should we raise the minimum wage
We should lower it
I don't know
yes
however, no matter what we do, business are going to get rid of people any way they can. they'll use the "government raising min wage" as an excuse like they always do. they are replacing people with machines no matter what.
No. I'd rather keep the automation revolution on hold for a few more years.
>>70558786
Why is she having to work? why don't she just get a husband, increase the demand for workers wages rise.
>>70558856
this
Let's do what Bernie wants. 15/hr minimum wage job. You're still working a shitty job that you hate, but at least you'll be making decent money until inflation kicks in.
Forget about real jobs that can support an entire family on one salary, don't you want to make a living flipping burgers???
Yes, either that or we institute price controls.
The minimum wage should keep up with inflation or we need to control inflation. Simple as that
>>70558914
Good, you dumb shits can't even get a fucking good order right one time. How fucking hard is it to make a cheese burger and put the fucking fries in with it?
>>70558786
No, let the market decide labor rates and leave the Government out of it.
>>70558914
>>70559004
If it gets to the point where more than 25% of people are unemployable the govt will just step in and say no you can't replace all basic jobs with machines, or better yet just put them all on permanent welfare at a comfortable living rate
this is not a good thing
>the government has to force private businesses to determine their workers' wages
Yeah, fuck that.
Slightly. Prices of everything keep going up and 7.25 isn't enough to live on. I know it isn't meant to live on, but sometimes there are no other options.
>>70559273
That's why you kill or sterilize everyone with an IQ under 90. Repeat until everyone has something to contribute.
>>70559182
go back to /r/sandersforpresident faggot
Also, fuck this meme that the minimum wage somehow is meant to make you have a "decent" life. It's supposed to earn you a room, a mattress and a meal everyday.
>>70559176
You actually think people who work full time at McDonald's are mentally capable of getting a well paying job they can support a family on?
Let me guess, you think everyone should be in STEM
>>70559273
Permanent welfare is a great idea, sign me up.
>>70559551
I don't owe society anything.
Is that supposed to persuade me? Why would I want to support a failure of a person who is raising more failures?
>>70559605
>mfw i live in an area where being on welfare gives you more money than working a minimum wage job full time
>>70558786
'Helps' my ass, those ppl will be fired and no teens will be hired ever again
>pay increases to 15 dollars an hour
>get less hours of work
AN ECONOMIC REVOLUTION IS COMING
>>70558786
Yes, because I'm not a greedy Jew
>>70558786
Minimum wage is a solution that works for some time, but in the long term your economy will suffer and unemployment will rise. It has happened in the entire world. And if you manage somehow to stop the unemployment from rising, your economy will suffer. Unless, of course, you have natural resources to keep your undead economy going, like Norway, Sweden or Russia.
>>70559562
I'm voting for trump you moron and I'm a paleoconservative
You free traders who think the only thing that matters is the bottom line of some company are getting kicked out of the Republican Party and I love it
>>70559795
Wagecucks are starting to wake up, good
>>70558786
See
>>70553766
tl;dr: NO.
>>70558786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbYM2EDz40
>>70558786
There should be no minimum. Return to the days of slavery. This isn't a joke. If people aren't willing to better themselves through education they should be treated and controlled like the cattle they are. Instead of beef, they're donating their idiocy to pressing buttons. Automation can't come soon enough. I'm once robo McDonald's is in place, we can butcher the slaves and sell their meat for profit.
>>70558786
I'm ok with 15$ minimum wage desu
>>70559813
/thread
>faggot don't realise giving everyone more money raises inflation
Kek
>>70558786
>35 years old
People should have gotten training, education, or experience to make themselves more valuable professionally.
>28% have children
That is a choice that people make. People make all kinds of life choices for which there are consequences. The costs of those choices should be borne by the person who made them.
Why is this controversial?
>one out of two people in the household earns half the money
No shit.
>>70560042
>implying a job isn't slavery
>implying you aren't a slave making someone else rich
If we ban women from work there'll be plenty of it for the other half of population and with much better wages.
>>70559589
If you're not mentally capable enough to get a proper job it's probably better that you die and end your miserable line
>>70560167
>punish people for having kids
>but why is our fertility rate dropping!?
>>70559605
dirty commie
>>70559551
I would agree there's too many people who would oppose it so over time
>>70559698
they took care of you and educated you plus let's not get the military involved and how they protect you
>>70560054
I wouldn't make it $15 an hour
why we dont have minimum wage 100 dollar and everyone of be rich
>>70560188
>muh proletariat
>muh bourgeoisie
>muh wagecucks
It gets even more hilarious when you realize this faggot is american
>>70560167
But I thought you were against education?
>>70560321
>cuck fell for the meme he has to get a job and needs to contribute to society
Good goy, now work that unpaid double overtime. Your boss mr. shekelstein needs a new boat.
>>70559698
Yes you do. Whatever happened to "Ask not what tour country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?
