http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/13/the-beast-of-hit-abrams-tank-plays-role-iraqi-fight-against-isis.html
>A U.S.-trained Iraqi crew working with a U.S.-supplied M1A1 Abrams tank now known as the "Beast" played a major role in taking and clearing the town of Hit in western Anbar province of ISIS fighters, a U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday
>"The tank has been so successful, this one tank crew, that American advisers have given it the 'Hero of the Day' award for several days," said Warren, a spokesman for Combined Joint Task Force-Operation Inherent Resolve in Baghdad
>>70874944
They've tasted the blood man. Once they pick themselves back up they may actually be just like us.
>>70874944
what the fuck is hero of the day
>>70874944
Sunni terrorists have always been terrible at direct ground battles, they're only proficient at insurgencies
>>70874944
The Abram is breddy gud when used correctly
Take notes Saudis
>>70875213
You mean killing unarmed people
Made me remember this http://youtu.be/zjYSERaXEGI
1:51
>>70875183
It's like Employee of the Month but with killing shitskins and it happens everyday
>>70874944
>M1A1
That means the ISIS troops didn't have decent AT or didn't expect an MBT on the field so didn't deploy Kornets or TOWs.
A single tank can wipe out a batallion of riflemen if they dont have any sort of AT.
>>70874944
/k/ has always said that any Abrams not operated by the US is a monkey model though.
>>70875486
Explain
>>70875443
Why didn't they just deploy their IEDs that they shit out in every city they can't defend worth a damn in
>>70874944
Yeah, tanks are great at shredding light infantry. There's basically nothing they can do against them.
>>70874944
I don't think that tank will be around for a while once Islamic State hears this.
>>70875486
true really
>>70874944
so american pigs retreeat from our lands and now using their puppets? don't worry son of bitches. we will raise our flag on white house.
>>70875584
Monkey models are gimped versions of planes/tanks/what ever that are sold to foreign countries.
The Soviets did it a lot.
>>70876058
you'll raise dick
>>70876058
Where have you been? You already have your home boy Hussein Obongoid as president.
>>70875486
>>70875584
I don't think the US sells the depleted uranium armor model to other nations. Plus the A2 has more technological upgrades
>>70876058
man i wouldnt wish that on nobody.
you fuckers really are out of your goddamn minds to think that shit could EVER happen
im sorry my crazy government keeps using the US military to rekt your entire country over and over but get a grip.
you should not say things like that because you know they are going to come back and freedom the shit out of you a third time.
>>70875486
M1A1 doesn't have the higher tech armor at the A2 model does, and the A1 armor can be defeated by more modern AT weapons. Remember at the tank was designed in 70s, maybe the in 80s. The A2 model has more "high tech" armor including DU layers, and special mesh/ceramic layers not found in the A1 models.
>>70875486
>m1a1
It's just about as bad as a monkey model, probably worse. either the crew was completely competent (1/1,000,000,000 chance), insurgents had no AT on them, or a little of both.
>>70875895
>ISIS execution video of a tank
>>70876058
7/10 bait.
>>70876058
you want some more freedom fucker?
>>70874944
>courtesy of the red white and blue
>>70875595
IED's are deployed on convoy roads. Tanks can go offroad.
>>70876732
BBBBRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTT
>>70875895
They don't have the weapons to deal with them, though.
>>70876518
>they tie a giant bandanna around the turret before attempting to execute it by firing squad, several ISIS members injured by ricochets
>try drowning it in a pool, takes a crane to get it out
>finally decide to burn it but forget to remove ammo which cooks off and kills them all
>>70876805
sex on two wings
>>70876058
The most fun thing about this post is that we're building up to free the shit out of you again.
And I'm going to laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
They have a state of the art US battle tank. ISIS has aks and knives
If career politicians would back off and let the US military do what it does best.
Take the leash off for a couple years.
This shit would all be over.
But they want this shit to go on forever and ever.
They day that death machine is ever set loose upon anything without political bullshit getting in the way telling the military how it should fight what the ROE is and shit, woe to those poor bastards.
>>70874944
>"a U.S. military spokesman said" is usually followed by a lie or before a lie
>>70877085
Its not state of the art. Its gen 1.
>>70876058
How cool was it hearing all those explosions during operation: shock and awe?
Would you do it again?
>>70876942
IEDs won't take it out?
No banana in the tailpipe?
>>70877085
>state of the art
Yeah, if the current year was 1980
Insurgents lack AT and ieds aren't really "on the fly" sort of wepons.
Incinerating their cash, in-fighting and generally speaking fucking them up has likely put a real dent in their ability to procure arms.
>>70877362
No, they're resilient to IEDs.
