/pol/, please redpill me on thorium reactors.
I have done some research on that field in the internet and i found out that there is enough thorium on earth to easily bring power to whole planet for thousands of years. Thorium reactors are also claimed to be safer, with very little possibilty of meltdown. Its waste also cannot be used in nuclear weaponry. In short - it seems like a perfect power source. Yet the only country that seems to be researching it is China, as all other countries go for the uranium. Do jews control uranium industry? Is nuclear waste from Uranium even that useful? Or maybe Thorium has some big disadvantages i dont know about?
>>70828254
>the only country that seems to be researching it is China
Really? I heard it was India.
>>70828254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power#Current_projects
Also, I think most countries are not researching anything about fission anymore because muh chernobyl, muh fukushima
Germany is researching fusion, but they'll likely be durka before its dune
>>70828254
>>70828403
No, there are almost a dozen major powers that have ongoing research. Nerve staples for both of you.
>>70828512
>no France
Well fuck it. We'll always have our solar roads.
>>70828585
>implying you ameriburgers will dump money into a project that will not be profitable for you
you have fuckton of uranium based power plants
>>70828585
>Nerve staples
I get that for forgetting to change my name
>>70828520
I know russia has several tokamaks, also murica undoubtedly researches fusion, and i think i have heard of japan doing something fusion-related. Im positive that more countries than that actually do the research, we just dont know about it. Because, well, there hasnt been any exciting news related to nuclear energy.
>>70828254
Fucking faggot, my tacos have burned because of you and your fucking thread. Go kill yourself.
>>70829015
Die russians die, one taco at the time.
>>70828403
>>70828512
China and India probably stole all their research from these countries like everything else
>>70829015
>>70829087
Look what you did. This is your fault.
>>70828696
>solar roads
biggest scam of the century
>>70829271
dont blame me, blame the uranium lobby for how underfunded thorium research is
>>70828254
Right after cold fusion friend ;)
>>70829330
S-SHUT UP IT'S THE FUTURE!
YOU'LL SEE! YOU WILL ALL SEE!
>>70829271
Maybe if you had a thorium based oven you'd have efficiently cooked your tacos before you spent an hour shitposting about n00kz
>>70828696
Isn't France like 80% nuclear power though?
>>70829442
I am calling KGB and Skolkovo right now. Those faggots are going down.
>>70828520
>I think most countries are not researching
LoL. A lot of countries already use third-gen nuclear reactors and Russia has 4th gen BN-1200 on paper, BN-800 is already operational since 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor
Each consecutive generation uses ~30% less uranium and more weapon-grade plutonium so that there is no need to recycle it.
>>70828719
>you have fuckton of uranium based power plants
we really don't
most of our power is coal and gas based
>>70828254
>>70829549
79% of total French electricity production and 18,4 total French electricity consumption in 2004. Which I don't even. I guess we sell back a shitload of lightning bolts.
>>70829908
>>70830013
>>70830033
>>70828254
Solar is the future.
>>70829613
And btw 4th-gen will have fully closed nuclear cycle, which means all waste will be reprocessed into fuel and used in reactor again, until it's all gone, so there is 0 (zero) waste of any kind in the end, you can't get any greener than that.
>>70830112
Literally imaginary.
>>70829144
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%27s_three-stage_nuclear_power_programme
How would India steal something that is utterly and completely nonexisting else where in the world, and moreover its origins are based on plans drawn up in '50s.
>>70828254
>with very little possibilty of meltdown
It's a liquid fuel so the possibility of a meltdown is 100% in normal operation.
>meltdowns are just un-requested fission surplus!
Literally what the fuck? Why risk it.
>>70829955
You probably sell to Germany since those cucks closed all their nuclear plants in anticipation in the invasion.
>>70828254
Delete this thread.
>>70830182
BN-800 is already operational for 4 months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BN-800_reactor
Once the cycle is fully closed with BN-1200 there will be a near-infinite source of energy with 0 emissions and waste, in theory.
>>70830967
Have you ever seen it in person? Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia LMAO
The only thing I really have against nuclear power, is people keep building the power plants in the worst possible locations. Even if you are sure your plant is designed well, why be so careless about basic safety concerns?
>>70831045
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-Russia-connects-BN800-fast-reactor-to-grid-11121501.html
>>70831127
Literally Russian propaganda.
Wtf is up with all these nuclear shills?
>>70828696
>Fallong for the solar FREAKING roadways
>>70831224
Propaganda of what, exactly?
>>70828254
Everything I've read on it suggests it's got the highest potential for very little downside. It's just the problem that it's "nuclear" and that's a boogeyman word that gets very little public support.
People don't understand nuclear power, so they're afraid of it.
>>70831484
Solar is better in every aspect. EVEN NATURE USES SOLAR RATHER THEN RADIATION TO GROW.
>>70829271
>baking a taco whole
kek Yuropeons are so adorable when they talk about Mexican food. I still laugh every time my Britfag friends say "tayco" and "kaysuhdilluh."
>>70831560
>nuclear has killed more people then coal has
>think people don't understand it
oh we understand alright... Humans don't deserve to leave this planet.
