Here's one to people who doubted Musk. I do not blame you, because he is truly playing risky games with crazy ambitions, but you have to admit: He is a fucking God and he is changing this world.
>>70573834
We'll see what happens when the price of lithium skyrockets as he totally rapes the market of it.
Also, he hasn't actually made any money yet. All he's done is get a bunch of idiots to place refundable deposits on vehicles they wont see for 2-3 years.
He needs to hire a mercenary army to protect his assets next
>>70574020
He building a battery planet in Nevada and a highway to a lithium mine
>>70573834
I fucking wish I could do something like what this man is doing for humanity.
>>70574020
>>70574311
We are going to look like short sighted idiots to our ancestors though when they have to sift through ancient junk piles to recycle rare earth metals and other compounds because we didn't have an organized system.
What's the deal with this guy? Is he some kind of super genius?
>>70574020
>when the price of lithium skyrockets as he totally rapes the market of it.
What do you mean?
>Owns lithium stocks
>Sells products that requires lithium
>Price for lithium rises and he sells it to people
Resembles Rockerfeller's oil monopoly strategy if anything. How will this make him suffer?
Also, what is making you doubt the success of Tesla cars and of the model 3?
>>70573834
>Driving anything by Elon 'car brakes aren't needed where we're going' Musk
>>70574627
Well, why is Musk any different to you?
He learnt his entire knowledge of rocketry from a single book.
If you can spot a good gap / potential in the market and open a business for it, like Musk did with the internet back in his time and like he is doing with electric cars now, and train yourself to have the technical knowledge for it or hire people who do, you can make a ton of money, and once you have money you can open any business that will benefit humanity. (see: SpaceX)
If you sell products that SpaceX or Tesla needs, you will get to directly work with Musk.
>>70575211
>Spot a good business gap
That's the problem. There doesn't appear to be many of those. Musk invested in future tech that's how he cornered his niche. The existing markets have been cornered by other people so there is little room for improvement. I don't know what the future holds, I'm not a prophet or a physicist.
>>70576111
He is entering one of the most tight, monopolised, traditional markets.... cars, successfully.
I agree, it's hard, which is why it's so rare, but if you take the bother to learn by reading a lot, educating yourself about certain fields and the industries that exist in them, and expand your creativity by simply having ambition and imagination, you will find something.
>le electric sports car meme
cant wait til this cuck brit goes bankrupt with his dumb space idea and inevitable lawsuits to his shitty cars
>>70575211
I lack the knowledge of both business and rocketry. I'd like to say work keeps me far too busy to invest time in learning either, but that is no excuse. Sacrifices must be made.
>>70576938
uhhhh ummm umjmmmmm that doesn't prove any thing!
>>70576111
Start a sex robot or very tiny house company because that's pretty much the future right there.
>>70577250
kek,here's an article about how well Musk is doing too.
http://www(dot)zerohedge(dot)(cum)/news/2016-02-10/tesla-releases-fresh-batch-epic-non-gaap-gobbledygook-stops-reporting-free-cash-flow
>>70577154
In one of his interviews Elon says he averages a 90 hour work week running his 2 businesses plus being chairman of solar city. If your ambitious enough you'll find the time
>>70577102
Why do you dislike him so much?
>>70573834
>This level of delusion
Let me explain something to you morons. Musk is nothing but a meme. We will never live in a world where the majority can afford electric cars or the electric grid can support both itself and the entire transportation network. It's a non-starter. Sorry. Them's the brakes.
And as for space exploration. Nope. Not that either. Everything you consider "high tech" is prmitive, barbaric shit. You're breaking your own arm patting yourselves on the back for replicating 1940sish technology like it's innovative and which is mostly also reliant on petroleum, which is going to be too expensive to use for anything but the military in your own lifetimes.
Musk may as well be Steve Jobs for all the good he does.
>>70577250
Hey you, I saw you earlier. Where you at?
>>70576938
So what, he has the money to spare, he is bidding time.
