https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiigJegRYfk&nohtml5=False
damage control damage control damage control
fuck this guy
>>70349626
He's a Jew/cuck
>>70349626
'we have a faggot here' deal with it
>>70349626
>stormfags still butthurt that literally no one wants to be associated with their autism
lol go LARP somewhere else fag
>>70350145
>stormfag
nope, just laughing at this guys downward spiral
>>70350126
I'm pretty sure he took a DNA test at some point and was actually part Jewish
also, what in the fuck is he on about? White nationalism isn't an organization like PETA. How can you be "pro-white and nationalist" but not be a white nationalist? Because the Daily Stormer are a bunch of retards, you're going to distance yourself from what you believe in? Sounds like some kind of liberal word game. Damage control indeed.
>>70349626
Why are you linking his videos here? He gets YouTube money based on his view count.
>>70350508
i was hoping to get him negative ratings
>>70349626
He's completely right about white nationalists. Murdoch gets it right in his latest video too. Fuck off stormfags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67AodOb1e4
>ITT
>Muh overton window
>Muh no enemies to the right
Stormfags pretend they aren't the right-wing equivalent of pic related.
>>70350368
>the only reason anyone on the right hates him is because he doesnt subscribe to stormshit stuff and calls them out for being annoying asshole
>"Im totally not one of those people though!"
lol sure
>>70350567
lol wtf did i just watch?
>>70350822
the entire bases of the alt-right is white nationalism, though
what do you think things like NPI are about?
This is what Jewish subversion looks like. Just build up a straw man and attack it relentlessly.
>>70350824
You must be new here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz-crDWmINk
>>70350923
>the entire bases of the alt-right is white nationalism
The alt-right includes nationalists, libertarians, an-caps, fascists, national socialists, monarchists, traditionalists, etc not just "white nationalism". Basically anyone on the right who isn't a neo-con.
>>70351247
name me someone on the alt-right who doesn't believe in restricting non-white immigration
even ramzpaul doesn't believe that. he's just not a "purist"
>>70350567
murdoch murdoch was also bitched out for making fun of the guy who wrote turner diaries. alt-right cant take a joke at all
>>70351419
>non-white immigration
Nationalism is anti-immigration not just non-white immigration. A French nationalist, for example, would be opposed to British immigration as well as Muslim immigration.
>>70351777
Yeah, because someone from the Front National would have just as much of a problem with Brit moving to their country as a North African Muslim.
Obviously there are culturally differences between White populations and you are not obligated to take immigrants because they are White., but if a nation chooses to take immigrants they should be White immigrants.
99% of nationlists understand this, people pretend we dont so they can wheasle out of being called a white nationalist
>>70350145
this
>>70351563
Pierce was right about pretty much everything. He was also a creep who married an Asian too young for him, and "The Turner Diaries" is embarrassingly awfully written.
>>70350923
There is no basis to the alt-right. Its just a collection of right wingers, conservatives, palecons and anti-PC people who dont like Republicans or Democrats. Perhaps no one is more influential to many who call themselves the "alt right" than Steve Sailer who thinks WN is stupid and destructive. Mickey Kraus is also very influential and he's a Jewish democrat who is just very anti-immigration.
>>70352498
>pierce married an asian
no he didn't
>>70351419
I am alt-right, and I believe that immigration should be restricted based on IQ, comparative GDP, and the human development index. Immigration should only be allowed from higher ranking societies to lower ranking societies, otherwise immigration only serves two purposes: it will draw the best and brightest away from lower ranked societies, which will only further decrease their average IQ, and bring all of the negative consequences associated with that. Or immigration will bring lower average IQ populations to higher average IQ societies, and lower their average IQ. The direction of immigration should only be from superior societies to inferior societies, and never the other way around. Over time, this will improve the conditions everywhere.
(Also, this is not about colonialism. Low ranked societies should have complete sovereignty over their territories, and determine their own immigration laws. They just shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to other places if they chose not to improve their societies)
Countries can of course pass laws like China that allow foreigners that can perform a job that NO ONE ELSE in the country is qualified to perform (ie. English teachers), but otherwise the law states that one may not hire a foreign national for a job a national can do equally well.
These ideas are almost satanic to the left and mainstream. They are not inherently racial, but they are hierarchical and exclusionary, making them classically right wing.
>>70350822
sure bud, you totally aren't a troll.
>>70352520
the alt-right became an internet movement, essentially, because of Richard Spencer. he's the guy who runs NPI, the place Ramzpaul spoke at. He's a White Nationalist and NPI is a White nationlist organization.
when has steve sailor described himself as 'alt-right'
>tfw you've been on 4chan so long that 'white nationalism' is no longer a dirty word for you
Memes are real
The White Right is eating itself just like the Regressive Left.
This is beautiful.
RADICALS
BTFO
People of /pol/!
Moderate, pragmatic politics will save you
Not left, not right, forward!
>>70349626
I really don't see a problem with this guy. I want a Nationalist Meritocracy. As far as Im concerned half the so called "White-Nationalists" out there are just faggots who don't have an original thought.
>>70350382
Being a white person who is a nationalist is different from being a white nationalist. White nationalist has a slew of connotations that are really unhelpful.
>>70352702
IQ nationlism fails for various reasons
#1. if my ethnic group controls 100% of the democrat procress, why do i only want it to control 90% or 80%. give me a good reason why my ethnic group should give up that democratic power.
#2. diversity harms society. studies show this repeatedly, that racially diverse societies have less trust and are less orderly than homogeneous ones. it doesn't matter how high IQ'd the diversity is.
#3. regression to the mean. unless the other races are asians and jews, the high IQ'd peoples children will regress to the mean of their population cluster. you should know this if you've looked into IQ and race.
#4 i dont want to genetically alter my race through miscegenation
>>70350368
>>stormfag
Stormfront won't even let people use the word NIGGER, and is basically lereddit for White Trash. I wouldn't be caught dead posting there.
What happened to Ramzcuck? Makes a few videos. Some were funny, like when he announced he was planning an expedition to make a meathead in East St, Louis and try to trade with he natives (and he held up a pack of Kool cigar and and Ole English if I recall right).
