>p-please like me again right wingers :'[
t. Sarcoon of Islamabad
>muh regressive left
>these people are not really for equality, only cultural libertarians are
>the left became the religious right
How can people still watch this faggot? Its always the same shit, in every video he does.
>>70415672
>not Sarcuck of Blackdad
>>70415672
>not suckhole of asshat
>1/4 Nigger of Akkad
>>70415868
>not 'hard-on for Baghdad'
>Father of a Kid (who isn't mine)
>>70415672
>>70415868
My favourite was Quadroon of Mossad.
>>70415997
kek thats the one that pissed him off.
I'm out of touch here guys, What did he do?
>>70416042
Raises another mans kid
Thinks /pol/ are just right wing sjws
thinks SJWs are a religious cult
Just stupid egalitarian nonsense.
>>70415782
He along with a couple of others like Dave Reuben are trying to make an "alt left" in response to us that's basically us minus gas the kikes race war now.
Good luck to them I say.
>>70415904
>not suckhole of asshat
>fuk.jpg
KEK
STRAYA
>>70416115
Where did this all come out? he never talks about his personal life.
>>70416115
>alt-left
Let me guess, socialism without the communism right?
>>70416042
he be desperate to clinge on to whatever leftist views he has left, that he will willfully mispresent the right in order to delude himself to think he be in the perfect political middle spot of social acceptance, so that he don't offend anyone.
>>70416171
>socialism without the communism right?
More like trying to preserve the sacred cows that we've slain such as racial equality. It's a doomed mission but I can understand why they are trying.
Scottish UKIP has to have the most based mad men in the country.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3529699/UKIP-race-row-party-activist-pictured-BLACKED-UP.html
>>70416762
>Scottish UKIP
I try hard to defend them but they don't make it easy, particularly their leader.
That article is top kek though.
So I don't keep up with Youtube shit. Who is Sargon?
Someone please fill me in.
Dont truth him. Hes a mud somewhere down the line and loves to think hes not white.
Its become obvious that he wont stand for whites when worst comes to show
>>70417051
He's a guy that attacks retarded feminists/SJWs but is extremely hesitant to joining us on the dark side because he's got a black grandfather and thinks we might gas him.
I actually liked that video
>>70417148
i actually liked the alt-right video too, but /pol/ is still butthurt from it
>>70417140
Oh.
Well thanks, I appreciate it.
>>70417051
Another Youtuber who gained a bit of attention around here and I'm guessing reddit and other sites that hit that popularity point where they consider themselves the spokesperson of the right.
Ramzpaul is having a meltdown at the moment too.
>youtubers
into the trash
>when u are trying to remember someones name to ur parents but ur not quite sure and it might be a pornstar or something so you dont say
>when ur cold but ur like "im an aryan warrior","i dont feel cold" and u struggle through it
>>70417051
he's a youtuber that used to post anti-femnism video's, but somehow constantly stated he's left-wing and classic socialist (proably due to his shit-poor youth), but slowely realizes that the right wing is the right thing.
redpill me on sargon, why he's a faggot, I've watched some of he's video and they weren't bad
>>70416117
How are you supposed to fix everything without getting rid of the problem though?
>>70415672
Sargon in a nutshell:
>SJWs are bad.
>Religion is bad.
>Social Justice is a religion
He's alright though. He's just a leftie who thinks SJW have gone too far. So not really a /pol/ack.
>>70417051
Some britslamist who made 20 hour long videos to """"debate"""" braindead sjws and ran on the gamergate wave.
He's also a centrist who thinks rejecting extremism (read: actually believing in arguments) makes him look smart
>Perfectly safe middle-of-the-road opinion video no.2304
I wish these moderates would fuck off.
>>70417368
Reminder that Soft leftists like Sargon are in bed with the shitlibs and cuckservatives.
They all swing for the same team.
>>70417296
Don't know. That's what they are trying to find out.
>>70416169
In one video that came out before the meme did, he does mention "my wifes son"
>>70417308
Based Swiss cheese
He's contributing to the civil war inside the left, which is a good thing. At least it keeps the cucks divided.
>>70417282
"in a trump vs Bernie, I'd vote Bernie" ~ couple months ago
"/pol/ is an antisemitic hellhole that is sensationalist and almost never right" ~ a year ago in a livestream I believe
he went buttmad at Jim during a drunkstream once.
constantly states that he doesn't agree with the liberal progressive left, yet constantly tells he's always been and continues to be left.
His entire viewerbase is /pol/acks and he still tries and promotes left wing bullshit
>>70415672
Why do you hate this guy again? Because he isn't a white supremacist asshole like most of you?
>>70417728
He seems to hate us for not being in the enlightened middle ground.
>>70417645
dank je mijn vriend
>>70417853
>people can't have their own different ideas
>else they're middle ground
literally cult tier way of thinking
>>70417933
No, Sargon is trying to be specifically middle ground. That's how he would describe himself, and he is disdainful of anyone that isn't (a cuck).
>>70417933
>having different ideas
>not just "everyone who isn't in my area of politics is a religious/zealous/bigoted waycist"
You have really swallowed the koolaid Kraut.
>>70417853
Middle ground is right, also you don't have to be in the same side on every issue, that's what makes the lefties so crazy, total thought control
>>70417365
be quiet ireland
>>70418073
>>70418087
to be honest the alt right video was spot on on a lot of stuff that you read on /pol/
if you act like a SJW fag (doxxing, blackmailing, whining, acting like a constant victim of the system) you might have different ideas behind, but you're still a fag.
>>70418183
You're right, but unfortunately he goes full SJW (literally does the shit he rails against in others) when you get onto the sticky topics.
>>70416115
>egalitarian
>stupid
Stormfags sure are edgy
>>70418286
What the fuck am I reading.
We are the only ones getting censored, thrown in jail and fired from our jobs for having wrong think.
The SJWs are part of the establishment, along with you middle ground cucks.
>>70418286
>doxxing
It's 4chan. We pretty much invented it. You can lament it, but it is what it is.
>blackmail
Don't remember doing any of that.
>Acting like a constant victim
The legitimacy of that depends on whether or not you actually are or are just putting it on for the sake of trying to garner pity. We're not looking to be pitied.
There is no reason to like this idiot. He calls these people 'Social Justice Losers' when he in fact is one.
Case and point.
>monetize videos for gamergate attention
>secretly try to blue-pill everyone
I don't even know if he has any of his own views or if he's trying to appeal to the amazing banana clique.
>>70418468
>no, WE ARE THE OPPRESSED
same old story.
i don't deny that liberals are in the position of powers to raise shit up because jews and corporate whores want to be sanctimonious and never get involved in any scandal that might label them as racists.
fact is, /pol/ has already proven to be exactly on the same level sometimes. we get the chance to have the upper hand on somebody and suddenly the doxxing starts, "it's our turn to ruin lives" etc.
not to mention the retarded way people discuss here sometimes, which is basically ignoring the points and going full bantz. literally ARE YOU KIDDING ME? tier.
>>70418286
We dont blackmail, occasionally /b/ does, but we just doxx.
>>70416179
but he offends both SJW's and the hardline rightwing faggots on /pol/
>being socially libertarian means you are middle-ground
How fucked up has politics become that people think this way?
>>70418439
He's right though. The ideas that it's based on (tabula rasa) have been proven objectively incorrect.
It only continues to survive because it's one of those beautiful ideas that gives people warm and fuzzy feelings.
>>70418519
>i didn't once ask for their prefered pronouns
why do i feel it was not sarcastic ?
intothetrashitgoes.exe
>>70418831
>proven objectively incorrect.
Show the proof
Also your image makes no sense because sjws are not egalitarian
![800px-1995-sat-income21_thumb[3].png](https://i.imgur.com/SRJzHdb.png "800px-1995-sat-income21_thumb[3].png")
>>70418896
Pic related, and the image applies to who it applies to and that's not just SJWs
>>70417248
This, really.