Should say "mostly people who didn't put in the effort to get a better job."
Raise it with inflation, but not to the absurd $15/hr people are demanding.
The minimum wage is barely higher today than when I started working nearly 18 years ago.
>>70558786
People too lazy to get a promotion or a decent education, can't even raise a stable family deserve more money in exchange for voting a politician who will write laws their bosses must follow.
Why is the government acting like a union? Possibly the worst thing Thatcher and Reagan did, if I'm honest.
>35+ year old average
>full time job
>earning minimum wage for their salaries
God damn I hate these kind of images. They throw out carefully picked averages to paint a very specific picture, targeting a very specific audience. Even if those "facts" are inconsistant or incompatible with one another.
I wish the general population knew to stay away from this shit....
Cost of living is different everywhere so no.
Would not raising the minimum cause teens to lose their jobs and a majority of adults, the only people who'd have jobs would be privileged adults.
>>70560623
>lazy
>says the paper pusher who sits behind a desk all day
>>70560510
Collectivist nonsense.
>>70560623
You will never get that promotion. You will never be CEO. You will always be a slave, slaving away to make your boss rich. I on the other hand am a NEET and will never become a wagecuck like you.
>>70560825
>I'm an island unto myself
Libertardian pls
>>70560825
When we believed that "nonsense" we were putting men on the moon. The alternative is "gibs me dat" like a nigger.
>>70558786
In the short run unproductive workers who don't make 15 dollars an hour in productivity are fired, in the long run prices adjust and people are paid the same amount as their marginal productivity of labor did not change.
In other words minimum wage is useless.
>>70558786
im actually all for raising the minimum wage, this will speed the replacement of low level workers with robots and bring us one step closer to robowaifus
>>70560789
>privileged adults
You mean the educated, professional working class?
There would be a lot more of those if credit for student loans wasn't as plentiful so the cost of education would be much lower, but in a climate where getting a well-paying job for your degree would be priority number one. How do you cap runaway credit? We could start by not printing so much goddamn currency, which a $15/h wage would almost certainly accomplish the opposite.
>>70560903
>>70561052
You can cooperate with others without being a collectivist buffoon.
>>70558786
It already happened to NY and CA. After Trump is denied the nomination and Hillary is elected, the whole country will be higher, though not $15
No. Less then 1% of Americans are on minimum wage. When it is raised, good people lose jobs and hours are cut, like was seen in Australia, where since the min. wage was established there are 96,000 jobs lost for every 1% increase in the minimum wage
>http://tomwoods.com/blog/that-australian-minimum-wage-2/
We should not sacrifice employment oppertunities and increases financial burdens on private businesses because useless niggers and single moms can't climb up the career ladder, tax payers shouldn't have to hold their hands. Only Millennial BernieCucks with no understanding of economics would say otherwise.
>>70561271
>muh economics is everything
If we kicked the illegals out we could actually take care of our own poor people.
>>70558786
>>70561441
As you can tell, people in this thread don't care about their own people. That is why they won't hike the wage its /pol/s way of saying fuck white people
Fuck raising the min wage. I work for min wage part time while I'm in college and plan on getting a higher wage by working hard and earning raises and promotions.
>>70561441
You're saying that as if I don't agree with you, but I do. We should be very strict on immigration and enforce the law. But we should also not raise the minimum wage. It's not black and white.
Also economics is nearly everything, the longevity of a nation is comprised of the health and vitality of it's economy. It has to be flexible and capital has to flow freely. In that vein, we shouldn't be using tax payer money to give Jamal more money while prices rise and the purchasing power of the dollar is reduced almost yearly.
>>70558786
what the fuck is it supposed to change that its more women??
>>70561618
They're so retarded. It's like they don't know every successful political party in the last 200 years has pandered to the bottom of society.
The people on the bottom are who move the revolution. We have to embrace and guide them. Not hold them in contempt
This is hey trump is doing so well
>>70561618
They're so retarded. It's like they don't know every successful political party in the last 200 years has pandered to the bottom of society.
The people on the bottom are who move the revolution. We have to embrace and guide them. Not hold them in contempt
This is why trump is doing so well
>>70561618
Wrong, you clearly didn't read anything I wrote. I want to help people, so I don't want to reduce the amount of jobs available nationally so less then 1% of the American population, mostly minorities and single mothers, can be propped up by taxpayers by artificially raising their wage. It's a childish concept. When I was a teenager and didn't understand economics sure I thought the government could just raise away without any repercussions, why shouldn't they right? But then I wizened up and read a fucking book or two.
>>70561602
people are getting drowned by money?
>>70558786
>white middle age lady who looks like a mom
That's some good propaganda
I just cannot even fathom how bad of a fuckup you have to be at life to be 35 years old and still earn literally the lowest wage legally allowed by law
>>70561906
>>70561943
>double posts on 4chan
>calls other people retarded
>>70562029
yes, people are getting drowned by money
>>70562029
No, the jobs get destroyed because it's cheaper to get immigrants/robots to do them
>>70558786
I don't get this info cartoon.
