Reminder:
DO NOT take any anti-depressants.
>>70445534
This. If you're already thinking about that shit, DO NOT TAKE.
Unless you're some kinda faggot, in which case DO TAKE YOU FAGGOT.
I had to take them throughout childhood. What do?
They are objectively worse than a placebo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hUltqHaGTA
>>70445776
I only googled this because I'm cleaning the house. I found this box of pills that I do not recognize AT ALL. they's already partly used, and I don't even know if they're mine, but the box has my name on it.
I googled to see what they are, and then came to (pic in OP). to my knowledge, I have never EVER been on anti-depressants. I live on my own by the way, so it can't be someone else's (also my name's on it).
I'm pretty spooked.
>>70445776
>>70445534
It's because everyone has a different body chemistry so many drugs do the opposite of what is intended in people.
One day we'll know from your genes which drugs will be effective for you.
I'm not depressed,but i need zoloft for serotonin balance.
>>70445534
5mg of Lexpro + 200mg of Wellbutrin daily
That shit helps me be functional, seriously. I know /pol/ probably thinks depression is just some whiny faggot moaning because no gf, and there are certainly lots of people like that, but actual clinical depression caused by chemical imbalance can be debilitating.
I can't get erections anymore.
>Brothers wife takes Effexor
>Brother starts taking it
>They both slowly start ignoring their child
>Mother has to go over every day just to make sure the child diapers are changed
>Brothers wife is literally going insane painting pictures of faces she sees in her heads
>Pictures she paints resemble egyptian goddesses half faced with abstract faces
>Sister wife paints one with a frog face
>Brothers wife had a Kek vision and knows its the end of times
>She breaks down an ends up in the hospital for a week
>Doctor blames weed; they don't smoke weed
Wooh its a crazy world lads.
>>70446224
that's not a fix though, just masks the symptoms
>Children, adolescents, and young adults
>tfw I am none of these
Anti-dpressants are stupid though. I just take vyvanse (due to my ADHD) and been coping quite well. All the wasted years of not taking this stuff has been getting to me though. Been going to therapy every week. Hoping for the best.
>>70446463
are you 65 or older? :^)
Thank you for reminding me what a dumb bunch of cucks are on this board :-)
Don't you have some holocaust denying to get back to? :-P
>>70446567
>:-)
>:-P
Hi Schlomo, do you work for big pharma? :^)
>>70446224
>I know /pol/ probably thinks depression is just some whiny faggot moaning because no gf, and there are certainly lots of people like that, but actual clinical depression caused by chemical imbalance can be debilitating.
They probably think all mental disorders are fake. Bipolar, high anxiety, depression etc. Even though there are a lot of people that fake it for attention, there are others that really have it and actually do have it and maybe even try to not have attention drawn to it
10 Years on this shit, 4chan was the cure, not the drugs.
>>70446436
What's the fix then? For that matter, what's the problem?
For me, depression didn't manifest as just "really sad" like most people imagine, it was an extreme lack of energy, and I do mean extreme. I'm a PhD student in Physics at a top school, I've always worked hard to be where I am (worked 30 hours/week all through undergrad, teach extra classes in grad school while doing research, etc.), I'm not simply lazy. I truly believe that it's a chemical issue, and if a drug can correct that imbalance and allow me to recover functionality, what's the issue? What other "fix" is there?
Would you tell someone with eye glasses that they're merely "masking the symptoms"?
>>70446653
Hi foreigner are you in some depressing foreign country? ;-)
>>70446757
>What's the fix then? For that matter, what's the problem?
your life, you, your environment. improve them.
>>70445534
I love it when they argue "but they were already like this," so in other words their best defense is calling their drug utterly useless.
>>70445776
I took Celexa for three months. It didn't sit well with me. Never again!
>>70445534
Doctors have always been trying to put me on antidepressants, amphetamines and benzos all my life but I had a red pilled mum who taught me a lot about natural health and avoid taking these medications because they do more damage than they cure
>have mental condition
>LOL /pol/ told me i don't have to take shit
>>70446808
>your life, you, your environment. improve them.
I'm in a top PhD program, no debt, loving long term girlfriend, excellent relationship with my parents, good friends, and have all of my needs met--- it's literally not an issue of "improving my life".
>>70446935
based mom saved your ass.
>>70447040
sounds like denial, you're ignoring something.
I take luvox and it's great, I don't freak out over irrational things anymore and that allows me to think shit through before I do something stupid
>>70447203
you could have reached the same point without the drugs, you know, by mentally maturing.
>>70447139
>sounds like denial, you're ignoring something.
Take a look in the mirror, my anonymous scientologist colleague from aquafresh-stan.
I've been thinking about suicide for years now. It's always in the back of my mind for some reason or another.
The only time I actually got scared I would do it was when I was on Zoloft. I suddenly had this moment of clarity one night and all I could think was "so this is as good as life is going to get". It was incredibly scary and I quit taking them. Now I'm still depressed but at least I can experience some good along with the bad, as opposed to the endless feeling of "meh" when I was on antidepressants.
I don't really know what else to do anymore. Shit sucks in my life but I don't want to take pills anymore. Maybe things will get better, maybe not. I guess I just have to stay alive to find out.
obviously never took them.
>>70445534
literally nothing wrong with a Dopamine reuptake inhibitor
>>70447274
>/pol/ talking about being mentally mature
>>70446744
How do you think 4chan cured you of depression?
>>70445534
Definitely don't
>Got depressed
>Tried pills
>Just made it all worse
>Stopped using pills
>Still depressed, but at the same rate of how shit things were before pills
And then I checked into them
Majority of situations the things don't even do anything whatsoever past placebo effect
It's a fucking placebo with a huge list of side effects
>>70445534
A few years ago I tried to an hero with my wellbutrin XL, ended up in the hospital strapped to a bed (for fear I would start having seizures). Instead I started hallucinating that there were bugs all over me and horses running around my head. Pretty intense stuff.
>>70447277
Anon, most people don't find the right combination of antidepressants on the first try. You may wish to try a non SSRI antidepressant. Just have your psychiatrist monitor you pretty closely, and it will be alright. Also, you should probably arrange for some talk therapy--- my big criticism of modern psychiatric care is that too often they just prescribe drugs without any talk therapy, when really a combination of the two is most effective.
Seriously though, don't give up, shit can improve.
>>70447371
dank memes + meme magic = happy life
>>70446432
this is what happens when you give somebody who's bipolar a SSRI
>>70446463
Better be taking L-Tyrosine with that lest you end up with dopamine defficiency over time.
>>70446432
I CAN HEAR THE GRASS GROW
>give antidepressants to suicidal people
>some of them kill themselves
must be duh medicines
>>70447481
what a retard. you should've tried to OD on something else. It's not too late
I started taking sertraline yesterday. I am aware it may take weeks for it to start to have any positive effects. When i asked the doctor about the side effects he kinda danced around the question.
Last night I woke up extremely nauceous and a felt like I as having a panic attack.
Are there any medications that might actually help me?
I've felt depressed for about 10 years, last week I tried to commit suicide. I was in hospital for a few days. I have never gone to a doctor regarding depression before. I am 22.
Also, I am not a libtard.
>>70445534
Why not? They just don't do anything and make you sleepy but they are not the "Mass murder suicide pills".
>>70447861
bismuth_crystal.jpg
for men why not just take steroids(even the weak ass over the counter DHEA reduces my depression) and for women why not get married and have kids for the future conquest of the middle east and genocide of Africa
>>70445534
It's bullshit I didn't feel more suicidal after I started taking Prozac
>>70445534
>take some pills to fight depression and suicidal thoughts
>the same pills can make you kill yourself
Literally what
>>70445534
My mother used anti-depressants heavily during pregnancy so I think my brain chemistry is fucked up due to it.
When I do not use anti-depressants I get regular psychosis, halucinations, rapid mood shifts, etc. When I use the exact same anti-depressant my mother was prescribed I am completely stable.