But he's changed his views bc as he got more popular, his bosses got wind and threatened is job, he made mistake of giving out to much info about his daughter in his own videos, and she is being doomed, along wit his fat ex-wife.
Also, don't like the way he manages to always sneak in the Eastern Euro sluts he is banging there,
All of this would be understandable, but motherfucker now unironically considers himself a "leader" of the "alt Right" and has begun acing like he was elected president of our moment of something. Fuck him.
>>70353044
>tumblr
You are gay and faggot and will meet your maker on the day of the rope.
>>70353044
SHHHHHHHhhhhhhh.....Mate you can't promote reason, moderation and pragmatism here there are Stormfags everywhere
>>70353044
Moderate politics is fading which is beautiful. Moderate anything is cancer.
can you say it in one sentence?
>>70353287
Shhhh bud. Stop spewing idiocy. Reason, anti-moderatism, and truth triumph your bullshit.
>>70353214
Like I said,
>Sounds like some kind of liberal word game.
Nobody gives a shit about black nationalism. Or any other kind of nationalism. Only white nationalism has those connotations. And you're a cuck for putting up with it.
>>70350145
>If you don't act like a faggot nobody will like you
"ramzpaul" already gets called Hitler anyway. But somehow he's just the peaceful beatnik hippie faggot white nationalist right?
Fuck this cuckfaced faggot.
>>70353352
say what?
>>70353250
how do you know his daughter is getting trouble?
>>70353547
Sure bud
>>70353744
whats in the video
>>70349626
>mfw I've agreed with literally everything he says
hurr durr hail Hitler gas the jews retards are not a net benefit to the white cause, they may shift the overton window slightly but that is more then counterbalanced by making any kind of pro white or nationalist movement look completely retarded and gives the kikemedia a way instantly discredit us
every single stormer should have to read rules for radicals, you goys do the exact opposite of everything that might actually save our race
we aren't even saying you guys are wrong about anything, Hitler was a hero etc. but you guys need to get over the edgy rebel phase and ACTUALLY TRY AND BECOME POLITICALLY SUCCESSFUL
that requires you to get smart about PR and cool it on certain parts of our ideology that people have been pre programmed to reject
feminists want to use the government to turn men into disposable slaves, BUT THEY DON'T SAY THAT
they say the want "equality" and they stay on message because that works
>>70350382
He's basically struck up with what is very likely controlled Jewish opposition and is since constantly trying to revise his position to one more compatible with hers.
>>70353214
Fuck right off. By acting this way you're basically letting the left dictate what and what you're not allowed to do and say. Which while it might at first sound reasonable since you avoid them slandering you in this way, they will do so anyway.
If we disavow the far right, as in lunatics and such (something the left very much doesn't do for their own similar morons) the focus will just shift on the new far right, rinse and repeat till we effectively end up as egalitarians or leftists. It happened to a bunch of political parties across Europe and the Republicans as they moved further and further left to avoid these accusations.
what'd he say that has you guys so upset? he's always been a nationalist who is white instead of a white nationalist
>>70353225
>#1. if my ethnic group controls 100% of the democrat procress, why do i only want it to control 90% or 80%. give me a good reason why my ethnic group should give up that democratic power.
You are begging the question. There is not rule of the universe stating you have to confer the voting franchise to foreign workers or their children. You're also precluding non-democratic systems, and autocratic governance.
>#2. diversity harms society. studies show this repeatedly, that racially diverse societies have less trust and are less orderly than homogeneous ones. it doesn't matter how high IQ'd the diversity is.
You can factor these things in by considering genetic, cultural, linguistic, religious and phenotypical proximity. You may decide that certain groups, regardless of their IQ are too detrimental to social trust. An obvious example would be a complete ban on Muslim immigration of any kind. Even if you are a race realist, the lines do blur at the margins of certain groups, at which point language and culture becoming decisive factors.
>#3. regression to the mean. unless the other races are asians and jews, the high IQ'd peoples children will regress to the mean of their population cluster. you should know this if you've looked into IQ and race.
Read the book. This is simply not the case. Also, productivity changes as a result of the mere presence of high IQ people. Also, as societies change, the selection pressures change, and the means can shift over time. You can literally turn avg 70 IQ sub-Saharans to a 105 avg IQ group with enough selective breeding. We should actually be thankful that IQ is 80% genetic. It's easier to fix than if it was actually a sociological phenomenon.
>#4 i dont want to genetically alter my race through miscegenation
Do you think there will be Germans 4000 years from now? Human populations have constantly evolved for thousands of years. Ethnic groups morph, combine, and separate, and will do so forever. cont...
>>70353791
Fuck off Paul, you're an old try hard hippie faggot. Go make another youtube video
>>70352862
I know who Spencer is, he used to be the editor of Taki's and it became far more popular when he left and Jim Goad took over.
And Sailer has never called himself that, I never said he did, I said he's probably the most influential to many who consider themselves "alt right", like Spencer, who has frequently mentioned Sailer over the years and used to edit him at Taki's.
>>70353225
>>70354167
...cont...
The problems that are being caused are do to the pace of change. If you can see it happening, or can reasonably predict what the outcome will be, then it is too fast, and probably coordinated to some degree. Directed change is the most dangerous because it is non-organic, and probably full of unintended consequences.
If all you care about is the beauty of European phenotypes, then put your faith in the fact that apparently these things are considered inherently aesthetic by most of humanity--in fact, it appears that's how light hair and light eyes were selected for in the first place. If there is something intrinsically, and instinctually better about them (I suspect there is), then they will be selected for indefinitely into the future. They will never go away, and with genetic engineering they'll probably increase in prevalence.
If you are worried about maintaining European cultures as they exist at this exact moment in time, then you are thinking in a parochial chronological way that is how humans tend to perceive time, but it isn't actually how the world works. Estonia will have a different culture 1000 years from now, but it will (hopefully) organically descend from what Estonia's culture is right now, and be influences by normal circumstances change that will take place over the coming centuries.