>>70415971
Newfriend here, yeah, I'm gonna need you to expand on this. I watched some random vids of his and think/used to think he's hot shit. Aware me of his cuckery this instant!
>>70415672
>these guys just don't represent actual social justice!
>real social justice is so good!
>>70418831
But that's wrong faggot.
You can be an egalitarian while rejecting tabula rasa bullshit.
Equal protection under the law, being judged as an individual and on personal merits and deeds and not on a grouplabel, guaranteeing at least a base level of social security, decentralizing power, etc. are concepts that aren't dependent at all on believing that all humans are literally the same or that nature has no effect on human psychology.
I don't care if niggers have a lower IQ on average. It says nothing about an individual. A low IQ white retard being proud that his race is smarter doesn't change the fact he is a dumbfuck outlier and there are numerous blacks that are more intelligent than him. 'White nationalism' is absolutely retarded and empty idea. OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what? Questions on how to run society remain. Crime remains. Differences of opinion remain.
For the very same reasons 'white guilt' is bullshit. BLM is bullshit. Muh slavery is bullshit. WE WUZ KANGS is bullshit. Affirmative action is bullshit.
It's incoherent bullshit when you want to claim literal and absolute equality and then whine about 'black culture' and 'cultural appropriation'.
/pol/ posters than call everyone a cuck that isn't a fascist/'race realist'/anti-immigrant absolutist are the exact mirror image of SJW's labelling everyone who slightly disagrees as a misogynist or racist or whatever fucking buzzword is popular that week.
>>70419451
based aquafresh
>>70419451
>you're just like the SJWs, you have opinions!
Eat a dick Jeb
>>70415904
name of model, pls
>>70419451
Didn't expect to see this much sense on /pol/.
>>70419551
>i-if i memeanswer i'll prove his points wrong!
>>70419002
1. Murrica - worst country
2. 1995 - wut is internet
3. SATs - worst method of intelligence indication
4. A graph =/= research paper
5. No sources
Biology has a role in your personality, but to say that it is the determining factor for your gross income is just incorrect and very lazy. Do your research next time
>>70418858
Because your autism prevented you from clearly detecting sarcasm.
>>70419451
Most of that has nothing to do with egalitarianism, which is the idea that everyone is equal in fundamental worth which while it is popular to believe so, is not correct. The idea breaks down further the more different the people you try and apply it to.
>>70416117
>David (((RUBIN)))
It was doomed from the start.
>>70419451
This guy right here
I like him, he makes sense
All of those we protect free speech' gamergate/'cultural libertarian' youtube personalities who make videos laughing at feminists/leftists and go on about how they are the saviors of free speech and jerk off on being 'counter culture and controversial' are really cringey, be it milo sargon, gavin mcinnes (at least he pushes family values at points but still) or anyone else from that camp.
Also whenever Sargon speaks about religion and christians I wanna shoot myself in the leg because it's like the edgy atheist teenager in your high school classmaking a presentation about 'GOD = FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER LOL RELIGIOUS PPL R DUMB'
If anything they can be a gateway into developing a more open mind but not more than that.
>>70415672
>Sargon claims to be a liberal since he started
>somehow /pol/ is surprised he is a liberal
>>70419681
>1. Murrica - worst country
Irrelevant
>2. 1995 - wut is internet
Irrelevant
>3. SATs - worst method of intelligence indication
Doing badly in school exams doesn't mean you are dumb. Right you are m8...
>4. A graph =/= research paper
That's stats from the college board.
>5. No sources
See previous.
>>70415672
In the fullness of time Sargon you will join us.
Someone assassinate that fat quadroon cunt
>>70419869
Post link to the study or summary or shut the up fuck.
Location and time of the study is irrelevant? Ok now I'm sure you're a chav that doesn't have the balls to stab pakis and instead shitposts on the internet.
>>70420005
http://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data
>>70418754
>doxxing
>getting thrown in a cage for "holocaust denial"
lol fuck off cuck they aren't even close to the same
>hey look at me I'm so smart any position other than pure individualism is the SAME and WRONG? Why? Because it's COLLECTIVISM which is always bad for some reason wow I'm very smart
>>70419736
>idea that everyone is equal in fundamental worth
No, it deals more with how you get treated by the overlords/law/state
Obviously equality doesn't mean we're all the same, nobody argues that. We all deserve to be treated the same (presumption of innocence, human rights etc.)
>>70418896
We can easily prove equality to be impossible; everyone is different. So how can we be equal? Dumbass. I hope you get Lou Gehrig's disease
>>70419451
You are gonna want to live in a white country, as white as possible, and preferably one with a cross in their flag.
If you do not live in a white country, you best hope we bring back colonialism, because even just being occupied by white people means paradise in comparison to the otherwise terrible situation no matter how good the political system is.
if you abbolish the niggers, theres still going to be crime, well no shit.
but do you seriously fucking think there is going to be more or less prosperity in a country with centralized family values that does not embrace psychological degeneracy.
>>70419551
Nice strawmen. I was just referring to the overuse of cuck, which is starting to lose it's power.
I'll give stormfags one thing over the SJW's: atleast they are honest in their hate and what their goals are and are selfaware about that.
That's the reason why I can enjoy /pol/ while leaning left in general. The very loud and dominant minority that crybullied it's way into almost every fucking leftwing or social movement and tries the same with generally political neutral communities or one issue communities such as gaming and atheism, is so immensely hypocritical it's infuriating.
The amount of hate and bile that comes from these people (#killallwhitemen), while using extremely naive pseudo-hippy rhetoric (refugees welcome!) is so Orwellian that they might be a bigger thread to open societies than genuine neo-nazis and fascists are. There are no social 'sciences' that try to push 'will to power' Nietzsche inspired fascism. There are however social 'sciences' that push postmodern 'cultures can't be judged objectively' ideas combined with collectivist victim narratives and demands to be given power. So, basically they too represent 'will to power' but in a passive aggressive way.
Crybullies indeed. Atleast oldschool fascists had the balls to do the violence themselves and be honest about it.
>>70419451
You don't get nationalism. It's not about who's "smarter", it's about ethnic heritage and unity. I agree with most of your post though, people should be afforded the same protection under the law etc.
>>70420108
>sample of more than 150,000 students at 110 colleges and universities
>in a country with almost 3000 colleges
>conclusive
But I see your point SATs are an indicator of intelligence to some degree. Too bad intellect doesn't translate to money. Remember all the geniouses that died poor and alone you learned about in school?
Well they ain't the exception
>>70419451
>do you expect me to read all that shit.jpg
>>70420190
>No, it deals more with how you get treated by the overlords/law/state
It grows out of that idea. Everyone is of equal fundamental worth and therefore deserve to be treated as such, be that by the sate or by your neighbour.
I don't necessarily disagree with that. I rather like quality before the law etc, however that doesn't mean there isn't a gaping hole in it (for example from the same premise Islam is just as good as Christianity or atheism) and it is something that needs to be addressed.
How we address it I don't yet know, but ignoring it isn't the answer.
>>70420148
>burger
>complains about european laws on holocaust denial
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification#Responsibility_and_collective_guilt
>>70420393
Get off the public computer turkroach
don't you have refugees to beat up?
>>70420393
What happens if I deny the holocaust in your country Kraut?
We have every right to complain about you middle ground traitors who are in bed with the SJWs people like >>70420273 are a dime a dozen within the left.
>>70420390
>Too bad intellect doesn't translate to money.
Not always, but outside of winning the lottery very dumb people almost always tend not to be millionaires.
>>70420005
>28 sovereign nations
>sovereign
>>70420273
You'll eventually lean right. It's just a matter of time and experience.