Just imagine how many generations down the line that shit will fuck people up. I literally cannot live without them.
>>70447766
just like muh vaccinations causing the tism
>>70445534
Antidepressant prescription is a crap shoot. If they don't start having a positive effect after a few weeks you have to go to your doctor and let them know. The only drug that I really advise against is Lithium.
>>70448092
>My mother used anti-depressants heavily during pregnancy so I think my brain chemistry is fucked up due to it.
AFAIK doctors generally recommend that you stop those sorts of medication during pregnancy, so there may be a grain of truth to that.
>>70446224
>muh chemical imbalance
There is no solid evidence for "chemical imbalances" causing depression or other mental illness. That's why every fucking psychiatric medication advertisement states that "experts believe this is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain".
There's also little to no proof that psychiatric medications improve quality of life in the long term.
No worries. Only xanax and opiates here.
>>70446411
See your psychiatrist and ask them to adjust the dose or switch the medication.
>>70446067
they put it into your mouth when you asleep grampa holland.
>>70447685
>never psychotic before
>feed them powerful mind altering drugs
>they become psychotic
>WELP THEYRE BIPOLAR GOOD THING WE CAUGHT IT EARLY
what an utter waste of lives and money
>>70448139
>The only drug that I really advise against is Lithium.
Lithium is extremely effective in certain circumstances, but it should definitely not be the first option for most people.
>>70448204
>There is no solid evidence for "chemical imbalances" causing depression or other mental illness. That's why every fucking psychiatric medication advertisement states that "experts believe this is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain".
>There's also little to no proof that psychiatric medications improve quality of life in the long term.
The brain is an incredibly complicated system, and it is near impossible given current technology/methods to say anything definitively re: cause and effect in brain function. I think the chemical imbalance thing is probably oversimplified in general, and psychiatrists are prone to prescribing drugs when often patients would be better suited to talk therapy. However, you are deluding yourself if you think that proper and responsible use of drugs are not the appropriate treatment for certain people (generally in combination with at least some sort of talk therapy).
>>70448609
i'm not saying SSRIs aren't over prescribed, i'm just saying 9/10 cases of SSRI induced psychosis is because the patient is bipolar and not just depressed.
>>70448609
At least we don't fix them lobotomies, blood letting, and eye leeching anymore
>>70447909
Zoloft made me totally impotent, mildly psychotic, and when I went off it I had withdrawals.
It did nothing positive.
>>70445534
Literally smoke weed instead and you'll get more benefit even though weed has no benefit.
Anti-depressants are essentially just packaged and cleansed industrial runoff that companies get a little profit on selling through pharmaceutical companies. Don't believe the organic movement, there was never any stop in the toxicity of human consumption and there never will be. We're evolving to be more receptive to drugs and toxicity, and we're growing weaker and less healthy as a species.
There's no way to stop this and eventually natural selection will cause us to whither away utterly
>>70448843
So you had a bad experience with one specific SSRI, ergo medication is the wrong choice for anyone at any time?
>being this retarded
>>70445534
I would rather just put up with the occasional few days of depression. Anti-depressants fuck you up. I am better off taking my chances with nature.
>>70448922
>smoke weed
Stopped reading there.
Filthy degenerate
>>70448922
>t. burnout faget
Sertraline master race reporting in
Anti-depressants are for women.
I'm not saying that as means of trying to appear tough, but rather, they were literally designed specifically for women.
Only women ever enjoy taking anti-depressants.
Every man I've ever know (myself included) who has taken them has either tried to kill themself, or someone due to some psychotic episode.
DO NOT FALL FOR THE PHARMA JEW!
>muh placebos
get drunk every once in a while like rest of us, ya fairies
>/pol/ is now full of doctors
t. 300k starting
>>70449006
For people with legit major depression, it's not ever "the occasional few days".
If you just have occasional depressive days, you're probably within the normal variation of human experience, and if it causes a lot of discomfort for you then I'd say first seek talk therapy. There is a big problem with over pathologizing things that otherwise would be considered normal human behavior/experience.
>>70449027
>>70449045
Meth/Speed is also fine. I don't smoke anymore myself because marijuana is a gateway drug, but my point is that even though it is completely useless medicinally, it still has more benefit in its uselessness than anti depressants have in their shit
>>70449246
fuck off kike
>>70445534
Only temporarily
>>70449268
>it still has more benefit in its uselessness than anti depressants have in their shit
>i know this because my dealer was in medical school for a year and a half
>>70446067
you are either lying, crazy or something really spoopy is going on here.
>>70448704
>never been psychotic before
>they take SSRIs
>become psychotic
>it's a life long condition that they always had and the powerful mind altering medication is not to blame
Uh...
>>70446067
That's the creepiest thing I've read all year. Good pasta. I'm stealing it
>>70449353
I know because I was on antidepressants and antidepressants for years before I became an addict
>>70449268
>but my point is that even though it is completely useless medicinally,
>it still has more benefit in its uselessness than anti depressants
HURR WEED IS USELESS, DURR ITS HAS BENEFITS OVER ANTIDEPRESSANTS
>>70449461
>reading comprehension
I'm saying the med is to blame as is the disease.
>>70449336
>50% chance of OP killing himself for 3 minutes.
i would take that.
>>70449481
Again, your own personal experience does not mean that it's an inappropriate treatment for other people. There seem to be a lot of anons in this thread making that fallacy.
>>70449432
I'm not lying, and I'm not crazy.
>>70446076
Incorrect. The suicidal ideation caused by antidepressants comes from how it affects motivation. Depressed people often hold off on killing themselves because depression destroys motivation, which is why many of them find it hard to even get out of bed.
Antidepressants help with both the feelings of sadness and the motivation, but it fixes the motivation problem usually a month or so before the rest of the depression, meaning people in the early stages of antidepressant usage will still feel suicidal, but will suddenly have the energy to do something about it.
>>70448937
Ok let's hear your experiences with SSRIs m8
>>70445776
"Prozac: now available in suppository for you faggots!"
>>70449524
I don't think that's a common argument made by legalization advocates, if you're trying to invoke that. Antidepressants work for some people, but seriously, the side effects are so common and so severe that I think it's criminal some of these drugs available through prescription aren't called clinical trials. Docs and psychiatrists treat their patients like data-filled lab rats more often than I think most people can stomach thinking about. What's it to you? Are you biochem or something?
>>70449597
Maybe the fact that there's so many of them saying it should hold clout you fucking shill.
>>70449635
This is true, the greatest risk of suicide is in the recovery stage. That's why it's important to couple it with regular talk therapy, so your therapist can keep track of this stuff (vs. psychiatrists who just throw pills at you and forget about you).
>>70445534
i have been taking those for about 5 months
got them prescribed for ADD
i lost about 10kg because i dont have the need to stuff myself with food anymore
but i dont feel more happy
also i feel effects of alcohol sooner
so call me faggot all you wish, but these made my life better
this has been known about for years inc. by the doctors who prescribe the drugs
antidepressants come with a fucking leaflet that tells you this
>>70449528
Why bipolar, unless you mean them becoming more manic. The girl seeing pepe and panting faces was probably borderline. Couldn't it be they're schizotypal or have schizophreniform?
>>70446038
cannot listen to molyneux so obnoxious
ITT: uneducated idiots from the internet age
>>70445534
>>70446224
I've had major depression my entire life, and the only thing that cures it 10000% with no side effects is taking magic mushrooms every 2-4 weeks.
It's basically a miracle cure.
>>70449528
How does a person have a disease if it's only triggered by ingesting powerful mind altering chemicals?
Does a person have schizophrenia if they get psychotic from methamphetamine abuse or alcohol withdrawal too?
>>70449997
That shit is dangerous, how do you deal with it?
ITT: Faggot shills and first year psyche majors who think they're Sigmund Freud.
>>70449618
yeah, right, there are only normies in this board
>falling for the pharma jew
>>70449979
>ITT: Millennials
FTFY
>>70449758
>I don't think that's a common argument made by legalization advocates, if you're trying to invoke that.