It is not cuckedom, or racial indifferent to accept that Burkean reality of natural organic genetic and cultural evolution over long periods of time. We only associate it with negatives because it is currently taking the form of the browning and dumbing down of white European groups. THIS is bad, but evolution in and of itself is not inherently good or bad. If you think it is, then you are denying reality for the sake of sentimentality on a minuscule human emotional scale that only thinks in terms of years and decades rather the millennia.
>all these wehraboos in this thread
And you wonder why people are repelled by conservatism.
>>70349626
Was does ramz insist on punching right?
The left doesn't do this.
The same with Murdoch Murdoch, wtf?
Just why? Why do you have to counter signal like this?
>>70354054
He is constantly punching right shitting on "white nationalism," Jesus Christ we are all fucking white nationalists, that doesn't make us Aryan nation skin heads.
It pisses me off that he counter signals like this. Hell Curt Doolittle handles this much better and he says he isn't a racialist and leaves it at that, ramz bashes people on the right.. Wtf?
>>70349626
i kinda like his rants
has Paul literally committed internet suicide?
>>70355330
He is pointing out how insular political movements can suffer a runaway train effect. That's how movements collapse due to their own entropy. The Alt-Right is especially susceptible to this because it does not have a central authority to manage it. It propagated through consensus. It is important to be away that we have our own forms of virtue signalling, and it's virtue signalling one-upsmanship that causes the runaway effect.
>>70354167
>You are begging the question. There is not rule of the universe stating you have to confer the voting franchise to foreign workers or their children. You're also precluding non-democratic systems, and autocratic governance.
Yeah, technically you could just have them be workers and keep them separate and not let them vote like the UAE does, it just seems too risky.
>You can factor these things in by considering genetic, cultural, linguistic, religious and phenotypical proximity.
yeah, but by racial diversity we mean people who see themselves racially different than the other groups. White immigrants can be a problem because of their culture, but give a russian baby to english adoptive parents, and he will grow up to test the same on academic tests and have basically the same tendency towards violence as an englishman. he also wont be viewed as 'diverse' thus wont cut down on social trust. you cant say the same for black and arab babies.
>Read the book. This is simply not the case.
wtf? it is very well the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpmlqtnrec8
overtime you can raise the average IQ of the population group by breeding only the smarter people but it takes ALOT longer than a few generations.
For example: on academic tests and children of Black doctors and lawyers test LOWER than the children of White waitresses and manual workers.
>Do you think there will be Germans 4000 years from now? Human populations have constantly evolved for thousands of years. Ethnic groups morph, combine, and separate, and will do so forever. cont...
if you love your race, and you love their history, you want them to remain as pure as possible
obviously you cant worry about 100%, and there have already been changes...but importing thousands/millions of racial different people into your country? too much for me.
>>70355330
>punching right
He's punching idiot, not right.
there's nothing right about purist stormfag larping, they're just retards and they deserve to be rightly mocked and marginalised
>>70350145
/thread
>>70356005
Oy vey, be just like Ramzpaul or you're a 1488/nazi skinhead.
Fuck off Paul.
>>70356005
I am not a "stormfag" but I feel like he is punching me. So he is doing something wrong isn't he?
Btw wtf is a stormfag? Is it someone who shaves their head, has a Nazi flag on the wall and says Heil hitler before he eats his breakfast?
Would I have fun singing the Horst wessel lied at a German beer fest? Would I give a Roman salute with my buddies while chanting TRUMP TRUMP!!
Yes. I would but I am not remotely a "stormfag," in my eyes, I am just a dad who wants his kids to have a future.
>>70349626
test
>>70355601
He always had the same views. Watch his videos back from 2009.
>>70356277
ive never heard people use the term 'stormfag' on /pol/ as much as its been used in this thread
stormfag is a nickname given to stormfront users who are seen as being 'extremist idiots'
stormfront is a site that bans the word Nigger
>>70355783
>but importing thousands/millions of racial different people into your country
This would simply not happen with an immigration system pegged to comparative development metrics. Remember, (1) virtually all people from populations with lower averages would be excluded from immigrating to white societies, or any more advanced society for that matter, and (2), only people (from ANY society, high or low) would be allowed to have a job that would not be taking a job from an existing national.
These two measures alone would end 99% of immigration. If that's still too much immigration for you, then you have unreasonable expectations for what organic human evolution will look like.
>>70356277
He's calling out Stormfags who always rant about Jews, always complain about nonwhites, want the 4th reich and can't shut up about racial purity.
>>70356388
>stormfront is a site that bans the word Nigger
They argue about who is white and who isn't and seemed obsessed about muh purity.
>>70356388
I know it's a worthless pejorative that ramz shouldn't use and should ignore for fucks sake.
Just ignore it you fucking counter signaling autist. No one takes actual skin heads seriously. Even Andrew Anglin gets that it is for comedic affect and making the ideas more palatable for the mainstream.
It just makes me angry that ramz signals against, "white nationalism." Why can't we have white nations as an ideal ramz? Why do you abondon the field to our enemy from the outset?
>>70356277
>I feel like he is punching me
why would you think that
he's calling out ideological zealots who enforce purity spirals, THEY'RE the ones punching to the right by criticising people for not mentioning jews 200 times a second
>>70356144
people who rely on groupthink and ideological purity are weak minded and don't deserve to be listened to
if you're scared or somebody who diverges from the doctrine you are comfortable with, you have no business telling people how or what to think, this applies to all groups, not just white nats
The far and alt-right are now big enough to have their very own in-fighting.
I think this is a good thing.
>>70350382
0.1% jew, he's practically Jackie Mason!
>>70356655
>Why can't we have white nations as an ideal ramz?
what crack are you smoking that you believe ramz is in any way against this
attacking idiotic zealots isn't being pro-left, it's being pro-sanity
>>70356809
if you are for white nations you are a white nationlist
white nation
white-nation
white-nationalist
get it?
he made a video saying 'white nationalism is a cult'.
>>70356552
Considering that most people are taught from birth that Jews are the most humble and nice people ever known to man and how you can't criticize them, is it any wonder that people go full 1488 gas the kikes now when they realize the truth?