>>70831560
Blame Greenpeace and the oil/coal companies
>>70831662
>nuclear has killed more people then coal has
>checks flag
Nevermind, you're a retard.
>>70831597
>radiation
you're a fucking idiot
nuclear reactors do not use fucking radiation to generate energy, they use the radioactive process to create heat, and that heat boils water which powers turbines, which create mechanical energy, which is converted to energy that can be used on a power grid
>>70831597
I have nothing against solar energy, it's also good, the more variation of sustainable energy the better. Btw sun is a giant nuclear reactor too in case you didn't know.
>>70831773
>irradiating water
>letting out into the air
>letting your electronics deteriorate faster because of the sharper electricity being pumped into it from nuclear
>>70831838
>sun is a nuclear reactor too
>is on fire
Sounds about right.
>>70831662
>>70831901
>>70831962
>>70831901
i sharpen my electricity all the time
>>70831901
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>70831901
>>70831901
>irradiating water
do you actually not understand how radioactivity works or are you just pulling my leg
>>70831962
>NUCLEAR
>SUN
>A NUCLEAR REACTOR
comparing fission to fusion is like comparing a grenade to a MOAB.
>>70828254
Breeder reactors have not been shown to be economically competitive with water moderated reactors. They might well turn out not to be for a long time.
For now Uranium is cheap and the cost of waste storage if you don't try to get fancy (ie. just pile up the caskets above ground and put a guarded fence around it) isn't significant either. Unappealing though it may be.
If we just want expensive power to get less waste, well the solar guys will sell us that.
For the same reasons we're not using electric cars, solar panels, less polluting methods of production and different ways for food production.
Money.
This world is ruled by money, not intellect.
If something doesn't produce money, or produces less money, it's worthless.
Welcome in the 21st century.
Fusion is way better
>>70829908
>>70830053
One thing I don't understand about thorium is why these reactors aren't everywhere already if they're so good. Surely there must be some hidden downside.
>>70829144
China steals yes, they stole stealth aircraft designs from you guys, ballistic missile plans etc.
The Indians are pussies about it and work with the U.S and governments to legally buy the technologies and work in tandem with said countries.
Judging by this thread, Thorium is pretty based.
Why hasn't this been implemented widely?
The Uranium jew?
>>70832193
Truth is they are imaginary.
#truthbomb
>>70832149
but in long term, thorium is cheaper. Thorium is common as fucking dirt, Uranium got picked over Thorium solely just because its easier to fit on nuclear sub and you can make nukes out of it. We are out of cold war, we can switch to Thorium.
>>70830450
Why risk what? What's the risk?
>>70832193
A lot of opposition to new techniques and reactor designs. If people are willing to support anything nuclear it's most likely going to be something proven to work on a large scale already.
>>70832149
Have you even glanced at the energy density of uranium? If it was all about money, we would be using nothing else.
Instead it's about hysteria. Nuclear is by far the safest way to generate power and yet it carries by far the heaviest regulatory burden. It could be many orders of magnitude more dangerous before it would be as dangerous as coal.
>>70832230
Can you fuck off to your containment thread already?
>>70830818
>>70828403
india is only researching poo technology
>>70831597
>SOLAR RATHER THEN RADIATION
You have that backwards. Plants actually rely on electromagnetic radiation for photosynthesis. The sun produces a very large amount of this including some visible light.
>>70832325
That's the point.
Thorium is economically worthless.
>>70832351
It doesn't matter.
It's all about money.
Private corporations mining uranium are the ones involved into this.
>>70832538
>better way to generate power with less downsides is worthless economically
alright
Let me get this straight:
Basically, China has engaged with the United States on a 5-year research project to build 2 fully-functional Thorium Molten Salt Reactors.
http://iags.org/thoriumchina.pdf
http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/10/700-nuclear-engineers-in-china-made.html
Germany already had a Uranium/Thorium reactor in place named THTR-300 in the form of a pebble bed reactor but was shut down due to rising costs, anti-nuclear lobbyists and for reasons left undisclosed.
Canada have their CANDU reactors which purportedly can use Thorium as a fuel source
The Indian reactor is primarily a breeder reactor. The Indians are trying to implement them amidst strict opposition, corruption and lack of technical expertise/experience in the area.
Thorium is three times as abundant as uranium
>Img related
Thorium Fuel Cycle
>>70832538
Does China also have uranium lobby? Does Russia (where most of such heavy lifter companies are government-controlled)? I don't think it's that simple.
>>70832670
Because uranium would be used only for nuclear weapons then only. It's the uranium that keeps giving us over because muh could war.
And what >>70832538 said. Radioactive Jew wouldn't allow that.
>>70832480
i hate you
>>70832670
>>70832940
>>70832941
We live in a world of capitalism.
There is no scientific or tech progress unless it involves making more money.
This is our reality.
This will be our future.
There's nothing you can do.
>>70832670
Economic decisions aren't made in the interest of the market, rather they are made by and in the interest of individual market actors.
>>70832940
Not sure about that
But I heard from the China interwebz that there is supposedly a nascent movement/lobby against Nuclear power in the wake of Fukushima. The central government can just push through it though.