No i wasnt faggot. I was trying to show how you contradicted yourself. However, your drug addled brain can no longer comprehend basic tenants of logic.
>>70449997
there is actually research going into this you might be right
>>70449997
I'd love to take datura, DMT, LSD and magic mushrooms but I have no idea where to get them. Where the hell do you find them?
>>70450214
>I'd love to take datura
ITT: Big Pharma shills, drug dealing psychiatrists, and just blue pilled faggots
>be depressed ADDfag
>go to jew psychiatrist
>prescribes me Adderal (score) and Wellbutrin
>ADD gets better
>people notice I'm no longer depressed all the time
>become hypersexual (odd, but cool, w/e)
>lose a TON of weight, become almost skelly mode
>start doing drugs; coke, LSD, ecstasy
>start hooking up with sluts on fetlife, craigslist
>get obsessed with violence, start shaking uncontrollably thinking about killing people with hammers
>start planning to do seriously dangerous things (kidnapping, armed robbery, bank/truck heist, large scale drug/gun deals, rape)
>stop seeing family and friends, work quality declines
>one day step back and realize I'm becoming Trevor fucking Phillips for some reason, and it is always a bad idea to be Trevor Phillips
>don't want to quit cold turkey and crash
What the fuck do I do, lads
Shit is getting bizarre.
>>70450214
>>70450175
>>70449997
Degenerates who should strongly consider killing themselves.
>>70447277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4S_4jX0ERA
If you can manage to change your breathing patterns you can get better.
>>70445534
The only Anti Depressants working is 4chan
It is free and affective.
>>70450214
With magic mushrooms, buy the spores, grow them yourself.
>>70449766
>Maybe the fact that there's so many of them saying it should hold clout you fucking shill.
hurr durr most people don't need insulin ergo diabetics should never use it
>>70449689
>Ok let's hear your experiences with SSRIs m8
A year or two after I started my PhD program I began to experience extreme lethargy, and a couple months later had a bad breakup that left me feeling pretty sad. Started weekly talk therapy, and after a month or two the sadness had gone away, but I still had extremely low energy/motivation. I was able to continue teaching my classes, but past that I wasn't really functional, wasn't making progress in research, etc.
My psychiatrist (who I was seeing weekly for talk therapy) prescribed me Lexapro. The Lexapro did a good job of helping me regain motivation/energy, but it did cause a little bit of impotence and it felt like it was suppressing any positive affect I had. I went off the medication for about 8 months, since I had largely recovered my functions and thought I could handle things on my own. 8 months later I was in the same situation as before--- happy with my life, but just totally devoid of energy. Psychiatrist prescribed a combination of Wellbutrin and Lexapro, which has worked like a charm--- I have my energy back, no sexual side effects, totally stable emotions.
It works for some people, it's just that neurochemistry varies vastly between individuals so it's important to find the right drug or combination of drugs. It's highly unlikely that the first one you try is the right one, or in the right dosage--- it can take two or three rounds of adjustment before you find something that works for you.
>>70449597
>>70449481
>>70449353
*antidepressants and antidepressants alone
sorry that's what I meant. You're right, it's my personal experience, but there's enough (mostly) trustworthy statistics and enough word down the grapevine to confirm a lot of what I'm positing wistfully right now. Go out 2-3 layers of your family/friends, and you'll find someone who either was or knew someone who became vegetables or offed themselves from painkillers/antidepressant abuse.
There's so little doctor-patient oversight in these sorts of things too. If you want to keep antidepressants mainstream, fine, but make the system less susceptible to turning the patient-doctor relationship into a dealer-buyer one.
I'm someone who has been in both situations, they were so similar in the language, the motions and all that that it's got me laughing just thinking about it.
I'd like to re-iterate to avoid dudeweed shit that I freely admit marijuana is degenerate and useless. Probably shouldn't have mentioned it, but antidepressants are more harmful than it is worth it to have them so conventionally accepted.
And also people are getting more and more used to being high, eating toxic things, and being in toxic environments, and a lot of us are getting a lot weaker overall. This is why I hate all the shitty star trek / hippie future shows. We're either going transhuman so we can control our own evolution or we're going to whither away and die
>>70450312
see, it doesn't need anti-depressent for OP to kill himself.
>>70445534
The only antidepressants worth taking are mirtazapine and tianeptine. They don't give you limp penis and they take effect almost immediately.
>>70450328
I remember the fun I had with street speed when I was a kid. Getting stim-dick wasn't fun though.
>>70450336
>mushrooms create cure for depression by accident
>FUCKING DEGENERATE SHIT
>doctors in lab coats synthetically recreate molecules in mushrooms that cure depression
>perfectly alright
>>70450085
It's not dangerous at all though, you just need to start small.
The only thing that you need to work out is having a good mindset going in, and maybe some friends to do it with, since it's a lot more fun with friends since you get to share the trip together.
>>70450175
Yeah I'm aware of it, and from personal experience I back up all the research with more certainty than my love for jerking off to chinese cartoons.
>>70450214
>Grow them yourself
>Buy from an online black marget
>Go pick some
>Get to know dealers and ask if they have any
I bought online a few times with good results, and I've known dealers that had okay to great stuff, but it's probably easier to just grow them yourself, and there's plenty of guides online to learn how to do it.
Not sure how easy any of this is outside the US, but there's probably plenty of drug deal "refugees" around.
This shit happened to me when on ADD pills.
Of course when you try to talk about that everyone calls bullshit and just calls you a lazy shit.
>>70450446
>hurr durr
Yeah opinion fucking discarded.
Come back when you learn how to speak like an adult you fucking chimp.
>>70445534
>>70445776
/pol/ is wrong, anti-depressants help alot
>>70450448
>There's so little doctor-patient oversight in these sorts of things too. If you want to keep antidepressants mainstream, fine, but make the system less susceptible to turning the patient-doctor relationship into a dealer-buyer one.
I agree with this wholeheartedly--- 50 years ago psychiatrists were trained in talk therapy in addition to psychopharmacology, and they kept much closer tabs/had closer relationships with their patients. These days they are trained almost exclusively in psychopharmacology and their first inclination is to throw medication at a patient and forget about them. It's a serious failing in medical training, and I think a lot of people are inappropriately prescribed antidepressants as a result (leading to some of the shit some other anons have been posting).
>>70447276
He's right, you know. Everything you listed is what society expects of you to be considered successful, but is that what you want? Sometimes improving your life simply means telling society to fuck off and do what truly makes you happy, even if it's not considered successful.
>>70450328
Maybe take smaller doses and start controlling your urges better to instead focus on things that aren't totally self destructive.
Adderall is excellent though, if you get a buzz off it like I do then instead of sitting down to plan out killing hookers, instead go work on something tangible, you fuck.
>>70450596
>It's not dangerous at all
>amanita muscaria
>not dangerous
Seriously? Is one of the most poisonous mushrooms. What I tried to ask is how do you prepare the mushroom to take it.
>>70450710
>taking advice from someone who thinks children should be administered seven loads of muslim semen a day
SWEDEN YES!
>>70450172
Oh shit, ok. Well my point is that antidepressants are overall pretty useless since most of them are going to leave the user with a net loss or new problem, whereas weed, while having no medical benefit, doesn't have many drawbacks other than, as you kindly mentioned, slow mental degredation from overuse and a semi-temporary psychological addiction.
That's not good, but it's a helluva lot less than antidepressants will fuck you with, and at least you'll actually get to feel good without mood shifts and incredibly strong, sudden urges to kill yourself that you didn't have when you first started seeking therapy.
So I'm saying antidepressants are useless/harmful enough that you may AS WELL just smoke weed. If you're depressed, I wouldn't honestly suggest doing that. Weed can make it worse as well.
>>70450846
>He's right, you know. Everything you listed is what society expects of you to be considered successful, but is that what you want? Sometimes improving your life simply means telling society to fuck off and do what truly makes you happy, even if it's not considered successful.