It's a phase people have to natural go through, he shouldn't shame people he should aknowledge why they are mad and let them go through the phase.
Jesus Christ, it's natural, Jews have fucked us bad and need to be removed.
>>70352266
White nationalists are not even real nationalists. Jared Taylor said he won't call himself an American Nationalist because he's white before he's an American. He said he would move if whites ever lose the majority. All they care about is whiteness. They would encourage Brits and French to create a white homeland together if it meant they could live out their 1488 dream together. They represent white flight instead of blood and soil. White nationalism is an insult to real nationalism, it's no surprise that ramzpaul wants to distance himself from such stormfaggotry.
>le never punch right. 1488!
End yourselves stormniggers. Nazi larpers are a cancer on the new right.
>b-but we were here first
Socialism isn't right. You can put as many adjectives in front of it you want.
>>70349626
what with his hair?
>>70349626
>fuck this guy
And yet here you are spamming his videos. Go away Ramzpaul. You picked th shittiest white nationalist you could find, and told all white nationalists and pro-Europeans that they were represented by him. You strawmanned, thinking your audience was too dumb to notice. You showed your contempt, now fuck off.
Every right-wing organization has a schism between the realpolitik and the pacifists. Other UK fascists were calling Oswald Mosley a kosher-fascist for his refusal to talk about Jews. It was only later in his activism that Mosley spoke about the Jewish question. Of course the nazis had schism between the more radical nazis and the more peaceful ones.
This is will continue to be a schism until you all attempt to synthesize the two together without losing the spirit or both.
>>70353984
Faggot plz, what have you ever done to contribute to anything besides being an edgy cunt?
>>70356994
A nation is its people. Who cares about the fucking soil if your decendants are going to be completely unlike you and just cover that soil in garbage?
>All these (((((anglin))))) shills ITT
can anybody give me a coherent explanation as to why Ramzpaul is a cuck
>ProTip: "he's a cuck" doesn't count
>>70356994
race is more important than nation, but that does not mean that nation does not exist
my point is you take a french baby, give him to British adoptive parents, and he will be an englishman, basically. same not true for black/arab
that does not mean Britain should flood itself with french because that would alter british culture and britain is over crowded.
What's your problem with this video? He's right.
>>70356957
I'm aware of the Jewish background of Marxism, I've read Dr. MacDonald so calm your ass down, it's comments like
> Jews have fucked us bad and need to be removed.
that make us look bad. What white people need is self determination, a nation separate from Jews.
>>70356933
>he made a video saying 'white nationalism is a cult'.
and you choose to interpret this as "I, Ramzpaul do not believe in the goal of white nations, that is illegitimate" rather than "I, Ramzpaul, believe white nationalists have a large core of frenzied zealots who are impossible to reason with and whose only goal is to enforce purity spirals which are long term bad for us in our goal to achieve white nations"
what is the reason you actively choose to misinterpret what he means unless you want to use it for your own short term "i am purer than ramz, give me high status pls" spiral? its a waste of time. do you understand this?
>>70357369
They need to be removed from our spaces not the earth. Jews can have their spaces I don't care. However that means they have to leave, they are not us, they don't think like us, they aren't wired like we are. They will destory whatever we build.
>>70356994
>White nationalists are not even real nationalists
White nationalists are pussies... they are too afraid to even go shut down a feminism rally. Pussies.
>>70357586
Lmao at pic related
>>70357220
You're literally so obsessed with the word "socialism" that you fail to see anything in a meaningful way. Lol, I have no hope for Jewmerica.
>>70349626
People who defend 1488ers/stormfags have no idea how to communicate identitarian/alt-right ideas to the general public
You are an obstacle to our movement in the 21st century.
>>70349626
>fuck this guy
Watched 20 seconds before I stopped.
Seriously, fuck this guy.
>>70357316
White South African farmers care. By your logic they should just give up their farms to niggers because they're not the majority. They understand blood and soil, you don't. You are inferior to them. White nationalists are inferior to true nationalists.
>>70350567
Fuck off, Paul you whoremonger
>>70357457
>Based Brit BTFOing
Please post this on TRS and explain what Ramzpaul actually meant. Maybe you can scare away those retards who think Mr.WeNeedAHomelandForOurPeople isn't a white nationalist
>>70356665
Nobody's telling anyone what to think, Cuckpaul.
Oh wait, you did that.
Take your hippy dippy libertarian bullshit and keep making youtube videos.
Muslims, mexicans, chinese or jews don't give a fuck how peaceful you are about your "nationalism".
You're a weak old cuck
>>70356708
he should change his channel to schlomopaul
fucking kikes
>>70357803
This is true, Stormfront is retarded. However - the thing is, the "alt-right" has no shortage of cuckservatives trying to make it some edgier version of paleoconservatism. Mention the Jews? Hurrr stormfag. Mention that Hitler wasn't so bad? Hurr you must have 14/88 tattooed on your face and swastikas flying in your garden. That's the problem I see with it. Thing is, if you care about white nationalism (and we all do) you will be called a Nazi anyway, just shrug it off.
>>70349626
LOL @ BUTTHURT STORMWEENIES ITT
>>70357739
>it's ok for the welfare state to house and feed worthless human trash at a productive citizens expense if they are white :^)
>>70358012
i don't have a TRS account and i'm an nrx faggot so they'll probably all hate me and meme calvinist shit to me until i go away.
>>70357872
They are also racially aware.
I can understand people being against 1488, but not the 14 part.
If you're against the 14 part of that slogan then fuck off.
>>70358147
>>70358225
Not an argument
>>70357326
>race is more important than nation
Dead fucking wrong. Nothing comes above God and country. This is why you guys are called cultists. Just like your stupid NW front bullshit. You're more like gypsies or Jews than you are respectable countrymen.
Don't really follow him, but he is right.
![c3b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OI4Ea9D.jpg "c3b[1].jpg")
>tfw he even got the Brendan Fraser hair
>>70358361
When he says "1488ers" he means skinheads with reichsadler tattoos and a Nazi flag in their trailer
>>70358311
God damn, you Americans really can't stop thinking about shekels for one second can you. Who cares? I'm not even arguing for socialism or whatever but you staunch republicucks who sperg out about muh socialism are cringeworthy.
