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who was the true hero of WW2 ?
>>70323156
I want to fuck a velociraptor so badly...
The Russians did the most, objectively yes.
but tbf thats only because of Hitler's autistic winter death march
>>70323156
Hitler but for his many graces lacked proper decision making when it really counted
The jews were the true heroes
>>70323156
The banks.
>>70323281
He was already out of fuel and steel,the war was lost either way
He just tried to get some from the russians to be able to win the war
Western front
20 German divisions
Eastern front
200 German divisions
>>70323156
HItler
>>70323156
Change UK into ducks, that basically what they did: fleeing by the sea to hide on their isle.
The Russians did most of the work but it wasn't anything better than sending wave after waves of men to die until the enemy ran out of ammo. Operation Barbarossa, it looked so bad for them at the beginning. Almost 100,000 troops (can you even imagine how this looks in real life) getting captured or taken prisoner at every battle. It was a farce.
They sacrificed the most in my opinion, but they didn't win heroically or tactically, just with brute force and their overwhelming supply of uneducated peasants to die for them. Oh, and also Lend-Lease. Don't forget about that. Something like 45% of Russia's non-armored vehicles were supplied by America.
>>70323156
ordinary people who were sacrificed by their governments.
The Russians won the war in the same way that an infinite amount of bees would stop a chainsaw
The only reason they won was because they kept grinding their massive amount of potato farmers against the Nazis until nothing of them was left
So why do we hail them as heroes for simply having enough useless citizens to throw into the Nazi machine until the gears jammed?
>>70323156
>only French dinosaur has feathers
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70323156
Russia, you have to be a fucktard to think otherwise ( assuming you had some "good" history classes)
>>70323528
Only after your entire nation collapsed under the weight of it's own cowardice.
Israel :^)
>>70323572
>Lend lease
This... Russians (and other allies for that matter) benefitted from US equipment
>>70323156
USA and the people influencing it joined at the end of WWII in order to control half of Europe, they still do to this day.
>>70323528
British are the ducks
French are the cucks
sounds about right
>>70323399
>out of fuel and steel
>with the whole Europe except for EU on his side
ﾜﾛﾀ
>>70323253
/thread
maybe if the americasaur fed the ussrsaur over 50% of its supplies and weapons for over 4 years
>>70323528
WHITE
>>70323873
FLAG
>Fight against fascism
>URSS
>Not fascist
OK
>>70323156
The communists got flattened when they were on the offensive because the only advantage they had was their winter
The only thing the UK ever did was help US troops get over seas with their navy because Hitler was destroying us with unterseeboots
France was taken over just like Poland so I don't know why they're even on here
The only reason the allies were able to beat Germany was because we mass produced shitty sherman tanks to outnumber the nearly invincible tiger tanks
Hitler would have won WWII if we already had the anti war hippies protesting and forcing car factories to stop mass producing tanks
>>70323253
fpbp
>>70323156
>Any Spanish speaking nation commenting on war after 1700
>>70323935
The hippies were a thing because of how ridiculously unjustifiable the Vietnam War was.
>>70323812
Did they return the junk after the war?
since it was leased?
I bet it stank of pig ass, vomit and littered with cigarette butts and half the shit was broken or taken off.
Russians had to fight 75% of the german's troops on the eastern front
They were blitz'd up to their three main cities: Leningrad, Stalingrad, and Moscow. Had even one of them fallen they could've lost the war
However they had some good generals and a shit ton of troops and managed to hold out against the vastly superior germans who were slowly collapsing on the western front and withdrawing troops to hold back the red army
>charging machine gun nests over and over is """"""""""""""""""""""""helping"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>70323156
> I don't speak spic
>Lend Lease
>Russia's suicidal wave of men
>Mass cheap but effective equipment
>weather and land area
Pretty easy to see why Russia was able to repel the Germans eventually. Initially the Germans pushed the Russians shit in with ease. Any western alliance with Germany would have devastated Russia.
>>70323156
The Nazis. If you haven't learned that yet you're fucking lost.
>>70323156
Russian blood, British brains, American brawn.
>>70324028
Elaborate how stopping the spread of communism is unjustified. There were Vietnamese that fought with us so I want to know how it was completely unjustified.
>>70323399
What the fuck are you talking about
>hur the Germans didn't have fuel or steel from the get go
Are you atually retarded or just pretending?
>>70323673
this. My autism intensifies
>>70323399
You know Germans had control of North Africa and were allied with the Muslim Middle East right?
>>70324169
communism was just a politically appropriate bullshit excuse.
Since communism was the boogeyman which most people were dead afraid of, especially these christian suckers.
Corproations like Ford and General Motors needed Vietnam's vast and rich source of rubber.
That was the motive for invading vietnam
>>70324030
Well they didn't return any of the countries they occupied...
>>70324169
I really don't want to get into it with somebody who thinks any part of Vietnam was a smart move on the American's part right now, I haven't even had breakfast yet. Sorry senpai
>>70323156
the axis were, only ones who fought the banks and knew you cannot do good by trying to be 100% good, you just cant. you are cunt by pretending you are smart enough or your group is smart enough to execute justice while being 100% good
depression was the fault of the banks
>i-it was winter!
>i-it was infinite cannon fodder!
>muh land lease!
Love the burger butthurt ITT.
Soviet Union.
The best german divisions i believe around 2 million were sent to the east and got their shit pushed in.
the burgers and us fought off a much smaller force, if the other divisions werent sent to fight the ruskies we would of got BTFO desu.
>>70323935
>The only thing the UK ever did was help US troops get over seas with their navy because Hitler was destroying us with unterseeboots
You say that as if the US could ever had landed a sizeable force in Europe if the British had capitulated.
The Royal Navy allowed the US to concentrate its fleets in the Pacific against Japan, the British north Africa campaign stopped Germany from getting unlimited amounts of oil in the middle east and the battle of Britain wiped out most of Germany's professional Luftwaffe pilots through attrition.
What is it with Americans and thinking they won on their own? It was due to the whole alliance playing their parts...well except for France
>>70324310
Explain why we fought the Korean war then
>>70323156
> /left/pol being nigger tier with history
Is this the WE WUZ BOLZHEVIKZ fanfic version of WWII? I guess Stalin was just being nice not turning right around and devouring the capitalist pigs for desert after the fascist main course?
>>70323156
>throwing wave after-wave of human cannon fodder is "doing more"
lel K
US theaters of war
>western europe
>africa
>pacific ocean
>east asia
Russian theaters of war
>eastern europe
Oh and a nice little land-grab in Manchuria
also
>painting shit-tier giganotosaurus as more bad-ass than Tyrannosaurus
>>70324334
Vietnam was a political fuck fest. The war had political reasoning for happening but it was partly due to communist aggression. I don't understand how people were so ass hurt about the facists in Spain and Poland, which no one cared about the soviets taking.
>let's stop aggression
>just not communist aggresion
>>70323156
Someone doubts?
>>70324438
Plus grabbing more Japanese clay.
>>70324395
No I said as it's the only useful thing you could do considering the RAF got shit on by the Luftwaffe and you didn't have the capability to mass produce armor like us.
Russia, America... both were cunts. There is no real difference if you're European.
>Who was the true hero of WW2
>Implying it was anyone on the left
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the men who fought against the Axis, my grandfather was one of them. I'm just saying that on the political scale, maybe the wrong people won the war.
>>70324438
>oh no we had more theaters of war!
>>70324438
This. Other countries mobilized on a ridiculous level.
>Russia
Literally the eastern front. Congrats on letting the Germans freeze to death? The Finns did the same thing to the Ruskies but even in a more hilarious fashion.
>>70324539
This
Is exactly how I feel. Danke mein komraden
>>70324384
Parkour is a sandnigger thing.
The true french martial art is the Savate stupid anglo.
>france is chicken shit
>>70323156
The heros where the axis who were trying to save us all from the jews and you fucking commie leftist marxist pieces of shit allies ruined it for all of us. GOD DAMN I HATE YOU
>>70324535
also the general opinion here is that if we didn't get involved Hitler would have won that's why people think we were more important than other allies.
We all played our part, but if the U.S. didn't show up undoubtedly Hitler would have won.
>>70324364
The winter did play a part.
>human waves
Are you denying that the Soviet Union threw a fuck ton of men at the axis? Because that's what happened.
>lend lease
It was helpful, read pic related. He details the fuck ton of shit the Soviet Union received in the war against the axis.
>>70324596
>being this upset because great uncle Dmitry got to serve his country for 12 minutes before getting cut in half by an MG-42
>>70323935
A burger with actual history knowledge. I´m in awe.
