Just reminding you that workers created your products, not the Corporation owners.
t. Commie
>>70511659
And the corporation owners paid them to do it.
>>70511692
>>70511659
t. capitalist
>>70511659
And who paid for the raw materials, the factory, the equipment, and the salaries of those workers?
It would seriously be easier to teach a downs syndrome kid advanced calculus than a communist basic economics.
>>70511990
The workers of those occupations. Workers bring the wealth not the armchair overseers
>>70511659
Fuck off volcanonigger.
Is it dumb to hate communism but love the USSR?
So much shilling for capitalism.
>>70512421
Yes, stalinboos like you are complete cancer.
>>70512102
The wealth wouldn't be made without those armchair overseers.
It's why they're overseers.
>>70512462
That's because there are actual idiots shilling for communism
>>70512462
/leftypol/ still hasn't figured out how to make memes that aren't knockoffs of ours or funny I see.
>>70512462
Communism is a spook, my property.
Commies were the original gibmedats before the dindus. FACT.
>>70513184
>muh lazy blackies
Well spooked my friend
Implying the average person isn't dumb as shit and is capable of inventing anything.
>>70513416
>implying owners of corporations invent anything
Workers invent things for corporate owners, while inventors mostly get nothing.
Just reminding you that it is literally nothing wrong killing the rich.
>>70513612
Iceland STFU and go back to your shame corner.
We owned you once and we will do it again.
>>70513406
>>70512698
>>70511659
>>70511659
>>70513000
Failing to realize that Jews created communism. You fucking moron. That picture needs another layer.
>>70514171
/thread
>>70511659
>>70513943
Friendly reminder that without ebul gabitulizum, you wouldn't have your chinese cartoons to fap to.
>>70513406
You're not a true Stirnerite, don't use that pic, my property.
As I said, Communism is indeed, a spook.
>>70513943
Yes there is nothing wrong but what if I was the rich guy getting killed?
I'd have to put you down, my property.
>>70514310
A few more perhaps.
Pic related. Literally communism.
>>70513943
t. poor sand nigger
>>70513943
Yeah, weeabo degenerates will do a fine job taking their place. I can't take your autism seriously when you hold anime in such high esteem that you try to project your agenda onto it.
>>70514564
t. wagecuck
>>70514729
>>70514870
>all of those Idpol bullshit
>>70514729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-SUz3163U
>>70515043
Your so cute. Just keep spouting your propaganda. You are such a useful idiot you don't need anyone to force you into it.
>>70511659
>products
degenerate
>>70514870
>>70515043
Both of these ideas are spooks.
Commies are so fucking dumb.
According to your logic any "worker" could make money without having a job. Money would just appear in his pockets.
>>70512421
Not really, Stalin's USSR at least implied a good few aspects of pre-enlightenment, pre-urban living.
Consider how commie blocks are designed so that you have balconies overlooking the communal courtyard and playground, this essentially emulates village parenting. A much healthier communitarian practice than anything that has been practiced in the west lately wherein it is all perpetually increasing atomization and latchkey kids.
>>70515043
Is that Karl "never had a job in my life, freeloading all day" Marx telling people he fought for something?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>70515499
What? Stalin was shit and the village mentality is the quintessence of mediocrity.
>>70515572
Friedrich Engels supported him for making critique of Capitalism and got financially support to do it, sound like a job for me.
>>70515922
He was payed to inspire a generations of complete degenerates and used to propagate notions of socialism, which is cancer.
Hitler was way better in every way.
>>70515572
You do realize that communism was made up by Jews right?
>>70516115
That is a really great deflection from he fact that Marx was a degenerate free loader with a retarded philosophy.
>Marx was shit? B-but these people were bad!
>>70516293
This right from a Jew. Convenient Merchant of Wisdom.
Unless you are saying that so we keep believing because it was all part of your plan that a fringe minority blamed you fro communism...
I've gone crosseyed.
>>70516322
>Marx was a degenerate free loader with a retarded philosophy.
And yet with every year there are more, and more supporters of his philosophy.
Even if your statement was true it wouldn't matter at all, the masses will believe what we tell them, so stay in line goyim and face the music, you lost.
>>70516115
>implying philosophers dont work
Many of the best academics in history had no 'stable' job or income source, doesn't mean that their work doesn't mean anything.
where is iceland? never knew or bother to look at map. is it nordic country?
>>70511659
Oh mook mr. "I live in an isolated island with far away from everyone and I have almost no minorites besides white irishman".
>>70516754
This desu^, you haven't lived with niggers yet so you think communism is a-okay.
Fucking kids believing in spooks nowadays.