I'm pretty happy anon, sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
>>70449927
not an argument
>>70450678
>Come back when you learn how to speak like an adult you fucking chimp.
Make patently idiotic arguments, get a patently idiotic response.
>>70445534
That has been on the warning llabel for decades. The first weeks when you use it you get even more depressed
>>70445534
Starting antidepressants is linked to an increased risk of suicide because they take a couple of weeks to start working, and they don't work all at once. A common symptom of depression is a lack of energy and motivation--where even just getting out of bed can be difficult.
Well, what happens when that listlessness goes away, but your suicidal thoughts are still there? Increased risk of suicide. Hang tight for another week or so and the thoughts of suicide will fade.
Source: take antidepressants, talked with my doctor
>>70445534
I had a seizure in the library using those pills.
>>70450896
Well there's more than 1 kind of mushroom that contains psilocybin, so just take the less insane ones.
Amanita Muscaria just has a cool iconic look is all.
>>70445534
Before Anti-Depressants
>Depressed all the time
>Wanna kill myself
>nearly did a few times
After
>Depressed not as often and not as bad
>Still wanna kill myself but only sometimes
>Nearly did once
>>70445534
I went off my anti-depressants. It was a big mistake. I'm still off them but I really need them.
>>70450989
Go gobble another dick-sized pill down your throat faggot. Sounds like you're getting a little negative, faggot ass queer.
>>70445534
Its true. I was on Lexipro for over a year and I thought I was depressed before....
Once I started taking them I began talking to myself a lot more. It wasn't like normal talking to myself, I felt like I was talking down to myself about how terrible everything is and how gross and disgusting I was. I began to want to hurt other people. I realized the pills were making me feel that way so I stopped taking them.
I have been off them for years now and my life has never been better.
>>70451125
>Go gobble another dick-sized pill down your throat faggot. Sounds like you're getting a little negative, faggot ass queer.
You seem to be experiencing a lot of anger, anon--- let's talk about that. What was your childhood like?
>>70445534
If any anons are thinking about getting on anti depressants, please just go watch some of father adolfs speech videos. They will fill you with the pride and happiness you need to get your life back on track.
>>70451195
Nah rather not.
Psychology is a farce. But whatever. Keep making mad dosh off of that snake oil.
>>70451238
>If any anons are thinking about getting on anti depressants, please just go watch some of father adolfs speech videos. They will fill you with the pride and happiness you need to get your life back on track.
>don't take your medication, just listen to Hitler
never change /pol/
>>70446067
70446067
It's quite simple. Your psyche has fragmented. You are multiple personalities. The person taking the pills is Other You
>>70450446
>went through a break up that left me pretty sad
>it's a chemical imbalance!
So a bad break up caused your brain to basically break to the point that you cannot function day to day and to recover you need to take a bunch of mind altering drugs for years?
Eh ok
>>70446432
>Pictures she paints resemble egyptian goddesses
WE
>>70451050
So... Have you meet the gods in your trips?
>>70451052
exercise, socialize and get plenty of vitamin D
love yourself, and not just physically
>>70445534
i love my citalopram, i take a really low dose but it completely stops the twitches that make me want to do hard drugs again
>>70445534
That's bullshit.
I took Prozac for 6 years and have been on Zoloft for a year and a half now. No suicidal issues.
>>70451419
Did you read the rest of the post? Or just pick one particular sentence, remove all the context, and believe it supports your preconception?
>>70447909
hey it's normal to feel a little nauseous when you start an antidepressant, but it should fade in a couple days. now the only side effect i have using a SSRI is loss of sexual interest.
there are lots of medications that might help, but the main thing to do is to combo the medicine with therapy. it really helps a fuckton, trust me. one of the most reccomended lines is cognitive-behaioural therapy
>>70451465
I do exercise and the fact that the sun fucking exists now that winter is over has made things better but still.
>>70446432
>Doctor blames weed
The idiot fucked up the diagnosis and give them a wrong medication. Everyone knows weed don't do that.
>>70450312
Fucking casual, if you're going to use something for a buz, you do it properly.
>>70450444
Buy them from where?
>>70450596
Never seen any. Wouldn't mind.
>>70451238
>>70451323
Good advice desu fampai
All these replies and not one person points out that this is a bullshit box label warning mandated by the FDA for all anti-depressants?
This warning is literally based on nothing; the FDA declared all anti-depressants will get this warning based on a now-debunked study that purported to show that SSRI's - which Wellbutrin is not - may increase suicidal thoughts.
Yes, the FDA thinks that if you call a drug something, that means it behaves just like every other drug; notice how anti-psychotic medications get a diabetes warning no matter whether there's any evidence that particular drug may cause diabetes or not.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-shows-70-percent-of-americans-take-prescription-drugs/
Anti-depressants should be used in one situation only: you are literally about to kill yourself and there is no other option. I found myself searching for my roommate's gun with every intent to blow my head off and decided I had to try something. So I went in and told the doc that if I didn't turn things around I thought I would be dead soon, that was no joke. They gave me Zoloft and it did make things better.
But, they also said "you will be on Zoloft for the rest of your life." Apparently I had a "chemical imbalance" in my brain. Which chemicals were out of balance and by how much? No one could say. But hey take these pills to put whatever is wrong back to whatever it was supposed to be.
So I quit the pills after about six months. That was 20 years ago. Later I discovered psilocybin mushroom trips which made my depression go away forever. Every year or two I do 3 grams on a sunny day and all is right with the world.
>one of the side effects is permanent cotton mouth
ya, thanks but no thanks
>>70447909
What dose were you at, you gotta start small
>>70451805
>Anti-depressants should be used in one situation only: you are literally about to kill yourself
They take weeks to work senpai.
>>70450896
Eating a raw red is perfectly safe.
Other colours will fuck your shit up though.
Well prepared reddies are also delicious and won't even get you high.
>>70451906
Thanks for the insight
>>70451105
>i really need them
>mfw a symptom of SSRI withdrawal is extreme depression
>mfw once taking them it's almost impossible to stop
Thanks modern medicine, I'm sure 1 in 10 Americans actually *need* their SSRIs and aren't totally being kiked.
>>70449997
You're absolutely right. Me taking magic mushrooms cured me. I do it every so many months.
It gives you a clear headed vison for weeks after you've taken them. It has been the cure for me.
>>70451812
You think that's bad? Look into tardive dyskinesia.
>>70446067
sounds like you are a MK ultra sleeper subject
>>70446432
when i took anti-depressants this shit happened to me too, it was like being lobotomized and going through acid afterglow
>>70451323
>implying that it wouldn't work
>>70450398
>affective
goddamn it ahmed.
>>70446411
IKTF. I also can't get erections anymore. I've been off them for 3 years.
>>70446224
>I'm a fucking pussy
>>70451450
Yeah in a sense, but it depends on your concept of God and life itself.
On a good trip you can feel connected to what is essentially all life, so if you think of God as just the underlying foundation for the manifestation for life then you'll feel it.
Also once my ego totally broke down and I became my own universe, which was pretty intense.
>>70451709
You can buy spores online wherever, assuming the UK is like the US where spores are legal since they don't contain the psilocybin chemical.
Make sure you get a good guide though, because you need to be very precise when growing.
>>70446463
stimulants will fuck you up just as bad
>>70450214
order 1plsd
>>70450585
>>mushrooms create cure for depression by accident
No
>>doctors in lab coats synthetically recreate molecules in mushrooms that cure depression
Source?
>>70446067
praxis
>>70448701
>However, you are deluding yourself if you think that proper and responsible use of drugs are not the appropriate treatment for certain people
You literally just admitted that there's no evidence; so how the fuck do you think you have any ground to call someone deluded for opposing your 'solution' to a problem you can't even demonstrate exists?
Fuck off, you pseudo-intellectual.