>>70416762
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>70415672
I remember when Sargon was seen in a relatively good light
Then he said one bad thing about Trump and everyone flips their shit
>>70420393
>>70415672
wow it worked, high five sargon
>>70419451
>OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what?
you had me right up to here
very formidable (where your heart is) but naive
not everybody is equal, but if there were more like you, it would be a good start
Salute. That was put well and I owe you my respect..
>>70420624
What's naive about what hes saying?
>>70420503
those laws are not something new and for sure not a product of modern SJWs
you seriously think we get thrown to jail because we're going to trigger some fag in a college campus?
>anglo political sense
>>70415672
People who attend political rallies and protests should ALL be locked up in a mental asylum.
Show me ONE individual that has attended a rally or protest and is not retarded.
Just a few examples of extreme retardation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TcGdBs97pM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KG5ILNJe7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCQYOx-6g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGdUJjxW1r0
>>70420458
True, some ideas and trains of thought are more damaging to the system that enables our collective (human) survival and should not be let off with a slap on the wrist just because muh racism. The problem is who defines what is bad and what is worse. Everybody is subjective and until we make a supercomputer that won't turn on us, we won't be able to say with 100% accuracy that stoning adulterers is worse than hanging deserters.
We just do our best to collect data thoroughly and present it accurately, because no matter how racist people think you are, they can't argue with reality and when that reality becomes shittier due to, for example mass immigration, people will slowly wake up. I hope.
>>70419734
ty anon, i was not sure
>>70419736
You are talking about some form of radical egalitarianism and then say 'fundamental worth', which means basically what I said: a shared basic level we all start from in the eyes of society and the law.
As all of these political terms, the word is used in different ways, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism
I am in favor of wealth redistribution. Everyone that is in favor of a progressive tax, no matter how limited, is in favor of wealth redistribution. That doesn't mean I'm for absolute wealth redistribution. Differences in income and wealth are justifiable. They are incentives to work hard/do difficult stuff/be innovative. Still, the way the system seems to work is that having more money makes it easier to make money without really doing that much (the interst alone can be more than some people earn, investing in companies is less risky if you have money to spare). This leads to growing wealth disparity on a world with a growing population and limited resources (in principle resources may not be limited, but in practice they often are). This needs to be addressed in my opinion. How, is the next question. But this opinion makes me 'left-leaning' in the eyes of most people in my experience.
I am against absolutism, not because I'm a centrist, but because it oversimplifies complex shit.
>>70420940
can i call you senpai
>>70420273
Cuck is non-insult. It never had any impact unless your are a new friend or indoctrination in your country left you sensitive to such things.
Most people only pretended to be a stormfag. Believing that there is a noticeable amount of people who truly hate for no reason is false and forged by left.
Left are fanatic ideologists. I can agree. People here are not united by common goal but by common enemy. GAS THE BIKES!
>>70420393
No. I provide the option.
>>70419451
Almost wholly good point.
>I don't care if niggers have a lower IQ on average. It says nothing about an individual. A low IQ white retard being proud that his race is smarter doesn't change the fact he is a dumbfuck outlier and there are numerous blacks that are more intelligent than him. 'White nationalism' is absolutely retarded and empty idea. OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what? Questions on how to run society remain. Crime remains. Differences of opinion remain.
However it's not the outliers who make the case, if by your example, we "got rid of blacks" in our societies, the greater cohesion and the absence of an averagely lower IQ and otherwise predisposed population would make things better without a doubt.
It does not say anything concrete about the individual, as you said, but it does speak about the population, which is where your specific point on that ended (Questions on how to run society remain. Crime remains. Differences of opinion remain.). They do remain, but by a much smaller factor
>>70417317
But an egalitarian yelling at someone for being a white male essentially invalidating anything a white male says..?
That was the reason he became an infamous retard.
Don't have political amnesia, please. Germany, you're known for it to the next level.
>>70415672
literally who?
I mean, the uploader.
AIDS Skrillex is famous, I don't know this Sargon guy.
>>70420491
>Get off the public computer turkroach
>>70420503
>What happens if I deny the holocaust in your country Kraut?
Make up your mind guys turkroach or eternal kraut?
>>70421137
Thats how purges are justified. And they only work for a few decades in an authoritarian system where the state already has ful control and is able to experiment with its population. It would never fly in the age of internet, though intimidation would certainly lower crime for a while
>>70419451
All true, but race and culture have and always will matter. You're finding that out as your country gets more and more Islamic.
>>70420273
Cuck is losing it's power like nigger is losing it's power.
When liberals tell you that cuck is overused, it means it still stings. Don't fall for it.
>>70415672
That video actually made me a bit depressed for the US.
I wish you guys could divide the US in two different countries, the SJWs libcucks can even choose the 25 states they want, run them however they want, while normal people get to live in the other 25 states without liberal welfare leaches trying to ruin everything they work for
>>70416117
>trying to make an "alt left" in response to us
That sounds like an excellent idea, divide the alt-right so we both would never gain any societal or political influence. Well done Cuckad.
>>70416042
He triggered the alt-right by disagreeing with them.
>>70421551
I didn't say i'm for the removal, i'm saying "don't kid yourself on it's efficiency"
>>70420458
>from the same premise Islam is just as good as Christianity or atheism
No. Those are ideas. Philosophical, political, ethical, cultural ideas. Those are very different from the generic term 'people'.
Again, absolutist egalitarianism falls apart in incoherency, if that's what you mean I agree. Ironically, the left struggles with this when they try to make egalitarianism absolute, which shouldn't be the point in my opinion.
If we are all literally equal, than a large toilet for handicapped people would be a unjust privilege. Ofcourse, this isn't true, because handicapped people aren't literally the same as non-handicapped people.
A non absolutist approach to egalitarianism is that people are only judged differently when there is a rational argument to do so. If physical strenght is a requirement, than statistically there will be much more men than women. This isn't proof of 'sexism'. It's a statistically measurable effect of individuals being judged on their merits. As long as individual women that meet the physical requirements are allowed in, there is no injustice done. Lowering the standards for women however is against egalitarianism, because you create a double standards based on group labels that overrule individual rights.
The reason why so many on the left have this incoherent approach to egalitarianism is indeed caused by the tabula rasa assumption, which implies that all differences must be the result of sexism/racism/whatever, even if that disparity is the only data available. Correlation must be causation if tabula rasa is true, and tabula rasa is treated as a dogma. In their heads letting go tabula rasa opens the door to actual racism. Which it doesn't if you embrace individualism. Ofcourse, SJW's and Nazis are both collectivists, so they don't.
>>70421566
Call someone a cuck on the street and I'm sure half of them won't even know what it means
>>70420748
>What's naive about what hes saying?
>White nationalism' is absolutely retarded and empty idea
white guy here, strongly disagree
been around any genuine blue-gum gangsta nigras ? BGF ? NOI ?
>OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what?
utopia ? 12% of the population, 40% of the crime ?
>It's incoherent bullshit when you want to claim literal and absolute equality and then whine about 'black culture' and 'cultural appropriation'
this is where you might not like me anon, i dont believe for a second in equality beyond everyone has a right to breath air
no military or civil service = you dont vote
on welfare = you dont vote, no welfare after a certain time limit
try to sue because bakery wont make you a gay cake = no special treatment, get your ass out of here and go to fk'img walmart
not enough blacks or women in college or job markets = tough shit you are not qualified
furthermore:
in a position of the peoples trust (politician, cop, doctor, ect) and get caught doing something illegal = you get x2 the punishment
obviously a smart anon, just think some of it will change after some seasoning
and like i said, need more like him
wish in one hand and shit in the other though
>>70421625
to be honest this would've happened anyway sooner or later.
mashing ironic shitposters and stormfags together only works for shit, giggles and deebly goncerned generalizing kikebook articles about 4chan.