How does this show that minimum wage needs to be raised?
So families that have shit aspirations and careers can afford luxuries that people who don't can?
Let me guess, it's a human right.
>>70562098
It's hilarious because I don't even know a fast food business around me that pays minimum wage
In fact I don't think I've ever seen a minimum wage job posting before
>>70559795
Same
Some parents here whore out their daughters to have more children so that they can get a bigger check.
>>70559589
Stop saying full time. It doesn't exist in McDonalds unless you are a manager. Most of the time they get paid $11.
>>70558856
We should have none.
>>70561943
>Bottom of society
Like Sanders wanting to raise the minimum wage so that minorities and women can make more money, right? Now that's pandering to the bottom of the barrel. Socialist limpdicks in this country certainly find common ground with your average coal burning bimbo and the run of the mill Harlem pavement ape, both of which want the government and society to finance their safety nets and artificial wage hikes, funny how that works.
>>70558786
> minimum wage
Wut
I thought you were liberal
>>70558786
No, we should raise inflation with a huge currency reform. The monetary system is broken. Higher wages won't do shit.
>>70562271
RARE
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Thank you, last flag needed to complete Europe in my collection.
High minimum wage makes sense if you're a country mostly based on imports
If your country is producing things on their own and thrives on export, it'd fuck you in the ass.
That's the gist of it anyways, there's more to it but the US would really fuck itself over
>be in school for Computer Science
>specialize in AI
I'm ready to replace jobs with robots. Huehuhuehue
>>70558914
>however, no matter what we do, business are going to get rid of people any way they can. they'll use the "government raising min wage" as an excuse like they always do. they are replacing people with machines no matter what.
>My operation costs rise out of the fucking blue
>I'm suddenly lossing money
>Either I lay some people off of I go bankrupt putting everyone on the street, including my most valuable employees that directly impact the profits that keep this ship going
You're really fucking retarded.
>>70558786
>Who's helped by raising the minimum wage?
Whoever extracts some political dividends from it. It does nothing for workers.
>>70558786
If raising mininum wage works so well, why don't we just make minimum wage 2 billion dollars an hour?
>>70560292
then whos gonna flip your burgers?
>>70562886
Robots, and they do a better job at it too.
>>70559256
The problem with that is the market has to operate with mortality which it does not.
No
Minimum wage is for teenagers. Aspire for higher pay or stay at the bottom
Money should be spent on developing and educating the work force through employment opportunities like apprenticeships and increased grants/scholarships in fields that are in demand.
I'd rather make the last year of uni/college free for students because they earned it
>>70560054
Holy shit you got paid to do it?
I could only ever volunteer.
>>70562627
Because that's moving goalposts and literally retarded, anon-kun.
>>70558786
>tfw your trying to get into GM form that 17 per hour and plebs want ever fuckup to get 15 an hour
Seriously, I have a50/50 chance of getting my order made correctly at places like tacobell.
>>70560301
hahaha yes!
Completely irrelavant. Robots will take over the same jobs that people get paid minimum wage for.
>>70558786
your image is bullshit according to the federal bureau of labor statistics
http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf
you're probably too stupid to correctly interpret the data in these tables though
If we have millions of bean-slurping niggers flooding over the fucking border to work for LESS THAN minimum wage, then what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe if millions and millions and millions of bean-slurping niggers weren't here working for LESS THAN minimum wage, then companies would have to raise wages in order to get people to work their shitty jobs. But instead we have millions of breeding and fucking bean-slurping niggers working for illegally low wages.
Goddamn obvious as a brand new gas chamber.
>>70558786
That operates on the faulty assumption that raising minimum wage will help all people currently on minimum wage.
>inb4 human labor violates the law of demand
eat shit commies
>>70558786
No. We need less vermin invading and more niggers getting abortions.
Why the fuck would anybody have kids while on a minimum wage
>>70558914
Why would they need an excuse? Businesses have been automating everything possible at an enormous rate. They have no obligation to employ people.
You're assuming, though, that automation implies less jobs, when in an economy without business licensing and payroll/business income taxes, there'd be an abundance of people attempting to start new companies.
Realistically, what will happen on a societal level as more and more jobs become automated? Will we get rid of the need for money? Will we create a basic income safety net? What will people do when they are no longer needed and they do not have the mental capacity to pursue jobs in industries like science and engineering?
>>70564689
If they can't make it past the very lowest skilled jobs what makes you think they'd be any good at family planning?
>>70562627
>>70562627
>>70562627
Because Zimbabwe
>oh shit even with education being the most available its ever been these people still didn't make something of themselves
>better just make it the law that they get paid more
Principle aside does no one realize that minimum wage is the standard for all jobs so its not like fast food companies are just paying the morons that work there more.