>people hate rich ceos
>continue working for them
>>70512102
>armchair overseers
Theres a bit more to running a business than sitting in your chair twirling your mustache as you explore the proletariat.
Small business owners and CEOs generally work far more hours than their employees. They have to negotiate contracts with clients to sell goods and buy raw materials, they have to make sure taxes and wages get paid, while keeping the books balanced. They have to be on call at all times if something happens.
And small business owners frequently work side by side with their employees as well.
Not all capitalists are megacorporations.
>>70516115
Oh, Jeez, these people were really bad, too, so Marx isn't so bad in comparison!
Except that he was. Here's a general rule: If you're gonna write a book about how to lose weight, you better not be fat.
And that's what Marx was. He denied his own son, he never paid his maid a dime, and he took out loans that he had no intention of paying back to the point where he was evicted from his apartment and had all his stuff sold. He perpetually lived off the labor of others.
He was the 600lb fat man writing a weight loss book. Anyone who believes the man is anything more than human waste doesn't have an opinion on economics worth hearing.
He was one hell of a poet, though.
>>70511659
Reminder that it's the CEOs, managers, etc who optimize the work, buy all the machinetools, resources, etc, and workers are pretty much just the tools who are getting replaced by robots with the time going forward.
Socialism and especially communism doesn't work.
>>70513612
Bill Gates. Zuckerberg. Edison. All inventors who capitalised on their inventions.
>>70515043
Good luck even finding a proletariat in the modern western world.
>>70516115
Adolf Hitler: a soldier, a man who was for a while a homeless painter, who rose up through the ranks through sheer merit.
Mussolini: a poor journalist, soldier and activist who rose through the ranks through sheer merit.
If we're going to judge philosophy by the character of who developed them, clearly Nazism and Fascism are superior.
>>70517033
>edison
Edison was a fucking hack who abused the shit out of IP law to make money off other people's work.
>>70516996
>in order to talk about alternatives to capitalism you must first become a successful capitalist
Not even a commie but you don't see the flaw in your logic here?
>>70517152
Sure. But he did have some inventions of his own.
And you have to ask yourself: would the people who he employed and whose ideas he stole, have turned a profit from their inventions without him? This was the era of the patent. Thousands of people handed in patents and went bankrupt regardless every day in that period.
>>70517213
You would understand what it means to be a capitalist, what is actually demanded of you, what the workload is. In other words, you would actually understand the system from within.
Cant critique something you dont fully understand.
>>70511659
>workers created your products
Workers and robots.
Soon it will be only robots, no workers.
What then commie?
>>70517481
I think that actually strengthens the commie argument though.
I do not think people will be fine with the situation when workers are no longer needed a a few capitalists own the economy in the literal sense.
>>70511659
>the managers who handle the logistics dont do any work because handling billions of dollars is really simple but putting an iphone in a box is super hard work and definately wont be replaced by a robot next year
>>70511659
My wife chino is so cute
>>70517608
We'll just give you basic income and you can go argue about your annoying SJW nonsense.
And nothing prevents you from starting your own business, anon.
>>70511659
t. We can tell
sage
>>70516996
>>70517122
First and foremost, Marx was a philosopher and as such his works have and philosophic tune attached to them, to say that he was a economist would be plain wrong. I will assume you never read "Das Kapital" (read:"Kritik der politischen Ökonomie") in which he never states that capitalism is a total failure but is a much needed step in achieving communism, an utopian (read; non existent) societal form in which all men are equal in social, economic and cultural rights. All of that screams philosophy, not economics, something we as a society should move towards to not the increasing diversity in economic status. I advise you to read Max Webers; "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" as a prelude to the works of Marx.
>>70517213
That's not what I'm stating at all. I'm simply stating that if you are going to prescribe somebody a way of life, you had better be able to show a measure of success. The dude did nothing, yet made his living off the backs of workers, while giving NOTHING in return. He didn't go and set up his own commune (which others have attempted with varying success). He literally lied and manipulated everyone he could, whether he was a family member, a close friend (who almost ended the friendship when Marx asked him about giving him some money in a condolence letter), or an utter stranger. He also fought with union leaders, who had experience with what they were fighting for (whereas he had none; he still thought he knew better).
And when you take a loan from a baker, with no intention of paying it back, how in the fuck is that NOT taking advantage of the workers?
When you are making more than 4 times the amount of the average Russian worker per year, and STILL not living comfortably, so much so that at several points in time, Marx was the only one who could go outside because he had the only pair of pants in the family, that doesn't strike me as one who had any fucking clue about economics. Yet you gargle this faggot's utter bullshit, despite the fact that it HAS been tried, and it HAS failed every single time, simply because centralized planning doesn't work, and you can't have a communistic society without centralized planning.