SpaceX, too, operates at a loss, but once it produces the technology it needs- reusable rockets- it will literally transform the space industry.
>>70577102
You sound literally like the people in history who were wrong.
>Your electric cars are a meme!
>Your space idea is stupid!
But do explain your position
>>70574852
he's a meme businessman
>>70577419
>zerohedge
hows that hyperinflation coming along? lmao
>>70573834
he wont change shit until he promotes nuclear energy
all hes doing is powering cars by a dirty coal grid, increasing demand for coal, instead of a slightly cleaner gasoline engine
Nobody in this thread has mentioned stock. Let's talk about Tesla stock.
>>70573834
>7.5 billion
But they were just $1000 preorder placements.
>>70577921
Coal has done nothing but drop in the past few years, and drop hard. Meanwhile, natural gas and solar have skyrocketed.
>>70577728
>he's losing money but surely it'll pay off
If he can't make money in the car industry now,how do you expect him to make the money back?
>trasform the space industry
There's a nice meme. Look,the launch doesn't just consist of buliding the rocket and firing it off. Hell of a lot of other technology is involved. What he may have done(and then again,reusing rocket parts may not even be usable due to metal decay) is slightly improving a small cog in a huge machine. If you think this is the key to space travel every weekend,well,hate to break it to ya,but even your grand-grand-children won't see it,unless we somehow invent a whole new means of transportation based on vacuum manupilation or some shit.
>>70573834
>gross profit: $7.5b
>net profit: -$55b
yep a grade a maverick right here.
>>70573834
NONE of this changes the world if we don't have an infrastructure that supports charging up these beasts first of all. Second of all, to all of you blue pilled out there that think this energy is somehow "green", unless there is a renewable source powering the grid, all you've done is move carbon emissions from one place to another. The biggest obstacle to making renewable energy feasible is finding a way to store energy efficiently and keep up with demand. Right now, what happens when you turn on your washing machine is that the "bus" (the voltage on everyone's outlet) droops by like a millivolt for a little bit, then a generator starts burning more fuel and turning harder to keep up with it. In this respect, the supply just follows the demand and burns more fuel in the process. What happens when you switch to renewable sources? You can't make the sun shine harder or the wind blow harder (also what happens if the sun goes behind a cloud, then you're fucked). You need to have a system that "gets fat" when the sun is putting out more energy than everyone needs then pulls from the reservoir when it can't keep up. The technology isn't there yet because batteries suck and because we've invested all of our resources in male pattern baldness, pornography, and floating an armada down the red sea instead of improving the existing technology. What Musk is doing is good, but meaningless until we fix that problem.
>>70578059
Presumably they're assuming that all those orders will be filled which is optimistic to say the least.
>>70573834
Musk is an actor plain and simple
>>70577805
Wouldn't know,mate,I just reverse-searched the image. The origin is bretty much irrelevant,since the facts are there. The author is quite the snarky cunt,I agree,but can't argue with the figures.
>>70573834
If you buy a Model 3, you're literally retarded.
Then again, no short supply of retards.
Good on him for filling the retard car niche.
>>70578065
>solar
>>70578465
I'm not saying I like it either, just stating the facts. What we really need is more nuclear and better storage capabilities.
>>70577547
this
Literally the only way to carry people into space right now is on an R-7 powered rocket. The R-7 was originally designed nearly 60 fucking years ago
The Space Shuttle was a pile of shit, the pinnacle of bad design by committee (mainly military shitters) and Buran would have blown America the fuck out if the USSR hadn't collapsed.
Normies seem to think Musk is the only guy pushing space exploration by private company. There are HUNDREDS of companies supplying shit to NASA etc
>>70576890
Elen pls go
>>70578568
Angara is being tested now though,not from the R-7 family. Seems pretty good.
>>70578074
The shuttles flew for half a century. Reusable rockets will be reusable enough to be profitable, or do you really think noone in the SpaceX team thought of that before they began the project?
>>70577921
SolarCity. He will have a strong handle on both solar power and lithium.