>>70358372
>pointing out the obvious
I see that MIT education really pays for itself.
>>70358385
Not really. Race must come first, others it's not a nation at all.
A "nation" doesn't always imply a country.
It means a group of people, a race or ethnicity.
When you put the nation first, not the race, you end up letting in millions of shitskins (a la germany) because of "muh economics."
>>70358385
Laugh at this cuck
>>70358385
Country not based on kin is an empty and worthless construct. Basically just worshiping a government because it happens to rule over you, rather than what is an integral part of you (race).
>>70358385
Do you think you have more in common with a Black American than a White Swede? You are dead fucking wrong, pal. Objectively.
>>70349626
If the alt right is too succeed we must drop the storm fags. It's not about race but culture. If you are culturally white then you are white
>>70358280
>Thing is, if you care about white nationalism (and we all do) you will be called a Nazi anyway, just shrug it off.
THIS. That's what a lot of fucktards like ramzpaul don't understand.
You're going to get called a nazi and a racist regardless.
Just deal with it like a man instead of bashing to the right, like it's going to help.
It's not, and it's what anti-white liberals want you to do.
>>70358511
exactly, and that is like 1% of the movement. it would be like a socialist video maker making a video saying 'socialism is a cult' because some antifa did some stupid shit. its not needed and not the left does not do it.
>>70357220
>no socialism on the right
>Bismark was a leftist
DUDE HISTORY LMAO
>>70358895
>If you are culturally white then you are white
This is just scientifically fucking wrong. Black kids raised by White parents have the same fucking IQ and tendency towards violence basically as Blacks raised by Black parents.
>>70358895
>It's not about race but culture. If you are culturally white then you are white
Dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Not to mention it's been disproved many times.
We don't want a Europe full of brown people who ACT white.
We want our countries full of people who ARE white.
Plus, white people don't all act the same, give me a break.
Get a clue.
>>70358611
>a country has to be 100% homogeneous or it's not a country
This is really simple logic you're using. You don't have to take such a hard line on this to avoid multiculturalism. For example by your definition America was never a nation even before we brought in slaves because of the Indians. Rhodesia was never a nation because of black people. Most ancient empires weren't entirely homogeneous. It's really less about if there are non-whites in your country and more about how you deal with them. This avoidance of non-whites entirely by white nationalists makes them nothing less than reclusive social outcasts.
>>70359073
>>70359133
Stormfag butt hurt. You're just like sjws
>>70358895
>If the alt right is too succeed we must drop the storm fags.
Yes
>It's not about race but culture.
No.
>If you are culturally white then you are white
No.
>>70358782
Assuming the Swede doesn't speak English, yes I probably have a lot more in common with a Black American. We can probably talk sports at the very least.
>>70359157
You misunderstood my point.
My point was that "a nation" has historically been used to refer to an ethnic group or race.
For example, "the Ho-chunk nation."
>>70349626
Hide your powerlevel and follow his lead you goddamn retard
>>70359375
obviously controlling for language, dude
>>70359157
There is a difference between nation in the civic sense and ethnic sense. White Rhodesians never felt like they shared kinship with blacks, white Americans never felt like they shared kinship with blacks (and still largely don't, American society is heavily divided largely along racial lines).
>>70359221
>Stormfag butt hurt
Not an argument.
>>70350145
This.
The racewar is never gonna happen. Whites suddenly uncucking themselves and holocausting the entire world is never gonna happen.
Ramzpaul advocates segregation and the elimination of the constant anti-white agenda that pervades our society. That's enough for me, and certainly more realistic than Mega Hitler coming to power.
>>70359221
You're probably a shitskin who just isn't ghetto, so automatically you think you're white.
That's why this whole "honorary aryan" thing has to stop, because people like you actually believe it.
Ramzan Kadyrov is a hardcore Muslim, but he is still white.
Culture doesn't equal race.
>>70358895
Kill yourself. The alt-right was initially people like Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor who are about race realism. You are literally just a mainsteam conservative who likes memes.
>>70359646
>Ramzpaul advocates segregation
NOPE. And whats the point of segregation if you aren't going to restrict the people coming to the country. We're losing control of our political system m8
>>70350567
I don't know what this is but I want to fug the ginger.
>>70358385
If you are intellectually honest than when you look at a 99% mestizo or black grade school with all those smiling brown faces it should fill you with pride at these young Americans who will take your place when you are gone.
>>70358511
Well he needs a new term because I take offense in his bashing 1488 and I have a literal $600,000 home.
I would rather coopt 1488 likeTRS has than to reject it like cuckpaul is doing.
Seriously ramz you're making me mad and I've shook your hand.
>>70359770
The alt right was made famous by milo. Those guys are snore fests.
>>70360241
>The alt right was made famous by milo. Those guys are snore fests
Kek. Jared Taylor is 100x more interesting than Milo. Just read some of his books.
Btw, it's not famous at all.
Just because there are a couple breitbart articles and youtube videos doesn't mean shit.
And my god, look at how quick you fags are to throw away principle just to achieve a little bit of limelight.
>>70359975
Blood and soil. If the country is 99% non-white that would mean the white population was displaced from their land. As a nationalist I would be more opposed to this than a white nationalist, because I have more invested in the country, whereas a white nationalist will just flee somewhere else. And as a nationalist I have good reasons for building a wall that isn't necessarily racial. We can come to the same conclusions but a nationalist can come to them from better reasons.
>>70360495
Milo reaches out to a much younger audience. Jared is literally grand pa tier. There's a reason why milo is way more popular. White Jared is "writing books" milo is out here trolling liberals and having fun
>>70356933
How do you achieve a white only nation?
>>70359646
Not committing genocide makes one a cuck? How can people who constantly cry about genocide want to then inflict it on others?
>>70360755
Self genocide makes one a cuck.
>>70360711
milo is popular for the same reason ben shapiro is popular, because they're jews
why do you think they get so much tv time?