>>70876135
Thanks. Didn't know that term.
>>70874944
Immediately reminded me of this for some reason (pic related)
>>70877972
good movie
>>70876424
Wrong the Saudi tanks in the Yemen are the M1A2S with DU armour the Saudis are just just incompetent at war. Period.
>>70875443
The Abrams in particular is notable for its durability; few have ever been totaled in the tank's entire history. In most cases the crew die before the tank does.
>>70878422
>In most cases the crew die before the tank does.
What good does that do, that just means shitty crew protection. I'd rather have the crew survive, especially if it's an experienced crew than the tank survive to be handed over to novice crews.
ISIS must not have any anti armor weapons or that must be a really good tank crew considering it's only an M1A1.
Frankly I'm mot a fan of those rolling metal coffins(tank's), even the heaviest and most advanced armor systems can be defeated by modern anti tank weapons that can be hiding almost anywhere. For instance the RPG-29 has defeated the armor of a Challenger 2, wounding the crew and has destroyed two M1 Abrams killing and wounding several crew members. If I remember correctly the RPG-29 is such a serious threat to armor that the US military forbade the new Iraq government from purchasing them. To think there are much more advanced anti armor systems then the RPG-29 that haven't been employed on a wide scale.
Waiting for Fury: Iraq sequel.
>>70875443
This
It only takes one person armed with anti-armor weaponry that knows how to point it in the right direction to take out a tank.
Otherwise the tank is just there for live target practice.
>>70875443
>ISIS troops didn't have decent AT
Aren't the muricunts supplying these sub-human freedom fighters with enough ATGM to fight Assad ?
Can you fucking imagine how terrifying a whole line of those tanks would have been in the Iraq war?
It's a literal column of unstoppable death. If they waged a war in the modern day, it'd be genocide.
>>70879092
I guess the CIA is backing off it's support. They must know that a Russia-America bro team up is in the works
>>70878751
Pretty sure only the driver had his foot blown off because a lucky hit managed to get the only unarmoured part of the tank at the time.
>>70875183
When ya done purge good.
>>70875341
>>70879323
>Iraq war?
which one.
>>70878751
I think there's only ever been one recorded destruction of a Challenger 2, and that was by another Challenger 2 in a friendly fire incident.
>>70878751
For an RPG or light AT weapon, you're going to need a very good shot to penetrate newer MBTs like Leo2, Abrams, T-90 and Chally2s. From what I read about the Chally2, it was a lucky hit that took his foot off.
These days, there are tons of upgrade packages for tanks, most being spaced amour to defeat HEAT warheads (ones that most if not all light AT weapons use) and armour plates for IED protection. Ontop of all that, there's always the several metric tons of shit and equipment for the crew that hangs off the top and side of tanks, which actually do more protection then you'd think it would.
Besides the armour aspect of the tank, there's the offensive capabilites. A tank can sit in a field far from the useful range of an RPG and cause destruction. Thermals are pretty scary when you think about the poor dickhead who's on the wrong side of the cannon/coax.
>>70879402
Yes one of the crew members of the Challenger 2 lost his foot, but several others were wounded as well. The nature of the injuries of the other crew members were not disclosed to my knowledge.
In the cases involving the Abrams, less armored then the Challenger 2; Penetrations by the RPG-29 proved to be much more effective, causing major damage and killing several crew members.
>>70874944
>the beast
>bulldozer of fallujah
we seriously need a syria conflict war game with these named character in it.
>>70879348
Bullshit, dude. The CIA has been supplying weapons to the "moderate" FSA just like it did to the mujaheddin. The sad part being that it appears they haven't learned fuck all from 9/11 and the FSA in another form is going to stab you fuckers in the back and innocent americans will pay the price for it.
inb4 it's blown up with a $200 anti-tank missle
>>70880270
>$200
>inb4 you expose your inner retardeness
Too late, you nigger.
>>70878581
not really accurate information
usually worst thing can happen in a tank is the ammo explodes. with the abrams the blast doors blow off the back of the tank and all the over pressure just goes out and up and the crew lives.
its a good tank with the exception of fuel consumption. takes about 10 gallons of jet fuel to start one.
>>70875183
It means they dun gud.
>>70878952
Most man-portable AV weapons will only mobility kill a modern MBT.
>>70875341
More like ambush guerillas who hide in cities. The middle east has always been this. Assassins rule the countries.
>>70880346
It's an obvious exaggeration to make a joke you autist.