>nigger at mcdonalds gets paid $7.25
>my job as an engineer is 5 times harder and more valuable
>nigger at mcdonald's gets paid $15 an hour for literally nothing
>the value of my job has now gone up
Isn't it weird that democratic policies keep not working and their answer is always another government regulation
No, it should be abolished.
>>70559795
Seeing as its almost impossible to get a fulltime job thats minimum wage. Thats what what happening down unda
>>70560188
found the neet
>>70561969
underrated
Yes. Hopefully raising the minimum wage will finally push McDonald's into firing all the cashiers and replacing them with robots so my order doesn't get done wrong again.
>>70560301
>punish poor niggers for having kids
>make it easier for white folks to have kids
Why aren't we doing this?
>>70558786
If you are over the age of 21 and still making Minimum Wage, you should be gassed for the sake of our species.
>>70559841
This actually is what should happen. Work less hours and get paid more.
Humans shouldn't have to work nearly as many hours as they do now.
>>70565303
But the thing is, why would the value of your job go up just because the minimum wage was raised? I worked at a supermarket when New Jersey raised it's minimum wage from $7.25 to $8.25 and I was making like $8.60/hr and my wage stagnated, it didn't increase.
>>70563320
What state do you live in? In commiefornia there are only two levels, EMT and paramedic. EMTs get paid min wage which kind of sucks but the reason is 90% of EMTs only stay with the job for 6 months, so paying them more isn't worth it. It's seen as a stepping stone to othe professions
>>70566120
So 88% of America
>>70566120
Capitalists are truly the most foul creatures.
>>70566226
>person makes $7.25 and works 40 hours/week
>minimum wage doubles
>person's employer has to compensate for the doubling of production costs, so everyone's hours get cut in half
>$7.25x40=$290
>$15x20=$300
That's assuming it's exact, and it most likely won't be. Raising the minimum wage that high will do absolutely nothing good
>>70562029
MFW COSTCO ID
>>70566498
88% of America is not making minimum wage.
It's more like 3%
Do people understand that raising the minimum wage will also raise the price of goods?
>>70566226
Yep. It's really stupid how we have so many jobs related to producing tons of goods and services that are garbage, that no one really needs. Which in turn raises the average working hours for everyone.
>>70565303
>Isn't it weird that democratic policies keep not working and their answer is always another government regulation
This. They do the same thing with GUn control.
>>70566228
Thats because you work a shit job for a shitty employer near minimum wage. People with skills and qualifications do jobs that require skill and responsibility, they are harder than your average minimum wage McJob. If minimum wage gets close to what I'm making for skilled labor and/or decision making/responsibility, I'll quit and go work at taco bell unless my employer payes me more.
>>70564580
Abort THIS THIS
>>70566684
Smart people do
>>70558786
why do we need to subsidize their lives?
not our faults theyre inferior
>>70559182
Price controls?!?
I'm laughing my ass off here. The soviet union had 125,000+ goods to control the price of. They couldn't do it very well.
How many products are sold in the US? Do you think we have the infrastructure in place to control the price of every single good on the shelves of a grocery store? Or a hardware store? Or specialty stores? Or restaurants?
You sir, are a fucking retard of the lowest caliber.
>>70566120
This.
I'm 18 in Highschool and I make higher than minimum wage rip.
>>70563123
Replace "market" with "government" and you'd be echoing the sentiment of most of the voters this election
>>70566836
>allowing companies to price gouge is a good thing
>allowing companies to pay slave wages is a good thing
>allowing the cost of living to skyrocket for no reason
Shut up Jew. Your lies have no power here
>>70558786
I'll just say that if you are a loser, raising wage to 15 bucks will just make every person who already worked for 15 bucks your competition, and you'll once again be jobless.
>be me
>work at McDonalds for 15$/hr
>hello sir what would you like to order
>":can i get a big mac and a sody pop please?"
>sure thing that will be 34.99$
i sure am glad bernard raised the minimum wage
>>70558914
which is why we need a universal basic income in the next 10-20 years or so
>>70567108
>implying raising the minimum wage does any of these things.
Pick up an economics textbook.
>>70567108
Ah. Typical leftist.
>"YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME!? YOU WANT BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN!"
>>70567363
If your boss is paying you in dollarsigns, you got shafted my friend.
>>70567363
But Americans don't actually believe this?
it means nothing unless you remove the third worlders who will underbid
McDOnalds manager here
My location hires full time open availability at 10.50
Given that, we did raise prices, but the highest amount is no more tahn 20 cents
>>70567562
Franchise or corporate?
>>70567496
Cuckolds don't, they dont bother to think what more money on the streets would do to the economy
>>70567514
What a fucking racist
>>70567771
Franchise.
>>70558786
We should allow businesses to incentivize paying a living wage rather than making them take shortcuts to save on worker's expenses.
>>70558856
Get rid of illegals first and EXTREMELY limit immigration.
We should keep the minimum wage where it is and increase the value of the dollar.