>>70324596
how does it feel know you wouldn't have been able to mobilize your artillery if it weren't for lend lease.
And even with foreign aid your people still died by the millions
>>70323605
That's only true for the first half of the war, the Soviets managed to win with strategy and tactics later on. The real big thingwas that they were able to modernise their country while being attacked by the Germans.
>>70324245
>>70323673
My pain is known.
>>70324535
>the RAF got shit on by the Luftwaffe
Troll or retard confirmed
without us logistical and material support Russia would have never defeated Germany
US industry won WWII period.
>>70323156
>Ecuador
I guess that explains why you're so fucking retarded
>>70324364
at least I don't live in the second world
>>70324310
>America invaded Vietnam because it needs natural resources!
>drop 20 million gallons of agent orange and destroy 5 million acres of forest
America is always the hero.
>>70324747
My great grandfather was wounded in Stalingrad and returned to the front year later. You are welcome, shitter.
>>70324395
Stop putting words in people's mouths, no rational person thinks they won the war on their own.
>>70324597
>The Finns did the same thing to the Ruskies but even in a more hilarious fashion.
Well, Soviet Union won Winter War...
>>70323156
Hitler. The Soviets were the villains of the story, as became increasingly obvious after the war.
>>70324749
Not really, he's ignoring British contributions in the North African and South East Asian fronts.
>>70324800
what happened here sprinklebread
the legendary RAF defending their capital with flying colors I presume
>>70324743
>It was helpful
Now thats an understatement. Without lend lease, especially the amount of trucks and trains, the soviets would have never been able to push the frontlines through poland to germany. The eastern front would have been a stalement for the soviets at best without lend lease.
>>70324784
Is this a depiction of the great Emu war?
>>70324757
>And even with foreign aid your people still died by the millions
Mostly because Stalin was shitty commander and proved it many times since Civil War. Supplies and unarmored vehicles were really helpful, tanks and planes were shit.
>>70324966
I also left out the fact that we took on the Pacific front by ourselves.
>>70324310
Facism was just a politically appropriate bullshit excuse.
Since facism was the boogeyman which most people were dead afraid of, especially these christian suckers.
Corproations like Hitler and tojo needed Europes vast and rich source of rubber.
That was the motive for declaring all out war on facism. Communism was good boy doh.
>>70324973
Night bombing raids you fucking idiot
>>70323156
Hitler
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
>>70323156
Nazi dino should be a bit bigger, otherwise the bottom is accurate.
>>70323156
no
the soviets would have capitulated if it weren't for Britain and America.
>>70323935
>The only thing the UK ever did was help US troops get over seas with their navy because Hitler was destroying us with unterseeboots
they also blockaded the vast majority of German ports and played a leading role in pushing the Germans and Italians out of Africa.
>>70324966
aw shut up. You tiny shitty island started to starve (just like in WW1) due to german submarines, your navy never learns. Even churchill said in his massive book series after the war that the german subs nearly forced britain to surrender because all supply lines were fucked.
The US saved your ass both times, for the same reasons, your island lacked food (though you came way closer to starvation in WW1 than in WW2).
>>70323156
Fixed it for you.
>>70324846
They did that when US generals saw this war wasnt going anywhere and first signs that US military may be pulling out appeared.
In an attempt to destroyed the rubber plantations so China and russias wouldnt have much use of them either.
communism was just a wat to get shitloads of butthurt stupid christfaggots to enlist in this war.
It was about money, it's always about money.
>>70324535
>considering the RAF got shit on by the Luftwaffe
How? The BoB was brutal for both sides but the RAF definitely won.
>you didn't have the capability to mass produce armor like us.
That's due to simple geography and timing. The British, Germans and Japanese were fighting a world war for 2 years before the Americans and Russians so were already partially depleted resource wise world war add that to the US's abundance of manpower and resources in the early 40's and it's obvious they could produce more.
Imagine if Germany had conquered Britain and the USSR and then had two years of peace. They're production levels would've matched, if not exceeded the US levels
>>70325081
So Australia doesn't exist? Alright mate.
>>70325168
>implying Britain was restricted to the British Isles
>what was the British Empire
>>70324902
>where he raped women all through to Europe utility he reached the actual people who invaded.
Yeah thank you for your nigger like grandpa.
>>70323713
Not really... UK troops fled as soon as the fight began leaving the continent unscattered. The French continued fighting alone for three weeks, suffered 360k casualties.
>>70325174
Holy shit lel
>>70325087
yeah that's what wars are all about, facing your opponents head on like a redcoated faggot
crafty german air force cheated!!
>>70323281
Russia would have been fucked without Lend Lease and the UK keeping Hitler interested. Stalin was screaming for a second front for years and, were it not for Hitler's weird quest to tie up all of his attenuated supply lines with Stalingrad, things might have been different.
I'd say Britain did more than anyone else in all honesty. Obviously dependent on Lend-Lease too but holding off per-Barbarossa Germany was pretty impressive.
It doesn't matter who won, because the Allies fought the wrong enemy. I wish they had wiped out the Soviets so hard that Communism and Marxism would never plague us like they did today.
>>70325174
TOP FUCKING KEK
THROUGH THE GATES OF HELL
AS WE MAKE OUR WAY TO HEAVEN
>>70324804
Yeah, WWII was the war of industrial might and strategic bombing. Germany and Japan banked on lightning fast strikes to stun the enemy, grab loads of territory, and making peace afterwards. But as anyone who has ever played EU IV can tell you, that's a risky gambit.
Honestly, following WWI, Germany should have known that going into a war without serious long range strike capability is folly.
>>70325246
>implying Britain was restricted to the British Isles
>what was the British Empire
You would still surrender if british mainland starts dying en masse. You think the governemt would just let the british mainland die and fuck off to another colony? Well ok I would say the anglos would do that but mainland britain being lost would have taken you out of the war and with that, the western front for germany => more troops against soviets and africa.
>>70325087
OH THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!
THROUGH THE NAZI LINES
PRIMO VICTORIA
>>70325267
Rape wasn't more common than in other warzones in history.
ON THE 6TH OF JUNE
ON THE SHORES OF WESTERN EUROPE
1944
D-DAY UPON US!
>>70325419
>Honestly, following WWI, Germany should have known that going into a war without serious long range strike capability is folly.
And still they defeated russia, started staving britain (and were close to surrender) and the troops coming from the east would have overrun france without an enemy ever getting into german territory. Yet, thanks do the belfourt declaration, the US came in and saved UK´s ass.
>>70325081
no we didn't
the brits had loads of troops fighting in south east asia (which too be fair, mostly just kept the Japanese army preoccupied) and the Australians had a navy and army helping US forces too.
>>70325246
Yes, that was what I was implying since they were insignificant enough that them not fighting with us wouldn't have changed the outcome.
>>70324973
Ah yes, Churchill using his own people as a shield. Quite brilliant of that old, fat bastard.
>>70324973
The Blitz wasn't a battle, it was a series of raids that weren't really possible to defend against.
The RAF did similar raids on German cities.
>American education.
>>70325246
>British Empire
A joke in the 20th century who destroyed itself by giving it up. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
>>70324743
The war lasted 4+ years and most of the battles weren't fought in winter.
And Germans had to mobilize fucking children to fight the Red Army. It was a largest war in history with millions men fighting on both sides.
>but muh casualties
Yes, if we had burned all German cities to the ground, occupied, starved and built concentration death camps for them, their casualties would have been just as high if not higher. Granted, we had incompetent generals during the first phase of war, but later that changed.
Sure, it was helpful, without a doubt. Except most of it arrived when the tide of war was already changing and we would have won even without it, just with more effort.
>>70323156
Nazi germany ofc.
>>70325269
You'd still be occupied today if we hadn't continued the fight globally alone for the following few years.
>>70323406
Ding ding ding!
Germany never had less than 50 % of their troops on the eastern front and over 75% throughout the war.
The US, Europe & all the UK colonies fought less than the based Soviets and killed less Germans.
The Soviets also had the biggest military. There's a youtube audio of Hitler tripping balls over how many tanks the soviets had.
The winter being the only reason for Hitler's losses is allied propaganda
>>70325155
>Nazi dino should be a bit bigger
Why? German troops were outnumbered in most of the battles they faced.
>>70325455
>this one thing that you prevented is the reason you won the war
>using alternate history as an argument
Hey, I'm all for a German victory in WW2 but your argument is moronic.
>>70325550
Thanks goodness the middle east knows you're actualyl broken pussies and have nothign to fear from yous. :)
You wont have as much luck with them unlike with yurop. :)
>>70323156
That is just pure Quesadilla. What does it say?