>>70360681
All whites nations have been lost at this point though, we want to make a white nation and keep it. Not a single white nation is at present allowed to be explicitly white.
I would happily fight and die to preserve a white nation, that's what I want.
I want blood and soil but we have no soil that is ours.
>>70350567
What is a so-called "White nationalist"?
What do i have to do to become one?
No, the message is "don't become what the Jewish caricature of the White nationalist."
I'm behind Ramsay Paul 100%
Nothing can be accomplished by these guys.
In fact, Jews have historically financed activists like this.
>>70360977
>muh Jewish privilege
Storm fags are sjws
>>70361092
jews corrupt pro-White movements.
>>70360711
>milo
>alt-right
select one
>>70361092
NOBODY DOES THAT THO
he's attacking a boogyman
its called signalling
>>70358311
This.
>>70358538
It's more about out the hypocrisy of people who support socialism for some, even if they're worthless leeches, just because they happen to be members of the same race.
>>70360905
You said
>whites suddenly uncucking themselves and holocausting the entire world is never gonna happen
That implies that whites are cucks for not having committed genocide against all non-whites in the world.
>>70353250
so much this
>>70361716
You misinterpreted what I said.
His grace period is wearing thin it's been almost a month since his professional victim Michelle Fields video.
>>70361623
>muh buzzwords
I like the lexicon page too, but you dont have to overuse every word.
Explain why trying to disassociate our movement with skinheads is bad
>>70360755
>Not committing genocide makes one a cuck? How can people who constantly cry about genocide want to then inflict it on others?
He said anything about genocide.
The gulf states routinely deport hundreds of thousands of people a month without murdering them.
If we have the power to massacre them en masse, then we would hypothetically have the power to send them back to their county. The ones who commit rape and murder in our countries should be killed though.
>>70361818
I'm not sure how you can misinterpret that statement. What did you mean by "holocausting the entire world," then?
>>70362043
Whites will not suddenly become bloodthirsty barbarians overnight hellbent on killing every last nonwhite on the earth.
The one who said "cuck=not genocide" was you. desu you seem like a concern troll.
>>70361447
Here's another one. Frank Collin (Cohen) Jew running American Nazi party.
They used to march through a neighborhood of Holocaust surviviors, which was used as an example for the need to pass hate speech laws in the USA. (fortunately did not succeed)
Don't be the Jewish caricature of a White activist. You hurt the cause.
>>70349626
Can somebody mirror the video so I don't give him a view?
>>70361042
What is white though? White people have historically said that Irish, Scots, Italians, Spaniards, Slavs, Eastern Europeans aren't white. It's basically an Anglo/Aryan thing at its core and you'll find infighting about that as well. It's better to have nationalism for everyone instead of coming up with such a shitty umbrella term. And even if white nationalists could all come to a consensus on not only who is and who isn't white, what to do with mixed races, and what their political ideology is aside from being pro-white(and they can't come to a consensus on any of these things) I could still argue that the entire idea of white identity politics is FUBAR.
>>70361716
No one thinks like that. National socialism wasn't about giving leeches money for free, "worthless leeches", have no place in a national socialist society.
>>70362606
>>70362606
Europeans
>>70361957
Yeah, they did. And who is "them"?
>>70362280
You were the one who implied white people were cucks by not doing so. How is asking you to clarify what you meant, 'concern trolling'.
>>70362606
This is America though.
I think it's a lot easier to just say "white" than enumerate every single european-ethnicity we're referring to.
>>70361623
>NOBODY DOES THAT THO
yeah his twitter is full of edgy extremists calling him a kike shill for not shaving his head and shit
>>70362829
>Yeah, they did. And who is "them"?
Huh? And "them" is obviously referring to shitskins who invaded Europe.
>>70362829
You're simply arguing semantics instead of providing anything useful. You're not interested in trying to understand my point, my point was already obvious: whites will not commit a mass genocide.
>>70362932
and how many of them are just trolls? probably the vast majority.
he does have legitimate points about "14/88ers" and the like but it's not an excuse for him to be a KEK
he's trying to draw in moderates but that just pushes him more towards being a moderate instead of pushing them more towards a general right wing point of view and pushes away anybody who might agree with him otherwise
at one point he interviewed harold covington, now he's cucking it up with alt-right faggots and shitting on people who think "hey, maybe allying with kikes and faggots is a bad idea"
just because people watch his videos doesn't make him the leader of shit either so he should just tone it the fuck down and go back to shitting on leftists
>>70362791
If it is that simple why have so many non-black Europeans been considered non-white throughout history
>>70359471
Memes aside I've seen firsthand what Swedish liberalism has done to Minnesota and I'll say no to Swedes over good hardworking American blacks. Swedes will just let even worse people in. At least with blacks you know you have an honor culture that is resistant to change.
>>70362995
The poster I was replying to was saying that for whites to 'uncuck' themselves, they would have to commit genocide against all non-whites. Okay, but I don't see what that has to do with what we were discussing.
>>70363066
I'm not arguing semantics. Jesus. I understand your point, but according to you, white people are cucks for not doing so.
>>70363929
>I understand your point
Good.
>>70363927
Dude, only 11% of Black college graduates can understand a bus schedule.
Do you know how much murder/rape they commit against us?
He makes some good points
>>70364190
But they are against gay rights and such. I'm just saying there's room for nuance. I don't think if we replaced the southern blacks with white liberals this country would be a better place.
>I'm White and a nationalist but not a white nationalist!
Is basically the new
>Democrats are the real racists!
A weak attempt at being moderate that the left won't care about, they'll still call you Hitler
>>70349626
He's right though. Especially that part about how a lack of leadership means groups shift constantly. If we are ever to get the redpill to the masses in the form of an organized group the way SJWs and feminists do then we need a strong leader to guide us, otherwise the group will be prone to ideology shifting, infighting, and fragmentation.
Democracy kills all strong groups.
>>70363927
Because they were foreigners? European people = white people. You know what a white person is, anon, stop playing dumb.
>>70359646
>Ramzpaul advocates segregation and the elimination of the constant anti-white agenda that pervades our society. That's enough for me, and certainly more realistic than Mega Hitler coming to power.