Fuck raising minimum wage
Disallow state wide energy monopolies so people can afford their utilities
Lower property tax so landowners and homeowners can lower the price to rent
>>70567785
I'm sure it won't be that bad though.
Although to be honest if I was a low wage worker I'd rather work long but have the security knowing my wage is competitive.
it worked in germoney
i dont know why americans have a hardon for keeping a portion of their working population in poverty, but whatever floats your boat
>>70567369
this, I want to be neet without the stigma
>>70558842
oooh.... we got some oxford style debate from the right!
go on. that's dissertation material, fuckface.
>>70562237
This would work if monopolies were cracked down on; currently all the conglomerates would get together and agree on a low low wage
I think we need training programs for jobs that deserve to be paid better.
>>70569446
Monopolies exist due to government sanctioning them. Every bit of "regulation" the government implements hurts the little and medium sized guy that it can ruin them, while the large corporations can either whether it just fine, as they can now buy out medium and small sized businesses and reduce competition, or move elsewhere and have the rest of the suckers stay and get regulated.
>>70567514
I can't believe I used to despise her.
Still pretty annoying though.
>>70558786
Why does a single mother who contributes very little to society and decided having a kid with no income deserve to get paid the same as me, who works in a technology field and has a 4 year degree (assuming this means raise to 15 an hour.
>>70570337
This
>Been working since I was 16
>First job was folding clothes at a JC Penney
>Then when the holidays were over I got in at Wal-Mart
>Worked there for two years before getting fired because they didn't appreciate me going to school
>Then got in at Best Buy for the holidays
>Did the best in our group and got the most sales but didn't get hired on because I didn't push enough black tie protection or whatever the fuck
>Worked at K-Mart for four years as an assistant manager until it got closed because nigs can't stop being nigs
>Finally got a big boy job and have spent the last four years in an office job
>Two of my friends have never worked a day in their lives and get spoiled by their parents
>"Yeah man they should raise the minimum wage to $15, people gotta eat man!"
>Try to explain to them that nobody should try to make a career out of shit jobs in the first place, part time jobs exist for a reason
>Explain to them how businesses work, and how people are going to get fired left and right for this, hours will be cut like mad, and small businesses will either crumple or die painfully
>Get laughed at for being "intolerant" and "possibly racist"
I give up trying to argue with these retards.
>>70569931
>Monopolies exist due to government sanctioning them.
This is the opposite of reality in the US. If anti-monopoly measures disappeared there would be a single digit number of enterprises within 20 years.
The natural destiny of all markets is to one single participant. The market you see now with small, medium and large enterprises is as artificial as an assault course or a race track.
>>70570337
Can you read? Lmao
You think raising minimum wage is the same thing as raising the minimum wage to what you make?
>>70559273
>>this is not a good thing
Yes it is, if we can make human work obsolete that's basically the dream come true.
>>70558786
No, we need to have a free society where the stupid people start dying off like they should have long ago. No more redistribution programs. No more subsidizing stupidity.
Pic related, your money.
>>70558786
>88% of minwage fags are adults. Half of them are single mothers working 32hours because they can't close their legs.
Thanks for the ammunition, loser.
>>70564057
Everyone says this all the time
>implying unions would allow it
"What's next?? My job!? His job!? All our jobs!?"
>>70570633
Except that's not true at all, considering how much of our politicians are bought by large corporations, and vice versa. Further compounded how the government will literally issue legal monopolies to companies and constantly interferes in practices that increase barriers of entry that only giant businesses can weather and exploit
>>70570492
Dummy, service jobs have replaced manufacturing. There was a time when you could get a well paying manufacturing job if you didn't have the mental capacity to be in a specialized field. You're assuming everyone has the same intellectual ability as yourself.
THE ONLY KINDS OF JOBS THESE PEOPLE CAN GET ARE SERVICE JOBS. NO AMOUNT OF BOOTSTRAP PULLING WILL CHANGE THIS FACT
Either we bring back industry, or we start paying the working poor a living wage. Pick something
>>70570682
I make 12 dollars an hour as a pc technician at a hospital. you think they're going to raise my wage to be proportional if min wage is 15 dollars an hour? No, I'll be then making minimum wage.
Do you think even if they made it only 10 dollars an hour they'd raise my wage? I wouldn't get a raise at all. Then I would be worth two dollars more than a burger flipper high school drop out who pops out "troubled youth" every few years.
>>70562627
Because it could be 3 billion, what you don't believe in the humans and their rights?
>>70558786
Econ 101, No.
I feel confident saying that while admitting I don't know shit about anything.
Yes, but waiters and waitresses should expect 5-10 percent tips instead of 20 percent.
>>70571159
Top kek. I made more money than that changing oil at the age of 18. Sound like you should have picked a better profession
it minimun wage would make any sense then why not make it x10
Because it's nonsense, it's just a roof to productivity that prohibits freedom to make fair labour deals on your own sanity and will
>>70571250
Tipping should be optional, not pretty much mandatory unless you never come back. It's just businesses cheating customers out of more cash and cheating their staff out of pay.