>>70324973
So if i post a picture of Pearl Harbour or the Philippines it means the US lost the Pacific Air war right?
>>70325289
Think about the technology back then and how much more difficult it was for fighters and ack ack to bring down bombers under darkness.
I thought we were supposed to be the biggest shitposters on this board. Thanks for taking the title from us you dense cunt.
>>70325174
>noticed filename now
i'm done
>>70323156
obviously the russians
THEY were the ones who marched to Berlin, not the amerishits
>>70323156
Without UK and USA inteligence and supply, would be impossible to USSR hold Nazi-Germany advance on east front.
Without USSR man-power, would be impossible to UK and USA enter in Nazi-Germany controled territories and impossible to win west front.
Simple as that.
>>70325174
>>70325760
The alternative was gasteroid.
>>70323713
>expeditionary force btfo on the mainland
Yeah okay, The Germans gave mercy at Dunkirk and you still act like your force was just leaving because the French fell. The force was fucked up by German troops and armor.
>>70323368
The jews can take the heat.
>>70325174
Saved.
>>70323156
The most work in Europe was made by the Soviet Union (with the help of Allies after 1944). The US made the most work in the Pacific region, however, The Soviet Union also participated in defeating the Japanese forces after the German defeat in Europe. In particular, the Japanese Army in China was defeated by the Red Army.
>Soviets lose millions of men due to autistic Stalin purgin his generals in fear of a coup before the war
>We are meant to sympathise with them becuase of their atrocious military tactics, under the knowledge that they mostly won the war through the winter, sheer manpower, stretched supply line and a healthy dose of resilience in the average Russian soldier
>>70324310
>Corproations like Ford and General Motors needed Vietnam's vast and rich source of rubber.
WE MAKE RUBBER OUT OF THE VAST AMOUNTS OF PETROLEUM WE HAVE YOU FUCKING IDIOT
we went into Vietnam because, first, France asked us to help and then the south Vietnamese asked us to help and we didn't want more pro-soviet states in the region.
>>70325648
Britain still had control over a large amount of territory during WW2.
Your misinformation and memery doesn't change that.
>>70325702
The only broken pussy around here is your bitch's after I fucked her
>>70325648
This is where I lose all respect for you guys, you just use memes to push aside the fact that Britain had imperial troops fighting on virtually every front of the war making huge contributions.
>>70323156
Very funny.
>>70325756
???????
>>70325896
>>70325924
Sorry my countrymen are such fucking idiots.
>>70325845
is this why so many of them are fucking off to yurop from pissrael as Muhammad grows tired of their shit?
>>70325954
You're proving my point mate.
>>70325651
>mobilize children
When you were fucking steam rolling.
>winter
There was a really bad winter almost at the get go which made roads almost into slush. Literally made their trucks and tanks stuck.
>lend lease later
I agree part came later but a shit ton was sent early on, FDR was ready to Suck Stalin dick so it doesn't Suprised me that the dude also ignored all soviet atrocities like Churchill at least cast his doubt about being allies with.
It should be the giant t Rex getting eaten and the smaller ones save him.
>>70323156
Russians of course. We defeated germans. But I thank USA for Japan, they could fuck us up if not the bombs.
>>70325954
>???????
This is exactly what they were thinking when searching for planes
>>70326007
Source? From all sources that I've seen it's the other way around due to increasing Islamic population in Europe.
Reminder that the UK and USA fought the wrong country
>>70325924
>fighting on every continent
Never said that, but keep fighting shit people didn't say to get mad about.
>>70325896
>we had empire
AND YOU STILL GAVE IT UP. Fucking read the post it didn't say you gave it up right after the war, you still just surrendered your empire which was kick ass but fuck you for doing it.
>>70323935
>nearly invincible tiger tanks
They broke down pretty often and were too intricate for average soldiers to repair in tense situations, unlike the Soviet and American tanks
>>70325419
>>70325621
sorry i´ve read your post wrong.
>>70325954
Fucking kek.
>>70325621
>the US came in and saved UK´s ass.
Just like in WWI, when long-range capability was also a massive problem for Germany. But a good strategic bombing campaign would have knocked Britain out of the war, regardless of American help. And it's not like the Nazi's had a problem bombing civilians.
>>70325672
Nazi dino should stand out from Italian and Japanese one.
Make it bigger or make it a different species.
>>70325954
Fucking hell mate, you're really not helping the stereotype here. All those brilliant and smart people in the world at that time and you single handedly have shown a fool proof way of stopping night time raids with 1940s technology
>>70325246
>>implying Britain was restricted to the British Isles
>>what was the British Empire
That is correct. But not too many people in England wanted the war since they were still remembering the aftermath of the first part of World War. When the British troops were surrounded at Dunkirk the British shipping companies refused to make their ships available since they were too afraid of the losses. The public mood was at a tipping point at that time.
A peaceful resolution would still have been possible then.
>>70323156
Gernany
>>70326203
Direct quote
>British Empire
>A joke in the 20th century who destroyed itself by giving it up. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
You're basically saying that since the British Empire collapsed AFTER the war, it was useless and did nothing DURING the war.
>>70326258
Another fucking idiot.
What sought of utopia would we be living in if the Allies attacked the Soviet Union with Germany instead of today?
>>70323812
USSR had 3 times less lend lease help than UK.
>>70326365
>A peaceful resolution would still have been possible then.
Yeah well don't blame us, blame our Jew-cucked government
>>70326339
get more lights if you don't want to get nightraded faggot
>>70323156
où sont les preuves
>>70325954
Those shitty lights were literally all they had. They were more of a deterrant to the bombers, a way of saying "We know you're here faggots" than an actual way to assist in shooting them down.
>>70323156
> France
lel
>>70325651
Pfffft, my grandparents had to run from you crazy commie bastards, and they are clear on one thing: The Russian ranks were fucking retarded. When they encountered toilets, they tried to wash themselves in them and complained the water only lasted for such a short time. But what else could they do? They had already shat in the bathtubs...
>>70323156
Yes
The Germany army was already being kicked to shit by Stalin's conscript hordes before Uncle Sam ever stepped in
>>70325954
These things barely did shit. The from 1940-1944 the brits mostly send bombers at night to kill civilians because they couldn´t get through german air defenses during the day.
>>70323156
True/10
>>70326528
This.
Not something to be proud of. But both sides did it.
Reminder
>>70326491
Funny thing about planes is that they move you thick cunt
>tumblr image
I almost envy people who care so much about it that they are ready to praise whoever defeated the Nazis no question asked. Even if whoever did this was their allied first and only changed sides out of convenience.
It's probably the most useless debate about WWII.
>>70323673
came to post this
>>70323156
We were you fucking cunt.
Also
Heil Hitler
>>70325926
It is funny to hear it from Poland after what you have done with Czechoslovakia together with the Germans.
>>70326402
No I didn't, no where in there does it say
>Britain did nothing in the war
>Britain didn't have troos throughout the world fighting in the war
>Britain gave up its empire right after the second world war
What next you'll tell me I said June 12th 1945 England got rid of its empire.
>>70326491
It's literally the same guy every time using middle school tier logic, WEW LAD
>>70323406
>Twenty Divisions
There were seven divisions just on Sicily (2 German, 5 Italian).
And don't get me started on the Italian Campaign.
>>70326271
>good strategic bombing campaign would have knocked Britain out of the war
That´s true. Britain and Germany both made the same mistakes in both wars. Britain got fucked by german submarines and Germany never prepared for a war against Britain (i.e. long range stuff to attack the island). Hitler didn´t want war with britain and Wilhelm II didn´t either. Why did they have to think britain was so important....
>>70326678
Fucking kek.
>>70323156
ss divisions
>>70325220
Except that's fucking wrong, Operation Ranch Hand started in '62, way before the Tet Offensive and a time when the American public thought they could easily win. Come on Poland, I know you wanna think the US as some imperial empire but not everything is about resources
>>70326427
FUCKING KEK.
USA won the war, sorry Putin lovers.
Daily reminder there would be no war if Soviets didn't help Hitler in the firt place
>>70326399
R A R E
A
R
E
cyka blyat
>>70326710
You've got some serious issues with reading comprehension.
>>70326271
>And it's not like the Nazi's had a problem bombing civilians.
Actually it was the brits that started bombing civilians en masse. The london blitz was just a response to that. German luftwaffe focused on precision bombings and not mass bombings. Of course many civilians died in the process but they never bombed civilian areas deliberately (except the london blitz).