If whites can't control borders now, then what makes you think we'll control them after segregation? If there is a retreat into a tighter area, and the hordes will move again into more prosperous areas because "muh justice", then the same weakness will be on display yet again.
>>70363927
Ah, wait. I assume you mean the Irish etc? This was only ever a thing in America, and even then it wasn't really a thing. Brits thought the Irish were subhuman, but they never said they weren't white, Germans thought Slavs were subhuman, but they never said they weren't white. You're correct that "white" has been fluid and politicised, but instead of just abandon it is rather redefine it. White = European or European descent.
>>70353547
>y-you have to join our faggy role play group because people will call you hitler anyway!
literally the most retarded reasoning ever. If someone accused a politician or someone of being a pedophile, his best course of action is to deny it, not say "oh well, they called me that so I'll just conform to their salnderous image of me only proving them right. Time to go fuck a kid!"
this nazi power fantasy stuff is fucking retarded and gay
>>70349626
He's right though, what he described is basic psychology they teach that in High School. It's called group polarization.
>>70366148
But like ramzpaul says in one of his videos a lot of eastern Europeans don't even consider themselves white because they have some Tartar blood in their family somewhere, same with Italians have Moorish blood, basically there's no way to enforce white nationalism without a subsequent caste system and a sort of soft eugenics.
>>70366800
the non-white admixture of those groups in minimal
Stormcucks are a racial fertility cult. That's why they get angry when there's asian girl threads here or anti-cunt threads. They honestly believe they must protect white women at all costs.
I want no part in a movement where I have to wife up a white western whore tbqh.
>>70366800
As far as I understand it white nationalism is about nationalism for white countries, who share a similar set of challenges with immigration, feminism, multiculti etc. I personally consider all Europeans white, they can claim not to be if they want, it doesn't really matter.
>>70367567
>I'm beta and white women don't like me so I fetishise muh Asian women.
Pathetic
>>70367263
The 1 drop rule is a favorite autistic meme of the Internet stormcuck.
>>70365163
Nobody cares about how they look to the left.
>>70367567
they got pissed at ramzpaul for having an online discussion with an arab dude. They are fucking insane assholes
>>70367567
they should choose something attainable for them
women don't like racists because racism is unpopular. even if they're racist themselves, it's a subtle, unexamined kind of racism. they won't date a nigger but they probably can't explain why.
racism is unpopular, therefore racists have low social status and women care a great deal about social status. if stormfags really want to procreate with other whites at all costs, they should hide their powerlevels.
>>70367567
so you like chinks with nigger nose?
>>70368054
>hiding your powerlevel
>hiding your opinions to impress women
lad, wew
>>70367983
ramzpaul's views are eminently reasonable and could even be palatable for the mainstream if presented in a sensible and tactful way. he's frustrated about being called a cuck if he doesn't blame every problem on jews or advocate killing all the nonwhites.
he's right. you can have a white identity (or an arab identity, or a black identity) and be a nationalist without wanting to kill off everyone who isn't like you or segregate yourself.
he's the hero race realism needs, not the one we deserve.
>>70368174
it's a good idea not to announce yourself as a stormfag or a neo-nazi if you want a long-term relationship with a wholesome white girl.
>>70367847
Look at this poor deluded stormcuck, angry that someone has escaped the trap he's stuck in.
Enjoy your blown out, BBC loving christfag """""wife""""", cuckold, and your """""""kids""""""
>>70368054
Only faggots are really "racist" in the sense of hating other races.
>>70368328
no one here posts on stormfront
why the fuck do people keep calling me a 'stormfag'
are you coming from somewhere else or do you regularly post here?
>>70368368
I think that's basically true. I want to preserve white identity and white heritage, and I see black people for what they are, but I don't hate them.
I don't hate dogs either. Doesn't mean I have to like them.
>>70368341
Everyone reading your posts knows you literally have never had sex anon, it's ok.
>>70368429
I post here regularly. Stormfag is a term we use for neo-nazis who are influenced by the Stormfront way of thinking.
We're calling you a stormfag because you are one.
>>70368521
I genuinely feel sorry for you if you've had sex with an English woman.
>>70368547
ive literally never heard it as much as ive heard it in this thread
isnt every other thread on this forum anti-jew, anti-racemixing, anti-immigration
i must be dreaming
>>70350145
This. Ramzpaul is right. Stormies want to live in their dark cages away from society.
>>70368547
9 times out of 10 "stormfag" is slung at people who don't like Jews. It's a pathetic JIDF shill tactic. You could make a million threads about how niggers should be strung up and no one would call you a "stormfag", mention that Jews are doing something or that Hitler wasn't an incarnation of evil and suddenly, "muh stormfags".
Actual Stormfronters are complete shit though. The die hards who would never even talk to another race etc.
>>70368763
a lot of people flood the forum with racist nonsense, but real political discussion doesn't often include racist nonsense. I've seen threads with legitimate discourse as well.
It's possible to be anti-immigration and anti-racemixing without being an authoritarian zealot or wanting to gas the kikes 14/88 race war now.
No one over the age of 18 actually wants to re-holocaust.
>>70368341
Can we please stop """""""this""""""" shit.
>>70349626
>>70368886
>angry at the use of 'stormfag'
>uses jidf unironically
nice try
>>70368763
Shill attempt to make /pol/ Jew friendly, been happening since the elections.
>>70356005
No, he's punching a mythical straw man that he himself created. These "1488ers" only exist in his mind. They don't exist, at least not in substantive numbers.
>>70369018
a lot of /pol/ actually isn't extremely anti-semitic, or they recognize the negative influence a lot of jews have without wanting to deport/exterminate every jew in the country.
compare the way israeli posters are treated to the way indian posters are treated.
>>70368763
There is a difference between not wanting them in your country and wanting to kill them all.
>>70368886
>9 times out of 10 "stormfag" is slung at people who don't like Jews
when its slung by left-cucks yes. when its slung by pro-whites, they are in fact referring to a specific strain of aggressively pro-white low IQ retards who infuriate everybody by how retarded and intractable they are
>>70369004
I'm right though. "Muh stormfront" is only ever mentioned when Jews are.