>>70570492
>Did the best in our group and got the most sales but didn't get hired on because I didn't push enough black tie protection or whatever the fuck
>tfw your boss cuts your hours because you don't harass customers and breathe down their necks pushing these scummy credit programs and offers the entire time they're in the store, using any underhanded means necessary to deceive them into enrolling
Businesses today seem to only be concerned with squeezing customers dry from the moment they enter the store, negative feelings and long term bad impressions be damned. There is no focus on making the customer comfortable so they feel inclined to come shop there again.
>>70559273
Take away breeding rights for unemployed people/people on welfare
>>70558786
There should not be a minimum wage.
>people ITT want to help poor, genetically inferior people raise families by giving them higher wages
If anything we need a income threshold below which people are not allowed to procreate.
>>70571522
Along with voting rights as well
>We need to remove unions and the minimum wage so hiring people is more competitive then hiring machines.
Vs.
>We need to empower unions and raise the minimum wage so employees can actually make a living no matter what job they have.
These are the only ways to fix the system, If anyone suggests otherwise they are a jewish commime niggers who "sell" you dude lamo dreams for your shekels..
>>70560301
Raising a family is different from single-parenthood.
>>70558786
>yeah! let's hurt the unskilled workers!
>>70571992
Unskilled workers won't be needed soon enough thanks to robots. It's best if they just die off.
Get rid of the illegals and it'll happen on its own. Stop importing 3rd world shit into your 1st world countries. Trust me, it doesn't work.
>>70558786
Minimum wage, rent control, and all other price controls should be abolished float out. They didn't work in the past and they don't work now. If you want to help the poor do so directly with zero or negative income tax on those who earn poverty wages.
Of course this will never happen as economic populism, not good economics are at the forefront of every party.
>>70571522
I read a science fiction short story where humans had advanced so much that no one had to work, and they prohibited having children because otherwise the population would go out of control. Some women couldn't resist their instinct to have kids so they would run away from the ez life high tech society, to live outside the city in abandoned houses like savages, where they raised kids. The protagonist's job was to go looking for illegal babies and shoot them.
Anyway, I agree, taking away breeding rights might work well. I hope it happens.
>>70559698
The reverse of this is then fuck you, we likewise owe you nothing and should take what we want and then decide whether or no to blow you away. In theory, your little social experiment would produce your own demise.
>>70559241
Hard, it's really fucking hard amigo
>>70571114
>You're assuming everyone has the same intellectual ability as yourself.
And why should we lower the standards for others?
THe free market will fix it
>>70572938
Sounds interesting. What was the story called?
>become commercial electrician
>don't care, hope min. Wage goes to 3.24hr
>>70558786
yes, i just disagree with most of /pol/ on this. I also think we should cap public school tuition in three tiers.
Should have never even had a minimum wage in the first place, but the way things are right now are okay. It's too late to go back to having no minimum wage and as we steadily increase it alongside inflation it's ok, but not the best.
Jacking up the minimum wage overnight is extremely fucking retarded though. Anyone who disagrees should be killed.
>>70573723
Tried searching for it, couldn't find the name.
>>70558786
no its fucking pointless inflation would kick in and nothing would change
>>70558786
The minimum wage is almost like a PHIL 101 thought experiment to show a fallacy in action.
But instead, it's common policy in the real world.
There is no better example of how there is no thought involved in politics.
>>70558786
the minimum wage literally doesn't matter. this is not an opinion. this is a fact. your feels do not matter.
the minimum wage should be $0. costs of goods would adjust to the new floor and illegals wouldn't be put at a massive advantage compared to citizens.
>>70558786
Minimum wage should be $0.00 Market forces will determine your value.
>>70558786
no. we need to
-bring back manufacturing jobs from overseas,
-lower taxes on businesses,
-kick out any foreign worker making less that ~$45000
-reduce and limit welfare benefits
>>70558786
Every Western country should have:
>no minimum wage
>flat tax which is very difficult to abuse
>generous universal basic income
>nothing else
It's mathematically perfect. Nobody could ever complain again.
>>70558842
fpbp
>>70559241
>Sun)15:22:33 No.70559241ā¶>>70573088
>>>70558914
maybe you are just nit picky cause your dad ignored you as a child
>>70576809
Oh and I forgot to mention
>masssively restrictive mmigration policy
I believe it should be zero. If a company pays its employees 1$/hr and their competitor pays 7.50$/hr nobody will work for the first company and the business will fail. That's the great thing about free market capitalism. competition.
>>70558786
Pay some fucking cashier the same money I make for busting my ass? Fuck no.
>>70567369
no, the lazy and useless should starve
>>70577861
>all companies pay the absolute minimum necessary for survival
What now?
>>70578416
No, they don't. All the fast food places by me pay 10.25 to start. If you take minimum wage you are a retard with absolutely no skill.