>>70421566
Oh it sure stings people, just like nigger still stings people.
But I meant it more in the context of 4chan. It was amusing for a while, but now everything is called cuck. It's an overused term which has lost all meaning. Indeed, it's like nigger and fag on here, which doesn't mean anything except as an insult.
>>70419451
Well if you're a bona fide fascist then the "how to run society" question won't really remain unanswered, will it now?
And the SJW comparison isn't wrong and shouldn't be denied. SJWs are tools in the hand of the capable elite, who profit from them.
You're just a limp-wristed conservative with the age old muh balance, muh normality opposition to anything radical.
Social progress exists, society can shift to various directions, you might not like a particular direction, but then you should try to change things to your liking.
Conservatives are the ones without a win scenario, without any real goals or vision for the future. And "old liberals" and "egalitarians" are the conservatives of this day and age.
They cling to the delusion of the equal man while technological progress steps over them and invalidates their arbitrary, rule of thumb premises.
>>70421857
I find that people still use cuck very appropriately. You just don't like the survival of the fittest narrative that comes with it.
>>70419451
bedankt voor jouw mooie post
>>70421696
Collectivism formed every society, not individualism.
If you try to stay idealist in a collectivist society, especially a tribalist one, you'll lose. Your school of thought is the reason white people are slowly getting eradicated, while niggers thrive.
Individualism is just a buzzword, people will use it to atomize society inside a nation, to eradicate clan mentality, cooperation that can "rig the game", the competition.
Instead of accepting the tribal, social nature of men and trying to bring harmony between the surely forming groups, you try to impose a nomocratic, strictly ideal and legal framework onto them.
You're just as bad as the equality of outcome egalitarians, you don't try to utilize aspects of human nature or even break them down.
You try to pretend they aren't even there.
>>70421696
You are mostly correct, however if an idea taken to it's logical conclusion causes problems then that is a problem with the idea. One thing that most people fail to consider (left or right) is what their ideas will do in the hands of idiots (i.e the general public).
In the left's case that results in SJWs, in the right's you get murderers, in Islam's case you get ISIS, in Christianity's case you get the anti-science crowd. Traditionally this issue is blunted by one side moderating the other's excesses. Unfortunately the modern political landscape is now almost entirely one sided, resulting in the current insanity as they get a little bit too much of what they want.
>>70421137
The opposite of absolute egalitarianism is absolute determinism. I can't find it now, but there is this graph out there on average IQ's of blacks and whites, that includes data on adopted children as a control for supposed environmental effects. (Let's assume that the innate distribution of potential intellect is the same in adopted and non adopted children, even though that might not be the case.) Ofcourse, this graph triggers the radical egalitarian absolutists that (likely unintentionally) deny evolution had effects on human populations, because it shows lower average IQ's of blacks even when controlled for economic and social factors (adopted by white parents kills the 'cultural bias in IQ tests' argument). Still, the average IQ of blacks from wealthier families or white adoptive parents are higher, which, on the other side of the spectrum, is ignored by absolutist determinists.
Culture and class do have a significant effect. 'IQ' is a relative term. 'Knowledge' and 'intelligence' are different concepts, but they strenghten eachother. Looking at blacks now and thinking they will always remain 'savages' is the same as looking at whites 600 years ago and thinking they can never change. It's the view that the European elite used to have about the underclass. By that collectivist standard east-asians can justify the eradication of all whites and blacks etc, because they have the highest IQ.
What it does mean, is that very likely certain ethnic groups will always be underrepresented in positions of power and prestige, not due to injustice, but the system effect of average differences.
Remember, I'm just talking about the plasticity of human brains, which is different from tabula rasa. The potential of people is often higher than it appears. Questions of culture and worldview are different, which is why I disagree with the left on absolute open borders even though I think 'we' should try to help genuine war refugees.
>>70421814
>been around any genuine blue-gum gangsta nigras ? BGF ? NOI ?
Of course and many people are not naive enough to assume that everyone with a skin tone and skull shaped sort of like one of those assholes would be blatantly guilty of having the same disposition, point of view and personal mistakes as those "gangsta nigras" as you academically put it.
>utopia ? 12% of the population, 40% of the crime ?
The post you were first responding to explained exactly why the result would be more of the same and nothing even close to utopia.
>this is where you might not like me anon, i dont believe for a second in equality beyond everyone has a right to breath air
Those are a lot of opinions but no explanation of the rational behind it. Seems pretty aimless and fickle but I'll refrain from making a judgement call until I've seen your arguments first hand.
>obviously a smart anon, just think some of it will change after some seasoning
Sorry for getting on you so hard but I think you should deeply consider that it may be you who's suffering the most from Naivety here, especially when you compare how well reasoned and explained his points have been while yours could barely be considered adequate.
>>70422573
But literally every idea will get twisted, misunderstood and perverted by the mongoloids.
That's why absolutism is moronic, no matter the direction.
>>70421647
>say stupid things people will disagree with
>they will laugh at you and ridicule your position
>cry about the "tone" and the "toxic ideology" that doesn't respect your pathetic persona like the "intellectual" you dream yourself to be
>be unable to handle the bantz
>get "triggered" thoroughly
>call out others for being "triggered" enough to "trigger" you
How to pretend to be a conservative "intellectual" on jewtube for pity donations 101
>>70422060
People misuse survival of the fittest very often. That triggers me much more than being called a cuck. (studied biology)
Evolutionary success doesn't mean 'good' in a human moral sense. Some black idiot that impregnates 20 different nigresses and a few coalburners as well has a very high fitness in the biological sense, even if all his children end up in jail and half of them get shot after they dindunuffin before securing offspring.
>>70416117
>>70417296
>>70417492
>>70421625
>>70421831
>'alt left'
>basically the alt right, minus the acceptance of modern genetic science about human biodiversity
'alt left' sounds like a shitty irrational dogma, since it's anti-science.
>>70422863
hey, watch the language pls, no need to be rayciss now
>>70419451
t. quadroon of mossad
>>70423016
i can almost sense the triggered finns typing replies before actually posting them
>>70423001
That's some nifty partisanship you've got there.
I'd be willing to bet that you've extrapolated a lot more about what "modern gentic science about human biodiversity" says than actually has been understood and documented.
>>70422922
>good
>in a moral sense
Then I didn't use the survival of the fittest inappropriately at all.
I've yet to see a nigger, who fucked and impregnated 20 women called a cuck.
>moral
people will get called a cuck on a regular basis or people, who don't understand morality and its role in human behavior. Morality isn't a supernatural, metaphysical law, it's not a universal, basic truth.
It's an asset to form human society and ensure its survival.
Maybe I just had a very different /pol/ experience, but what I saw is that people here usually call their peers and others cucks if they give up their own and their own groups' rational interests for the sake of others without reciprocation or are weak enough to be forced to do so.
>>70417051
>>70416169
>being this trolled
>>70421137
>crime remains
Barely
>>70422573
Absolutist interpretations are different from 'the logical conclusion'.
I have some issues with certain interpretations of consequentialism, but in general I'm an ethical consequentialist and not a deontologist. Which means, that ideas can be good in principle, but not always in practice.
Egalitarianism is good in principle, but there are exceptions. An absolutist is intellectually lazy. "The principle is good, and always good, so I just follow that without ever being open for information that complicates the issue."
I will concede the following: how many exceptions can a principle endure befote the word egalitarian loses its meaning? Am I then still an actual egalitarian, or do I just like the word? I don't have an answer to this question. Still, the rule of law and due process and free speech are of central importance to me and should be the same for everyone, which is what I summarize as egalitarian.
To give a counter example, I wouldn't call myself a pacifist, even though I am sceptical of interventions, I think they are needed occasionally, and sometimes downright unavoidable. We won't beat ISIS by being pacifists. Reality is so far removed from the, on paper, good principle of pacifism that I reject the label completely, since I understand the label the be inherently absolutist where I don't see egalitarianism that way.