>>70577547
What makes you think electirc cars aren't going to get cheaper in the future?
If large companies can afford self-driving and/or electric cars, that is already a huge R&D boost that will lead to them becoming cheaper.
>re-using 40ish technology
Noone has ever made re-usable rockets. They are a cornerstone to making spaceflight accessible to other companies, who can use that to develop their own ideas- tourism, orbital construction, communications. In the future, we will run short on helium, and people will go to the moon for it.
>>70573834
>Massive taxpayer subsidies
>Government tit, not genius
>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/397162/tesla-and-its-subsidies-phil-kerpen
>>70573834
My boss has a tesla that I have to drive sometimes. That's my overall opinion of him.
>>70573834
>buying the newest model of anything
>not being a pile of shit
Are these people just stupid with their money? First runs of everything are fucked, especially cars.
>>70578842
>the shuttles
What have they got to do with anything I ever said?
>will be profitable
Explain how. That's what I asked you before. Tell me how exactly can he make back the money he spent on this?
Also,nice ignoring on my rebuttal about """"""transforming"""""" the space industry
>>70578568
>Literally the only way to carry people into space right now is on an R-7 powered rocket.
Are you retarded?
>The Space Shuttle was a pile of shit
As you can see governments are not interested in space. They made something that works- the shuttle, and the ISS- and settled on it.
The idea of spaceplanes is revolutionary though.
>Normies seem to think Musk is the only guy pushing space exploration by private company. There are HUNDREDS of companies supplying shit to NASA etc
Nobody is denying that others like Virgin, Skylon, Boeing, Bigelow etc. are all contributing to the same goal. But Musk can create a cult following around him, and that reaches out to the larger public and gets them interested in space, and that is a great thing.
>>70577364
Im working on robotics now making blue prints
My blue prints blows away darpas and boston dynamic robots out of the water.
I just need 20,000 in the future to assemble my design which is far more advanced then the robots we see now
But yes im building terminators that look like natalie portman
>>70579196
>The idea of spaceplanes is revolutionary though.
>>70579196
>spaceplanes
>revolutionary
>the goddamn space shuttle is a space plane
The delusions are wonderful,aren't they?
>>70573834
>playing risky games with crazy ambitions
Actually it's pretty easy to do when you got a 5 billion dollar check from your pals in the government and you don't have to show a profit or return on investment.
Hell, if I got a check that size with those conditions I would have cat-girls and sexbots ready in 5 years and with a billion orders.
>>70579196
There were 4 manned flights last year. Every one was on a Soyuz, you fucking idiot
>they made something that works
The Saturn launcher worked fine. Expendable spaceflight worked, and still works, fine. The Shuttle solved nothing, and made everything harder, less efficient, and more expensive. You are an ignorant idiot
>>70579076
Metal decay. If you can re-use the same spaceplane for half a century, you can re-use a rocket with improved materials.
>He can't make the money now
He knows what he is doing. All of Tesla has been leading up to Model 3, and when it is released, electric cars will get enough traction to make a profit. Even if he doesn't, creating a good, functioning electric motor will help someone in the future carry on the idea.
You had no point about transforming the space industry, it was all vague rhetoric. Reusable rockets = cheap flights = open up space for other companies, which attempt to create a profit from it, see here >>70578842
>>70579386
Can we crowd source this?
>>70574852
Indians love him because he has a meme understanding of science like they do
>>70579376
>>70579384
Are you guys retarded? The shuttle could only operate as a spaceplane when landing. A spaceplane can function as a spaceplane in it's entire journey.
>>70579647
So what are you proving, that we know how to put people into space for large sums of money?
Do you know how cheap Falcon is compared to existing rockets?
It is 2% of the price.
A reusable rocket will make it even cheaper, learn that idea. The soyuz rocket is what we are stuck with until we can get something better.
>>70579386
>if I got a check that size with those conditions I would have cat-girls and sexbots ready in 5 years
WHERE DO I VOTE FOR THIS MAN?