The Anti-Nuclear lobby (Which includes the like of Big Oil, surprise surprise) has poisoned the people's minds and delayed the development of nuclear power for over a decade now. With the additional safeguards, nuclear power becomes too expensive for government consideration, not to mention the backlash from the locals from literally decades of Anti-nuclear propaganda.
>>70833097
>not sure how to answer
>gives up without a fight
You're no Australian. Proxyfags not welcome.
>>70833448
stop picking on me, why are all nuclear fags so defensive?
I just stated my opinion that solar is better, and I get shut down in each thread.
>>70833204
In a world of capitalism the more advantageous technology gets quickly implemented and forces the old technology into obsolescence precisely because it can make you more money. I think you meant it as "We live in a world of corrupt and backwards socialism ruled by a majority of retards".
>>70833521
Your opinion is wrong, objectively so. Quit being a faggot.
>>70833656
a thread a day until the radiation induced autism goes away.
>>70833521
Well, you know, if every time you post your opinion people say its bullshit, then maybe you´re wrong.
>>70833521
Your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad.
>>70833721
Stop picking on me, why are all paid Jewish shills so defensive?
>>70833521
Thorium is supposedly safer, cleaner and supposedly 'meltdown-proof'.
Making Solar panels is a dangerous, environmentally-destructive and costly process.
Your bias against Nuclear Power won't change that.
>>70833521
Since when proving someone wrong is defensive?
You're the one who gives no source and projects, doing add hominem on top of that.
Keep shitposting though. I might expand my reaction pics folder in your threads.
>>70833341
Oh, I can easily believe in anti-nuclear lobby, what I doubt is that there is a significant force out there lobbying for older technology within the pro-nuclear lobby.
>>70833521
Maybe because your opinion isn't backed up by reality you fucking redditor
>>70833721
Go away, then. Nobody's holding you here.
>>70832325
>We are out of cold war
you should honestly be a little more aware polan
an African child rubbing a magnet against a loop of copper wire would be a better alternative to nuclear.
I'll post an essay I wrote partially on thorium. Give me a minute
>>70829271
>burnt "tacos"
>grease filling the bottom of the pan
>six
elite haxor aka 4chins
>>70833521
Solar is better for small towns/villages where it isn't worth running high capacity cables huge distances and have an abundance of sunlight.
for cities and large towns and anywhere with a vaguely temperate climate it's all but useless
Nuclear is, objectively, the greenest and safest power source available to man at the moment. The trouble is the green lobby automatically runs to muh radiation poisoning muh meltdowns muh Chernobyl muh three mile island
>>70834040
Solar has never killed a single person ever. Nuclear has. It's an easy solution when you're sane.
>>70833998
>>70833280
Proxyfag confirmed for starting multiple threads on the same subject at the same time
>>70833998
>oh no, peole are picking holes in my argument, maybe i should prove them wrong!
>nah, i´ll just post another stupid bullshit
>>70832193
Carter banned them because they couldn't get bomb making material from them. Our current nuke plants could be converted to weapons facilities within a few months. Also thorium competes directly with the oil industry thus they were lobbied against.
>>70833867
Supposedly if I use Chinese sources, their recent reactors are 'technically' more advanced, self-sufficient and safer than the ageing reactors from the Brits/French/Russians/Japanese/Americans. But I expect them to appropriate some pieces of tech from older/newer designs in the market through joint projects or acquisitions or other means.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china-nuclear-power.aspx
>>70829271
BAKE TACO
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>>70832193
Because until recently research was focused on uranium reactors for one good reason: producing plutonium byproducts for military uses. And once you have spent the resources to develop uranium-based technology, it's painful to spend time and money again to redevelop for thorium. Besides, right now, the price of plutonium ores is so low that the incentive isn't here.
you guys should look on the flag before responding to a shitposter
>>70834131
Solar has never saved a single person's life ever. Nuclear has. It's an easy solution when you're sane.
Sure, just leave the future generations this pool of radiation to deal with. Solar is the future.
>"A vast reservoir of energy is above our heads. This pool of power is contained in the belly of the magnetosphere, which is where the earth's magnetic field interacts with the flow of charged particles constantly spewing out from the sun at a million miles an hour. So powerful is this force, that the side of the magnetosphere facing the sun is compressed to a midpoint of 50,000 miles from earth, and the side away from the sun is elongated into a tail over a million miles long. This compression is equivalent to a gigantic spring of stored energy, constantly replenished. The key is getting it down to earth, and we can do that."
>>70829271
thanks for the hearty laugh friend
>>70831652
come se dice en tu estado amigo? El Jeb Especial?
>>70829869
We have a shit ton in Illinois
>>70832133
Green Energy couldnt sell pussy on a troop train
>>70833204
it would seem that the biggest companies are already sitting on the technology in this scenario
>>70834131
Well by that logic you should probably ban all car, plane and boat travel because those 3 have killed hundreds of thousands, ban peanuts because people have died due to allergic reactions and ban all forms of power generation because people have developed lung cancer due to pollution.