>>70419451
Agreed Identity politics is wrong both left and right
But Sargon is still a faggot
>>70421655
More people = more potential innovation
Rags to riches and all that
>>70422775
>The post you were first responding to explained exactly why the result would be more of the same and nothing even close to utopia.
Relativist horseshit.
There's a marked divide in Sweden before and after immigration.
Before "crime" was negligibly small groups of people, 1-3, committing crime on the level that 99% of the population wouldn't come across it.
Post-immigration there's new kinds of crime, such as gang rapists and organized crime groups, and much more of it to the point that you only need to live in a larger (or particularly infested smaller) city for some time to be affected.
>>70423104
I'm not a quadroon.
By /pol/standards I'm 40% worstcase scenario.
>>70422608
>east-asians can justify the eradication of all whites and blacks etc, because they have the highest IQ.
China doesn't test their peasant farmers.
>>70423861
I'm sorry, the point I was trying to make was that removing a people does not instantly equate to the arrival of utopia.
>>70419451
So basicly we shouldn't judge people by factors they can't change, like gender and race? What a new and original idea.
Why don't we all just treat each other nicely and live in peace?
Wake up, motherfucker, the world doesn't work that way, people search for an identity, a purpose in life, justice, a bigger cause and fighting things you disagree with is a good start. People like to stick with their own and will use every way and every narrative to push their agenda over others. These fuckers just can't accept that equal chances and access won't cause equal results for every demographic. The only thing keeping the cognitive biases against blacks and women alive are stupid motherfuckers making a fool of their entire gender or race by claiming to represent them and protest against non-existant things.
White nationalism, while I don't agree with it, isn't that bad of an idea. People have asked for aborting every retarded child. If you don't care about the 1 smart nigger if you can get rid of 9 dumb niggers in return, white nationalism would work.
Would the black crime really not just go away mostly? They shoot each other over drugs and ghetto feuds mostly.
>>70420223
I addressed some of your points in another reply.
In short: hell yeah, right now I certainly prefer to live in a 'white' country. I just don't think that is inherently linked to white. Higher IQ might increase the chances of building a proper civilization, but it's no guarantee. Smart people can do stupid shit when they have the wrong ideas. Assuming slavs are white: I wouldn't want to live under Stalin. Also, I wouldn't want to live under white nazi germany, because my mischlinge genes will mean I'll end up more than well done, whatever my individual merit, ideas, and deeds.
>inb4 holohoax never happened
>inb4 JIDF detected
>>70423718
It would be nice if our world wasn't globalized, international policy, trade and military power are so entangled in relation to different countries nowadays. Isolation isn't a viable plan, cutting off from the world means you stay behind - North Korea for example. Military power will be unavoidably used in the principle of the strong wreck what they will, the weak will endure what they must, same with trade. Its mostly a question for the main post-cold war modern blocks, but small countries cannot stand alone and strong ones will fight for supremacy
>>70423717
That's what i said burgerbro, i was quoting
>>70423717
And it's not like you have to fix society with one clever blow and it's the End of History from that point on.
It's a constant struggle for progress and development.
First you get rid of the niggers,
then the gypsies,
then the degenerates,
then the mutts,
then the slavs,
then the mongo...
>>70424182
So you're arguing with hyperbole as if it was to be taken literally then, arguing against improvement on that basis.
>>70420380
What is ethnic heritage if not being proud/ashamed of things you didn't do?
Not taking the culture you are living for granted, now that I can get on board with. I despise western self-hate. I like what Douglas Murray has to say on that topic.
I agree that no sense of unity can be destructive. Absolute morally relativist multi-culturalism is bankrupt. But nationalist often end up creating dogmas, and too much emotional investment in symbolism.
Here in the Netherlands we have the whole 'Zwarte Pieten' discussion. I'm not going to adress that in detail or give my precise opinion, but it's a good example. On the one hand there are the Dutch SJW's, growing in power and importing English academic buzzwords, that simply label it as racist and colonial and think that ends the discussion, and on the other are nationalist that say 'tradition' as if that constitutes an argument. If that's what you mean with nationalism, I'm not interested.
>>70418787
you literally just proved his point
>>70422775
anon, you asked, i answered
i answered as simply as i could
i regret that it was 'fickle' and 'without rational or explanation'
>Of course and many people are not naive enough to assume that everyone with a skin tone and skull shaped sort of like one of those assholes would be blatantly guilty of having the same disposition, point of view and personal mistakes as those "gangsta nigras" as you academically put it
kinda lost me here - is this a round-a-bout way of saying not all blacks are nigras ?
looking for clarity
>The post you were first responding to explained exactly why the result would be more of the same and nothing even close to utopia
it explained no such thing, it just presumed there would still be crime if a certain group were removed from the equation, which is true
i argue there would be a lot less
again, i can't be sure i understood your comment, so please feel free to clarify or perhaps dumb it down so a layman such as myself can understand it
>Those are a lot of opinions but no explanation of the rational behind it. Seems pretty aimless and fickle but I'll refrain from making a judgement call until I've seen your arguments first hand
i was going to point out that all of your response seemed kinda pointless and fickle, but i don't want to be offensive to you anon
i might miss some valuable insight
as stated, i tried to respond as simply as i could
i will try again
i do not believe in egalitarianism
i would LIKE to believe in egalitarianism
i would like OTHERS to believe in egalitarianism
it is impractical, it does not work, because people are not equal, people are not created the same
>Sorry for getting on you so hard but I think you should deeply consider that it may be you who's suffering the most from Naivety here, especially when you compare how well reasoned and explained his points have been while yours could barely be considered adequate
no problem anon, i am here for insight
>>70420503
How am I in bed with SJW's? Because I don't have the same worldview you have?
I argue with friends about this stuff all the time. I've been labelled racist, mra, misogynist, dudebro etc. so many times on jootube I don't really think the SJW's think I'm in bed with them.
Being against affirmative action and racial/gender quotas certainly doesn't make me middle ground in most people's eyes. I label myself as leftwing because I think that best represents my core views and priorities, not to virtue signal. I used to get a good feeling by calling myself lefwing, and hearing others identify as such. That feeling had died in the last four or five years. But that doesn't mean I'm now automatically rightwing.
>>70419451
>>70424839
>What is ethnic heritage if not being proud/ashamed of things you didn't do?
Being aware of your roots.
Of course tabula rasa-worshipping pseudo-individualists think this is the most horrible thing in the world.
>If that's what you mean with nationalism, I'm not interested.
You say that as if your opinion is somehow relevant to an idea tradition.
>>70421047
Don't make me blush desu.
>>70418787
>99.99% of society h8s the ebul nazis as the meme Bad Guiz
>the quadroon coon of babiloon, a jewtuber degenerate """">internet "">...>celebrity"" """" makes videos catering to normies
wew, I sure am so offended by this guy, he took the moderate position on a matter and said that he's reasonable that surely means he's right, right?
>>70424961
>is this a round-a-bout way of saying not all blacks are nigras
Yes, my assumption was that your argument was "see one asshole who's black and judge all blacks on their behavior".
>i argue there would be a lot less
It's safe to say the Utopia part of the comment was sarcastic then?
>it is impractical, it does not work, because people are not equal, people are not created the same
At this point I can't be certain you read >>70419451 at all.
>>70416115
>Raises another mans kid
So sargon is litteraly "don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again" ??????
Topkek
>>70417051
>Who is Sargon?
He's a Youtube faggot who jumped on the Gamergate bandwagon at the time to massively grow his subscription base and begs the Internet for money.
That is his entire life. He doesn't have a real job and makes the same video over and over again to increase Youtube ad revenue.
He's a whore, basically. He will espouse whichever views are currently popular and will gain him more subscriptions and/or donations.