>>70874944
Thats what happens when you don't instantly jump out of the tank and run at the first hint that enemy are within 30km
>>70878581
no shit anon its a tank
its very hard to manage to destroy the tank but not kill the crew
>>70875183
It's a MetallicA song dummy
>>70875341
>>70880270
>$200 anti-tank missle
>being this dumb
>>70877821
It could take the tracks off, but with HME pretty impossible to do anything more
>>70880427
Than you Anon, for clearing it up the anon I was replying to didn't reply back. DESU, that seemed like a fairly illogical feature to have in tank, where the tank survives and the crew dies.
I'm biased towards the our maple syrup Leopards, after 5 tours in the stan as infantry I was glad to have them around on those rare occasions.
>>70880427
The Abram's gas turbine engines can use a variety of fuels. Kerosene (jet fuel) is best, but you could run it other local fuels like benzene and slightly treated crude.
As much as i hate Americans they do make really impressive tanks just look at desert storm they ass fucked the whole iraqie force without losing a single tank to their shitbox soviet toasters with tracks.
>>70880427
Sorry: but to add to it the Abrams are turbine powered, so they're thirsty as fuck unlike diesel tanks.
>>70879909
Why don't Americans use bar armour? It's so effective against RPGs
>>70880676
ofcourse it is you nigger.
>>70879972
A buddy of mine was an M2 gunner in Fallujah.
He's going to laugh his balls off when he see this.
>>70879323
During the first main assults of desert storm, some Abrahams had dozers attached to the front.
In the pitch black of night, the tank coloum would advance on Iraqi infantry trenches (52's & 72's has been fortified along the tranches, but we're btfo by air and long range Abrams fire). The dozer tanks would flank the trenches and literally bury alive all the Iraqi infantry unlucky enough to be stuck in the trench. Literally thousands perished like this, and any who tried to escape the trench were gunned down by machine gun fire.
At sunrise, limbs of defeated Iraqi soldiers coulb be seen sticking out of the freshly toiled earth.
>>70880867
Their defense budget shitted out military wonders day and night before they fucked up in the f-35 project. trillions of dollars on a plane that has already been proved not so good.
>>70879866
>Besides the armour aspect of the tank, there's the offensive capabilites. A tank can sit in a field far from the useful range of an RPG and cause destruction. Thermals are pretty scary when you think about the poor dickhead who's on the wrong side of the cannon/coax.
Definitely, a main battle tank is a force to be reckoned with if used properly at range in conjunction with its mobility. It's when you get into urban setting or dense forest and rough terrain that they start to become a liability. A mistake a lot of poorly trained militaries make.
Still would be uncomfortable getting in one those things though, claustrophobia, plus having enough years of experience operating heavy tracked vehicles to understand there limitations and vulnerabilities. It's the thought of getting high centered, stuck in mud or having mechanical failure in a combat situation that doesn't sit well with me; with any heavy tracked vehicle it's bound to happen sooner or later given enough miles.
Still I would be tempted if a recruiter outright offered me a spot on an M1 crew, that megalomaniacal part of my brain says YES!
>>70881495
Is that the one that can take off from the dicky little ramp at fuck all speeds?
>>70881430
Efficient kebab removal
A tank is only as good as the crew that's controlling it.
>>70881600
Yeah the same one that isnt allowed to go near the ruskies because they start scanning the plane , so much for stealth
>>70881495
the one smart thing they are doing with the 35 program is pushing it on the rest of the world.
basically once its all said and done, we will break even and the allies will have paid for it.
not really a fan of the program myself. but i see what they are going after
really war fighting technology is about our only export these days. that and food.
>>70881430
Thanks, that made my day.
>>70881430
It's true.
>The Mother of All News Conferences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKi3NwLFkX4
>>70881430
God bless America!
Crusaders would be proud.
>>70874944
The Beast....
>>70878396
>Wrong the Saudi tanks in the Yemen are the M1A2S with DU armour
No.
>>70881815
Lmao yeah that thing is a joke from what ive been told about it couldn't remember the name of it.
>>70880063
And then we free the shit out of them. Those are the sacrifices Americans are willing to make for freedom.
>>70882463
So why do you completly ignore the erradication of freedom domesticly?
>>70879866
out in the open you cant get near one. in the urban setting you should have infantry support with you. it does not always work out that way but that is the idea.
if you pop up and fire something around an M1A2 sep or sep v2 the crew instantly know where the shot came from due to a clever little gadget thought up by darpa mounted right on the turrent.
the combatant would be lucky to get off a second shot before the building hes standing in starts falling down around him.
the top of tanks are the weak spot so maybe he would get lucky on that first shot and breach it. but now he has to deal with the infantry squads hunting his ass down, or the second tank that could open up on the building hes hiding in.
you would almost have to believe virgins were in your future to do something that insane in the first place.
