So I grew up in a Christian family and stopped going to church and believing in God at age 18. I thought I was the shit and muh science could answer all questions in life and I was so smart and whatnot. Well guess what, my life was total shit until I returned to church at now age 22 at the start of the year. God's not dead.
>>70303022
6/10
Will get bites.
glad to hear it, brother.
>>70303022
grats on growing up and leaving edgelord atheism behind. not an endorsement of the church or an indictment of atheism but acknowledgement you can grow out of knowing it all.
Thanks for the money goy i mean guys this helps god out
why are atheists so angry?
>>70303022
how can you apologize on behalf of atheists if you're a christain?
oh my god that movie was so shit
>>70303022
It's okay every one makes mistakes
Now preach others :)
Have a nice time
>>70303344
They're making another one.
>>70303022
Very potent bait. I'm sure many are going to fall for it.
>>70303022
Neat, maybe someday god will help the rest of the planet as much as it's helped you
>>70303022
I haven't argued about religion in a long time. The whole thing got boring for me. That whole 'atheism vs religion' thing just seems so stale and outdone. I wonder how those YT atheist people have not blown their brains out yet. We can all think whatever we want, no point arguing for years about it on the Internet.
>>70303270
they are fueled by satan
>>70303022
0/0
Deep-seated insecurities and general feelings of inadequacy drive people to believe their insane babblings are heard, that there is someone stronger than them who can make things right. Because their lives are terrible. So instead of being proactive, they just keep babbling. Hoping there's someone on the other end.
For the left, that crutch generally sems to be big government. For the right, it's a disgusting strain of evangelical Protestantism.
I hate both.
>>70303022
To be fair. I believe in god, but I do not believe its a modern Christian God.
A modern Christian god would be more clear on his message and not beat around on the Bush and would be more upfront with his message on who to crusade against and what not.
I mean when is the last time he's inspired the Pope to declare a crusade. I mean give that fucker a holy dream or two about smiting Mecca. Maybe he has, but the Pope ignored it. In that case death note the fucker and inspire the Cardinals to vote in a Pope that goes "Deus Vult!"
I'm mean serious. God has been a pussy in the paste 300 years. In the old days he used to smite an entire city because they dissed his word. Where is that now? Maybe he is waiting for us to all be doubtful so he can send us to hell.
But that is not the god I want to follow. Maybe he is inspiring me to become the next pulpit though. Though its not working.
>>70303586
this leaf gets it i used to be a atheist for 30 years and laught about muh god and there was not one person on earth who could tell me otherwise . Then i became a christfag and there will be no soul on earth to convince me that god is not real. So what the hell are we doing here ?
>>70303172
I do feel like I outgrew it. At 18 all i wanted to do was play vidya so I made wrong choices.
>>70303596
damn right you faggy little christcuck
>>70303022
You're weak minded.
Just because you don't know anything, doesn't mean you need to go back to church.
Just live accepting that you don't have answers to everything. This is wisdom, my friend.
>an apology on behalf of atheists
>is a christian
>>70303370
>Christian board
>First thing I see opening a page is an anime-styled advertisement for Japanese sex toys
I'm atheist but I actually think my Christian upbringing gave me guidance when it came to moral values and being a good person. I want a secular society but there is a gaping void where religion used to be. Saying "it's just logical to be moral" isn't enough.
>>70304064
>Christian board
>Porn is posted all day everyday, multiple posters defend deviant sexual practices and encourage them
>Multiple users are racist to a sickening degree
>>70304064
>>70304149
Let's make a porn ban then !
>>70304103
Secular societies are weak & feminized and Islam will move in. Look at Europe.
>>70304229
there is you may not post porn . but nude pics is allowed to some degree
>>70303022
Finally, this pic is relevant.
>>70304337
Sorry for letting Germans killing you
>>70303172
>edeglord atheism
Atheism is no belief in God theres no culture theres nothing juts no belief in God at all jeez why do you christians confuse fedora culture with atheism?
Read some Kierkergaard and find true faith m8
>>70304417
Who do you think talks about each other more:
Athiests about Christians or Christians about Athiests?
>>70303022
>my life was total shit until I returned to church at now age 22
Arguable religion can function as a transition object to help the transition, in this case from teenage to adult. Just as a teddy bear can help people move from baby to toddler, or an imaginary friend can help with the transition to autonomous child in early primary school. Where it goes off the track is where people get 'stuck' in this transition and never make the full transition. Instead they remain in a kind of semi-infantile half-way house forever. Very sad. Personal growth is forever hindered.
>>70304417
maybe that's how it is in your country, but here Atheism is legally a religion, with its own churches, creeds, and monuments infront of courthouses.
>>70304476
Christians about atheists obviously, have you spoken to a religious person? a really religious person not a /pol/ roleplayer autist, their whole life revolves around God and who believes or disbeliefs him, etc.
>>70304728
False. The Christians only ever speak about Athiests in prayers. Athiests spend every waking moment talking about how "wrong" and "stupid" the Bible is, etc. Google it.
>>70303586
>We can all think whatever we want
Yeah the old "why are you atheists so worked up about religion?" argument.
Well if religious people would leave us alone we probably would, but
1. They force children to be indoctrinated into their beliefs. I was beaten repeatedly because I refused to attend church and participate fully (eg reciting their creed).
2. Trying to impose their views on others eg trying to ban birth control for everyone.
3. Opposition to euthanasia. Euthanasia would be legal if not for religious opposition. Most people support it, even most moderate religious people support it. But religious fanatics and the hierarchies of Catholic and evangelical churches pressure politicians into banning euthanasia. The result is hat tens or hundreds of people suffer needlessly from slow painful degrading deaths.
inb4palliative care make every death an easy experience (not so).