HOW DO I PUT HIM IN POWER?
>>70580034
The idea is not revolutionary.
If it's completed, it might be a step up from rockets.
>>70579675
>improved materials
You throw these words around,but I don't think you know what they mean. Also,space shuttle maintanence costs a fuckton.
>he knows what he is doing
Good,would he mind backing it up with at least minimal profits? Not counting the huge checks he receives from the government?
>when it is released, electric cars will get enough traction to make a profit
You are so sure of it,what makes you believe it is true?
>Reusable rockets = cheap flights
>cost of the rocket - 54 million(stated by Musk himself)
>cost of launch - 400+ million (stated by ULA)
This was my point. Reusable rockets are nice,even though as I said no guarantee they would even be functional,but it isn't the end all solution. There are a lot of other costs,and nothing is done about them.
>>70580034
Nigga,are you stupid? And how,pray tell,you imagine your version of a spaceplane achieving mach 23 without a carrier rocket?
>>70573834
oh neat another rich faggot destroying the world for personal gain. how cute.
if this faggot gave every single penny he owned to the poor then i might care
stop idolizing the ultra rich, look at what condition they are leaving this world
>>70580034
>spaceplane
>>70575211
>He learnt his entire knowledge of rocketry from a single book. If you can spot a good gap / potential in the market and open a business for it, like Musk did with the internet back in his time and like he is doing with electric cars now, and train yourself to have the technical knowledge for it or hire people who do, you can make a ton of money
The average person cannot do what Musk is doing because Musk is not an average person with an average IQ.
He is a genetically gifted super human. He descends from engineers, entrepreneurs and adventurers. He has an outstanding IQ that isn't even matched by his own siblings.
It is this natural flair for both entrepreneurship and engineering that is truly a rare talent.
You cannot be Musk. Hvae achievable goals.
>gets insane subsidies
>continues to lose money anyway for years now
So impressive
>>70574852
lol he has literally done nothing. He lets his engineers and programmers do everything and he takes credit by being in the press.
I kinda like what he's doing, in general, but his army of fanboys and pretending he's the poster child of capitalism while receiving billions in government subsidies is fucking annoying.
>>70580640
>trick the government into giving you lodsa money
>make meme products and a meme space program
>tell the government to fuck off when they ask about profits
Musk is smarter than 100% of /pol/
>>70580858
If Musk was so smart he wouldn't marry a marry a trophy wife.
>>70580615
Is Musk actually a genius with a high IQ or do people just assume that because he seems highly successful?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aei-world-forum-donald-trump_us_56ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d?tn50o1or
>>70574020
You might be familiar with another little Musk project, SpaceX. He'll soon have the launch capacity to mine lithium anywhere in the inner Solar System.
>>70581014
This.
He literally let a women rape him of his feelings twice, and now he will get his bank accounts raped.
The man is for all intend and purposes honorary cuck.
>>70576938
Tesla is scaling up production to major manufacturer, you mong. It won't be cashflow positive for years.
>>70580858
I get government money for doing nothing, this makes me even smarter than Musk.
>>70573834
>made $7.5billion
Not bothering with looking for the article nor reading it
I assume they mean revenue for tesla, because $7.5billion is extremely high for an owner. He'd have to have $7.5billion in shares, that then doubled to $15billion, for him to actually make $7.5billion
>>70581265
Second one
>>70581265
No he's a legit fucking genius.
He was tested by IBM and was found to have one of the highest aptitudes for computer programming as a child.
He memorised the entire encyclopedia as a child and could recite all of the facts.
>"He is the smartest guy I've ever met, period," Cantrell tells us. "I know that sounds overblown. But I've met plenty of smart people, and I don't say that lightly. He's absolutely, frickin' amazing. I don't even think he sleeps."
>Cantrell tells us that he soon discovered that he and Musk shared an affinity for applied knowledge, and he loaned him some textbooks to study (they "were never returned, by the way!" Cantrell says). The books were "Rocket Propulsion Elements," "Aerothermodynamics of Gas Turbine and Rocket Propulsion," "Fundamentals of Astrodynamics," and the "International Reference Guide to Space Launch Systems."