>>70876490
>M1A1 doesn't have the higher tech armor at the A2 model does
To be accurate, the M1A1M that Iraq operates does not have 'higher tech' armor that is used by the US military.
The Abrams in active use by the US Army (M1A2 SEPv2 and M1A1 SA) and USMC (M1A1 FEP) have all been upgraded to the current '3rd gen' DU armor.
>>70876058
Holy shit when did you guys get dial up internet?
>>70881956
The Gulf war in how efficiently it was waged had the Russians shit basically rewrite all their doctrines.
>>70879972
That's a dushka, not an M2.
>>70882463
Free?
You have been murdering rising nations like iraq,lybia,Afhg, and now Syria over petty and invented charges.
>MUH GAS SARIN ATTACKS
When you faggots along with MI6 and the roaches supplied the gas to the rebels and the faggots blow themselves up , then you just blame assad.
>MUH 911
Holy fuck
>MUH WMD
Baseless claims
>MUH TYRANNY
Gadaffi did nothing wrong, he just defied the Jew and lost.
I fear that someday you will invent some bullshit on us and destroy all our cities and industries elaving behind a bunch of muslim extremists to rule over us with USA-MADE weaponry.
Bunch of fucking jew dogs.
>>70882832
Are there people that actualy still belive unironicaly that the iraqi army dureing the first golf war used soviet doctrine?
>>70875183
You know when you're playing call of duty and you do good and a little ribbon or medal or other award pops up on your screen?
It's like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9B0J6bAhjI
00:00-00:47 Iraqi Special and Popular Mobilization Forces advance into ISIS held area while covering civilians leaving the combat zone.
00:47-02:51 Iraqi forces move further into ISIS held area while engaging ISIS elements with M1A1 machine gun and canon fire.
02:52-04:22 Different angle shows several POV GoPro gun and helmet cam perspectives of Iraqi Special Forces engaging hiding ISIS elements.
04:23-05:50 Iraqi vehicle column continues to push forward while attacking ISIS fighters.
05:51-06:15 Iraqi troops destroy ISIS VBIED that got left behind.
06:16-9:45 Iraqi M1A1 continues engagement.
9:46-10:28 IR scene filmed from inside the Iraqi M1A1 tank shows a group of visible ISIS fighters getting taken out by a tank shell.
10:29-11:15 Iraqi troops destroy captured ISIS weapons.
11:16-11:48 Iraqi M1A1 moves further into Anbar.
>>70874944
>http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/13/the-beast-of-hit-abrams-tank-plays-role-iraqi-fight-against-isis.html
With notoriety comes danger. ISIS is now likely to target them heavily.
>>70883046
You should read what Soviet generals were saying during the lead up to Desert Storm, it makes an interesting comparison to how it played out.
>>70883353
Sounds interesting, do tell.
>>70882987
Yeah, we wouldn't wanna destroy the paradise that is Mexico. That would be a real tragedy.
>>70881581
>Claustrophobia
Depends what crewman you are. Loader has fucking tons of space, for obvious reasons. The Driver has a decently sized hole. The worst is probably the gunner. You're stuffed into the right corner of the turret basket. You better not have long legs, because they'll be bent at a 90degree angle at the knee. Legs get very sore, quickly because there's no room to stretch. The gnr also sits essentially right in the cmdr's lap. For the most part, the commander is unbuttoned and standing so it's not always so bad until he kicks you in the back when you hit a bump.
>>70882688
>out in the open
You'd have to a master of stealth to get past (usually) 4 vehicles. You've got 4 gnrs with thermals. All 4 commanders have thermals. The driver might even have thermal cameras too. That's at least 8 people looking. Besides all that, tanks rarely stay in one spot. Mobility is one aspect of armour.
>>70882983
Not a DShK its a fucking NSV. The NSV weighs about 20 pounds less than a DShK.
>>70883648
It is still the only thing we have and having it replaced by a bunch of extremist muslims armed by the USA would be pretty fucking bad.
And your beaches have jackshit on ours fucboi.
>>70882096
Obscure reference brah
>>70883816
Weak bait, Bean Nigger.
>>70883159
fuck thats intense thanks for posting that
>>70883568
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rs-storm.htm
>>70883816
>muh beechez
Yeah you definitely wouldn't want a group of people in your country that brutally murders and beheads people for virtually no reason.
Oh wait...
>>70882626
>why are you ignoring the eradication of freedom domestically
We're working on that.
>>70884133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiB4nAohmR4
>>70883653
I mean out in the open, you are never getting close to one.
Was never deployed to a combat zone as a 19kilo but I know how deadly they are.