Tolerance works both ways - if religious people would be tolerant of us, we would be tolerant of them.
>>70303022
HE'S LIVIN' ON THE INSIDE
ROARIN' LIKE A LION
>>70304842
>The result is hat tens or hundreds of people suffer needlessly from slow painful degrading deaths.
Correction
>tens or hundreds of THOUSANDS of people suffer needlessly from slow painful degrading deaths EVERY YEAR.
>>70304842
>I was beaten repeatedly because I refused to attend church and participate fully
too bad you didn't learn your lesson
>>70304886
https://youtu.be/w2UErqHfC4c
>>70303022
right on
>>70304821
>Athiests spend every waking moment talking about how "wrong" and "stupid" the Bible is
Atheists don't give a shit about God and go live their lives without worrying about the spiritual, my parents are atheists and in 25 years of being their son I never heard them talk about god once for example.
The internet is not real life you autistic child.
>The Christians only ever speak about Athiests in prayers.
So always.
>>70303344
I was the only one in my cinema that was laughting my ass off. I can't wait for the second one
>>70305022
Sorry but here Athiesm is a reaction to Christianity. It is a religion of its own.
>>70304842
>that pic
Might want to read the note.
>>70304984
I like this song. I tend to like religious themed music.
>>70305022
>The internet is not real life
neither is your shitty, tiny anecdote a reflection of everyone else or wider atheist 'activism'
>>70305062
If by "here" you mean the internet or the inside of your christian persecution complex fantasy then yes.
>>70305154
Your shitty tiny anecdote of your percieved "atheist activism" is even less real,
>>70305243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCD_T9Qqpc
>>70303022
Is protestantism the reddit of Christianity?
>>70305275
You don't even understand the context of that video, the catholic church enabled the dictatorship hence the chant.
>>70305243
You do realise that atheists do, right?
Like the atheist bus message in the UK?
Making people take crosses off things because 'it violates religious freedom' (read: any sign of religion hurts my feelings)?
>educated atheist
Kek, rare breed and open minded to conversation. Not comparable to the mouth breathing, nearded, fedorafucks who have all the answers, never cracked a book to research, but really couldn't last 5 minutes in an actual logical debate.
>educated religious person
Not as rare as the aforementioned but still rare. Need to spend less time with their head buried in one book spouting off scripture as argument and familiarize themselves with other facets, philosophy, and general thinking of the religion. Learn logical debate as well, you can prove the existence of God, as well as disprove, in this setting.
Anyone who uses the argument "I don't believe in God, therefore he doesn't exist" is a stupid cuck with patriarchal issues. I'm the first sentence you acknowledged his existence, just that you don't believe in him, as if believing in something is grounds for, or lack of, existing
>>70305243
>Your shitty tiny anecdote of your percieved "atheist activism" is even less real,
except it's not an anecdote moron, unlike you invoking your family as if it were reflective of the whole. great, idgaf if you or your family are atheists, the fact is there are many 'evangelical' atheists out there that aren't of your relation.
happy now fuckface?
>>70304842
Which one of these is the one with Moloch? That shit's epic.
>>70305337
Its funny because the actor of calvary was abused by a priest when he was a wee lad.
>>70305396
>You do realise that atheists do, right?
They don't.
>Like the atheist bus message in the UK?
Wow a bus message targeted at opressed muslims in a country where the majority of the populace is atheist! A BUS MESSAGE can you imagine that! that level of activism from 60% of the population.
> (read: any sign of religion hurts my feelings)
The bible tells you to respect the law, why are you mad at atheists forcing you to be a good christian?
>>70305432
>Evangelical christians
Go outside more.
>>70304842
>>70304842
People forget that Christianity isn't reflective over tolerance on both sides of the spectrum. Everyone in church is delighted to forget about Old Testament wars and New Testament crusades, fought simply in the name of God. Convert or die, has a tone similar to another religion we all love to hate
>>70305416
>educated atheist
it's a good thing to meet one, but honestly, some reach a higher degree of autismo, they can't even argue, just start spouting shit like a broken disc, can't bear to sit and listen to one debate with a religious person, even though i'm not religious
>>70305129
What about it?
>>70305416
>logical proof of God
Go on
>>70305416
>I'm the first sentence you acknowledged his existence
That's a retarded argument. I can say "I don't believe in reincarnation", that doesn't mean reincarnation exists
>>70305519
>Its funny because the actor of calvary was abused by a priest when he was a wee lad.
lel
2bh, I think it's a questionable pick anyway, why not Bresson? I mean, they already went with arguably the finest example of Orthodox cinema.
Hardcore religious people are just like hardcore atheists. All they can talk about is what their belief system is and why it's better than yours.
Honestly, it pisses me off a lot more with the atheists, who have somehow managed to make a religion out of being non-religious. They do the exact same thing as religious nuts--they try to "convert" you to their system of belief, tell you why their perspective on the whole thing is much better than anyone else's, and hold anyone in disdain that believes differently from them.
Moderately religious people and some atheists (the ones that don't try to make an identity based on such) are all right. They'll disagree with what you believe in, but ultimately don't really care as long as you're decent.
I'm not arguing this just to be contrary, mind you--have you taken a look at these people who make atheism the cornerstone of their identity, especially the faggots out there that use it as part of their screen name?