>>70323605
>The Russians won the war in the same way that an infinite amount of bees would stop a chainsaw
This gave me a funny mental picture
Gotta give a hand to mother Russia's best defence though: her winter
Saw some Russian folk song on /wsg/ about that and when they're retreating it's the opposite. Actually made me choke up a bit
>>70326171
To be perfectly honest we did, even with /pol/ memes aside.
I think if the full consequences of the war had been known beforehand a shitty little guarantee for Poland would have been disregarded in favour of supporting the Nazis.
Communism was definitely the greater of two evils and every single person in the world realised this the moment the war was over.
If it wasn't for "muh jews" the world would still agree today as well.
>>70326741
NIGHT RAID GET DOWN REDCOAT
>>70324297
>Germans had control of North Africa
Monty begs to differ
>>70325671
again, the soviets were only able to deploy so many tanks because of US and British supplies sent to the soviets
we're talking about a military that couldn't arm or feed huge amounts of its soldiers even when the rest of its allies were sending it arms and food along with the logistical capacity to get to the front lines.
the eastern front was very nearly a stalemate despite all the resources the rest of the allied nations dumped into the USSR.
>>70326751
The most powerful kraut to exist was a cuck for the eternal anglo
>>70326849
Topkek
>Poland can also into space
>>70326900
This confirms my suspicions
>>70323605
They had 10-1 losses with the bulk of losses in the beginning of the war. That's not waves of people sent against the machine guns. It's bad, but it's not how you think bad. They had terrible field officers and they were behind in technology. Still try to gang up 300 vs 30 US army soldiers and see if you will win. They've won.
>>70326746
>7 divisions in the west
No there wasn't you fucking liar.
http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/134-campaigns-a-operations/campaigns-a-operations/2085-number-of-german-divisions-by-front-in-world-war-ii
>>70326307
But why should it stand out?
Japan's army at the time was already big since it was trying to occupy parts of China and Italy had a huge number already in Africa.
>>70326849
Implying your horses were superior to German tanks
>>70325621
>the US came in and saved UK´s ass.
dank meme.
Britain could have held out indefinitely against Germany since invasion of mainland Britain was impossible. Even today it's generally agreed among top US generals that only their country could invade Britain due to its geography.
Britain needed help liberating Europe, but not defending itself.
>>70326849
Yeah, it's not like nazis wanted lebensraum or anything.
>>70326868
Are you fucking kidding me? You're the retard who keeps thinking he sees some hidden message. Point out where I said any of the things listed.
>>70326849
There would have been no war if Hitler didn't invade Poland prior to the Winter War.
He could have come to the aid of finland in some anti-commie crusade and the western powers would have been hoping on his dick
>>70326705
>after what you have done with Czechoslovakia together with the Germans
You mean taking back this little piece of land they stole from us in 1920 when we were facing off the Soviet invasion?
Oy vey, what a Shoah.
>>70325220
They 'invaded' Vietnam to stop the spread of communism in South Vietnam, and arguably (if the Gulf of Tonkin was staged) to roll back the frontiers of communism from North Vietnam.
>>70323156
USSR should be a bunch of those little spitting dinosaurs and the USA should be shoveling burgers down their throats and giving them tanks.
USSR literally just threw a bunch of bodies into the Nazi war machine to clog it up rofl.
>>70326467
You forget that the UK also shipped lots of stuff to the USSR. Here have some numbers:
"help" from the USA to USSR via alaska:
>427.284 trucks
>50.501 Jeeps
>595 Ships
>13.303 "towing machines and armored personell carriers"
>35.041 motorcycles
>8.000 "train track building machines"
>1.981 Locomotives
>11.155 Train wagons
>113.300 tons of explosives
>3.820.000 tons of food
>2.317.000 tons of steel
>15.000.000 pairs of boots
>9.681 Fighter airplanes
>3.632 Bombers
Between June 1941 and May 1945, Britain delivered to the USSR:
>3,000+ Hurricanes
>4,000+ other aircraft
>27 naval vessels
>5,218 tanks
>5,000+ anti-tank guns
>4,020 ambulances and trucks
>323 machinery trucks
>2,560 Universal Carriers
>1,721 motorcycles
>£1.15bn worth of aircraft engines
>600 radar and sonar sets
>Hundreds of naval guns
>15 million pairs of boots
90% of the supplies transported by the russians were using American motors. Also around 60% of the supply vehicles (trucks and trains) that the soviets used were from US/UK
More than anything else this probably shortened the war by 2 years.
>In addition, the Achilles heel of the Soviet Army was communication and transport. The Soviet industry simply could not meet the demand either in number or in quality.
>For example, the army lost 58 percent of its vehicles in 1941 alone. To recover these losses, the Allies supplied more than 400,000 vehicles, mainly trucks, to the USSR.
...
>The Allies supplied 1900 locomotives to the USSR, while only 446 locomotives were produced in the country itself during the same period, as well as 11,000 carriages, while only a few more than 1,000 were made in the USSR.
Its quite true to say the trunback of the Germans in 41 was all Russian, but the advances after that were allied underwritten.
http://rbth.com/business/2015/05/08/allies_gave_soviets_130_billion_under_lend-lease_45879.html
>>70326919
Before or after him running back from the Desert Fox?
>>70326849
>Russians wait until Germany conqueres Poland
>they then rush in afterwards to claim a bunch of dirt for themselves
>"RUSSIA STRONK!"
>just forget about how Poland beat the shit out of Russia in 1920s
>proceed to slaughter innocent civilians and blame it on the nazis
Russia really was a piece of shit country.
>>70326705
Together? Like right after we denied them partnership? Now we debate if we should've joined them. But the fact is that we didn't. And that someone else did.
Also Czech were total cunts in 1918. It was unnecessary to take these two or so Polish cities back but it was better for the citizens. At least for some time.
>>70325781
I saw the country flag, I knew my country "comrade" would say something like that.
VIVA FUJIMORI, ROJETES MALNACIDOS.
>>70326849
Daily remider there would be no war if Poland didn't help Hitler to occupy Czechoslovakia.
The war was won with American industry, British spies and Russian blood.
Each nation did their part well.
UK - Fought start to finish, rekt the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain, kicked Jerry out of North Africa, helped a bit in Asia (see Burma)
USA - Constantly producing weapons, ammo, vehicles etc. Took most of the brunt during the Pacific campaign against Tojo, and helped liberate Europe
Russia - Tied up most of the German forces in the East, and pushed them back with brute force and sheer numbers.
Things that didn't happen:
>USA winning by themselves
>UK winning by themselves
>Russia winning by themselves
>France actually doing some fighting
Stay mad French cucks.
The USSR would have fell if not for the constant support of the US
>>70323156
Except Russia had nothing to do with the war against Japan or Italy, and the only reason they didn't lose is because of bad strategy by the Germans and us sending them a ton of stuff to fight the Germans. They were basically just sending any dude over there and giving them a gun and going "Go nuts, fella". It was a nightmare.
>>70327090
>Americans say only America could invade Britain
They're wrong. Anyone can invade Britain if they're smart enough. All you need to do is take advantage of the socio-economic conflicts in the country, i.e. scots vs. anglos, welsh vs. anglos, irish vs. anglos, anglos vs. anglos (you get the idea). From there, invading Britain is easy.
>>70327158
>Implying Rommel wasn't defeated in the end
>>70326962
>t. Muhammad Ali
>>70327093
Not only did you help them to ivade us in 1939, but also provided them food and supplies during their campaign in France.
Hitler would have never got where he was without Stalin's help.
>>70326922
>again, the soviets were only able to deploy so many tanks because of US and British supplies sent to the soviets
How so? USSR received 11 thousands tanks by the end of war and they performed quite poorly.
>>70324150
I guess the Manhattan project was a school science project then.
>>70327209
This
>>70326873
>Actually it was the brits that started bombing civilians en masse.
That's not what Rotterdam says. You're welcome to bomb that shithole again, though. It's not a mess of ugly architecture and niggers. Which is probably why loads of people there vote PVV.
So on second thought, don't bomb it. Just come over and remove the niggers.
>>70323156
No discuss
>>70327282
>implying Rommel didn't give you a run for your money.
>>70327090
you needed help not starving
>>70327160
Without at least one ally in the east (permanent or temporary) there would be no WWII.
Didn't know people were still ready to make up excuses for Stalin. Two socialisms working together to subjugate the rest of Europe. A match made in hell.
>>70326849
Daily reminder that there would be no war if the US/UK would have told Poland about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact to split Poland. Poland would have been forced to negotiate with Germany (which was Hitlers reason to agree to the pact) or get it´s shit pushed in and they feared the soviets like the devil. Yet, US/UK didn´t tell them on purpose to get the war going.