>>70883816
Have a look at the union for the Mediterranean
All the countries being fucked or regime changed or arab springed are supposed to be in a club promoting stability and prosperity
After years of European and American freedom they'll be begging for closer union for the stability and gibs
But not before their entire population moves to europe first
Job done for the jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_the_Mediterranean
http://ufmsecretariat.org/ufm-countries/
All the us egging on of the cartels and giving them guns might give the perfect excuse for some us 'help'.
What you fear doesn't seem outlandish
>>70884845
Thread usually archives after I post this.
>Warren also said that U.S.-backed militias in Syria were still occasionally battling each other rather than joining to fight ISIS. "There's been some friction on the battlefield," which Warren attributed to "ancient animosities. So we do see some of this but we don't see this as a problem."
Haha great job America you're just creating more ISISes
>>70884845
Why is Sweden in a Mediterranean Union?
>>70877195
This story days it all. ONE Abrams is winning the Iraqis battles. We have how many?
>>70884555
What i dont want is a government based on shariah law, Yeah we have cartels beheading people and shit.
b-but you faggots have niggers who are protected by the law, h-here cartel fags are capped in the spot and no one cries for them.
>>70884845
ty ahmed
Nice info
>>70882804
kek
>>70885138
What is sweden population being replaced with
What's their new second language?
>>70882463
Bullshit ! Just ask the victims of 9/11 and those that >>70882463
have lost family members i.e through the armed forces with the involvement in Iraq and Astan and ask those service member families if FREEDUM was worth it. Since 4chin has no emoticons I honestly can't tell if you're being ironic
>>70875183
Sounds like the fag-iest kindergarten army award
>>70885131
we have to craft a new force to fight for the next 15 years of war against terror.
the war without end
that is the whole idea. a war that never ends. a cause to the public to accept less and less constitutional freedoms at home and in so many other countries that follow our model.
so when shit starts to die down we use the cia to rekendle it and help it fester once more into an excuse to again act.
this shit dont end until the money runs out which it wont or the goal of world bankers is accomplished with a new one world system of rule following the planned collapse of America.
Russia and China will have to get on board. Any country that does not get with the program must also go. And they are going one by one. Really only 4 are left. Russia, China, Iran, and NKorea.
The US military is just the instrument being used to influence those pesky holdouts to get with the program.
911 set all of this into motion.
So far as ISIS goes, yea our clandestine services made them, trained, funded, armed them. They are just a tool to keep the money and fear flowing.
Just another brick in the wall.
>>70886055
And what the fuck will happen once there are no more wars to fight?
>White male goes extinct
>Mudslimes and niggers cant into organized warfare for shit
>Unless the jews step down and whip the niggers into working they well end up starving if the whites didnt progress enough into robotics
>>70875216
This, it's not as good as the Challenger II but the Abrams is a force to be reckoned with.
>>70875096
Arabs will never be good at fighting because they lack leadership, organization and technology. This isn't the 1400s. They are a garbage people and should honestly be exterminated or quarantined
>>70883653
Are you a fellow buddy ? PPCLI reporting here.
>>70886315
If it was 1998-99 you might be correct, but the Challenger 2 has fallen behind due to British budget cuts.
>>70874944
Always rush B
>>70878396
>HAHA DUDE LETS HAVE OUR TANKS BE OUT IN THE OPEN AND BELOW HILLS WITH THEIR SIDES EXPOSED
>WTF HOW DID THEY BLOW UP OUR TANKS
>WTFFFFFF ALLAH WTFFF
Saudi "warfare"
>>70874944
but ISIS has the full support of the German military
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/13/german-army-ids-22-soldiers-fighting-with-isis-in-syria-iraq.html?ICID
DEUTSCHLAND, JA!
>>70886303
I dont think that will ever be a problem.
The American people sure cant do shit about it. We have not even woken up to the fact we lost all say in the direction of our country and we are not going to be given it back.
Far as war goes, preparation is 90 percent of it so as long as the people believe a threat looms in the distance, they will keep the machine running.
>>70882200
>I got's a military meme
>Therefore I'm right
Fuck off nigger
>>70887035
I agree with you, the Saudis are morons at war.
>>70887404
>the manufacturer is wrong because it destroys my worldview
You probably voted for dudeweed.
>>70882200
Says 2006 but we were testing the sep in 2002 up at Aberdeen. You get a neat brass participation coin from general dynamics for going.
>>70887578
I stand corrected. Doesn't change the fact that your fucking "allies" are incompetent at warfare.
>>70887644
M1A2S =/= M1A2 SEP
>>70874944
>Plot twist
Tank crew got temporary Iraqi citizenship. But they're blackwater.