>>70446411
become a sissy
>>70450998
its not though its literally a side effect to get more depressed and there for suicidal from ssri's
I just got prescribed lexapro
In just a few days it seems to have helped
>>70445534
Medical professional here. The reason why suicides increase when taking antidepressants is because you gain back your motivation before your mood increases, causing you to have the motivation to actually kill yourself. Avoid antidepressants anyways for the most part because they are bad for you.
>>70449997
I was dealing with ptsd and depression after getting out of the military. Drinking lots, kinda flushing my life down the drain. Then started doing shrooms... I now do a heroic dose every month or 2 and havnt felt depressed or any of that shit since.
Shrooms are the true red pill. They help you see clearly.
>>70450896
just take some jimsonweed aka datura
best shit out there
>>70445534
My doctors refuse to give me pills and just want to talk this shit out. Doesn't help. Some people just need something stronger than whining at an old man about their self loathing.
>>70450064
It starts off the disease, just like how people can end up permanently schizophrenic if they have a high risk factor (genetic) and then take cannabis. The could have just become schizophrenic later in life anyways.
>>70447552
this place is definately reinforcing whatever mental illnesses i have
>>70446935
My mom did the opposite and pushed drugs on me. Now I'm chemically chrippled.
>>70450917
Please just stopped.
Youre worse than the paramedic who talked to me after I attempted suicide. He told me I should try smoking weed. I just looked at him with a disgusted look on my face.
>>70451534
How am I wrong, that's what you said.
>break up damaged your brain
>take mind altering drugs to function
>stop taking drugs and lose ability to function
>take mind altering drugs again indefinitely
????
>>70446067
>I dont know who they belong to but the box has my name on it
Mystery solved. I swear to God /pol/ is full of schizophrenics dropped on their heads as children.
>>70452288
DUDE
>>70448202
>brain chemistry
Pituitary gland problems? Estrogen?
>>70452179
Yeah, I've been going back to the gym and doing more work. I think it works fine so far. You can hardly tell there's a difference until you notice you're not anxious anymore
>>70445534
>Brother is "depressed"
>Takes anti-depressants
>Move on to smoking Meth
>Stops going to school
>Gets skinnier and erratic
>Losing his mind and wasting away
I don't think alot of people realize how fucked up it is to be taking any kind of powerful prescription drug. Whether it is anti-depressant or pain killers, I just hear nothing but horrible news and nobody ever gets 100% better.
>>70445534
of course they do you moron. antidepressants neutralize your emotions most of the time to facilitate the psychological treatment. some people will take that as a clue to commit suicide.
the drug doesn't increase your suicidal thoughts, it's your stupid ass that does.
>>70452192
You had best be at least a self ordained shaman for that shit
>>70452385
Maybe it was the meth? Idiot
>>70448843
>>70451566
>>70451879
Thanks for replying.
Also 25mg this week. 50mg next. 100mg thereafter.
Im surprised at the cost of this shit. If I wasnt covered, id be fucked. Happiness seems very expensive.
>>70452168
But Wellbutrin isn't an SSRI. And no, SSRI's don't actually cause suicidal thoughts; that was literally one study which has since been pulled since it was utter garbage.
>>70447909
>It may take a few weeks for it to start to have any positive effects
Nah, it takes a few weeks for you to become dependent on them. Pharmacists are demons.
>>70452288
Maybe you should, it might get the stick out of your ass
>>70452385
The best you can hope for when someone starts up on this stuff is watered down zombie. Nobody ever gets corrected by this stuff.
>>70451624
they blame everything but their wrong doing. doctors suck dicks and should stitch you up when you have a wound and that is it. not use you as a labrat
>>70447909
>Are there any medications that might actually help me?
Stop being a pussy.
>>70446067
Something's going on.
>>70452380
Xenoestrogens, pthalates, soy, hormones in beef. Even if the "experts BELIEVE it's chemicals" was true, the same people funding these experts academia careers, are the ones that promote an unregulated market. Leading to poisons on every level. you get people that don't how to control their 3rd eye trying to cover it up with a litany of medication. If they an hero the world is a better place.
>>70452363
Part of the reason I've become depressed is because of the multicultural shithole the western world is turning into. I havent told my doctor this. I would probably end up being sent for reeducation.
>>70451805
Jewish doctor, you only use antidepressants for at most a year, then titrate off of it.
>>70452502
>Im surprised at the cost of this shit.
£0.08 for 50mg in the UK.
>>70452556
psychological disorders never get corrected. the best you can hope for is that they never come back.
you better never develop a serious one or you're mostly fucked.
>>70452104
>>>doctors in lab coats synthetically recreate molecules in mushrooms that cure depression
that is how medicine creation works, botanists find some plant that has medicinal properties, then scientists find and isolate the molecules that are relevant then put them into a pill form
depression might really cure depression, the research is in infancy but is promising
>>70451741
There's evidence that every 2nd generation antipsychotic can cause obesity and diabetes though, shit Zyprexa caused patients to gain 45lbs in 2years on average.
>>70452118
>You literally just admitted that there's no evidence; so how the fuck do you think you have any ground to call someone deluded for opposing your 'solution' to a problem you can't even demonstrate exists?
There is strong empirical evidence that they work well for certain people, even if we do not have an advanced enough understanding of the brain to pinpoint exactly why. Leaving your grain water exposed to the air lets wild yeast and bacteria ferment it--- the ancient sumerians didn't know this, but it didn't stop them from brewing beer.
>>70452327
The lethargic symptoms started well before the breakup, and the sadness from the breakup disappeared but the lethargic symptoms that you associate with major depression did not. Hence the two are not causally linked.
>>70445534
very under rated thread, i live with three other people that all take anti depressants and all of them are worse off than me, and i thought i have it bad but there just fucked up because of them.
>>70451979
>It gives you a clear headed vison for weeks after you've taken them
Yeah this, it basically clears the fog out of your mind.
It's also nice because your body locks you out of doing it for basically 1 week, because you build up an instant, temporary, immunity after coming down off trips, so you can't just spend all your time high on mushrooms.
>>70452184
>Shrooms are the true red pill
That's why they're illegal.
We could cure so many mental illnesses and damage with them that it could fix society within a generation.
>>70452749
You know what else we used to do? Ice pick lobotomies. Maybe a permanent relocation to a care facility would be good for you
>>70446067
>I don't even know if they're mine, but the box has my name on it.
If the box has your name on it then it is yours.
>>70452118
Thanks m8, that dudes a bluepilled faggot.
>>70449201
Seriously doctors barely know what their doing. It's just their 9-5 and your just another number to them.
>>70452455
Yeah because most people that are smoking meth just one day wanted to try it out for no other reason than "just because". Most drug addictions starts off something benign and legal such as prescription drugs and gets bad from there.
>>70452758
ITT: Dr. /pol/ demonstrates irrefutably that antidepressants are evil because, like, he had this one friend who took antidepressants and it just wasn't the same, man
>>70452730
Bullshit. Geodon and Latuda both get black-box diabetes warning labels even though there's never been any link shown between their use and elevated blood sugar levels, let alone diabetes. Yet, the manufacturer, your doctor, and every shitty little web-md site is obligated to tell you there's a side-effect if you take them, one that literally does not exist.
>>70452923
Lobotomies were good for some people, like crazed murderers and stuff. It turned them into happy zombies.
>>70452902
They can't regulate the tide
>>70446224
Depression comes about because of issues and problems in your life.
It's not a chemical imbalance, it's you being ass at things, or people being shitty to you.
Eat enough food, drink water, exercise. These are more effective anti-depressants than any of the "anti-depressant" medications on the market. The pharmaceutical companies making "anti-depressants" don't even fucking know what they're doing. They just test stuff and sometimes it kinda works, maybe, after it fucks over your brain chemistry and fries it all. Even better if you become dependent on their drug and can never wean yourself off of it; in fact, that's the best possible situation: The drug never cures you, and it has awful withdrawal symptoms that make you dependent on it forever. They just roll in the cash that comes from you.
It's the biggest fucking scam in the medical industry right now.
>>70452722
25mg*7 were £7.50, also, generic.
>>70452902
I agree completely, however it is advised to have some with experience with you who can help you.