>>70323156
Well the allies beat germany. I guess that makes them heroes? I'm not sure what they, or we, won exactly. A lot of people died and the world was a little worse for it.
>>70327272
What do you mean by this? I literally have no idea what you're on about here m8.
>>70323156
A hero is someone who risks his life for a selfless (presumably good) reason.
>The Germans could gain from the war
>The USA could gain from the war
>The russians both had to defend themselves AND could also gain from the war
>The Japanese Could gain from the war
>The Italians Could gain from the war
Only the UK and France won the war and actually were worse off. they lost all of their colonies, and status in the world.
I guess you could call that heroic, i'd call it idiotic. either way that's the only correct answer to OP's question.
>>70327301
Look up Tube Alloys. It was the British Manhattan project that had to be merged with the Manhattan Project due to a lack of funding and resources. However, Tube Alloys was scientifically way ahead of the Manhattan Project, which is why it was merged and not dropped.
>>70327339
>With what vehicles
>>70327301
What I said was a gross oversimplification of it all, but it's true to an extent. The Manhattan project was a joint effort.
WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT THIS POST IS SPAM?!
I tried fucking everything. Getting rid of the word "dinosaur", "Soviet", "Nazi", just fucking nothing worked.
>>70327419
If you want to invade Britain you've got to weaken it from the inside first - start some civil wars in the country.
>>70323528
>help ally
>ally collapses and surrenders
>retreat from their now occupied lands because it would be retarded to stay in occupied territory where you nor your ally have any dominance
>HURR YOU GUIS R COWARDS
>>70327272
That's absolute bullshit. There's banter and a few nutcases but on the whole people get really patriotic during a war for survival.
At the time the only way the Mainland could've been invaded was lack of home support because of attrition or nuclear weapons
>>70327445
You need all list? You can find in wiki.
>>70324908
>Finland: opposing communism before it was cool
>Eternal ryssä: The Ultimate Evil
>Eternal anglo: Cucks sucking the cock of eternal ryssä
>Eternal Kraut: Greatest ally
>>70323156
jews
americans
soviet kazakhs
>>70327090
>Britain could have held out indefinitely against Germany
Right, because your island didn´t have to import food for survival and the germans didn´t fuck all supply ships. Oh wait, you had to import food since 1870 in order to feed your people.
>>70327390
>Daily reminder that there would be no war if the US/UK would have told Poland about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
It was a secret pact you moron.
>Yet, US/UK didn´t tell them on purpose
[citation needed]
>>70326751
>Why did they have to think britain was so important....
Why would they wanted to wage war against them? Adolf Hitler didn't even want to attack France and Wilhelm II tried to stop the military from invading Belgium to get to the French but the Schlieffen Plan was already in effect.
It was literally Europe's suicide pact.
>>70327514
This. I'd happily unite with a mick or jock to save Britain from invasion
>>70327340
>Implying it matters when the end result is a loss
>>70327445
With Soviet armored vehicle and decent share of allied trucks. Your point is?
>>70327098
Okay, before you came in I was arguing with two other guys who were claiming that the US took on the Pacific War on their own and that Britain's war effort was restricted to the British Isles. I then brought up the fact that the British Empire made significant contributions across the globe on every front.
You then came in with your british empire meme essentially saying that since the British Empire failed later on my argument about them making contributions during the war was invalid.
>>70327550
Dammit it Dimitri get me that list!
Also gib me my truck back, FDR took it under threat of prison.
>>70327495
There is not enough division in this country to do that. British identity is stronger than English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish.
>>70323528
Actually, we did try and liberate you before D-Day, but it was a massive failure. The German war machine was too strong at that time; it needed to be weakened a bit before we could do it again. This is also the reason why Churchill was kind of worried about D-Day, since it may have ended in another failure.
>>70327514
Well then, no one can truly invade Britain through the use of military.
>>70327090
>Britain could have held out indefinitely against Germany since invasion of mainland Britain was impossible.
>>70327689
That's probably what they thought about the US.
Also, the "BRITISH IDENTITY IS STRONGER THAN SCOTTISH OR IRISH" is dumb. Scots hate you, and so do the Irish.
>>70327651
No I never said it was invalid, there you go once more trying to backup the the mistake you made. I merely said you surrendered your empire later, that doesn't mean you didn't fight in the war.
>>70327577
Why is that relevant? We're talking about military capabilities here Hans,
>>70323281
>The Russians did the most
This thread about heroes, not dumb goyim diying for no regret
>>70327689
How come the Scots demand to be known as Scottish, not British, and the English demand to be called English, not British?
The fact is, there are conflicts in Britain - and there's no point in denying that.
>>70323156
that's pretty much true, though i will say that Americas biggest contribution was it's supplies and sheer manufacturing capacity and the British it's intelligence and technology, both of which the Russians desperately needed
>>70323156
If you are thinking of heroes as who won the war then it is Yugoslavia. Partisans stalled Germans just enough to slow them down on Eastern front. And we all know what would happen if they won that front.
>>70327775
They hate the thought of captulation much, much more.
>>70327292
>what are all the trucks that carried food and clothing among other things to the frontline
>what are the trains that transported the tanks to the front line
i'm not saying the tanks we sent you are what won the eastern front, im saying your tanks were only useful because you could only get most of them to the battlefield because of us.
the soviets had a severe logistics problem throughout the whole war and it was only resolved in large part because of lend-lease.
>>70327577
Yeah, but we still survived, Hans by eating real food and not makeshift bread crafted from a methlab.
>>70327337
>That's not what Rotterdam says.
Yeah as I said, germans did precision bombings only. Barely 900 people died and the city was taken. The london blitz by germany killed nearly 20.000 (though i believe these numbers to be over the top) and this was the only deliberate bombing of civilians. Now look at the civilian bombings the brits did (and later the US). The death in all of germany from that ranges between 500k and 1 million. They fucking leveled the cities on purpose.
>>70327822
>thinks military alone keeps a court alive
>>70327817
So basically you were making a statement that added absolutely nothing to the argument and should have been ignored?
>>70327822
>Why is that relevant?
Britain would have basically just been Leningrad tier
>>70327105
Oh, I see. Poland think it can steal a little piece of Czechoslovakia, when Czechoslovakia was facing off the German occupation. Nice try, Poland.
>>70327858
There are conflicts, but we all come together to face a foreign enemy. After the enemy is defeated, we have no one to fight so we fight each other
Fixed it
>>70327012
>January 1945:
>Eastern Front Divisions 146
>Western Front Divisions 79
>Italian Front Divisions 28
That seems about right
>Slavaboos BTFO
>>70327775
Scots are British though, who is this "You" you speak of? For all you know I could be Scottish.
N.Irish prefer us over the Republic.
>>70327905
>Muh partisans
Kek, you mean the guys who fought one side and then realized what dumb fucks they were when the soviets started wiping tem out?
>>70327967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGo-NEcEVI
History vs memes. Who will win?
>>70327419
divide using long-standing ethnic tensions, then conquer them when they are busy fighting amongst themselves.
>>70327724
Maybe not 70+ years ago but we haven't got anywhere near the same Royal Navy we had then.
The only thing anyone with a decent navy would have to do now is strangle us economically with a naval blockade and hey presto, you've conquered a first world country with tiny casualties.
This is why it's important for us to have independent nukes
>>70327840
Spotted the libfag. Back to the fucking reddit.
>>70327971
That's what it was like in America before the civil war.
>>70323156
USA blasted Germany then wrecked Japan. Then starved out the soviets.
Also if only the USA or Russians had entered the war Germany would of had a chance of winning.
>>70327920
>the soviets had a severe logistics problem throughout the whole war
As you said it relieved the pain but it didn't solve the problem
>>70327971
Most, but the conflicts still exist during war.
Just look at how the SNP dealt with the Nazis, or the Easter Rising of 1916.
>>70323156
USSR took off the nazis, US took off the japs. Everything is just and clear, isn't it?
>>70327840
Self-hating pidorashkas should go fuck themselves
>>70327749
>Britain could have held out indefinitely against Germany since invasion of mainland Britain was impossible.
that's actually pretty much true, Hitler didn't want to cross the channel in ships without Britains air power being destroyed which he failed to do following the battle of britain, and food wise not only was this point the beginning of the end for U-boats in the Atlantic, but also Britain was able to unlock more and more of the countries farmland as time passed, meaning it got harder and harder for Germany to kill US supplies, and less supplies were needed to keep the population fed
>>70325671
Leave it to A FUCKING LEAF to drink the Marxist kool-aid... seriously, soviet battle reports were all false, and stalin declared victories, even when entire armies consisting of 300k+ men were enveloped and captured. Read "Hitler vs Stalin eastern front" it outlines the realities of the war as well as how absolutely pathological the USSR was.