>>70305604
>went to baptist school
>worldview class was taught by ex atheist
>Close friends with well educated atheist
We occasionally have Q&A's with each other just for the sake of understanding the other and fulfilling the curiosity of what and why. Too many atheist/religious people get fucking heated for no reason. It typically means their belief, or lack of, stems from something other than choice. As stated before, a lot of atheists had daddy problems (God being our father, YOURE NOT MY REAL DAD REEEE!) and a lot of Christians are rice Christians or simply out of fear of what happens after dead
Tfw not religious
Tfw have no idea what I am
Tfw I know nothing
>>70304464
Kierkergaard was a hack.
Read some Stirner and find nothing
>>70305664
Logic is man made rules. It's 4:30 a.m. and I'm about to call it a night. Look into the watchmaker argument, God's Boulder, and there's one other one that I can't quite remember, has something to do with existing without a creator. All of the arguments have been won and lost for both sides; it all basically dumbs down to anyone with an iota of sense simply agrees to disagree and goes on with their life
>>70305519
>atheists are totally impossible of forcing or proselytizing their non-belief on others
shut up faggot
>>70305519
>They don't.
Yeah they do.
>Wow a bus message targeted at opressed muslims in a country where the majority of the populace is atheist! A BUS MESSAGE can you imagine that! that level of activism from 60% of the population.
Butthurt detected. You upset because it shows that you're wrong?
>The bible tells you to respect the law, why are you mad at atheists forcing you to be a good christian?
I don't respect evil laws.
>>70303022
God is a faggot, I'd punch him in his fucking mouth, and he wouldn't do anything about it because why would he even care if he was God. God exemplifies everything /pol/ would call a cuck, because he just doesn't give a shit. Shits are beneath him(it.)
>>70304498
yup, atheism is a religion itself in America
>>70306022
>God is a faggot, I'd punch him in his fucking mouth,
>a fucking leaf
You'd say sorry and that's all.
>>70304842
>Trying to impose their views on others eg trying to ban birth control for everyone.
You replied to me. I'm an atheist. It is absolutely outrageous to try to force religious people to pay for contraceptives, especially female birth control. If women want to be sluts and whores under the idea of "empowerment", can they fund their own degeneracy? Trying to force religious people to pay for female birth control is a direct violation of their human rights, and constitutional rights in the U.S.
>>70305665
Burden of proof, logical debate rules are easy to manipulate. God is being addressed as an entity, not a phenomenon (reincarnation). Wording is everything. "A higher being, these beings some people refer to as God, do not exist and therefore, I don't believe in it." Addresses without acknowledging but then has the chore of burden of proof. It's a pain in the ass for both participants if they know what they're talking about
>>70305950
>You upset because it shows that you're wrong?
It shows than even when atheists are a majority the "atheists activism" you keep bitching about is negligible, you bitching about atheism is like a muslim bitching about "christian terrorism" hypocrisy
>>70305949
Proofs this happens at a scale comparable to religious proselytizing?
>>70306227
Not really, no.
It shows that there is atheist activism. This is one thing of many. Now stop being so butthurt.
>>70306227
Scale doesn't somehow make it justified. >We do it too, but not as much, so it isn't as bad, therefore it's acceptable.
>only shot him with 2 bullets but the other guy shot him with 3, he's worse
No
>>70306180
alright, replace "reincarnation" with "Santa Clause"
>>70306227
>Proofs this happens at a scale comparable to religious proselytizing?
>every fedora faggot tier thread on every social media platform ever
lol
>>70305416
>is a stupid cuck with patriarchal issues.
Do you mind explaining what you meant by that?
>>70303022
religion is literally delusional
>>70303022
dam son, that's some pretty good b8
>>70306571
Try Flying Spaghetti Monster. People straight up debated its existence and won. Look into it rather than running drills on me that I haven't touched in 5+ years and am running on rust.
>>70306649
Holy balls, see >>70305805, addressed it there near the bottom. It's the standard issue answer that covers most cases, it's a statistic, but can't be bothered to do research for those who don't do it themselves. Give and take
>>70303867
You can do better than that leafbro
>>70306878
well you cant proof that it exist or not.. so it cannot really win or loos
>>70306048
I don't know what atheists you deal with but I was atheist long long before youtube or knowing about Dawkins or any of that.
Atheism to me is not being part of any religion. It is the default any born human is. To be religious you have to chose to be illogical by believing something without proof. For me I just can't believe any religion they all spout the same bullshit: believe them, but every other religion is lying. Yeah totally YOUR specific religion seems to be very believable while all other religions are totally just lying.
>>70307083
Please tell me you're literate and actually read your way down the page.
f you're not familiar with logic or proper debate beyond what you see on tv and who can tell the loudest, move on.
this has nearly all the basic arguments compiled with a conclusion at the end, go nuts:
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/component/content/article?id=137
>>70307118
A belief in disbelief is still a belief. Collect a large portion of people that share this and it sounds awfully close to being a religion. Assuming we're speaking of your average atheist doing what seems to be trendy
>>70307616
>A belief in disbelief is still a belief.
This. Atheists, especially the really annoying ones, ae exactly like religious fanatics. "You MUST BELIEVE what I believe, or you are an idiot!"
Pretty much what I said here. >>70305717
Anyone who makes atheism as part of their identity, ESPECIALLY idiots that use it as a screen name, are just as bad as the religious nuts they criticize. Or worse.
>>70307616
Again I don't know what people you talk to but people being atheist is not just a pick up whatever type thing. Every atheist I've ever talked to has spent a long time thinking about it. None have ever said they know there is no god. None have ever said they know without a doubt they know what is the truth of everything. They all just don't subscribe to any religion. Religions are all based on faith, but which one do you chose? You don't know what the truth is in the universe, why bother picking a religion if you're not going to believe anything about it? If you pick a religion based on preference, that still isn't closer to truth. Truth doesn't care what you think, what you prefer. So I, and many other atheists, don't drink any religion's cool aid.