>>70877324
who, i wonder, could be behind this drone
>>70881909
People forget the US military is like the Microsoft of military tech. Practically every country in the world either uses our military tech or wants to because we make the best in a lot of different areas. Our military equipment makes us a fair amount of being being sold to allies.
>>70887762
Saud does blow
They never have to fight anything more than their own population because we dont want nothing fucking with our oil prices/petrodollar.
they never have to worry about it. they just hope to keep a force large enough to hold out long enough for the US to get in position and fight for them.
>>70887264
What movie?
>>70886476
>never good at fighting
lol nigger, they invented asymmetric warfare.
>>70887899
What does this have to do with anything I said?
it really is a thing of beauty
>>70881765
That's the point of this article. It seems Iraq has managed to shit out one competent 4 man crew for its dozens of M1A1M's we gave them.
>>70888337
>asymmetric warfare.
Because all they can do is target civilians. Saudis are getting BTFO in yemen, they can't wipe their ass without murican assistance.
>>70888888
checked
>>70888888
You stole my Trump get.
Rot in hell cunt.
>>70888888
>888888
so much repeat
>>70888888
Mediocre!
I mean WITNESSED!!
>>70888888
what a waste of a get
>>70888888
>Been on 4chan since 2007
>First ever get
praise kek
>>70889012
>>70889013
>>70889024
>>70889093
>>70889094
GET A LOAD OF THIS
MY TRUMP GET WAS A SECOND OFF AND THIS KEK HAD TO STEAL IT AND WASTE IT
>>70889157
Well fuck you, that was meant to go to Trump.
>>70889194
Trump has fallen out of favor with the chan gods.
>>70883046
Except they did.
>>70889372
Blasphemer
>>70874944
>Giving Abrams tank to Iraqis
You fucked up
>>70889739
They're Abrams with rolled homogeneous steel and and shit optics. Monkey models.
>>70882096
Kekd fkn hard m8
>>70889725
Less MBs, more fluid
Trump/10
>>70883353
>>70889616
With regard to Iraqi forces, other themes emerge: the underestimation of Western resolve and capabilities; the failure to launch a preemptive strike against the allied coalition when the opportunity was available; the failure to properly integrate and network air-defense systems; the integration of air-defense missile and artillery systems; the need for truly professional (versus political) air and air defense forces; the importance of redundant command and control systems and facilities; the importance of survivable underground complexes; the importance of survivable mobile missile launchers; the vulnerability of nuclear, biological and chemical production and storage facilities to air strikes. you might wana have a look at it yourself
>>70875183
its like employer of the mouth for soldiers
>>70882096
I got that!
>>70889739
We kinda had too. I mean, we blew up all the tanks they previously had.
>>70890921
>We had to give Iraq tanks because we destroyed the tanks the used on us before.
>>70890148
>he debate over the performance of Soviet weaponry in the Gulf War has been intense and has already resulted in a sweeping review of the Soviet air defense system in the wake of the Iraqi defeat. The Soviet Minister of Defense is reported to have admitted that Soviet air defenses have "weak spots" and that the MoD is "analyzing the use of the armed forces of the United States and other countries during the war."
>Izvestiya commentator V. Litovkin, pointed out that the bulk of Iraqi military equipment was Soviet-produced, and that Iraqi Army officers had been trained in Soviet military academies. Thus, for many people the war in the Persian Gulf represented a clash between "U.S. and Soviet military science, between their weapons and ours.... It is obvious," he concluded, "which side has the advantage..."
>Colonel Aleksandr Tsalko, who headed a Soviet Air Force Training Center prior to assuming his duties as a Soviet People's Deputy, observed that the crushing defeat of the Iraqi Army made it clear the Soviet military doctrine and the entire model of military development were obsolete. On a 1 March Moscow Radio broadcast he stated:
>Some military authorities in this country continue to believe that the outcome of a war is determined by a clash of huge masses of ground troops. It is sheer madness. The war in the Gulf clearly showed that the Iraqi Army was simply overwhelmed by air strikes and the troops had to keep their noses buried in the sand.
>Tsalko disagreed with those who claimed that the war demonstrated the inferiority of Soviet military equipment. "On many counts we are not so much behind." He stressed, however, that the main lesson of the war was that huge amounts of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces were "absolutely useless."
>He stressed, however, that the main lesson of the war was that huge amounts of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces were "absolutely useless."
>>70886602
It's got a better gun and armor (when facing shaped charges when facing sabot rounds the Abrams beats it out)
>>70890921
I fucking love American foreign policy.