>>70326849
Daily reminder polaks should have never intervened in Ottoman conquest of austria.
At least germans would have been busy fighting for their freedom instead of trying to take ours.
>>70327858
We demand that those indentities are not forgotton, especially since everybody can be British nowadays.
Scottish, English, Welsh and Irish are reserved for the natives. That's why people are fervent about their continued usage.
>>70327945
No it was a dissemination towards the fact you were boasting of the empire that you surrendered later on. This isn't that fucking hard to understand m8.
Stop dodging the original fact you said something fucking stupid, tried to pass off that there was a hidden meaning in what I said and now "Dur you didn't contribute anything".
>>70327585
>>70327390
there MIGHT not have been a war if poland agreed to a danzig corridor
>>70327967
Czechoslovakia was already done at that point, as Britain basically sold them off to Hitler. Us doing nothing wouldn't change anything.
>>70323156
R A R E
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>>70327993
10/10
>>70328040
>memes
>implying Poland did not steal Czechoslovakian lands.
Nice try, Poland.
>M-Muh Great Patriotic War!!
>Non-Aggression Pact? What's that?
>>70323156
well, the US bankrolled the whole thing...
>>70327456
I'm guessing dinosaur as in "everyone walks the".
>>70328248
Tere MIGHT not have been war if Hitler didn't demand part of our land in the first place.
>>70327993
>That one Commiesaurus flying upside down
kek
>>70328274
10/10
>>70327775
>Scots hate you, and so do the Irish.
someone's been on /pol/ a bi too much haven't they?
>>70327775
>Scots hate you, and so do the Irish.
says the American, but no I'm sure because you're great great grandmothers second cousins illicit gay lover was Irish you are the resident Irish-American expert, you might not have noticed but the Irish and Scottish divisions of the army have been some of the most elite units
>>70328110
>>70328189
I hope your resistance will warm your grandfather bones under Earth
>>70323156
No because there were different theaters of operation.
The Soviets were the big T-Rex versus the Nazis, but we were the ones bullying the Japanese. We practically won the Pacific theater on our own and with something like a 1:10 casualty ratio.
>>70328226
I really wasn't boasting, I was just bringing up the fact that at the time Britain was more than just the British Isles. Also I'm not dodging shit, I misinterpreted the meaning behind your point because it came out of nowhere.
>>70328033
Soviets?
It was more like Nazis and local nationalists fought a bit and by magic they turned into communists and became partisans.
There was some redressing involved.
>>70327158
That was an effective campaign but at no point was the German navy able to secure the support over the Mediterranean and the Italians took huge losses from their freighter support until they were determined not to fulfill the necessary requests.
At no point were the Axis capable of cutting of support to the British troops. The campaign continued it's successful interference only because of their mobility.
>>70328404
Sorry anon, have a beer on me.
>>70325671
>killed less Germans.
>thinking war is killing the most, like in your call of dooty vidya games
Trying to win a war by "killing the most" is a god awful idea and is the reason literally no one with half a brain conducts a war like that, other than one great example, America in Vietnam
>>70327585
>It was a secret pact you moron.
Yeah thats why the US AND UK KNEW ABOUT IT YOU STUPID FUCKING SHIT AND DIDN´T TELL POLAND.
Regarding Citation: Have read that in "truth for germany - Walendy" but can´t find the exact page (won´t look through 500 pages of a book right now sorry).
And 20 seconds of google:
The secret protocol was known to the US government as early as 24 August 1939. It was passed to US diplomat Charles Bohlen by Hans von Herwath, a German diplomat. The US ambassador in Moscow Laurence Steinhardt passed that information to US secretary of state Cordell Hull on the same day. Hull immediately informed British minister of foreign affairs Edward Halifax, who in turn informed the French. But the French already learned about the secret protocol from another source on 25 August 1939 through the contacts of their embassy in Berlin. There is also evidence that the news was immediately known to Italians, Estonians and Latvians.
The Poles didn't know about the secret protocol and so they didn't expect the Soviet invasion of 17 September 1939. The fact that the British didn't pass that information to their Polish allies is a direct betrayal of Article 5 of the British-Polish alliance agreement from 25 August 1939:
Contracting Parties ... will exchange complete and speedy information concerning any development which might threaten their independence and, in particular, concerning any development which threatened to call the said undertakings into operation.
Sources: the memories of US diplomat Charles Bohlen, the correspondence of the US embassy in Moscow, the memories of Hans von Herwath, "German-Soviet relations 1939-1941" by Slawomir Debski.
TLDR: US/UK used poland to start the war. You weren´t told on purpose in order for you to further agitate germany. UK knew well that they can´t help you, you were just used and thrown away to fit the allied agenda.
>>70328359
I fucking tried, man. I replaced every instance of "dinosaur" with "dino" or even just "one" and it didn't work.
>>70327993
KEK
>ITT: People who think either Russia or USA did more than the other.
Russia: Men, good land to fight on, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men
USA: Supplies, a bit of men all around the world, supplies, supplies, supplies,
>>70328066
That could have worked ~100 years ago, but I doubt it would work now. We'll just bomb the boats who blockade us from the sky. And our nukes are independent, it's just the manufacturing of them isn't, so we'd need to quickstart a nuclear weapons manufacturing plant here if we wanted our nukes to be fully independent.
>>70328222
Some get pretty mad if they're called British, so I don't think it's just a 'let's retain the name' thing.
>>70328443
Alright, cool
>>70328130
it made the problem manageable.
without lend-lease the conscripts at stalingrad, while waiting for someone else to die so they could get a gun, also would have freezing and starving to death and probably wouldn't have had any ammo when they did get a gun. its not that far fetched to think you could have lost that one had it not been for lend-lease.
>>70328270
>Us doing nothing wouldn't change anything.
Is it a reason why you are stealing someone's lands when someone is being occupied by an enemy? Nice mind-set, Poland.
>>70328442
God the Italians.
I just meant Rommel wasn't too bad.
The fuckin Polaks got what was coming to them.
They were involved in around seven wars between WW1 and WW2, not to mention they thought they could trust...
>>70325174
Kek, brilliant
>MUH WINTER
For fuck's sake, anon! You're saing it's like war was 1 year long.
It was 5 horrible years.
In the first winter during November and December everyone was on defence of Moscow. Fucking 12yo children, their moms and elders dug trenches, while almost all males was on front. There was literally bloodbath.
Now you can ride ~200km on the west from Moscow and you'll see echo of the War.
Yeah, the winter was our advantage, but not the only one.
Or do you really think that Germans was so retarded that they suck dicks 4 winters in a row?
It's just... You have no fucking idea what was here. Even nov, 70 years after the Victory there's numerous bombs, tanks, planes and other shit left, rusting in the field of this land.
And yeah, tell me one more fucking time about your precious 6 gorrilions cowards.
27 millions died in those horrible battles. Don't be edgy cunt, anon. Just one fucking time dont shill for your kike masters and have goddamn honor to admit that sacrafice, which probably just saved this fucking world.
>>70328364
in all fairness, dazig was majority German.
>>70328293
First of all there was no Poland or Czechoslovakia before 1918.
Second of all because of all the new countries there was a problem with borders. There were may ideas who to deal with this like the plebiscite. Usually all governments didn't play fair all the time and were transporting their citizens and shit. The most extreme cases were the Bolsheviks of course and this guy later known for killing POWs and even some civillians for a fucking speck of land while their neigbhbor was busy fighting the red horde.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_%C5%A0nejd%C3%A1rek
And seriously defending fucking Soviets?
>>70328391
ANZACS, Canadians, Brits and Americans won the pacific theatre.
>>70328576
Wait so Poland stole land the Germans had by stealing from the Czech?
>>70328638
Not to forget that Poland laughed at Czechoslovakia when they were invaded by Hitler, and they even helped Hitler.
>>70328562
> starving to death and probably wouldn't have had any ammo when they did get a gun
m8 that's pretty much what happened, also
>Thinking every soviet conscript had his own gun
sounds like capitalist waste comrade
>>70328683
>saved the world
>communism
Ehhhhhhhhhh
>>70328473
Holy shit.
If this is true, we fought on the wrong side.
>>70328685
And it had a status of Free City, it didn't belong to neither Germany nor Poland.
Also, pic related.
>>70328293
Poland stole German land.
>>70328638
lol shut up China's 21th century colony
You learnt Mandarin yet or what?
How you expect Ching Chong to hire you if your dont know how to speak their language?
>>70328473
Oh fuck, fuck the allies totally.
