5%9Bnica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Lviv_professors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Warsaw_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_destruction_of_Warsaw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawiak
Just get over the fact that Germans were in fact committing the genocide, and it wasn't only a Holocaust. Yes, the numbers MIGHT have been exaggerated - but it doesn't change the fact.
>>70960843
I'm not arguing that 6 million is an accurate estimate, I'm arguing that saying 6 million isn't an accurate estimate is not reason to therefore say, 'the holocaust is a myth' like so many people choose to.
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