>>70828254
>seems to be researching it is China, as all other countries go for the uranium. Do jews control uranium industry
It's not just Jews, its fucking everybody. This technology represents complete independence from fossil fuels, not just uranium. Which means there are obviously a lot of people with billions and even trillions to lose if that were to happen. That's the motive, connect the dots.
we should put a big nucleon reactor on the moon, and then it could shoot lasers down to earth onto the solar panels to make the solar more go
>>70834131
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/188328-californias-new-solar-power-plant-is-actually-a-death-ray-thats-incinerating-birds-mid-flight
http://www.fairwarning.org/2010/10/solar-installers-death-points-to-job-hazards-in-a-growing-green-industry/
http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/03/deaths-per-twh-for-all-energy-sources.html
Dumping my short essay on the topic
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IwKbwEPMbCKPyQcE5fFQvoImkQ5DEJc5XWPUdgfmWTw/edit?usp=sharing
https://youtu.be/uK367T7h6ZY
>not starting the thread with this
>>70828254
>>70834506
>make the solar more go
>>70829955
This is what I always say. If France can do this, any fucking 1st world country could. It's just never going to happen because the fossil fuel and "green fuel" lobbies (cartels, both of them) spend millions to make sure it doesn't. Both of those industries would cease to exist if this technology became more viable and widespread.
>>70828254
That's because the west had the tech to build Thorium reactors at the same time they had the ability to build uranium reactors. It's actually HARDER to build a nuclear reactor.
But guess what, nuclear weapons need uranium.
>whites support solar
>blacks support nuclear
HM.
>>70833998
>africans safer than nuclear
Anyone have that picture of Detroit vs Hiroshima?
>>70828254
The thorium reactor company stock price disagrees.
>>70834390
What are you quoting?
>>70831901
>not sharpening your electricity
I bet your almonds are unactivated.
>>70834659
>projecting
>>70834659
No, they dont
>>70834684
Literally all thorium supporters watch StarTrek too much, haven't moved out of home, and sleep with more than 1 pillow.
>>70833639
If you prefer that term, it's okay.
Picture related, our future.
>>70834659
People who know absolutely nothing like solar. Blacks like green energy as a rule because they don't know any better. African blacks are too stupid and poor to even attempt feel-good renewables.
Whites are the only group that could go either way, nuclear supporters are generally white.
Anyone else here a nuclear engineer and actually want to help these guys learn something about the field?
I'm gonna guess not, too bad
>>70832193
jews
>>70834659
No.
>>70834506
The problem with that is heat dissipation, without an atmosphere it's hard to get rid of heat on the moon.
You could do something similar to this with space based solar power stations. Building huge solar panels in orbit and then beaming the energy down to earth is feasible (unlike ground based solar panels) because they are exposed to the sun much longer and they don't need to be cleaned since there's no dust/dirt/weather in space.
>>70834802
No, you're not alone.
Stop fighting with ignorants, it's pointless.
After the #nth time, it becomes boring.
>>70832196
It's not like China has brass balls. They're just opportunists capitalizing on Obama's weakness/near treasonous behavior. They would never try some shit like this with Trump, which is why even China has piped up about how "Evil" Trump is. The whole world is afraid of this guy because he might fuck up their crony profits.
>>70834721
Steve Jobs, he had some serious plans for Apple before he got his diagnosis.
>>70834623
T-Thanks senpai...
>>70833656
Solar is fine in Australia where you could plant several million sq. miles of solar plant in the outback with 15 hours of sunshine a day all year round. In places like northern europe where we don't have huge tracts of unoccupied desert and 6 months of shit weather a year, we don't really have that opportunity.
>>70829548
Underated post
>>70834847
>there's no dust/dirt/weather in space
See, this is what i mean.
This place is a joke.
Have a laugh, shitpost and joke how much you want on /pol/, you're not going to have a real discussion between intelligent people.
nothing to red pill you on, nuclear energy is safe and clean, It is the only viable longer term sustainable energy, and thorium reactor is basically perfect in design
>people literally think "I DUN GET SUNLITE" is an excuse
You don't live in Antarctica where it's permanent darkness, you have no excuse.
>>70829271
Learn to make a fucking taco and this shit wouldn't happen.
Jesus fuck, what even are those things? Are you trying to halfway deep fry them in your oven?
>>70834978
There isn't, compared to the conditions on Earth.
>>70835013
But I do.
>>70831662
>Nuclear killed more people than coal
>>70834946
The problem with having a gigantic solar farm is the upkeep. You'd have to have teams of people who'd drive out there, into the shitty Australian wilderness, and clean and replace any knackered panels. The cost of doing that would outweigh any possible benefit of doing this.
>>70834659
Yeah mate dont step heea ill fackin nip ya.
Global warming is completely made up you idiots. Don't believe the zionistic media they were just puppets of the liberal society to create a bigger government and steal our money while taking control while eliminating all freedom of the god-blessed U.S.A.
>>70831901
Grade A shitposting, straya cunt
>>70834727
Oooooooh shit!
A fucking leaf bringing the heat!
>>70835230
Time to ask mommy to make you a sandwich before your nap.