It can go horrendously wrong. My first time was awesome up untill the last bit pf the trip, lost it. Apart from that it's amazing.
>>70452983
>Yeah because most people that are smoking meth just one day wanted to try it out for no other reason than "just because". Most drug addictions starts off something benign and legal such as prescription drugs and gets bad from there.
Yeah man, better not take those antibiotics, you might get addicted to heroin.
>>70452923
>>70453134
Responsibly prescribed antidepressants have better empirical outcomes than icepick lobotomy :P
I know about that too well.
Avoid lexapro like the plague. Years ago when I started the generic form, canker sores appeared in my throat. Once that passed and the dosage was increased, the intestinal shitstorm began. I got fucking Crohn's disease with ulcerative colitis, which also eventually led to a fistula below my crotch.
Every doctor has insisted it was just a coincidence, but the dosages corresponded exactly to the early symptoms and literal shit hitting the fan.
Moral of the story, anti-depressants could give you an entire summer of agony, other awful physical effects that will develop later, and an apparently incurable disease. You'll also probably go through several diabolical "solutions" before finding something that actually suppresses the disease.
>>70452729
Again, source....
>>70451450
I've tried mushrooms twice. The second time I ate 4 grams. If I had met any gods I would have thought they were devils. All surfaces of walls, furniture, etc. Were wavering. There was this constant sound of a small group whispering together, but I could not make out the words. I watched a major league baseball game and never enjoyed one so much before. It was like I could track the pitcher's trajectory perfectly and I was awestruck by the skill and beauty of it.
Nothing much else to report.
>>70450928
>I'm pretty happy anon, sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
Then why are you taking anti-depressants?
don't know about antidepressants but stimulants are pretty good.
Normalfags take a bunch of shitty stimulants daily (caffein, nicotine) which are complete trash compared to prescribed ones.
Friend of mine said he was being put on AD for severe anxiety and depression. (I had red flags going off at this time because I have know him for almost 8 years and know for a fact he is not depressed, just in a bad spot right now) Act supportive and ask what drugs he is on, joking about selling his Xanax. He tells me what drug he is on and when I get home I google it
>Takes 3 months of daily use for it to start working
>Taking it less than 12 months (daily) after first pill DRASTICALLY increases suicidal thoughts
>Stopping the drug will take years (stopping cold turkey is basically a recipe for suicide)
how the fuck is this legal? He is basically giving a guy who just needs some more motivation meth. Fucking pharmacists man...
>feel depressed
>must be a zoloft deficiency!
>trusting the pharmajewtical industry
>>70452215
>feeding people chemicals that make their brains malfunction can damage their brains but it's totally not the medications fault!
>how do we know they wouldn't have gotten bipolar anyways?
You cannot seriously believe this, nobody could be this deluded.
>>70447909
I took Sertraline for 2,5 years. I quitted about a year ago. Glad I did it man, not because of weird side effects (I had the impression it was totally useless) but just, because taking this stuff can't be good
>>70452980
Doctors are trained to apply treatment A to problem B, they deal with a lot of general problems and trust that the information taught them is correct and that the researchers, who are pharmaceutical companies selling this crap, are altruistic and not corrupt as fuck trying to make a buck
>>70453225
Clearly not if you're still posting
>>70452516
I dont know i get more depressed from all pills the first weeks.My doctor said that means they work, they did right until they made me manic pschychotic. Not going to try pills anymore after being a labrat for decades
>>70453306
>Then why are you taking anti-depressants?
Because depression does not just mean "wow man I feel sad about my life". My issue was mostly in vastly decreased energy level.
>>70453312
Prozac?
>>70451929
Amanita muscaria contains several biologically active agents, at least one of which, muscimol, is known to be psychoactive. Ibotenic acid, a neurotoxin, serves as a prodrug to muscimol, with approximately 10–20% converting to muscimol after ingestion.
>perfectly safe
I've ate them before but I was an underage retard
They're not safe
>>70453428
>posting on 4chan is a worse outcome than having your brain function handicapped because a guy shoved an icepick past your eyeball and poked around on your brain matter with it
ebin XD
>>70452980
>>70453396
this is why I'm not going to medical school, fuck doctors
>>70453206
It really depends on your personality and mindset for trips, but yeah I recommend that you have someone who's familiar with them doing it with you, or at least a friend to share the trip with.
I've helped lots of my friends through trips to have a great experience, so a little guidance can go a long way.
Still just reading up on experiences can be good enough to prepare you
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml
>>70453160
They like to try.
I dont anymore. I used to be on a few different ones, but they just made me feel worse. Now I just drink alot.
>>70448258
jesus christ anon, what the fuck are you doing to your brain
>>70450328
give in to the urges.
become the animal you were always meant to be.
>>70453546
no, I'm not sure what it was. The facts about usage just shocked me so much I can still remember it.
>>70452980
Good doctors exist. Unfortunately they are rare and expensive as fuck, don't expect one on your next obongocare appointment
>>70453656
>I dont anymore. I used to be on a few different ones, but they just made me feel worse. Now I just drink alot.
You're going to feel a lot worse when that cirrhosis of the liver sets in.
>>70453710
Atleast he's probably happy.
I wonder how he deals with the chronic constipation though?
>>70453710
Fuck all.
>>70453773
Sounds like a typical SSRI or SNRI.
>>70453710
It's probably less damaging than posting on 4chan all day.
>>70453396
But the error is that doctors think they know everything and they dont listen ,and literally deny what you are telling them like you are some crazy person
>falling for the pressed jew
how does it feel knowing you lost at life?
>>70453459
mate, your issue is your diet. i can guarantee you if you eat fresh, clean foods you will have much more energy, and avoid processed shit.
>>70453225
>Responsibly prescribed antidepressants have better empirical outcomes than icepick lobotomy :P
Do you have studies that show that taking antidepressants has a more positive outcome than other options for depression?
>>70450568
>stim-dick
?
this thread says a lot about /pol/. you really think wishful thinking and conservatism will fix psychological disorders?
I do agree that pharmacists are cunts and I wouldn't even be surprised if the side effects are indeed programmed, but as long as your stupid ass doesn't know the first thing about psychology, you'll need these parasites.
incompetent parasites, mind you. modern psychology is a fucking joke. psychiatry too, to an extend.
>>70453247
here you go little baby here comes the aeroplane! open wide! weeeeeeeeeee!
http://reset.me/story/psilocybin-switches-off-part-of-brain-that-causes-depression-but-current-laws-interfere-with-research/
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=210962&maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=Charle%20S.%20Grob&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/17/health/magic-mushroom-chemical-depression/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/opinion/sunday/can-mushrooms-treat-depression.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s182g4vwprA
>>70454013
get out more.
>Think I'm depressed
>Family doctor calls bullshit and gives me 3 weeks worth of sleeping pills to get me to shut up
>3 weeks later I'm going to bed a 9PM, waking up at 5AM every day. Feel better that I ever have for as long as I can remember
Just get more sleep :)
They will help for a while(zombie mode)but when you stop your brain will still crave sum of dat gud shiet
>muh don't do antidepressives but do these shitty psychedelic drugs
Gas yourselves you fucking degenerate shitlickers
>>70454131
>Feel better
Because you're on Z-drugs or perhaps benzodiazepines.
>>70453983
Cook almost all my own meals, don't eat fast food, was biking 150 miles a week on average before I fucked up my knee.
>>70453989
>Do you have studies that show that taking antidepressants has a more positive outcome than other options for depression?
I think the issue is that "depression" is over-diagnosed. I think most people that "feel sad sometimes, so I must be depressed" would do much better with talk therapy. For people with real, honest to god major depression medication can really help.
>>70453459
lol that is literally what deppresion is fag no energy is just another symptom off depression
Imagine what kind of a sadistic fuck you have to be to actually think getting kids hooked up on legal meth is a good business model. What happend to doctors wanting to cure people instead of making sure they have a constant cashflow?
And they call lawyers/wall-street bankers the evil ones...