>>70328473
BEADY ANGLO EYES
>>70328391
> We practically won the Pacific theater on our own
and yet you know what allowed you to win the battle of midway? , OUR shipborne radar technology that we gave you in exchange for supplies m8
>>70327935
Rotterdam was not a precision bombing. This seems to be a problem Germans have: Not everyone sees things the same way you do. This is partly why you lost two wars. You gave the enemy massive propaganda victories, because Brits are sneaky cunts who think they're always right and would insist the sky is the ground if they fell on their face.
>>70323253
/thread
Also is it just me or did Italy suck ass in WW2? Japan and Germany both got pretty big and powerful but what did Italy even do? They invaded Albania and Ethiopia, neither of which were exactly prize acquisitions, and then proceeded to be nearly useless for the entire war.
>>70327749
Both the US and UK armed forces have wargamed it with the knowledge gained from Op. Overlord and yeah, all Op. Sealion would have achieved is a huge loss of manpower and resources for the Wehrmacht when the Home Fleet inevitably blocked the Channel and the army groups in the UK ran out of fuel and ammunition.
The Allies had absolute command of the Channel for Op. Overlord and even they had a hell of a time keeping their forces fueled and resupplied during the initial push. Germany just didn't have the logistics capability in 1940 for an invasion and the Pacific war demonstrated that warships weren't nearly as vulnerable to air power as was initially feared. Even if RAF Fighter Command had been completely wiped out (something that wouldn't have been possible in the first place due to the lack of long-range German fighters) the Home Fleet would have still been able to secure the Channel, they just would have sustained a lot of losses.
What they should have done instead of planning an invasion, is just massively increase U-Boat production and starve the UK into submission. That would have been successful, the UK actually got extremely close to the kind of shortages that might have toppled it's government on numerous occassions during the early years of the war.
>>70328391
>The Soviets were the big T-Rex versus the Nazis, but we were the ones bullying the Japanese. We practically won the Pacific theater on our own and with something like a 1:10 casualty ratio
We had non-aggression pact with Japan from 1941 till August 1945 and broke it at your request to beat numerous Japanese troops in Manchuria. I wonder how would you fight land war against them.
>>70328685
It's not important. Polish government didn't care about this and they themselves proposed a highway to Prussia a couple years before. Regardless of the fact that it was a free city and Poland had legal outposts in there, losing it wouldn't be a problem especially after we built Gdynia.
More important was that Poland refused to be German ally and allied with the Brits instead and the Polish gov was more concerned with popularity at home than doing anything to preserve the nation. They also excpected Soviets to stay home.
>>70328851
Blame Perfidious Albion
>>70328576
As I said, it was the piece of land they stole from us in 1920.
Soviets, on the other hand, backstabbed us when we were facing overwhelming German invasion (and resisted, unlike Czechs), slaughtered our intellectual elites and then helped Hitler during 1940 France campaign by providing food and supplies for his army.
See the difference?
>>70328695
>First of all there was no Poland or Czechoslovakia before 1918.
I ask you again, stupic Polack. It is a reason why you are stealing someone's lands when someone is being occupied by an enemy?
You are a fucking hypocrite, who think it does not count, if Poland stole a little piece of someone's land, because it is a little piece.
>>70328879
I like this dde, idk the way you say things just makes me smile for some reason. Reminds me of a badass commentator.
>>70328562
>its not that far fetched
It sounds very far fetched, yes.
>>70328683
>everyone was on defence of Moscow
That because of muh freedom of movement and 227 order. For example, everyone from Brest till Leningrad don't give a fuck and collaborate with """enemy""".
>>70328874
Really? I thought it was the deciphering of Jap codes.
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143287370/the-codebreaker-who-made-midway-victory-possible
>>70328823
That's what i call a very very peasant rant
>>70328874
Well, in fairness I actually do agree that the British did a lot in World War 2. I was mainly just commenting on the OP image's implication that the Soviets were the major important power and the US was peripheral. My main point was just that it depended on the theater of war.
>>70328473
>>70328804
>>70328851
>>70328873
I hope it is clear now that poland was just used as a means to war. The allies made sure poland starts shit with germany and they made sure that poland will never negotiate.
Poland is not to blame, they only did one thing wrong: Trusting britain and their promises.
>>70328473
Why would we want to agitate Germany and start WWII, though? If America wanted to start the war too, why didn't they join later?
>>70328928
>fight in land battle
We just drop bombs.
>>70328994
Again. Defending fucking Soviets?
>>70329055
and you shut your stinky ass too vatnik, even the Turks dont take shit from you.
>>70327993
We got some nice OC in this thread.
>>70328066
>This is why it's important for us to have independent nukes
That and stop cutting the navy. It's getting ridiculous now.
>>70329039
It was a factor at the least comrade.
>>70328808
I love how flags just more and more plain and basic
>>70328928
>fighting a land war
>against Japan
Nigger, that's like fighting an air battle against the mole people.
Congratulations, you incompetent failures managed to beat what little there was that grounded Imperial Japan. Maybe we would be more thankful if you had done more about the struggle for 30% of the entire planet.
>>70329071
I've always liked the National Socialists.
>>70328930
>>70328823
>>70328364
Poland supported an insurgency and annexed German land AFTER ww1.
You cunts were ALMOST as perfidious as the Brits.
>>70329107
Well Germany was becoming pretty powerful and it wouldn't be too far fetched to think Britain was a little worried about that.
>>70329071
>>70328473
>Still provides no source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#The_secret_protocol
There is no word of Brits of Americans knowing about a secret protocol regarding partition of Poland.
>Poland is not to blame, they only did one thing wrong
Well thank you for admitting we did nothing wrong after you invided and genocided 1/3 of our population, dickheads.
>>70329044
>everyone from Brest till Leningrad don't give a fuck and collaborate with """enemy"""
Sure thing. Picrelated.
>MUH ORDER #227, MUH EBIL STALIN
It was in summer 1942, when shit just got real.
>>70328520
>We'll just bomb the boats who blockade us from the sky
With what airforce? We've hacked that up as badly as the navy.
>>70328928
I don't want to sound dismissive, but that was kind of a side show of World War 2. You could theoretically say that China did stuff as well, but most of the significant victories in the Pacific theater were elsewhere.
It's not like we did nothing in the European theater either. It's just that our role was not as significant as the Soviets there. Similarly, your role in the Pacific theater was not as significant as our's.
>>70328724
>Wait so Poland stole land the Germans had by stealing from the Czech?
No, it was not the German land at that moment. Polacks stole a piece of Czechoslovakia, when Czechoslovakia was being occupied by the Germans in 1938. See, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Czechoslovak_border_conflicts#Annexations_by_Poland_in_1938
>>70329381
Pollaks are belligerent fools.
>>70329328
Yeah, and guess who ownede the land we "stole" before Germans stole them in XVIIIth century?
>>70327500
LIE, we fought 3 more weeks, cost us hundreds of thousand.
>>70329107
>Why would we want to agitate Germany and start WWII
God dammit /pol/, you should know by now. The war was about economy. Germany removed the gold standard and printed their own money and to be free of the international banking jews. As a result, jews declared war on german in 1933 (3 weeks after the NSDAP was elected) and all german products were removed from Uk, US and french markets to bleed germanys economy dry. In turn, german started barter trade (goods vs goods) with other countries and BTFO the international bank jews. With peace, germanys prospering would have spread to other countries and they would have taken their economic plan. Germany had to be crushed to get it back to the gold standard and win back the sales markets they have produced. This was important because the other countries, especially the US were still suffering from the economic crisis of 1929. The US market was in 1939 still as shitty as it was in 1930.
>>70329328
We didn't support it. We started and fought in it. Polish land.
>>70329432
Is that the Talmud shroud?
>>70329049
m8 the Tizard mission gave you radar, proximity fuse shells, jet engine designs, papers on the theory of atom bombs, rockets, plastic explosives and anti submarine defences along with a fuck load more, shit was pretty fucking important against japan
>>70329511
The pollaks are the worst.
They act belligerent then cry.
>>70329544
I'm not one of those anti-jew /pol/acks.
>>70329539
Yeah because it was the only thing you can do when the enemies are within the gates.