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is a constant decision back by logic to say, "Fuck the church, and fuck you mom! I don't have time for that shit!" when it's not supposed to answer anything, it's supposed to spiritually guide you.
You may be more intelligent, but your spirit has died.
>>70307846
It generally helps to have an education on the matter, self-taught or otherwise, rather than parroting what your buddies say, as if it ever held any water to begin with. Dismissal is the average atheists best friend. Matter of fact, it is the core of their entire belief disbelief system
>>70304476
I talk about christians, in the same manner as muslims, when their retardation infringes on my liberty.
Not my fault it's literally all the time.
>>70307616
You absolute ignoramous. A typical recipient of American education.
>>70303022
I'm more prone to belief you changed your mind to fit on /pol/ and got meme'd into Christianity like meme'd into being a brony.
>>70303270
Tell people you don't believe what they do and watch the absolute shit flinging you'll get from them, even if you do it in the nicest, most polite way possible. Or that you spent years being one of them and watching how they took their religion half-seriously when it came to their own sins but kept uppity about yours.
A lot of ex-Christian atheists experienced abuse too, physically, mentally, emotionally... Christfags love to use Jesus as an excuse to get drunk and beat their kids for some reason.
I think it's a phase too. We're you're new to atheism their usually is a lot of anger, you're hot off the emotional steam that set off the logical machine needed to leave the fold. There are a lot of bitter emotions left. Over time it subsides.
First it's angry atheism, then it's apathetic atheism.
>>70308106
It's not really that at all. Not to me.
See, I don't care if you're a religious person or an atheist. It's only when you have to slap it around in other people's faces and act like they're lesser or you're better just because of what you believe in, that's what pisses me off.
And it happens with both religious people and atheists, all the time. One ain't really better than the other in any way, shape, or form.
>>70308051
From my behavior, I clearly am not the most devout. From what I learned in world views, I align with a humanistic deist. Belief is as follows, God made us, we fucked up, took a step back, leaves us to our own devices, no divine intervention...shit would have to break the entire plain of existence but hey whatever, and judges us upon death. I do believe good deeds gets you to heaven, some share this, some don't. I don't "talk" to the kinds of atheists, which are very common around here in Houston, that have no idea what they're talking about other than being an echo.
Wether you're puzzled by my choices in beliefs really doesn't mean a damn to me, just saw that the majority of this conversation didn't ride on personal attacks so I entertained it. Supernaturalism is naturally illogical. I believe simply because I choose to, people who feel like I'm obligated to give a 12 point presentation as to why can swish my cum in their mouth. Like I said, anyone with any sense typically just dumbs down to agreeing to disagree but never hurts to gain knowledge on the subject.
>>70308061
You think it's easy? You think atheists chose to not follow religion because they feel like it? You can't help what you believe. If you sit and think about religion for a long time you come across inconsistencies. Things just don't make sense. What about the thousands of other religions with different ideas? Each one contradicting another religion. Are they all misguided? Are they all wrong except one? Which one is true?
I can go on forever. The thing is it would be so easy to just never think about these things. It would be easy to "know" that if I live a good life I will go to heaven. But belief is not something easily swayed. Trust me I've had long long discussions with friends who are religious. All sorts of different beliefs and ideas.
You religious people who assume people who don't follow religions are all just edgelords but in most cases you are wrong.
>>70303022
>left the church at 18
>he didnt have enough will power or conviction to do it years earlier.
>>70308106
Well, yes. But if an arguement is uncircumstanced you dismiss it.
If i told you that say idk. The earth is flat because i read it in a book somewhere. Would you not just dismiss my arguement?
The thing with relgieon, and im not trying to hate or whatever. Is it's not like it follows and model of arguement. The bible doesn't follow a rational state of nature model or anything. It doesn't use the scientific method or test hypothesis. It's not peer reviewed. It's just appealing to it's own authority. How would you counter that with anything but dismissal?
>>70308298
>Christians infringe on my liberty all the time.
Well, leaf, it really looks like your country has a lot more to fear from the other major religion in your country, honestly; Feminism.
But if Christianity does this to you all the time, you must be surrounded by some pretty fucking extremist Christians. Most of them don't really go out of their way to go infringe on rights.
>>70308341
>Provides no actual rebuttal to just basic common sense and common logic
Move along
>>70303022
good. atheism will not save you.
>>70308549
It's not a common occurrence that someone actually does circumstate it. Average dude doesn't know any kind of counter to it than I don't believe, so it isn't real, or something along those lines. It's a cop out rather than a rebuttal.
>>70308494
>You can't help what you believe.
This is what it boils down to, for me as well.
I would honestly LOVE to be religious, would LOVE to know that there is an afterlife, that someone is looking over me, protecting me, to have a community of people that I can be with and depend upon.
Having that kind of belief, like many religious people do, it's something that I can't really look DOWN upon, because it's something that I can't achieve, and something I really do want.
>>70308523
Not op. But to be fair the bible is a tough read and it takes a lot of independent research in hebrew scholars and whatnot to actually fully understand it, and at least for me growing up christian that was the only way to accept what you are told to be truefacts your whole life is bullshit. Without an understanding of the bible you can just rationalize everything. "its a metaphor" "god doesn't hate gay!" and then shit like telling some dude to kill his own son and then being like lol its just a prank bro. Is way douchier when you can actually understand the writing.