Antidepressants increase the risk of suicide the same way that the manic phase increases the risk of suicide of bipolar people.
Ironically, depression prevents you from offing yourself because you usually feel unmotivated to do so. If you start feeling motivated while you still feel suicidal, you're finally going to go through with that shit.
>>70445534
>buying into the pharmaceutical Jew
no thanks.
I'll add I am prescribed lexapro AND I've been exercising and eating healthy for years
In gonna say /pol/ is wrong here
>>70454229
>Because you're on Z-drugs or perhaps benzodiazepines
But the feeling has lasted for 9 months now and my sleep schedule is still the same. I haven't taken any pills after they ran out.
>>70454210
>zombie mode
Wellbutrin isn't an SSRI, it's an atypical antidepressant for people who don't respond to SSRIs.
>>70453989
anti-depressants are far more effective for people with severe depression, they have zero efficacy for people with 'mild' depression. Because 'mild' depression isn't the same disorder and they need to be separated.
>>70454102
>Pilot Study of Psilocybin Treatment for Anxiety in Patients With Advanced-Stage Cancer
>One semi- academic source
>Refers to very specific and small population of those suffering from anxiety
>>70449597
$0.10 cents has been deposited in your paypal account
>>70445534
Pharmaceutical drugs essentially ruined my Aunt's life. She's now a suicidal drug addict because of our retarded doctor who hands out pharms like candy. The hospital probably assisted in killing my grandmother as well, they fucked up her saline bags so her kidneys shut down.
>>70453804
this coloring looks healthy.
>>70454327
this, the only reason suicide rates increase is because in some people your energy levels start going up before you stop being depressed
don't take advice from a board that thinks the government purposely poisons the water
>>70454344
I wouldn't be surprised if this poster is a shill of the drug company.
AD's are the worst shit you can put in your body, just don't.
Setraline mustard race here. Anti depressants seem to give you a lobotomy rather than stop depression. You still feel and have the traits of depression, with the added bonus of feeling empty headed. My Dr. seems to be pretty fucking shitty at dealing with mental health issues, he's had me on the medicine for 5 years without a single referral to a specialist.
I'm guessing this has something to do with the Jews, as they (by sheer coincidence) make the tablets?
>>70454285
>lol that is literally what deppresion is fag no energy is just another symptom off depression
"Feeling sad" is not necessarily depression.
>>70454427
>$0.10 cents has been deposited in your paypal account
>I cannot effectively argue my point so I'm going to resort to ad hominem, literally employing the rhetorical jew
>>70454456
pic related
>>70448204
there is a chemical imbalance, but that's because humans can't adapt to modern society's inputs. exercise, nutrition, filtering unhealthy media, proper sleep patterns,meditative practices etc all serve to right this imbalance naturally but people are told that pharms are the way in America. So people can continue masturbating to porn and doing jack shit with their lives but their pill keeps them from jumping in front of a truck.
>>70453856
That's the beauty of psychiatry m8, any time a patient has a problem with their treatment it can be blamed on their "mental illness".
>>70454532
got your phd already?
>>70447909
Dont take meds. Change your outlook.
>>70454069
Its 2016 you would think they have cure by now, at least i did suffering here from 2002 already.
is there no hope for a cure? because the jews dont want it cured
Both my parents were psychiatrists, they were vehement opponents of the pharmaceutical industry.
According to them the only way to a healthy mind was trough therapy and hard work, pills are only usefull for treating symptoms.
Especially things like giving every overactive kid ADD/ADHD medication triggered them so hard.
>>70445534
One of the more common fuckups with antidepressants is that they increase motivation, but not enough.
So, someone unmotivated to take action will find themselves motivated, but still depressed...thus, suicide.
>>70454531
t. Ken "The Cuck" Brown
>>70454634
Shut the fuck up retard
>>70454716
>psychiatrist
>therapy and hard work
ok.
>>70445534
I took Wellbutrin for a little while. For add, not a good experience, constant shakes, dick shrunk(temporarily thank fuck) by about 3/4 inch, major fucking mood swings and crazyness. Fucker wanted me on Wellbutrin adderall AND anti psychotic lithium shit.
Just because I couldn't pay attention and went for a diagnosis. I'm just a lazy fuck, to that greasy chosen, fuck you, you drug peddling phone answering during visit asshole.
>>70453459
>decreasing energy
>take anti-depressants
That's not what anti-depressants are for you moron
If you're a low-energy chump, you eat better and healthier food, and you exercise. Did some doctor scam you into believing anti-depressants acted like stimulants?
>is this retarded, yet claims to have a PHD
>>70454810
decreased energy, fatigue, etc are symptoms of depression
what did you think depression was? "I feel sad"?
>>70452288
Man, that sucks. Don't smoke weed then, as I said. Glad you read my post and didn't just skim and splurge
>>70445534
my ex took that shit and she has a whole slew of mental health issues, not sure what it did she was always depressed on and off while taking it. So glad I never had depression issues
>>70447139
Sometimes it isn't that life is so sad that you are depressed. In some instances, you're caught in an indefinite period of contentness where you are neither happy not sad. In this period, life gets boring and mundane, sometimes pushing some people to the point of suicide.
>>70454766
Working on your state of mind can also be hard work.
And maybe you dont know that therapy by psychiatrists is a thing, because in your country every poor s.o.b. gets forcefed pills, but in civilized nations we actually treat our ill.
>>70454257
>I think the issue is that "depression" is over-diagnosed. I think most people that "feel sad sometimes, so I must be depressed"
No true Scotsman m8, if these people weren't really depressed why are medical experts giving them drugs?
>>70454634
You see, changing your outlook is impossible when youre actually depressed.
>>70454986
>b-b-b-because the big pharma!
never mind that every single SSRI on the market has had its patent expired for over 30 years and can be had for about 99 cents a bottle.
>>70454986
Because there is money in giving them drugs.
>>70450328
I got the exact same thing happen to me mostly, but I didn't sleep around with women they would just flock to me and I would treat them like shit. Fucking crazy, I think that it's because you and I share some sort of gene that makes us prone to violence.
ITT: but I wanted to use a sniper rifle and chainsaw rather then hammer
>>70452667
YESSS.... Just take your pills like a good goy... All those conspiracy theorists claiming there's xenoestrogens in the tap water and plastic bottles are bonkers. Drink deep goy! it's totally normal for goys to have breasts, it's always been this way! http://sciencenordic.com/one-two-boys-develops-breasts
We'll sign you up for some African studies and seminars on white privilege at your local college too. That'll help you understand how lucky you are so you can help the underprivileged better.
I'm sure that our cure will defeat your depression
>>70449268
meth is terrible for you. it's okay if you take it in very small doses but most people take way too much (even though they don't realize it). When you are taking quantities of say .1g + you are putting your brain at high risk of becoming neurotoxic (your brain's receptors become overused and oxidize) which is terrible for you. There is a reason you feel like SHIT when it leaves your body. It is easily the worst drug for your physical health in the long run.
>>70453171
I lead an extremely healthy lifestyle, but due to a series of events, and a high amount of stress in life I developed a panic disorder. It was entirely debilitating and lasted for hours at a time. The only thing that helped me is antidepressants. I had severe reactions to the first prescription; all it took was a change in prescription and I feel like my old self again. There are so many antidepressant drugs that most people can try different kinds until they find one that is tailored to their needs. The best part, my prescription for 60 pills costs me $1.76. Not really a big expense even at minimum wage.
>>70454986
>No true Scotsman m8, if these people weren't really depressed why are medical experts giving them drugs?
Because thats the way mental healthcare works in the states.
They overdiagnose and overmedicate.
You should look up the differences between (western) countries in amount of drugs prescribed. Its staggering.
>>70454716
>Especially things like giving every overactive kid ADD/ADHD medication triggered them so hard.
This shit also makes me rage so hard
>Your kid likes playing outside but you don't want to spend all the time outside and want to read a book?
Just get him diagnosed and drugged up.