>curb stomp and entire country into dust
>pull out without a plan because "lol fuck it"
>leave a power vacuum
>power vacuum is filled by the same radical extremists you tried to crush, except now they're even more radicalized
>"lol fuck, give em some tanks"
>get angry with the country and call them pussies for not dealing with the problem you created
>>70891332
>>70890148
>He stressed, however, that the main lesson of the war was that huge amounts of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces were "absolutely useless."
>He stressed, however, that the main lesson of the war was that huge amounts of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces were "absolutely useless."
>He stressed, however, that the main lesson of the war was that huge amounts of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces were "absolutely useless."
> huge amounts of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces were "absolutely useless."
> huge amounts
>tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery pieces
>"absolutely useless."
>absolutely
>useless
Soviet doctrine of the time and indeed to a lesser extent the Modern Russian doctrine still rely s on their Huge numbers.
In fact the Large amount of Russian development in SAM and other AA tech is in large part do to how badly the US Smashed Iraq.
>>70890921
lol'd
oh god america, what are you doing..
>>70874944
can we ship this team a gopro i wana watch
>>70888888
Czeched
>>70874944
I just don't get why we don't use zerg rush tactics.
get like 10 to 20 of these 60 ton tanks going at 60 MPH and loaded with beehive ammunition would be epic.
>>70878396
I dunno - their airstrikes are pretty spot on...
>>70883159
ya done good iraqis,
we don't need another case of a religion dragging a whole region into a dark age, the west already has experience with that shit
>>70891624
I was only 13 when we invaded Iraq, but it changed my perspective on war. We had taken over the country in about a week.
Iraq isn't and wasn't some 2 bit country. It was basically russia without nukes.
Our air superiority is so fucking ridiculous.
>>70889157
>2007
well, at least you can appreciate it AND it didn't go to a newfag
>>70893104
You're thinking Afghanistan. The graveyard of empires.
Are ISIS the most embarassing """""military""""" force in history?
>Go to the desert to roleplay as a Mujahideen from the 7th century like some LARPer autist.
>Make the most aspergers ridden execution videos in all of history making them look like an MTV reality series.
>Say you will conquer Rome, Europe, Israel and the world.
>In reality can't even conquer Iraq.
>Allegedly have sex with one another to relieve sexual frustration due to lack of women.
>Too shit at fighting to take on any real armies, resort to attacking people who are unarmed.
>Rely entirely upon the kindness and naivety of Europe to ensure you aren't glassed into oblivion within a week
>Get btfo by one Tank
>Get btfo by SAS when they're riding a quadbike just having a fucking laugh and not even being serious.
Literally the worst opponents I think any western nation has ever faced and most of us have fought the Turks.
>>70875183
Lets you call in an airstrike as a reward
>>70893718
They were pretty terrifying early when they made coordinated night raids and killed entire outposts of soldiers while they were sleeping, then left as fast as they appeared to go to the next outpost. I guess all the competent ones are dead or living as rapefugees in Germany now.
>>70874944
proof that an experienced crew makes all the difference
>>70875486
which is partially true, because only the US maintains them correctly and has actual combat trained crews that don't hop out when someone throws a rock at you
>>70874944
Just proof that Obama could stop ISIS easily if he had the will.
>>70891281
>>70890921
>>70889739
By giving you mean selling.
>>70894128
I'm not sure Iraq in its current state would be able to afford Abrams, even older models.
>>70879766
Well the Muslims might not be able to destroy a British tank, but they sure have destroyed Britain.
>>70894088
ISIS could have been easily defeated sooner just by working with the Syrian Army. I mean, they've made so much progress in retaking the country just because of fairly modest Russian support. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>muh moderate rebels
>>70894240
>Australia
>China
>lol
>>70876058
Ya need another dose of America Brand freedom Ali?
>>70875443
97% of their squad AT weapons pose absolutely no threat to a M1A1, and anti tank missile launchers are not squad component weapons.
TLDR: shut the fuck up civilian
>>70894029
Just a sophisticated militia masquerading as a nation.
They are like a shit durka durka version of Outer Heaven.
>>70876518
>They try beheading it by removing the turret
>Knife breaks
>>70888888
Witnessed
>>70876058
>Iraqi has the gall to talk about retreating
>>70875486
yea no good armor and none of our electronics
>>70879972
Screw that, there could be a full-on anime adaptation.
>>70876986
>>70882987
>I fear that someday you will invent some bullshit on us and destroy all our cities and industries
If only.
>>70875486
If it's not operated by the us it's operated by monkeys.
>>70888277
Kingdom of Heaven, it actually pretty fucking good, rottentomatoes doesn't know shit
>>70874944
>ISIS gets BTFO by ONE tank
I mean, that's kind of how it works. It's a fucking Abrams tank after all.