>>70308061
>it's supposed to spiritually guide you.
atheism rejects the concept of spirituality altogether. this is exactly why atheists are faggots.
>>70308549
Also, scripture cannot be passed in a debate. People who argue with scripture are no different than atheists who argue with dismissal
>>70308676
Its religion the world needs saving from.
>>70306878
> makes up fake debate rules
> uses fake debate rules to carefully pick apart the wording of a sentence he made up
> thinks a youtube video of college kids yelling at each other in the quad is a genuine academic debate
>>70308740
Look, anyone who wants something makes an effort for it. If you don't crave that belief system on a subconscious level, it remains a nice passing thought that you will never act on. Got to genuinely love it, not every Christian is a church going bible thumper and not every atheist is an ignorant chode
>>70308788
kek you wish
>>70308494
>What about the thousands of other religions with different ideas? Each one contradicting another religion. Are they all misguided? Are they all wrong except one?
This in itself proves they are all false. If there was a true religion it would share the same features through the entire world.
Religions are man made, to control weak minded superstitious people. It still works even today, people would laugh at African tribes people believing in voodoo, but then go on to believe in communion the body of christ and all that crazy stuff.
>>70308740
I know this board jokes around about being red pilled but that's exactly what atheism is. You get red pilled, you see through all these religions making all these grand statements and dogmas with no substance.
>>70308571
Says the country that literally needed the supreme court to fucking let fags marry each other. Some states still have Sodomy as a crime fyi.
Anyway i assure you i am just as vocal on feminists if not more. This is /pol/ afterall dunno why youd assume otherwise?
>>70308719
To be fair there is usually nothing to rebutt, i get your point and I agree it's retarded that most people can't make a coherent arguement one way or the other, sure its a cop out to a real arguement.
But if i said to you vaccines cause autism. That's a possitive statement. The onus is on me to prove it. Not you to rebutt. Most christians never put forward a valid arguement for god in the first place like I said. Leaving nothing to rebutt.
>>70303022
good to see you have found the true path inshallah brother
allah is truley great
>>70303022
HE'S SURELY ALIVE
HE'S LIVING ON THE INSIDE
ROARING LIKE A LION
>>70308855
Educate yourself
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html
Return when you get it, this shit is stickies on the front page btw, or don't spout off further nonsense regarding the matter. Not once watched a YouTube video of a existence debate
>>70303022
>'my life is better now'
>he's on 4chan
0/10 OP
>>70309101
Right, and that's what I mean. There's nothing terribly discernible between the two parties other than belief systems for the common (dis)believer. Burden of proof is not something most people know how to deal with and start screeching scripture as if it has weight. It's annoying to watch
>>70309072
Literally couldn't even understand your grammar in that post
op if only you knew how big of a fucking faggot you are it would blow your mind.
you are a retard, a pseudo muslim, a cancer on the face of humanity and society.
>>70309336
Here's the thing though. It's literally impossible to frame an arguement for god based on the bible or qu'ran. I don't know shit about other religeons, maybe Buddhism can do so, i don't know not something i've delved into.
But my point is the bible gives you no leg to stand on.
And it's clear the onus does not stand on the atheist to disprove the outlandish claim. Like i said. If i say autism causes cancer i have to go out and make a valid case it does. You don't have to disprove it. And i couldn't cite miracles from an unaccredited nom reviewed couple thousand year old book anymore than i could little red riding hood. So what i am saying is for Christianity it is physically impossible to make the case, logically. The case against if you want to reverse burden of proof can start by saying how the bible is scientifically anwf historically innacurate based on mans understanding of the origin of human life, the age of the earth, no great flood. Which can be counter by saying its a metaphor but all that does is write off a bunch of your canon as Admittedly false. Now you can't argue against gravity or the buoyancy of humans stating jesus walks on water because miracles.
tl;dr you are trying to prove an entity exists by making an appeal to authority to that entity. Thus the case for the bible is physically impossible. The case against it is not.
>>70309413
Assuming it was mine, link didn't post, so it looked like botched nonsense. Half of the debate is rhetoric, so yes, picking apart sentences is part of the game
>>70308932
How do you make an effort to believe something you don't believe, though?
Just chant to yourself, "I believe," over and over until you get brainwashed or something?
>>70303022
>shit that never happened: the thread
made me reply/10
>>70309627
>he thinks God is a physical entity
fucking idiot
>>70309829
The first thing we were taught in these arguments is that we cannot use scripture for the exact reason as to which you've stated. I don't even believe in the bible.
>written by man
>man imperfect
>bible therefore imperfect
>cannot be infallible word of perfect being if imperfect
>no amount of divine whisperings changes that if God himself didn't write it without any kind of proxy
>easily lost in translation over centuries as icing
The good book is exactly that, it's a good book with good morals and teachings but shouldn't be viewed as perfect. The religion made the bible, the bible didn't make the religion, it's a recording of events, not the direct word of God and is completely subjective reading material that is interpreted by one's own beliefs. It's arbitrary, give the same passage to every pastor on the earth and you likely won't get a repeated interpretation. Don't understand people's disconnect
>>70309101
>Says the country that literally needed the supreme court to fucking let fags marry each other. Some states still have Sodomy as a crime fyi.
This is not "Christians infringing on my rights all the time."
And no, I don't see marriage as some "right." What's different now that they can legally marry versus before?
>I'm a Christian
No you're American, a westerner. Westerners are godless.