He wasn't just bad at economics, though, he was a horrible human being all around. He is responsible for the death of his wife, his son, as well as both daughters, and, considering his bastard was never acknowledged by him, we can safely presume he had no great love for him, either.
There is no redeemable qualities about this man, and yet you worship him as though he is a god.
>>70517678
You will give me basic income? Lol. I'm very likely 10x as wealthy as you are, kek.
>>70517736
I have read Das Kapital, and Max Webber is my favourite sociologist (his praise of calvinism as considering profit as a moral good tugs at my protestant heart snares).
None of that has anything to do with the *character* of the man who developed the philosophy. Which is what the argument was about.
So stop shifting the goalposts.
>>70512567
Porky is such a terrible knockoff of the Happy Merchant too, because he isn't in a pose that looks like he's scheming.
>>70517814
Im a lawyer with his own business. Try again, Jan-Karel.
>>70512567
Unsurprising. In communism, there is very little innovation. This is why Russia was treating cancer with light therapy in the 1990's.
>>70517892
Exactly.
>>70518043
Who are you then, Frederick van der Valk? Willem-Alexander?
>>70517862
The character of the man means nothing if the goal he and he alone has achieved is inevitably doomed to fail, as was with national-socialism and fascism.
Communism has achieved its goal of control, at least in psychological sense and it is more popular today than ever before.
COME AT ME FASCIST CUNTS
>>70518141
>it is more popular today than ever before.
No, not really. It was at its most popular in the 60s and 70s, when every student in western university adhered to it, when the Warsaw Pact was at peak strength and when South America and large stretches of Africa were turning to communism or had militias attempting to install communism.
These days only some radicals on University support it. Hell, during the peak of communism most of Europe had communist parties, with seats and parliament and everything. These days? Not a single one. The most radical you will find is socialists.
>>70518101
You said you were a lawyer and yet clearly you have no understanding of people's net worth within you country. Kek.
>>70518141
Yes, I acknowledge that the goal of socialism is communism, and that the snowball started rolling in the 60s.
But that's not the point. The point is whether the goal is a good thing. Looking at the man and his life, looking at what happened to the people that followed him, looking at the COUNTRIES that have tried following the philosophy, it's very obvious that the goal of Communism is NOT a good thing. It is an abhorrent thing that stifles innovation, it stifles all forms of progress, it limits society, and it kills people. Of all the political beliefs one could hold, Communism is not only the worst of the lot, but it is also the most retarded.
>>70518347
Hell, the communists even won the Italian elections.
But the GLADIO Took care of that.
>>70511659
Just reminding you that investors provided the capital necessary to start that business and an owner took on the risk and put in the 80+ hours/week to make it successful. If workers don't like their compensation, they should find seek employment elsewhere, seek capital to open their own business, or start a business from scratch.
>>70512462
>>70512698
>>70513000
etc.
Oh, it's just a stupid shill thread with zero arguments. I should've read more before I responded.
>>70518284
Communes exist. Communist nation states? Sure they were interferred with. Communes also failed without any need for outside interference though.
Read up on Khibutzim and why they transitioned to capitalism after decades of Communism.
>>70517950
That´s why russia got to space first.
That´s why a Soviet engineer created mobile phones
>>70516582
AD POPULUM.
Cmmoies are the reall good goys. You ideology is made by them
So firstly, you forget how much of a useful idiot you are, and second, you make a logical fallacy.
Communism manifest.
>>70518284
That point is entirely wrong. Venezuela disproves the point you are trying to make. They are full-blown socialist, and their currency has hyper inflated to the point that it's ready to collapse. Restaurant menus have pieces of paper on them where the prices should be, because they have to change the prices on it so frequently (at LEAST once per week). You can't purchase a meal without a backpack full of notes. Nobody goes out at night, because guns are illegal, and only criminals have them.
But hey, it was nice so long as oil was expensive!
So there you go. Venezuela.
>>70518141
>Implying the soviets weren't just shitty objects for their Jewish masters to control
>Implying that image is less autistic than you.
>>70518347
The agenda of communism lives through socialism, as it is the first step in achieving communism.
Just to be clear, there was never a single communist country in this world, not in the true sense of the communism described in the Marxist philosophy (inb4 " communism has never been tried meme hurr durr") which is an UTOPIA, a non-existent societal form. All forms of socialism were achieved through dictatorship which was not the Marxist idea, but a perverted dream of a few, so called "communists"
Marx would be rolling in his grave if he saw what Lenin and Stalin did.
>>70518362
A lawyer is not an economist, but that aside.