>>70834978
He's partially right. Solar is the obvious choice for space-based vehicles because they can get almost constant exposure to the sun. On earth solar panels require periodic cleaning to get rid of dust and dirt carried by the wind and rain, which of course, in near-earth orbit is not an issue.
Of course, getting the enormous weight of all the panels required to provide any kind of realistic energy output into orbit and "beaming" the energy down is nonsense.
>>70832898
The problem with using CANDU for a Thorium reactor is the solid fuel reprocessing necessary, it's a nasty business (MOX has been a giant boondoggle, it doesn't significantly reduce waste because used MOX fuel itself is not reprocessed). LFTR looks to have a big advantage there.
>>70835382
Beaming energy out of ROCKS is retarded too. Fuck nuclear.
>>70834978
>make a slightly exaggerated statement about something slightly off topic
>guaranteed autism break out
>>70828254
>/pol/, please redpill me on thor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rIw80GDTMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peTyEMmziE3
>>70829547
>>70829330
>>70828696
It's a shame because the idea of exploiting as much solar energy as we can sounds smart in theory, but right now it's too damn expensive to manage. I love the idea of society pulling as much energy from the sun as it can at all times everywhere, but it definitely needs more research and work. Imagine if clothes, buildings, cars, streets, everything was made with a sense of collecting and storing solar power. How? I don't know, but it's just so much energy that's not being tapped.
>>70829271
What in the fuck. Do you even know how to make tacos?
>>70835453
>Beaming energy out of ROCKS is retarded too.
That sounds fucking awesome. Shill confirmed dead inside, no inner child.
>>70834397
Where are they in illinois
>>70834555
Bump
Anti nuclear shills can't dispute this
>>70831652
Thats my recipe. Its is waaay easier and faster, than fucking with every single taco in particular. Go ask your mother about cooking some time, when you are not busy eating your tendies.
>>70835659
Because there are no anti nuclear shills here
>>70835646
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Illinois
Basically 50% of the electricity in Illinois comes from nuclear power.
>>70835677
You don't know how to cook tacos. You cook the meat and shell seperate. Put small amount of cheese on shell then meat then cheese and vegis. Then wrap it up.
>>70835830
I aint never seen one around I heard we had em but never got to see one.
>>70835230
Global warming over the last century is real (some Americans form whom a few small places in the US midwest constitutes the known universe not withstanding). Almost any coastal weather station with data for the last century will show this, fully uncorrected.
Arrest of global warming over the last decade is also real.
>>70832193
There are still some engineering problems to be sorted out, chiefly the fact that the working fluid is both extremely hot as well as corrosive, and making a material that doesn't give a fuck about either is tricky. The actual science behind the reactor is ancient and easy to replicate.
>>70834350
Sure, just leave future generations to be LITERALLY BURNED by solar radiation.
Coal is the future.
>>70835860
He only knows how to cook vodka
>>70835830
nat gas has been on the rise the last few years and is actually bigger than nuclear right now here
>>70832193
Capitalism my friend. Why would a big industry earning shitloads of money on Uranium based plants want competition from something superior?
>>70835860
I know about that. I know how to make "proper" tacos. But cooking them normally takes too much time and effort. And with baking them whole, you get a shitload in like 30 minutes with minimal efforts. And they are not any less tasty.
>>70835941
They're awesome, I used to work at one.
>>70836017
Yeah, but 50% nuclear is still amazing.
>>70836017
This.
>>70835830
That map is made by and for retards. I live right next to a major wind farm and its not even marked on there.
>>70835860
if you bake your taco you're going to fuck up your tortilla, you should be toasting it on the grate over your stove (god help you if you use an electric stove, and if you even think of using a flour tortilla you can just go ahead and kill yourself)
Solar is fucking retarded.
The energy you are using for anything connected to the grid is actively going back and forth between the power source.
This is hundreds of miles of high voltage lines with effecincy loss.
Who the fuck cares if there is 1 spot on earth that has unlimited sunlight? Have fun spending the trillions of dollar is would cost to transmit that energy to the furthest users. Wire's resistance over length and all that shit .then you have the fucked battery issues to deal with, with your oh so green solar.
Fuck off, it's applicable and has its place. But as some final solution it's a shit sham.
Clowns
>>70835677
If you're going to bake them in a pan, try just making enchiladas instead. A taco is usually light and in a soft shell, it looks more like you are trying to produce flautas/tacquitos. Just wrap it up into a tube rather than a "taco shell" and it will come out 10x better.
>>70832193
>If electric cars are so much better, why aren't they everywhere!?!?!
>>70836101
Why would said big industry not capitalize on this something superior itself, though?
>>70834350
>We can power the planet if we build a couple of swimming pools
>>70836185
Alright, i will consider that next time.
>>70836131
I just pulled it off of wikipedia
>>70836136
We know.
>>70836114
Yeah besides our economy and government and shitago illinois is pretty good
>>70836329
> wikijewdia
You fucked up
>>70836135
I use soft shell tacos i don't care for crunchy tacos that much.