>>70303022
Movies like these reminds me why I left Protestantism
>>70310020
Desire. You can't make yourself do or believe anything you subconsciously don't want to do or believe. Instinctive response: if you don't have a primal desire for something, the likelihood of pursuit is small. This can change with time and experience. If you choose to go after it in the future, then you will, you don't, you won't, it's weird but equally simple. You can't really lie to yourself, on a surface level yes, beyond that, no. We all know the feeling of desire that you can't ignore and must act on
>>70308571
Feminism has ruined western civilization. Men are expected to uphold chivalry as well as agree with feminism 100 percent. Yeah, we are totally fucked. But it's a problem for all of western civilization. Any man in this moment who thinks that Christianity oppresses them more than the feminism/chivalry combo is just a cucked nu-male.
>>70310447
Chivalry goes hand in hand with schovanism, which is against everything feminist. They're fucking idiots
>>70310245
A ban based on religious beliefs on the majority imposed on the minority was lifted for a start?
>>70310210
Yes,i'll ignore starting an arguement about how its a shit book with mixed teachings, but we are on the same page. The bible is complete bullshit. So, thusfore god as described in said book does not exist. Any arguement passed that is futile, no arguement can really be made. I'd love to find a religeon that had arguements based on rationality as tight as hobbes for their deity though, probably more likely then finding science for or to the contrary.
>>70310391
I don't know, Anon. Maybe I'm just too stupid to get it, or maybe I don't desire it enough, like you say. I'd like to believe, but maybe not enough.
>>70310447
>Feminism has ruined western civilization.
Boy howdy has it.
I don't even know how to act in society anymore, I swear. And it's not really the women feminists, but rather a combination of both the male and female ones.
Even as much an anarchist state as it would be, I can't wait for the day /pol/ makes its own country.
>>70310658
>A ban based on religious beliefs on the majority imposed on the minority was lifted for a start?
Wooo, yay. Now what has actually changed?
Did faggots not fuck each other in the butt before this? No fudge-packers making brownies?
Seriously, you're acting like it was some great accomplishment, but nothing has changed.
>>70310722
You must suffer seriously low self confidence. Sure ignorance is bliss, but to blame yourself for not being ignorant is moronic.
>>70304103
Look into Objectivism, all the morality without the mysticism and no altruism, which doesn't mean "being nice to people" it means "living your life in the eyes of other people/for the sake of other people" which leads to everyone copying off each other, trying to fit in, shun other's out of the collective group to look better in the group etc.
It's about being rationally self-interested which is basically "logical to be moral" too. You're better served treating people with kindness then hostility in normal situations, you can do that and still look out for yourself too.
>>70310722
Lied to myself on a daily basis as to how bad I wanted a chemical engineering degree. Really gave no fucks about it because I really had no interest in it, but I really want it says the voice that I force into my head trying to somehow make myself believe because I thought it to myself. I really like working with my hands, found welding to be pretty fucking cool, so now I weld
>>70310872
>You must suffer seriously low self confidence.
Yeah, I think I do, honestly.
>>70310872
>to blame yourself for not being ignorant is moronic.
Maybe. I mean, yeah, when you put it like that, it sure sounds pretty logical. But even knowing that, I still see these Christian communities with people smiling, getting along, helping each other, "knowing" that someone is watching over them, "knowing" that they will have eternal life...
It sounds like I'm just being a faggot, I know, but sometimes I want to take the blue pill.
>>70305337
That's actually not a bad way of looking at it.
Evangelicalism is the Facebook of Christianity.
>>70310851
Fuck yeah man. Lets just enact sharia too, as long as not much changes its totally cool to make the liberty craving minority subjected to your religeon.
I don't believe straight people should be allowed to be married, probably won't greatly alter society so no big deal that we enact this right? My basis for it? Read it in a 2000 year old book, not it didnt make an arguement. Jusf said it was so. No i don't care that you believe in the book. Seperatation of church..? No uh its tradition not religion!
>>70310968
So... what? You ultimately didn't really change how you believed, did ya?
>>70310872
>>70310932
This. Agreeing with other anon on the matter. Your second sentence alone showed that you probably have problems being who you are but would feel objectively wrk g if you just went with it. Do your thing, believe what you want, etc. someone has something to say about it, tell 'em to fuck off. Say it enough times and you'll get used to it
>>70310722
>>70311045
That guy is just deflecting. We have a serious problem with feminism and nobody wants to stand up to it. Lots of guys have confidence issues, that's what happens when you prop up women as the superior gender for a few decades at the expense of young men, and then still expect us to be "real men" at the end of the day.
I have to say, /pol/ 2016 is very different from /pol/ 2013-2014. Back in 2013-2014, the slightest disagreement with a Christian had numerous people spamming fedora memes at you. Now, /pol/ is full of degeneracy, and secularists and anti-theists that are shitting up the board. But oh well. Things change, never for the better though.
>>70311045
Nah man just work in your confidence and it will go away.
I have the opposite problem. Hard to not view them as complete fucking idiots sometimes, and thusfore lesser.
>>70311160
>Fuck yeah man. Lets just enact sharia too
What a way to get "let's enact Sharia law" out of "so what exactly has changed with SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage."
You're seriously being a complete idiot on this. If you really thought something has changed with faggots being allowed to marry, then surely you will have a real answer.
>>70311160
you're implying that the statements in the Bible are arbitrary
you don't have to be a believer in God to know that 2 faggots getting "married" is retarded, and homo sex is degenerate
>>70305416
What about, "It* doesn't exist, therefore I don't believe in 'God'"?
*(Yes "It" because God has no use for a penis. Why does everyone assume he has one? It doesn't need to reproduce, it doesn't need to pee. So it has no use for one. And I'm not approaching that from some SJW shit about genders, this just makes logical sense to me. It seems more appropriate than he.)