>>70577861
WOW THAT WOULD TOTALLY WORK IF MAYBE NOT ALL COMPANIES WERE UNDER THE SAME FUCKING JEW.
Free market is a meme.
Fixing prices with the "Competition" is pretty much bullshit
>>70578649
Socialism is a meme. Competition is the driving force of capitalism and innovation.
Take away competition, and you get worse everything from products to doctors.
>>70559241
Just buy your own burgers you selfish fat prick.
>>70559925
>Good Goy! Yes, working is for cucks...
>>70558786
We either get rid of it completely so our workers can legally compete with chinese slaves and get paid 10 cents an hour.
OR
we raise it, and tell our poor fags to fuck themselves and move forward with increased technology incentives due to expensive labor.
>>70563123
>morality
>business
Then you don't work there or don't buy there. Problem solved
>>70579180
Raising the minimum wage also raises unemployment which raises welfare recipients reliant on the government which means raising taxes to pay for them, which means the government gets stronger and the average tax payer gets weaker.
I think we should fix the economic problems underpinning the fact that 88% of minimum wage earners are over 20.
>>70578851
The problem is that not a single fucking system will work as long as the Human factor is considered.
The human will always look for a way to benefit himself even if it is at the expense of others.
TodayĀ“s competition is pretty much jackshit because of global corporations keeping everything under their dick.
Only "Real" Competition would be a war.
If you lose you get bombed the fuck out.
Just look at what happened between ww1 and ww2.
From wood and cloth airplanes where they fucked each others with handguns from some meters off the ground to jet-powered monsters that went as high as the human body itself could and then the Nuclear weaponry.
Then the Aerospacial race kicks in and we are sending each other to space in a dick-measuring contest.
TodayĀ“s corporate world is just driving us to the ground for the 1% wealth.
We need to straighten the business. Socialism will just Fuck shit up faster.
My solution
get rid of the niggers
Bring back Super-nationalism
cut relationships with the big banks,israel and the reserve.
Maybe another conventional war, but it could go to worse.
>>70559241
Would love to see how you do my job and try to make 20 orders at once in less than 3 minutes.
>>70579573
I agree with everything you say, except that companies are somehow evil for selling a product that a lot of people are willing to buy.
Yeah Apple is wealthy because lots of people buy their products. Is that wrong?
>>70579408
increased technology would be worth it honestly.
id say cut welfare but that wont be easy.
>>70558786
Wont help. Before we do anything we have to stem the tide of globalization.
>>70579784
>Yeah Apple is wealthy because lots of people buy their products. Is that wrong?
they use slave labor for mining and manufacturing.
it's not fair to our own workers who can't sell themselves for 10 cents an hour, we either get rid of the minimum wage or tell apple to fuck off.
>>70566642
You are insanely delusional, friend.
If you only tried hard enough to earn minimum wage, you deserve it.
>>70579915
But because they use slave labor that means we get the product for cheap. That's called competition.
You think Americans want to work in sweat shops? Nope. Americans prefer call centers, IT, and other office jobs.
>>70579784
Nah, corporations CAN be good.
However they prefer to rake in more dosh for the Execs rathen than ethical practices.
Why have ethical cocoa farms when we can just buy bargain cocoa from the Chocolate islands?
Why pay rightfully for water access when we can just suck up billions of liters from a dry state for 5 bucks a year.
Why Have ethical and well-paid factories in our own ground when we can just hire some chink-slaves who will do it for pennies, lol just put nets so they dont kill themselves so easily training them is a hassle you know.
Why make our cars/Electronics in our country with American-workers , well paid and with proper work conditions when we can just have our factory in mexico paying them 1/10th (i am not shitting you) of what we would pay an American worker.
>>70580050
>Cheap
Top kek,
>>70580050
You're going to run out of money if you continue that.
Our bottom workers wont be able to work at all because the minimum wage prevents themselves from selling themselves for less.
So now they're going to ask for welfare instead.
>>70580336
>Even minimum wage scrubs at McDonalds have iphones
Yep. Cheap.
>>70580360
Welfare is the cause not the effect.
How do minimum wage workers have "expensive" iphones then?
>>70580336
>It's America's fault people in the 3rd world will work for less.
Yeah I'm sure those sweatshop workers have plenty of other opportunities. NOT.
>>70559241
why would you put your fries in the burger?
fucking amerifat.
>>70559589
Actually a solid amount of people who I worked with at papa johns were of sound mind and probably could have gone to other jobs. It's just some people enjoy the lack of responsibility, others were that for various other reasons. Now there were a few who I wouldn't trust with screwing in a light bulb, but that seems to be the case in any work environment.
>>70560150
>he doesn't realize that inflation is a good thing
You do realize that deflation was a staple of the great depression right?
It's very simple economically, if money goes up in value by a huge margin then people hoard it more tightly which means less investment, less spending, less economic growth in general. The economy isn't money, it's the goods and services that money is used to buy and the quality of life that comes with that.