>>70835013
Cloud overlay can affect the performance of solar panels quite drastically. An overcast sky can reduce the energy production by as much as 50% compared to peak power generation on a cloudless day.
>>70836201
Because Capitalism is all about them quick profits.
What usually happens when big projects/industry are built up; the government research it, builds it and then sells it cheap to their rich friends.
>>70835963
Liquid sodium fast reactors are indeed ridiculously failure prone. Liquid fluoride salts are not very corrosive though.
Current nuclear relies on selling fuel rods to powerplants.
A Thorium Breeding Reactor that relies on Liquid Molten Miscible Fuels is a disruptive technology to the current financial status quo, Couple that with the fact that the whole world has some autistic sense that nuclear is a danger to us all even though it has killed far less people than any other power source, Doesn't pollute and new innovations in the field can solve the waste problem, This is why nuclear has stagnated, And why it will be a long time before humanity uses logic again over emotion based intuition.
>>70835453
Nuclear decay releases HUGE amounts of energy. It's literally what keeps the core of Earth hotter than the surface of the sun.
>>70836444
Baked tortillas can be pretty good, they don't get that crunchy unless you fry them.
>>70836719
That does look good
>>70836666
In a sense geothermal is nuclear energy
>>70831102
With LFTR you don't have to be near a water source for cooling. They can be built anywhere as opposed to water cooled PWRs
>>70832193
The were shelved because we wanted breeders and uranium oxide reactors for making isotopes for nuclear weapons during the cold war. You don't get stable isotopes that are useful in nuclear weapons from thorium. The decision basically came down to one asshole in the 60s and we have been fucked ever since.
>>70836719
That does, indeed, look better than the mess i produced.
>>70832193
You realize there are literal house molds that are made with ceramics and cost 5000 usd but won't be made public because there is no money in houses that everyone can own. Look up the Venus Project and see their lists of denied patents. The U.S government is fucking nothing but shills and bought off kikes.
>>70829271
That's not how you make Taco, Russian Federation...
First mistake is wanting hard shell taco. That's not a thing. Hard shell is shit. Soft shell only. Soft shell only needs to be warmed, not baked.
Second mistake is filling these up with meat. That's stupid. Instead, finely chop some mushrooms and onions, brown them, salt and pepper, add 3/4lbs of meat, brown that, add your (home made) spice mix and some water to spread it around.
While that's going on, warm up the soft shells, put some (home made) salsa in a pot, grate some cheddar, finely chop some lettuce and a tomato.
Once the liquid has mostly evaporated from the meat, you take a soft shell, put it in your hand, spoon some meat, sprinkle cheese, spoon in salsa, then put some pieces of tomato and lettuce. Wrap them up, fold the bottom, and eat away.
God damn Russia, shit's not hard.
>>70832229
Oxide fuel pellets are pretty lucrative for Westinghouse, GE and others. When they sell you the reactor what they are REALLY selling is a 50 year fuel contract. LFTR basically shits on fuel market margins. Thorium is 5 times as common and easy to extract/process. We're literally doing if already in mining operations.
>>70836666
But doesnt earth's core consist of metals and liquified rocks, that are not really radioactive? Doesnt it stay hot just because there is no way to dissipate the heat, except for volcanoes and IR radiation?
>>70831224
It's not, it's legit.
And the best thing is to have multiple sources of energy anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason why designs like that aren't being pushed for more is because there is so much wealth that is entirely dependent on energy, and it would destroy that.
>>70832349
It's not a new technique. We ran one from the 50-60s without interruption proving all tech and methods without incident.
>>70837086
>Thorium is 5 times as common and easy to extract/process. We're literally doing if already in mining operations.
One of the reasons China is looking into it is because they already have literally tons of thorium "waste" just laying around. Because right now thorium is literally a waste product of rare mineral mines.
>>70836996
A burger has already told me essentially the same thing.
But this is no regular taco, this is the ULTIMATE GHETTO STUDENT TACO: MOTHERLAND EDITION. You are supposed to eat it while squatting, so that dripping fat doesnt get onto your table and/or clothes.
>>70836943
You have problems friend. Taco problems.
>>70836977
Please tell me more about those molds.
>>70832229
I guess using uranium you can more quickly/efficiently get plutonium out of the process. saving costs or making best use of mining products was not a priority during the development of the current nuclear technology
>>70837413
I don't want to taco'bout it.
>>70828254
Fuck off, HERF DURF DURRR, RED PILL ME ON X BRO, TOTALLY NOT SHITPOSTING
>>70837585
>>70837361
>You are supposed to eat it while squatting, so that dripping fat doesnt get onto your table and/or clothes.
You just changed my whole outlook on eating food that's dripping with grease (100% of my traditional American diet, obviously).
American high-energy food + Russian squatting technology could be a game changer.
>>70836923
> With LFTR you don't have to be near a water source for cooling. They can be built anywhere as opposed to water cooled PWRs
You don't have to be near water for a water cooled PWR either, you could use the water in a closed loop with air cooling.
It's just not as efficient and you really want ready access to water for emergency cooling. Same is true for LFTR.