>>70881430
USA USA USA USA USA USA
>>70876058
Are you going to use Russian tanks and French gunships again or did you upgrade to Iran's stealth airboat yet?
>>70891426
False both use the same gun and they both have reactive armor
>>70876518
>>70876986
>>70894895
Yeah, they capture the tank and blow it up with c4 resulting in a catastrophic kill.
It's what they did with Saudi's tanks we gave them.
>>70878751
The RPG29 hit the lower glacis plate of the Challenger where there is no Chobham armor. That's why they put ERA on that plate but I'm guessing the tandem warhead neutralized it.
The RPG29 can pen the side of an Abrams, heck a newer RPG-7 probably can as well. Luckily there are spall liners and a lot of space armor. There ammo and fuel is also kept separate. If you are not directly killed by the HEAT jet and/or over pressure you have a decent chance of living.
It was a big threat because it could knock out a tank and possibly kill crew but it wasn't going to change the tide of the war.
>>70896089
Why is the webm of some terrible boxy copy?
>>70896167
/pol/ fears this picture
>>70886315
Challenger II is a piece of shit
>>70893807
kek
>>70896089
not a single bit historically accurate and the plots shit
>>70887035
>>70887519
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
>>70895550
ISIS doesn't like anime.
>>70897155
>ISIS
>the scourge of the levant
>the genociders of the sand
>"You are stupid"
>>70897425
It always cracks me up imagining some jihadi in the desert getting butthurt at Japanese shitposters on Twitter.
Is this it?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8cc_1460317872
>>70875096
Arabs are culturally bad soldiers though.
Basically they can't handle situations that don't go according to plan and will pass the buck up the chain of command to fault.
Heres an example of what i'm talking about. An Iraqi conventional army FOB is being overrun by ISIS insurgents and an Iraqi QRF is stationed 2 clicks away that could easily reinforce the FOB and suppress the attack but officers within the QRF won't take action without the chain of command telling them. They'll literally let their own people die out of fear of retaliation for stepping out of line with Command.
Culturally they lack the initiative to make executive decisions on a basic level.
This is disgusting.
Those are the people replacing us in our homelands.
Literal subhumans.
But Nature cannot be denied long.
War is coming.
Civil war, regional war, continental war, international war, WORLD WAR, GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR, NO MORE OF THIS DISGRACE, NO MORE !
>>70876058
nice try mossad
>>70895428
He's the ISIS Iraqi.
>>70879972
>>70891463
As opposed to Canadian foreign policy of letting all the terrorists in your own country and not doing anything when they kill you.
>>70899408
>>70876058
Probably a shia crew manning it or something
they're happy to go blow some saudis the fuck up
>>70897759
That's mostly Iraq though. A hold over from Saddam's rule.
>>70886907
Get to c
>>70888888
Witnessed.
The joke is that US investment finally produced competent Iraqi operators. . . but they're all Hashd Shaabi and Hezbollah.
>>70875216
thats the joke, this "elite iraqi crew" is probably the only one that actually meets basic US crew competency
further proof that ISIS would be gone already if obams wasn't a fucking pussy
>>70875443
remember that video when two M1A1s were stuck on a bridge and were shot at by ISIS with rpgs, it just bounced off, their ATs are only good for fighting Assad's tanks in close quarters
>>70874944
This is what it looks like when an army actually wants to win and isn't dropping LEAFLETS instead of BOMBS like Obama is commanding. He says we're doing everything we can, yet one Iraqi tank crew has done as much against ISIS as our entire "bombing" campaign. I just hope history remembers what a liar and traitor Obama was.
>>70883159
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9B0J6bAhjI
shame they still rape little kids and fuck goats though and that whole muslim thing
>>70896591
Why the fuck would they blow it up after capturing it? It can't be that hard to figure out how to drive a tank, at least not compared to planes where you will die if you don't know what you're doing. Even if they could only figure out how to get it to move, that's still a mobile cover and an armored troop transport for them. At the very least they could break it down for scrap and parts.
>>70901008
>Why the fuck would they blow it up after capturing it?
Why do dogs chase cars? It's in their blood.
>>70899496
Japan keep up that bestposting.
>>70874944
A POWRFUL BATTUL TANK
NAMED AFTER
A
JEW
>>70879637
nice tumblr gif
>>70901203
i bet it has a different name in iraq
>>70882987
>I fear that someday you will invent some bullshit on us and destroy all our cities
We've done so twice
>American-Mexican War
>Gadsen Purchase
>>70897759
>Arabs are culturally bad officers though.
FTFY
>>70901770
Then stop dating them.