Fuck Sargon.
>>70417645
>"/pol/ is an antisemitic hellhole that is sensationalist and almost never right" ~ a year ago in a livestream I believe
That's true though.
>>70425493
>Yes, my assumption was that your argument was "see one asshole who's black and judge all blacks on their behavior".
>nigra
>black man
choose one
you misunderstood, pardon, might have had something to do with the mention of NOI, perhaps they are considered 'decent black men'
not by me
>It's safe to say the Utopia part of the comment was sarcastic then?
yes and no
remove 40% of the violent crime and it would be 'utopia-like' or 'near-utopian'
i regret the misunderstanding anon
>At this point I can't be certain you read >>70419451 at all
be certain i read it
be certain i greentexted what i didn't agree with
be certain my next reply to you was as simply put as i could articulate it
thnx to reply
>>70422439
That's not what I mean, but I can understand how you got that from my post.
I don't think individualism and collectivism are mutually exclusive. We are social animals. We are individuals that like to be part of groups. I don't deny that we are tribal, I just assert we are adabtle and somewhat intelligent animals that can learn a certain amount of nuance and detail.
My individualism is idealistic, yes, but it's also practical. Individualism allows people to innovate and be stubborn, within the convines of the law.
The problem isn't individualism. It's that people don't appreciate how long it took for the west to become individualistic and how bloody the road was to where we are. Combined with white guilt and cultural relativism and postmodernism this indeed leads to a possible self destruct of the west by ignoring the tribalism still rampant in the rest of the world, and how unchecked immigration can be a problem, especially if you demonize criticism of minorities and their customs and ideas.
Tribalism can be channelled into more harmless forms, such as city nationalism and sports. Sure, football hooligans cause problems, but they often go to work on mondays and don't fucking blow up trainstations, nor are they excused from their behavior by disingenuous non-hooligan football fans that 'reject violence but understand hooligans mindset because of footballphobia'.
I guess I'm a pro-science, realist, universalist leftwinger. I agree with parts of your assessment of the situation, but not with your conclusion to therefore embrace tribalism entirely, which I consider to be defeatist.
>>70426041
I haven't watched the guy, have any notable examples of where he's contradicted himself so I can get a better idea of his level of insincerity?
>>70424134
That's besides the point. Assume that it is, would you willingly go to the gaschamber? What if, after the niggers are gone, we just focus on IQ and start to demonize dumb white people. What if you don't fall on the food side? What if a friend falls on the wrong side?
It remains immoral to me.
>>70415997
That's fucking great. topkek.
>>70426331
He fights a teenager in a 22minute video. He doesn't have to say something contradicting or controversial, he just chooses to go around every interesting topic to bash another bitch not understanding math. Talk about focussing on real issues. He is just pointing out idiots and flawed logic instead of coming up with ways to solve problems better than "everybuddy just love and hug, peace and love, brotha!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYGNTJEtR_A
>>70425193
I explicitly rejected tabula rasa in my posts.
'Being aware of YOUR roots' is meaningless to me. Being aware of your surroundings and how it got the way it is, that is meaningful, whether your ancestors lived there or not.
My grandparents from one side of my family where German. I don't know much more about Germany than the average Dutch person. I don't identify as having German roots. Is that a betrayal? I do care about my country and my city because I live there, I identify with the people I grew up with and the friends I made on university with which I have shared interests. That is important to me.
I can appreciate the struggle people in the past went through that created the open en wealthy society I currently live in. I just don't think that says anything about me as a person. I am not a good painter because Rembrandt was Dutch. I am not morally responsible for slavery because some Dutch people traded in slaves. Being aware that that happened is valuable in itself, wherever my ancestors lived.
>>70424945
I did? Pissing off so many people doesn't appear as succesfull fence sitting to me.
>>70426154
>nigra
>black man
>choose one
Now you've lost me, at some point did you make a distinction?
>remove 40% of the violent crime and it would be 'utopia-like' or 'near-utopian'
"an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect. The word was first used in the book Utopia (1516) by Sir Thomas More."
I think we've got a lot more issues than 40% of the violent crime before our society looks anything like "perfect" It's certainly better but if I'd argue for a change in your semantics.
>be certain i read it
What makes me question that is
>it is impractical, it does not work, because people are not equal, people are not created the same
is essentially the second sentance that >>70419451 begins with.
>be certain i greentexted what i didn't agree with
I think if you read that post you were forming an idea of where he was coming from not off of the explanation he was giving but out of some assumption of what he must believe as soon as you read the word "egalitarian"
>be certain my next reply to you was as simply put as i could articulate it
Maybe simplicity is the issue here. If you've got a well reasoned point to be made here you might need to be more explanatory.
>>70418519
Great, this means New Vegas 2 will be filled this shit too. Buckle up, lads. Fallout 4 will officially be the better of the two.
>>70419451
>there will still be crime
not nearly as much m8
>>70417645
but the pol bit is right tho
>>70416115
/pol/ is just right wing sjws tho
>>70415672
>thinking Sargon cares about any of you
You who Sargon cares about? His paying customers. The people who donate to his patreon or whatever so that he can make YouTube videos as a full time job. If you think he's doing any of this for your approval, that's just sad.
>>70427117
>'Being aware of YOUR roots' is meaningless to me.
And you are an individual, largely worthless when discussing civilization at large.
>Being aware of your surroundings and how it got the way it is, that is meaningful
If your roots are there it is meaningful. Without that it's merely knowledge of another people's history.
>Is that a betrayal?
It's ignorance on your behalf.
>I do care about my country and my city because I live there
So do all the foreigners on welfare, i.e. only in so much as it benefits them.
>I just don't think that says anything about me as a person.
It says your pattern recognition skills aren't the greatest and that you actually do subscribe to the ideological underpinnings of Tabula Rasa theory, the (non-existent) rootless slate completely cut off from their very personal history and ancestry.
>I am not a good painter because Rembrandt was Dutch.
No, you exist because of your parents and their parents parents and the collective work of your entire ethnic group throughout the ages.
Wether your ethnic group also pushed out a few decent painters is entirely beside the point.
>>70421814
>been around any genuine blue-gum gangsta nigras ? BGF ? NOI
Not the US kind, no. Grew up in an enriched suburb of Amsterdam though. I don't have any illusions about 'poor oppressed' minorities.
>utopia ? 12% of the population, 40% of the crime ?
Again, these statistics aren't fixed and unavoidable. There is a difference in crime rates between blacks and whites in the Netherlands too, but not nearly as high as in the US. Gangviolence as in the US is almost nonexistent here. That level of violence is reserved to a few extreme groups that mostly are top criminals like the maffia, not street thugs. (Athough Moroccans are starting to emulate the US somewhat. Thet aren't niggers though.)
It's clear we have a different view about how to run society, however the following you said doesn't trigger me at all:
> try to sue because bakery wont make you a gay cake = no special treatment, get your ass out of here and go to fk'img walmart
> not enough blacks or women in college or job markets = tough shit you are not qualified
>furthermore:
>in a position of the peoples trust (politician, cop, doctor, ect) and get caught doing something illegal = you get x2 the punishment
>>70427770
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>>70417645
>Jim during a drunkstream once.
Isn't that the time he fingerbanged his yellafever girl on a livestream and everyone spreged out because he was acting lewd?
>>70415672
...what? He's always been anti-SJW.
>only right wingers can be anti-SJW
no, people who are anti-bigot tend to be both anti-SJW and anti-white supremacist and anti-homophobia
>>70428048
>supporting faggotry
I don't like you.
>>70415672
What do you call this hairstyle, /pol/?
>>70426747
Sure if that's the case that's reason enough to pass him up. I had figured that
>He's a whore, basically. He will espouse whichever views are currently popular and will gain him more subscriptions and/or donations.