>>70311167
Nope, even after desperately trying to convince myself that it was what I wanted, I didn't want it and couldn't be bothered. Forcing that on yourself is like trying to make a flightless animal, aside from humans, take flight. Not only is if not going to fly, it's incapable, and does a much better job of running instead
>>70303270
The same reason redpills are so angry
>>70311309
>what exactly changed from the scotus ruling on gay marriage.
Well gays can no get married in all 50 states you fucking retard.
I don't care if it doesn't impact society. Then you should for it, if anything as a supporter of liberty. Mind you republicans just use this as a buzzword these days, don't really give a fuck. Just use it to attack dems when they are Admittedly worse on the issue
>>70311312
You do acknowledge that "retarded" anf "degenerate" are not arguements to advocate a ban on something right?
>>70311266
Narcissism, not a bad thing honestly if handled right. Breeds confidence, has charisma, easy to lose track of though. More people aren't even aware they are.. I used to be this low confidence, anxiety ridden mess, that was also a heavy duty narcissist without having realized it yet. It's like crossing the streams, did not compute, chaos
>>70311498
we ban murder. we ban all sorts of things that are retarded and degenerate
we ban people sticking heroin needles in the eyes of babies, for example
homosexuality literally poisons the planet, not just in terms of crippling disease and death, but in terms of the balance of society
>>70305717
The kind of militant atheists you described, to me as an atheist, I think they're atheists because they're copying off what other smarter people do. It's not a conclusion they reached on their own rather than some part of package they downloaded from somewhere else.
So "arguing" with people is a way of trying to prove how smart they are -- which is the goal in the first place.
>>70311350
"It" is the more proper term, yes. Addressed as he by those who believe because he is the father. No other reason beyond that to be honest
>>70307616
atheism is a lack of belief in gods. it does not say anything about any other position you have. you can be an atheist and still belive in all kinds of stupid shit like ghosts or astrology. also there are religious atheists, like some forms of buddhism are atheist, because they do not belive in a god, but still belive in other higher power stuff.
Daily reminder that atheists actually believe our ancestors emerged spontaneously from a soup.
>>70311498
>Well gays can no get married in all 50 states you fucking retard.
But what actually CHANGED?
"Liberty" has nothing to do with what the government recognizes you as, you fucking moron. If you are a gay couple, then you are a gay couple.
Being recognized by the government as a gay couple doesn't change shit.
Do you get it, yet?
"Gay Marriage for all" has fuck all to do with liberty and rights.
>>70303022
wow you sure convinced me
stupid faggot
>>70311657
>I don't understand basic evolution and biochemistry
>therefore it's all wrong
These people are the scientific equivalents of dindus.
>>70311639
Believing in supernaturalism, ghosts as you said, while not believing in God, is another supernatural being, is illogical and attacks their entire foundation. Does it make them obligated to believe, no of course not, but it defeats the entire premise
>>70311589
>we ban murder. we ban all sorts of things that are retarded and degenerate
Um you do know murder isn't criminal because it's "retarded and degenerate" right?
>we ban people sticking heroin needles in the eyes of babies, for example
Same thing.
>homosexuality literally poisons the planet, not just in terms of crippling disease and death, but in terms of the balance of society
Neither of these statements are true unfortunately.
Anyway im going to bed. I can't stand feelings based arguements.
My advice though. Read some social contract theory particularly something with a state of nature model. Nothing to do with gays, you should just probably learn why murder is actually illegal.
>>70311595
I don't really think so, to be honest. Just because they're militant, even if they're that way because they see it as "cool" or "edgy" or whatever, it doesn't mean that they don't honestly believe it.
With anything else, I'd actually probably agree with you. Being a faggot, being Wiccan, being anything else that's trendy, I could see "they're just trying to go with the trend" as being a valid point. I can't really say why I think differently of atheism, so maybe I'm totally wrong about it, heh.
this seems like a good place to put this:
the words of his holiness the pope (i am not a deist), this is why we need god
"As for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family."
fags rekt
>>70311657
>a Fuckin leaf
>>70311661
All marriage honestly does is make you legally entitled to tax benefits. That's it. Symbolic marriage off the legal books was always an option
>>70303022
You are a cuck, fucking christcuck go drown your newborn while baptizing your little degenerate.
>>70311794
why do we ban murder then?
bear in mind, from your point of view, the soul isn't a real thing, and that we're just a clump of cells from an explosion of nothing
>>70303022
nice blog
>>70311787
Atheists are people as well, and the majority of people are stupid. go figure.
If you need a god it's because you are weak minded. You don't realize you are the god of your life. This is some inferiority complex that is pushed to enslave you.
There is nothing natural in believing in some supernatural entity guiding your life. It's just a mental trick to help you dealing with your life because you still need a daddy.
Religion is a mental disorder that became mainstream. Atheist is a word invented by religious people to have someone to fight and if you claim being an atheist you just helping the autism to spread. You don't help the world with prayers but you certainly do by getting rid of your daddy issues.
>>70311981
>hoe
>>70312013
Considered taboo because enough people all came to the same consensus that it's bad and shouldn't happen. This is intro sociology
>>70311927
To be perfectly honest, I think that "legal marriage" shouldn't exist. People are very right when they say the government should have no say in marriage, but that extends to not being involved with it at all.
If they want to make the "sexuality" argument, what about asexuals? They are discriminated against with tax benefits because of their sexual preference, neh?
Not that I particularly care one way or the other.