>>70834350
>this radiation is dangerous, use this radiation instead
>>70836846
That is true, but even with the most modern advances in drilling technology, the areas where you can utilize geothermal power are still quite limited.
Don't get me wrong, it's great for countries like Iceland which sit on tectonic boundaries, but for areas that are far from any plate boundaries and are sat on thicker areas of the continental plates, it's not so great.
The other problem is that power stations need to be situated as close to the area they're feeding electricity to as possible to minimize transmission losses, and areas that have good prospects for geothermal power tend also to have volcanic or seismic activity, which is obviously not a great place for a residential area.
>>70835555
Nice quads
>>70837116
The solid core is super hot and radioactive. That's where the heat is born. If dissipating that heat was hard, then Mars and the Moon would still have their dynamos running just from the small amount of heat that's constantly being supplied from tidal friction.
>>70836996
You know your tacos, Canada
>>70837287
I did some work for Mountain Pass, know it all too well.
some more cherenkov radiation for viewing pleasure
>>70837722
Not the same for a LFTR. In the event of a meltdown a salt plug melts and drains everything into a safety vat.
>>70828254
iirc there wer esome technical difficulties that made it unfeasible but nothing that cant be solved. i think it was that molten salts corrode everything cant recall
>>70829271
> box/premade tacos
i bet theyre still cold inside lmao
>>70838479
The nickel alloys were developed and tested (molten salt loops) but some asshole at oak ridge sold them for scrap.
>>70828254
1) All major world powers are doing research into thorium
2) The problem isn't a Jewish conspiracy, it's that we haven't come up with a viable industrial Thorium reactor design, there are major engineering obstacles still to overcome. Same problem with sustainable fusion.
3) Uranium is already viable. Resistance too it comes mostly from the coal industry.
>>70836131
that giant stretch of wind turbines on the way to indianapolis? Shit looks pretty cool. Doubt it brings in that much energy compared to the nat gas/nuclear plants in the state tho. Do you have figures on how many megawatts/year they produce? I think nuclear is great (better than coal at least), but it's good to see nat gas up there. That shit is efficient.
>>70838605
100% hand made, baked at 180C for 20 minutes and at 230C for 10 more. They were literally smoking.
>>70837361
>ULTIMATE GHETTO STUDENT TACO: MOTHERLAND EDITION.
With that much meat in them, they're more like "obese and wasteful rich person tacos".
>>70837722
>Same is true for LFTR.
Not exactly. There's no real potential for loss of control in a LFTR because the reaction is very much self-regulating. The problem with light water reactors is that the fuel is solid, which means if something goes badly wrong, the fuel is stuck in the core and will keep on decaying and releasing energy. With LFTRs, the fuel is in liquid form (hence the name) and if shit hits the fan for whatever reason, the liquid salts can be drained from the core into a dump tank. Thorium salts also absorb more neutrons as it gets hotter, which means less neutrons to propagate the chain reaction. Another factor is that the salts also expand as they get hotter, which - since they're liquid - pushes further fuel back out of the core.
Basically, if things go wrong in a thorium reactor, you can shut it down very easily and without having to keep the reactor core under control.
>>70836101
nah, if it were cheaper and easier to use thorium we'd be doing that. Supply and demand homie. Monopolies can try to suppress the free market, but when another option is overwhelmingly better and economically feasible it will happen.
>>70828512
>Done some research
>Wiki
TopKek
>>70835230
CO2 and other gasses in the atmosphere trap sunlight reflecting off the earth's surface, how is that so hard for morons to understand?
>>70829955
>>70830615
they actually import power from Germany
German engineers were able to strap magnets to the bodies of dead nazis to generate electricity from their rotating corpses every time they spin in their grave when an Aryan woman is raped by an imported shitskin. The whole immigrant crisis is probably a conspiracy by German utility conglomerates to keep the lights on
>>70839745
It's just the reddit migration.
We really need that wall.
>>70839538
Obviously, but at a too slow rate.
It won't be cheaper before it is researched and built up. Hopefully rich people not in the Uranium business can make it happen. Or the government or both.
>>70839538
Someone else hit the nail on the head earlier; light water reactors can be readily converted to produce Pu-239.
Thorium reactors on the other hand, offer very little useful products outside of the energy they produce.
The biggest problem with Thorium reactors is this. The corrosive, radioactive, molten salt. Even the best metals don't stand up for long. If it was just two of those three complications, we could do it. But its just not feasible because the problems compound.
Found a metal that can hold the hot corrosive salt? The radiation alters the metal's molecular structure and the property is lost. And so it goes.
>>70839267
Almost a kilo of meat has cost me 6 bucks. Is that considered expensive?
>>70836996
I live 3 hours from Mexico.
>Buy pork/beef roast
>put in pot with water
>add dried guajillo peppers
>add sliced onion
>add some cumin
>simmer until tender and falling apart
>get some soft corn/flour tortillas
>get pure cream or Mexican crema
>get cilantro
>get red onion
>limes
>sharp cheddar is optional
Once the meat is done, throw a tortilla on the stove over an open flame. Char it a bit. Now get the tortilla and add some shredded meat. Next add the chopped cilantro, red onion, and cream and lime juice. Now you have a Mexican street taco.