Sure, over inflation is a terrible thing, but there is a threshold where it becomes a problem, otherwise inflation is a natural and important part of an economy. Deflation at any rate is harmful to the economy.
>>70570337
Used to work in biotech, molecular bio degeee, designing chemotherapy drugs. Starting is 18/hr with 4 year degree and loans. The fuck if some beaner bitch flipping chalupas, shitting out liw iq crotch rockets, deserves 15 bucks an hour.
>>70580445
>How do minimum wage workers have "expensive" iphones then?
welfare.
they have bad money management.
they spend all their money on new phones and shit then they run out so they ask for free food so they dont starve.
>>70580050
>But because they use slave labor that means we get the product for cheap. That's called competition.
That's not how outsourcing works.
Outsourcing products doesn't just count for the labor and materials, it counts for the shipping and any other fees they have to pay for using operations in that country.
The main reason companies pay this money is mainly because producing the product domestically is too costly to obtain a net gain in profit.
This includes minimum wage, taxes, regulations, legal fees, and I may be forgetting some, but it's really fucking costly to make shit here and it's not only the wages that are doing it.
>You think Americans want to work in sweat shops? Nope. Americans prefer call centers, IT, and other office jobs.
Well, we'll never know since it's literally illegal to ask to be payed anything under $7.50
>>70580831
>and it's not only the wages that are doing it.
But it mostly is.
>Well, we'll never know since it's literally illegal to ask to be payed anything under $7.50
Well we actually DO know, because those types of jobs haven't existed in America for, what, 60 years?
>>70580776
>welfare they have bad money management
100% agreed which is why I said welfare is the cause not the effect.
Take away welfare and companies have to pay a living wage otherwise they won't have employees.
>>70560042
There are more people getting degrees than ever, and they're getting fucked by outrageous tuition costs and interest rates on their loans.
>>70581157
They're also getting fucked by a poor product. If you're not in STEM you're not learning a marketable skill.
>>70558786
The real problem is that we did away with manufacturing so there goes more opportunities people could have had and there would be more competition for lower end labor. But now grown adults are competing with young high school kids for basic fast food/walmart jobs.
Why did manufacturing leave? Over regulation and high min wages that add to the cost of hiring each employee. So they close down their American factory and open up one in Asia or Latin America. Now jobs are more scarce than ever for the unskilled. Which lead to more crime and welfare recipients.
>>70580445
There is this thing called credit where if you are a stupid piece of shit you can get some instant money while at the same time submitting to a eternal life of being a slave to the jews.
>>70580535
Nah, Sweatshop countries are fucked from the start, In china it doesnt matter if you kill yourself in the sweatshop, there are millions willing to take your place.
The same happens here in beanerland.
And i kinda dont know a solution other than butchering the suitsĀ“ salaries to make Homecountry production possible.
>>70581157
And a degree in Gender studies,women studies/history,Literature,english,etc is as useful as the paper it is printed on.
I havent heard of a good surgeon having problems getting a job or a good welder being unemployed.
>>70581016
>otherwise they won't have employees
I don't think you really get the power dynamics of the situation. There are alot more people than there are jobs nowadays. Sure, some company may give better wages, but it's not like mcdonalds has to compete with them on wages because there will always be more and more people who need to earn money. Mcdonalds employees don't have a union either, so they can't threaten to strike or apply pressure in any way.
>>70558786
http://redpanels.com/75/
>>70580943
Do you seriously believe that buying materials from Malaysia, Shipping it to China, having it assembled for 4 cents a unit, and sending it across the Pacific ocean even comes close to an $8 an hour wage with higher production rates?
>Well we actually DO know, because those types of jobs haven't existed in America for, what, 60 years?
Yea, umm, maybe, I don't know, because it's fucking illegal?
Listen, I'm all for being globally competitive, but there's way more to the outsourcing argument than comparing the wages of a Chinese sweat shop and an American citizen.
>>70581565
If you take away welfare, people will only be able to work jobs that pay a living wage otherwise they will die. This changes the power dynamic.
>>70581837
First of all, people who actually produce things in America make WAY more than minimum wage.
I'm really into fashion for instance. A leather jacket made in America will have high quality and high cost. A leather jacket made in China will have low quality and medium cost.
The people putting these leather jackets together in America don't make minimum wage. They don't make $10/hr, they probably make between 12 and $20 an hour.
Compare that to 4 cents an hour or whatever in China.
That's a huge cost difference. 99.9% of the cost is from labor, not shipping, retail or anything else.
>>70580445
>>How do minimum wage workers have "expensive" iphones then?
they don't
they have $50 android phones that they pay $30 a month for.
>>70582183
Not who you're responding to and I agree with most of the things you said. But the problem is that American leather jacket company won't exist or it will be super super small because they can't compete. Most people would rather get low quality/medium cost jacket over a high quality/high cost jacket.