Reminder that Stalin
>was not prepared for war at all, yet arrogantly believed his military was up to snuff with other world powers and """silenced""" those who tried to tell him other wise
>killed off and imprisoned thousands of generals in an autstic rage
>was so stupid and up his own ass, that he didnt believe Hitler would soon betray him like all his people were telling him
>when he got reports about Germans mobilizing on the boarder with Russia, he was so scared he literally just said "n-no they arent" in hopes that it would just magically go away
>when one of his admirals reported that the invasion had occurred and his fleet in the black sea was being attacked by Germans, he just ignored it and said the whole thing was "british lies" to try and break their friendship
>loss pretty much half of the soviet airforce and their tanks in the first few months of the battle
>didnt even publically acknowledge the invasion on the first day. News from Moscow was boring shit about grain production and didnt even mention the German invasion
>seriously considered just letting Hitler have all of eastern europe in the hopes that he would then leave russia alone
"he was like a rabbit hypnotized by a snake"-Joseph Goebbels
>>70329381
Aw come on and shut the fuck up you degenerate. I gave you a book, the google gave you two memoirs of diplomats. Look it up yourself and stop shitposting for once. Even with a source you would still continue to shitpost.
>>70329532
LOL
Pollaks were super fuckin belligerant throughout history... then you got fucked to death.
>>70328683
Wouldn't so much agree with saving the world, but you definitely saved yourself from german occupation and won the biggest battles in human history against enemies who didn't see it coming. People can relativise this achievement, but Russians proved time and time again that they're the most resilient people on the planet.
>>70329582
Yeah.
>Inscription found inside Brest Fortress: "I'm dying but I won't surrender. Farewell, Motherland. 20.VII.41."
>>70329544
The real reason why Hitler wanted to start the war with ANYONE was because the economy he implemented was serving solely that purpose.
3rd Reich was on verge of bankrupcy in 1939. Starting shit with others and annexing their lands was the only way for Hitler to stay at power.
>>70329737
>loss pretty much half of the soviet airforce and their tanks in the first few months of the battle
Should've moved it further away from the German border.
>>70329432
nkvd wrote this. There's no proof that this photo was taken earlier than 1944
>>70329227
>>70329453
And yet we still give foreign aid to India, China, Argentina, etc. It's the fucking eternal krauts fault
>>70329654
this has nothing to do with "anti jew". This is about understanding the banking system and how they fucked everyone over for the last 200 years. Nearly all wars in that time frame were about economy/banking supremacy. Never was it about human rights, democracy or ideologies.
>>70329818
Pollak's history is interesting
>>70329758
>Look it up yourself
Burden of proofs is on your side.
>>70327337
>That's not what Rotterdam says.
Wilhelmshaven was the first major city to be bombed by the allies and that happened immediately after the British declared war on Germany.
Not that this would be any consolation for the people of Rotterdam though.
>>70329737
Stalin was incompetent. But as for the Russians who fought to protect their motherland, they were still heroes who deserve recognition for their effort in stemming the German advance. Millions of them sacrificed their lives to defeat Hitler so I give credit where credit is due.
>>70329381
More regarding that:
In regards to the French government, they had been informed well in advance by their ambassador in Berlin. The following is extracted directly from the French Yellow Book (my emphasis), a compendium of French diplomatic documents from 1938-1939:
No. 123
M. COULONDRE, French Ambassador in Berlin,
to M. GEORGES BONNET, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Berlin, May 7, 1939.
I TAKE the liberty of drawing the especial attention of Your Excellency to the information contained in the enclosed report, our informant being in a particularly good position to know the intentions of the Führer and of his principal lieutenants. His new declarations may be summed up as follows:
(1) M. Beck's speech will in no way alter the situation. The Führer is determined to secure the return of Danzig to Germany, as well as the reunion of East Prussia to the Reich.
(2) The Führer is patient and cautious, and will not tackle the question in a direct way, for he knows that in future France and Britain would not give way, and that the coalition which he would have to confront would be too strong. He will go on manoeuvring until his time comes.
(3) The Führer will come to an understanding to this effect with Russia. The day will come when he attains his aims by these means, without the Allies "having any reason, or even any intention, to intervene." It may be that we shall witness a fourth partition of Poland. In any case, "we shall soon see that something is brewing in the East."
(4) The equivocal attitude of Japan has contributed to Herr Hitler's orientation towards the U.S.S.R.
(5) When the Polish question has once been settled, and Germany's military supremacy definitely assured, Germany will be in a position to come to a conference.
...
>>70330009
In my opinion, he may hope to draw advantage from it in three different ways:
(1) By arriving at a more or less tacit agreement with the U.S.S.R. which would assure him of the benevolent neutrality of that country in the event of a conflict, perhaps even of her complicity in a partition of Poland.
(2) By bringing, through the mere threat of a better understanding with the U.S.S.R., pressure simultaneously to bear on Japan and on Poland, in order to induce the former to sign a military alliance, and the latter to agree to the concessions he is asking for.
(3) By bringing the Western Powers, under the threat of collusion between Germany and Russia, to accept certain Soviet demands to which Poland and Rumania would be opposed, and thus to sow discord among the Allies.
And, In The Gathering Storm Churchill writes (in Chapter 20, The Soviet Enigma):
From the moment when Molotov became Foreign Commissar, he pursued a policy of an arrangement with Germany at the expense of Poland. It was not very long before the French became aware of this. There is a remarkable dispatch by the French Ambassador in Berlin, dated May 7 [1939], published in the French Yellow Book, which states that on his secret information he was sure that a Fourth Partition of Poland was to be the basis of the German-Russian rapprochement.
>>70329978
You don't think the Soviets were going to invade?
>>70329489
>but that was kind of a side show of World War 2
You just described exactly how most Russians feel about your Pacific theatre. It's a side show to the Great Patriotic war.
>>70329737
>was not prepared for war at all
Poland and Finland can confirm
>>70329978
Well they managed to fool some people into thinking they were the victims after they divided Europe together with Hitler. That takes some skills.
>>70329544
There was a great info graph that showed exactly what you were talking about. However man it was the banks and the elite families not jews.
>>70329737
>Hitler betray
More like he recognized those offensive positioned soviet military formations and knew sooner or later Stalin would cash in on the drawn out colic with Britain.
>>70329818
Highly disagree, the economy was not bank based and btfo of families such as the Rothchilds. They were doing fine in terms of money and their trade once again cut the banks out as most of it was a barter like system.
>>70330038
Churchill goes on in that chapter with extensive quotations from Parliament's debate on May 19 [1939] directly addressing the need to form a binding mutual-defense pact with the Soviet Union before Germany did, in order to secure British and French interests in Eastern Europe, in regards to both Poland and Rumania. Both his own and Lloyd George's words are featured prominently.
To conclude the chapter, Churchill notes that, following Molotov's speech on May 19th in rebuttal to Chamberlain's speech in the House of Commons earlier that day:
.... All four countries [Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania] now refused [an offer of mutual defense and support from the Soviet Union against German aggression], and perhaps in their terror would for a long time have refused, such a condition [the Soviet demand for a guarantee from all its Eastern European neighbours]. Finland and Estonia even asserted that they would consider such a guarantee extended to them without their consent as an act of aggression. On that same day, May 31, Estonia and Latvia signed non-aggression pacts with Germany. ....
It seems clear that al parties concerned, even the victims, were aware of Russian intentions - any that accepted Hitler's bond need merely have noted the value of that bond to Czechoslovakia for an assessment of its worth.
>>70329782
Thanks for translation slavbro.
>>70329862
The real monster eating everything is the NHS. The white elephant in the room at the heart of the decline of our armed forces and the nanny state.
>>70329262
It was and it helped a lot
>>70330057
no because they werent. Stalin was just some dope trying to take advantage of the horshit Hitler was stirring up until Hitler turned on him.
Theres no credible source for a Russian invasion of Europe other than nazi propaganda so they could fame their invasion as a preemptive strike
>>70329927
I gave you the books, what more do you need?
>inb4 random webpage link that claims to have a source.
>>70329856
Why do you think so? That deffence was almost 1 month long.
>>70329862
>mfw should have went to one of the 40 plus peace talks Hitler extended to you guys
>>70329927
He did list books anon.
>>70330242
I don't trust these books, they seem like Nazi revisionism to me.
Show me some source from official, historian-approved book. Or encyclopedic source.
>>70330267
>literally goes back on every promise and peace talk he makes
>"why didnt you guys just trust him?"
>>70330121
To be honest, that might be a valid point. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm guessing that there were more people fighting in the european theater of war and more casualties there.
The Pacific theater was not unimportant at all though. Japan actually had gotten pretty strong by that point and if left alone could have been a significant threat. They nearly unified Southeast Asia and controlled vast swathes of China, as tenuous as those gains may have been.
I still stand by my view that the big dino in the European theater was the Soviets but we were the big dino (maybe an alligator since it was a lot of naval battles) in the Pacific. I'm not really trying to argue that the Pacific theater was as significant, just that we were the major force to reckon with there.
>>70330236
Yeah just like he wasn't going to invade the balkins, poland, oh wait..