>>70840435
>The corrosive, radioactive, molten salt. Even the best metals don't stand up for long. If it was just two of those three complications, we could do it.
The salt being molten is a non-issue, because the melting point of the salts is far, far lower than the melting points of any of the metals they're in contact with. The salts are corrosive, but there are materials that can withstand it.
The real issue around thorium reactors is there's very little prospect for an economy around it. U-235 is rare and valuable, and people can make money from mining it. Light water reactors also produce Pu-239 (which again, is valuable), as well as other materials that are useful in various industries. Thorium on the other hand is much more common and less valuable than Uranium - it's literally a waste by-product from rare-earth mineral mining, and the fuel cycle doesn't produce anything of any real value beyond energy.
>>70838260
A modern PWR can meltdown into the containment building as well. Even at orders of magnitude less cost the melting of the core plug in a LFTR is not something you would want to happen very often, emergency cooling using a plentiful water supply would be much preferred.
Combined with the higher efficiency of once through or wet cooled steam turbines I don't see many LFTRs build away from water. You'll be able to put in a lot of (HVDC) power line before it makes sense.
>>70828403
because they're not controlled by pic related like we are. No one will stand up to them
>>70829144
>>70832196
>>70834867
>>70828403
The burgers were working on this shit in the 70's but the government shut them down because of a combination of corporate lobbying and desire for reactors capable of easily producing weapons grade material (toasting fuel).
The scientists that wanted to kick the LFTR and other breeder designs off again got sick of being ignored and GAVE their work to the chinks and curries because fuck you thats why.
So now the US is going to be working against a nation with cheaper labor and cheaper power generation.
Good luck.
http://fortune.com/2015/02/02/doe-china-molten-salt-nuclear-reactor/
>>70840614
Not really
>>70836977
>venus project
You're one of those kooks. Jacques Fresco is a literal kike and a scam artist, and you should feel like a fool for trusting any word that comes out of his mouth.
>>70832193
The chemistry is difficult, the salts used to suspend fuel and move heat eat at most materials.
There is no long term experience with the reactor type, we have been gathering skills since the 50's for current gen reactors, the LFTR and other designs are a completely new system.
Regulations are absurd, if you cannot tick the boxes that were drawn up for PWR systems you dont get to build anything so a radically different system just gets shitcanned.
There are plenty of reasons getting this shit off the ground has been so difficult.
>>70837179
It was a single experimental reactor. There is a lot of work to be done for commercial generation but the experiment did prove the concept was feasible.
>>70836506
>Liquid fluoride salts are not very corrosive though.
The processes used to separate uranium from the salt blanket and extracting fission products from the core salt loop require handling shit that is far more corrosive than just the salt. Even the hastelloy n they used would not last long.
There is some new alloys on the market but they need to be more thoroughly tested.
>>70839538
>but when another option is overwhelmingly better and economically feasible it will happen.
Barriers to entry are too high atm. They are being kept artificially high through regulation controlled by the existing uranium based industry corporations. That combined with the significant cost of research and test reactors that need to be built means nobody has had the balls.
Once China gets it done though and has a proven system they will export that shit all over the world and it will end the production of new uranium reactors in a single move.
>>70829271
Now you have tostadas. Be optimistic, man.
>>70834623
You fucker haven't seen the main event yet, we N°1 nuclear M8, get ready for ITER the first economically viable nuclear fusion reactor. Guess where it's going to be built?
France because that what we do from CERN to superphenix.
N°1 in physics since fucking 1600
>>70831224
>Literally Russian propaganda.
https://www.iaea.org/PRIS/CountryStatistics/ReactorDetails.aspx?current=451
>IAEA
>Russian propaganda
This should be good.
>>70828254
>/pol/, please redpill me on thorium reactors.
Nuclear is the way to go if you can get the hippies to shut up about it.
>I have done some research on that field in the internet and i found out that there is enough thorium on earth to easily bring power to whole planet for thousands of years.
There's easily enough high-output radioactives on Earth to carry us so long we won't need to worry about running out, yes.
>Thorium reactors are also claimed to be safer, with very little possibilty of meltdown.
Any reactor with a negative thermal coefficient of reactivity can make that claim, and that's only dependant on the arrangement of your fuel cells.
>Its waste also cannot be used in nuclear weaponry.
Are you forwarding this as a positive?
>In short - it seems like a perfect power source.
It's pretty good.
>Yet the only country that seems to be researching it is China, as all other countries go for the uranium.
Uranium is the one we know best and a lot of it is sitting around.
>Do jews control uranium industry?
No, but people (like Reid) who are invested in "green" energy control waste containment facilities and control waste disposal laws, actively preventing nuclear development to protect their business ventures.
>Is nuclear waste from Uranium even that useful?
No, that why we shove it under a mountain in the desert.
>Or maybe Thorium has some big disadvantages i dont know about?
No huge ones, besides being a relatively new thing. Hard to get capital and permissions when you're the new kid on the block.
>>70828512
>tfw monkeys will be part of the worldwide energy source revolution
/pol/ BTFO