Would probably have lead to some embarrassing examples of him flip flopping but maybe that comes to light in a different manner?
>>70428121
Its a mullet with terrible thinning on top
>>70421647
I do get quite tired of seeing that.
>someone disagreed with me so I'm going to bitch and moan endlessly about it
>>70425720
He has a biological son and step daughter.
>>70417051
hes a sophist.
>>70418754
Exactly, the alt-right and much of pol in hypocritical as fuck when it comes to this.
>>70417645
>"/pol/ is an antisemitic hellhole that is sensationalist and almost never right"
which /pol/ is he talking about?
if it's 8/pol/ he's 100% correct.
>>70427886
>look it up
>it's real
Lol goddamn, sargon is making fucking bank. He usually puts out at least 3 videos per week (this week he put out 7)
Call him a quadroon all you want, he's still rolling in loadsamone
>>70418774
Pretty sjw desu
>>70428629
Mate, hypocrisy doesn't exist. The reason the left currently has so much power is because they're shameless hypocrites. They attack Trump supporters and then call the Trump supporters the violent ones. This is because they feel they morally justified.
I WISH the right and the alt right was like this. I wish we could do what needs to be done in order to grab and hold onto power. Sadly, we're shackled with morals that prevent this.
This thread is strange. I can't tell if /pol/ is getting better at discussion or this is some weird fluke. I'll be laughing my ass off if in a year it becomes an actual haven of intelligent discourse. I'm not holding my breath but god that would be great.
Much better video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10B9Fc8BmR0
>>70427793
I don't come from one 'ethnic group'. That's the whole point. I come from two or three depending on definitions.
Tabula rasa has nothing to do with knowledge of culture or your ancestors. Genetics matter, agency exists but free will is an illusion (I agree with Sam Harris on Free Will, that's all I'm gonna say about that here.) Genetics don't determine what specific ideology you will adopt though, atleast not beyond broad innate character traits that create preferences for certain broad types of ideology. I'm not a fucking communist because my grandfather was one. That's not how it works.
My love for Amsterdam and the Netherlands goes deeper than just personal interest. If an Islamic theocracy ever emerges here and I have to flee to the States I would care very much, even when I'm safe in the US, where I already have family. But that would be something I personally lived through. I don't feel the pain of fleeing Germany my grandfather probably felt. I didn't even exist then. Sure, being aware of that makes me appreciate the fact that good things don't always remain, but couldn't I have learned that lesson just as well from someone with whom I don't share blood?
This mystification of 'blood' as heritage is nothing more than a religion.
>>70417645
Also watch his videos with Millenial Woes
>THEY'LL CALL YOU NAZIS
>YOU'D JUDGE A MAN BY THE COLOUR OF HIS SKIN? JUST LIKE THE SJWS
>>70428731
SJW also punch people
does that mean we shouldn't fight back?
stupid logic desu
>>70427294
>Now you've lost me, at some point did you make a distinction?
one minute you are implying that i presume all blacks are nigras, even though i mention 'nigras', 'BGF' and 'NOI' (?)
then i greentext:
>nigras
>black man
do you think all black men are nigras ?
are you new to /pol/ anon ?
let me try again
nigra = bad black man, usually of the criminal persuation
black man = good black man, usually a productive citizen
let me know if you still misunderstand
>"an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect. The word was first used in the book Utopia (1516) by Sir Thomas More."
>I think we've got a lot more issues than 40% of the violent crime before our society looks anything like "perfect" It's certainly better but if I'd argue for a change in your semantics.
if 40% of the crime is removed, it would be a better place (sarcastic use of utopia)
let me know if this is still an issue for you anon
>is essentially the second sentance that >>70419451 begins with
good catch anon, bad reading comprehension on my part, ty
>I think if you read that post you were forming an idea of where he was coming from not off of the explanation he was giving but out of some assumption of what he must believe as soon as you read the word "egalitarian"
correct, basically agree with this anon >>70419451 in the sentence you pointed out
took a third reading, pardon
That's right, goy, Sargon is your liberal moral compass now. Just because he has the basic level of sense needed to see that SJW bullshit is baseless doesn't mean he isn't a pudgy liberal man. Bashing Anita Sarkeesian (who has done great work with her Charity, by the way) over and over again doesn't make him a brilliant thinker. Sorry.
>>70420170
He doesnt claim all collectivism is bad, he says that collectivism based upon arbitrary lines is bad.
Eg.
Feminsm - women
Blm - Niggers
Alt-right - europeans/whites
By grouping together people born as something you rather than grouping them based on their actions you fundamentally ignore human nature and you ignore the idea of free market ideals where only the best rise and the losers fall.
>tfw libcucks in power are taken down
>tfw they are replaced by right wingers
>tfw the right wingers start arguing amongst themselves within a couple years
g-good job guys
f-future sure is bright
Milo > Sargon
>>70429140
>I don't come from one 'ethnic group'. That's the whole point. I come from two or three depending on definitions.
So you have two or three to know more about.
>Tabula rasa has nothing to do with knowledge of culture or your ancestors.
The push for Tabula rasa nonsense is precisely because leftists don't like the idea of past culture, ancestors and achievements influencing you.
>I'm not a fucking communist because my grandfather was one.
You're allowed a choice at all because of the efforts of your people group(s), without which you would a) not have been born and b) not have had the resources to survive growing up.
>My love for Amsterdam and the Netherlands goes deeper than just personal interest.
Yet it's origin is the same, rootless entitlement.
>I have to flee to the States
How about you fight instead. That very alien notion of not running away when it gets inconvenient.
>but couldn't I have learned that lesson just as well from someone with whom I don't share blood?
Sure, you just wouldn't have had the opportunity to learn anything at all without those with whom you share blood.
>This mystification of 'blood' as heritage is nothing more than a religion.
It's a basic fundamental building block of your existence, regardless if you want to tip fedoras over it or not.
>>70429329
>Bashing Anita Sarkeesian (who has done great work with her Charity, by the way)
get in the gas chamber kike.
Honestly I see more people bashing sargon over and over again because he's an easy target and really there's nothing in his milquetoast ideology that even warrants any attention.
>>70429215
The right to self defense is not attributed only to sjw anon
>>70427879
thnx to reply anon
my intention is not to 'trigger' you
i have enjoyed this thread very much and i have some new insights to think about
as this anon here >>70427793 pointed out, i misunderstood the root or your meaning in the 1st full paragraph
beware black criminal culture should you visit the USA, and i stand by what i said about it, but let me clarify: get rid of 40% of the crime = life looks a lot better
'naive' is not to be taken as an insult
be well
>>70429631
The thing is he promotes himself as some kind of subversive alternative voice. I've seen him brought up in the same list as Ramzpaul for chrissakes. That's the reason why he's even discussed on /pol/.
But that's wrong faggot.
You can be an egalitarian while rejecting tabula rasa bullshit.
Equal protection under the law, being judged as an individual and on personal merits and deeds and not on a grouplabel, guaranteeing at least a base level of social security, decentralizing power, etc. are concepts that aren't dependent at all on believing that all humans are literally the same or that nature has no effect on human psychology.
I don't care if niggers have a lower IQ on average. It says nothing about an individual. A low IQ white retard being proud that his race is smarter doesn't change the fact he is a dumbfuck outlier and there are numerous blacks that are more intelligent than him. 'White nationalism' is absolutely retarded and empty idea. OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what? Questions on how to run society remain. Crime remains. Differences of opinion remain.
For the very same reasons 'white guilt' is bullshit. BLM is bullshit. Muh slavery is bullshit. WE WUZ KANGS is bullshit. Affirmative action is bullshit.
It's incoherent bullshit when you want to claim literal and absolute equality and then whine about 'black culture' and 'cultural appropriation'.