>He doesn't know exactly how Musk would read or take notes, but he knows that he practically memorized them. "He would quote passages verbatim from these books. He became very conversant in the material," Cantrell says.
>>70580282
>You throw these words around,but I don't think you know what they mean. Also,space shuttle maintanence costs a fuckton.
Friend, material science in the 80s was literally nothing compared to the material science we have and the pace with which we progress at it. If the space shuttle maintainance cost a fuckton, what we make will cost less.
>Good,would he mind backing it up with at least minimal profits? Not counting the huge checks he receives from the government?
Why? The aim is R&D, which is why he did not even patent his initial electric engine models. Everyone in Tesla expected Tesla to fail at first, and you can see that in interviews.
>You are so sure of it,what makes you believe it is true?
Look at his public announcements and his interviews. "It will all make sense in model 3" he tweeted. There is a plan, and he is a master of leading people, like a performer, and he is ambitious enough to have several years of loss to produce a plan.
>This was my point. Reusable rockets are nice,even though as I said no guarantee they would even be functional,but it isn't the end all solution. There are a lot of other costs,and nothing is done about them.
There is a strong guruantee for their functionality, and sure, but any reduction in price helps get more traction and investment into space. Considering rockets are the only way to get into space, they are the key infrastructure for development.
>Nigga,are you stupid? And how,pray tell,you imagine your version of a spaceplane achieving mach 23 without a carrier rocket?
You realise there have been spaceplanes before, right? They did not use carrier rockets? X-15?
>>70580615
Your belief in genetics is self-limiting.
>>70576938
What about the past three months?
>>70576938
The Democrats are on his dick with that government subsidy dope, fucker literally cannot fail.
>>70580787
All successful people do that.
>Wasting hours/years on doing something that you can get someone else to do for you
You have to be an idiot to pass that up. Read the 48 laws of power.
>>70580615
>t. Indian
>>70581616
While I dont think Tesla is going to die anytime soon... its also a niche market. Once range quadruples and they sell a passanger light duty truck, electric cars are here.
Dont buy the scale to make profits later meme. Ask pets.com
>>70573834
>7.5 billion
His company is so far underwater that's not even going to make a dent.
>>70577102
>inevitable lawsuits to his shitty cars
So like any other car company?
I'd be surprised if VW survives. Takata fucked over lots of companies. GM had to be bailed out. Ford is getting shit for moving to Mexico.
>>70577419
Just for the future, you can post the link, it's not banned
I don't understand why people are conflating preorders and purchases as the same thing. These people essientially put $5 down on a $60 product that doesn't come out for years. They can get this money back at anytime and this entire thing is fucking retarded. Pre-orders are not purchases. Same shit is plaguing the video game industry. I would be truly amazed if they were purchases, but they weren't.
Also, the number of people jumping on the "free electricity" snake oil train is hilarious. Please, tell me how having a car with less than 200 mile range and extremely limited refueling options is a good idea. You are essentially limiting yourself by buying something that will actually be obsolete the year it comes out. There will already be better batteries, better self driving tech, better electric engines on the market and it will all be cheaper.
Electric cars are the biggest scam since solar power.
They cost more to make than petrol engines, they are more toxic to the environment when they are disposed of, and the infrastructure needed to charge them will burn more fossil fuels than we already do.
Anybody who falls for this shit needs to wake up. It's a fucking sham, and ten years from now salvage yards will be chock full of these cars, and their batteries will be polluting the Earth. Just wait and see.
>>70577547 >>70578568 >>70578842
I'm sure many in the late 1800s thought the same about the combustion engine, no way there will be enough support for gas and people can't afford the cars. The Model 3 is actually $35K, $25K in some states with rebates. Average American leases or owes money on two or three cars, I'm sure this won't change.
I've already seen two Tesla power stations or whatever, pretty cool.