>>70369127
There have been Jews in the United States since before it was the United States. Not wanting them in the country? It's too late.
Next you'll try to get rid of the Irish.
>>70369147
you aren't right. JIDF is just a strawman to imply that posters aren't posting in good faith, that they're controlled by someone else. The truth is there's not a lot of actual organized shilling going on here because it's not that important.
Stormfag is an insult, JIDF is an indictment. Big difference.
>>70369233
they destroyed our nation, idiot
educate yourself
>inb4 stormfag!!!!
get out
>>70369134
They aren't though. Those people exist, but they don't post on /pol/. /pol/ is far too degenerate and the board culture is too subtle for Stormfronters.
>>70367958
Clearly thisbfaggot does, or else he wouldn't be signalling so hard how much of a moderate he is
>>70369349
"they destroyed our nation"
By helping to create some of our biggest industries and driving some of our most important innovations, developing our most powerful weapons, and providing half the genetic material for one of our most based politicians?
(Goldwater)
Also Judah P. Benjamin.
>>70369312
I'm still right anon, I don't care about JIDF, it was just a throwaway comment.
>>70369467
"I'm still right"
"It was just a throwaway comment, I'm not that into this discussion"
Cool story.
>>70368886
And that's exactly what this entire underlying ordeal is about. "1488er", similar to "stormfag", is a vague, broad-sweeping term designed to insult white activists that don't fall in line with the "kosher" philo-semetic thinking of people like RamZPaul.
>>70369595
Fuck off you literal retard. "JIDF" is irrelevant to my post. The fact is a small minority of /pol/ gets butthurt whenever Jews are mentioned and that is 9 times out of 10 when they start spouting about "stormfags".
Post about how you think all Muslims should be killed? No accusations of stormfaggotry. Post about how the Jews control the media, or how the holocaust didn't happen how we are told? Baaw muh stormfags.
>>70369687
That's ridiculous though. Ramzpaul has talked about the undue influence Jews have on American life before. He doesn't ignore the Jewish question.
But having a slightly different opinion than the 14/88 gas the kikes race war now prison gang mentality is enough to get called a kosher cuckservative these days.
>>70369456
no by spearheading the legislation that made us minorities in our own countries
you are not from here, get out
>>70369687
Yeah, that's my problem with it. Not that these types of skin headed retards don't exist, but they are such a measly amount with absolutely no influence. What's the point in attacking them?
>>70369821
Stormfags are clearly delineated by their abject hatred of all Jews.
People very rarely post about killing all the Muslims except when it's a hypothetical "push a button, this group gets killed" thread. There are way more threads about reholocaust, so your argument is invalid.
The holocaust didn't happen is right up there with 9/11 was an inside job, dude.
quad get
>>70369991
I am from here and I'm not leaving!
>>70370010
It's not. /pol/ regularly talks about how every muslim should be killed etc, or how coal burners should be killed etc. If you are in anyway pro-white, reality will present you many reasons to not like Jews.
>>70370295
Those are children's threads, half a step up from /b/. Anything short of reholocaust is considered philosemitic to some people. They think "Hitler did nothing wrong" is actually true. It's not.
>>70369456
>By helping to create some of our biggest industries and driving some of our most important innovations, developing our most powerful weapons, and providing half the genetic material for one of our most based politicians?
>our
I have some bad news for you.
>>70370546
Shut up Iceland. The only thing that you people prove is that you can have essentially zero Jews and still completely wreck your nation's financial system.
You are an argument for everything I've said and don't even know it.
Shut up or we'll nuke you with our Jewish-produced atomic bombs.
>>70370681
>hurr durr imma beat you up
Ladies and gentlemen, here you may see the "superior" Jewish intellect and debate talent on display. Just bluster and posturing. How puerile.
Will the alt right make anime real?
>>70349626
Why the fuck does /pol/ not like Paul Ramzay?? You fucking faggots are too edgy.
>>70371092
We do. Stormfags don't.
/pol/ mindhive called out
>>70370898
Just pointing out the reality; you wrecked your own financial system with virtually no Jews in your country.
And that Jews helped us beat the Japs.
This guy and his little army of half-way cuckboys aren't going to stop me from hating niggers and kikes.
>e-celeb cancer even has to spread to /pol/
go talk about sargon and ramzpaul on youtube faggots
>>70371208
>just pointing out reality
So? You ignored the point I made to you and simply repeated yourself.
Your understanding of the financial crisis is rather lopsided, to say the least. The crisis was international, and at least we defied the internationalists after the collapse while you bailed out your own vultures.
BTW: I don't give a shit about you beating the Japs. Not to mention you had them beat anyway at the time you dropped those bombs.
>>70349626
I have no idea who this guy is but he seems pretty sensible IMO. Nobody is going to take nazi cosplayers seriously.
>>70371703
That's not true. Without the bombs we likely would have had to invade Japan, which would have fucking sucked for the US and Japan.
>>70371832
that group doesn't exist, thats the point
>>70371840
Still ignoring things? I guess that's a concession.
But regardless. You had Japan beat for all intents and purposed. There was literally no way that they could have prevailed or survived at that point. Would it have cost you more? Probably. But that would not have changed the outcome.
>>70371840
absolutely false history. infact, the last 6 months of the war could have been avoided. japan was willing to surrender before hand.
>>70371832
Nobody is going to take any form of nationalism seriously.
As long as that false version of history holds sway it will be used to extinguish any move towards white racial consciousness as soon as it flickers to life. The 'nazi' myth is the problem.
>>70349626
>White nationalism is a cult!
Ok,then so is nigger/black nationalism,spic nationalism,Asian nationalism etc.
If one thing is a cult then they all are cults by definition.
>>70374348
nope, because no other group thinks they have to moderate themselves
>>70375475
bump
>>70376685
I suspect it's just us lurking at this point.
>>70376935
It's either be a moderate American nationalist and emulate those European nationalist parties or say goodbye to any potential American nation. The choice is in our hands.
>>70377468
or secession, which is what we need