>>70308051
Ah, yes. I call this the Eternal Truth. The Eternal Truth is the objective universe we all share, everything that's true no matter what we think about it, like gravity. Some of us know different parts of the Eternal Truth, but the universe is so vast and there is so much knowledge that no one person can totally know the truth of everything simply because of physical limitations in information gathering. Example, a doctor knows a lot about medicine and the body, but he may no nothing about something geology, minerals and how the Earth is formed. A geologist might know these things, but he doesn't know as much about the body and how it works like the doctor. Both aren't wrong, they just know their areas of the truth.
It's like light speed, we can approach the Eternal Truth, but no one will ever reach it. Atheists are closer to the Eternal Truth, but like everyone else we'll never reach it and that's okay. The goal is to get as close as possible in your own lifetime.
>>70311981
Isn't the Netherlands like 10% sandnigger
Spotted one
>>70312071
Needing a God, I'd agree, the religion is filling the gap as a bandaid trying to make it a permanent solution instead of addressing the underlying issues.
Wanting to believe is something in its own and is simply choice. It provides no kind of feels to me, I believe because I want to without this expectation of some kind of benefit. I may very well go to hell anyway regardless of my belief just because I x or y that I did or didn't do
I'm no atheist, but I'm not religious. I was just never raised in a religious household. Am I scum?
>>70312013
Well... Since i can't sleep. Rational self interest in a sense. You see, most people don't want to die. Having said that, all humans have relative ability to kill each other. Thus in a stateless society i have nice shit, you could theoretically kill me for that nice shit, so i am paranoid, this will lead to me eventually killing you to prevent you killing me, or vice versa as preemptive killing is the only solution, in essence creating chaos. Thus a social contract is needed to give a new entity known as government a legitimate monopoly on force as they can now protect our property rights and lives which is in our own rational self interests.
tl;dr murder is illegal cause its shit if it happens to you, and this might lead you to kill to protect your own life and property meaning society cannot prosper. It's not rocket science you are infringing my ability to live.
Or yenno cause killing is degenerate.
>>70303022
Christian Church love child so much !!!
At 22 you can be Athiests.
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>>70311246
Yeah the fedora meme proved a lot. It proved how desperate Christians are, how they're willing to use sexual/emotional manipulation as a form of argument and how as always, the harder they push to shame people for not agreeing with them it always, always backfires.
>>70312375
Yes.
>>70312375
You're an atheist. Anti-theist, one who does not believe in theism or its existence, i.e. gods. The definition at its most raw, people have put a whole new spin on what it means to be atheist these days
>>70311637
The reason is because it says so in the Bible and that's it. Best argument I heard was Adam was created in "his" image and Adam is a male so that makes God already a male...
But you know what? I like God being an It better. Gender implies reproduction, which implies sexual thoughts/etc and this Creator-Thing doesn't have use for those. It feels more like something above us where "He" feels more like a giant oversized human with typical human flaws like the ones God has in the Bible, being wrathful, petty and jealous like a normal human.
It-God seems to be above all that. It's not human, it doesn't feel or think like a human. That would make more sense on the scale they claim God operates.
>>70311661
Marriage is just a legal contract. You are preventing two dudes from entering a contract that a dude and a women can solely on relgious grounds. Its not the "state recognizing it" try telling the taxman that you truly love each other so much it's legit or someshit
>>70312507
I want to believe something's there, I honestly do. But something's preventing me from doing that. I'm not an atheist. Atheists believe nothing's up there and there's proof. I'm thinking that there might be someone, but they're not as pronounced as God. Like we were a science experiment that everyone forgot about. I'm an agnostic theist.
>>70312677
Could be a fuzzy ball of light for all we know. Giving shape and a gender makes it easier to work with is all it really comes down to. Provides imagery for the illiterate, a spoken picture book
>>70303022
Welcome back. I am so thankful God is loving and merciful and never hesitates to bring lost ones back to His flock.
>>70311809
That's fine, I'm just basing this off the atheists I know in real life, their seems to be a solid split between atheists because they came to their own conclusion and atheists who are atheists because they have an account on reddit and that's what other liberals are. A lot of women fit into this latter category.
>>70312718
then yeah, if you're following the "maybe there is a god but I'm not sure," you're an agnostic
>>70312227
The world is the biggest roleplaying game. So yeah do what you want nothing really matters.
What's gear grinding is when people make noises. Arguing about their roleplay. This is pointless and too many people get memed and believe they need to tell their truth. Here again if you need to people to agree with you, you have a mental problem and lack confidence. While humanity could be wise and taking care of itself, it lost itself in pointless arguing about fantasy.
>>70303370
>>70303418
>Malaysia comic faggot using a proxy
Are you still doing Christ chan?
>>70303022
>YOU'RE AN ATHEIST BECAUSE YOU HATE GOD AND PROBABLY GOT CALLED A QUEER BY YOUR DAD A LOT
Movie was actually pretty funny t bh fa m
A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.
”How old is this rock, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”
”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
>>70312938
Keeps the mind from going idle to be honest, keeps the curiosity of what things may be after death. What if we find out there is no deity, or that it's Shiva instead of God, etc. keeps the mind stimulated. I'm up for discussion of beliefs but people arguing why you're wrong and they're right therefore you have to believe me is fucking dumb
>>70313024
Kek
>>70313024
Best short story ever
>>70304842
Where is scientology?
>>70313024
What happened to the rock, Finland-kun?
>>70313024
GOD'S NOT DEAD HE IS TRULY ALIVE
>>70313024
10/10 true story
>>70303022
Gods alive confirmed!!
ahhhaaahahahahaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaAahhhhaaaaaahhhgaaaaa. you FAIL.