>You just lost a person who ment alot to you?
Fuck grieving just get diagnosed and drugged up.
>A lot of work coming up the next month and you are stressed out because you cant plan for shit?
just get diagnosed and drugged up
And the pharma's aren't going to do shit because giving a person AD basically means a solid income for 20 years.
>>70454986
>No true Scotsman m8, if these people weren't really depressed why are medical experts giving them drugs?
Because not all doctors are good doctors, I hope you haven't been inferring otherwise in what I've said--- I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that the way we prescribe psychopharmaceuticals is pretty fucked up, but that they can be effective if used properly and responsibly.
Re: no true scotsman, you do have a point--- it is very difficult sometimes to separate what might be a legitimate case of depression from what might otherwise be within the normal variation of human experience. I think that far too often psychiatrists will pathologize that normal variation and prescribe drugs when they are not needed, when talk therapy would be much more effective.
>>70454634
>just be happy dude
wow nobody has ever thought of that
>>70454654
there is no cure. you can't observe the human psyche, let alone drug it.
you don't go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist for a cure, you do it to make the pain bearable. don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
>>70454562
>"Feeling sad" is not necessarily depression.
No its not deppresion is many symptoms mine evolved from feeling sad to feeling nothing
Psychological symptoms include:
continuous low mood or sadness
feeling hopeless and helpless
having low self-esteem
feeling tearful
feeling guilt-ridden
feeling irritable and intolerant of others
having no motivation or interest in things
finding it difficult to make decisions
not getting any enjoyment out of life
feeling anxious or worried
having suicidal thoughts or thoughts of harming yourself
Physical symptoms include:
moving or speaking more slowly than usual
change in appetite or weight (usually decreased, but sometimes increased)
constipation
unexplained aches and pains
lack of energy or lack of interest in sex (loss of libido)
changes to your menstrual cycle
disturbed sleep (for example, finding it hard to fall asleep at night or waking up very early in the morning)
>this is deppresion
>>70454864
>I'm depressed!
>Proceeds to brag about having a perfect life, exercise daily, eat healthy food, got a PHD, everything is fucking great
>bb-but I'm low energy!
>But I have to take anti-depressants!
You're a certified moron. You're being scammed into taking something you clearly don't need, and/or you're bullshitting about fucking everything.
You're either taking antidepressants while you don't actually need them, or you're lying about how perfect your life is.
>>70455173
>And the pharma's aren't going to do shit because giving a person AD basically means a solid income for 20 years.
see
>>70455045
congratulations, you're an idiot
>>70455118
Im quite active in the altright....
I literally need the medication so I dont off myself.
>>70447909
I have been taking sertraline for over a month. I have tried some other meds that didn't help me, but now I'm starting to feel better with this
Anyone else had a loved one stop taking their meds?
>tfw you realize you haven't actually been talking to your actual dad for 10+ years
Freakiest realization of my life
We need a new thread.
For my daily dose of shitposting.
>>70449268
>Meth/Speed is also fine
Fuck off and kill yourself, you stupid faggot.
>>70455246
>medical consultation is free
>It is free to go talk to a psychiatrist once a week
>it is free to find out if its side effects or something else.
fucking retard
>>70445534
Lorazepam-sertraline tier here
>>70454384
No true Scotsman again m80, if these people didn't meet the criteria for getting antidepressant meds why are medical experts prescribing them the meds?
You can't discount all the people who were hurt by these medications by making some nonsense claim about how they weren't "depressed enough".
>>70455121
>your brain at high risk of becoming neurotoxic
That's a really stupid thing to say. What you actually mean is that methamphetamine is neurotoxic.
>>70455255
Yeah my mum came off of prozac after a couple of years. I was tired of her manic, fake-happy exterior. Now I'm tired of her being a total fucking downer who won't do anything to improve her life and blames all her problems on her two kids and her exes.
>>70455220
>you're life is perfect so you can't be depressed
Shit, I think you might be the uber Psychiatrist we've all been waiting for
>>70455220
First of all, you have the wrong anon leafcuck. Second of all, I'm a PhD student, I never said I have my PhD already (hopefully soon!). Life is bretty gud though, sorry if yours isn't.
>>70454986
>if these people weren't really depressed why are medical experts giving them drugs?
Because it's profitable, and a lot of doctors are ignorant of the fact these drugs don't help much, if at all.
They certainly don't want to hurt people, but it's also pretty easy to prescribe tweedle dee some anti-depressants that the industry tells you is perfectly safe and will fix him, while simultaneously lining your pockets with a lot of money - and hey, it's not like the drugs would kill him, right?
Piss easy to rationalize giving people anti-depressants even when you know they hardly do anything. Even easier when the patient insists they're depressed and demands the latest anti-depressant they saw advertised on TV.
I mean, what are you gonna do, tell them they aren't depressed?
This entire part of the pharmaceutical market is a huge fucking scam. They scam the doctors, they scam the customers, they scam the government, they scam the people who need actual help and get a bottle of pills to 'fix' them (how convenient and easy, you don't even have to do anything!)
Modern day snake-oil salesmen.
>>70455494
>You can't discount all the people who were hurt by these medications by making some nonsense claim about how they weren't "depressed enough".
You absolutely can, if they were misdiagnosed and given improper treatment then you can hardly blame the medication since it was used improperly. Like it or not, there is a spectrum of "depression", and the other anon is completely correct--- different parts of that spectrum have to be approached differently.
>>70454951
severe depression is a lack of emotion in one's life. everything is colorless. You feel nothing. Depression also manifests itself in a way that makes emotional changes become much more stark. A normal event that causes a normal dip in emotion turns into a plummeting, and everything becomes colorless.
>>70455402
there is actualy some drug what helps with depression it works right away , but no clue what its called anymore
>>70455500
>I was tired of her manic, fake-happy exterior. Now I'm tired of her being a total fucking downer who won't do anything to improve her life and blames all her problems on her two kids and her exes.
Exactly this. But at least I get human responses from the guy now. It was freaky how nothing seemed to get past the shield when the meds were in effect.
>>70455500
My sentences structure was off, great find. The intention is there however.
>>70455767
Does willful ignorance really count as ignorance?
>>70455500
also, neurotoxic is a state that the brain endures under the conditions of a neurotoxin. read about this, learn how you are wrong...
>>70452662
That needs to be illegal. We are in an age were obesity is skyrocketing, sugars and fructose corn syrup in every drink and meal, and school lunches feeding unnecessary trash to our kids.
I went to a doctor for depression and he figured it was just ADHD so he prescribed me Vyvanse. I've been taking it daily for nearly a year now.
Since I've been on Vyvanse...
>moved out of my parents house
>got a girlfriend who's open to MFF threesomes
>started participating in International Defensive Pistol Association competitions weekly
>started placing first in my college's writing competitions instead of second or third like some fag
>contributed a lot of code to a non-greenlight non-early access steam game
>got my science fantasy writing published because my writing professor is best friends with the people who run this publishing house in my city
>started going downtown on the weekends to drink and see concerts
I'm not shilling for anything and I admit that the medication will probably fry my brain one day, but so far big pharma has really improved my life.
Over the course of 4 and a half years I tried prozac, wellbutrin, effexor, seroquel and doxepin and it was the worst fucking decision I could have made for my depression and anxiety. The first tip off should have been when prozac and wellbutrin did nothing for me -- if your depression is that treatment-resistant other SSRIs probably aren't going to do anything for you either. I was on seroquel and effexor for years because it took me that long to realize that they weren't actually making me feel less depressed, they were making me feel NOTHING. And that's what most antidepressants and antipsychotics seem to do: lower your baseline of emotion so much that you can't even tell whether or not you're depressed. They zombiefy you. I had no energy when I was on them, diminished mental acuity, no sex drive, no happiness, but a whole lot of weight gain. And the withdrawal effects getting off them were hell.
I would have been better off getting some benzos for when it got really bad, or self-medicating with alcohol. I'm looking into LSD and ketamine right now.