/pol/ posters than call everyone a cuck that isn't a fascist/'race realist'/anti-immigrant absolutist are the exact mirror image of SJW's labelling everyone who slightly disagrees as a misogynist or racist or whatever fucking buzzword is popular that week.
>>70429659
I'm simply saying that calling us "the other side of the coin" just because we use the same methods is retarded. Its a stupid idea you have to get out of your head
The message is more important than the way it is conveyed. Using the same methods doesn't make you the same person when you're right and the other side is wrong.
Doxxing someone for being a "racist", aiming to destroy his career and his familys livelihood in the process, is absolutely retarded.
Doxxing someone because there's proof of (for example) child abuse online and nothing is being done against it isn't the same thing.
>>70419451
>I don't care if niggers have a lower IQ on average. It says nothing about an individual.
around blacks never relax.
would you buy a pit bull or a golden retriever for your kids?
>'White nationalism' is absolutely retarded and empty idea. OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what?
remove niggers
???
profit
is the general idea, not thought out well but still grounded in reality.
>>70429294
>are you new to /pol/ anon ?
No but I'm not a resident either. Obviously there are plenty of people around that don't make that distinction between the two so forgive me. I believed you were simply listing groups to demonstrate a high quantity of kinds of "nigras" as to say "they all might as well be". I'm not sure how these groups have any baring on if white nationalism is a good idea or not but that's a separate issue.
>correct, basically agree with this anon >>70419451 in the sentence you pointed out
took a third reading, pardon
This is more or less the nature of what got me all worked up. Personally my views align pretty on point with those professed by >>70419451 so I thought he speaking a good deal of sense. Then you come along saying he looked naive while my interpretation of your views were less than clever so it came off as something like an addled teen telling a war vet "just wait till you're in school man, shit is so rough, you don't even know" and it got me a little irate, obviously.
I appreciate your sarcasm and patience.
>>70428540
That was the most succinct and accurate reply.
>>70429604
Oh, don't get me wrong, I prefer to fight. That wasn't the point of my hypotheticial though. I think we are going in circles.
I just think knowledge is useful, whether it's about ideas that directly relate to your ancestors or not.
You appear to think that knowledge is more worthy when your ancestors shard in that knowledge ore helped build it/continue it for some reason. It's this 'muh roots' that is the argument for immigrants here to demand respect for the more retarded elements of their culture as if they can't live without honor killings.
Your argument is circular: I'm here because of my ancestors. No shit. There is no other way to even be born. A lot of the family of my grandparents died in WW2 and never had offspring. Does that mean they didn't try? That their views are worthless? Or are they still part of the ambiguous ethnic group that somehow contributed to my existence?
I have to go now, but will read possible reply later. Thread will be archived by the time I get back I guess
>>70429832
>I've seen him brought up in the same list as Ramzpaul for chrissakes.
yeah and the same people limping out over Sargon limp out over ramzpaul because he's not marching down the streets machine gunning niggers.
sargon is bog standard reddit liberalism and in an age of tumblr that is somewhat subversive.
people in the alt right have gone so far right they don't realize Sargon's naive individualism ideas are actually radical among "the normies".
>>70416115
Technically /pol/ is right-winged SJW
>>70417231
>Ramzpaul is having a meltdown at the moment too.
That one's interesting to me because he really does consider himself a spokesperson and this sort of extreme right wing then gets mad about being called on it
>>70416042
He's a very thinly veiled leftist. I used to like him when he was really carrying Gamergate, but then he's really turned out to be a faggot now. Plus his videos are extremely long winded.
>>70429938
Doesnt third world immigration lower unskilled labor wage. I feel nationalism is to stand against the pan-national corporate and global elite. I'm against the TPP, because it harms both the american citizen and the country's sovereignty as a whole. I think mexico, united states, and Canada becomeing one economic zone only helps goldman sachs.
>>70430118
>Obviously there are plenty of people around that don't make that distinction between the two so forgive me
no problem, you are dealing with an anon who sometimes needs to read something three times
cut slack as you would have it cut, AMIRITE ?!?!
>I appreciate your sarcasm and patience
ditto, especially the patience
be well
>select all the awesome
You know the alt-righters like sarcuck and ramzpawn and the way they are 'moderate'? You guys know they do that because they're ugly and want to put their penis in vagina??
>>70416115
>Raises another mans kid
>xDDD cuck your wife has kids from previous relationships xDD so hilarious
I will never understand this meme.
The Fascists of /pol/ are right-wing SJWs as much as the Libertarians of /pol/ are right-wing Hippies.
That is, they only are if it will agree with your "neutral" worldview and supports your opinion of "I'm moderate, everyone is stupid but me!"
People like Sargon and the Nederlander cuck earlier in the thread are the type of people that love the smell of their own farts.
>>70430297
The problem with SJW is that their ideology is factually incorrect, if they had the factually correct ideas they wouldn't' be a problem.
When a religion is rotten and isn't benefiting the population it needs to be replaced.
>>70419451
>I don't care if niggers have a lower IQ on average
And this is why your post is trash. Because you don't have the strength to admit it would absolutely be a good idea to get rid of (or at least limit) the bad racial elements of a country.
>OK, we got rid of all the niggers, then what? Questions on how to run society remain. Crime remains. Differences of opinion remain.
About as stupid as saying: "Okay, we created the cake mix, then what? Baking the cake still remains. Putting on frosting still remains." See how retarded you are now?
Imagine if we flooded europe with just arabs with IQ 110+. I can guarantee you Europe would turn into the middle east 2.0 in just a few generations because of regression to the mean. This is why your extreme individualism is crap.
>>70416117
The alt-left would be the SJWs. If you'll notice older and more sane liberals don't buy the bullshit as much
kekd a little
>>70416171
>ID: PIG
OH SHIT BONGS TAKE COVER
THIS IS THE LAST STRAW FOR AHMED
>>70426146
>the jews are not ebil they are our friends
>antisemitism is bad all races are equal
kill yourself potatonigger
>>70430195
>I just think knowledge is useful
Which it is. It just has nothing to do with our discussion regarding the merits of recognizing your roots.
>You appear to think that knowledge is more worthy when your ancestors shard in that knowledge ore helped build it/continue it for some reason.
Not at all. You're the one that keeps bringing up general knowledge, whereas i'm talking about recognition of your genetics and the collective that spawned them.
>Your argument is circular: I'm here because of my ancestors. No shit. There is no other way to even be born.
You wouldn't think so listening to leftists.
>A lot of the family of my grandparents died in WW2 and never had offspring. Does that mean they didn't try? That their views are worthless? Or are they still part of the ambiguous ethnic group that somehow contributed to my existence?
Correct. They, and the entire collective ethnic groups, contributed to your existence. Without family, without the wider group, the resources and required cohesion necessary to bring you out and up would be a utopian dream at best, nevermind the abundance we now live in. All of which is a direct result of said people's efforts.
>>70430620
Raising another mans child is the epitome cucked.
Your wife fucked another man, and now you're paying for that child's food.
>>70431030
He has a biological one so it cancels the other out.
>David Rubin
That guy's not trying to form an alt-left, he's trying to make people close to the centre on both the left and right realise they have more in common than the extremes of both sides. That's a noble goal in my opinion, and attacking him purely because he sits on the other side of an imaginary central fence is the same divisive shit as retarded extreme lefties. Ideologically it still seems he's coming to terms with some new beliefs, but he offers an avenue for discussion across the political divide that is rarely seen in a genuine way. I can't knock the guy.
>>70431169
For you >>70416117
>>70419451
>crime remains
>a bit of theft and the occasional murder are the same as thousands of dead in ghetto shithole American cities every month
Nothing changes amirite? ;^)^))^)^)^:^)^:^):^;^)
>>70418754
>>70428629
>hurrdurr fighting back is le wrong
lol white bois.
>>70415672
>not Sargon of Cuckkad
you had one job, OP