I dont really understand what you are trying to say. Could you explain?
>>70518774
I think most socialist parties in Europe will disagree with your assertion that they want to turn the country communist. They actually do believe in the market to some extent or another.
>>70518671
>Allows free enterprise
>Full-blown socialists
Mate, I have lived in Venezuela under Chavez´s regime. It isn´t that bad.
Also, how has venezuela not been molested by other nations? The petrol sabotage, does that ring a bell?
![[Commie] Dagashi Kashi - 07 [999AA31E].mkv_snapshot_13.07_[2016.03.05_00.54.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Umqn0Xs.jpg "[Commie] Dagashi Kashi - 07 [999AA31E].mkv_snapshot_13.07_[2016.03.05_00.54.18].jpg")
stop putting memes in subs
>>70518774
Utopia is a word that originates from ancient greek:
It's made up by the words: ού + τόπος
It literally means "non achievable" "imaginable land"
>>70518874
>It isn't that bad.
You haven't been recently. Just go to youtube, and type in Venezuela. Click on ANYTHING you want to click on that's been made in, oh say, 2016.
Also, socialism isn't communism. Your quote was addressing socialism. I presumed you made that distinction intentionally, as Russia was pretty much able to do whatever the fuck they wanted, although the US contested its expansion into other countries.
>>70518871
I'm not necessarily talking about Europe, look at China, a "communist" country with a "capitalist" market, best of both worlds.
But we could argue about the living standard and the workers rights.
>>70511659
>have below average IQ
>Never amount to anything in your live
>Get a low wage job at a factor
>A person is literally assigned and paid to babysit you and tell you what to do
>"I-I created this"
>"G-Guys if we just have a revolution and kill the employers I will finally amount to something"
Literally degenerate tier.
Reminder that you are born to follow and serve.
>>70518874
Sorry, missed your last point
>Also, how has venezuela not been molested by other nations? The petrol sabotage, does that ring a bell?
When a nation elects to become part of the global market, then the nation gets both the good and the bad of that situation. Oil has gotten cheap. It's effected US businesses as well, causing the Bakken oil field to suspend activity for the moment. But nobody forced Venezuela into the global economy. They elected to, and they had precisely ONE card to play. Now that card is biting them in the ass. Hardly a sabotage, unless you happen to be a tin foiler.
>>70519145
Exactly what I said, what's the problem?
I merely stated, a few post above, that we as a society should stride towards it.
>>70519186
I was talking about socialism, the transition between capitalism and communism.
Also, tv and media in general just spit out shit about Venezuela that´s 90% made up, so I don´t even trust reports/news on that country anymore.
>>70519319
i was just adding on
>>70519186
Also goodbye
Capitalist scum
>>70518670
You still don't get it do you, it's all about the control, it doesn't matter where it comes from it only matters that we hold it.
>>70519319
The problem with that is "utopia" means different things to different people, and to strive towards one persons idea of a utopia could well trample another's.
For example, let's take a look at the middle east, with their hatred of all things Jewish. Do you think their idea of a utopia coincides with the Jewish idea of a utopia, or vice-versa?
>>70519371
Good for you. The very first result in youtube is 5 days old, independently run, and full of tin-foilers who think the entire world is coming to an end this October. But they are actually IN Venezuela.
>>70519211
China is an example of communism not working. The country has increased its GDP and living standards massively over the last 15 years, ever since it started to allow free market trading. The country isnt really communist, either. The leadership is more reminiscent of the Mandate of Heaven. They are aristocrats.
When Mao was in charge and there was still actual communism, millions were starved to death.
>>70519319
Why? I rather like owning things beyond what the state decides I need.
>>70519463
>Capitalist scum
With all the information in the world, if you still believe anyone who is not Communist is by default "Capitalist scum," then I choose to take that as a compliment. Thank FUCK I'm not you, Spaniard.
>>70518435
Didn't they win the election, but refuse to take the government because muh maximum programme?
>>70519642
>Why? I rather like owning things beyond what the state decides I need.
How dare you think for yourself, Colgate-flag!
Just kidding. Keep rocking.
>>70519518
>Do you think their idea of a utopia coincides with the Jewish idea of a utopia, or vice-versa?
This is the main problem, until we have a leveled playing ground we'll never now what a human (emphasis on "human") utopia really is. I agree with you point that different cultures have different views on what is best foorm them, but i believe that one day we'll be able to look above our differences and set them aside, maybe we need a common enemy, who knows maybe a race of human-hateing aliens ("Star Trek" society).
>>70519642
As is said "communism"/"capitalism"
It was lovely chatting with you gents, but work calls, I to have to please my corporate overlords, 'till next time!