>>70580787
He's the one who takes all the risk and so he's the one who reaps in the reward.
>>70579041
Eh I disagree in this case, they've already developed 2 larger and more complex models than this. Hypothetically this shouldn't be much of a stretch for his R&D.
>>70573834
DeLorean, Edsel
>>70581744
>what we make will cost less.
How? God fucking damnit,every post I ask you for specific answers,and all you give me is "We will make it." Exactly,how is that going to happen?
>The aim is R&D
Then stop praising him as a genius businessman,because all he's done is being Steve Jobs,being a pretty face behind a machine of actual researchers.
>"It will all make sense in model 3" he tweeted. There is a plan, and he is a master of leading people
So is a con artist,btw. Unless there's hard proof,I ain't trusting shit. And since he is such a big R&D guy,why not present the statistics? I'm sure making a few simple market projections is nothing for a demigod like him.
>Considering rockets are the only way to get into space, they are the key infrastructure for development.
Aight,fuck it,editing my original post.
"This was my point. There are a lot of other costs,and nothing is done about them."
Now,explain to me with that as a basis,why do you think using reusable rockets is gonna transform the industy? YOu do realise we need methods of propulsion in space,space construction,methods of getting the basic resources into space,all this talk of his about mars and mining the Solar System,we are deccades,if not centuries,away. Moon landings were a miracle,and we haven't gone much further from that. Stop pretending he is Space Jesus,he made a tiny little step in the correct direction,and the end goal is miles away.
>the X-15
>suborbital planes
Just because the pilots were given the honorary title of an astronaut doesn't mean they ever achieved orbit.
>>70582026
I tried,got the message that the system thought my post was spam.
>>70573834
>lithium
So every car comes with a remote-accessible computer and a potential bomb?
shut-it-down.jpg
>>70582236
No, the combustion engine is actually useful and practical.
>>70579675
Dude, the amount of money you spend on repairs on regular aircraft is ridiculous. Harriers, the ones I know of, 14 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight average. That's what they budget. More complex newer planes are even more.
Rockets gotta be out of this world expensive. I'm not saying it can't be done... but you know... whatever.
>>70581952
VW is the number one selling car make in the Globe right now. they'll be fine even without the American Market, which they're still working. Nobody really cared about these Diesels.
>>70582236
We have much bigger problems in our infrastructure than the use of vehicles creating green-house gases. I'm not sure this is going to change anything except for some people's personal finances.
![is-general-motors-companys-2016-chevy-volt-the-new-prius[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aCCseNl.jpg "is-general-motors-companys-2016-chevy-volt-the-new-prius[1].jpg")
>>70582098
I have a 2016 Volt and I love it. Going grocery shopping, driving to work or heading to a friend's place, I never drive enough to empty out the battery. Then when I get home I plug it in my garage and fuel up with that dirt-cheap Hydro Quebec green electricity.
The only downside is that climate control empties out the battery faster but you can program it to heat up automatically or trigger it with the smartphone app while the car's plugged in before leaving. I usually use the heated seats and wheel though because the energy use is negligible.
>>70583331
Is it a hybrid? I'm seriously considering one of those. The only thing is that I don't make enough that the tax credit would net me anything on my taxes so I might be better off keeping my current car.
>>70573834
>April 1
ITS A FUCKING JOKE GUYS AND GIRLS
>>70582503
>Now,explain to me with that as a basis,why do you think using reusable rockets is gonna transform the industy?
A space launch with a Falcon 9 costs $60M. The fuel however costs "only" $200k. Being able to reuse the first stage of a Falcon 9 (which is the most expensive part, since it has nine engines, and the engines are the most expensive parts) means being able to reduce the cost per launch of dozens of million dollars, making access to space extremely cheaper.
>>70573834
they can barely produce 50K units a year. these people will be waiting for their car for years.
Elon Musk is a stereotypical comicbook supervillain currently going through his origin story, right down to his name.
Tell me I'm not the only one who sees it?
>>70574641
we're going to look like idiots to our ancestors when they can't extract any more oil cheaply
we're going to look like idiots to our ancestors when they don't have any more arable land to farm
>implying people who think things like this will have sex to have ancestors
>>70583655
God,now you too? Read the previous posts,getting rid of the rocket costs is good and all,but the launch doesn't consist of "fuel 'er up and let 'er rip!",a shit-ton of other equipments is used and requires quite a bit of money.
>>70583523
It's a full electric car with a gas generator that generates electricity and fills up the battery when you need. It's not a traditional hybrid.
>>70583315
I did. And anybody who had some sense did, given their spectacular mpg.
I drive a 35-yr old Mercedes diesel. I wonder how many pollutants that puts out into the air? The diesel regulations that VW was busted on are bullshit.
>>70576938
>all there is to business is free cash flow
>>70578204
believe it or not, that's how sales are actually counted.
you can also sell something at twice the price but give a discount and you add up the doubled-price as sales. i.e. regular price $100, but sell with a sticker price of $180 but give a one-time $80 discount. total sales: $180.
>>70578548
Wind is already badass. Wind now, solar in nearish future.
Elon has the storage thing going. Electricity is cheap or even free during off-peak hours. You'll have a home battery system that charges during off-peak hours and discharges during peak hours... helping balance the grid and also lowering the fuck out of your electricity bill.
>>70574641
Nigger what do you think the space rockets are for? Mining dat shit wit rowbats ho
>>70584338
I think you completely misunderstood. They're giving numbers for cars that are currently only reserved for a thousand dollars that's totally refundable but adding up the numbers as if those cars had already been sold at full MSRP.
>>70584272
>We also know one more thing: total cash declined from over $1.4 billion in Q3 to under $1.2 billion in Q4.This means TSLA will have to sell equity in the very near future.
>February
>$1,000 * 250,000 = $250,000,000
more than a quarter's worth of cash losses fixed.
don't read zerohedge until after the economy has collapsed or a company has failed. zerohedge has been claiming that the sky is falling since it started. I will agree, however, the company is at risk and the valuation has been really high at times.
what i have to do though, is commend him for having the balls and vision to pull this together and make it happen.
>checks flag
it's so clear now. i see why you have to crap on someone who is trying something.
>this many people on /pol/ sucking the teat of big oil
lol?
>>70584767
yes, that's how sales are often counted.
it's fucked but it's not irregular.
Couldn't keep his bitch on a leash tho..you wanna take a cuck rocket to space? No thanks.
>>70583331
but even if you drain the battery you have that built in generator that gives you 40mpg. great design idea, hybrids are stupid compared to this simplicity and effectiveness.
>>70574311
lithium mines don't exist in USA. more like salt lakes and geothermal brine deposits with lithium chloride and lithium carbonate.
>america finally making great cars again
>GOD DAMN FAGGOT ASS NIGGER LOVIN' COMMUNIST
>>70584825
I don't really think it matters what the source is,as long as you can see the line between the authors rhetoric(which is always biased) and the actual facts. I just linked zerohedge because it seemed like the most trustworthy site out of all who published this image.
>flag checking
You don't really wanna go there,leaf. Yeah,my nation are quite vile as a whole,but don't forget who runs heavy manufacturing alongside China. Unlike the welfare nations,we live according to nature laws,as in those who can't make something out of themselves become the stereotype Russians you see on the internet.
Being rich and famous is great for getting pussy but horrible for finding love. How can you find anybody who doesn't love you for your money, and how do you keep them when they have a massive financial incentive to walk whenever you have a little spat. Even when you get all dat quality pussy you gotta worry about those cunts trying to trap you or blackmail you or backstab you with lies to the media so they get $50k for a tabloid interview
>>70578065
nigga have you seen sunedison? fucking largest solar company went from $30/share to 50 cents LOL
solar is a meme. we cannot manufacture a cell that has better than 18% efficiency. we cannot manufacture a battery with good enough power to density ratio to hold a charge for peak electricity times. SOLAR IS A MEME
>>70585346
Just don't marry or have kids. Unless you live in a cucked place with that common law garbage, you can just kick her out when you're sick of her and she gets nothing.
>>70581737
>you will never be this smart
>>70573834
Here's one for you. The company was teetering on the edge of collapse because of it's cash situation before they launched that pre-order campaign. Now they have to actually deliver those cars without running out of cash again.
They've lost money on every unit they've sold to date, and that's before the cost of the absurd amount of warranty work they need because of his poor QA.
>>70584874
I was originally responding to someone asking how they got the 7.5 billion dollar number out of 250,000 pre-orders. I said it was optimistic because there will obviously be some cancellations between now and then.
>>70578007
tsla stock is a shitshow. look how expensive options are lol
i'm thinking about getting 5 contracts for $200 put sept 16. $14 fucking dollars though. gonna cost $7k to execute
>>70585869
You're just a hater.
>pre-ordering a memecar
>>70585546
Where the fuck is the magic mirror that teleports me to this fantasy land you speak of?
>>70573834
And here I am trying to help Dr. de Grey fund his research.
>>70573834
this is the only car that has me actually wanting it, ever. Dont know, guess its the novelty coupled with the idea that its the third iteration and not really beta testing.
>>70581504
You know I never thought about why he was in the space business before now, but now that you mention it , it makes perfect sense for him to go out into space to mine for minerals he needs to power his cars.
Also, the US wont be able to stop him from getting a monopoly on space lithium because they have no jurisdiction in space ;)
>>70576111
>hurr all the ideas are taken
Reminder that snapchat and uber are recent things
>>70586681
The province of Quebec doesn't recognize British concepts like common law. It's one of the main reasons why so few men marry here.
Not worth the risk when you're perfectly safe simply cohabiting, knowing that she won't be entitled to half your shit in 6 months.
>>70573834
He still yet to turn a profit and he only stays a float due to Government handouts
He's just an old socialist with a new paint job
Pic related.
Anyone who puts stock in him is bieng duped
>>70573834
Musk is a self-described American exceptionalist and nationalist, describing himself as "nauseatingly pro-American". According to Musk, the United States is "[inarguably] the greatest country that has ever existed on Earth", describing it as "the greatest force for good of any country that's ever been".
I like him.
>>70587599
>He still yet to turn a profit
>what is paypal
>im literally retarded as fuck: the post
and source on him being given government handouts of fuck off and kill yourself.
ITT: faggots that don't appreciate human advancement
>>70588033
>American
Fuck off, hy is 'n Afrikaaner
>>70585869
so we should short sell any company associated with this clusterfuck and make lots of shekels?
>>70588401
He got lucky with PayPal. All his other ventures depend on government grants and subsidies.
>>70583331
> being a faggot
Nah, I'll stick to my v8 4.6l
>>70588705
>moving goalposts this hard
>claim he hasnt made a profit
>move goalposts when paypal is brought up
Still waiitng for a source on government grants and subsidies. Do you have any idea how much money he made from paypal?
>>70577102
He isn't brit
>>70588943
The threads is about tesla motors. Stop trying to deflect from the argument
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
>>70588943
Here's another source specifically dealing with Tesla Motors
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/10/tesla-is-hemorrhaging-money-despite-millions-in-govt-subsidies/
>be gm
>made electric car 20 year ago
>listen to dealerships and chevron shut down electric car
>need government bailouts due to mismanagment
>afrikan steals marketshare
>>70573834
musk didn't make shit. OP's shitty source not knowing the difference between revenue and profit. not to mention it was only thousand dollar deposits that people were putting down.
>>70573834
These cars have NSA backdoors.
>>70574852
He is a smart guy but his real talent is being a sociopathic liar who will steal and lie to any degree to get what he wants (see:PayPal.)
Much like Jeff Bezos he created a cult of personality around himself and attracts good people. Then he ruthlessly steals their ideas and disposes of his employees.
